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The Pylon is Impact 89FM's podcast all about the NFL.
Alright. Welcome back to the December third edition of the Pylon on Impact eighty nine FM. I'm your host, Jack David, alongside my two cohosts for now. We will have our third one coming in here in a little bit, and then we will have and then our other one, Cooper, will not make it today. It is approaching finals week here at Michigan State, so we are all freaking out in our own little ways, but let's talk some ball.
Speaker 1:How are you guys doing? I don't know. Going.
Speaker 2:How am I doing? It it it yeah.
Speaker 1:We're going.
Speaker 2:Yeah. We're here. You know, I think right now being alive is a is a good enough blessing as it is because, you know, I'm, you know, I'm not dead, number one. Number two, I'm a Spartan. So, like, that's that's gotta be some points there.
Speaker 2:Big week for Sparta.
Speaker 3:Oh, big, big week for It's been a it's been
Speaker 2:a great, like, it's been a great, like, thirty six hours.
Speaker 3:It's been a great week. It's been a great couple days for for Sparta.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Like Josh mentioned Stop.
Speaker 3:I had to throw it in
Speaker 1:there once. Like Josh mentioned before the show, this is not a college football podcast, obviously not, but, you know, MSU hires Pat Fitzgerald, and then we immediate well, fires Jonathan Smith, hires Pat Fitzgerald immediately, and then the day after announces the billion dollar initiative to renovate every athletic thing on campus.
Speaker 2:Which they've already got a quarter of in the coffers. Yeah. How'd they keep that under wraps?
Speaker 1:We all were like, does m we all were like, MSU doesn't have money? Yeah. They have money, but they just
Speaker 3:They just didn't Hey.
Speaker 2:You know? And they're
Speaker 1:say we're saving it with Fitzgerald. They're not
Speaker 4:paying them that much.
Speaker 2:Yes. I believe that.
Speaker 3:I'm not a million.
Speaker 2:That so the majority of that Smith buyout was from a donor. Yes. I I wonder if they're ever gonna release who that is.
Speaker 1:There's there's an idea. We're not gonna say it,
Speaker 3:but there's Yeah. There's there's a couple ideas that I've heard from other people, but I don't know about you guys, but I just had my last day of classes.
Speaker 1:I also believe I just had my last day.
Speaker 4:I have two more days of classes.
Speaker 2:So excited. Do we have 04:03 tomorrow? Yes. We do have 04:03 tomorrow.
Speaker 1:Yes. In person.
Speaker 2:It's a like it's a final edit day.
Speaker 1:Never mind.
Speaker 3:Okay. So I'm done with classes.
Speaker 1:So I have
Speaker 2:I have two more dates.
Speaker 1:That's my last class. But let's get into some football here. I know I know we probably don't wanna talk much about
Speaker 4:our classes.
Speaker 2:Let's stop for right now. This is my this is my piece of solace. Agreed.
Speaker 1:I and I agree with that so much. This was brought up, I think, last week, how this is this recording is is, and for us, it's like the midway point of our
Speaker 2:weeks. Yes. And we're Oh, yeah. By the way, please do occupy with me this week. We haven't done it in, like, two weeks.
Speaker 3:Yes. I will. Okay. Tell me Sorry.
Speaker 4:What day?
Speaker 1:Well, another solace there. But, yeah, this is, our halfway points, and we're all student journalists, so we're very busy. So it's nice to come in here and talk some ball. And for talking ball today, we're gonna do a little contenders or pretenders. We are inching closer and closer to playoff time.
Speaker 1:Thanksgiving has come and gone. I didn't even ask you guys about your Thanksgivings. I hope they were. It was brutal. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Mean Lots of driving.
Speaker 2:It was cold.
Speaker 3:Lots of driving.
Speaker 1:Lots of cold. Lots of colds, other things. Lots of
Speaker 3:lots I was gonna say I've been sick this the past couple days.
Speaker 2:Lots of libations.
Speaker 1:Yes. There
Speaker 2:you go.
Speaker 1:But yeah. So Thanksgiving's come and gone. It's December now, and we are truly closing in on playoff time. So let's go through some of the teams in and out of both playoff pictures and ask the question, are they a contender, or are they a pretender? We'll start with four in the AFC.
Speaker 1:We'll have four at the NFC. We'll start with the AFC here. The Jacksonville Jaguars, are now currently eight and four after blowing out the titans and are third in the AFC with the lead in the AFC South. Contender or pretender?
Speaker 2:You're gonna have to start.
Speaker 1:This one's so interesting to me because I
Speaker 3:really all over the place.
Speaker 1:For so long, and I really just was on the boat of them being a pretender. I really thought that, but they're currently on a three game winning streak with a 29 win against the chargers. They beat the cards by three in Arizona, so that's a pretty solid win in overtime, and then they blow out the titans in Tennessee. It's Tennessee. They stink.
Speaker 1:But they're eight and four now. They kinda just still they kinda just defy all, like, football thought. Yes. Trevor's been bad. This is a first year head coach.
Speaker 1:It's not a very talented roster, and here they are first in the AFC on December 3. So I'm gonna I'm gonna say pretender. They're gonna make the playoffs, and they I think they're gonna get a bounce immediately, but what they've done is impressive.
Speaker 3:I think go ahead.
Speaker 2:Well, so I think we have to preface this. What do you think about the what do you think about the Texans?
Speaker 1:We will get into them.
Speaker 3:Yeah. As a little bit
Speaker 1:That's because that's could be a different answer. Important context when
Speaker 4:it
Speaker 2:comes to the civilians. I mean, they are divisional rivals, and they're even in as far as both the record and point scored in the season series. They the jaguars won their first meeting by seven, and then the Texans won their second meeting by seven. So, like, I I don't know. I mean, splitting series with a team that's also very good, maybe the best defense in in the AFC.
Speaker 2:I I don't know how you guys feel about that, but I think that the Jaguars have a good chance, to make some noise in the playoffs. I think that now it's just about consistency and not falling off the wagon while you're, you know, while you're headed to a good spot. I think they've got it. The highs are high enough to get them somewhere. I don't know exactly where that is, but the lows, you know, I mean, losing to or beating only the the Raiders only by one, I guess, losing to the Bengals in the September.
Speaker 2:That was was that before the Burrow injury?
Speaker 3:That was No. That was After the Burrow. Was it? I can't remember.
Speaker 2:I think that was after the Burrow injury.
Speaker 1:Because Burrow got hurt Early. Immediately.
Speaker 3:I I it was But was it the first two?
Speaker 2:It was week two.
Speaker 1:Yeah. That's tough to say. But either with or without Burrow, I still think that's that's a fine win. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I I just think that, you know, you should probably beat or you should probably score more points against the Bengals. 27 to me just doesn't seem like enough for a playoff team with how bad the Bengals offense has been.
Speaker 1:It's not. Bengals offense.
Speaker 2:Or sorry. Bengals defense.
Speaker 4:I was
Speaker 3:just saying Bengals offense is the only reason that they're
Speaker 2:kinda My fault.
Speaker 1:My fault. And, actually, like, we can kinda have a free form conversation because three of my four contenders or pretenders are in the AFC South. This this entire division is so interesting right now because you have the Jags, the Colts, and the Texans all right there, all within the all within, you know, playoff reach, all within division reach. So who's gonna win? I said the Jags might win.
Speaker 1:Might honestly retract that because Houston has been on fire recently. They've won the last, you know, last four games. They have won the last seven out of nine. So, yeah, they've just been chugging along here that defense best scoring wise best in the league. So I definitely think they're the Texans are a contender for sure.
Speaker 3:Yeah. I agree. I think the really interesting thing when it comes to the Jaguars is they're doing this without their first their first round pick, Travis Hunter. I mean, they're doing this. It's just such a cluster of talent that it just make you questions like, how are they doing this?
Speaker 3:And I think it's ultimately coming down to how good Liam Cohen is. He's actually been as a coach. He's the offense hasn't looked as pretty. Brian Thomas has definitely take, I would say, a step back
Speaker 4:from what What
Speaker 1:are the bigger step backs from any rookie this year?
Speaker 3:Yeah. He's taken a step back. Travis ETN has been very good.
Speaker 2:Serviceable? Mhmm.
Speaker 1:I think serviceable is a
Speaker 3:Better word.
Speaker 1:Oh, yes.
Speaker 3:That's a better word than what I just used. So it's a really weird it's really weird, but I think out of all the teams, I'm gonna between the three teams in AFC South, I'm gonna say that this one's the pretender. The other two, I feel like, are especially the Texans, I feel, are more contenders.
Speaker 1:I think this is one of two pretenders currently in that division.
Speaker 3:Wow. I think we see a lot this Sunday when the Jags and the Colts play. I think that'll if the Colts can go on the road in Jacksonville and just scrape away with a win, I feel like that changes my mind a little bit. But I definitely think out of the three, I think the Texans are the ones that I would say are the most likely to be contenders.
Speaker 2:Well, alright. I think that the colts and the texans are both good enough to make the AFC championship. Do I think that they'll come out with it? Probably not. But, Jack, I feel like your your opinion on the colts also hinges on this texans game.
Speaker 1:I am out on the tech out on the Colts.
Speaker 2:Wow. So, I I mean When? Say alright. Alright. Walk with me here.
Speaker 2:Say the Colts walk into NRG Stadium and come out with a 28 win. What do you like, what do you what do you have to say about the Texans after that? Or what do you have to say about the Colts after that after beating the Texans pretty handily?
Speaker 1:Well, I think a big reason why I'm out on the Colts and I'm in on the Texans is how they have, you know, fared in this past month. So the context of, you know, the Colts beating the Texans would change my opinion on that, but they didn't. And you look at the Colts the past month, they have been one and three with losses to the Steelers, Chiefs, and Texans. Those losses to the Steelers and Chiefs don't look as good as they did in the moment. They had one win in November, and that was a, you know, overtime win against a depleted Falcons team across the pond.
Speaker 3:Okay. I was gonna say, I think that one was across the pond. Any win or loss in a foreign country is like
Speaker 1:It's kind of
Speaker 2:void. It counts for half.
Speaker 3:Yeah. It's like a half win, half loss.
Speaker 1:I don't I don't know. I know they have the firepower with Jonathan Taylor and Danny Dimes been playing well. Love Shane Steichen as their coach, but I don't know. I I have my reservations with them.
Speaker 2:Is it pumpkin season?
Speaker 1:Pumpkin. It might be pumpkin season. But, yeah, I mean, the Colts with even with everything I'm saying, they're still the best scoring offense in the NFL right now. They're six in passing yards, six in rush in rushing yards, third in overall touchdowns, first in yards per play. Like, those stats, you know, they speak for themselves, but they can't really defend the pass right now.
Speaker 1:Twenty seventh in the league can pass.
Speaker 2:I think you might need you might need to table this until they play their next, you know, divisional game.
Speaker 1:Like Yeah. Josh mentioned, on Sunday, they play they're in Jacksonville, and the Indianapolis says that's a that's a major game. That's a huge game. I believe
Speaker 3:Because the next the next
Speaker 1:are favored by a point and a half.
Speaker 3:The next two games after that for Indianapolis is at Seahawks and 49ers. Going to Seattle is the, honestly, one of the toughest places to go and get a win.
Speaker 2:I think if you if you if you're the Colts, you win two of the next three, there's really no question.
Speaker 3:Yeah. They're a contender. If they win two of the next three, I'd say they're a contender for sure, in my opinion.
Speaker 2:What's that face?
Speaker 1:Yeah. They make the playoffs, but I Alright.
Speaker 3:Alright. You because then that means that you've at least gone on the road and gotten a win in a place against a team that currently is in the playoff.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:That's true.
Speaker 2:I think I think, Jack, you need to you need to put your opinion on ice until January 4.
Speaker 1:Yeah. But my gosh. This five game stretch to end the year. It's tough. In Jacksonville, in Seattle hosting Sam Fran, you play Jacksonville again, Indianapolis, and then you gotta go to Houston.
Speaker 1:Meanwhile They gotta figure it out.
Speaker 2:Meanwhile, the the the Texans have a pretty easy stretch.
Speaker 1:They do.
Speaker 2:They have at the Chiefs this coming Sunday, at home against the Cardinals on the fourteenth. They take on the Raiders at home on the twenty first. The twenty eighth, they go to SoFi for the Chargers, and then they get the Colts at home on January 4. Do you think that game decides the division? Yes.
Speaker 2:I have to agree.
Speaker 1:Think it I think it end up well. Even though the Jags are currently have the lead, I don't think they'll maintain that lead. And you look
Speaker 2:This feels like a bears situation until this past, you know, this past week.
Speaker 1:Which Yeah. We will get to the Bears, guys. Don't worry, because that's like the story of the NFL right now.
Speaker 4:Oh, sadly.
Speaker 1:But, yeah, like, for Houston, I wouldn't be surprised if they go four and one in these these next five games.
Speaker 3:I'm really curious to see if they can get over that hump going into Kansas City on a Sunday night. They've struggled. I feel like I don't wanna say the same thing, but I feel like they've struggled more, especially when they're going on the road in the cold too. I mean, you play in Texas warm, you play in NRG Stadium. So, I mean, if they can go on the road and get a win against the Chiefs, I would definitely, hands down, say that Houston has got this in the bag.
Speaker 1:True. But the way they play with how, you know, defensive minded they are, I think it the Colt almost plays into that in a way. But Kansas City is gonna be in their element, and they need a win. They need a win badly.
Speaker 3:Or they're out.
Speaker 1:They are completely out.
Speaker 2:I do think though that the trajectories of these two teams are completely different. The Colts started extremely hot, and they have cooled off since. And the Texans, I mean, CJ Stroud looked like he didn't know what he was doing for the first couple weeks. But, you know, the defense absolutely caught fire. I mean, they're probably the hottest unit in the NFL.
Speaker 1:And you gotta give props to Davis Mills. Yes. Coming in when Stroud got hurt. And because what? Stroud got hurt in that Denver game.
Speaker 1:Right? That sounds right to me. Four and o with Davis as your well, three and o because Shroud came back last week. But, yeah, that's been and then wins, and those are wins against, you know, two good teams, you know, a seven point win against Jacksonville and then a four point win against Buffalo. So that's what's so interesting about this division is it's completely still up for grabs.
Speaker 1:I think it's the only division probably look around. But, yeah, it's as Will
Speaker 5:Shazzy There he
Speaker 1:is. Will, we're talking about the AFC South right now.
Speaker 4:The AFC South, low key the most interesting division currently in my opinion, if not for the AFC North.
Speaker 1:Well, there you go. So And that is a perfect segue into the
Speaker 2:next team
Speaker 4:too. That being said
Speaker 1:With that being said, we'll get into we'll we will get into the AFC North. We'll let will get settled in here. Out of the three AFC South teams before we move on, how many of them are contenders? How many of them are pretenders? I think there's one contender, the Texans, two pretenders, and the Jags and the Colts.
Speaker 2:Can I say one and a half?
Speaker 1:Or
Speaker 2:I I think the half is the Colts. If they can right the ship, if they can stop their slide they I mean, they've been on a slide recently. Yeah. And I agree. If they can, you know, revert course to where they were at the start of the year, I think that they could be formidable coming out of the AFC.
Speaker 2:But the Texans right now are on pace to win this division. Absolutely.
Speaker 3:I agree. I'm gonna go one and a half, two, and my answer is very indicative of what takes place on Sunday. If the colts go into Jacksonville and get a win, it's two.
Speaker 4:There you go.
Speaker 3:They lose, it goes down to one, in my opinion. I think it's really it really matters what happens because this Jacksonville team is just so I don't wanna say yo yo, but they're just so confusing at times because they don't have the star power on offense right now. The defense I mean, Leonard Floyd is Leonard Floyd, he's playing unbelievable. But if Indianapolis can go on the road and get a win in Jacksonville, I think that makes you I think that makes you contender, especially if they can control their destiny in the division and teams have to come to them. I think that makes a difference too.
Speaker 2:I like that. What about you, Will? I completely agree.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I know you're kind of you're kind of dialed out from
Speaker 2:this conversation. Here's Mike.
Speaker 4:Give me tapped in, host.
Speaker 1:What are we doing? Sorry. I don't have my headset on.
Speaker 4:Oh, there we go. Perfect. Okay.
Speaker 1:There we go. Yeah. So hear him. We're doing contenders to pretenders, talking about the AFC South. Out of the Jags, Colts, and Texans, which are contenders, which are the pretenders?
Speaker 4:I would say I would agree that the Texans are probably the most formidable at the moment. I think with the Colts, their season's been really interesting because, like, five weeks ago, we were talking about them being the most, like, well rounded team overall. But I think their schedule has kinda started to catch up to them. Like, we've gotten later into the season, and now they're starting to play those, like, interdivision games. They're starting to play, like, the Chiefs, like, these games that we would expect them to fight through, but now they're taking losses, and the Texans are starting to ramp up.
Speaker 4:Somehow, the Jaguars are at eight and four. I have no idea how that team is at the top of the division right now. They just haven't like
Speaker 2:Same way the Bears are. Completely different, but the
Speaker 4:Jag I'm kidding. Jags just haven't struck me. You know, they haven't really grabbed my attention yet, but now they're at the top. And if they could somehow beat the Colts on Sunday, then, I mean, they they might be not be one of the pretenders in this division. Like, they might actually come out and push something, but I I don't know.
Speaker 4:I agree with Josh though. It does come down to what happens on Sunday because if they can somehow slow down Jonathan Taylor and the Jags have been the Jags have actually been really good at forcing interceptions. Like, their defense has stepped up to a different level this year. And Daniel Jones, he's got whatever. He's got something wrong with his arm, his shoulder, or like his leg.
Speaker 4:I don't know. He has some injury that is preventing him from being as mobile as he can be at top.
Speaker 1:Yeah. He's got a broken leg. So he fractured his fibula, but has been playing through it.
Speaker 2:It's not a it's not a weight bearing bone. It certainly doesn't feel good.
Speaker 1:It can't be
Speaker 4:a weight bearing
Speaker 1:bone or he would not be able to play. Well,
Speaker 2:come on. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:But, yes, like, it's Before I saw I saw
Speaker 3:a stat today, and it was, since week nine, because we're going into week 14, and it's like the quarterbacks have thrown the most touchdowns. And somehow Trevor Lawrence over the last since week nine has thrown 10 touchdowns, I believe.
Speaker 4:I mean, tell me, like, read off some of their scores because I feel like they've also been putting up points recently.
Speaker 3:So since the Rams game, because we're not gonna talk about the Rams game because they got blown out at home.
Speaker 1:We will kinda talk about them here at the end.
Speaker 3:But Raiders, 30 to 29 win. Texans, 36 to 29 loss. 35 to six win over the chargers. 27, 24 win over the cardinals, and 25 to three victory over the Titans. That's their last five.
Speaker 4:So right. But something has to be going better with that offense than it was at the beginning of the season because now they're not only winning games, but they're putting up points. And if you have a defense that can also limit offenses and force turnovers, then that I mean, that's just like a recipe for being a contender for me personally.
Speaker 1:Completely fair. Any last comments on the AFC South before we move on to our last AFC team?
Speaker 2:I've got another.
Speaker 1:No. I'm good. Alright. Let's move on to the Ravens here. What a interesting team this has been.
Speaker 1:We obviously, you know, they were on that five and o streak before, you know, coming into the that Thanksgiving game, and they just threw up a stinker in Joe Burrow Joe Burrow's coming back game, win by 18. They only put up 14 points at home against that Cincinnati defense. So questions have to be, you know, raised about that offense, about that, you know maybe not so much that defense, but the question have to be raised about the head coach right now. I know Baltimore fans have raised questions about their head coach. Contender or pretender?
Speaker 1:Ravens.
Speaker 3:Pretender.
Speaker 4:Pretender.
Speaker 3:Look at their look at the wins that has taken place since that four game losing streak. They lost the lions, chiefs, texans, rams. Four, I would say, four of those teams have definitely been talked about in the playoff picture. Do I believe the first two are a playoff picture right now? No.
Speaker 3:But Texans and Rams definitely. Get a win against the Bears. At that time, Bears were we didn't know. We didn't know what the Bears could become.
Speaker 2:They let the they let the Bears show flashes.
Speaker 3:Yeah. At Dolphins. Dolphins are not amazing. At Vikings.
Speaker 2:L o l
Speaker 3:nine. Nine, not great.
Speaker 2:November 9, l o l nine.
Speaker 3:At browns browns jets jets and you lose on Thanksgiving to the Bengals. You still have to play the Steelers
Speaker 1:of both games that are that's gonna change everything. The if the Steelers win, they have, I believe, like, a 75% chance to make the playoffs. If the Ravens win, they have, like, a 71% chance to make the playoffs. So this is you know, along with their week 18 game, it's really this is gonna this is gonna decide the division. When it comes to the Ravens, I think they're pretenders.
Speaker 1:I think that entire division right now are pretenders.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Even the bank I because I'm not bought in on any of them. The Steelers, definitely not. The Ravens, they I like, they could definitely come out on Sunday and look good against Steelers, and, you know, all is all is forgiven. The Bengals, they're four and eight. Even with the the Flashes they showed in Thanksgiving, I don't think they're gonna be able to claw their way back into it.
Speaker 1:I don't I
Speaker 4:don't think it's too late at all actually. Like, they're only two games behind. They still play.
Speaker 1:They can They don't play the Steelers down. Only max out at nine wins. I think you're gonna have to be a 10 win team to make the playoffs.
Speaker 4:Okay. Well, I mean Well I was saying to win the division. Like, their only way in would be to win the division.
Speaker 3:10. There's still a mathematical way for the Pengals to win
Speaker 2:the division. Mathematically, a lot can happen, but True. Also.
Speaker 3:But back so the Ravens play Steelers this Sunday. They go on the road to Cincinnati. They play against the Patriots. They go on the road to the Packers, and they go on the road to the Steelers. And I real I really see them losing.
Speaker 3:They become an eight eight, nine loss ball club.
Speaker 4:And that's it. And, like, just to my point again, like, if the Bengals just somehow string some wins together right now, like, that division is still there just because the Ravens and SEALs are both sitting at six and six.
Speaker 1:Well, Yeah. If the Bengals go out here and they win the next two weeks, they go at Buffalo, that's a tall task. And
Speaker 3:then they host
Speaker 1:and they host Baltimore. If they win both those games, they're gonna be six and eight looking down the stretch at, you know, Miami, Arizona, and then Cleveland. Two of those games will be at home.
Speaker 4:And we know, like, the key to the key to NFL play out, you just have to get hot at the right time. And what better time to get hot than the final stretch of the season?
Speaker 3:If if if they win if they win if Bengals win on Sunday at Buffalo
Speaker 4:We're gonna we're gonna have to have conversation.
Speaker 3:With some uncomfortable conversations about somehow this defense may end up just doing enough.
Speaker 1:And just to, you know I'm just a
Speaker 4:big if.
Speaker 1:Just a big if. Just to solidify how much that defense sucks. Thirty second in opposing points per game, thirty second in opposing passing yards, thirty first in opposing rushing yards, thirty second in opposing touchdowns, thirtieth in thirtieth in sacks.
Speaker 4:And they just and they just did what they did to the
Speaker 1:Ravens on the team. To 14 at home.
Speaker 3:Thank you. Life's not real.
Speaker 4:But well, here's here's the biggest thing about the Ravens for me. The Ravens just always shoot themselves in the foot. Like, the Ravens will be the downfall of themselves.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, the it's, you know, coach speak or or, you know, we're we're talking about the coach, not the team itself, but, like, John Harbaugh has the most 10 chokes in NFL history.
Speaker 4:I mean, he's got to go.
Speaker 2:I feel like he's
Speaker 1:Might be a lot of coaching turn over in that division.
Speaker 4:I'm gonna say there might be all four
Speaker 3:there could be all four gone
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:In some alternate universe.
Speaker 2:Is there I mean, looking at the AFC North, like, whose whose seat is the coolest? Like Stefanski?
Speaker 1:Honestly, yeah. Stefanski. Stefanski.
Speaker 4:Okay. And the Browns are awful.
Speaker 2:Who has the hottest seat? I think it I think, honestly, the seat warmth goes in the the exact same order
Speaker 1:as the So Harbaugh, Tomlin, Taylor?
Speaker 4:Harbaugh is definitely up there, but I mean, Tomlin's close second. Did you see that like Ben Roethlisberger and a couple other players came out and said that it's time for him to go? I thought I've I mean, now it's not even just like the people saying it. It's his some of the best players
Speaker 1:he's ever coached. Me coming up on this podcast and just airing my grievances. This is, like, legit.
Speaker 4:Yeah. Ben Ben, said Tomlin, it's time to hang it up. And he they actually said he should go coach at Penn State.
Speaker 1:I don't
Speaker 4:know if I agree with that.
Speaker 3:I don't know about that one.
Speaker 2:Could you
Speaker 4:imagine that they're the fact that they're telling him he's gotta call it, I'm I don't know. I don't know where he goes
Speaker 1:from here. It's quick. Really quick. It's crazy that we're even in this world now where it's because it never felt like a possibility ever that he was ever gonna go. People are talking.
Speaker 1:But, like, I don't think I I still don't think they're gonna do it.
Speaker 2:Congrats, Jack. Mike Tomlin got you a Christmas present. Another nine and eight season where you might make the first round of the playoffs.
Speaker 4:Just might sneak in a wild as a wildcard team. Maybe even win the division. Who knows? Cause you're not you're not out of
Speaker 2:it yet.
Speaker 1:How does it feel as a Lions fan to now be in the Steelers territory? I wouldn't say they're
Speaker 4:in the Steelers territory.
Speaker 5:Wait. What? What?
Speaker 3:You're
Speaker 1:you're about to go nine and eight with a very similar
Speaker 2:In the best division in football.
Speaker 3:I don't know about the best division in don't
Speaker 4:think the NFC North is the best division in football.
Speaker 2:My bad. I forgot the Vikings. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Was the
Speaker 2:same. You forgot about Vikings.
Speaker 4:Jayden McCarthy would not be a quarterback on a team in the best division of football.
Speaker 2:However, however, we did say it was the best division in football last year when the bears were just about as bad as the Vikings are right now. No. The actually Woah.
Speaker 4:The bears the bears were the
Speaker 3:bears were bad, but because
Speaker 4:of I feel like they weren't this bad. Right? Can we agree on that?
Speaker 3:No. I don't wanna say bad. I just think there was a lot of times where we looked at the coaching staff and we were just like
Speaker 2:If they if these guys could get out of here and win more games.
Speaker 4:But I mean, also, it was like, there were three weeks in a row last season where the Bears lost in just the most like
Speaker 3:Bears way possible.
Speaker 4:Yeah. Honestly. Like, there was the Washington Did game they win again
Speaker 1:after Washington game?
Speaker 4:No. Don't think so. That started the losing
Speaker 3:That was the the start of it? Then they then they had the the Packers, what, game winning field goal?
Speaker 4:Yeah. It was like the Packers had a game winning field goal or it got blocked. Some Yeah. And then the Thanksgiving game was where three weeks in a row of just games that you should have won and they just threw out the window.
Speaker 2:Yep. Where Dweeber Floose forgot how to call
Speaker 4:keeping that Dweeber Floose. I'm keeping that.
Speaker 2:That's awesome. Honestly, I think that I think that the AFC North is like like you guys said, I mean, three of these four teams could realistically still win this. I mean, the Bengals have the longest shot, but
Speaker 3:By far. Am I am I crazy to say if the Bengals win Sunday, I think they have the best shot?
Speaker 4:No. On if they they can win convincing enough
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:If the
Speaker 2:defense does not look as shocking as they have the entire year.
Speaker 3:Like, if if they go into Buffalo and somehow pull out a win, I genuinely would think that they'd have a good shot at
Speaker 1:Well, according to nfl.com, if they win, 8% chance of making the playoffs. Eight. So it would still be
Speaker 2:There's just no
Speaker 3:way. It's not zero. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 4:And that's and that's all you need.
Speaker 2:But but I do think, though, that the Bengals have to win and keep the like, they they have to keep the Bills under 40, which I don't think that you're gonna be able to really do that. Fair. I think that the the Bills are gonna
Speaker 1:Well, it would have to be a Trey Hendricks a Trey Hendricks game because the Bills have major injuries on that offensive line. They ran the heck out of the ball against Steelers, but I think I feel like I can still do that and put up 40.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I just think though that, like I mean, if you're gonna like, the the Bills are accustomed to shootouts. Like, their first game of the year was an 81 total. Like Yeah. I think you have to score 40 to beat the Bills.
Speaker 4:They probably will, and especially because their defense, like, it's they're gonna give up points. Like, even if we look back to the Thanksgiving game, like, the Ravens could have scored 28 points. Like, Isaiah Likely fumbling at the one yard line. They like, that's stuff that won't happen every week.
Speaker 2:They are negative 96 in point differential. That's gotta be the worst in the league. Probably.
Speaker 4:It's it's actually not by by a far margin. Actually, I'm looking at these right now. It's funny you brought this point differential up because I wanted to point this out. Of the top 10 teams in the AFC, two of them have a minus point differential. Number 10 being the Kansas City Chiefs, they have a plus 73.
Speaker 4:Number nine is the Pittsburgh Steelers, they have a minus eight, and then Baltimore has a minus four. Out of the top 10 teams, they are the only two that have a negative point differential and everyone else in that top 10 has a point differential of plus 25 or higher.
Speaker 2:Who's the worst?
Speaker 4:Welcome to answer. The lowest of those is the chargers at the five seed. They have a point differential of 25.
Speaker 2:But who has the worst in, like, the NFL?
Speaker 4:In the NFL, it's Tennessee. Yeah.
Speaker 1:They're at
Speaker 4:minus one fifty eight.
Speaker 1:Oh. Yeah. Tennessee's Oh.
Speaker 4:Dings. Oh, it's it's
Speaker 2:it's honestly it's just because they can't score. Yeah. I mean, they don't have a great points against, but also, like,
Speaker 4:I don't know, man.
Speaker 3:But not as bad as the Giants when it comes to points against.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Oh, yeah. So also, like, the the Bengals have the worst scoring defense in the league. Like, by 50 points?
Speaker 1:A big margin? Yeah. So that's probably gonna wrap up the AFC talk here for the
Speaker 3:Only seven by the way.
Speaker 1:AFC South teams and the Ravens. Let's get into the a let's get into the NFC here.
Speaker 2:I don't wanna go Gotta
Speaker 1:start with the number one team in the NFC
Speaker 3:Just let him talk.
Speaker 1:The Chicago Bears.
Speaker 3:Let we'll just let Will do it.
Speaker 2:Let Will get the victory lap off
Speaker 1:Let's the go.
Speaker 4:This is actually not even gonna be like as much of a victory lap as you expect because
Speaker 1:Nine one and three, please victory lap.
Speaker 4:Nine and three, nine and three, but on the topic of point differentials, the Bears have a plus six point differential. Up next is the Los Angeles Rams. They have plus a 124. Oh my god. There is a large gap in that.
Speaker 4:There is a large gap in these two teams. I also think I was first of all, was very surprised that the Rams lost to the Panthers Me too. On Sunday, like, I didn't think that was gonna happen, but I digress. I think the I think the Bears get a reality check-in Lambeau this week just because they've won a lot of games by a very close margin recently, and I think just it's it's it's time that they lose a game, and I think being the opponent that they have to play, it's gonna be this week. But I'm completely fine with that because there's a lot to learn.
Speaker 4:There's a lot to see, and you see him again in two weeks at Soldier Field.
Speaker 2:I mean, I I I guess I guess you could say that the bears don't have a great point differential, but also, like, when they've lost this season It's been bad. Yeah. I mean, they lost by 31 with the Lions week two.
Speaker 1:Week two. Week two. Week two.
Speaker 2:I'm not I'm not I'm not saying I'm
Speaker 4:not saying Two
Speaker 2:and a
Speaker 1:half two and a half months ago.
Speaker 2:Hey. You're not even listening to me. No. They they this Yeah.
Speaker 1:I know. I see it
Speaker 2:on my screen now. It's not, like, it's not as bad as it seems that they have such a small point differential. It should be higher than it is. Like, it should be, you know, higher than it is, especially, like, in the last six weeks. I mean, they their record is what?
Speaker 2:Like The last six weeks? Five and one?
Speaker 1:They're five and one. And They are
Speaker 2:The one game they lost, they were lost by two
Speaker 4:scores to the The one game they lost was to the Ravens who were starting Tyler Huntley. Like, I've I've I've talked about this with my roommate all the time. Like, I wish I could've sat down and watched this game because I should
Speaker 1:be ten and two
Speaker 5:right now.
Speaker 2:They should
Speaker 1:be well, think about it. They shouldn't
Speaker 4:have lost
Speaker 1:to the Vikings in the week Yeah.
Speaker 3:They they could be they
Speaker 1:could be sitting at eleven and one right now. Okay. Well, contender or pretender?
Speaker 2:Keyword if.
Speaker 3:If. You are right. Okay.
Speaker 4:If you I'll I'll sit here and be real with you. I think they are a contender because they have found I know I was just harping on this. Just because they have found ways to win these close games, And I also think just like a mentality thing, y'all I know y'all have seen the videos in the locker room. Like, that team is ready. Ben Johnson has come and instilled a culture.
Speaker 4:They all wanna play for each other, and they wanna win. And I think that is the most important part. And I think just all they need to do is win two out of these last five games, and they're in they're in the wild card. So all you need just give yourself a chance, get in there, and, you know, let the defense get healthy again. I know they're still missing the three linebackers, but Jalen Johnson's back, Kyler Gordon's back.
Speaker 4:Just wait just wait for the linebackers to get healthy and that defense, you know, the I think they'll be good. They are they are for real. Have a shot this year.
Speaker 1:Contender. I if you're the number one seed in your conference in December Can you really be a pretender? Exactly. Well,
Speaker 4:the Jags. The Jags are not they're not number one in the conference.
Speaker 2:They're they're Oh, sorry. Conference, not the Yeah. My bad. My bad. My I I mean, you said winning close games.
Speaker 2:Like, they they they've played seven one score finals. They're six and one. I mean, we we like to, in previous years, harp on the Chiefs for, you know, going, what, 11 and o in one score games. Like, yeah, I guess there's something to be said that you can't, like, blow teams out, but also when you're keeping or when games are close, if you can manage to bring it out, that's something different about a team that not every team has.
Speaker 1:You know where every game's gonna be close and you need to be able to win close games?
Speaker 2:The playoffs.
Speaker 1:The playoffs. Mhmm. So, yes.
Speaker 3:I I don't wanna
Speaker 2:Oh, Sorry. Contender, but I don't like it.
Speaker 1:This also I
Speaker 2:hate it. This I
Speaker 1:agree with him.
Speaker 4:I think I know exactly what Josh is about to say and I agree with you. Go ahead.
Speaker 3:This feels very like the Vikings last year.
Speaker 2:Yo. This is literally this
Speaker 4:is what I was about to This
Speaker 3:feels very Vikings esque. Like, they you can close out games. You have but there's just when it's gonna come time to the playoffs and you gotta amp it up, I think the experience will come down.
Speaker 2:If you're gonna break the young man's
Speaker 3:No. Shot I okay.
Speaker 1:Josh might just be spitting right now. No. No. Truly might be.
Speaker 3:Because I'm looking I'm looking at the we're talking about points differential. Who's third in the NFC in points differential and is eighth and is looking like we're gonna miss the playoff as the Lions? Like, everything looks bad to be a Lions fan right now. However
Speaker 2:The Lions might be fugazi.
Speaker 3:I I think the offense, it looks incredible. It just does. The offense with Ben Johnson looks so good for the Bears. Caleb Williams is a very talented quarterback on his day. If you can string them together every game, if you can put all the pieces that are there and put them together for one game, it could be really fun.
Speaker 3:Defense, gotta get healthy again. As much as I don't like saying it, if you get if you get home field advantage throughout the playoffs, it makes such a huge difference. It just does. You don't have to travel. You're accustomed to the cold.
Speaker 3:Teams like LA and Tampa San Francisco. Not accustomed to the cold. You get to stay home. It makes such a big difference. So if all those factors play in, I I think it's going to be a Viking situation, but where the Vikings get home field advantage.
Speaker 3:If the Bears get home field advantage, I definitely think that's a little that's a scary thought. And this is only year one.
Speaker 1:Well, because if the bear
Speaker 3:This is only year one. That's a scary thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah. If the playoffs started right now, you would probably play It would be like Tampa or Seattle or or San Francisco. One of those, you know, West Coast teams.
Speaker 2:San Francisco. That's the only one I like out of those.
Speaker 1:In Chicago to go to the
Speaker 2:conference championship. With for the bears.
Speaker 4:And that would in that game. That's really it.
Speaker 3:That's same.
Speaker 4:Just like Josh said, like, I'm pretty sure the Vikings that year, they were like eleven and one in one score games or something and they were at home and they played the Giants. Daniel Jones led Giants. That's very good point. Yeah. And I mean, I like I don't everything's gonna come to light.
Speaker 4:All the all of your flaws, everything that you're not on about your p's and q's, it's gonna show in the playoffs. And I think that's prob that's what makes me feel the best about this team is that every week, they just seem to get better. I'm seeing them getting better. Like, the run game in Philly, that was something I've never seen before. And that was like like Josh talks about Caleb Williams being a
Speaker 3:great court.
Speaker 4:That wasn't even a great passing game for the Bears. They just ran the ball. It was smash mouth football for sixty minutes and it worked.
Speaker 1:281 total rushing yards.
Speaker 4:They had
Speaker 1:Swift had one twenty five, and Nungay had one thirty.
Speaker 4:Munungay being a draft in the seventh round.
Speaker 3:It's it's it's it's Pacheco two point o. I thought Munungay was a great running back at Rutgers.
Speaker 1:And I knew this. Pacheco. That's good.
Speaker 2:Josh and I knew this a year ago. Munung guy was gonna be a star.
Speaker 3:Yeah. We did.
Speaker 4:He runs angry. He runs angry.
Speaker 3:That's what Rutgers players do. That's what they because they
Speaker 4:New Jersey.
Speaker 3:Because they have to play they have to play for
Speaker 2:the They live in Stadaway,
Speaker 4:New Jersey.
Speaker 1:They have to play for Greg Shiono. Yeah. Don't run angry. They're gonna get, you know.
Speaker 3:The bear a Lions fan
Speaker 2:Could you imagine living in Piscataway?
Speaker 3:Yeah. Poor guys.
Speaker 4:Like, nice to see you. Like no.
Speaker 3:As a as a Lions fan, it hurts me, but I I genuinely think if you get home field advantage and it's different compared to the because also, I'm not even saying like, Vikings a couple years ago, but Vikings last year too, they the their two losses or their one loss in one scoring game was against the Lions. If you get that home field advantage in the playoffs and if you get people to come to Chicago, you get a little rest, you get players back healthy, this could be a contender this could be a contender. This really could be a contender. That's just take trying to take my bias hat off.
Speaker 2:I'm so mad at you right now.
Speaker 1:But it's gonna be so interesting because the Bears do.
Speaker 3:I'm not happy with me.
Speaker 1:The Bears legitimately have a hard
Speaker 4:They have they do have a tough schedule to
Speaker 3:play out. They have to get home fielded.
Speaker 1:They play the Packers play the Packers twice in the next three weeks, play the Niners, and then your last game is at Detroit. It's hosting Detroit.
Speaker 4:Are we is our next is our next topic the lines? Because we could use this as
Speaker 1:a Our next topic actually the team y'all just beat.
Speaker 4:So We're trying to stay away
Speaker 3:from them because we could talk an hour about the Lions between him and I. Okay.
Speaker 1:Contender or pretender? It's the Philadelphia Eagles
Speaker 2:on a two
Speaker 1:on a two game slide right now.
Speaker 2:Okay. Okay. I mean, I feel like this has happened the last few years with the Eagles where they look great first half of the season. Maybe they'll get to, you know, eight, nine wins, and then they'll just have the rest of the season where they look like they don't belong to be there or that, like, they don't belong, you know, near the top of the NFC. And then as soon as the playoff hit playoffs hit, you know, somebody's somebody's making big plays every single game to just keep them moving.
Speaker 2:I feel like last year was a little bit of a kind of an anomaly because they had Saquon with just such an unbelievable season where they didn't really go through that. But in the years prior, they will have, you know, a slide where everyone wants everyone fired. Like, now, I mean, they egged Kevin Petullo's house this week. Yeah. Like, what?
Speaker 3:Like crazy.
Speaker 2:Like, what?
Speaker 3:That's disrespectful.
Speaker 2:I mean, I get I get that Jalen Hurts has had a different offensive coordinator every year, so there's gonna be some hiccups no matter what time of the year it is. But, I mean, the Eagles are the Eagles. I do think they're a pretender right now, but I just think that it's it's because of the holes that are in that team. The holes that are in that team are so glaring that I don't think that they can make another run this year.
Speaker 4:I agree with you, but I think like, I just pulled up their schedule. The their schedule to close out the season just does not move me at all, and I think it just gives them the opportunity. They have five weeks to figure out their offense because what they showed on Black Friday was just not, like, a Philadelphia Eagles offense. They were they were behind the whole time, but Jalen Hurts is now remembering that he has AJ Brown out wide on every snap because AJ Brown in the past two weeks has started they're starting to give him the rock a lot. 100 242
Speaker 1:passing yards last
Speaker 2:week. Was his fantasy total this week?
Speaker 4:It was, like, thirty thirty three something. He had two touchdowns, 10 receptions, 137
Speaker 2:yards. AJ Brown and Kyle or no. AJ Brown and DeAndre Swift this week.
Speaker 3:Yikes.
Speaker 2:I lost by 60. Wow.
Speaker 1:Yeah. That makes sense. For with Yeah. With that many points coming out of a singular game. Yeah.
Speaker 1:But they gotta figure out the run game.
Speaker 2:They just just need to figure
Speaker 4:out their offense. Like, offense does not look like they're all on the same page.
Speaker 1:Because you still have the best for for my dollar, the best running back in the league. He's just not being, you know, used well enough. So
Speaker 3:I think
Speaker 1:I don't know. It feels like the Chiefs almost where they're not playing well, but how can you count them out?
Speaker 4:They're gonna find a way
Speaker 2:to get
Speaker 1:So they're probably still a contender probably.
Speaker 2:Are we taste like chickening the the Chiefs right now? I feel like we are because we mentioned them last year or last last time with the Bears where they had all those close one score game wins.
Speaker 1:Well, because it's easy to just refer to the Chiefs because, you know
Speaker 2:because they've they've had everything good happen to them in the last
Speaker 4:ten years.
Speaker 1:They've been the contender the last decade.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Fair enough.
Speaker 1:Or roughly. But I yeah. They're probably still a contender of the Eagles, probably.
Speaker 3:Probably. It it we Jack and I, we talked about it before we came into the studio. It's it's just like one of those where it's like, they're probably still a contender. They're They're just probably because if they can if they click, you've seen what they can do. They've I mean, they've made two Super Bowls in the last, what, three years?
Speaker 3:Three years. They, like, they've been to the Super Bowl. How can you and they still have majority of that talent, and they got better. They added a guy by the name of Saquon Barkley, who on his day, pound for pound is one of the toughest players to tackle just because of the elusiveness, the strength, all those things.
Speaker 1:I would go to say he's pound for pound the bet one of the hardest players to tackle maybe in the history
Speaker 3:of the NFL. Because, I mean, we could you could say Derrick Henry, but Derrick Henry does not nearly have well, not nearly, but I'll say doesn't have the elusiveness of Saquon Barkley. Saquon Barkley literally hurdled a man backwards.
Speaker 1:Mhmm.
Speaker 3:Like, that's how explosive the guy is. So they feel something feels wrong in Philadelphia, but I'll just it's again the the Chiefs thing is you're just never gonna bet against them because if they click, they click.
Speaker 2:Mhmm.
Speaker 3:They work hard. If they can just figure out how to block when it comes to the run game, if they can establish if they can figure out the right technique in opening up and not getting destroyed by defensive lines when it comes to the run game, they'll be fine and they'll be a contender.
Speaker 4:And I completely agree. Like like I said, those last five weeks, you got Chargers, Raiders, Commanders, Bills, Commanders. That's five games where you can try to figure out you can win by two scores and your offense could just, like, remember who it is, I guess. Like, just figure out how to play together again, get the timing down. Like, Jalen Hurts needs to start remembering when DeVonta Smith is gonna cut on that slant route, and you you have touchdowns, you have points.
Speaker 4:But, I mean, yeah, this it's just a sleeping giant. If they can figure it out, they're they're gonna make it in regardless. I I personally think so.
Speaker 3:If they Yeah.
Speaker 4:If they keep playing like this, they'll they'll get in as a wild card team at worst. But, again, all you need to do is get yourself in the playoffs and give yourself a shot.
Speaker 2:I mean, at this point with the schedule they have left, mean, you're basically Usain Bolt. You can run back you can run backwards and you like it. Yeah. I
Speaker 3:mean Mhmm.
Speaker 1:Let's stay in the NFC East here with the Dallas Cowboys. We talked about this before the show. Maybe the most improved team in in this year, especially in the past, like, a month, month and a half in the entire NFL, especially those last three weeks where you have wins over the Chiefs, over the Eagles. You convincingly beat the Raiders. You know?
Speaker 1:The two two games before that, not so much. Maybe not a month and a half, maybe more like the last two, three weeks. But it's obvious when you watch this team, especially that offense. It is firing on all cylinders right now, and they do have a chance, slim chance, but they still have a chance to make the playoffs. So contender or pretender?
Speaker 4:I don't know.
Speaker 2:I need to hear you guys.
Speaker 3:I'm gonna go contender. If they win if they win tomorrow
Speaker 1:If they win tomorrow.
Speaker 3:If they win tomorrow, without a doubt, they're scheduled, they're a contender. They're going tomorrow, if we're just looking at tomorrow, Terion Arnold is on IR. That means either George Pickens or Cee Dee Lamb is going to have a favorable matchup.
Speaker 2:A what's his name? Thomas?
Speaker 3:Harper, I think? Yeah. I don't know. And Kirby Joseph is still out. He is still not playing football, which hurts me as a lion's fan.
Speaker 3:The Cowboys just the deep since acquiring Quentin Williams, Logan Wilson, James Houston has looked very good, especially just as a supplemental guy on the defense and on special teams who that hurts my heart as a Lions fan, fact that he's playing good. This team, offensively, hard to stop. Schottenheimer, I feel like he's just gotten this group back. He's really invested in that locker room, and that locker room believes in him as a coach. And I think they finally acquired that difference maker on defense for Matt Eberflus to really start scheming things up differently.
Speaker 3:I thought that defense looked unreal against the Chiefs. They did a really good job. So this team feels like a a contender for me, especially if they continue to roll like they've been the last couple weeks. If they win tomorrow in Ford Field, definitely a contender.
Speaker 4:I completely agree. I think the game tomorrow is so important for both teams. Like, it's we're gonna learn a lot about both teams, and I think the Cowboys I mean, like you said, that offense we already know the offense could put up points when they want to. And just like Philly, like, that offense clicks, the the the points that they could put up are ridiculous. And it just comes down to the defense.
Speaker 4:Like, can the defense hold the other team to less points? And they have. The defense has been playing so much better. I mean, I don't I don't know how a Matt Eberfluke's defense is playing well, but, I mean, the the Cowboys defense has looked better. They're winning games.
Speaker 4:They're they're I don't know. They're starting to string wins together, and they have a big matchup on Thursday. They just beat the two teams that were in the Super Bowl the past two weeks. Can they beat the team that was the number one seed in the NFC last year? I I mean, I don't think it's a long shot by any margins, but I would say the Cowboys are in the right spot, and I'll call them a contender.
Speaker 1:I don't know. This defense is still a worry for me, but Yeah. That offense is so explosive.
Speaker 2:I mean, they're they're they're tied for second best scoring offense in the league. One point there there so they're a couple points behind sorry.
Speaker 1:They Don't
Speaker 3:know why. Colts. They
Speaker 1:have cleared the most passing yards per game by 15 to second place. They're averaging 271 passing yards a game.
Speaker 2:So they they have one more point four than the lions and the seahawks. They're tied with the patriots at 351, but also they are only plus nine. I mean, so they are kinda far down there in points against per game. I would I I mean, it it's obviously from the first couple weeks where they just couldn't stop anyone. But don't know.
Speaker 2:I think even in the past month, like, one month ago today, they probably had their most concerning loss of the season. They have turned it around, but losing by 10 to the cardinals at home, to me, screams pretend. Yeah. I think while they have turned it around, you know, like you guys said, they did just beat both teams that were in the Super Bowl last year. One score game against the Chiefs in a year where they seem pretty down to me.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I I just don't know how to still feel about this team. Even though it's December, I'm still so, like, in between. We will learn a lot tomorrow.
Speaker 2:I think if they if they can catch a if they can catch an offense making a lot of unforced errors, you can't really beat them.
Speaker 4:But Yeah.
Speaker 2:To me, it it screams what happens, you know, when the ball is not in their hands. I think that every team they play against is kind of in control of the game because, you know, you can't you can't really stop them. But if you can score a decent amount of points every game, you have a good chance.
Speaker 4:Yeah. I just think it's so funny that they've had just such like a one eighty flip over the past couple weeks. Like, if we were to talk about this team five weeks ago, we would not even be considering the fact that they would fight for a wild card.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, between that Cardinals loss and this three game win streak, there was a bye. So it's probably where a lot of that happened, but even then, like, they changed everything in that bye. Like, they have been one of the best teams in the NFL last three weeks. So I don't know. I lead pretender, but if they go into Detroit tomorrow and beat the lions
Speaker 3:I I think
Speaker 2:I second that.
Speaker 3:I think the one thing, especially, is getting Quinnon Williams involved.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 3:He is a different he is a different
Speaker 1:He's starting to ramp up
Speaker 3:here. He's starting to get connected. The defense looks I and I think they're also playing really inspired. I think they're really playing inspired for what Yeah. The tragedy that they're going through the past couple weeks.
Speaker 3:I think if that's part I think that's part of the case. Sad, I hate that that's part of the reason. That's an awful reason, but I think they're playing inspired football right now.
Speaker 4:Mhmm.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Alright. Last NFC team here. Gotta talk about them because they're in a wide open division, and they just pulled off one of the most impressive wins of the entire year. Talk about the Carolina Panthers here.
Speaker 1:They just beat the LA Rams by three, put 31 points on them, and they are currently half a game back from the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. So they are right in that in that, you know, division conversation. Contender or pretender? Carolina Panthers.
Speaker 2:Can I take a push?
Speaker 1:Push them?
Speaker 2:I feel like this this revolves around who they're playing. Like, I I mean so they're they have well, sorry. The Bucks have a game in hand on them. They have the same amount of wins. Like but also if you're playing if you're playing better competition, save for the Bills game, I feel like they've played much better, but they've played bad against bad teams.
Speaker 2:I mean, we say the Cowboys are good. They beat the Cowboys. They they got spanked by the Panthers. Oh, sorry. They got spanked by the Patriots, but, I mean, they just beat who we thought was the number one team in the NFC last week.
Speaker 2:Mhmm.
Speaker 1:And then So and what's so interesting is the Bucks and the Panthers played twice in the last five weeks. So we're gonna learn a lot. Crucial. And the Panthers right now have a buy. I believe this week is their buy.
Speaker 1:They are one of the teams that, you know, luckily get the week 14 buy, which is
Speaker 3:ridiculous.
Speaker 1:It it is crazy. But I don't know. I don't think either of these NFC South teams are contenders, like actual contenders. I just wanted to put them in there because you can't deny that win that they just had. But
Speaker 2:I legit think if they sneak in as the wild card in the NFC and the Rams are number one, I think they could beat them.
Speaker 1:They wouldn't play the Rams.
Speaker 2:Who would be the number one over us? Oh, oh. Bears.
Speaker 3:Well, no. Because the one seed gets the bye.
Speaker 4:So they play the two.
Speaker 2:So they won't.
Speaker 1:Sorry. Whoever's the two And I don't think they can sneak in.
Speaker 2:English is hard sometimes.
Speaker 1:And I
Speaker 2:don't think Yeah.
Speaker 1:I don't think they can sneak in in the last playoff spot. They would have to win the division. Oh. So then they would play
Speaker 3:Depending on how the Niners and
Speaker 1:Then they would play Seattle.
Speaker 4:I think the Panthers completely can win that division too. Yeah. Just the fact the fact that they're what? Are they both six and six or are the Panthers
Speaker 3:Seven and five Tampa, seven and six Carolina. Tampa gets the game advantage this week.
Speaker 1:Most likely Tampa will be eight and five exiting this week, and Carolina will be seven and six most likely. I don't know. I I still think they could definitely win the division, but I just this division, like like most years
Speaker 4:not very striking from top to bottom. Yeah. Would I mean,
Speaker 1:I It hasn't been since Brady retired.
Speaker 4:I've hated this Panthers team all year. I feel like they're just so up and down. I can never get, like, a feel for who they are. But, I mean, the fact that they play the Bucks twice to close out the season, I mean, that that's the division right there. Those two games will give you your division winner.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. Any last thoughts on the contenders or pretenders before we move on to our pick them?
Speaker 2:I haven't thought about the pick them, but
Speaker 1:Okay. So we can get into the pick them here. Go ahead. Do you wanna do the fifteen minute timer again?
Speaker 2:I don't know. But before we do that, I feel like this math is not mathing.
Speaker 1:Is it not math incorrect?
Speaker 4:No. We're not math majors. Can you think it
Speaker 2:You have a 100 or you have sorry. You're ninety one zero two and two. You have a 194 games. I have a 194 games. Right?
Speaker 2:Cooper has a 196 on his record.
Speaker 1:Okay. Well, we can figure that out, but let's get into the pick them.
Speaker 2:I just had a total brain glitch there.
Speaker 1:For sure for sure we know the records, for sure, from last week. Yes. Another push. Bucks were favored by three. They won by three.
Speaker 1:So I went seven, eight, and one. Owen went seven, eight, and one. Cooper, who's not here, went nine, six, and one. Josh also went nine, six, and one, and Will went six, nine, and one. So not a bad week for all of us.
Speaker 1:I believe if you add them all add them add them all together, we would be around 500. Thank you. See, English is hard for all of us today.
Speaker 2:I think
Speaker 3:it might It just sucks.
Speaker 1:It might be the finals, but we are running out of time here. So do we wanna do the fifteen minute clock review? Let's do it. Or cave caveman? Probably fifteen minute.
Speaker 4:Yeah. Let's do fifteen minute timer.
Speaker 1:Alright. Clock starts now. Let's start with Thursday night football. Like we mentioned, Cowboys heading to Detroit, taking on the Lions who are three point favorites. What do you feel?
Speaker 1:Cooper has the Cowboys.
Speaker 2:This game's gonna be a shootout.
Speaker 1:Highest total of the week. Yep. 53 and a half, I believe.
Speaker 2:I I think the Lions edge him just edge it out just a little bit. Stop it. Stop it right now.
Speaker 1:I'm not doing anything.
Speaker 3:I'm gonna go I I take my un unbiased or my biased hat off. I think the Cowboys do it. I think they do. I think if the TerriAnn Arnold and Kirby Joseph makes the difference, and I think the Cowboys offense does more against the Lions defense than the Lions offense does because they've looked not very good lately.
Speaker 4:So I have written down the Lions right now, but I'm gonna switch to the Cowboys because, like, the more I think about it like, I didn't wanna harp on the Lions injuries too much. I don't wanna I don't wanna, like, put the whole team on that that that's gonna be the reason that they lose, but they are missing very important pieces to the defense.
Speaker 3:And there's a chance that there's no Amon Rassein Brown.
Speaker 4:That is true.
Speaker 1:That that is so true.
Speaker 3:That's that's a part of the offense.
Speaker 2:I I would be very interested to see the numbers on this. Do you think the Lions have been the most injured team in the NFL in the last five years? They have been.
Speaker 1:Especially the last two years.
Speaker 3:Last two years.
Speaker 1:For three years. Sure. Sure. Who would it be?
Speaker 4:I feel every every team deals with yes, the Lions did have like
Speaker 2:a pretty ridiculous amount in last year. The most injured starters. Maybe, but I
Speaker 4:don't know. I feel like every team has their injuries though. I don't know.
Speaker 1:You know what? We didn't even mention Frank Ragnow. We Yeah. We don't really have to say. Would you
Speaker 2:count would you count that?
Speaker 1:I was think
Speaker 4:no. That does not count.
Speaker 2:We don't
Speaker 1:even have the time to bring it up, but
Speaker 2:if you did I heartbroken. If you don't count it for this year, you have to count it for last
Speaker 1:year because
Speaker 2:there's no way he could get fishing.
Speaker 1:He attempted to unretire, took a physical, figured out he had a grade three hamstring
Speaker 4:Doesn't it get
Speaker 1:Which is a complete tear of the hamstring.
Speaker 3:I was like, isn't that like tenderism? Like, the hamstring is falling off the bone Yes. Yes. Essentially?
Speaker 4:Yes. Yeah.
Speaker 2:And he
Speaker 4:and he got up off his couch and was like, Lions. Can go ahead. I'm ready to play. I'm ready to go. Let's do it.
Speaker 1:For sure. But to end it out here, I I think Lions this could definitely be a push. I like the idea of a shootout. But if it is a shootout, I think I like the Lions in the in the home spot here, but it's gonna be a interesting game nonetheless. Moving on moving on to the 01:00 games here.
Speaker 1:The saints heading to Tampa, taking on the bucs, bucs eight and half point favorites. I'm the contrarian here.
Speaker 4:You stand alone. Explain.
Speaker 1:Bucks haven't shown me enough where I think they can even beat the Saints by eight points. Wow. I mean, they beat the Cardinals by three, got blown up by the Rams, lost by 12 to the Bills, lost by five to the Patriots. They've not been good the past month, and I don't know. I think the Saints just keep it within a touchdown.
Speaker 1:Could literally be a touchdown, but I think they keep it within.
Speaker 4:I think the line is the only saving grace. I have I'm going with the Bucks, but I I do hear
Speaker 3:your I do hear your point.
Speaker 1:If we were picking money lines
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 4:Yeah. But I do hear your point. The this it is a large spread. I don't I just think this is the game where the Bucks figure it out, they kinda start to get back to their winning ways.
Speaker 2:So I I heard some news about Jalen McMillan and Mike Evans. Are they both potentially back this week?
Speaker 4:Are they?
Speaker 2:I'm not sure. They both
Speaker 1:they both returned to practice today.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I know they both practiced today.
Speaker 1:So they yeah. They returned from IR and now have twenty one days to practice.
Speaker 2:So Okay. So probably not. No. I think But
Speaker 1:that they have been activated. Yeah.
Speaker 2:That would swing the line heavy. I still
Speaker 1:think You would feel it if yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I think I think Baker can put an entire NFL team on his back, and I think to this week, it'll happen. The Saints will get out to an early lead. Baker is gonna run through a safety, just straight through him, And then, you know, get up, flex his muscles, probably do some obscene gestures toward the crowd, and then it'll be all Bucks from then on.
Speaker 3:I think Saints struggle on the road, struggle on the road a lot. Their one win essentially on the road was against Carolina, and Carolina's yo yo is the definition. 24 loss against the rams, 12 loss against the Bears on the road. 12 loss against the Bills on the road. Essentially, a 30 loss against the Seahawks on the road, and they only got a four point loss against the Dolphins on the road.
Speaker 3:So I'm gonna go Bucks to cover.
Speaker 4:But I think that was just Brian Flores knew what he was doing because
Speaker 1:And I think it will be a similar type look, and Seattle still won by 27.
Speaker 4:Correct.
Speaker 3:I was gonna say, didn't Seattle, like, also hold the Vikings to zero?
Speaker 1:Yeah. Think they might match roster. Red Vikings offense.
Speaker 4:Their defense their defense is unreal. It's amazing. But can the falcons recreate what the Vikings did to Sam Darnold last week? I don't think they can. And then the Seahawks offense looks threatening.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So we all have the Seahawks there. No surprise. Next game, Bengals going to Buffalo, taking on the Bills. Bills, five and a half point favorites.
Speaker 2:Will and I both have the Bengals. Curious. Will, wanna hear what you think.
Speaker 1:Is this a cover or is this a win?
Speaker 2:I think this is cover.
Speaker 4:I think it I think it could be a win. I mean, I don't again, I don't know. When I listened to the podcast episode Yada did last week, I thought it was funny because I was the only one that took the Bengals to beat the Ravens. And You got it right. And Owen had a comment.
Speaker 4:He was like, I I don't know what Will's like thought process is with this, but I mean
Speaker 3:forgot about that.
Speaker 1:The poem from last week is
Speaker 3:Oh, yeah. We had some we
Speaker 1:had some
Speaker 3:clips from last week.
Speaker 4:I heard them. I heard the clips. Don't worry.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I don't know, dude. I I mean, I guess, you know, you were you were some you you had some clairvoyance, but, like, I I I I just couldn't see you know, Joe Burrow coming back obviously gives a big spike to that Bengals offense, but, like, I did not predict a Raven stinker like
Speaker 4:Five turnovers. Yeah. I don't think the Bills will do that, but I don't know. If I'm again, I'm just going out on a limb here. Maybe the Bengals defense is like, okay.
Speaker 4:We got our quarterback back. We got a nice win on the road. Maybe they have, I don't know, some type of, like, vibe, a little more energy going into Buffalo. Who knows? Maybe they maybe they wanna play.
Speaker 2:I think Joe Burrow's gonna throw for two eighty and three touchdowns. I think that's small.
Speaker 1:I think it'd be, like
Speaker 3:Three twenty, I think. Three fifty. Especially if they
Speaker 4:throw the ball as much as they did on Thanksgiving.
Speaker 3:I don't know about you, Jack, but I just think this is just a a Bills team that's kind of in des I don't wanna say desperation, but they really could use a a win against a team that, I guess, is technically coming in hot, I guess, if you wanna say.
Speaker 2:I think think the Bills cover though? I think it's gonna be 28, 24 Bills.
Speaker 3:Fair. I I think the Bills cover just because of how bad that defense is, and I don't think Joe Burrow and Ja'Marr Chase and that offense can go down and essentially score on every single drive.
Speaker 1:I like all of your points there. I just don't think they have the defense to stop this Bills team running or passing whatever they wanna do. I think they'll win by a full touchdown, so I got them. And then Cooper has the Bills as well. Steelers Ravens, Ravens six point favorites.
Speaker 1:Will and I are agreeing here for the first time, and I don't even know how long I am gonna take my team to cover. I don't know. In a Steelers Ravens game, six feels like a lot. We're losing, but I think we probably we'll probably lose by, like, four.
Speaker 4:I agree with you for the same point. I just think six is a lot, so I'm taking the Steelers.
Speaker 2:Lamar is angry.
Speaker 1:That's true.
Speaker 2:You took the Steelers. I have to auto fade. It's just it's it's in my you're in my constitution.
Speaker 1:Josh just made a switch.
Speaker 3:I was gonna say Owen makes a great point there because you just took Steel I think I think you make a great point. I think Ravens win, but I think they definitely because this game is always close.
Speaker 2:What happened to you, man?
Speaker 3:He made a great point. Steelers always like, I feel like they're gonna hug you got me convinced too now because he took Steelers. Now I should go against him because he talked.
Speaker 2:Would take Steelers plus eight.
Speaker 3:I could Yeah. I think six is I I I think six might be just a little too much. If this was like four and a half maybe, I would say Ravens. I think six is too much. I think this is I feel like this could be a push.
Speaker 3:I think this really Why not? Could be a
Speaker 1:Maybe.
Speaker 2:Oh, the Cooper and the Ravens?
Speaker 1:Yeah. And then Cooper and the Ravens as well. We'll see. I could see legitimately could see this being a 10 to seven final score.
Speaker 2:I don't even need to explain myself. It's auto fade every
Speaker 1:time. Yeah. Alright. And I completely understand. Next game, Colts, one and a half point favorites going to Jacksonville.
Speaker 2:The Jags are fraudulent? Josh, speak.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Because everyone has the Colts besides Josh.
Speaker 3:This one, I just feel like I could just I just feel a different scenario happening where I have this could be this could backfire so bad and the Colts win by, like, 20, but I just so could see a world where the the Jags win on, like, a Cam Little monster field goal where, like, you're just like, there's no way that they make it. And he just does. And it's like, the Jags just somehow snuck out against the Colts who have a really good offense, and they just somehow snuck out with a win. That's my entire reasoning behind this. I feel like this goes close to the wire all the way, but I think the Jags somehow do it.
Speaker 4:I hear you and I can also completely see that reality happening, but I just think the Colts, they're on a slide. It's a big game with where they are divisionally, and I I I just think they power through and get a win.
Speaker 2:Fair.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I I agree. A very pivotal game here, but I think the Colts God, it's But yeah, let's move on here.
Speaker 4:Is he okay? Y'all, like, y'all can't really see Owens. Now let's touch. I'll explain. Owen is now, like, crouched hunched over in the corner, like, on the phone.
Speaker 1:So titans are going the look of the titans are going to Cleveland, taking on the browns. Browns are three and a half point favorites. Owen is currently crouched over because he's calling Cooper who was the only person who took the titans.
Speaker 2:What? Alright. Mitch Gravens, you're live to tape. On the pylon right now. Explain.
Speaker 2:Explain yourself.
Speaker 5:Hello, everybody. I'm calling in via my home right now. Via my home. The titans to cover against the browns because I feel like even though this is a lost season for the titans, there's gonna be a few times to towards the end of the season where, the titans will show some flashes of and promise for coming up next year. I believe this is a game where Cam Ward can, you know, feel a little relieved that, you know, this the year is pretty much over, but I feel like the titans are a tricky team, and they do like to keep the game relatively close except from last week against Jacksonville.
Speaker 5:I think this is a good spot for them to show what they possibly can do. So I take the Titans to cover.
Speaker 4:I like that. Hey. I mean, I hear all of his reasons, and that was the exact reason why I picked them last week against the Jags except they lost 25 to three last week. So I'm gonna take the Browns.
Speaker 5:I took the I took the Jags to cover last last week. I just it's just because of the fact that, the Jags are on a heater right now. They're tied for first in the division, but it's they're they're playing the browns. Alright?
Speaker 2:They're Fair enough. The Jags and the browns. Alright, brother. We appreciate it. We are running out of time, so I will talk to you later.
Speaker 2:Alright. Alright.
Speaker 1:Appreciate it, buddy.
Speaker 3:See you, Cooper.
Speaker 4:Why did that warrant such a reaction from you? I thought you were calling someone like a yeah. Like a close family member or something.
Speaker 1:Because he signaled to me, and I want him to do it. It was hard to convey to you guys what he was doing, and he was literally just hunched over in
Speaker 5:the corner.
Speaker 2:I just didn't want my mic to pick it up.
Speaker 1:Alright. We we have three fifty.
Speaker 3:We gotta go. Yep. I gotta go Browns just because I think they're at home and I think Shadoor crooks.
Speaker 2:Browns, l o l titans.
Speaker 1:Agree. Next game, Phils. Phils. Phils. Dolphins.
Speaker 2:Wrong state.
Speaker 1:Dolphins. Two and half point favorites in MetLife against the Jets. We all take the Dolphins.
Speaker 4:Dolphins. Yep.
Speaker 1:Vikings at commander. Wait. Yep. Commanders at oh, it's falling off the rails here. Commanders at Vikings.
Speaker 1:Vikings two and half point favorites. I like the Commanders here. This is a
Speaker 2:lawsuit for the Commanders. Don't think they have anything to play for.
Speaker 1:Heather, the Vikings.
Speaker 4:I I would have said exactly what you said, Owen, until I watched them play the broncos on Sunday night. I don't know. I feel it. The commanders, they they just looked like they were playing for something, and they I think they're playing for jobs. Not playing as what
Speaker 1:it is.
Speaker 4:Yeah. When you're in the NFL, that's enough to make you play for something because you want a nice little contract.
Speaker 3:Vikings at Vikings at home. Vikings defense, Brian Flores, they got it.
Speaker 4:Who's their starting quarterback though?
Speaker 3:Like Doesn't matter.
Speaker 4:They some
Speaker 3:defense
Speaker 4:at
Speaker 3:home.
Speaker 4:They somehow found someone that is worse at football than Lowell nine and he looked awful. Actually looked terrible. I'm so glad I was on a plane and didn't get to watch him sell Justin Jefferson in my Fantasy League because wow.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I'm gonna take the Commanders. I I like that idea as well. And we are gonna hit our two minute warning right here. Take a breather.
Speaker 2:Doom doom doom doom.
Speaker 1:Do get do we get
Speaker 3:one more time do we get one time out like we did
Speaker 1:last time? Yeah. We get one time out.
Speaker 4:Yeah. We got a time out.
Speaker 2:We got a time out. Alright. You didn't listen to the whole episode.
Speaker 3:What was doing?
Speaker 4:I listened to it. I this must have just
Speaker 3:I must have
Speaker 4:missed the time out. I didn't know that
Speaker 2:we were doing it.
Speaker 4:So it's actually a two minute warning.
Speaker 3:Yeah. No. Two minute warning and then a time out inside the two minute warning because we all struggled
Speaker 2:because we have bad clock management. We have
Speaker 3:Owen really struggled with getting out some words, and we're like, we need a time out so we can regroup.
Speaker 1:We have five minutes. We have five games here in two minutes. You guys ready? Do have we do have the time out to throw. Alright.
Speaker 1:And we go. First game at the 04:00 slate, broncos heading to Vegas. Broncos, seven and a half point favorites.
Speaker 2:I think that the broncos are in such a driver's seat in the division right now where they're just having fun. And when you have fun, you play with, like, a lot less weight on your shoulders. The Raiders have the exact opposite of that. Give me the Broncos.
Speaker 3:Broncos cover. They just get enough done to win by eight.
Speaker 4:I don't even think it's getting enough done. I think they just shut down the Raiders offense, and they can't do anything.
Speaker 1:I think it's gonna be a similar situation to the Broncos Commanders. I think Raiders lose by seven, so they cover. Bears at Packers. Packers, six and a half point favorites.
Speaker 3:Bears love one score games. This is gonna be less than a one score game. Bears cover.
Speaker 1:I agree. Our local Bears fan took the Packers.
Speaker 4:Again, I just I just think it's time. Like, they've won a lot of games in a row. I just think this is the one that goes south.
Speaker 1:Is this reverse psychology from you, Will Shaul? Oh, yeah. Okay.
Speaker 4:Fair enough. I'm admitting it.
Speaker 2:To me, I think that the Bears might be better than the Packers, so I I think bears money line is a good option here.
Speaker 4:If they if they could force a bunch of interceptions, they'll be in it.
Speaker 1:Alright. As we have under a minute here, rams, seven and half point favorites in Arizona. Cards.
Speaker 3:LOL cardinals. Cardinals suck. Rams big.
Speaker 4:I'm the only one taking the Cardinals. I don't know. I I just I I read these teams together, and I think the Cards do something weird.
Speaker 1:Time out. Okay. Forty two seconds.
Speaker 2:Alright. Two
Speaker 4:games. Do we need to, like, huddle up or something?
Speaker 1:Okay. We have we have twenty one and a seconds per game. Do we got it?
Speaker 3:We got that. Yep. Because it definitely helps with this or, well, maybe somebody should get their pick in for the last one. It helps them with this one game that we
Speaker 4:all agree. This is a great time out. So someone uses time out to convince me if I should Yeah. You should. Because I don't know.
Speaker 4:I don't know who I'm Did thinking about
Speaker 2:a pump formation with 10 men on the field.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:Is that MSU football?
Speaker 1:I think the ref I think the refs are are, you know, counting us down from time out right here.
Speaker 4:Yeah. Okay. Hold on.
Speaker 2:Chris Collinsworth is moaning into the mic again. We're we're back from commercial break.
Speaker 1:We have Sunday night football and Monday night football to get through. Here we go. Okay. Sunday night football, Texans heading to Kansas City, taking on the Chiefs. We all agree.
Speaker 1:Texans.
Speaker 4:Strong defense.
Speaker 1:Exactly. That strong defense leads me to, I think, a three point victory for the Chiefs.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I mean, even if this game's low scoring, I don't think that the Chiefs score more than the Texans, to be honest.
Speaker 3:Yep.
Speaker 1:Alright. And then Monday night football, Eagles, three and a half point favorites, going to LA taking out the Chargers.
Speaker 4:Is Justin Herbert playing?
Speaker 1:Don't know. Okay.
Speaker 3:I'll look quick. Keep talking.
Speaker 2:To me, this this line being three says yes. So I I mean, very small. Give me the Chargers.
Speaker 1:Give me the Chargers as well.
Speaker 3:ESPN don't wanna work. I still think Chargers because they play smash mouth football.
Speaker 4:I'm I'm a roll with Cooper. A roll with the Eagles. Three.
Speaker 2:They they just need to win,
Speaker 1:you know.
Speaker 4:Two. They lost it
Speaker 2:at very successful start. The kick's in the air.
Speaker 1:We did it. We did it, guys. Yeah. We made it. We we made it.
Speaker 2:Herbert's questionable. He's not fully out. They're preparing
Speaker 3:they're preparing if Herbert is starting. That's what it says. They're preparing for Herbert to start.
Speaker 1:But we made it. We got that in fifteen minutes. Just if we aren't if we weren't already stressed enough as as student journalists, here we are under the clock, but we got it.
Speaker 2:That's where I work best.
Speaker 1:And that's gonna do it for today's show. Thank you all for listening. Check us out on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever else where you guys get your podcasts. We will be back next week.
Speaker 4:I was I was actually gonna ask this question. We're we're let's just let's NFL
Speaker 1:Christmas list. I will be here. I will be here too. Will be there. It'll be a festive episode.
Speaker 1:Whatever it is, it'll be festive, a lot of cheer, a lot of joy.
Speaker 4:Maybe not a lot of joy. A A of boy. Certain game on Thursday goes in certain direction. Yeah. Might not be a
Speaker 3:lot of joy. Might be
Speaker 1:Hey, definitely, you know, non zero chance all of us, all of our teams lose this upcoming week.
Speaker 3:Yeah. They
Speaker 4:could. But if they don't, oh. Oh.
Speaker 1:We'll see. It'll be
Speaker 4:a fun episode next week. Yeah. It'll be a fun episode.
Speaker 1:So that's gonna do it from all of us. We'll see y'all next week. Hope you have a great rest of your day. Have a great rest of your week. See you.