The Story of Cursor: The Fastest AI Company and Massive Comeback

Things people aren't talking about enough: Cursor’s rapid growth, its role as an AI coding harness, and the data and training advantages that may support its moat. 

With the reported SpaceX and xAI deal, there's a real possibility of combining Cursor with Grok and large-scale compute.

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TIMESTAMPS

0:00 The Cursor Story
1:54 The Harness Moat
4:51 Budgets and Data
8:59 The Deals
12:31 The Vision
14:58 Concerns
17:23 Final Takes

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Ejaaz Ahamadeen

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Josh Kale

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Josh:
The story of Cursor is quite possibly the greatest comeback story in the history of AI.

Josh:
Just 90 days ago, some of the smartest people in tech had completely buried this company.

Josh:
They gave up on it. And Cursor was just an AI rapper that had raised too much

Josh:
money and Anthropik was about to crush them.

Josh:
Then seemingly overnight, everything changed. If you look back to January of

Josh:
last year, they were running at about $100 million in ARR.

Josh:
Fast forward to today, that number is 3 billion. This is one of the fastest

Josh:
software ramps in history, way faster than open AI. So why?

Josh:
And on this episode, we're going to discover the moat that just about every

Josh:
single critic on the internet missed.

Ejaaz:
To truly understand how impressive of a run-up Cursor's had,

Ejaaz:
we have to start from the beginning.

Ejaaz:
So Cursor was founded by four MIT graduates in 2022.

Ejaaz:
Their founder, Michael Trull, is only 25 years old right now.

Ejaaz:
He was 23 when it was founded. So it's an incredibly young team.

Ejaaz:
All four of these founders, by the way, are on the Forbes 30 under 30 list.

Ejaaz:
So massively successful young company. But what were they building?

Ejaaz:
Well, they discovered a problem. If all these new AI models like Claude,

Ejaaz:
like ChatGPT could code for people, you would still need some sort of a system,

Ejaaz:
some form of a harness, some form of a coding editor to be modernized around new AI coding models.

Ejaaz:
Traditionally, you would have an IDE, an integrated developer environment,

Ejaaz:
and you would use this to kind of like edit your software, see what the code

Ejaaz:
looks like in reality, like right next to it, side-by-side screen.

Ejaaz:
But there was nothing quite for that when it came to coding AI models.

Ejaaz:
Cursor wanted to be that. And so they forked VS Code, which is a popular open-source

Ejaaz:
software program from Microsoft, and they created what critics ended up calling it a wrapper, a

Ejaaz:
Initially, the criticism was, this is just an AI wrapper and the actual brain,

Ejaaz:
the AI models are the smartest thing and the most valuable thing.

Ejaaz:
And they'll eventually replace the wrapper.

Ejaaz:
That actually didn't end up happening. If you look at this crazy growth curve

Ejaaz:
that we have on the screen right now, they started off in Jan 2025 with $100 million ARR.

Ejaaz:
That then 5X'd a few months later to $500 million.

Ejaaz:
And then by the end of 2025, they were at $1 billion. And then we just got the

Ejaaz:
news this week that they hit $3 billion. Now,

Ejaaz:
What's crazy about this is their projection for the end of this year is $6 billion.

Ejaaz:
I actually think they might kind of blow the roof on this entirely.

Ejaaz:
It sounds similar to Anthropic because Anthropic started with Claude Code and

Ejaaz:
they had this kind of like meteoric exponential rise.

Ejaaz:
The same thing is happening with Cursor, but they have a very different mode.

Ejaaz:
67% of the Fortune 500 companies all use Cursor and they went from being the

Ejaaz:
hottest commodity to the most criticized commodity to now potentially being

Ejaaz:
acquired by one of the biggest frontier AI labs in the world.

Josh:
Yeah, it's amazing how quick the ties have turned. I remember back in the day,

Josh:
Cursor was actually the hottest piece of software in AI because everyone was using it to write code.

Josh:
Then the AI models that came out like ChatGPT and Anthropics Claude,

Josh:
they kind of crushed it. Everyone forgot about it.

Josh:
The comeback story is huge and it's a testament to where the AI industry is headed now.

Josh:
A big part of this we're gonna talk about all the time is Harness.

Josh:
This Harness, if you think about like a human being and the LLM being the brain,

Josh:
a basic LLM is kind of like a brain that's been concussed a thousand times.

Josh:
It has no memory it has no ability to kind of

Josh:
function outside of itself the harness is the

Josh:
body it's the containing mechanism that provides the

Josh:
system with memory it provides the system with custom tool

Josh:
sets and inputs and outputs and it gives it everything it needs to think

Josh:
critically so that's why you'll notice that on some of these harness companies

Josh:
they're actually just making a living off of building harnesses for ai models

Josh:
in the hopes they could do so better than companies like anthropic better than

Josh:
companies like open ai and funny enough even though they made some progress

Josh:
in creating these harnesses,

Josh:
people were still kind of writing them off as trivial and non-necessary.

Josh:
Because, I mean, if you think about it, Anthropic has the intelligence.

Josh:
OpenAI has the intelligence. Why is just a rapper going to make a difference on that?

Josh:
And I think that was the single point that a lot of people got confused on and tripped up on,

Josh:
And that's not necessarily true.

Ejaaz:
Yeah, I think the best way to analogize around this is if an AI model is the

Ejaaz:
brain, you still need a bunch of appendages. You still need the eyes to take in data.

Ejaaz:
You still need ears to hear things. You still need a body, a medium to kind

Ejaaz:
of like translate that intelligence into the real life, right?

Ejaaz:
That is basically what Cursor is to all these different AI models.

Ejaaz:
And that's what they have proven. So what is this exact product?

Ejaaz:
What is this exact moat that Cursor has? It's known as the agent harness, as you just mentioned.

Ejaaz:
And the way to think about it is it's kind of like a scaffolding that turns

Ejaaz:
like a role model into an autonomous coding agent that can manage its time well,

Ejaaz:
learn when to use a prompt for what particular intent or purpose,

Ejaaz:
and most importantly, do it efficiently.

Ejaaz:
There was news that broke this week that Microsoft is now relinquishing all

Ejaaz:
their employees' access to Claude Code because they're just using way too much

Ejaaz:
money of the budget that Microsoft has for it.

Ejaaz:
Uber, they had an annual budget at the start of this year for all their employees.

Ejaaz:
All their employees burned through it in four months. It's completely gone.

Ejaaz:
So everyone's trying to like reassess how the best way is to use the different

Ejaaz:
coding models. It's kind of like they're using it as kind of like a blunt tool.

Ejaaz:
They're kind of like throwing kind of like stuff at it and like hoping it would

Ejaaz:
like come up with an answer. It's very inefficient.

Ejaaz:
Cursor is the number one product to kind of like formalize all of this and make

Ejaaz:
you kind of like an additional genius on top of like what you're already prompting

Ejaaz:
with these coding models.

Ejaaz:
So the way that the harness works is you kind of build up different aspects

Ejaaz:
of it. You kind of like teach it how to use muscle memory in the correct way

Ejaaz:
when it comes to specific flows or coding programs that you're working on.

Ejaaz:
It teaches you how to manage your work. It spins up different types of agents.

Ejaaz:
It gives the agents specific personalities.

Ejaaz:
It orchestrates these agents across effectively all the workflows.

Ejaaz:
So if you're a company, this is hugely important because you have many different

Ejaaz:
sub teams that are doing this particular thing.

Ejaaz:
And then, of course, this is translated into a distribution for Cursor itself.

Ejaaz:
So I mentioned companies, 67% of Fortune 500 companies use Cursor.

Ejaaz:
And they may say like, hey, we use Claude Code or we use GPT 5.5,

Ejaaz:
but it is through Cursor.

Ejaaz:
So they're the surrounding environment that has been able to build this.

Josh:
Yeah, when we think about moats, there are some pretty unexpected ones that

Josh:
I found out in researching about Cursor.

Josh:
Did you know that three quarters of Cursor's final compute was their own reinforcement learning training?

Josh:
A lot of it was done internally and proprietary.

Josh:
This isn't stuff that you can find on GitHub. This isn't open source data.

Josh:
And they also have a tremendous amount of data on how millions of developers

Josh:
actually accept, reject, and edit their suggestions.

Josh:
And that feedback loop is a really big data set that's also proprietary.

Josh:
So they take all these data sets they loop them together and

Josh:
they build in this really refined reinforcement learning stack

Josh:
on top of the harness that creates a bit of a moat

Josh:
that other companies don't have and that data is

Josh:
incredibly valuable because a lot of other companies they'll create

Josh:
a wrapper it's just an api to another model they don't actually

Josh:
get the full training loop there cursor has figured this

Josh:
out and they've done so and their new model proves this

Josh:
thesis because now cursor isn't just a harness company cursor

Josh:
is actually creating very highly intelligent models most

Josh:
recently with cursor 2.5 which i believe is just as

Josh:
good as claude opus 4.7 and gpt 5.5 high at least on some benchmarks like this

Josh:
is incredibly impressive to go from just a wrapper company to an incredibly

Josh:
powerful harness with a leading edge frontier model i mean we just covered google

Josh:
last week they didn't even get

Josh:
to the frontier and now suddenly cursor is this is a pretty big deal okay.

Ejaaz:
So some some fun facts from their recent model uh that i i really really enjoy so number one.

Ejaaz:
It is trained on a completely open source model, which is significantly smaller

Ejaaz:
than the current frontier models that come out of Anthropic or OpenAI.

Ejaaz:
It's called KimiK 2.5. Now, if you are reading that or listening to that and

Ejaaz:
thinking, hmm, isn't that like a

Ejaaz:
Kimi K 2.6, you'd be right. But they used an older model and still built a harness

Ejaaz:
around it that competes directly with Opus 4.7 Max and GBT 5.5 Extra High.

Ejaaz:
I'm showing you on the screen here.

Ejaaz:
If you look at it, the discrepancy is literally like 0.5 or like a one percentage point.

Ejaaz:
But a few things that I want to suggest here is look at how cheap Composer 2.5,

Ejaaz:
which is Cursor's Frontier model is compared to GPT-505 Extra High and Opus

Ejaaz:
4.7, despite being as good.

Ejaaz:
It is four times, sorry, it is eight times cheaper than GPT-5.5 and 11 to 12 times cheaper than 4.7.

Ejaaz:
But I also want to point out that another Frontier AI Lab released their model this week.

Ejaaz:
It is Google Gemini 3.5 Flash.

Ejaaz:
And it not only is dumber technically than Composer 2.5, this harness that is

Ejaaz:
wrapped around just a small, careless open source model, but it is also four times more expensive.

Ejaaz:
So the point I'm trying to make here is this proves the thesis that the harness is the moat.

Ejaaz:
And actually, Sam Altman recently commented on this saying, I don't get all

Ejaaz:
the criticism around agent harnesses.

Ejaaz:
It is quite obvious that you have foundational pre-training and post-training

Ejaaz:
of a foundational model, but then you also need to wrap all this orchestration layer around that.

Ejaaz:
And Cursor is the only one or the number one company right now to have built that moat.

Ejaaz:
Sam Altman himself tried to acquire and they rejected.

Josh:
That's funny. Yes, I got to give Sam credit. He saw this coming.

Josh:
He knew what was happening. He tried to acquire them. I believe the number was $3 billion at the time.

Josh:
Now their ARR is double that. So clearly it was a good deal that he would have had.

Josh:
They rejected it for a good reason. But there is a new entrant into this deal space.

Josh:
We've mentioned it before. If you've been listening to the show,

Josh:
it's Elon and SpaceX. they have acquired the option to purchase Cursor.

Josh:
Now, that option was $10 billion guaranteed to Cursor.

Josh:
No matter what happens, Cursor gets $10 billion, SpaceX gets paid out, zero for that.

Josh:
That gives them the right, the option to buy Cursor outright for $60 billion

Josh:
within the first 30 days of their IPO.

Josh:
Now, we have new information on this IPO in that it is likely going to launch June 12th.

Josh:
So SpaceX is now on the clock. They have until the middle

Josh:
of July to decide if they want to spend 60 billion

Josh:
dollars or not to acquire this company it seems as

Josh:
if the decision has already been made it seems that elon

Josh:
is going to indeed buy spacex and now the

Josh:
new number is 20 times what sam altman offered at 60 billion dollars so clearly

Josh:
the value is being realized and now this is being bundled into a pretty impressive

Josh:
frontier ai company i mean spacex has the data centers in space they have all

Josh:
the infrastructure they've been leasing out their Colossus Data Centers to Anthropic.

Josh:
All of those resources are going to be available to the Cursor team.

Josh:
And I have to imagine that combining XAI with Cursor is going to create a pretty

Josh:
meaningful run on the new Frontier.

Josh:
And Anthropic and OpenAI are going to have some serious competition incoming.

Ejaaz:
Yeah, I think it's important to point out why this deal is so symbiotic between

Ejaaz:
both of these companies.

Ejaaz:
So Cursor runs into a problem, right? They have this amazing agent harness,

Ejaaz:
but they're always reliant on waiting for Frontier AI Labs to release a new model.

Ejaaz:
And then build a new harness around them, right? So they're like,

Ejaaz:
okay, well, I wish we could build our own models, but like we don't have enough compute.

Ejaaz:
So I guess we'll take this open source model and wrap our harness around it.

Ejaaz:
Ideally, you get access to the foundational frontier American model first.

Ejaaz:
So Elon saw this and said, hey, not only will I give you the compute,

Ejaaz:
I'll give you access to my frontier model, Grok, which gets to train on a million plus

Ejaaz:
Bleeding edge GPUs that I have in Colossus 1, 2, and in the future, 3.

Ejaaz:
So Michael Truel saw this and was like, hell yeah, we'll take the compute and

Ejaaz:
you give me an optional buyout of $60 billion if this goes well or $10 billion

Ejaaz:
for the compute if this goes like a pear shape. So that's completely fine for me.

Ejaaz:
Now on Elon's side, he wants nothing more than to beat Sam Altman, OpenAI specifically.

Ejaaz:
Currently, Sam Altman is sitting somewhere near the top. So he did two things.

Ejaaz:
He partnered with Dario and Anthropic recently to give them compute and like

Ejaaz:
make more money off of that. But most importantly, he intends to acquire Cursor

Ejaaz:
specifically so that he can get access to this harness and wrap it around Grok.

Ejaaz:
So Grok overnight ends up becoming probably somewhere near the number one coding AI model.

Ejaaz:
And that instantly puts Elon in the mix for the most important AI race in the world, which is coding.

Josh:
Yeah, like if you believe that AI writes most software over the next five years,

Josh:
then Cursor becomes a tollbooth.

Josh:
And this is something that Grok didn't have previously. They've been trying to build a coding model.

Josh:
It hasn't been going super great. They're training some now.

Josh:
But Cursor gives them a shortcut right to the front. And owning that tollbooth

Josh:
is far more valuable than owning the cars that run by it.

Josh:
And that's basically what Grok was prior to the acquisition of Cursor and the harness.

Josh:
So now Elon is assembling this full vertical stack.

Josh:
He has rockets to deploy the satellites, satellites to deliver bandwidth, X to capture attention,

Josh:
colossus to train the models and cursor to write the software as

Josh:
the toll booth then there's grok on top of all this to

Josh:
talk to the users it's this really unbelievably compelling stack and

Josh:
i think spacex has this super unique ability to

Josh:
kind of change the ai industry

Josh:
at their will like currently they're empowering anthropic by giving them

Josh:
the data centers but we both know there's a three-month option on that

Josh:
that they're not beholden to so in the case that cursor does

Josh:
really come up with some breakthrough training in the case that cursor comes

Josh:
up with some breakthrough models it needs all the trading data they can claw

Josh:
that back and it sounds like they're kind of testing that now with these larger

Josh:
models they i mean this post is teasing elon with a half trillion grok model

Josh:
and then a 1.5 trillion parameter model so they're increasing the size fairly quickly.

Ejaaz:
Yeah elon has publicly stated uh recently that he has got a 15 trillion parameter

Ejaaz:
model and in the future very near future 20 trillion parameter model now the

Ejaaz:
15 trillion parameter model plans to go live in July,

Ejaaz:
if he's using Cursor's agent harness and data mode to feed Grok into becoming

Ejaaz:
a frontier coding AI model,

Ejaaz:
we may get this number one frontier

Ejaaz:
coding model to compete with Anthropic and OpenAI as soon as July,

Ejaaz:
which is insane, given that the IPO is happening very soon, and they're looking

Ejaaz:
for different new revenue incomes, and they need a reason to kind of like propel them even further.

Ejaaz:
And then like, there's the other part of this, which you kind of

Ejaaz:
you obviously needed so much more compute to kind of like feed these different

Ejaaz:
models. And SpaceX is the number one company to scale that massively.

Ejaaz:
They're doing this through space, through AI data centers, which people still

Ejaaz:
think is a fairy tale, but ends up probably becoming the most feasible one given

Ejaaz:
all the power constraints on earth.

Ejaaz:
So Cursor not only gets acquired by a frontier AI lab, by a guy that is obsessed with scaling things.

Ejaaz:
And so like if he can scale the harness, it's a win-win for them.

Ejaaz:
But also the tollway booth to infinite compute that could make Composer 2.5,

Ejaaz:
3, 4.5, 5, the number one leading model in the entire world. It's pretty cool.

Josh:
It seems cool, but there are a few risks. There's a few things that we need

Josh:
to look out for, a few landmines that still could be stepped on,

Josh:
things to take note of, one of those being that Composer 2.5,

Josh:
it does still run on Kimi K 2.5 weights,

Josh:
which is the model from the Chinese lab, Moonshot AI,

Josh:
and Cursor runs it on Cursor's own infrastructure.

Josh:
So user code routes to Cursor servers, not moonshots.

Josh:
So the data is defensible, but the actual model is not.

Josh:
We'll see if they can continue that with the Grok models.

Josh:
I'm assuming that's what's going to happen is Cursor is going to shift their

Josh:
harness to fully support Grok and we'll see.

Josh:
I mean, XAI has not historically been at the frontier, been able to create the most capable models.

Josh:
I will say they're the most price performant models. And that's really interesting

Josh:
for the case for a Cursor.

Josh:
But it is something to note that the current underlying technology is still

Josh:
that Chinese lab from Moonshot.

Josh:
It's not an actual AI model that they own. So that is one wildcard that I think is noteworthy.

Ejaaz:
I see the other criticism is also the commodity thing, right?

Ejaaz:
They're saying, OK, well, if Curse has been able to build this agent harness,

Ejaaz:
what's stopping a really well-funded competitor from doing the same?

Ejaaz:
The same reason why you would give that to Anthropica, you wouldn't make that

Ejaaz:
argument to Anthropica OpenAir.

Ejaaz:
They have the lead right now. And I would actually argue that they have a more

Ejaaz:
distinct lead because the harness isn't just one thing.

Ejaaz:
It is multiple singular things that you need to kind of orchestrate and combine

Ejaaz:
into one thing. You've got the memory side of things. You've got the agent creation.

Ejaaz:
You've got MD file management. You've got all these tool orchestrations.

Ejaaz:
There's so many different things that Cursor does well, which is exactly why

Ejaaz:
Winsurf and a bunch of other competitors hasn't really

Ejaaz:
been able to translate what cursor has been able to do

Ejaaz:
so i don't think that's a major issue i also think like to

Ejaaz:
be honest like um the chinese open source model whether

Ejaaz:
it is that or not isn't really um a

Ejaaz:
point of contention here because i know when they get access to a western model

Ejaaz:
specifically grok they'll be able to do an even better job the proof in the

Ejaaz:
pudding is they took opus 4.7 and they took gpt 5.5 and they wrapped cursor's

Ejaaz:
harness around it and it ended up giving them a 10 to 20 percentage point increase

Ejaaz:
across all key benchmarks.

Ejaaz:
So the point is, the agent is definitely very valuable. And I think if Elon

Ejaaz:
and Grok and Kursa work closely together right from the foundational model training,

Ejaaz:
you know, they see what the architecture is being used on a Colossus one right

Ejaaz:
from the ground up, they'll be able to create something pretty special, in my opinion.

Josh:
Yeah, I think I am going to remain pretty bullish on SpaceX, bullish on Cursor.

Josh:
I mean, we saw what happened when OpenAI acquired Windsurf.

Josh:
Codex very quickly got very good. And I'm sure they took a lot of that data and rolled it into it.

Josh:
And now Codex is probably the top coding harness, if not very close,

Josh:
right, neck and neck with CloudCode.

Josh:
So these things do make a meaningful difference.

Josh:
It's clear that SpaceX has been trying to get into the world of coding.

Josh:
Cursor is going to be that company. One thing to note is when this company sells for $60 billion.

Josh:
The CEO is 25 years old. We mentioned this on the roundup last week,

Josh:
if you were listening, but he's probably going to become the youngest billionaire in the world.

Josh:
That's pretty exciting. That's got to feel good. And I wonder what the integration

Josh:
between those companies looks like. A lot of these acquisitions that we find are acqui-hires.

Josh:
They are to acquire talent. So we'll see how the talent gets distributed,

Josh:
but a huge exit nonetheless.

Josh:
I mean, I remember, what was it last year? Maybe it feels like an eternity ago,

Josh:
but like Cursor actually was the hottest software on the block.

Josh:
Everyone was using Cursor. Everyone was really excited to write agentic code

Josh:
that was when vibe coding didn't even exist it could

Josh:
just kind of help you complete sentences now the whole world has shifted and

Josh:
cursor has gone through the entire narrative cycle of being the hottest thing

Josh:
in the world to being dead and now being right back at that frontier helping

Josh:
xai um push themselves to the frontier so it's a huge comeback story and just

Josh:
like it it's a good time to be bullish on cursor you.

Ejaaz:
Know i just realized something. There's a really hot new job role that is becoming

Ejaaz:
more pervasive in AI, and it is called the Forward Deployed Engineer.

Ejaaz:
Anthropic and OpenAI are like obsessed with this role. And what it is,

Ejaaz:
is basically an engineer slash consultant, which goes into enterprise companies

Ejaaz:
and teaches them how to use Clawed or GPT in an effective manner.

Ejaaz:
And the number one problem they're trying to solve is how does all this tool

Ejaaz:
use actually make sense?

Ejaaz:
Like we need to create custom tool use, we need to create a custom agent,

Ejaaz:
we need to create custom orchestration management,

Ejaaz:
Sounds pretty much like cursor and i i wonder

Ejaaz:
if there's a world in the future where um you don't need

Ejaaz:
to get a forward deployed uh employee to

Ejaaz:
come in and like kind of build it from the ground up custom systems for your

Ejaaz:
company you just have cursor which has an orchestrated tool which does all of

Ejaaz:
this for you and that becomes the kind of like new sas version of this forward

Ejaaz:
deployed engineer um yeah either either way i i'm impressed with cursors uh

Ejaaz:
kind of like bouncing around but

Ejaaz:
like undeniable assent as of recent.

Ejaaz:
At 25 years old, Forbes 30 under 30, he's not in jail. So he's hopefully breaking the stereotype.

Ejaaz:
We still have time. We have around probably 60 days until the IPO and potential acquisition.

Ejaaz:
But that is the story of Cursor. We thought it was a really important story

Ejaaz:
to tell, mainly because it was birthed off of my, I'll speak for myself,

Ejaaz:
my own kind of like incorrectness around calling Cursor a rapper.

Ejaaz:
Sometime last year, I was like, they're going to get replaced by Anthropic.

Ejaaz:
But we had a learning recently that I was like, that's definitely not the case.

Ejaaz:
And they have a moat that we haven't spoken about on the show so far.

Ejaaz:
So we hope you found this informative.

Ejaaz:
And we're going to keep tracking all of these processes going forwards.

Ejaaz:
Josh, do you have any final words?

Josh:
Well, that's the moat. That's the change of heart. In fact, you wrote about

Josh:
it this week on our newsletter.

Josh:
So if you're not subscribed to the newsletter, you can do and go read that piece

Josh:
on where this change of heart came from and kind of the complimentary version

Josh:
to this podcast episode.

Josh:
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Josh:
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Josh:
much for watching see you guys.