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Seth Holehouse is a TV personality, YouTuber, podcaster, and patriot who became a household name in 2020 after his video exposing election fraud was tweeted, shared, uploaded, and pinned by President Donald Trump — reaching hundreds of millions worldwide.
Titled The Plot to Steal America, the video was created with a mission to warn Americans about the communist threat to our nation—a mission that’s been at the forefront of Seth’s life for nearly two decades.
After 10 years behind the scenes at The Epoch Times, launching his own show was the logical next step. Since its debut, Seth’s show “Man in America” has garnered 1M+ viewers on a monthly basis as his commitment to bring hope to patriots and to fight communism and socialism grows daily. His guests have included Peter Navarro, Kash Patel, Senator Wendy Rogers, General Michael Flynn, and General Robert Spalding.
He is also a regular speaker at the “ReAwaken America Tour” alongside Eric Trump, Mike Lindell, Gen. Flynn.
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Man in America. I'm your host Seth Holehouse. So I've interviewed a lot of different types of people but I just say that one of my favorite kinds of folks to interview are people that do what I'm doing. People that get a chance to interview people from all across different spectrums whether they're doctors or lawyers or researchers or whistleblowers or even moms and parents and so joining us today is a woman who's been doing this for quite some time much longer than I have named Sarah Westall, and perhaps you've heard her before, but she's got an incredible podcast, and so we're just gonna have a very real and sober conversation about where the world's at, where we're heading, and how we can be more proactive, make sure it heads in the right direction. So folks, think you're really going to enjoy this discussion with Sarah Westall.
Seth Holehouse:Before we get started, make sure you're following me on social media maninamerica in most places, and on Twitter's maninamericaus. Every show is done as a podcast as well. So if you want to listen instead of watch, just go to your favorite podcast app and search for Man in America and you'll find me there. Alright, folks. Let's jump in this interview with Sarah Westall.
Seth Holehouse:Sarah, it is such a pleasure to have you on the show. I I really appreciate you coming on today.
Speaker 2:Thank you so much for inviting me, Seth. I really appreciate it.
Seth Holehouse:Absolutely. And so for just to start with the people that aren't familiar with you, you've got an amazing show. I usually listen to you via podcast. I just had you on Apple Podcasts, I get the notifications every time. But give folks a little background of just what what you do as I a truth teller and as a journalist so people can understand our conversation a little better.
Speaker 2:Well, I have a website called sarahwestl.com, and then I have my podcast. I've been doing this for a while. This has been going on almost ten years now that I've been doing this. And so I was way before COVID, and I was just trying to learn things and diving into as many things that really started with the edge of change. I'm a computer scientist, by training and business, and and I always liked the edge of change, new technology, how society is changing, and and man, are we changing now?
Speaker 2:We've got a lot going on right now. And so I was so excited about all these changes, you know, with, like, understanding longevity, understanding history that we don't know about. What's the deal with Tartaria? You know? How can something like that disappear from the history books?
Speaker 2:Just really interesting stuff I was always going after. But in the midst of doing that, you learn a lot about the geopolitical situation. You learn a lot about, and you want to, you want because it ties into everything. Also learn a lot about the dollar and global economics. And you start to figure out how come we have all these advanced technologies that, you know, antigravity devices or ways we've had ways to be able to run a car, you know, batteries that can last forever.
Speaker 2:I mean, all these amazing technologies that these scientists have come up with that are shelved and not allowed to go forward. And same thing with medicine and just everywhere. And I started learning that. I thought, wait a minute, what's going on here? And then I started running into why it was, you know, with there being a and it makes sense.
Speaker 2:Human behaviors, they want to maintain their power, their control, their money making cash cows. And anything that disrupts that disrupts their ability to control the the bigger picture system. And so that's why all these these amazing things for humanity were being, you know, tucked under. And so that's what kind of got me going and learning. And then when COVID hit, I had a different perspective because I had the foundation already in place when COVID hit.
Speaker 2:So a lot of people are going through a lot of trauma right now, learning about the truth of what's really going on because it's in a very compressed amount of time. And for me, was going through that trauma of learning what's going on years before. Not that the COVID situation wasn't traumatic for me because it was. No matter how much you learned before, that was still traumatic because it's at a, bigger picture, Nazi Germany on steroids, if you will. And so if you're a normal human being, you're going to go through trauma with that.
Speaker 2:But I had the foundation going into it. So I was able report and look at things differently during that time. And I think that helped me, like you said before we started, I've been consistent through all this period. And I think it's because of that foundation I had before. And so it allowed me to be able to look at things from a bigger picture and understand the context of what we were dealing with.
Speaker 2:So that's what I'm all about, I think, in a long winded way.
Seth Holehouse:No, it's good. It's interesting because my wife, for instance, she first told me about Epstein's Island, Epstein Island probably twelve to twelve years ago, fifteen years ago, maybe. And she was, you know, showing pictures of Podesta's artwork and, and it was this, you know, she went that dark night of the soul. You know, for both of us when COVID hit, it was a similar experience where almost from day one, you could see through it and you're like, okay, this is Operation Lockstep. This is agenda 2,030.
Seth Holehouse:This is, you know, event two zero one. You piece it all together very quickly. And so we weren't scared of the virus. We weren't scared of in the same way that most of the nation was from the mainstream media. But it was almost more frightening for us because we saw how it all fit together into this push towards a, you know, global technocracy, one world government, etc.
Seth Holehouse:And that's what was frightening for us because we're seeing the vaccine rollout, we're seeing all the changes to the election laws, we're seeing what happened with the election in 2020. And as we witness all of that unfolding, there's a different kind of weight that comes with that and fear. But you know, here we are. And I think that we've, we've, I think we've made it longer. I thought we may have, right, considering
Speaker 2:Well, yeah. I mean, it was scary for I agree with you because the fear for me wasn't the virus either because I did three documentaries, two in, like, March 2020. '1 was about warning people of the censorship around the the vaccine, the jab, and to be very careful because I knew, you know, I had interviews with Sherri Tenpenny about the PrEP Act. And so we saw this stuff coming. Then when they did this, we saw the censorship on treatments.
Speaker 2:And so I did this little mini documentary warning people about the dangers of the jab. They did not like that one. So that was one of the reasons I was censored. I also did a little mini documentary around that exact same time about how they're implementing psyops to, and what, for what purposes based on the research I'd done. And those two came out about the same time.
Speaker 2:And with, I don't remember what one came first, but within a two week timeframe, I just felt, I don't know what it was, but I just felt I had to get this information out to people. And so for me, it was like this slow moving train wreck of watching this go on. I didn't know how dangerous this jab was. And I just was trying to tell everybody, you know, this is what's going down. The other thing I ran into, and I did another little mini documentary June 2020.
Speaker 2:And that one was one, was where the world economic forum put this, They said they're going to do the entire reset based on COVID. And it was like this multi level website they put together with COVID being the reset instigator. And it was like a hundred levels deep how they were going to reimagine everything based on COVID being the initiator of the reset. And that was only in June 2020. And that thing would have taken years to create.
Speaker 2:Right? And I based a lot of my research on that documentary on an article. I'm so sorry. I don't remember her name, but it was an article. I gave her credit on all of it.
Speaker 2:An article that she wrote back three months previous. That's so bad. I'm so sorry. I forgot her name right now. I have like hundreds of names in my head.
Speaker 2:And she did a wonderful job. It was amazing. But she did it three months previous. So that means that in, did that in June, that means in February, March, they had that website up that was hundreds of levels deep and that talked about COVID being the reset. If you remember, that was only a couple months after COVID came out.
Speaker 2:There's no humanly possible way they could have created this website hundreds of levels deep with COVID being the reset trigger for, you know, their world agenda. That was in my head early too. And so you, it's like, wow, this is way superior. This is Nazi Germany on a global scale with people with more money than you know, countries implementing something, to change the world. And that was way scare that's and still is.
Speaker 2:I mean, it's still their agenda. It's just we have a lot more people fighting back and aware of what's going on. But at those beginning days, there wasn't that many of us that really saw what was going on while it was happening.
Seth Holehouse:Yeah. Mean, us too. Even a lot of our friends now that see straight through it all, and they get it at the beginning, you know, they're like, wash your hands if you come and visit, you know, and make sure you wear your mask. And I'm like, how are you buying into this stuff? And so, it's interesting that you know, this is why I really enjoy interviewing folks like you that are the people that really piece everything together because you've interviewed a lot of very fascinating guests.
Seth Holehouse:And so, you know, just kind of taking a step back and this is why I think it's important for us to do this because taking a step back and looking at where the overall situation is, where their plan is at, where the opposition is at, because especially for people that they they only discover this say at the beginning of COVID. Like by now they're getting into say the 13 bloodlines and they're getting into the CCP and the intricacies of that and the Vatican and all this different stuff and it can be quite overwhelming. And I know that for me, it's there's some times where it feels like, my gosh, they have so much power and control, we don't stand the chance. But I also think that when you look at where they're at and look at their actions, that you can also see that not everything is going according to plan for them. And so on this, you kind of this trajectory of then trying to push us into this agenda 02/1930 and you take take control like you know Harari would love to take control of with Klaus Schwab and everything.
Seth Holehouse:Do you think that their plan is on track? Do you think that they're they're frantic? How do you gauge where they're at with their progress?
Speaker 2:I think that there's they're pushing harder. In some ways. Other ways, they're taking a step back and then they might push again. But I think that they weren't expecting this level of mobilization by the people of the world. And that the Internet woke people up quicker than they were expecting, and they were caught off guard, I think.
Speaker 2:And that's why we're seeing so much censorship. Because the number one thing that people do when they take over a country, a dictator or a tyrant or whatever, is to shut down communications. Because communications allows you to solve any problem. You can mobilize to solve whatever problem. And they took too long to do that.
Speaker 2:They made an error. And so now they're trying to put that gene game back in the bottle, if you will. And it's not going back in very well because there's enough of us who are aware who are saying, heck with this. We're not in all these other platforms, you know, Rumble, Bitchute, Odyssey. There's Bastion and Brideon.
Speaker 2:These these platforms are popping up that's saying, heck with that. We need people. We hey. You need communication to have a modern civilization, and so we need this. And so that isn't allowing them to move forward as fast as they wanted to.
Speaker 2:But these guys are and I wanna warn people, these guys are as crazy as it gets. They truly believe in their agenda. And they will not stop because we want them to stop. We can't the wanting isn't what gets them to stop. We have to force them to stop either by the best way is that they just aren't making the money that they need to make in order to continue.
Speaker 2:And so they're forced through monetary means. That's the best. But if we have to force them, some of these people need to be forced out because they're absolute they're Doctor. Mengele on steroids and we need to get them out of there like Fauci and company. These people, when you talk about the Vatican too, mean, could go deep into every topic if I wanted to.
Speaker 2:But I gotta tell you, like Kevin Annett, I don't know if you followed him or not, he was the one that exposed the indigenous people in the boarding schools with those children that were He was a priest or a reverend. And he was defrocked because he was a good guy. He he he was very popular in his community, and there was a large indigenous population that was next that was in the area, and nobody would go to his church, he didn't know why. And so he reached out to them. And they're like, well, we don't wanna be part of that.
Speaker 2:You guys, there's all these killings of our children at these boarding schools. We want to be part of that. And he didn't believe them at first. He was like, yeah, Ray, I don't know if I believe this. And so he started digging around and checking out and realized that there were all these it's true.
Speaker 2:There were these children that were killed. And a lot of them were 50%, maybe around 50, a little bit more than 50% of the children that were forced into these boarding schools all across North America, Canada, They died in these schools, and it was a means to change their culture, the indigenous people. But he brought went to the church and say, hey. We need to make apology. We need to make this right.
Speaker 2:We need to bring these people in and, know, doing what a good person would do. And instead of embracing what he said, they pushed him out. They wrecked his marriage. They defrapped him of his being a reverend, being a priest. And they I don't know the right words.
Speaker 2:I think he was a reverend, not a priest. He always says that they backed me into a corner and turned me into a revolutionist. And so he is trying to change it. He even has, I think he's Eagle Strongheart or Eagle Stronghem. They gave him a name and he's more with that community than anybody else.
Speaker 2:He's been exposing this. He was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize three times, but he was exposing the Vatican and the sexual abuse and pedophilia that they were doing because they still have the old religion. You know, it's not there's Christianity, which is what their face of them are. And then there's the old occult religion that they really follow. Right?
Speaker 2:There's two segments to the Vatican, and that old occult religion does human sacrifice. And they like to do human sacrifice with Aboriginal or with native American children because they aren't trackable. You know, they don't they want peep kids that aren't trackable. They do it a lot with South American kids, kids that just aren't trackable. And that's why they go missing more.
Speaker 2:And so he found out about all these kids that were And so that he went hard after the last Pope and he, you know how the last one resigned, he just died, Benedict. He resigned. It was the first one in a Pope in over five hundred years. It was because the efforts that they did that caused him to resign because the Vatican was taking in too much visible pressure and it was making him look too bad. So he stepped down.
Speaker 2:So a small group of people that made huge waves turned into big waves and caused them to step down. And that's why they brought in Pope Francis, which is they really worked on his image, and he was worse. I think he's even worse, being honest. But he's a real bad guy as far as doing these kind this kind of work, you know, doing that with children. But he exposed all of it, and it worked.
Speaker 2:And, actually, you would never think you could take down a pope who was doing that kind of activity, and he did his work. And it wasn't just him. It was others people too that learned about it, and, you know, they all put the pressure on.
Seth Holehouse:Folks, I've got a quick message for you. Right now, the world is very, very actively going through a process that the experts are calling de dollarization. And look, I've been talking about this for well over a year now, but maybe you're now starting to see it in the mainstream because they're now talking about it because it's really happening. What does this mean? Well, there's a few factors, but there's two main factors.
Seth Holehouse:One is that the BRICS nations, okay, this is Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa, and a whole coalition, they are actively getting rid of the US dollar. They're stopping their trade in the US dollar, and this is significant because the dollar's losing its status as the global reserve currency and as the petrodollar. This is what gives our dollar its value. But the other thing is that we have an enemy that's within our own government, Biden and his administration, they are actively working to destroy the dollar. And you can see it in their actions that they're not trying to save the dollar, they're actually trying to destroy it because they want to roll out their central bank digital currency.
Seth Holehouse:So you have these two forces coming in both the same time working to destroy the dollar because what happens when that dollar gets destroyed? Well, literally your life savings, if they're sitting in the dollar, whether it's in a savings account or a bank account or the stock market or an IRA or a four zero one k, those savings, that money could literally be wiped out in a matter of days, weeks, even a couple of months. We're already seeing it with inflation, which is gonna be much, much worse. If you're seeing the writing on the wall and you're thinking, what can I do to protect myself? Well, there's a few recommendations that I always have.
Seth Holehouse:One is just to make sure you've got your food. If you have land, you know, ammunition, whatever it takes, tangible assets. But fundamentally, the thing I recommend most is precious metals, gold and silver. Look, precious metals have survived the collapse of currencies, the rise and fall of civilization. And also a big factor in this is that the BRICS nations, their new currency they're introducing to replace the dollar, a lot of experts are saying it will be backed by commodities like precious metals, and so you can see there's gonna be a stabilization, and I believe a dramatic increase in the value of precious metals.
Seth Holehouse:Not to mention, look at the back the past six months, we're seeing, you know, 30% plus increase in the prices of silver and gold. So if you would go back and say you put a hundred grand into silver six months ago, it could be worth well over 125, 1 hundred and 30 thousand dollars because the dollar is losing its value. So folks, if you want someone that you can trust for buying your precious metals or gold and silver, I would highly recommend Doctor. Kirk Elliott. So Doctor.
Seth Holehouse:Kirk Elliott is a good friend of mine, but he's a strong Christian patriot. He understands what's happening in the world. He's got two PhDs, one in theology, one in economics. So it's the perfect blend of understanding realistically money in the end times. So if you want to set up a free consultation with Kirk's team, head on over to goldwithseth.com.
Seth Holehouse:So again, that's goldwithseth.com or call (720) 605-3900. Again, it's goldwithseth.com, you go to the website, scroll down, there's a simple form that you fill out right there. You put your email, name, contact information, and that sets you up for a free wealth consultation. We can talk to either Kirk or one of his experts to really understand what your options are. Or you can just call (720) 605-3900 to take action today.
Speaker 2:So Kevin and Ed, and this group of people it wasn't just his organization, but others, they worked together and they caused Benedict to step down. So people can do that. They didn't like the pressure. The church, it was a danger on the broader church because people didn't want that associated with the broader church. But the cat's out of the bag and people are learning about it and they want to maintain their power institutions.
Speaker 2:And so that's why the censorship is so hard. They can't allow us to talk about this stuff because it risks the power of their institutions. And the institutions all over the world are starting to collapse. They're losing their power base.
Seth Holehouse:I think that, you know, a lot of it is because their enemy is truth. You know, like, like that's the enemy of Satan, the enemy of evil because they maintain their power a lot of ways through lies and deception. And by, you know, through indoctrinated the masses through the useful idiots that we know are have bought into a lie, whether it's the lie of communism or the lie of social justice or the lie of feminism or, you know, gender is all the different isms. And so the greatest threat to that is just the truth. So it makes sense why they're going after it.
Seth Holehouse:It's kind what you said too, that when a dictator comes in, they have to control communication because communication is what allows truth to spread and truth is, is like the virus that eats away at evil, eats away at the lies. And it's interesting just looking back at, you know, America and how we've got the First Amendment and the Second Amendment, right, which is really the, you know, first, you know, the ability to speak truth, the ability to share truth, but also the Second Amendment, which you know that is one of the greatest threats to them because you look at any country that was disharmed, or any country that was overtaken and you had these mass killings, whether it's Cambodia or, you know, Russia or any of these different countries, there's always that gun grab that occurred, you know, before that was able to happen. And they know that that that's a it's a sticking point for here in America. But I want to I want to talk about the First Amendment, though. And I'm sure you've been following the Restrict Act.
Seth Holehouse:Right? And I know that you're someone that, you know, I think as you put it, you were depersoned, right? You were you were censored so heavily, they almost deleted you off the Internet. And so what with with what's happening with this restrict act, what's your perspective on that?
Speaker 2:Well, so few people understand technology that they're able to and they do this with everything. They weaponize everything. But because people don't understand technology and because they're able to say the CCP is so bad that they're able to say, okay, TikTok I mean, it was they were weaponizing a situation to then create legislation that'll be this widespread vehicle for them to up the ante on censorship. They'll be able to say that pretty much anybody is a threat to national security. Like, this conversation could be a threat to national security because it's a threat to powerful institutions and powerful institutions is our national security.
Speaker 2:You know, we gotta maintain our powerful institutions. So that's a threat to national security. Instead of saying, no, these conversations are really important. We're telling it. And that means that these institutions need to be formed so that they're for humanity, not for this corrupt whatever the heck you're doing.
Speaker 2:And so they're going to weaponize it against conversations like ours. They've already have. And they did that under they did it under, you know, the cover, and now it's being exposed. So now they're trying to come up with legislation to be able to allow them to do the same things, but through legislations. You know, like immune like, section two thirty is just one big immunity clause that they've weaponized.
Speaker 2:So nobody can go after these. So nobody can get justice from the social media giants because they're using section two thirty as an overall immunity for everything. Everything that you go against them, what they throw out of court because they have section two thirty and they've misused and misinterpreted the law. They're gonna do the same thing with this one. That's why people are frightened because we see their patterns now.
Speaker 2:We know that they create legislation that allows them to abuse people and to weaponize it. And so we're looking at all these little things that are in the law that are, you know, like the VPN. You can't they're gonna be able to say, because I use a VPN, it makes me look like I'm in Germany or somewhere else. They're going to say that I'm a national security risk because it's a foreign actor doing something. You know?
Speaker 2:That's the kind of crap that they're gonna pull on everybody. Now the banning the TikTok, I wrote an article saying that that we shouldn't ban TikTok. We should we should ban China's control of it and secure the data. We it's not just the CCP that's a problem. The World Economic Forum, the globalist, the any other you know, the the cartel, the anybody who is a bad actor who are blackmailing people, those are problems.
Speaker 2:And those people, especially the globalists, are doing the same thing that TikTok's doing. All these other social media platforms are the same. And so if you're gonna do it to TikTok, you need to do it to everybody else. And that you don't wanna just ban TikTok. You wanna figure out how to make sure outside actors don't have control of this data.
Speaker 2:You wanna secure freedom of speech, secure our freedom, and and secure the data. They're going after all this wrong. And they're also saying comments like, well, China bans Facebook. They do it. Why shouldn't we?
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, because they do it, that's another reason we should they're communists. We're not gonna follow what they do. We're we're free, and we're gonna make sure that our people maintain freedom so that we can have these enlightened conversations. Why do you think that we have been the most prosperous country on the planet? It was because of these freedoms that they're now trying to take away because they wanna maintain their power base that they have.
Speaker 2:We can't let them do that. And that's what that act is about.
Seth Holehouse:Yeah, I would almost venture to say that the CCP would be happy if TikTok was banned because it's the art of war. And it's like, then then people wouldn't suspect the fact that or look into the fact of them controlling a lot of Google or the control they have over the other big tech companies. Because I think the people would say, Oh, hey, we banned TikTok. And that's great. And I agree with you.
Seth Holehouse:It's the entity behind it that needs to be addressed. So, know a lot of whistleblowers I've spoken to, you know, say Zach Voorhees, or even military generals like, you know, Robert Spaulding, have talked about the control the CCP has over our technology. And it's it's just incredible. And so, you know, again, even right now, okay, you know, we're on a Zoom call. It's how we're recording.
Seth Holehouse:I would I would venture to guess that if the CCP wanted to, they could be watching our private interview right now. Right? I'm sure they could.
Speaker 2:I'm sure. And I'm not I am just as worried about the CCP as I am about the globalists and the people behind the World Economic Forum. I think there are multiple players and multiple actors that are doing bad work and that we have to be careful about all of them. And I think that there's a lot of traders in our own government because we did it to ourselves. We're doing this to ourselves.
Speaker 2:We have the power to protect ourselves. We have the biggest military. We have so many resources. We can protect ourselves, but not if we have enemies within our own gates. And that's what we have right now.
Seth Holehouse:Yeah. And I'm glad you mentioned that point because there's something that, you know, because obviously, I talk a lot about the CCP, but I also talk a lot about Klaus Schwab and the European bankers and I'm not unaware of that. And there's a lot of people though that they will say, oh, well, you know, Putin and Xi are teaming up against the new world order. They're they're they're calling out the global Satanists. So they're on our team.
Seth Holehouse:It's like, woah, hold on, hold on, hold on. That doesn't mean that they're on our team, right? Because if you look at, say the CCP, you know, the CCP, they've, you know, their state run media has called George Soros the son of Satan, right? So they've come out against George Soros in a very public manner and Soros has also come out and said that Xi Jinping was the greatest threat to our democracy, you know, to our open societies, right? And so it's just really easy.
Seth Holehouse:So I'm seeing though that there's a lot of people that are, you know, much more on the strong conservative side that are even talking from the perspective that that China and Russia will liberate us from the deep state. And I think that's also a that's a dangerous place to go because it's it can take us off of our center. Because I think that, you know, especially for here in America, we tend to want to simplify things, right? We have this normalcy bias, it needs to be nice and easy and fit into the boxes. And we really think, okay, there's good and bad.
Seth Holehouse:There's the good guys and there's the bad guys. Whereas what I think is what we're experiencing is that the good guys are really we the people, the people of the earth, and you've got multiple factions of bad guys that are using each other, they're working together, they're working against each other. It's like behind, you know, behind the scenes is, you know, is the are the BRICS nations working together with NATO to accelerate the great reset? I don't know.
Speaker 2:That's right.
Seth Holehouse:You know what I mean?
Speaker 2:Well, I think I think I don't know either. Here's the deal. I don't know, but I have all the same worries that you do. And I think that there's multiple agendas going on in China. I think there's multiple agendas going on, you know, with Russia.
Speaker 2:I mean, they have they have their needs first. They have some real especially Russia. I think they have some real qualms with what's going on, and they have I mean, I I can't argue that they have what they're doing in Ukraine doesn't make sense based on what we did. So when I look at that, I'm like, well, Russia but the thing is is that Russia isn't there to liberate us. They're there to liberate themselves.
Speaker 2:And once they do that, they will turn around and then want more power. So it's important that maybe we can utilize their fighting against the world economic forum if they are indeed fighting. I don't know if they're colluding or fighting. I mean, if they can help us take one monster down and the other one can help us take the other monster down, that's fine. But we're the third party.
Speaker 2:We, the people, are the third party here. It's a three way war between we, the people, the globalists, and the Chinese Communist Party maybe with Russia. I don't know. They seem to be joining forces. And so we, the people, need to end up on top.
Speaker 2:If these two two groups wanna take each other down, fine. But we, the people, need to rise up and be on top and say, we don't want either of these guys to rule us. We want our freedom. We want prosperity. We don't like what the communist party's about.
Speaker 2:Hey. They can do their thing. We're not gonna attack them, but leave us alone. And then the same with the globalists that want to completely dominate the earth. Well, we don't want that either.
Speaker 2:So we have to be smart, I think, and realize that there's all these different agendas. But at the same time, we don't want to destroy China because of all this. We just want China not to control us. We wanna have a healthier relationship with them. There's things that we're not we're not being smart on.
Speaker 2:And what's happening, know, because we have the globalists who run things, they're doing the central bankers who are criminals in the way that they operate stuff, they were going into these third world countries, giving them development loans, which most of that money went back to Western companies to go in, build factories, take their resources and sell it to Western countries. But the debt had to be paid with the local people.
Seth Holehouse:John Perkins.
Speaker 2:Yeah, John Perkins. But there's groups that formed around the world lobbying the central banks, big groups from these other countries who've been working hard at trying to change this. And they're trying to expose it and people understand what's going on. And so then what's happening is China's going in there and the BRIC nations are going in there and saying, hey, we'll forgive your debt. We will give you new loans at much more reasonable terms that are pro human, closer to pro human.
Speaker 2:I mean, I don't know. And these countries are going, hell yeah, I'd rather do that. And so they're like dumping the dollar and going towards the bricks like mad because they're giving them a better deal. And so that's what we're looking at. The stupidity of these globalists are, That's why I say there's traitors within.
Speaker 2:Because these people, when you abuse people, people try to look for alternatives. Is the Chinese going to be better in the long run? Are they going to use them and abuse them? I don't know. It kind of looks like that's been their nature.
Speaker 2:But look what we did. Look what our central bankers did. And so we gave them this incentive to leave and to leave quickly. And so we have a problem on our hands. We can't solve these problems by not identifying it, by censoring everybody.
Speaker 2:We need to understand what's going on and come up with solutions. The other thing we can't do is talk about how bad we are. We're a great country. Why did we become the most prosperous, wealthiest country in the world? Because of our freedoms.
Speaker 2:They're trying to take these freedoms away from us and lock us down. I mean, look what's going on in Canada. Oh my God. They've euthanized over 10,000 people already. They want to expand it so that children, I don't know the age, I gotta read more into it.
Speaker 2:I've just been reading a little bit on it, that they want to allow children to be able to euthanize without government assistance euthanization without a parent's consent. Can you imagine? Your your teenager who's going through all these emotional problems going in I would I mean, I that's when people would come out with pitchforks. I mean, if something happened to my children like that, I would be I don't know if my children would ever be in that situation because I'm just like so hyper focused on making sure they're healthy, but healthy mentally. But can you imagine if that happened to your kid?
Speaker 2:I just and that's what Canada they've already euthanized ten thousand people. They do it if you're poor, they do it if you're, have a disability, they do it if you're depressed. I mean, my God, I mean, I can understand euthanizing somebody that is in so much pain that their life is miserable and we would be it might be mercy. I mean, I don't know. There's a healthy debate there on that.
Speaker 2:What they're doing is just they're those problems can be solved. And they're just deciding, and that's what communism is about. It's that we're gonna look at what the general good is for the population. And so they have these ideas that what's not good for the population is older people aren't good because they're no longer producing and providing resources. I mean, never mind the wisdom they have and never mind the value of treating older people well because that go what comes around goes around and a value of respect.
Speaker 2:No. That's ignored. It's just they are no longer contributing to society. Children are another two years old. They're not contributing to society.
Speaker 2:So that I mean, these are like Princeton ethics. You know, people that are who teach ethics at Princeton and all over the world, these top peep they're weaponizing ethics, saying that's the ethical thing to do. And it's become this absurdity that they're cramming down our throat. And that's why it's we, the people, need to stand up because we know this is wrong. We know that's not the general good of the population because if you don't treat children well and you don't value individual rights, then the whole society decays and you can get genocide like what we just saw with COVID.
Speaker 2:So it's I I don't know why it's not more obvious to people, but I know it is to you. I know you think about it. You've been thinking about this for a long time. But these basic principles are lost on communist. They're lost on technocrats, which is a lot of what we're dealing with.
Speaker 2:They were dealing with like a Nazi mentality tech technocracy. They're lost on these people because they can't they see they have a cold formula on what's best for humanity or for the the people. The other thing that scares me is they want to depopulate because they believe that we have too many people, they're using too many resources, and so they're going to use all these excuses to depopulate. And when COVID was I think COVID was a depopulation operation. And I think that the extreme abortion stuff they're doing is a depopulation operation.
Speaker 2:I think the euthanization is a depopulation operation. I think it's just on this ongoing depopulation. And I have this growing theory that it's all because of their need to, you know, because with all the new longevity are you there? Yeah, you're there. All the new longevity inventions that are coming out, the ability for us to live a lot longer, all that's coming out.
Speaker 2:And I think that is another reason. I think it's coming out stronger and better than they expected, and it's another reason why they're accelerating the depopulation agenda. Because they don't want regular people to live forever or not forever, but a hundred and fifty years or whatever it is that we'll be able to live and live well. They don't want that, and they don't want average people to live that long.
Seth Holehouse:No, I agree.
Speaker 2:And that's, I think that's my theory lately has been that I think that might be more of the source of what is causing all this acceleration.
Seth Holehouse:And so, gosh, there's so much to touch upon here. But one thing I wanted to talk to you about was just the status of what's happening with the dollar. And I know that you've interviewed Annie Schechman a handful of times. He's a good friend of mine and had MAMA show as well. He's so fun to talk to, and he's such a brilliant man.
Speaker 2:Oh, he's great. Yeah. I think I had him on first because he's he was lived in Minnesota. I was teaching at the University of Minnesota. I taught there for about five years, and and I met him through I think it was LinkedIn.
Speaker 2:Back then, you could actually meet almost anybody. And I'm like, hey, come on to my show. I got this podcast. It was before I think it was like 02/2015 or '14. He never did podcasts.
Speaker 2:He had he had another PR person. And so he said, okay. I'll come on. And then he's like, well, you can interview you. You're gonna really like him.
Speaker 2:I'm like, no, I wanna interview you. So I think he really likes doing it now.
Seth Holehouse:Oh, yeah. He's good at it.
Speaker 2:He's a world expert.
Seth Holehouse:Yeah, absolutely. I
Speaker 2:think his mind is that's why I like to keep him. It's like, you are like the best. But yeah.
Seth Holehouse:And so, I guess this is a, again, you know, if you look at what's happening right now, we've got the the Trump indictment swirling around and that's the entirety of the focus right now. Know, a week ago it was something else and I'm not I'm not downplaying those things. But I'm just like to me, when I look at where we're at in history, you know, and I as I've mentioned before, interviewed Cliff Heier recently, which is someone who just looked at things from like a million foot view. And we're looking at the how the fact that we're really kind of at the end of this system, like the Federal Reserve, the FERN as Cliff refers to is at its end and like every day I'm seeing news about Malaysia backing out of the dollar, this country backing out of the dollar, the, Kenyan president warning their citizens get out of the dollar. It just seems like everything that folks like Andy have been talking about for a very long time is now coming to pass yet for a lot of people in America that I'll talk to and say, hey, are you concerned about this?
Seth Holehouse:There's this normalcy bias. It's like, not really, you know, the dollar's always been strong and this is America, you know, like Venezuela doesn't happen in America, you know, Walmart Republic doesn't happen in America. Yet, from my perspective, and I want to get yours as well. It just seems like that, like the dominoes keep hitting, and you know the dominoes, it's not as they get bigger as they keep going. And it's like it's leading up to that big giant domino that we've said, you know, 30 tons, which when it falls over, that's like the collapse of the Western financial system.
Seth Holehouse:And so what what do you make of all these events going on with with Brix? And, and I guess that's the first question. I got more follow-up questions, but that's the first question is to see what your thoughts are overall.
Speaker 2:Well, it's a fiat currency. So it's already past the normal lifespan of a fiat currency. And so they have to do a new reset. The other thing that happens is anytime there is a currency reset, and it happened in the last hundred years. I think it's happened, like, four or five times.
Speaker 2:I've done some articles on it. And every single time it's been accompanied by a major war or major event. And, you know, because they have to shield the changing of the power structure with these wars and things, it makes it much easier for them to do that. And they're warring. It's kinda like when a king dies where all the family wars to try to who can be the right if the succession wasn't clearly laid out, then there's all these battles.
Speaker 2:You know? It's kind of that way. I mean, I think that's a lot of what we're watching is this fight, this battle for who's gonna be the the new dominant worldwide currency because that's who whoever dominates the currency is who really kind of controls the overall picture. And I think that's a lot of what we're seeing underneath. And but we have we have the foxes in the hen house.
Speaker 2:We have the people who are purposely messing up with our currency and our environment so that they can be on top when this whole thing goes down. We have also have other people who are trying to earn as much money as I can and steal from the system while they can. I think that's what Ukraine's about. It's multiple agendas in Ukraine, but one of them, all this money going to Ukraine, I think it's about funneling and stealing as much as they can while the system is still in, you know, you know, it's profiting on the demise of the system. And I think that's what we're seeing with Ukraine on steroids.
Speaker 2:And, you know, as Andy Shechman, you brought him up, he we were talking about this others group back in 2018 where they were buying the major group that just popped up in 2018. Usually these institutional pardon me?
Seth Holehouse:On the COMEX. Right? People that these other groups that were buying all the precious metals.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And then also this others group popped up and and this was back in 2018. It's like, what the heck is this others group? Massive. It had to be had to be country.
Speaker 2:Some people think it's these families. Some people think it's China and countries. But you couldn't buy that much without it being you're cornering the market or doing so. You can't buy that much without triggering authorities to say, who the heck is this? So it has to be government or the the people who control the banking system in the first place doing that.
Speaker 2:So this has all been going on for a while now. They're gearing up to this. So when we're watching, some of this other stuff seems like just theater, because if you look at their actions and what they've been doing since 2018, they've been gearing up for being able to see this switch happen. Although I do think that there are agendas on who's going to be in control and not be in control of the switch. And I think that's what the war a lot of the warring I mean, the wars have all these agendas.
Speaker 2:You know? It's not just one thing. And that's what gets confuses people so much is it's not just about stealing what they can in Ukraine. It's not just about disclosing the bio weapons. It's not about Russia just protecting, you know, because NATO went on the border.
Speaker 2:When NATO went on the border, probably prompt Russia because they needed this war. It's not all these it's there's so many other things that are going on, but usually in the backdrop of something like this is a currency reset based on historical. If you look at through history, it's been like this. World War one, World War two, all of that. There were big currency resets and resets going on.
Speaker 2:Problem with with our situation now is, you know, the fall of Nazi Germany. We brought all the Nazis over here. The fall of the Soviet Union, all the real bad guys from the Soviet Union came over here, and how are all these bad guys here? And so we're dealing with that. That's infiltrated all in our country.
Speaker 2:We're not just We the People Americans, we're bad guys that we imported with us. Know, the worst of the worst.
Seth Holehouse:Yeah. I mean, our country is being run by criminals. I mean, these are and I never really could make sense of it. If someone told me that when was younger, would have been like, they're just corrupt politicians and maybe they're taking bribes. It's like, no.
Seth Holehouse:Like, the mafia has been in power for two thousand years. And like, that's the level, it's these global crime syndicates. And one thing one, you know, kind of question I had just to get your perspective on the currency stuff. So if you piece it together, you look at how there's been this fracturing between China and Russia, and the kind of the Western Central Banks, NATO and The United States, right, where they've really, I guess they've ruined it's kind of access and allies and we know that Russia has refused the European Central Banks access into their country, which is we know that the previous people like, you know, Assad or, Hussein or the various people that, Gaddafi that didn't want to partake in the central banking system, what happened to them. So that you have that playing out.
Seth Holehouse:And so, but if you look at the fact that, you know, we see this the the collapse of the fern, the collapse of the US dollar as we know it, that's really rapidly approaching, but it really seems like it's being sped up in particular by the China and Russia block, by the BRICS nations. That they're so much behind this and I can't help but think that so it's like we we know that the globalists and the central bankers want to implement a central bank digital currency, and that becomes their control grid, that becomes the key to their technocracy. But we're also hearing all this discussion about a BRICS reserve currency that's backed by precious metals or commodities, and that they're also working on this. It seems like there's two different systems that want to be in charge when the centralized global dollar system collapses. And I almost feels like that the China and Russia, they're further along in their system, and that the central bank digital currency is still in such a pilot stage that if the dollar collapses before it's ready, it no one's gonna adopt it, and they won't have the infrastructure there.
Seth Holehouse:And so that's why I think that there's some frantic behavior out of there. But, I mean, do you do you see things a similar way? Because that that's how I'm framing it to make sense of all of it.
Speaker 2:Well, I think the fiat currency has lasted a lot longer than it should have at this point. And they've been able to prop it up quite a bit. But I I think that they're you never know with all their agendas. Right? And who's if they're actually who they're aligned with and not aligned with.
Speaker 2:Part of me thinks that what they're going to do is when these banks collapse, they're going to have their CBDCs ready and say, hey, if you want to have your money, you're going to have to get it through our government currency. And they're going to force the situation on everybody. And that's how people are gonna be forced to adopt it. Because the average person is like, okay, well, I'm either have nothing or I take this government currency because my bank just collapsed, took everything I have. My entire savings is now or am I into everything I had is is wiped out unless I take it in the form of the government's CBDC.
Speaker 2:You know? I think that's what's gonna happen. I don't know. I could be wrong, but I could see them pulling something like that off. And I also think they are criminal enough where they would use their enemies to make it look like they're the ones causing it.
Speaker 2:But I don't know because there's also the benefit, and that's why I was saying they're fighting for these two power systems. There's also a benefit for the BRICs to take us down so that they can rise. So both agendas could be playing out at the same time, and they probably are. And, you know, and they don't want the two system you know, they keep talking about having a two bricks wants that they're okay with having this two systems in place. And I don't know if either party's in favor of that.
Speaker 2:I think that's all rhetoric. I think they all they both want total domination.
Seth Holehouse:Yeah, there's an old Chinese saying, and I forget what it is, but it's something like you can't have two tigers on the same hill. You know, basically, and saying that there can only be one tiger and, and you can see it too with, they wouldn't, you know, lot of people say, well, the CCP was started by, you know, the European bankers, etc. And I think that that's very true. I've looked into a lot of the history of the origins, but I think in a lot of ways, they're also Frankenstein's monster and that they're also vying for control in their own way. And that they're not gonna, you know, say, conquer the world so that you know, Sir, Sir Lord Rothschild can be telling them what to do.
Seth Holehouse:Like that's just not how they operate. Like they, you know, Xi Jinping I think sees himself as the supreme ruler, like almost as mandated by heaven, you know, something that's beyond, you know, some sort of power structure here. But so, looking at all of this together, and just where we're at and what's happening, do you have hope for the future? I mean, do you like, where do you see us in ten years? Is a vision that makes you frightened or happy or excited?
Seth Holehouse:Like what is your kind of prognosis for where we're heading and where we can go?
Speaker 2:I think it's, you know, we kind of have a split in the highway of what could happen. I think the most important thing is to keep the lights on, meaning keep our keep the dialogue going. If the lights turn off, then our future is going to be really grim. I if we keep the lights on, there's always hope. There's always hope we can make it better if we can keep the lights on.
Speaker 2:They shut the lights all the way down, then they're just gonna dominate. And, you know, as George Washington said, we'll be sheep led to the slaughter. And that is very true. But if we could keep this dialogue going and we can keep all this, there's so much glorious stuff in our future. I mean, I think the whole medical, the entire medical industry is being redone with frequency and new advanced science, new ways of doing things, living longer and healthier.
Speaker 2:We have solutions for people for, you know, not, you don't have to be blind, you can walk, you can, and I'm not talking melding with machines. I'm talking just healing from our own biological illnesses. Yeah. Machines, we could do some things to augment ourselves that might be, that some people might enjoy. I'm not but, you know, the globalists and they're going into this full blown melding of machines and augmenting us and making us different.
Speaker 2:I'm not talking about that. I think there's I think that's bad. That's bad. I think we we we don't need all that stuff, but we need the lights on so that we can communicate and talk about all these amazing things that are in our future. I'm concerned about, you know, when Harari talks about taking our free will.
Speaker 2:You know, we kind of saw a glimpse of that when with COVID, where they were forcing everybody to do things, you know, like universities and you lose your job and you can't go anywhere without the vaccine. And they were doing every kind of social construct to try to take away your free will. That's at one level. The next level is using frequency and using advanced science to take away our free will and our ability to think about what we're going to do. So for example, you know, the Iraqi soldiers surrendered in Iraq because they pumped into their their brains that into their mind that they pumped fear and that you need to surrender because we are in total control now.
Speaker 2:So Voice of God.
Seth Holehouse:Soldiers- Technology, right?
Speaker 2:Voice of God, do they call it? Yeah, Voice of God. But they surrendered in mass. And I did a little mini documentary about that about five years before, a couple of years before COVID, all these things that they've been doing with this. It's very powerful technology.
Speaker 2:And I don't know if they can control people who are more willful and aware and cognitive of what's going on. They could probably could on a lot of different ways that we're not paying attention to. But when you're cognitive and aware, I'm not sure how powerful that is. But most people aren't cognitive and aware. So I'm more worried about some of these advanced technologies getting in the hands of bad guys and how they use it against us.
Speaker 2:But, again, we need to keep the lights on so we can talk about these things and we can expose them and we can address it because we're not addressing any of this stuff. They're the the fools that we have now are, I shouldn't call them all fools. They're not awful. Some people are really working hard, and they're just, like, beyond they're just pulling their hair out. But so many of them are are useful idiots in congress who don't understand technology.
Speaker 2:They don't understand how things are weaponized. They are bamboozled in every direction. A lot of them are blackmailed. And so we have pretty much incompetence running our country. And so we are sitting ducks because we don't have the skill sets that we need.
Speaker 2:And then we have a deep state who has been, we have a trader. We have traders in our midst. We're the foxes running things with incompetence in front of it. So we need to keep the lights on so that we can deal with those situations. Because it's us, we, the people that can bring the awareness to it, that we can come up with solutions, and we can take that power back so that we can have hope for the future.
Speaker 2:So I think that we are in the midst of going either in an amazing direction where we can just do it's not it's not gonna be easy because we've got a lot of things we gotta sling off our back, but we are in the beginning stages of some amazing future if we can keep the lights on. That's what the fight's over. Censorship is really important to me because of that.
Seth Holehouse:Yeah. Yeah. Which, you know, with this restrict act, you know, for the folks that are watching call your representatives and let them know how dangerous it is. I mean, I was watching an interview with I think Lindsey Graham on Jesse Waters, a short little snippet. And Jesse Waters was like, this is like the Patriot Act two point zero.
Seth Holehouse:This thing is so threatening. And Lindsey Graham was like, Oh, really? Like, I haven't read it yet. Like that was that was that was literally his response. He's like, which which one like which one is that?
Seth Holehouse:And he's like, Oh, that doesn't sound very good. He's like, Well, I'll look at that and I'll get back to you and come back and do another show with you. It's like, really? Because I think a lot of them don't read this stuff. So it's really, I think sometimes we can feel powerless, but, know, if a local representative gets 100 different calls and emails and the constituents are freaking out saying, this is like, this is the loss of all of our freedoms.
Seth Holehouse:We're gonna, they're they're because I think a lot of it is just it's Trojan horses inside of Trojan horses. And you know, even the people that think they're doing the right thing, because they're not paying enough attention, you know, they can, you know, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Right?
Speaker 2:That's
Seth Holehouse:right. So, yeah, that's that's certainly it. So, I want to direct people to your website, which I've got here for so just it's sarahwestall.com. So people can follow you. Again, sarahwestall.com.
Seth Holehouse:They can subscribe to your thing, they can donate, support you, they can access your documentaries, find your sub stack, which you're writing now, which is great. But also, like I said, for me, I just go on to my podcast app and I just have followed Sarah Westall. So I use Apple Podcast and Podbean. So I encourage folks to go on there and listen. And I just I again, I thank you so much for coming on today.
Seth Holehouse:And do you have any kind of final closing thoughts for people?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I also want to encourage them, sarahwestall.com, but also encourage them to go to United for free speech. We're doing the censored conference. We're bringing in censored voices to talk about important issues that need to be communicated. And so I've been working on that for free, and it's taking a lot of time. And it's important just because we've gotta keep these lights on.
Speaker 2:And we gotta talk to you about doing a talk maybe in one of our next acts because we're just trying to bring we're trying to unite across all people. We don't wanna the people that come out, we don't I don't agree with most of the people. You know I mean? They all have their different issues, and they but we need to be talking about these issues, and that's not what it's about. So it's called United for Free Speech, and I I hope people go there as well.
Speaker 2:But sarahwestall.com, follow me please, and sign up for my newsletter and you'll learn about all of this stuff. And thank you so much. You're doing amazing work. Like I said, I love talking to all the epic times, old timers, or people that have been there because you're all so thoughtful and you're smart and just think through things. And I I just I really love that.
Seth Holehouse:Oh, well, thank you for that. Yeah, I'd love to be involved with the the the conference. I'm I'm a big free speech is important to me. My entire life is centered on that, similar to
Speaker 2:yourself. Yeah, well, I'll send you the information.
Seth Holehouse:Great. Well, thank you again for coming on. It's such a pleasure having you.
Speaker 2:Thank you so much.
Seth Holehouse:Folks, I've got a quick message for you. Right now, the world is very, very actively going through a process that the experts are calling de dollarization. And look, I've been talking about this for well over a year now, but maybe you're now starting to see it in the mainstream because they're now talking about it because it's really happening. What does this mean? Well, there's a few factors, but there's two main factors.
Seth Holehouse:One is that the BRICS nations, okay, this is Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa, and a whole coalition, they are actively getting rid of the US dollar. They're stopping their trade in the US dollar, and this is significant because the dollar's losing its status as the global reserve currency and as the petrodollar. This is what gives our dollar its value. But the other thing is that we have an enemy that's within our own government, Biden and his administration, they are actively working to destroy the dollar. And you can see it in their actions that they're not trying to save the dollar, they're actually trying to destroy it because they want to roll out their central bank digital currency.
Seth Holehouse:So you have these two forces coming in both the same time working to destroy the dollar because what happens when that dollar gets destroyed? Well, literally your life savings, if they're sitting in the dollar, whether it's in a savings account or a bank account or the stock market or an IRA or a four zero one k, those savings, that money could literally be wiped out in a matter of days, weeks, even a couple of months. We're already seeing it with inflation, which is going to be much, much worse. If you're seeing the writing on the wall and you're thinking, can I do to protect myself? Well, there's a few recommendations that I always have.
Seth Holehouse:One is just to make sure you've got your food, if you have land, you know, ammunition, whatever it takes, real tangible assets. But fundamentally, the thing I recommend most is precious metals, gold and silver. Look, precious metals have survived the collapse of currencies, the rise and fall of civilization. And also a big factor in this is that the BRICS nations, their new currency they're introducing to replace the dollar, a lot of experts are saying it will be backed by commodities like precious metals, and so you can see there's gonna be a stabilization, and I believe a dramatic increase in the value of precious metals. Not to mention, look at the back the past six months, we're seeing, you know, 30% plus increase in the prices of silver and gold.
Seth Holehouse:So if you would go back and say you put a hundred grand into silver six months ago, it could be worth well over 125, 1 hundred and 30 thousand dollars because the dollar is losing its value. So folks, if you want someone that you can trust for buying your precious metals or gold and silver, I would highly recommend Doctor. Kirk Elliott. So Doctor. Kirk Elliott is a good friend of mine, but he's a strong Christian patriot.
Seth Holehouse:He understands what's happening in the world. He's got two PhDs, one in theology, one in economics. So it's the perfect blend of understanding realistically money in the end times. So if you want to set up a free consultation with Kirk's team, head on over to goldwithseth.com. So again, that's goldwithseth.com or call (720) 605-3900.
Seth Holehouse:Again, it's goldwithseth.com, you go to the website, you scroll down, there's a simple form that you fill out right there. You put your email, name, contact information, and that sets you up for a free wealth consultation. We can talk to either Kirk or one of his experts to really understand what your options are. Or you can just call (720) 605-3900 to take action today.