Let's Talk UNLV

On this episode of Let’s Talk UNLV hosts Keith and Tanya sit down with Professional Development Specialist, Dr. Darren Vetter. As a leader in Career Service, Dr. Vetter is passionate about helping students and alumni find the best career for them. Dr. Vetter shares several resources available to students and alumni from workshops to an interviewing tool that scores your interview skills! Tune in to learn more and catch Dr. Vetter at the next UNLV Career Fair happening October 26th! 

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Keith Rogers 0:11
All right. Welcome to another segment of less talk UNLV with co host Keith and Tanya. Tanya, how was your weekend?

Unknown Speaker 0:18
It was awesome to us. Spend some time in nature went for a couple of walks, and I've been watching She Hulk.

Keith Rogers 0:26
Ooh, my son and I we binge watched it over the weekend also. Okay.

Unknown Speaker 0:30
So what are your thoughts? You know,

Keith Rogers 0:32
I guess I tried to stay open minded with it. But it's been it's been entertained. And it was so unexpected, sort of the direction they're going with the show. So

Unknown Speaker 0:41
I love that. Unexpected. So I love the idea of a female superhero. I wish it was so boy centered. And I want her to fight like tough people. Not the influencer. But other than that I really like well,

Keith Rogers 0:58
you know, the Avengers defeated Thanos. So I don't know, I don't know how you can invent a villain that's going to be more formidable than Thanos man abominations

Unknown Speaker 1:06
need to make a comeback. But you know, we know he's reformed now. So I'm sorry. Spoiler alert. So, but yeah, I love the idea that we're expanding that the direction and the audience and the types of people. Miss Marvel was phenomenal. By the way.

Keith Rogers 1:22
Yes, I didn't think I don't think my son and I finished it. I think we got to the episode. Spoiler alert listeners. I think we got to the episode when she was at the train, when she had sort of gone back in time with at the train.

Unknown Speaker 1:34
So that's what I did with my weekend I dabbled with superheroes. Well, as you

Keith Rogers 1:39
can see, I sort of watched a little binge watching my son, and we used to do Friday Night Movie Night. So he gets to pick what he wants to watch. And as she Hulk has been on his list for a few weeks, so we binge watched, I think, like four or five episodes up until the current one night. And then just, you know, outside of that, you know, just trying to catch up on emails. You know, I got so many staff vacancies right now. And you know, we're looking to hire more students and dealing with students. So I think today's guest is sort of timely to help. Help us talk through that, you know, retaining staff and hiring new staff and especially student workers is essential to the campus operations. And you know, preparing our students to graduate and connect to a career after they finish is also a key, a key goal for the institution. So with that said, we have our guest today we have Dr. Darren Vetter, who's the Career and Professional Development Specialist with career services. Darren, welcome to the show.

Unknown Speaker 2:35
Very excited to be here today with you guys excited to meet you. And yeah, we have a lot we can talk about.

Keith Rogers 2:41
All right. Well, we you know, we always start our new guests off with just asking sort of West your origin story to UNLV.

Unknown Speaker 2:47
Sure. So I've been with the campus now for almost a year and Career Services before that I was with College of Southern Nevada for almost a year also started over there as a tutor just for one class during the pandemic, and then ended up tutoring for five or six different subjects. So which was great. Previous to that a lot of years in business. So around 15 years, working with a couple different companies, manager, General Manager, but also for one large company, I managed their summer internship program. So I got to do a lot of career fairs, which we have one coming up here, but a lot of career fairs. I've got to see a lot of resumes in my life. But I've also got to hire and interview a lot of people. And a lot of students too, we would hire students into our internship program in business, train them for six months, and then kind of direct them on their way to management, which worked out really good. So a lot of years of business experience, and now just kind of sink in all the way into education.

Unknown Speaker 3:42
Wow, it sounds like you your resume was already stacked before you got here. You were you were ready. You came ready. It was okay. Okay, so this idea of career advisement and determine which is really huge for a lot of students and also a great source of stress for a number of students. How do you approach helping students find their right fit?

Unknown Speaker 4:02
So it's kind of an interview in itself. So when you're there with a student, you're asking them, what's your background? What are you interested in? what degree are you going after? It's a lot of discussions with students, it comes to a lot of questions of why are you in this degree? This isn't really what you're interested in. Career Services has adopted a new program that's based on a book called design your life. And so we spend a lot of appointments with students where we're talking about this program of life design, the things that you're interested in that 10 years old is not what you're sitting when you're 20 years old. It's not what you're sitting at 30 years old. So it's taking those interests and not saying any of them are bad, but we try to build upon those. What you're interested in at 20 years old is great, how does that develop for what you're interested in 30 years old, and then at 40 years old, so life design is kind of a taking those skills, taking what you learn and building upon it. And so we spend a lot of time doing that we have a life design educator now. Or life design representative and Career Services. Her name is Alexis Jackson. She does a great job. And also just programs throughout campus with the library on doing presentations that are usually 45 to 50 minutes, but talking about this life design, so it's it's a great system. Are we have some buddies at John Hopkins University that likes this program so much they built a building for life design. So those guys have a little more money than some schools. And so they have an actual building set up for life disarray,

Keith Rogers 5:23
they have deep pockets. Where we're trying to we're trying to, you know, deep in our pockets here at UNLV. Yes, similarly, but I wanted to maybe take a few steps back, if you could just maybe give us a high level overview for sort of career service is comprised of what.

Unknown Speaker 5:44
So curve services is comprised of several different individuals. So we have one of our employers has relationships with all the employers here in town. So working with businesses, so Career Services at UNLV has a main Career Services hub, but also the school business has its own hub. Hospitality has its own hub engineering has its own hub. So they have their own hub because they have so much more going on hospitality as you know, we're number one in the nation with hospitality say that one more time, number one in the nation for hospitality UNLV. And great people over there that work in hospitality, but you think of how big our hospitality is with MGM with Caesars with Bally's. So, so each hub has like its own functions. The main career center hub is there to support everything. So we have student workers that work with us, we have a GA that works with us. So our program is to network. So hospitality is networking, and Lee business schools, networking, engineering, schools, networking. And so we're doing our best to try to cover as many students as we can. And that's kind of what it is, it's really trying to take care of students. So with that, it's simple things, resumes, cover letters, help with interview, interview preparation. But then on top of that, we do workshops, so workshops will be coming to a class. And we can come to any different class on campus that asks us to come there. We can do things about resumes, and cover letters for the class presentation and workshops. But we can also help with interviews, life design, as I mentioned. So it's more of a broad scheme of networking, just across campus. And with all the campus partners. I mentioned the career fair coming up to so you can imagine hospitality business, we have a lot of employers that come to those career fairs, because they have a need, they have a need for employees, and they have a need for managers.

Keith Rogers 7:28
And could you speak to? who's able to receive the services?

Unknown Speaker 7:33
Yeah, so any student that's currently enrolled, any graduate student that's enrolled and alumni and so here's the thing that people don't know, or it's not talked about enough. So when you graduate from UNLV, with your degree, you get Career Services for the rest of your life. And so I did a lot of NSOs over the summer, new student orientations. And so I was talking to a lot of parents and I had parents like raising their hand with admission, like, What do you mean, if we graduate from UNLV? We get Career Services forever. And I was like, Absolutely. Over the summer, summer was pretty busy. I think of all the appointments I had over the summer. Without exaggeration, I'd say 85% were alumni, and not regular current students. So we had a lot of alumni coming back asking for help with resumes, asking help with interviews, things like that. So yeah, they get us forever.

Keith Rogers 8:16
All right, you know, I'm in the interim row. So I guess I need to come and see you. Schedule a meeting with Darren so I can brush up my interview skills, and what's that software that's available to prep? You him out? Stand

Unknown Speaker 8:30
up for the interview help? Yes.

Unknown Speaker 8:32
Yes. You know, as you talk about this, the thing that stood out for me is the idea that it says dedicated to the students. This is as a gift that we give that is given to the students to help them navigate their life, because even though they are students, the idea is that you're going to step into the world and have careers and have jobs. So can you talk to me about the meaningfulness of this work and why you think that this is an important resource for students to have?

Unknown Speaker 8:57
Yeah, in reality, this is one of the most important resources and it's something that they should take more advantage of. So we have quite a few appointments. We do quite a few workshops. But I think it's meaningful to them because it sets you up early for things that in this economy in this world, it things could change. Like a lot of people that get into one job, I always ask in a classroom workshop, I say how many of you know somebody that's done one job their entire life? Not many hands go up? 30 years ago, a lot of hands go up. Yeah, I got one guy, one person. My dad has been in one job for 50 years. But it's not like that anymore. people's interests, change, jobs, change the job market changes. So the better we can prepare him now for being comfortable with interviews, being comfortable asking questions in an interview, having a resume that's built really well having cover letters that are set up. So I think if you can prepare students really young for that and be prepared for that. I think it opens up a lot of fun for him too, because there's so many different jobs that are available right now. And there's so many jobs that are remote right now that they can work Another thing that's kind of a little hidden secret, and I don't know why it's a secret we're trying to get the word out more is we have micro internships available for students. So the company is Parker, Dewey, it is listed on our website. This is a super great organization, they communicate really well with us. But they're micro internships. So if a student is looking for, hey, I got some extra time, I want to look at one of these programs, they can apply some or shortest eight hours, somewhere as long as 40 hours. Parker do pay some direct. So we've been really pushing Parker Dewey, that, like I said, the relationship with them is so good. But this is an opportunity for students that, hey, summer breaks coming up, winter breaks coming up, maybe I should do this and apply for these, we have a lot of students that were involved, but we're trying to get even more. So we have a big goal to jump up our Parker Dewey registrations for especially this fall, but also for next spring to to really increase our relationship with them and have more students finish.

Unknown Speaker 10:52
Wow, this sounds like a real game changer for students, you know. And as you're talking, my first thought is, you know, we were talking about it before you came in about how no one really, most people don't have the preparation necessary to go into a job, your first job is, whatever you do in high school, and you can't get by with whatever a little bit of resume you had. So preparing students for professional life is actually a really wonderful thing and sets them up for success going down the road. So

Keith Rogers 11:20
absolutely. And I know that we hired probably 1000s of student workers are here on campus and elsewhere, could you speak to have the platform, the importance of the platform handshake?

Unknown Speaker 11:34
Yeah, that's, that's, that's been a real game changer. I think if you look at what handshake has done, and we've had it for over two years now here at UNLV handshake is really, we have really great support on the backside of it. It's made to be kind of a simple action to get set up, set your profile up, students use their aces account to log on, when they log on to it, we encourage them to set their profile up completely. So all their education experience all their work experience, really important thing too, as a volunteer experience. So we have a lot of student organizations and a lot of students on campus that do great volunteer work to include that and then you include your skill set. So are you good at Microsoft Outlook? Are you good at Google, and you list all your skills, then you can also attach your resume on handshake to so when you attach your resume, you have all that information in there and the handshake program, they can set up appointments with UNLV Career Services. So appointments can be set up, we can do them in person or virtual. So handshakes kind of the key that links all these things together. The other great part of it handshake is a system that it has a lot of rules and regulations to itself. So when an employer puts their information on handshake, handshake does a trust score. So they researched the company. The whole idea is that you want job postings to be good quality job postings for students, you don't want to apply for something that's not good. And we will get messages during the week, this employer is removed from handshake because they violated Terms of Service. So there's a check that goes on on the backside that when they're applying for jobs, that jobs are coming from really good employers. So they have that information that's available to them. So alumni also if they need help with handshake, we can help alumni with handshake also, and they can go in there and look at jobs. During I guess about August 10, August 12, I looked at handshake we had about I don't know I don't remember the number like 14,000 jobs that were posted and about, I think 1100 internships, that's numbers over 21,000 today. So you see that internships obviously post more at the start of school and start a semester. And I think it's over 4000 internships and over 16,000 jobs as of the last time I looked at this about a week ago, so there's a bunch The great thing about handshake is when students logged on they click jobs in the top left when they click jobs you got some little bubbles look full time part time internship and the greatest thing ever on campus jobs. So it is one click on there for the on campus jobs and I know I looked at this the other day there's like 65 listed

Keith Rogers 13:54
Yeah, we love handshake through my through my departments, you know, that's what we we've probably hired 90% of our student employees through the handshake platform.

Unknown Speaker 14:02
Yeah, I'm sitting here thinking about how I missed out in life like Where was

Keith Rogers 14:06
I know I started school. Two years too early right because you say two years it's been in

Unknown Speaker 14:11
where it was handshake when I was struggling with that job. That would have been wonderful. You and me both and standout you know one of the things that you mentioned, is this program called stamp out can you share some details about how that work?

Unknown Speaker 14:24
Yeah, standard was one of the things that I'm sure we pay a fee to have standout is under the undergraduate resources connection in the website. It is a practice interview. So when a student logs on with their Asus account, they have their own has their own standout account. So that's their account. So their account is in there when they go into it. The greatest part about it is just practice interviews so they can pick it's over 60 Different disciplines they can pick from if they want to interview for an architect if they want to interview for an accountant if they want to interview for a veterinarian, they can pick that. The other thing that's they can pick is easy, moderate or hard questions in the question list is over 3000 for the whole system. So they set it up, they get their computer, their laptop, they have the camera on, they have a virtual person that's going to ask them a question. As soon as that question is done, the computer records the response records how fast or slow they talk, and it records their comprehension of the questions. So when the reporter gets back on the interview questions is really good. But also what I tell students, I was like, watch the video of yourself. Most of them don't watch it, they were like, I don't want to see myself I want to see you know do about watching the video of yourself. See if you fidget, see, if you're hopping around your chairs, if you're playing with your hair, or you're doing whatever, see, if you're like me, you talk with your hands too much. So I say watch the video. So you know. And then if they spend 30 or 45 minutes practicing on stand out for a job interview, they will be comfortable. And that is a big thing. Because a lot of people they talk really fast, they don't think to pause for a couple seconds, think about what they're going to say. And so it's one of the best programs that I've seen. So when I got hired, and I was going through our programs, so for fun, I picked up I looked at standout. I was like well I want to do this for fun. So I'm looking through the disciplines. I was like, Well, let me try veterinarian. And let me try four questions. And so I picked the four questions. And I do it the best that I can in I got like a 79 on my score. And so I'm sitting there thinking I'm in the wrong job. I shouldn't be like working with animals and like whatever, cats dogs and doing something different. So no, sir. No. Okay. Well, sir,

Unknown Speaker 16:24
we need you in this job. Perhaps after retirement, you can dabble. But in this moment. You guys, we're glad you're We're glad you're here.

Keith Rogers 16:35
Meet you. And I know another another program I saw initiative. I'm assuming it's a recent initiative that's on the website, the rebels forward mentorship program. Could you talk a little bit about that?

Unknown Speaker 16:47
Yeah, that program has been out for a while we're trying to put some more effort into that and work with that program. So a lot of students where they come in, we have a lot of first gen students, we have a lot of students that just need assistance and need some guidance. And so rebels, Ford mentors to match students with a mentor, somebody that can guide them and help them out. There's so many services that are offered at UNLV. There's so many different things that we have, there's so many different functions. I think a mentor can really help guide students and help guide them along the way. And say you have this resource, you have this resource, you have these you have a Wellness Center at the Rec, which I think gets forgotten sometimes that that's there for students. And so there's different things like that, that the mentorship really does. It always helps to have somebody with, you know, with their arm around them to try to guide them off from assistance, especially if they need somebody to talk to you. Because college is difficult. Universities are difficult. There's a lot of things that go on here that are really challenging. So anybody else that you can rely on is a big deal colleges, Southern Nevada, I work with a program called Nevada promise. And that's a mentorship program through a scholarship. I've been doing that for a couple of years now. And I love it. It's a great program, because it's just offering guidance and offering support, which is what what a lot of students need.

Unknown Speaker 17:52
Absolutely absolutely so essential to seek support in our areas, because we all have strengths and struggles, right. So support makes a great difference. Having someone who you can have a conversation with seeking support in in variety of ways. Some of it can be family, some of it can be friends, but the university is built to help students succeed. So I hope that students take more advantage of that support, whether it's through mental health through a mentor, or through a professor or someone else who you feel that you can confide in and have a conversation with. So thank you for highlighting support as part of the success strategy for students.

Keith Rogers 18:28
I know you mentioned as part of your origin story, you sort of jumped ahead, you talked about sort of some upcoming events. So could you share with our listeners some of those opportunities to connect with employers? Yes, sir,

Unknown Speaker 18:41
we have a couple of really good ones, too. So on September 19, we have a program that we did last spring, and we've kind of modified it for this fall coat. So it's called prepare for the fair. So we'll be in the student union room 208, I think we're taking over a and b. And so from 11 o'clock to four o'clock that day, there will be myself and other representatives from Career Services there just to help students with their resumes. So this is exactly a week before a big career fair, Thomas and Mack. So the idea with that day of prepare for the fair is that they can come in, we'll look at resumes, we'll have different PowerPoint presentations going on, on how to dress for a career fair things to have ready your resume, how to be prepared. And so we'll have that going on from four o'clock to five o'clock. We actually have employers coming in. So there'll be an employer panel there that will work with a panelist on just discussions of what are you guys looking for right now for employees? What are you guys looking for on resumes? What's your demands right now in your market, and we have a big variety of employers coming in. So it's not just like hospitality or engineering or business. It's going to be a variety of across a different spectrum of employers to have their tested questions and then a mixer from five o'clock to six o'clock. So students that are their alumni that are there, they can ask questions with the employers that are there. So that's going to be a big one. Like I said, we did one in the spring. This is kind of an expansion of that one. And then the career fair is going to be on the 26th of October. So it is that Thomas and Mack, they basically, if you walked in, tell us about that entire concourse, all the way around that building will be full of employers were maxed at 210. Wow. So the good thing too with like handshake here in the next couple weeks, I think we already have 180 registered as of today employers, so we only got slots for 30 left. But students can go into handshake and look at the fair and see the list of employers that are there. We'll give them this list when they get there. But what we encourage them to do is before you get to the fair look at the employers that are there, who do you want to work for? Research them, you can research them through handshake through their information there. But you can also go to their website, you can use LinkedIn, a lot of different ways to really you be prepared to come into this fair for all these employers that are going to be there. And it is a great event. So they every employer, there will have at least two recruiters, we have a lot of really good loyal companies that have been doing this for years, we have companies that are sponsors with UNLV. So the connections that are there are great. And like I said, all these students are going to be invited to this, of course, all the graduate students and all the alumni are invited to so we usually get a pretty big turnout for these events. And this is going to be a big one coming up. For

Keith Rogers 21:02
the prepare for the fair event. How do students register, they will

Unknown Speaker 21:06
register your handshake. So handshake has both of these listed the registration for the career fair is not open quite yet. But they don't have to register for the career fair. They can just show up and we'll register in there. Prepare for the fair, I think we're limited to for that for attendance, too. So I think that registration is open right now that they can register is that in person only? Yeah, it's in personally, we haven't done virtual with either one of these events. We did a virtual career for this past spring. And it was just kind of, hey, we're out of the pandemic. Now. Let's see face to face or whatever. So yeah, so no virtual with the career fair or with prepare for the fair. Now that that's brought up, I might have to ask that question, though. People might say maybe we should have this.

Keith Rogers 21:42
Well, maybe asynchronous? Yeah, that would be especially the panel, the panel session.

Unknown Speaker 21:46
Yeah, especially the panel session. So I want to hear stories. So tell me about some of your stories that you've encountered, particularly your success stories for people who have utilized your services.

Unknown Speaker 21:57
Man, I don't know where to start. So. So we have a lot of things that come up with students and with alumni that are interesting, too. So one of the one of the stories that I tell is that I had a student come up, and we're having a session about making the resume better. And so the student was very worried that they had nothing, and they're like, I don't have anything, man. He goes, I worked at a movie theater. And so his idea was, that wasn't nothing that was good enough to talk about and get a job out of that. So we sit there and start discussing Well, what do you do at the movie theater? And he's like, I did nothing. I just would, I would I would take money. And I would serve people popcorn and candy. And and so the impression that they had was that this was not a big deal, right? So when you start talking about something like this with myself or even other my other counterpart, career coaches, because we're all great, of course, is that so we start talking about how can we make this sound like really awesome. So we start talking about how many customers he saw in a day on a shift. So we ended up coming up with like a pretty big number, like 75, or 85, or whatever it was. So we come up with that number. So that makes the resume look better. So met with and handled 75 or 80 customers on a shift. So that's a big number that looks good on the resume. And so then we start talking, I was like, well, what's the other part is the money? How much money did you intake on that? I was like, that's I went to the movie theater man, like two sodas and popcorn costs like 40 bucks. And so we end up going through the money. So we add another one of cash handling of over $4,000 per shift, they have to balance a drawer, a cash drawer when they're working there, right, they got so much money to start with, they got to balance it at the end of receipts. So we ended up taking these things with the resume and adding the number of people that he saw adding the amount of money which is big, cash, handling cash, credit cards, all this different variations, right. And then we talked about the training that that person did, because I was like how much training they give you. He's like, Oh, they made us watch all these videos. And I was like videos about customer service. He's like, Yeah, videos about the movie theater, about customer service, about safety, if there was ever an issue, fire, whatever. And so I was like, that's another part to put in your resume. That sounds great that you had these hours of training that covered all these different things, including some Human Resources Information. If I'm sick, I have to call this person if I don't feel well at work, I have to contact this person. We have the safety things that are that are involved with this. So we take this person that Oh, no, this man my job is nothing or whatever. But you take can take things like that. And that's what we help with. We make them look really good. I keep telling people we're gonna in and out hamburgers, awesome, because you deal with all these customers, you deal with all this money. And you're also dealing with what you're doing with inventory. I was like putting cups and napkins and ketchup packets and something is inventory management. That's how we describe it. I was like these are so these are great things so so there's there's fun things like that that we encounter. With the alumni we probably encounter even more interesting information because they've already been in the workforce for 10 years or whatever. And so you get some fun stories from them that you take in, you're like alright, we need to help you with getting this fixed up on your resume and make it look good. So it's quite a bit of that.

Keith Rogers 24:55
Now, what are some tips that you would give students who are unsure what type of career they want to pursue

Unknown Speaker 25:01
a it's it really there's a lot of different ways to look at that. From our standpoint right now really, we like the Life Design program. And that's what we're really pushing. And that comes from the administration to at UNLV. They like life design program, because you have a discussion about what do you really want to do? And so with the Life Design program, you're really asking about, what do you want to do when you're younger? Why are you doing something different? Now? When I talk to students about life design, I do class workshops where I would like design and I always ask the class, the first few minutes of the program, I say, What's your major. And so you go and listen to all the majors from all the students, and you try to get like six or eight, so you have different ones. So then after you talk about the life design program, and how you're talking about building upon your curiosity of what you want to do, and edit this information, then always stop and always say, Alright, everybody that told me their resume, tell me what you like to do. So are telling your after you tell me your major, how much you like to do. And they're like, What do you mean, I was like, What are you interested in? And so had a student front row psychology major, we go on to what do you like to do like to work on cars, and talked about this for like four or five minutes, I like to rebuild engines, I like the electronics of cars, I like to take apart transmissions. And so at the end of class, I just want to trust that, hey, if you want to have a meeting, have a meeting. I was like, you might be in the wrong thing, man. I was like, if you really like to work on cars, I don't want to push anybody out of school. But if that's what you'd like to do, what are you gonna do with a psychology degree? Maybe go business, and then become a business manager and work in automotive. And that's how our discussion went, guess where that guy's at now? Where business school? Wow.

Unknown Speaker 26:33
So definitely not working on cars. That's what we'll be doing.

Unknown Speaker 26:36
I mean, you just never know. But that's kind of how the counseling goes, where you're just asking you really ask them what they want to do. And just try to make sure that they're on the right path, not mom and dad put me in this major or said I should major in this. Not because some other family member did it. It's just really kind of thinking about what you really want to do. What's going to make you happy when you go to work in the day, are you going to be happy doing this job? Whatever it is? And that's a question that probably doesn't come up enough anymore, either. So

Unknown Speaker 27:02
okay, so finding their path, you find them find their path. Wonderful. So, um, I guess, you know, as you think as, as we were talking about, and then you mentioned, people finding their degree field and being pressured to do one degree versus another. I love that you give them language, in terms of how to how to talk about what they've done. But I also love that you give them permission to find their path instead of the path that they were given. And as I think about that, I wonder, were there any students that came back and told you that, hey, I've noticed that I'm on the wrong path,

Unknown Speaker 27:39
we do, we get quite a bit of feedback. So we'll get we try to give business cards and email addresses to the students that we work with. And I've gotten several emails back from, from different students over the course of time that say, this was a good idea. This was not a good idea. This helped me think about this a different, everybody's situation is different, where they're from what they're dealing with, with family. And that's why he asked those questions. You know, when we have a meeting with the student, one on one, you try to use the first, you know, three to five minutes to just build some rapport. Hey, where are you from? What are you studying? I always ask him, hey, what your parents or grandparents would do? What kind of steered you towards the the degree you're working on now. And just try to build that rapport build that comfort, because that way they know they have somebody that they can trust. And that's what we're there for. So they can trust us, and we can try to help them out. But yeah, there's lots of different choices that go will go along those lines too, especially at the school. The great thing about the schools, we have a lot of degree plans. And for the graduate school, we have a lot of degree plans in the graduate school, and they have a lot of options when they come to this university. And that's just a benefit that they have.

Keith Rogers 28:39
All right, we'll get you out of here on this final question. Anything that you wish we had asked that we didn't ask or that you would like to share with our listeners, or if you just want to plug your plug that event that's coming up one more time,

Unknown Speaker 28:50
I think we covered a lot of it our one thing that we have done at career services as if we have moved locations. So we are now at the Gateway building across Maryland Parkway. And so everybody always says the easiest way to find us is we're above crumble cookie. So we are on the second floor. So it's a little bit of a hike for some people who are on campus to get to us now. But what I tell them burn the coolest building on campus if there's a pool on top of the roof. Nobody else has that. So it's not ours, but it's still cool. So yeah, and then the Career Fair of course on the 26th so be prepared come calm if you need help. Get an appointment with us now we will help you be ready for that.

Unknown Speaker 29:24
Well, you had made crumble cookies.

Keith Rogers 29:28
Darren, thank you for joining us. All right, man. Appreciate it.

Dr. Renee Watson 29:34
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