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Campus Conversations is a student podcast brought to you by UCL students and the Student Success Office. We're back for Season 2 — bigger, bolder, and with even more honest conversations about student life at UCL! Hosted by students, for students, this podcast dives into the topics that actually matter to students, from politics and careers to friendships, finances, and everything in between. This season, the conversations go deeper, the debates get bigger, and we’re bringing in more student voices, opinions, and real experiences from across our university. Whether we’re discussing the pressure to succeed, navigating life in London, or the big issues shaping our generation, Campus Conversations is all about sharing perspectives, learning from each other, and reminding you that no one has university life completely figured out. Expect thoughtful discussions, relatable moments, a few disagreements, and a lot of laughs along the way!
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Amman
Welcome to Campus Concessions, brought to you by UCL Student Success Team. Your go to podcast for all things about student life at University College London. About the season two. And today we'll be talking about our justice and moral boundaries. I'm a man. I'm a fourth year medic.
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Mubaraq
I'm a park. I'm a second year lost. Most needy.
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Abubarak
I'm a black, a first year sociology and political science student.
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Amman
So today our theme is probably just do some more boundaries. And we have a bunch of cards on the table, and we talk about a lot of different news items related to those topics. So we've got an we've got a question at the end that we'll have to discuss. You ready? Cool. So up first is here's the news item.
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Amman
On 20th of June 2025, the House of Commons passed the thumbnail Adult's End of Life bill by 341 votes to 291. The bill would legalise assisted dying for the terminally ill people in England and Wales, who have a prognosis of six months or less. As part of the plan, two independent doctors must approve each case with assistance from an oversight panel.
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Amman
If the bill becomes law, it's expected to be implemented by 2029. That's a that's a juicy one, isn't it? It's got law and it's got medicine so nicely. It's also there. So the first question for us is what are your thoughts about assisted dying? Should people have the absolute right to choose when and how they die? I'm curious about your non-medical opinions.
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Amman
Consult with.
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Abubarak
Me. I don't think assisted dying is an option because it's basically just a glossier way of saying suicide because you are killing yourself, even if somebody else is helping you do it. So I think it's too defeatist. I think even if you don't have much time left. Try to enjoy what you have with all your time. You have left.
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Mubaraq
From my perspective, I think it's really a question of what type of life is worth, living essentially, because I think we should strive, like the government and policy should strive to make sure that people live a good life. And I think at the point where someone is considering euthanasia, perhaps life isn't as, like, great for them to like.
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Mubaraq
You're dealing with a type of illness that makes what is left of their life quite unbearable. So I think there's definitely an argument for and against.
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Amman
Yeah, I think an important point that actually my medic friend is coming on. Euthanasia is different. Assisted dying, because euthanasia is where the doctor's actually doing the final act and for life for an assisted dying, it's like you're saying it's closer to suicide, where you have to take the medicine yourself and you do that. And I think but then there is the distinction as assisted.
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Amman
So I would argue it's it's similar to suicide, but it is quite different in that there's a whole panel of doctors. There's people who have to discuss it with you, and it's a conversation where you're supported to make a decision for yourself.
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Abubarak
But I still feel like I feel I shouldn't give up because even though you might not have long left, is still giving up because you could spend that time with your loved ones. You could, tick things off your bucket list. Just like live life to the fullest before it ends. Most people that make your peace with the world, and I think ending that prematurely is like, I just don't think it's the right thing to do.
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Abubarak
And I don't think it's beneficial to your life in the long run, because if you just end it before you get the chance to, like, fully experience, I just I don't think that's. I, I just don't think is is good.
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Amman
But do you think these patients have the capacity to live to the fullest, like you're saying, or because a lot of them will be bedbound or just stuck in the hospital getting treatments that aren't treating them, they're just preventing anything from happening at that point?
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Mubaraq
I feel like, in my opinion, I think if modern medicine solution was working off, people assisted, assisted dying when they come, when they come across like a medical problem that they don't want to deal with, I don't think we would be where we are modern medicine today. I think there's so many illnesses that we've tried that we've strived to find a cure for, and I don't think we would have that same readiness to do if doctors just gave up at the end.
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Mubaraq
So what I mean to say there is your argument is kind of people are ill to a certain extent, and then they kind of give up. And, and this is a solution. But I think this solution serves people who medical, you know, there's no other cure, there's no other position, there's no other route they can take up to them.
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Mubaraq
This is kind of like the medicine, but that doesn't I don't think someone with like bipolar disorder, there's like a lot of medication that they would likely have to go through before they get to the point of, I'm going to end my life now, like I think assisted dying is just one of the many sort of medicines available to doctors, but it's one of the things that they're not going to reach for whenever someone's like, oh, I don't want to deal with life anymore.
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Mubaraq
I think there's a lot more safeguards in place rather than it just kind of being, I don't want to live. Here we go.
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Abubarak
You know, I know it's not like that. It's not just go up to your GP. Yeah. That's it. Please give me a post like there's processes and all of that. But I think once you start the process, even if you have glimmers of change your mind in the future, you've already started. So you might just go ahead with it because it's now the process already begun and I think there needs to be a way back instead of, pushing like assisted dying.
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Abubarak
I think there needs to be more rehabilitative measures, more opportunities to help people see maybe that there's more to life or that they could get more out of life in the last moments instead of just ending.
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Amman
Those rehabilitative measures. Oh, what he's saying is all the therapy between, all the medication between. It's when those people are medication resistant and they can't get better from any of them. Then they consider going abroad and doing measures like assisted dying. So they've gone through every single option in the pathway. Most likely.
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Abubarak
Yeah. For me it's not just, it's not it isn't just like if it's immoral. Not for me. It's religious as well, because I don't think you should take your own life. I think your life is a gift. So even if it gets hard or even if it becomes unbearable towards the end, you should still try to.
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Abubarak
Like, stick it out. Do as much as you can with what you have.
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Amman
I think it's a nice sentiment, but I don't know. I think the, the ultimate thing in life is to have the control and the choice of what you do and how you do what you do with it. And if that means ending it, because that will be the better option overall. I think you're a lot of that right.
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Mubaraq
And I think it's effective. It's just kind of I don't think we should force people to continue to live after a point whereby if someone's got a really degenerative type of cancer or some sort of, you know, there's a plethora of diseases out there that make life quite unbearable. Saying when someone enters like a vegetative, vegetative state, things like that.
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Mubaraq
I think at that point, what what are we keeping this person alive for? Is it more for the people that are still alive and healthy, or is it really about them? And I think once it starts to split between we're keeping someone alive for our own sentiments and our morals of what we decide is good and bad compared to someone's like lived suffering.
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Mubaraq
I think there's a difference, because in theory, I can see life as a gift. But if someone's actual lived experience is so unbearable, it feels unfair for me to impose that, oh, you should live your life because I've said life is a gift. That's just how I see it to be fair.
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Abubarak
For me, I'm thinking if you open it up now for this specific thing, what happens later down the line? But other people, they see it as like the easy well, even though their condition might not be as severe because we've laid down the and they want to have what's called like help to kill themselves. So maybe they have deep depression, maybe they have, other mental issues or they just they don't see the point.
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Mubaraq
I think this argument of the floodgates argument essentially is what you're arguing that if we allow X, then it will lead to Y and Z. I think the problem with that is it's often a cop out from making like the reasoned argument. So for instance, when they wanted to introduce minimum wage, it was like if we if we start a wage here, then what's going to say it's not going to be £50 an hour, but it's like that ignores the fact that right now there's a like an issue to be dealt with.
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Mubaraq
So if you use the argument of, oh, it might get worse for, you know, like a solution that is very sort of contextualised and specific to something to then say, oh, but what about in the future? Like it's a form of what about ism? Like it's not really rooted in anything like on the ground.
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Amman
I think the other aspect of it too, is though, you're saying if it gets worse, it's going to get better too, in the sense of like a Huntington's cure. I've got about this. Yeah. And that's like a disease of very severely the like deteriorates people's quality of life. And that would be a disease where they reach a thumbnail state where they can't feed themselves, they can't look after themselves in any essence.
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Amman
But now that's been given a treatment. So in rather than progressing in your direction where people are getting, assisted dying for very minor things, more likely those things will be treated even more effectively because medicine's always getting better. I like the hook, and by that point those things will be treated and they won't have to consider assisted dying.
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Amman
A parliamentary parliamentary inquiry has been launched by the Justice Committee titled Rehabilitation and Resettlement Ending the Cycle of Re-offending. The scale of challenge is stark. Ministry of justice data show a reoffending rate of 26.4% for adults and 56.6% for those released after less than a year in prison. In the report, the committee warns that 50% of prisoners are not engage in work or education during their sentence, and most are unemployed six months after release.
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Amman
So the question to what extent can prison truly rehabilitate if it cannot? What would you propose as an alternative and right? Are you as a law student?
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Mubaraq
I think to be fair, I think rehabilitation specifically is more like a sociological question. Anyway, but I think my view on that is, I think when people go to prison, it can often be really hard for them to reintegrate into society, like, meaningfully. So there's definitely perhaps like a problem there in that if people feel as though they've committed the crime, they've done their time, but they're still sort of being punished for their crime even once they try to be a better person.
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Mubaraq
Does that push them back into crime in a way? So I think that is definitely something that should be considered and relooked at.
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Abubarak
So, I mean, I think the whole prison system is just because sometimes it can even be worse than when you're outside because see outside you go down for like doing a petty crime. Now you're in prison of murderers. All of this. And in prison there's gangs, there's a hierarchy system, there's contraband. So in some ways, it could even be worse than the outside.
00:10:39:00 - 00:10:55:15
Amman
The first thing that came to my mind was orange is the New Black. I don't know if you watch that, but I've watched. It is really good. But one of the main characters who gets released from prison, and then within two episodes she's back in because the system isn't built to support rehabilitation. It's when you go out there, you can't get a job as easily.
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Amman
You can't, can't access things as easily. You've been cut off from society for a period of time, then it's the adjustment that there's not, I'm guessing there's not a good enough support for me. I'm again, hoping you guys are better than that on me. But yeah, I think that's the main, the. I don't think the prison is doing the rehabilitation.
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Amman
The prison is rehabilitating people to this new environment, this prison environment, and there's nothing in between. And then people can't fall back into society. And then reoffending because that's a really bad cycle.
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Abubarak
And so I think essentially that the whole prison prison system, it needs a reform where it's more where it's more like society. And I think there needs to be more of like segregation because put in first time offenders, because then petty crime with like hardened serious criminals.
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Mubaraq
This is interesting actually, because I feel like I reckon there's probably a lot of people in society who argue that, okay, these people are reoffending, but what's that got to do with me in that I didn't? I'm not a crime commit, so why should we be given any sort of why should we give better prisons? Or why should we give them better food like they're serving that punishment?
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Mubaraq
And if reintegration in society, they're not being welcomed with open arms, perhaps that that is just a part of the punishment of being a criminal. So I think there's also that argument to consider as well. Like in a way, I think we have to understand where criminals are first with reintegrate into society before we can understand how to do it effectively.
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Mubaraq
And I think because Parliament, the public and just people at large don't really have a true understanding of why criminals essentially are worth looking after and were treated with value. That's where the problem comes in. And obviously I'm not saying that, oh, we should look after murderers or, you know, so and said that certain crimes obviously are unforgivable.
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Mubaraq
But I think it's a, I think I don't think the public sees the value. And therefore that's why I think that reforms haven't come in in a certain in a certain way.
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Amman
And I think people have such a big tendency to make in groups, and that groups in prison is probably one of the biggest ones where you're taught from such a young age, like, those are bad people. You should be like those people. I feel like everyone in childhood was like told that in some way, even if they're not from your family, from TV, from the media, you can see exactly it's a big old group of that, but people don't agree with them.
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Amman
And so you're saying it's a classic divide, but you don't want to support those people? Never considered like that before. But it's so deeply ingrained in the way we interact with people like that.
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Mubaraq
And I think if we consider that a lot of crime, like your tendency to call your own sorry, your tendency to commit crime starting from a young age is the schools that you went to, the areas that you grew up in. So really and truly, I think people see the end result. You know, the criminal gangs commit the crime.
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Mubaraq
But then oftentime there's a forgetting in that. Oh, this is this was a child that went to a certain type of primary school that grew up in a certain like, for instance, that grew up in a certain type of a state. There's a lot of factors that then mould how that person comes out to be.
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Abubarak
Honest, I don't agree with that because I feel like it's not your in nature, like your it's not where you grew up that makes you into a bad person or like an offender. Because even me, I grew up in pretty bad area. The schools I went to one the greatest. But I think it's a conscious choice to also go to friend.
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Abubarak
But even if.
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Abubarak
I think maybe it starts off a bit more innocent. But then as you go on, you're making the conscious choice to be that. Maybe at first you just doing a few like misdemeanours or doing a few petty crimes with your mates or whatever. When your kids. But then to actively go try to join a gang is the element of like grooming, whatever.
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Abubarak
But then there's also safeguarding in place for that. We are constantly told when we're younger, don't feel so good, don't talk to these types of people, don't take things from strangers, don't talk to strangers. So I think put in like criminality based on where you grew up, what schools you went to. I think that's just I think that's just nonsense, to be honest.
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Amman
I feel like you're universal. Find your own experience where you were taught and you were reinforced a very heavily. But a lot of people, maybe the hear it a bit here and there in school from teachers who otherwise don't respond to them, don't teach them appropriate, don't listen to them. They don't hear from anywhere else beyond that. So they respond to these other people who are giving them energy, who are listening to them.
00:15:13:16 - 00:15:35:07
Amman
Because at the end of the all people want is to be listened to and to be heard. And if the wrong people are listening to you, you don't know that the wrong people. And then you become like them and you follow in their footsteps. I do definitely agree there's some autonomy to it, but I think what Maverick is saying is right is that it's very much, the environment shifts you and directs you in a certain direction, and you don't always have all the control to stop yourself from continuing down that path.
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Amman
If you can't see anything else beyond.
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Abubarak
I'm going to be honest. I still disagree, because there was a lot of people in school who like it. Maybe they don't speak to the teachers, they don't interact with the teachers, but they make friends within school. But then there's people who make friends with people that are obviously bad influences, people who are like vaping. People are doing this.
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Abubarak
People are doing that. And then it's just like, you not have common sense. Like you can see these people, they're not doing good to contain constantly in trouble. And then it's almost like you're trying to carve a path to destruction for yourself. So instead of doing that, why don't you just try a bit harder or avoid these specific types of people?
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Abubarak
Because you can't get sucked into it unless you really want to. Because if you really need help, you can go speak to someone. You go speak to your teacher, go speak to what's it called, safeguarding lead, whatever, because there's a lot of measures in place to help you. It's just if you don't want to help, you're not going to be helped.
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Mubaraq
You see, here's my opinion. I think when you're growing up, everything that you experience, the people in your proximity, even if you don't talk to them, you know, the lifestyles that you see, I think they shape you in ways that you don't even know. So even as you're still here today, you likely feel like, oh, you've, what's it called?
00:17:06:02 - 00:17:25:02
Mubaraq
You've shielded yourself from all of these bad influences. You know, you focussed on what you needed to focus on and you got to where you got it right. But I think that ignores the fact that those things have influenced you in one way or another, and they just haven't manifested in a negative way. For instance, there's some people that all it takes is one interaction with the wrong type of person.
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Mubaraq
Just over here, in a conversation about what some people are going to go and do, you know, and that just slightly alters their path a little bit. I think it's the wrong argument to believe that you are successful because you, you know, because you're an exception. That then serves the rule. I think when we start leading down that type of route, it then becomes, okay, why put any sort of provisions in place for wide participation, things like that?
00:17:47:14 - 00:18:10:13
Mubaraq
Because why didn't you just work hard and open the textbook? It's then, why you poor you should have just worked harder. But I think those type of, mindsets ignored the fact that a lot of life is. Look, a lot of people think, oh, that's too hard working. They're so successful. But a lot of it is, of course, preparation, hard work, practice, but a huge percentage of that is look, even down to the place where you're born.
00:18:10:13 - 00:18:27:01
Mubaraq
It's, look, the hospital that you bought that you're born in, you could have been born prematurely and not got, received the right type of care and not even been here today. You know, you could have been born in another hospital, and perhaps the standards weren't so good. So your parents go through some sort of trauma whilst they're trying to give birth to you?
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Mubaraq
Lot plays a huge, huge part. Even born in the UK is luck. You could have been born in another country and then the conversation wouldn't be gang violence. It would it be? You're like a child soldier, for instance. Then why don't you just resist that? Like there's lock in everything you do. But I think the government needs to combat lock to a certain extent.
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Mubaraq
And that's what. That's what we mean when we say put those provisions beyond safeguarding measures. But we have to recognise that some people do have bad luck. Some people do just fall into bad going. Is part of that. Part of them say, okay, you know, do they wear their shoes and dress up and go with their. Yes. But we can't deny the factors that surrounded them that made them think, oh, this is an acceptable decision for me to do.
00:19:04:04 - 00:19:28:20
Mubaraq
It's not about the actual act itself. It's about the idea that in principle, human beings, specifically children, will make bad decisions. Their very children especially, are really, really bad, are weighing up risk in a, you know, in a good way. That's something that scientists said the law recognises it. Children are very bad, are weighing up risks. So I think it's unfair to then hold children to this standard and then say you agreed, you should have known better.
00:19:28:23 - 00:19:44:07
Mubaraq
Why did you not listen to the assembly for instance, something like fireworks. We all had the assembly about be safe, about firework safety, but there are still firework accidents every single year, year after year. But does that mean ambulance services should just let people just burn?
00:19:44:12 - 00:19:44:22
Abubarak
I said.
00:19:44:24 - 00:20:01:00
Mubaraq
No, no, but your argument is people make silly mistakes. Tough on you. Tough luck. We're not arguing that they haven't made a bad decision. We're saying that the government and policy should reflect the fact that people make mistakes. But let's at least, you know they made a mistake. But let's have some sympathy that it could have been you.
00:20:01:02 - 00:20:18:13
Mubaraq
Oh, I know you don't believe that. You really don't believe that you ever make a mistake of that magnitude. But anyone can make a mistake. And I think that's where the sympathy comes from. For me. It's like, had I been born with different parents in a different area, could that have been me? Could I have done slipped? I made a wrong mistake in that way.
00:20:18:15 - 00:20:22:23
Mubaraq
Then should the society as a whole turn their backs on me? That's the question I ask.
00:20:23:00 - 00:20:42:03
Abubarak
I don't think you should. They should turn their back on them, but I think there should be more emphasis on common sense and say, because even adults, some of them, they're stupid enough. Someone says, oh, I'll give you £1,000. Take the suitcase for me to this country. They still do. I think it's just a lack of common sense of society as a whole.
00:20:42:05 - 00:20:59:08
Amman
But then with our compass confession. So this is from a real UCL student. I'm not sure I made the right choice in coming to study in London. I like the hustle and bustle, but it doesn't always feel safe to my friends. I've had their phone stolen in the past month and another had had drink spiked club. My parents are constantly worrying but I'm trying not to let it get to me.
00:20:59:10 - 00:21:09:15
Amman
London Prince London feels pretty safe on the day to day. Why do I always have so much anxiety all the time I've had my phone stolen first. It's a really hard time of year.
00:21:09:20 - 00:21:10:19
Mubaraq
I'm still yet to have anything.
00:21:10:22 - 00:21:34:03
Abubarak
So I'm going to be honest, I think. I think London safe and other than it used to be, because back in the day it was like it was treacherous, that every day you're hearing people getting stabbed, acid attacks, all of this. I think nowadays it's just downgraded to like more petty crime and it's more like people who are involved in our life going after each other.
00:21:34:05 - 00:22:05:09
Abubarak
And I think overall it's safer. But you just have to have more common sense. You have to be careful. You have to, you know, if you're on your phone, look around. Don't just be in your phone. You have to be aware of your surroundings because it's good to. What's to go? Well, I'd be paranoid, but just be aware because not everybody is a nice person, especially in a in a city like this.
00:22:05:11 - 00:22:07:15
Amman
This person.
00:22:07:17 - 00:22:22:21
Mubaraq
I would say I think the number one, I think a lot of the anxiety about living in London is a little bit mismatched in that for those of us that live on like around UCL campus, like the Boonsboro area, this is a very safe area. Number one in comparison to other parts of the country are in London.
00:22:22:23 - 00:22:38:14
Mubaraq
So I think on that front a part of it is just relaxing. Look, it's actually not that dangerous. But then too, I think there's a certain safety risk that if you're not from a big city, you will be new to you. So for instance, like phone snatching, I think that just kind of comes part and parcel of being in a big city.
00:22:38:16 - 00:22:58:03
Mubaraq
Same with I'm going out to the club and you know, there will be people out there to things. The guidance around, like watching your drink has always been a thing. So I think it's just about yeah, like you said, being more conscientious around about your surroundings. But I don't think London is that unsafe. I think obviously they've happened to come across a lot of unfortunate mishaps.
00:22:58:05 - 00:23:06:22
Mubaraq
But I do think the media definitely emphasises a lot of the buzz of London. But like day to day, I genuinely don't think it's that terrible.
00:23:07:02 - 00:23:19:10
Amman
Yeah, I do, I don't blame them for so much anxiety all the time because I dislike capturing on my phone. Now, since that happened, it was actually intense where it was by, by Russell Square. So it was like very close by.
00:23:19:13 - 00:23:21:19
Mubaraq
Oh, I said, yeah, foreign Russell quite already.
00:23:21:21 - 00:23:32:19
Amman
Cycled past me, took it off me and went away. Don't know where the phone is now. And I think one of my friends had it twice in London recently. So like the areas I was obviously trying to in, and I.
00:23:32:24 - 00:23:51:15
Mubaraq
Thought I was talking to my friend about this and I said, this isn't the victim blame where he didn't. But I feel like after you get your phone stolen for the first time, they don't do your thing a second time. I feel like it just starts to give off the impression that there's something or do it, or there's like a you have a look that says, I easily found snap, which I think you should probably think about.
00:23:51:15 - 00:23:56:08
Mubaraq
So the person that, submitted this should probably just be a little bit more about their wits.
00:23:56:08 - 00:24:06:04
Amman
And they had none of that. So only actually two of their friends. So you'll do fine for now. But the people who hung out hung around with like, look up what they're doing wrong and don't do that. Probably it's advice one.
00:24:06:06 - 00:24:28:05
Abubarak
I'd say the best thing to do keep your phone in your pocket. Unless you're like sitting inside the cafe or you know, you've got like a wall behind you, just make sure that make sure there's like remove the possibility that it can't be stolen because even people like pickpockets. So steal it from your pocket. So I say that constantly.
00:24:28:05 - 00:24:49:04
Abubarak
Check that it's still in your pocket. Make sure it's on you. Don't pull it out unless you like. You can see everybody around you, you're aware of your surroundings, and if you're going to hold your phone at least, like, maybe try holding it at two hands or hold it like, with a good grip so it can't just be pulled so easily.
00:24:49:06 - 00:25:00:09
Abubarak
And there's even like straps and stuff you can get now where you attach it to your wrist so that if they try to grab it, it won't be taken away so easily. Yeah, I remember.
00:25:00:09 - 00:25:16:08
Amman
After mine got stolen, I was always back against the wall for like a good month and then I stopped carrying. It's like, oh, I won't have it anymore. Happen again. Thank you for tuning in to Compass Conversations. We hope you had as much fun listening as we did chatting. If you enjoyed this episode, don't forget to like and subscribe on our various podcast streaming platforms.
00:25:16:10 - 00:25:25:17
Amman
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