Looking For Real Life Supervillains? | (Ep. 203)

Nate and Brian catch back up on the trailer for Toy Story 5, then they tackle the question "Why is everybody looking for someone to blame?"

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It is not a dispensationalist, anti-dispensationalist. It is as old as the garden. We thought Epstein was gonna be this thing that exposed the reason why life is kind of hard right now. Personal guilt, all that's boiling up, and you're looking for an outlet, you're looking for a lightning rod, where will the lightning fall? It's going to fall on Israel. And as a side note, this is where I'll say three cheers for our Jewish overlords. And what I mean by that is... Meta Gold, step a king on the road, when our first fell, fire burning, demonies, demonies, our fell, Meta Gold, step a king on the road. Hey, we are in the echo box. The brand new echo box freshly owned by Nathan D. Wilson. Ha, ha, ha. Welcome to SASF 2026. You thought we were dead. I never thought we were dead. This episode is called The Revenant. There was a bear attack. Well, we're not dead. We crawled out of the Rockies on our hands and knees, but here we are. Yep. Many fun things going on, none of which can be discussed. It basically skipped the whole wearing a grown-up shirt thing. We get this one podcast that then it's Traxies in starts Friday, and I'm just going to be in sweats. I'm just going to be in sweats from here and out, but we have to, I think I guaranteed 250 episodes. At some point. So I feel like we have to at least hit 250 before we finish. Everybody should have known. Yeah, an ash town has to get out too. So that's how everybody, all the true fans knew that we weren't dead. We weren't quite dead. Anyways, it was a mere flesh wound. Yeah. It felt like more than that, but really, flesh wounds. Ha, ha, ha. Here we are. So yeah, kicking off this new, I'm going to try the America this week thing where I change the format on you, all live on air, you know? Yeah, let's do it. And begin each section with talking about something new, a new film. Something new, something borrowed, something blue. Yeah, we need a rhyming thing. But yeah, starting off with what I've heard is like, something that's going to reboot Disney. It's the new, the newest of the new trailers that make everybody very excited. It is Toy Story 5, of course. Toy Story Sinka, oh. Yes, that would be funny if they called it that, but no, we're trying to go back to the greatest hits. Back to the well. So why not? I guess that's my question for you. Is are my children, my youngest children, going to grow up thinking of Toy Story as sort of land before time? They're like, aren't there like 15 of those movies? 37. Why wouldn't you do Toy Story 5? Because Toy Story 4 was so bad, you lost the movie making privilege of being able to continue it. Or you have to do penance. Okay. What did you think of that trailer? Better than Toy Story 4, for sure. So our bar is now set by the previous two. The previous two were three head moments and non-moments, a mix of good and bad for, I didn't even bother. I heard plenty, red plenty. Yeah, I told my children we would not speak of four again, and now here I am breaking my back. And then now here comes five with their like, you know what, the whole plot is, we want children to play outside and not be glued to their devices. So we've made them a moving picture show to watch on their devices. So it's going to go great. This is one of those things where some creatives kind of kick against the goats of their creation. Yeah. Disney. Really Disney, you want to kick against screens? You're the ones who don't like screens? Yeah. It's like Ready Player One where everybody at the end, they're like, you know what, let's just turn it off on Tuesdays. You know, it's like maybe a little more moderation in our complete addiction to artificial reality. Let's be out here in the sucky world on Tuesdays, or whatever it was. I don't remember the exact deal was at the end of Ready Player One. Chris, you read that one. This has got that vibe of like, oh, wait, ourself loathing has now inflected a little bit. It's inflected a little further. So. Yeah, I mean, I can see why they moved away from the, you know, the sort of, the shepherds character out kicking butt in the wilds, which was the arc of four, back to try to get the gang back together. It seemed like in three, the big strawberry bear was kind of fun at times. Lots of, yeah. And Barbies, yeah, a lot of Barbie humor. Right. And the whole daycare concept was a funny concept. That was fun, yeah. Yeah. But they kind of poached it in various places. But if you are sitting enough on a franchise where you can just go profit another half a billion dollars by making another one, are you really going to not, Brian? No, you're correct. I mean, you're sitting in that like self-righteous position. That's what fans, that's all we have, Nate. No, it's not. What we have is well-reasoned neutrality. We come at this as objective observers, and I look at this and say, it makes complete sense. Who does it mean the movie will be good? The initial trailer at least is more healthy. And given that they, I don't trust any of these people involved, the odds of it actually being healthier, pretty low. But the initial trailer is kind of like, okay, so she is trying to, the little sister is trying to deal with all the other little neighbor girls who were also on screens and everybody's got their screens. And you don't fit in if you don't have one. Yeah. Which is all real stuff. Yeah, it's kind of like, okay, there we go. So. Toys are for fun, but tech is for everything. I do feel like OpenAI would use that unabashedly. Tech is for everything. Yeah. Okay. Exactly. So I mean, I look at it and like, eh. So the new CEO, why I have daughters, I'll have them go watch it. And then they can let me know. I'll listen to their podcast about it. Not ours. I'm not watching it. Maybe you watch the trailer. Well, yeah, they could convince me to. So like if they went like, yeah, you know, you really need to see this then maybe I would. But what's the point of the next generation? If not to do the ugly lifting that I don't want to do? Yeah, somebody who, yeah, grew up thinking toys are the first two who are amazing. Yep. And see if it can save itself. And actually, I've used the first two often in conversations in Hollywood in the industry and outside the industry around why the innovations of animation and technique and everything else just kind of don't matter. Sure. Because if you nailed the story, it didn't matter that I like. Toy Story 2. You could release it with the animation quality of Toy Story 2. And it would really do well. Like you don't actually need to continue to chase more and more difficult, you know, higher, higher barrier to entry animation technique. I mean, you can see the lighting in that trailer of where they're making fun of Woody's bald head, you know. You can see how much they've improved with this that amazing light show from the back of his head. And then realize like that doesn't matter. But this is ultimately, I think Pixar is kind of where a lot of millennials have just kind of gone through their various life cycles and crises. Now we have the aging one. Yeah, inside out is ridiculous. And to have done a second one of those was ridiculous. And it made so, so much money. Yeah. And all these different phases of what Pixar did and there's this early rhythm of the guys who kind of got me to and bought out and pushed to the corner. Their rhythm through like apocalypse with Wally and Incredibles. And you know, what are you, you kind of the chubby middle aged dad? What do you even for anymore? And like having to knuckle down and find in Nemo is the fear like raising the young child. And there's all these pieces that are very paternal. It's all this paternal perspective of various threats. And emotional situations and so on. Those are the creators, but then the children who grew up on it have a completely different arc. Then those are kind of the millennials who really consumed it or cataclyzed by the Pixar stories. And have more than the previous generation was cataclyzed by old Disney. And then you have this generation that's come of age, come to middle age cataclyzed by new Disney Pixar. And then you have something like this, which is like, okay, so new creators having reached this, this true point of uselessness and rethinking life and what am I for? And they're going to come to some kind of epicurean, you know, conclusion. Yeah. I mean, I am curious what will be a little bit of stoicism thrown in there. Some Marcus are really us from buzz, maybe. I mean, what is what he's supposed to do? He's a toy and he left the children. So him coming back, it's like, what is he going to become a superhero? I think that's set up pretty hard. I mean, it's hard to resolve that. What is back? Yeah. Okay. So you can just stay here. Is he abandoning someone else? What's going to happen next? What problem are we solving? What's the mission? I don't know. Other than technology is everywhere. I guess hating the robots is the one part that's a... We can all unite around that. We can all hate the pad. Yep. Yeah. Okay. Boom. Done. Now we're moving in. Let's see. It's almost the end of February now. So we've missed a lot of... Grim. Grim reality. We're almost through the F month. But then everything's going to get cheerful again. Yep. I mean, we were not podcasting when we grabbed Maduro. We were not podcasting and all sorts of things. There's just things that we missed. That's right. That was really fun. I mean, we just had American winning double gold. We have the women in their fields refusing to come to the state of the union. We have the men, men, raw, raw, which is funny. Anyway, anyway, we're in the Olympics. We're making fun of Canadians for not winning a medal. Yeah, non-stop bullying of Canadians. We are hurtling towards the midterms, which are going to be just so much fun. Oh my goodness. And, you know, just... There's a desensitized... I don't know everywhere. There's a sense of desensitization. The entire world. Over the place. It may be fake. Everything could be fake. Yeah. Like, okay. So we snatched a dictator. That was fun for like 48 hours of memes. The money didn't show up in our pockets as we were promised. So... Oh, well. Oh, well. The now we're, you know, gathering the fleet by Iran. Yeah. We bombed their nuclear capacity into the Stone Age. And then here we are eight months later, worried about their nuclear capacity again. And Epstein has been nuking people, speaking of nuclear capacity. Yeah. Left and right. Right. Disgusting stuff. Disgusting stuff. But it hasn't been the giant catharsis that I think, which I think is driving a lot of what I was hoping to talk about today is that search for the supervillain that is the problem of everything. Yeah. And basically the question of how come we're so bad at identifying supervillains? Or perhaps is the quest to manufacture a supervillain that you can blame all your problems on? Is that fun? The problem is that everybody's personal villainy, everybody's a shareholder in the villainy. And that actually is the number one problem that is faced. So when you have everybody who is participating in the villainy to some extent in some ways, and they're all shareholders in it, which is to say shareholders in this a on of digital consumption and fakery. Yeah. Shareholders in like useless AI expansion, everything else like everybody's participating to some degree. Shareholders in the boom bust of social media. Yeah. Shareholders in having been idiots. How many people have published how many retractions? And like it's just the whole population is all in this moment of of flux. And they're all part of the flux and helping create the flux. And in these moments of convection like that, then yeah, we want a villain. And we don't we won't get one. There's not one. We thought Epstein was going to be this thing that exposed the reason why life is kind of hard right now. Why February's gray? That was going to be it. It was going to be him. And then we find out it's terrible to botch stuff, but unfortunately it's a lot of what a lot of people are doing in their own private lives. Just perhaps volume turned down one or two. So you think about how many people who have expressed outrage about Epstein are on the sex apps. Well, how many people who are shaking their fists have swiped? Yeah. You know, have found matches. We've been on Tinder, Hinge, Grindr. Have been on these just blind one nightstand sexual stranger, no guilt things. And okay, so a lot, especially on the left, but the right to. And then push further and make okay, how many people who have shaken their fists at this have been on porn hub have been on these websites that are fueled and run by guys like Epstein, you know, who bankrolled it all and follow the money. Sure, there's all the there's these maybe, you know, Hungarian bond villains back there somewhere, but the shareholders in that whole enterprise is us are everywhere. They're all over the place. And that's the problem. And so when you have a guilty people, they do, you just a rarred style, look for the scapegoat, they look for the lightning rod, they want to have the. And the and the part about Epstein is he's dead. So that lasted even a shorter amount of time than we thought it could. And nobody even cares whether he was murdered. Yeah. They're just kind of like, yeah, like whatever he's dead. It's like reaching the moment in the pro life movement when you realize, oh, I can't, it doesn't matter if I convince them it's a baby. They know it's a baby. They're just killing the baby because they don't want the baby. Where it's like because it's feels driven, emotion driven, and you have a bunch of sentimental evangelicals are trying to appeal to the sentiment. I mean, don't you know this is a baby? It's adorable. You know, like, it's a human child and then you have a bunch of people there up against who have the exact same calibration, the same operating system that the evangelicals do, which is following your feelings. And so the evangelicals are following their feelings sentimentally, trying to defend the innocent appealing to the innocence of the baby like a precious moment's figurine. And then the pro choice peeps are following their sentiment of like, no, but I want my freedom. You don't understand my feelings line up here. And the pro lifeers are like, but my feelings line up here. And they're just both appealing to feelings. And so the pro choice peeps are fine murdering the baby because they don't feel like having to deal with that. And the pro lifeers are not okay with that because they feel all this sentiment. And so what you need is the actual proclamation of the law of God and the declaration of guilt. You need real gospel preaching and you need people's feelings to go in the fire on both sides. Yeah. Because our obligation, duty, morality, how long's it been since we've had old time e-gospel preachers willing to talk about the wrath of God. And I know something my father's pointed out often is the blindness of the abortion movement is the wrath of God. And so when people, yeah, we want to yell at them and say, don't you know, you're just destroying yourselves, you're destroying the West, you're a lunatic and you're self-harming. Don't you know? Yeah, how many children have we killed? You are going to anger God. It's like they have. We have. This is the anger of God. You know, this is the anger of God being dumped on the generation of people that have waxed fat and kicked and will do anything they feel like doing to serve their own feelings. And another generation that'll never survive or never live now. Yes. That is basically minus. Minus. Now in God's trick shots, the brutality of it is there's there's an article a long time ago. I think it's about the Bush win, the W win in Florida. I think headline might have been the Wall Street Journal, the empty cradle will rock on the voter dynamics of row. Okay. And how many voting members of leftist families were missing from the population, which is all the only thing that enabled conservatives to take some measure of power. Now they since that time and since realizing that have gone with the new approach is like they haven't decided you know what you're right, we should raise our children because that's still an incombrance what they're doing is flooding the state with welfare beneficiaries who can then immediately vote. They've been just going open borders immigration as a way to deal with their lack of reproduction. Yeah. I am porting a new class of voter. So the the right the conservatives have been raising kids and failing at it for a long time and have been supplying both armies with their children. So you have the apostates of evangelicals who are on the left and then people who are actually of their fathers who remain on the right. But they've been the brood mayors of both for a long time. And over generations it you know since row was legalized it kind of tipped towards the right. You know the right was starting to win and then you have this influx the you know the mad influx of we need people to come in who desperately need entitlement who need state benefits. Who are going to flow in and be given all these things taken from the taxes of the right. Given to them it's one of the great schemes and of course that's why Trump is fighting as hard as he is. That's also why you see the left fighting as hard as they are. Why are they willing to fight so hard in Minnesota? Why are they willing to dig in so hard over this? That's right. We didn't even talk about all the ice. Yeah. This is actually it's existential for them. So yeah. If they lose this they're not going to start having kids and raising kids. They've already murdered their downstream generations. And this in where we are right now where the boomers are all about to exit and this huge population crash is coming and all the old white ladies are going to go away and we're going to be left with Gen X millennial and down gender division and gender strife which is incredible. Yeah. That's really striking right. I mean I think but the rights can be more and more empowered with this with this population crash. And so this immigration influx is essential to the left's designs. Do you think is that why I guess villain creating is kind of required if you're scrambling to create a coalition that can defeat somebody in power? Is that why we keep having every single thing becomes? Well I guess what I'm talking about specifically is seeing the very anti-Israel BLM side now. So it's not. It used to be like an all or just an all right thing it felt like you'd see the the the. No I think about the squad. Yeah. That was 2015. I think when the squad first showed up. Rashida Tali, Ilan Omar, AOC. There were others but they they rolled in wildly anti-Semitic. Gotcha. You know it's like it's the left the hard left the progressive left has been anti-Semitic for a long time. Faracan nation of Islam and so on. That's been there and the weird thing to me is to see right wingers start parodying AOC Ilan Omar talking points. So the right yes there always been looney tins racists on the right and racists on the left. Those have always been there but the fact that their numbers are increasing on both sides. So strange to me. I guess that's part of the question here. It feels like we've gotten worse at thinking through sides of an issue like we're not rational. We thought the end of the push would help us figure out what other points of view are. Instead it's the opposite. Rationality is long gone. We just the only thing we do is demonize or perhaps that's not the right way to put it but it feels like the creation all the big platforms right now all deal with the creation of villains. I'm thinking Candace. I'm thinking Fentus. I'm thinking it feels like that's their whole job is like I've got to tell a story in which there's a villain that's revealed by me so that we can move forward with our life. Like what's going on there? Is that something that's always been that way? Is that what AOC and the squad or is there something new happening? Obviously. So here's the funny part and I think the jokes on the right right now. The left has been self-harming forever. The right is finally catching up and like wait is cutting fun. We can hurt ourselves. We also can cut our inner thighs with glass. This look good. That's a terrible hit. Yeah. The right is joining in in the self-harming and the self-loathing and we saw the first iteration of it in BLM and white fragility and white people are the worst white white, white bad, bad, bad. I thought that was all just Trump but I'm now saying Trump's just yet another... Well, everything's... He's a particular lymph node that the cancer has reached I guess. It's more complex than that. It's more like a swing set. So... Or is that simpler than a lymph node? Yeah. No, it's more complex. In terms of predictive nature, there are roads but there's also just things swinging in different directions. And so... Gotcha. There is no stasis. Let's put it that way. There is never stasis. There's only current and moving and there are times... I'm stealing this from my son who used this metaphor and I like it a lot. I think it works really effectively. There are times of stagnation and congealing. And once something stagnates and congeals, all it's doing is building a pressure behind it. So it's never stopping the current. It just temporarily quarks it until the explosion. And so you're always in a moment of convection or deconvection say, so there's some kind of eruption and then settling and then eruption and then settling. That's always going. So structures are always like trying to hold onto power and trying to control people and civilization and then breaking up, cracking up. So for doing bush, Obama, I guess, Bush Obama Trump Biden Trump. So you're saying that's the swing set. There's just... We're actually just having a lot of explosions. I think this is like a boiling pot. Gotcha. And there's just... You haven't had a moment of congealing, but perhaps those early late 90s, early 1000s when I'm on the moment of... Oh, yeah, congealing, but you see it. So under Obama, there was some recongealing. Sure. You know, it's like you see it and you see it move and change things settle down. But we're going to... This is how it is now. And the woke man, the woke came, they grabbed it and they're like, this is how it is now. And they tried to congeal that as just... This is status quo from now on. What are your pronouns? Sensitivity, boys and girls sports. This is it. And then there's that convection reaction. So there's always people trying to grab and hold and... And comedian. And even their side, I guess you're right, even their side kind of squirted out in the train's movement, which a lot of normal Obama guys were like, whoa. Yeah, like what? You know, my kids just became a different gender. Yeah. And the true believers were throwing their kids on the altar to this new status quo. But anyway, there's this convection and congenial and things are either exploding and flying apart or they're settling. And you can't... Basically, what goes up must come down. You can't have an eruption without all the lava landing and trying to harden. You can't have it at all. A perpetually erupting volcano is rare. It settles and it goes and it settles and it goes. And I think that's kind of what we are in. I think that's what civilization is. I think that's what human history has been. And so you have different parts of strong reinforcement, like the Roman Empire. And yet look at the volatility inside the history of Rome. You know, it's like an island rose up from this volcano in the sea. And there's all this chaos and it's conquering things and being pushed against. So yeah, Rome continued to expand. But at the heart of Rome, politically, the power structures were influx constantly. So you have convection, you have congenialing, you have all these things going on. Weirdly, we had this moment where the lefties grabbed power, tried to solidify everything and were like, whites are guilty of everything. And like a moment of the French Revolution, a lot of secular leftist Jews were in that Robespierre seat where they were like leading the revolution and being like, yep, let's clamp it down right here. This is it, the progressive dream. And then we're going to keep on doing what we are staying on this road. They've grabbed the satnav and this is what we're doing. So pronouns please and vaccine mandates. And we're going to do all this stuff, but they overdid it. And then the the convection came, the eruption came. And the irony is they scolded a bunch of white people who got sick of being scolded. And the dumbest of them, the fringe and the core got sick of it and just really wanted to scold. They've really wanted to pass it on. It's like that cycle of bullies. So you have the whites have just been in the right, have just been called racist. They've been both, they've been told all these things, you're anti-semitic, you're racist, you're all these things. And then you have them turning and wanting to be like, the Jews. And just go and go off on them, which is ironic because in all of this anti-semitic leftism, the Jews have been seeing as like the super white man, like the whitest of the white man, the beating heart of white power. Like they're not ethnically treated differently. They're part of the whole whiteness thing in terms of the leftist construct. So whites, money, universities, higher ed civilization. Yeah. And then race is Spielberg when he ticks the box on his application. It's like white. Yeah. That's the same thing with Epstein, white. And on down. So obviously, Israeli is different. Is it? You know, but there's the super whiteness. Sure. I mean, so it's been funny to see the mediocre whites turn and lash out and like pass it on from BLM being like, you've been berating us, but I'll tell you the real problem is it's these other white guys. And like, it's like a reverse inner ring thing where you're trying to join the club and you're trying to get more and more elite clubs. It's actually this inner ring thing, this Russian doll thing of scapegoating. And so whites in general are scapegoated by a lot of the left. And then they've helped shrink it down to like, can we just, I'm not guilty. It's not me. It's that white guy. Yeah. Over there, who's better at chess than I am. He's the problem. Yeah. Which has been really, really weird to watch. And it's just stupid. I mean, it's just really, really stupid, but see, human reflection. It's part of this convection, part of this eruption. Is it, I guess, I'm trying to move it into story realm here. Is this the Jason Bourne situation where Jason, Jason Bourne's constantly finding who the inner ring guy who's coming after him and then never stops? Like, is it? Like that hideous strength where you get to a place and you run into wither at the nice and he's just talking nonsense. So you've reached the center bad guy spot and you talk to the bad guy. You get all the way to the top of the, you know, the little building on top of the Aztec temple. You've gotten all the way up there and you're like, surely this man has communed with the gods. He has all the strings of power that he pulls and he get up there and he smells really bad and is sweating and his feathers and has gas. It's just a, it's just a weird human up there. And no, he's not some super genius. He's talking nonsense. You know, he's serving the darkness and his own urges and chasing his own feelings. And he just, you know, that's it. It's kind of, I think it's remarkably underwhelming. That's, I think that underwhelming provides some of the emotional anger, but it's driving the desire to find something better, a better ending to the story or better by something that's worthy or something that explains why my life is, or why I struggle or why our country feels like it's under such pressure. What's the root cause of the lava at the bottom of the volcano? You're like, I'm going to find that one rock that's causing all this. Good luck. Turns out there's just a lot of lava. It's all sin. Yeah. And then lots of people chasing their own feelings, being easily steered by other people manipulated as they, as all the crabs to change the metaphor, like you're trying to claw their way out of the bucket. You know, and some get to some point of control and manipulation and they withhold judgment and or, you know, damnation or inclusion, exclusion, like all these levers of people using against each other socially. And it's really, it's really quite base. And I think Lewis really understood it profoundly and like you get all the way, all the way to the center. What do you find? Do you find some demonism? You find it, it looks like a medicine man. So I guess, yeah, out of the bush, you get to the highest rooms of control and power of scientism or of the elite and you're going to get in there and they're going to be rattling the death rattle and doing some incense and they may or may not be working with real demons, but they are working with real sin. And I think it reminds me we were talking Romans earlier, but that horse quote about you can drive nature out with a pitch fork, but it's like the goat coming back around in it through the back door. It's like part of nature is that demonism. Like that. It's part of children's built in. And so you can be like, hey, we got rid of it. There's no spirits and a deep resentment of humanity on the part of the fallen demons. So they hate it all. So you think about the way fallen man hates the Jews and then you think about the way fallen angels hate all of man and especially the Jews. So where you see that hatred, biting and bloodshed and lust. Yep. That's like demonic. Those signals. And yeah, that's the signal. Slender accusation lies murder like cruelty. And again, back to Lewis, he understood, you can see in Parallandra beautifully that evil, the more pure the evil, the more petty it becomes. Okay. Speaking of petty and maybe doing a little my own scapegoating, but when I hear people say Israel has a biblical right to conquer the entire Middle East, which Huckabee said or whatever lately, I think to myself, all the problems would go away if people would stop being so dispensationalist. Is that really stupid? Yes. Okay, walk me through that. Yeah. So I think I've told the story before, but I was on a film production in Israel 16 years ago. And on a lunch break, we had a mixed crew. And so there was a Palestinian guy, Israeli Arab guy, religious Jew, Tel Aviv, party boy Jew. And we're all eating lunch together. And I talked to the Palestinian quite a bit and kind of like trying to assess things and talk to everybody. And then we're all sitting here eating pizzas. And I'm thinking, look at America who just showed up. I'm like, I'm going to poke the bruise. I'm going to ask these people. So I go through every single one of these guys I'm working with. And I say, where will Israel be in 10 years? And remember, this is 16 years ago. And what is the single biggest thing Israel needs to do? And starting with the Israeli Arab through the religious and secular Jews, like through the whole thing, all of them, representative of these glasses, said the same two things. One, Israel will be gone in 10 years. It'll be destroyed. It will not exist. Like its neighbors will have devoured it successfully within a decade. That's part one. They all agreed on that. Part two was they all said, Israel needs to be more liberal. They need to be more tolerant. They need to be more inclusive. And remember, 16 years ago, this was the gospel of the moment. Like if they could only be more inclusive, more welcoming, open the borders a little bit more. And promote Muslims to power and Palestinians and all these things. They could just be more inclusive and more liberal. All the problems would go away. And they all agreed on that. They all agreed Israel will be destroyed within 10 years. And they all, it was hopeless. And they also, for some reason, all agreed that this is what they should be doing in the meantime. Being inclusive and liberalizing. Except for the Palestinian. And everybody's eating. And we're all eating here. And he's at the end of the table. And I asked him last. And he agreed that Israel will be destroyed within 10 years. And I said, what needs to happen for all these things to be solved? And he said, every effing Jew must die. And I look around the table and everybody just keeps taking their bites and chewing. They get to hear this all the time. This is just constant. And he says it to all of them. We're all sitting here working together. And he says that they all must die. And he then elaborates and says, until every Jew in the world has been killed, there will be no peace. Wow. Like, okay. Like, this is interesting. Yeah. Like, that's it. And these people are all like, we need to be more inclusive of dudes like this. Yeah. We need to invite him into our homes. We need to like bring him across the border more often, more work visas for these guys. Like, more inclusion in Israeli society. And while that's what he's calling for, and casually, well, eating lunch and none of them flinch, I flinch, none of them flinch. And then I'm up on down the ridge line on the amount of all of some sitting in a Jewish graveyard. And we're doing some pickups. I'm with the Palestinian guy. And there's all these horns honking, bunch of horn start honking and from a distance, I see this car caravan kind of reach. It actually weirdly, it was a movie moment because Kimber was a long way away and then arrived next to us. There was a Lexus in the front, Palestinian flags on it, bunch of toyotas behind it. A bunch of kids pour out of the toyotas, can run enough for the Lexus, give an old man out of the back. And I'm watching what's going on. Like, what is happening? Like, we were trying to film this sunset over Jerusalem and now it's all just cacophony and noise in this graveyard. And the Palestinian tells me, oh, that man murdered, I think it was seven Jews. He's like, he murdered seven Jews a long time ago. And he was just released from prison. And so his grandchildren from prison have brought him here to stomp on the graves of his victims as his first act out of prison. And so these little kids have this old man's hand and they lead him through the graveyard to these different graves. And he spits and stomps on every one of his murder victims. And that's demonic. Like, okay, and the catechism of these children having pre-identified, they're very proud of their grandfather's conquests and pre-identified this and leading him there. Anyway, all this to say, the problem is not dispensationalism. So the problem is, there's nothing like American dispensationalists. Have their problems. Sure. But this is not caused by that. It just isn't. So there's some deep hatred. Deep, deep, deep all the way to the grave. Hard-wired, hard-wired, way back thousands of years, there's deep loathing, deep hatred, blood hatred, kill them at all costs, hatred. This is a blood feud of blood feuds. There's many blood feuds in the world. Gotcha. This one is peak. Yeah. Like, it is just up there. And so when you say, man, if only dispensationalism Kentucky didn't provide as much emotional support for Israel, this would all be solved. It's like, no, no, it would not. The dispute is over whether every effing Jew must die or not. That's what the dispute is. And when the side is phrased or when it's phrased that way, we have actually a much better way to categorize genocide in the situation. And so I can look at the foundation of Israel, the formation of Israel and say, I wouldn't have done it that way. Yeah, bad motivations, poor care, it's a move point. Yeah. Just like I can look at how Manhattan was acquired and say, yeah, that's... I think for a couple of skins, right? Well, actually, the payment was interesting. It's interesting, the payment, which was some blankets and some knives and stuff for all of Manhattan was actually pretty market value. That was a good payment. Yeah. But if I understand correctly, they paid the wrong tribe who claimed to own it and sold somebody else's. So no, I'm not a historian. That's why I've been told. It's not just white people who just fraud other people. Yeah. I'm saying this on a podcast as if I know this is what I've been told. I've read articles that actually estimate the inflationary value of the payment and there are like, that's actually kind of... Yeah, that's worth about what man is worth. It actually tracks, which is funny. But so I've read articles that argue that point, but then also seeing people say, yeah, but the problem was they bought it, quote unquote, from a rival tribe, not from the actual... They sold their enemies land to the like guys. No. Is that true or false? I don't know. But ultimately, does it matter now? No. No. It's like, no. It doesn't. Somebody can't show up and say, hey, the Dutch gave the hunting knives and the blankets to this other tribe. And this is our land and you never bought it from us. So did you just have to give it back now? Knock it all down. Go away. And so what Churchill and post-war and what happened post-World War II in terms of the establishment of the Jewish people in Israel is irrelevant to me completely. Now I happen to think that odds are pretty good. It was the best solution. Shabban postulates in the the Jewish policemen's union that he goes back into his old history of like, what if it was Alaska? We gave the Jews. What if we did that instead of Israel? Okay. Like let's let your mind wonder what's going on if we do that. Well, but they did this. This is what happened. The Israelis are where they are. Yeah. They're there now. And then by people who want to murder them. And then it becomes a practical question of what it would do and who helps. And then you can jump from there to say, okay, given this current terrain and there's a Western secular state over there in an area that also wants to see all of us dead. And the only antipathy older than, well, not quite as old as the Jews and the Muslims, but a really, really older antipathy between the Christians and the Muslims, which people like Tucker are currently trying to erase that goes back through the Crusades and so on. That's also an old blood feud. They also hate us. So having an ally and a foothold over there and the, it's called a variation of the bush doctrine of like, if we're going to have a massive fight, let's have it in your yard, not in our yard. Yeah. Let's not have 9-11s over here. Let's have conflict over in the Middle East. If you want to fight Americans, have at it with highly trained, deadly Americans with tanks and body armor and stealth bombers and so on. You want to fight Americans? We're going to do it in your yard. Yeah. And then you can have problems with that. You can argue and say, I wish that we're a Wanda and we let them kill each other. You can say that. You could. And I happen, like, there's all sorts of foreign policy things that are problematic. Many of them are problematic. But I would say the Golden Rule applies to nation states. It applies to kings. It applies to presidents. And so you have to remember Christ's admonitions and you have to think about your brother and think about things from his perspective and all your brothers, not just your brother and Sudan, who needs rescuing, but your brother and Kentucky that you're going to send to rescue him. Yeah. You have to think about all of it. But purely America first isolationism is a non-Christian approach to the world. As God blesses nations, they become empires. It just is going to happen that way. They can't not happen that way. And most people are fine with it when it's like Venezuela and Maduro and it's quick and we get in and out. They don't have the stomach for it when it's a lot more than that. But I think one of the weirdest things now as people look for escape goats and the guilty always look for escape goats. And this is just baked in the reality. We need to blood sacrifice. We need sacrifices. We need to atone. And so if you are not looking at the cross where Israel was sacrificed, the true Israel was sacrificed, the fruit of this people of Abraham, which were tended and like a vine cut back and pruned and in like struggling soil and everything else tended for millennia to get to the place where it bore the fruit of the son of David as a sacrifice for all people. The true scapegoat. The scapegoat. The true Israel. The true scapegoat. If you're not looking at the cross and if you're not looking at the cross to be forgiven for your own sins, you're looking for some other way to feel release. You're looking for some other catharsis for your own guilt and so you're looking for blame. So instead of like repenting and accepting atonement, you're looking to assign blame and have the lightning, blame and have the lightning fall elsewhere instinctively baked into reality. The children of Abraham are the orchard where the scapegoats grow. So it's you feel that's kind of the backstory behind this is you feel something about this is where there should be a scapegoat. Always. And that drives so much. This is we look around for Israel. Look around for the children of Abraham. They must provide us sacrifice. Yeah, the Messiah. And they must. That's baked into the narrative history. They must provide us sacrifice. And they did. The true Israel was sacrificed. The ultimate embodiment of that promise and the embodiment of the children of Abraham and the embodiment of Adam and the whole race via that particular garden, the garden of the Jews where they were kept apart, kept separate, kept pure and hardened with persecution and suffering through apostacies and redemptions. This rhythm, this rhythm of repotting that. The signically taught how to be holy and to a town. And then became unholy and were judged and had to repent in a tone and had the day of a tone and had the scapegoat and that's even where the concept of the scapegoat comes from. Overtly and metaphorically, that people that God refined through slavery and suffering and Exodus and promise and then judgment and repentance and judgment and repentance. Like they were, they were set apart as the scapegoat people, the people of the scapegoat. So we shouldn't be surprised when, when those on the left or the right identify the people of Israel as the scapegoat. Baked into reality itself. Where do we find a scapegoat? And the children of Abraham. Just because you missed Jesus. If all that, all that convection of guilt and all that social guilt, personal guilt, all that's boiling up and you're looking for an outlet, you're looking for that. Again, flipping from the clouds, you're looking for a lightning rod. Where will it, where will the lightning fall? It's going to fall on Israel. And when you miss the fact that it has been paid, dealt with, it's like if you're looking for a scapegoat, there is one. Look at the cross. Israel has provided what it was meant to provide. And changed everything. We don't need that. All of history. We don't need that people to be. You don't have to throw virtues in the volcano. You don't have to run a bunch of people through the guillotine. You don't have to sacrifice your firstborn or kill a bull for him. You don't have to round up all the Jews in Vienna and Paris and Berlin and blame them for the decadence and the despair of post-World War I. You're up. And be like, it's their fault. We need to kill them all. And that urge is latent of all the tribes. It's all the tribes. It's like all the other tribes of men look for this tribe and look to blame this tribe. And it's really baked into the promises. It's baked into reality. That's what God designed them to do. And it's how God designed them to be treated along the way through the centuries and through millennia until Israel came. Like the from the root of Jesse, Israel showed up, the son of David, the true Israel, who kept the law and was holy and was perfect and was blameless and got put on the cross. And you can look there for the wrath of God to fall, for judgment to fall. And as a side note, this is where I'll say three tears for our Jewish overlords. And what I mean by that is not only was this people chosen to, like ultimately, to be the garden refined where the son of David would rise and redeem the world, like via the wrath of God falling in the atonement coming, not only were they chosen for that, but Christ came as the son of God, via David, via the tribes of Israel, via the promises of Abraham, to then take ownership of all of reality. And he sits at the throne, the right hand of God, the Father. And he physically exists right now. He has, he's incarnate. He remains fully man. Like he has hands. He has a mouth. He has a tongue. He has eyes. He remains fully man. And he remains fully Jewish. He is Jewish. And he is sitting at the right hand of God, the Father, judging the whole world. And he created twelve apostolic thrones. And he hired his apostles entirely from among the Jews, entirely. And he heard people ranting about the percentage of Jews here and the percentage of Jews there. And they only represent this much of the population, but they represent this many of the doctorates and they recommend this many of the research grants or whatever. They're all complaining and whining. It's like, you know what? They represent 100% of the apostles, one hundo. So a tiny fraction. And from this tribe, God chose to send his son. He prepared them for thousands of years for that and promised the entire world that it would come through them and sent his son to be in a Jewish woman's belly, to be born a Jew, circumcised on the eighth day, raised a Jew, synagogue, temple, Passover, the whole thing. He's a Jew and he's an observant Jew. So not only that, but he then turns and says, I'm going to spread the gospel and I'm going to bring in all the Gentiles into Israel. So I'm going to go bring everybody in and the old way, like the laws fulfilled and I'm bringing everybody into Israel. And who am I going to hire to do that? Jews. I'm going to hire twelve Jews. And so there are twelve apostles, 100% Jewish. And you know, they obviously, they're in the presence of God now. The son of God is Jewish, fully Jewish. And we can say like, fully God, fully man, fully God, fully Jewish. Like he's Jewish. Any hired Jews. He hired the apostle Paul and to go do the whole thing. Now the fact that Rome desperately wanted to elevate their popes to the level of a apostle is not lost on me that we need some Gentile apostles. There are no Gentile apostles. They're all Jewish. And there's been a whole lot of special pleading in other ways and resistance along the way. But just as the case, it just is the case. Now two other things I'll say, one is it is a tragic, like in all this Jewishness, it's tragic that you have a bunch of people from the messianic tribe, the tribe that was chosen and refined and purified for thousands of years, like a gift, a box, a big present that was going to come with the Messiah for the whole world. And they missed it. And you have a bunch of people still with the box. It's like a cargo cult, you know, with worshiping some Campbell soup can or something. You have a people who are still worshiping the box, observing the box. The gift is gone. It has been opened. And so it happened and a whole bunch of people are still observant of the box. That's a tragedy. That's really, really truly tragic. And it's a dark tragedy. And also all around the world, you have the diaspora, but you have the diaspora of converted Jews, tons of them, like tons and tons and tons of converted Jews as well. But you still have this little core group that's hanging on to just the wrapping paper and the bow and the box. Unrepentant. And the gift is gone. They missed. But here's the weird part. When people repented and became Christians, then many sins to repent of. Their Judaism was not one of them. Paul did not need to repent of his Judaism. He had to repent of his self-righteousness, his resentment, his envy, his hatred, his murder, but not of his Judaism. Like that was not something that he needed to repent of. The race didn't have to repent of his Judaism. The apostles didn't have to repent of the Judaism. They had to open the gift that was the Judaism. And then that wrapping paper and that box got thrown away. And the gift is kept. Now, some of it, I understand why God destroyed the temple, where else we'd still have all sorts of chaos. The temple got smashed, not one stone left on another. But some of that makes sense. So where the Ark of the Covenant still is held and acts in Ethiopia, where you have the descendant of Believerite sitting there, just respecting and honoring the Ark because it was a thing that mattered a lot. I have no problem with that. Where should be in the Ark? I have a problem with it. Honoring and respecting it, no problem with it. And that is the problem. Honoring and respecting the old covenant, respecting the Judaism that the apostles were part of and that Christ was part of, like you would honor the Ark. Like yeah, this was a big deal. We put this in a place of respect, but we do not worship it. We do not. The Messiah came, the laws been fulfilled. The new Adam is here, the new races here, the new Israel is here. And that Israel, instead of being set apart in a small group, that new Israel is now going to cover the whole globe as everybody's grafted in. Anyway, people just assume when they're anti-Judai, Christian or something like that, they hate that phrase or whatever, they assume Judaism was bad and throw it away, which is different than the same like the rabbis, you know, of 500 or 600 AD were bad. Sure they were. Yeah. The black hats right now, those who blaspheme and curse Christ, that's bad. And they need to repent of that. Yeah. But Paul didn't need to repent of the Judaism. He needed to repent of everything else and go where the Judaism pointed. So in chat with my dad, I was talking about Judaism was like, there's the present analogy, but there was also like a giant arrow, like a big old giant blinking arrow of this way. And then you have a bunch of people who start worshiping the arrow and don't go do what it says. And that's kind of the situation that we're in. But the weird hatred of the Jews, the weird hatred of the Jews, the weird hatred of the children of Abraham is a fundamentally diabolical position. It is not, oh, dispensationalist, anti-dispensationalist. It is as old as the garden. This is the people where the God man would come and restore all of humanity. And they're still hated. They're hated by the demons. And they're hated by everybody who's looking for escape coat and somebody to sacrifice and miss the real one that happened. Absolutely. Don't do that. It's a great place to end. I now realize I'm going to be late. Are you going to be late? But I'm going to stay a little longer. Well, okay, we're back. We'll see how long it is still our next podcast. Yeah. Just a minute.