Slingshot Festival: Curating the Future of Electronic Music and Art

In this episode of Oak City Move, Sophs sits down with Kai Riedl, the director of the Slingshot Festival of Electronic Music and Art, to discuss the festival’s origins, its growth into an international phenomenon, and the ever-evolving relationship between music and electronic art. From its humble beginnings, Slingshot has expanded its reach, attracting artists from all over the world and becoming a key player in the global electronic music scene. We dive into how the festival has evolved over the years, exploring its unique blend of art and sound, and the vision behind curating an experience that challenges and inspires attendees.

The conversation also touches on how Slingshot is fostering international collaboration, with more artists coming from outside the U.S. to showcase their work and push the boundaries of both music and visual art. The episode highlights the ongoing dialogue between these creative realms, exploring how they influence each other to shape the future of immersive experiences.

Tune in for an inside look at how Slingshot Festival has become a melting pot for creativity, innovation, and global connection in the world of electronic music and art.

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Sophs Magnanini

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00:00
Sophia Magnanini
Oak City Move is a podcast on WKNC's 88.1 FM HD1 Raleigh, where we highlight people and organizations creating positive change in the Triangle and beyond. Oak City Move can be heard on air every Other Monday on 88.1 FM HD1 Raleigh or online at wknc.org Listen for episodes and more information, go to our blog at blog.wknc.org or follow us on SoundCloud at wknc88.1. Hello, 88.1 WKNC Raleigh. The song you just heard was Sweaty linen by Surf Ninja 3. I'm Sophia Magnanini, your host and you're listening to Oak City Move. Today we're joined by a very special guest, Kai Riedl, the director of Slingshot Festival of Music and Electronic Art. First off, I want to, like, say thank you so much for taking the time to join me.

00:50
Sophia Magnanini
And if you, for listeners who may not be familiar, if you want to say a little bit about yourself. And also, can you, like, describe what the Slingshot Festival is and what makes it unique?

01:01
Kai Riedl
Sure, sure. So I moved to Durham about 10 years ago to run Moogfest, which was a music and electronic art and technology festival. And I had originally started Slingshot in Athens, Georgia, but when Moogfest wind up leaving Durham or just stopping, people were asking me what we should do next. So I restarted Slingshot in Durham back in 2021. And so Slingshot is a mostly electronic music and electronic art festival. And that means we focus on electronic music, composers that work in electronic music, people that integrate technology and their music, and people that like to, you know, work with sounding creative ways. So there's dance music, there's technology, there is ambient music. We're kind of a, a home for all those people working in that sector.

01:59
Sophia Magnanini
Yeah, that's really cool. Especially I feel it's kind of hard to find a festival where there's so many of that together, unless you're like going to these big festivals that are like, far away, like California. So that's really cool that you're bringing it to Durham, which is so local. And have you kind of seen it evolve since the beginnings? I know it's only been a couple years, but.

02:23
Kai Riedl
Yeah, yeah. I mean, I've been doing Slingshot. This is our 10th edition coming up. I did four editions in Athens and then I guess this will be our sixth edition in Durham. But the wedding of music and technology has been kind of evolving over the last 10 or 15 years anyway. So a lot of these events are kind of Integrating, you know, technological aspects, workshops, you know, technology into their music performances, basically. So. So. So we just. We kind of invite performers that have that as part of their repertoire, people that are pushing technological boundaries, people that are interested in electric, the. The art of sound as well as the performance of sound, if that makes any sense. And so the wedding of music, art and technology have always been kind of. They've been brewing together for a long time, and now they're inextricable.

03:19
Kai Riedl
And so, you know, we'd like to give the Triangle basically an opportunity to see that on a smaller scale than some of these bigger festivals, but at least a window into that world. And of course, there are a lot of DJs and these kinds of things as well, that performs. So it's been a great place to have this kind of festival emerge because there's not a lot of that happening in the Triangle. So we've received a really warm welcome. And the community that comes out is incredible, actually.

03:50
Sophia Magnanini
Yeah, that's awesome. Especially since I feel like, yeah, the 21st century music and technology have become so intertwined. And so it's really cool that you get to see all these performers, showcase that to, like, almost the highest ability, which is really cool, and see new things, see, like, experimental stuff, which is just really cool.

04:12
Kai Riedl
Yeah. The other part we try to do is we focus on the international community. And that means people coming from all around the globe to perform a Slingshot. And that is something that sometimes is missing in the Triangle, this kind of international integration, if you will. So we have performers from Mexico, Indonesia, Europe. There's a whole litany of people. So. So we're. We're internationally focused. We're. We're artists run. Basically, the people that run it are a bunch of artists. We sometimes even perform at Slingshot ourselves. And so. So, yeah, that kind of intersection of internationality and technology and music is. Is kind of how we. How we go.

04:54
Sophia Magnanini
Yeah, that's really cool. That kind of leads into my next question. I was going to ask what kind of, like, artists or performers are most usually seen? Like, can attendees expect to see this year? Or if you have some favorites or want to show yourself?

05:10
Kai Riedl
Sure, sure. Yeah, yeah. You know, there are. There are some people that work that are DJs that are coming that create their own music. So they're not just DJing other people's music, they're actually DJing music that they create. And so we like to kind of encourage people that produce their own music opposed to just DJing other people's music. Quite honestly, there. I mean, there are some highlights. There's people I've been trying to get to come to Durham for a long time that are now coming. One artist, her name is Sofia Cortesis. She's Peruvian and she, you know, just a great electronic composer, a great singer. You know, it's going to be a rare opportunity for people to catch her because she. A lot of these people would never come to North Carolina if it wasn't for us.

06:00
Kai Riedl
Just because there's not really a vessel for them to land into. So am I excited about her? For sure. We're bringing an artist from Uganda named Authentically Plastic who I've always enjoyed their work. It's experimental, it's got an African tinge to it. It's a little bit hard hitting, but it's singular in its own case. So I'm looking forward to seeing both those for sure. And then there's some ambient artists that are coming. We have a strong ambient program always, so we try to incorporate that as well. So I'm really excited about everybody, but I'm especially excited about seeing those people. For sure.

06:41
Sophia Magnanini
No, I love that. Especially since a lot of them are international. That's really cool because it's like not only are they getting the chance to play for a different crowd, but people that wouldn't be able. Like you're saying they wouldn't come tour here originally.

06:54
Kai Riedl
Yeah.

06:54
Sophia Magnanini
So it's also giving like the local people starting to see like all new music and.

07:02
Kai Riedl
Yeah, that's the goal. Yeah, it's also nice too because a lot of the local performers get to play alongside these international performers that they would have never had that opportunity to do as well. So I like to intermix the local and regional scene and with the international scene so they can. So we can highlight things that are happening around the triangle as well.

07:23
Sophia Magnanini
Yeah, I love that because then also it's like a very nice community and artists can build off of one another, like learn from one another. Which also kind of goes into. Is kind of similar to my last question, but how do you go about curating such a diverse lineup of musicians and visual artists? Is there a kind of formula to it or you kind of just go with the vibes?

07:44
Kai Riedl
Formula? I wish there was a formula. If there was just a formula, it would just plug it in. No, we have not gone. We have not gone completely AI on the creation process yet. But you know, I've been booking festivals for over 10 years now. A lot of the, A lot of the booking agents know things I'm interested in. So they kind offer things that might be interested, but I'm also keeping abreast of music around the globe all the time. And I'm very humbled because, you know, we have really anybody we want to come to Durham right now because they've appreciated that the community we've developed. And I try to, you know, I try to find a balance between people that maybe just like DJs and people that like composer more composerly electronic music and more abstract or experimental.

08:36
Kai Riedl
So try to do a cross section between all of those in the hopes that people bump into things that they might normally might not have to begin with. They love Sofia Cortez, they know her music, they're coming to see her, but. But inevitably they're bumping up against other. Other music that they didn't expect that maybe can open their ears a little bit. So the goal is to really integrate people, you know, expand their listening palette, if you will.

09:06
Sophia Magnanini
Yeah, that's awesome. I know you're doing a lot of good. Leading into my next questions.

09:11
Kai Riedl
Okay, perfect. Let's go. This is not scripted, I'm sure for real.

09:17
Sophia Magnanini
But I was going to ask, how do you see slingshot play a role in shaping the local music and art scenes in like, Athens, in Durham, wherever you guys usually do the festivals?

09:30
Kai Riedl
Yeah, you know, we have, we've worked with dozens and dozens of local musicians, ambient musicians, DJs, experimental artists, pop musicians. You know, we like to give the platform, share the platform with them. I've. I've seen a lot of amazing examples of partnerships coming out of that where people's careers have been able to grow because they were involved with us in some capacity. And that makes me really happy that they were able to make connections or go on tour with people or. Or just learn about new music in other ways. They never have been. So, so it's, it's been, it's been great. You know, there's a lot of talent in North Carolina. It's a little bit all over the state, but, you know, and the other part of it does. It. It actually, it actually.

10:24
Kai Riedl
And does this for me too, because I play a slingshot as well. It challenges me in a new way, quite honestly, because, you know, not only do we need support and, you know, other ways of hearing, but. But at times your own practice needs challenge. You need to kind of, you know, be challenged. And I don't mean in a competitive way. I mean just to be challenged about what your own capabilities are. And sometimes when you see other performers from different places that are doing rad stuff, it gives you ideas, it helps you hone your craft more, it helps you kind of expand what's possible. And so we try to do that for people in the local scene as well, just to have them bump up against different music that expands their. Their wheelhouse.

11:15
Sophia Magnanini
Right, that's really cool. Very inspirational, especially for. I can imagine people who go to the festival that aren't really. That weren't originally that into electronic type music, but then hearing it and seeing all the different genres that it brings and it kind of plants seeds in their mind of, oh, I really like this artist. Or like, oh, this is really cool. Let me try something like that. Similar.

11:41
Kai Riedl
Exactly, exactly. And again, like, you know, I usually perform a set at Slingshot myself. And I will tell you, I try to do better because I know that the quality is high, you know, and so I, I put a little more effort into my set, even though I haven't had a lot of time to work on it at the moment. God bless me, but it just, you know, I'm a little bit of the school. Like stones that rub together, polish each other. And so, you know, we need to be inspired, we need to be challenged, we need to, you know, we need all those things to grow. And sometimes in North Carolina there aren't tons of other opportunities. And so it just helps, hopefully. It just expands everybody's, you know, horizon about what's possible.

12:31
Sophia Magnanini
Yeah, it expands the scope of creativity almost, which is really.

12:36
Kai Riedl
I try, I try. And also gives. Gives you a window about what's going on the international community as well, because you don't have access to a lot of these things. And during Slingshot you have kind of a concentrated access to a lot of these performers. And it helps, you know, it's economical, if you will, to go check these things out once a year, things like.

12:59
Sophia Magnanini
That, which is really cool. And I bet, yeah, they're going there. There's just so many different people that it's like you might not have heard of that are just so cool. And especially the international. But yeah, and also the.

13:14
Kai Riedl
People that come out are always inspiring. And the people, the community that comes out, just them alone. You know, there's been years where I'm like, man, this is just too hard to do. I just like, it's just hard sometimes, especially here in Durham sometimes. And then the event happens and I see the people that come out and just Their enthusiasm, their presence, their own creative aspect they bring to the festival. It always re. Energizes me and I'm always like, okay, let's go again. Here we go.

13:46
Sophia Magnanini
Which is. Yeah, really, because the festival, I feel like, is so different. Different from. I mean, of course there are the music festivals where it's just kind of like the bands, like the jam bands and such, but this, I feel like has such a, A different energy to it and it's so many different types of. Which is really cool. And I can only imagine the people coming out. Really cool, really great people.

14:09
Kai Riedl
They're, they're lovely. They're lovely. And I'm, I'm always so grateful for them. And, and you know, I think anybody that runs these kind of endeavors, sometimes it gets really hard to do and then you'll get a message from somebody that them coming out really meant something to them or things like that. And it's just, it's really special, honestly. It's really special. And we're also, we're an artist run festival. So, you know, our sound people, our producer, myself, like, we all actually all perform at the festival too. So I like this idea of like us putting it on the line as well. As well, because it just, you know, it's easy to be a selector or curator, but when you have to put it on the line yourself in front of your peers, it helps really make sure you're walking the walk as well.

14:57
Sophia Magnanini
Yes, yes.

14:58
Kai Riedl
And it's terrifying also, by the way.

15:01
Sophia Magnanini
But it kind of evens the playing field out.

15:05
Kai Riedl
Yeah, it does. It's like we're not only asking for you to perform, we're here to kind of like expose ourselves as well. And you know, it's just, it can be stressful because you're doing this whole thing and then also performing on top of it. So don't get me wrong, it's a little insane, but I like this idea of it being artist run and categorically inclusive and just like we're all in this together a little bit.

15:32
Sophia Magnanini
Is your artist name also Karito or do you have a.

15:37
Kai Riedl
It's A. I, I go right now, I just go under Kaibo K I B O, which is a nickname my friend has for me. And that's just because literally was like, when you're trying to figure out a band name, it's always like you're racking your brain and I mean, if anybody's ever put a band together, like the name is always this like, oh my. You know, and so. And I've named. I've had. I've been under synonyms that are just terrible in retrospect. It's like, oh, my God, this is so. He was like, just call it Kaibo because it's. My name's in there. And so I just said, that sounds good to me. Let's just roll with that instead of something super heady, things like that.

16:14
Sophia Magnanini
No, Yeah, I love that.

16:15
Kai Riedl
That's how I'm rolling. That's how I'm rolling right now.

16:17
Sophia Magnanini
No, that's a. I really do like that name too. And also, listeners that go to the festival want to check it out Kibo.

16:24
Kai Riedl
Right? Yeah, there it is out there. Humbling myself by the hour.

16:32
Sophia Magnanini
I love that. But my next question was kind of Electronic arts are a big part of the festival. And can you kind of tell us how it's kind of shaped or technology shapes the festival experience or if there's any kind of interactive installations or immersive experiences that are planned for this year?

16:49
Kai Riedl
Yeah, yeah. So the way we're. We've done immersive experiences in the past. The way we're doing the electronic art part this year are people that work in sound are going to be running some workshops and things like that. So there's a. There's a duo from Indonesia that actually hooks up plants and takes the data from plants and then makes music out of that data, these kinds of things. We have another person called Rose R O S E that's going to do a workshop on site about some of their production techniques. And there's another. Some. Some other sound installation things happening. So it's a little less visual this year and a little more sound based in the tech sphere. But our goal is to increase the visual aspect of things. We. We work with the fruit.

17:39
Kai Riedl
I don't know if you've been to the fruit over here.

17:42
Sophia Magnanini
I have not.

17:42
Kai Riedl
It's a big. A big art warehouse, basically. So the goal is to gradually use it more and more immersively. And of course there's lights and there's lasers, blah, blah. But on the technology front, we're working more kind of on the sound front this year. People that are doing interesting. So, like more sound immersion than visual immersion, if that makes any sense.

18:03
Sophia Magnanini
Which that's really cool because also I feel like you get a lot of visual immersion from different things. But sound immersion, I feel like, is very, like, unique, especially the ways that you're describing the different events that you guys have Planned. That sounds really cool.

18:19
Kai Riedl
Yeah, I mean, and we're all sound, we're sound obsessed. You know, let's just be honest over here. So, so we just kind of work in that domain and I mean, there's some visual stuff, but I'm excited about some of these people that are trying to push sound in new ways and how they can demonstrate that for people, how they can get people involved with things like that.

18:39
Sophia Magnanini
Oh, that's really cool. Have you had any challenges or. Well, of course there's probably tons and tons of challenges putting a whole festival together, but do you have any challenges with blending the different artistic mediums or does it kind of mesh together in its own way? What's the most rewarding thing?

18:59
Kai Riedl
That's a great question. That's a great question. I mean, a lot of the curation comes from my worldview, which is all these kind of different genres are related and are intermingling in certain ways. And the esthetics may, what the sound is may be different, but the esthetics and the approach is somewhat similar. So, you know, we wind up usually running the ambient stuff a little bit earlier in the evening and some of the harder stuff later in the evening. So has a nice graduation and there's some pop musicians even coming. So, you know, there is a little bit delicacy on how to kind of make it all work together. But after doing this for so long, like, I've kind of figured out how to put things against each other or how to program it.

19:46
Kai Riedl
So it feels like it's one worldview just expressed in a bunch of different ways, if you will. Is it always easy? No, because the fruit is set up as a warehouse, so we have different rooms in the warehouse that we're doing. And so if somebody's doing soft things in one room and really loud things in the other room, it can be hard sometimes. But this is really, you know, this is an event for, for sound and music lovers, really. And, and so, you know, if you have that attitude going into it tends to make sense as you go along because that's the primary driving force and worldview less about, you know, does it all evenly match?

20:31
Kai Riedl
It's more about, you know, some sound obsessed people that are, you know, seeing this myriad of ways sound is expressing stuff around the globe quite often and electronic music, basically, which.

20:44
Sophia Magnanini
That is just so unique. I feel like I could. That would also be really cool, like being in one set and kind of hearing Another set and it, like merging.

20:54
Kai Riedl
You know, it does merge. It does merge. So, yeah, people. People wind up jamming together even though they don't know they're jamming together sometimes. But. But yeah, you know, we have. And there's also some softer things, some, you know, that play early evening, so it's not all hard kind of dance music. There are, you know, people that work in more soft mediums and more ambient mediums that are there. So, you know, we're. Yeah, it's. It's a. It's a. It's a family of music, but there's a bunch of different types, if you will.

21:27
Sophia Magnanini
I wanted to ask, where do you see Slingshot kind of heading in the next few years? And also just like the relationship between. Between music, technology and art as well as the festival kind of gains more and more traction.

21:41
Kai Riedl
Yeah, yeah, good question. I mean, I. We. We definitely want to expand in other venues in Durham and things like that. Like, try to integrate the whole of North Carolina here, quite honestly, because we're working with different museums and in different places and things like that. So I'd love to really unify North Carolina and just have everybody kind of concentrate here once a year in the Triangle for people that are doing all this kind of work, because there's a lot of creative people across North Carolina. You know, we're also going to be doing some stuff india and Brazil.

22:16
Sophia Magnanini
Oh, that's really cool.

22:18
Kai Riedl
Yeah, so we. We're doing a small Slingshot event india next year, something in Brazil. So we. We expand that way as well because we just. That's our worldview and we have connections there and people have asked us to do things. So I would love to do that. I would love to do more immersive installations in Durham. But also things outside of North Carolina are also important to us, quite honestly. I think it's part of our worldview to interact with the international community. And so it's very natural for us to partner with people in different parts of the world because, you know, Durham is not the most advanced music center, if you will. There's a lot of great music, but as far as, like, pushing music forward, it's not really the center for that.

23:09
Kai Riedl
And so obviously we like to maximize things here and bring as many people together here. But we also are looking at different countries and even different states to expand in as well as far as music and technology. Yeah. Just to keep asking. Answer a question. Were you going to say something? Sorry about that.

23:25
Sophia Magnanini
Oh, no. You're all good.

23:27
Kai Riedl
Okay. I was going to say, you know, that conversation of music, art and technology is slowly becoming not irrelevant, but everything's so fused together that's why we call it music electronic art, because it. It. You know, all. All music has some electronic art components to it and vice versa. But there are a lot of technologists we've worked with in the past that do, you know, data visualization, do, you know, sonification of data, these kinds of things. So maybe bringing those people back to the Triangle a little bit. During Moogfest and 2016-2019, it was kind of a hub for technology, so maybe integrating that a little bit more. But I think the conversation has to evolve. A lot of people have been talking about music, art and technology for a long time. And I'm trying to think what the next step of that conversation is.

24:25
Kai Riedl
So I don't have all the answers. I just know that a lot of the festival models and even they need to reauthorize themselves in a certain sense. And I'm trying to figure that out with Slingshot. At the same time, with changing environments, with AI, with audience changing, you know, there's a lot of. A lot of things in the world changing. Trying to figure out what the next move is.

24:53
Sophia Magnanini
That's really cool because. Yeah. As technology kind of grows, it also allows for all these kind of different new ways to make electronic art and also electronic.

25:04
Kai Riedl
Exactly.

25:05
Sophia Magnanini
Which is going to be really cool to see. And also it's really cool how you guys. It's a nice balance where it's like, showing the international artists that it's like we're. We're not only having you guys come to us, but we're going to go and come to you guys. So it's a nice kind of. It's probably really nice.

25:24
Kai Riedl
Yeah, yeah. And it's. It's, you know, there's a lot of interesting things happening all over the globe that a lot of us are completely unaware of. You know, Durham definitely isn't the center of all this, and neither is the U.S. you know, there's a lot of different things that are happening all over the globe that are completely incredible. The continent of. The continent of Africa, what's going on in Brazil, Mexico, in certain cities, India, like, they are doing some amazing things. And so it's humbling to ask to be a part of those things. And it, you know, we. It's the way information and creativity is traveling these days is so fast that we are kind of all in this together, if that makes any sense. Not to sound too utopian But I.

26:16
Sophia Magnanini
Mean, it is, it's true. What advice would you give to artists who would someday want to be a part of a festival like this? And also for our listeners who might want to get involved, what's the best way to support Slingshot?

26:28
Kai Riedl
Yeah, I appreciate that. On the artist front, you know, I. I have a habit that I listen to everything people send me, which can take some time sometimes, but, you know, I get random things that we are [e-mail] people find our email, they send me them stuff and I always listen to it. And what's been great about that is, yes, there's a lot of people that don't quite match, but I found some great artists, you know, through that. We have an artist coming from Mexico named Muxxe, which is MU X X X E, kind of performance artist, very interesting musician and performer, you know, wrote me on just the info at Slingshot and I listened to it and it was like, this is great. Let's go. So it's not all about just giant artists.

27:16
Kai Riedl
I'm trying to kind of uplift people that are doing things around the globe and locally. So I, I listen to it all. So the best way to do that is, you know, follow us on Instagram, see if you like what we're doing. Reach out to the info slingshot festival.com if you're generally interested, come out and join us, you know, in October. That would be great too. And yeah, as far as support that's how I would approach it. Yeah, I get a lot of random messages. I try, I try to respond to everything. I really do. Sometimes as the festival gets closer, I can't respond to everything. But I, I'm. I'm always, you know, it takes a lot to kind of put yourself out there and say, hey, I'd love to be a part of this. And that's.

28:00
Kai Riedl
No matter how big or small people are, that's always. I'm always grateful for that. So, you know, even if it makes no sense to come, you know, I'm just like, listen, I listened to. It was. It was great for what that is. It's not quite what we do, but it takes a lot. So. And we've all been there in a place where we've needed somebody just to hear us out.

28:22
Sophia Magnanini
That's extremely important, especially for, yeah, smaller artists. Giving them the opportunity to work with something, especially with like some bigger artists or just to get themselves out there is really.

28:34
Kai Riedl
Yeah, yeah. I mean, it always helps if you're a musician, to have a deadline is a great thing because you wind up getting your stuff done that you thought you were never going to get done. As we all know, this is not just music. So when people kind of sometimes when they perform with us, they know that, that it encourages them to get their work done. Myself included, by the way. I'm scrambling to get my own set to go, so I know it well. But yeah, I would love anybody's support. You know, we're artists run basically artist funded. So, you know, keeping that in mind, anybody that can come out and support us is helping the cause.

29:10
Sophia Magnanini
That's awesome. That's so cool. And if you did, just want to kind of give out a shout out to the times of the festival as well as where it's at.

29:20
Kai Riedl
Yeah, yeah. So we are October 10th through 12th in Durham at the Fruit. The hours are pretty much 7pm to 3am on both those days. We're probably going to start a little earlier on Saturday. If you look on Resident Advisor and look up Slingshot Festival, you can find our ticketing information. We go. You can go to slingshot festival.com and check out what we have going on there. Instagram, we're even on, we're on that as well. So there's a few areas you could learn about what the program might look like. And then we're October 10 through 12. There will be workshops during the day and music all happening between those hours. So.

30:05
Kai Riedl
And it's right here in Durham, so if you're in Raleigh, you know, you can zip over and even sleep in your own bed that same night, which is attractive to even me, quite honestly. It would be great to see the triangle come out because the people that work with us work very hard. And if you would like to see things like this happen more in Durham, any support is welcome. We'd love to see you.

30:27
Sophia Magnanini
No, perfect. I'm definitely gonna come and check it out because this sounds really cool and I hadn't heard about it previously, so I'm also hoping that from this, a lot of people like myself that haven't heard about it will learn and get real into it because it sounds.

30:42
Kai Riedl
That'd be great. There's a lot of dancing, a lot of opportunity to see, you know, electronic artists that are on a level that you don't get to catch every day. So please come out. We'd love to see you. Hey, so thank you so much for your time.

30:57
Sophia Magnanini
No, thank you so much.

30:58
Kai Riedl
It's been a great conversation. Yeah, yeah, thanks. Everyone listening. You're good.

31:03
Sophia Magnanini
But as we come up on the end of our chat, just want to thank you all again for listening and for Kai Riedle for coming in for that amazing conversation. I think you guys should all check him out. All go to Slingshot Festival because it sounds so cool. Once again, thank you all for listening to Oak City Move. I'm your host, Sofia Magnanini, and if you're interested in listening to this episode again or to past episodes of the show, you can go to wknc.org podcast and make sure to tune into our show every other Monday. I think now it's going to be every Monday on WKNC 88.1 FM Raleigh. Have a great day, y'. All.