Sixteen Candles

Sixteen Candles (1984): The Ultimate ‘80s Teen Comedy Rewind! 

Forgotten birthdays, epic crushes, and pure ‘80s chaos—Sixteen Candles is John Hughes’ iconic teen comedy that defined a generation! Join Retromade: Your Pop Culture Rewind with host Katie and guests Jamie and Milo from 80s and 90s Uncensored as we dive into this hilarious yet problematic classic.
 

We’re flashing back to 1984 to unpack Sixteen Candles, John Hughes’ directorial debut starring Molly Ringwald. From awkward teen moments to questionable stereotypes, we explore the film’s charm, its stellar cast, and its cultural impact. Plus, we test Jamie and Milo’s 1984 pop culture knowledge with our Retro Time Capsule trivia!

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Host

Katie Geilenkirchen

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Jamie

Guest

Milo Denison

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So, I mean, what's the story? I mean, you got a guy or Yes, three big ones, and they went blood. Her name is Samantha Baker, and today is
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her 16th birthday. She's gotten her boobies. I better go get my magnifying glass.
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They forgot my birthday. Classic. This is the single worst day of my entire life.
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Universal Pictures presents Score, a direct hit. 16 Candles.
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You say it's your birthday. It's my birthday, too. The story of a girl who's stuck with a
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guy who's driving her crazy. Nice manners, babe. And stuck on a guy she's crazy about.
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Who's Jake? Jake Lion. Jake's my boy. Jake is a senior and he's beautiful and perfect.
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He doesn't even know you exist. He smiles at me and I don't say
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anything. I can't believe I'm such a jerk. You quit feeling sorry for yourself. It's bad for your complexion.
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Do you know Samantha Baker? Catch her looking at me a lot. It's kind of cool the way she's always looking at me. Maybe she's [ __ ]
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What's happening? The hot stuff. His name is Long Duck Dong. Nothing could shock me anymore.
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Underpants. Can I borrow your underpants for 10 minutes? Girls underpants.
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[Applause] Hate that rock and roll rubbish.
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Everybody in this family has just gone totally out of limits. [Music]
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All right. Who is this? You guys, you just got to be cool. You just got to chill out and just be cool.
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Just watch me. Why?
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I'll let you take Carolyn home. She's so blitz she won't know the difference. Jake, I don't have a car. You could take mine.
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I got to get out of here before anything else terrible happens. She's stuck between a halfwit. Very hot. Very hot.
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And a heartbreaker. I want a serious girlfriend. Somebody I can love that's going to love me back.
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Pretty intense, huh? Everyone she knows is either on her case. You know, you're the one I want to bug,
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huh? Under her skin. Yeah. Oh, she's only eating carrots to increase the size of her breasts or out of their tree.
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Mom's eye. It only happens once in a lifetime. This has got to be a joke.
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And once is enough. Happy birthday, Samantha. This is getting good. 16 candles.
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[Music]
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Hello. Hello. I'm Katie and welcome to Retro, your pop culture rewind. Welcome
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back. Today we're going to flash back to 1984. We're going to revisit 16 Candles, the
Flashback to 1984’s pop culture scene
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film that launched A Thousand Crushes and immortalized teenage awkwardness in this John Hughes classic and the
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unforgettable pop culture landscape of 1984. Returning to the show are two of my
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favorite time traveling podcasters, Jamie and Milo from the 80s and 90s
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uncensored. These guys are all about pop culture,
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nostalgia. They also created PodChum, a community helping indie podcasters
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connect and grow. It's always a blast having you guys. What's new? What's going on in your world?
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Hey, how's it going? Yeah, boy. Lots going on in our world these days. Doing podcasts. Yeah, we got
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Pod Chums. We've got the poties, watching old movies. Jamie's moving
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like like middle-aged life changes and stuff. It's crazy. I had a colonoscopy.
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Oh, that's a milestone, right? Yeah. Now I'm truly middle-aged because I had my first colonoscopy, so I'm good
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to I'm in the club. I'm lucky enough to not have joined that
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club yet, but not far off, probably. Yeah. And on the plus side, they found everything they were looking for in
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there. They got it all out. All the toys, all the lemony winks. They found him. He was
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alive and well. So all good for that little fella. Finally found him.
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Grab your 80s and 90s uncensored mug. Oh yeah, of course. I love it. When joining a podcast,
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tell us more about Podchums. What's the scoop? Tell tell the listeners about it.
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Jamie, it's your baby. So, we started PodChums as just a way to
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connect with other podcasters. Kind of a podcast guild that you're a founding member of, by the way.
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Mhm. So, just a place where we can go maybe find collaboration opportunities,
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maybe share some insider information about podcasting, and we we just got a whole influx of new
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members that we have to introduce you to. that it was just kind of like just us for a
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little while, but now with the Odyssey Awards, we've invited some others. So, we're going to have to have like a
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little intro to all the new members. But, it's fun because, you know, you have the big podcasts and they're part
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of big networks and little podcasts like us, we don't get that, right? So, we
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kind of made one and it's it's it's it's just our own literal kind of it's a network, right? but a network in that we
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can all kind of like collaborate together and share ideas, maybe guest, co- guest,
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have a cross-promotional marketing opportunities, whatever. So, I I think it's fun. I think us little
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podcasters deserve a community for ourselves. You know what I'm saying? We don't have to we don't have to be the
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big guys to have our own thing going on. Agreed. I love it. You meet great people and there's a PodCums like podcast.
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there's a podcast that goes along with it. So, that's fun, especially if you're a podcaster. And, you know, speaking of
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networks, I also wanted to remind RetroAde listeners that if you like to
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dive into the films of specific directors, uh, this season of RetroAde is actually
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on the network the director's chair because I'm covering John Hughes this season. So, if you like that kind of
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stuff, they have Michael Man this season. There's Brian Dealma, Ed Zwick.
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I feel like I'm forgetting someone. So, head on over to the director's chair for other fun goodness. Movie goodness.
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Okay, without further ado, you guys, there's a new spin on the time capsule this season.
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I see what you did there. I'm going to I'm going to Yeah. Can you guys see that?
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Oh, yeah. Yep. Okay. So, I've created the categories on
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the retroade time capsule wheel here. I'm going to spin on your behalf, see what category we come to, and we will
Retro Time Capsule: Kool-Aid Man & more
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test your 1984 knowledge, guys. So,
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have you had your coffee, Jamie? This is brain brain firing.
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All right, you guys. Yeah, I'm ready. I'm ready to do this. All right. Commercial countdown. All right. In a 1984 ad campaign
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targeting kids and tween, this fruit drink brand featured an animated picture
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mascot who burst through the walls ex exclaiming his famous line.
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Oh, we need to say the line, not the brand. Okay. Yeah. Kool-Aid.
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And And what was the brand? Who was Kool-Aid on that one? Kool-Aid guy.
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Kool-Aid man. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. And I like how all the kids were always like,
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"Oh, cool. It's the Kool-Aid Man." Where in real life you'd be terrified. This giant Kool-Aid pitcher just bust through
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the brick wall and you like, "Oh, yeah." You're like, "Oh, yeah." Right away. Kool-Aid was a thing, man.
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You could do a lot with it. You drink the Kool-Aid as is. You freeze it in your ice cube trays and make little Kool-Aid pops out of it.
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You can add vodka to it. Vodka. Exactly. Yes. All kinds of We used to use it to clean up metal. So,
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oh, is it like Coke like that? If you if you concentrate it, there's an acid and you can clean stuff with it.
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Oh, that sounds horrifying that we consume it and we drink it. Uh-huh. All right. There's another one.
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In 1984, this athletic shoe company aired high energy TV spot featuring the
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slogan just for the fun of it. It was promoting aerobics in inspired sneakers.
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And this was shortly before this company's market dominance was eclipsed
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by Nike. What brand was it? Is it? I'm thinking Oh, yeah. I was
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thinking Reebok, but it could be Adidas as well. Miley Miley. I I combined your names.
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You guys are now Miley. That's fine. Yeah, we're like America. If we have a kid, we have that kid someday. Milo, we know what to name.
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Name it. Miley. I Milo, you are correct. Oh, good job,
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Reebok. Just for the fun of it. Let's see another category. You guys are
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doing pretty good.
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Fad Flashback. This particular type of dance exploded in popularity thanks to
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certain films that I won't say because it'll give it away, but they were released in 1984. It began as urban
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street culture and then it hit the national stage spawning competitions and
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TV appearances. What was it? And recently in this year's Olympics in
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France. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. We knew with that Australian gal.
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It was a one and done. One and done though. And what? So what's the answer you guys? Break. Break dancing.
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Break dancing. But the movie breakin came out in 1984.
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That was the movie that I didn't want to name. Oh yeah. Because they would have given it Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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And then Yeah. Breaken. That was big. That was like That was just ahead of the
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movie we're talking about in in the box office. Yeah. Oh, we're doing all right, Jamie. It'd
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be embarrassing if we do a podcast about the 80s and couldn't answer any questions. Yeah. We got our podcast is like 4 and
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1/2 years old and we we didn't know anything. That'd be embarrassing. Let's do another one. So you guys
VHS Vault: Top 1984 rentals revealed
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already won break dancing as the VHS vault. These are always fun. M.
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So VHS Vault is rentals
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that were big. Like you went to Blockbuster. Like what were the top?
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We'll say six because two of the movies that were in the top
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VHS rentals at the time I covered last season on my Ultimate Everyman. So keep
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that in mind. That's a hint. That's why they're I'm doing six instead of five. Mhm. Do we have any guesses before I start
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with clues? Okay. Well, it's got to be stuff that came out like around that time frame.
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VHS uh when Ro came out a little a little
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later. So, you could even get stuff from 1983 too like like uh DB Return of the Jedi might be
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there. Yeah. No, Empire Strikes Back would be 83.
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I'm going to stop you. You're wrong because I'm kind of surprised by these. Okay.
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I wouldn't just pull them out of my brain because this is early VHS time,
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right? Like 84 Robocop maybe. Not that many. No. Robocop's later.
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Well, well, and the Blockbuster wasn't even around. You You had like mom and pop video stores.
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Mhm. So, you had the video stores that were kind of musky that that some guy owned.
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Exactly. like Bob's video store. Yes.
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In the back that you had to walk through the beads and and you're like looking to see if your neighbor's dad is is
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dad coming out of that section. You're like that's Tiffy's dad. You know him.
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And your options were very limited at this time, which is probably why. So the first one,
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so this is 1984. This is why I'm surprised by this. One of the the number one rented video in
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1984 was here's your hint. A co-ed up kingpin with a little friend.
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Oh, really? Scarface. Scarface. Scarface came out that came out 1981,
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didn't it? 1981. It was It was It might have been 82, but it was very early.
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Oh, see I was thinking late '7s. Like 78 or 79. It was definitely in the 80s. It was in the 80s, but yeah. So, Scarface.
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Wow. Wow. Wouldn't have guessed that. Now, I will say I know this because
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Brian Dealma directed that and I was just mentioning that I was on a network with Brian Dealma. So, I know this
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because I listened to the episode. Scarface was not a popular movie when it first came out like at the theater.
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It became popular on video rental. So, it just took a took it a couple years.
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It's one of those slow burners. Yeah. Yeah. And then the next one I'll give you I covered it on my Kurt Russell and
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Patrick sees season and I had a very hard time finding it which is ironic
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because it was the number two most rented movie in 1984 but it was super
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hard to find now. It is a real life nuclear whistleblower played by Stre.
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Oh, this is bringing back something. This does sound so I'm guessing street
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Maril Street. But Sher was in it also. All the President's Men.
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No. No, they weren't in that. This one's stump. This one's stumping me. It's because you probably haven't seen
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it. Okay. Silkwood. Oh, Silkwood. Okay. I have not seen
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Silkwood. No. Kurt Russell. I've heard of it, but I've never seen it. It's very good. It's very good.
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How come? How come this sounds like a great cast and a cool story? Mhm. And why haven't we seen this? Where
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is it? Why is it Why do people withhold it from us? Now I So when I did the episode, it was
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not available to stream anywhere. So I I like literally rented it from my library. I requested it, but I think it
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is now on one of the streamers. So just search for Silkwood. It's very good and it's based on a true story.
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Okay. We're gonna watch that, Milo. Yeah, I think we're gonna do that episode, you
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guys, if you haven't. And we're gonna listen to the episode, too. Yeah, we're we're going to listen to that first thing.
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Okay, next one. A tearjerking tale of mothers and daughters.
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Beaches. I want to say beaches, but beaches didn't come out till later. Came out in the like the later 80s.
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I think Tears of Endearment. Yes, you. Wow. Good job. Good job. And I
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only Yeah, I only know about that because I recently did a article or
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something that I was writing and I I've never seen that either, but it was like best picture or something. It has a lot
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of accolades and I've never I never saw it. So now that I'm old, probably because in 1984 I'm a kid and I don't
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care about that kind of stuff. Yeah, exactly. But now that I'm old, I think I might actually put that on my list to watch it
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and I might actually like it, which is sad, which means I'm getting old. But it happens to the best of us, Jamie.
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Yeah. Okay. A Plymouth Fury with a murderous
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streak. Oh, I know that. It's called Christine.
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Christine. Yeah, there you go. Good job. I love that movie. See, that's probably more of my style when what I
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What a wild premise, eh? The jealous car
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car is killing people because she's jealous. I think that's Stephen King based on the Stephen King novel.
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Yeah, you're right. Yeah. Yeah. And so far one out of everything you've listed is it's the only one I've seen,
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but I haven't seen I think I've only seen it once long. Yeah, it was a No, you've seen Scarface. You've seen Scarface? Oh, true. Okay. Yeah, Scarface. So, too.
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Yeah. Yeah. And I don't know, maybe so the last one I also covered last season,
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so that should give you a hint. Either Kurt Russell or Patrick Sees is in it. And it's a mission to rescue PS
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that got a gritty explosive twist. Name that movie.
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Wow. One of those two were in a film to rescue PS. It's a little lesser known, but it is
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very good. The cast is outstanding. Okay. Yeah, I think you're going to have
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to give this one away. I don't have any no idea for me. Do you, Jamie? Jamie.
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I'm stumped on this one. Jean Hackman.
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Is this the one where he's in a plane that crashes and then like he has to
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kind of get out and it's got like a
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No, I don't know. Uncommon Valor. Not what I was thinking of. Oh, now it comes back to me. Yeah.
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Have you seen that one, Jamie? I think I've seen Milo. I would recommend it. It's good. Yeah.
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Yeah. It's one of those under the radar ones for Yep. And
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Patrick was in it. So, these are the VHS top like VHS rentals.
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1983. And they don't Yeah. And they don't seem like some of them are just under the
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radar like you don't hear about some of these. This is the first time and I think it's cuz it's so cuz like mid and late 80s
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it's very clearly the big box office movies like the prior year but I think it's cuz their options were pretty
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limited and getting rights to the to VHS's they were still trying to work
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some stuff out at this time. Yeah. So you had a lot of maybe some that weren't like big blockbusters or
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whatever. Yeah. That's interesting. This does have a good cast though. You got Robert Stack, Fred Ward,
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Randall Tex Cobb. Yeah, I'm telling you. Also listen to that episode.
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Definitely have to listen. Okay, you guys. The last category is can Jamie and Milo come out
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and play? Okay. Launched launched in the US in 1984, these robots
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in disguise were based on Japanese toy lines. and exploded in popularity thanks to the
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animated series and comic book. It's kind of Transformers.
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Transformers. Yes, sir. Every Transformers were cool and the
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cartoon was awesome and the toys were awesome. Milo and I were both poor though, so we had a lot of Gobots. We
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We had Transformers. Yeah, we Was that the knockoff version of a
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Transformer? It wasn't even the other version completely separate thing that
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came from Japan, but they they transformed into cars and stuff. But I think they actually like
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they were came out first. I don't think they Yeah, I might have even come out first, but Transformers were cool, but if you
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were if if you were poor, then you had Gobots. Well, Gobots were smaller as well, like
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the Transformers, and they were lame. Like, you put the you put the arms in, you put the legs up, it's a car. Transformers were cool
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because they were intricate. They transformers were cool. I remember playing like I didn't have we I didn't
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have a Transformer all girl child househood household, but my grandparents
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like had a little toy box for when we came over and I had a boy cousin about my age. So there were I played with
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Transformers at my grandparents house. I think girls probably like Transformers, too, because that's how
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cool they were. They were pretty cool. I I got to admit. Let's see here.
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This is very easy. But while introduced in late 1983, the toy line bmed in 1984
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with Earth ponies, unicorns, and pegasai plus accessories and a full playset
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ecosystem. What was it? What toy am I referring to? Well, it has to be My Little Pony,
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right, Jimmy? My Little Pony. Jimmy, you got your My Little Pony collection back behind you there somewhere, right? We just We just can't
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see. did a whole episode on My Little Pony with with with Milo's wife cuz she
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and we so good. Yeah, she had and they smelled weird. We smelled little ponies and stuff. Yeah,
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they did have a smell and I even had the or technically they were praying my sisters, but the the holding case was
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like a stable looking thing. You know what I mean? You guys know what I'm talking about? Yeah. Looked like a horse stable.
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Yeah. Mhm. My cousins had them and I always thought they had a weird smell. Kind of like
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artificially like smelling fruit along with like dirty kid hands. You mix those together. Yeah. My Little Pony My Little
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Pony smell. They smell weird for some reason.
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Yeah, they did. It's that plasticky artificial scent.
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You're right. And kid smell. Yeah. Kid hand germs all over him.
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Let's see. There's Let's Let's find another one. H in that episode, by the way, we talk
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about bronies. That's a whole another subject. Yes, I I remember that. I do. And Yep.
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Mhm. Mhm. God, there's so many toys, which look that up, friends. Yeah, that'll
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make your day. Or My Little Pony episode. That was a good one. I covered the Cabbage Patch Kids craze
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in my Silkwood episode cuz that was 1983. So that Christmas there was such a
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craze for Cabbage Patch Kids and I did not recall the the name of the the
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company who makes them. Do you guys know what who it not Hasbro or Mattel or
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what? But do you know who made the Cabbage Patch Kids? No, I would have guessed one of those two.
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Yeah, I might have guessed Mattel or Hasbro, but Colico. C O L E C O.
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Colico sounds more like a health care provider. I know. I never in a million years. I
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didn't even know this existed, but there was a spin-off from it. Spin-off pet
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toys from the Cabbage Patch Kids line released in 1984 and included cat and
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dogike companions. Oh. With adoption papers and names. How did
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I not have this? Do you guys know what it's called? Do you Do you guys know this? I remember the pets. They had the pets
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come out because they were so Cabbage Patch Kids were so popular and then they like look they got pets now too but I
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don't remember what the pets were called. I can't even remember what they look like in my head but I can't remember
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what they're called. This says cous. What?
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Cus or something? K O S. I am your new dog. It says K O O S A S
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Cus Kusas. And I remember Cabbage Patch. My cousins had those too.
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And I guess we're teaching young women to be good mothers or something cuz they can't they had adoption papers.
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Yes. Like legit adoption papers. Like this is the name of your adopted Cabbage Patch Kid. And the girls are like this. I'm
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I'm a true I adopted this Cabbage Patch Kid. Mine Mine's was Sonia. Her name was
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Sonia. Sonia. Yeah. Mhm. I just looked up couses and they're kind
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of creepy looking. So they're kind of like the human what do they call it? Like the not anamorphic where like kind
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of they make them humanish looking. Yeah. They're kind of humanish looking. Yeah. Yeah. They're kind of creepy
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looking now. Like if if dogs and and people could have babies, they would look like this, right?
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Yeah. They look like that. You probably should put it down cuz it's suffering.
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If anybody had these, and maybe I'm pronouncing it wrong, but I can't believe I didn't. It seems like that
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would be right up my alley, but that was a thing in 1984. Yeah, creepy looking little animal toy
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dolls. Thanks for playing, guys. You did pretty darn good, I'd have to say. Oh, that's fun going back to 1984. That
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was fun. I like it. All right. Well, on this season, we're no longer talking about Kurt and
John Hughes’ teen comedy legacy
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Patrick. We're talking about John Hughes movies. What do you guys think? What's your history? I like many people am a huge John Hughes
25:10
fan. You know, the fact that he only made eight films but wrote so many more that are just so iconic of the 80s and
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were like defining of the 80s, right? like when you anytime you say 1980s
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movies almost instantly John Hughes comes to mind and you can name his movies and
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even if you haven't necessarily seen all of his movies you could you've probably at least seen one you certainly know
25:36
kind of what they're about usually have a pretty good idea who they star you know so it's just yeah he was he was
25:42
iconic of the 80s we couldn't have had the 80s without John Hughes and interestingly I would say John
25:49
Hughes wouldn't exist today if If he were alive, I don't think any of his movies would be made right now based on
25:55
the content of his movies. I concur. He did kind of go go more in the familyfriendly
26:03
direction. However, they're still pretty problematic a lot of the times. Yeah. Which I'm sure we can we'll
26:08
discuss as we go along. Well, and even some of the plot, like if you look at the Breakfast Club, like
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imagine pitching that to a studio. Okay. So, it's a bunch of kids. They got detention. You got the popular one, the
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nerdy one, da da, and they sit around and talk all day. You know, the studio would be like, "What?" No.
26:25
Well, that happened in 1985 or 84 when he he wrote that before actually 16
26:32
Candles. But they said, "No, no, you have to do a more typical teen movie." Like that was
26:41
sort of the deal he did was make 16 candles in order to get Breakfast Club made. Oh, neat trivia
26:48
because the studio even then was like there's not there's no like boobs. There's no, you know, I don't know. Yeah. No drinking.
26:55
Where's the completely random boob shot that doesn't seem to really have a purpose other than 1980s boobs,
27:01
but he was right. I mean, Breakfast Club, you know, spoiler alert, is a way better movie. And everybody, you know,
27:08
not just my opinion, I mean, it's rated better. It's that movie is held in
27:14
extremely high regard. Yeah, totally agree. Do you have any additional any additional thoughts, Jamie?
27:20
Well, here's what I like about John Hughes movies is they're teen comedies, so they're funny and they're teen, but
27:27
John Hughes movies are interesting because they don't they don't insult the intelligence of teenagers.
27:34
So, most teen comedies are just kind of dumb. Look at this. This is dumb. Look, boobies, slapstick, you know, it's
27:43
there's not much to it. But John Hughes movies are smart because I think John
27:48
Hughes knows that teenagers are smart. So they're funny, but they're also
27:53
clever. They're smart and they don't insult the intelligence of teenagers. I think that's one of the main stays of
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John Hughes teen comedy is that I think he respects the people that he's making
28:04
the movies for. That's why I like that's why I like them. They're very relatable and like relevant to the teen
28:11
experience. Yeah. It's not through the lens of the adults looking at the teens. It's
28:17
through the teens. Yeah. And it's not like, you know, super It's got It's got the teen comedy, but
28:25
it's not like porkies where it's or something like that where it's just, hey, look, boobs and funny stuff and
28:31
then that's the end of the movie. Teens like that stuff, right? They like slapstick and boobies, so let's just do
28:37
that. I mean, you still got a lot of slapstick, maybe a little bit of of sexiness, but you also have it's well
28:43
written, and like you say, I think it's they're they're written through the kind of the mind of a of the teenager. So, I
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that's why I dig that's what I think separates John Hughes teen comedies from others.
28:55
Yeah, it's a good point. Yeah, well said, guys. Well, shall we get into the movie 16 Candles?
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[Music] All right, you guys. This came out May
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4th, 1984, which if we're keeping track, is over 40
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years ago. So, that's not awesome.
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Makes me feel very old. I think I just got another gray hair.
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It's PG. Yeah, cuz Yep. Yeah, that's wild. Now, a couple
29:33
reasons. Because uh P R So, at the time, your choices
29:39
were R or PG. PG-13 did not yet exist, and it was only a few months
29:45
before it would exist. Yeah. What movie was it? We covered it. I covered Red Dawn. Yeah,
29:50
Red Dawn was the first one. Yeah. Mhm. So, yeah, it predates that. So, it
29:56
was either going to be an R or PG. And apparently if you have more than two
30:01
F-bombs, it's immediately an R. So they just removed one or removed a couple cuz
30:07
there are I noted at least one F-bomb in 16 candles, but then it still has nudity
30:14
and like underage binge drinking like
30:19
very in your window. Yeah. And are is there sexual assault
30:24
going on here? What you know? So, there's a lot in this and it is a PG movie. Whereas Breakfast Club has no
30:32
nudity, none of that, but it has a lot of language. I mean, some adult
30:37
situations, I guess, but Breakfast Club is an R rated movie. Wild, eh? Yeah. See what happens when you drop too
30:43
many fbombs. Yeah. Yeah. Nudity, sexual assault, possible sexual assault, you know, all that kind
30:50
of stuff. That's fine. But you drop too many fbombs, that's that's an R. We're coming down on the arc. You're over the
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line. You're over the line with that language. You can't drop an Fbomb while you're showing your boobies. Get rid of that
31:02
Fbomb. Yeah. Keep Keep the boobs, though, please. Keep the boobs. That's okay. PG. Yeah. Well, you know, 16 Candles is not
31:10
one of my go-tos. Like, I I always think of it, but I don't I can't quote it like
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I can Breakfast Club or something. So, I sort of conflate it and Pretty Pink in
31:21
my head because I don't rewatch them as often. So, if you are similar to me and you need a
31:27
refresh about 16 candles, here's the description of it. Samantha's life is going downhill fast. The 16-year-old has
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a crush on the most popular boy in school, and the geekiest boy in school has a crush on her. Her sister is
31:41
getting married, and with all the excitement, the rest of the family forgets that it's her 16th birthday. and
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add two sets of horrendously embarrassing and quite funny grandparents, a foreign exchange student
31:54
named Long Duck Dong, and Behold the makings of a hilarious journey into young womanhood. This is 16 candles, and
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it has a 7.0 on IMDb. And to your point, Milo, about
Cast breakdown: Molly Ringwald & beyond
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John Hughes only directing uh, you know, a certain number of films, this was his
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directorial debut. and he also wrote the movie. Yeah, I'm with you, Katie, though. I do
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in my head overlap this with Pretty and Pink. Like when I watched it the other
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night, I was like, "Oh, the thing I'm thinking of must be in Pretty and Pink because it's not in this movie." They're
32:32
very, very similar films. And I think a lot of people think John Hughes directed Pretty and Pink, but he
32:39
didn't. He just wrote it. You're right. As we will get into, but there was a like almost every five minutes I'm like,
32:46
"Oo, wow. Yikes. This one's really problematic." But I do. Now, having said that, I'm
32:55
going to just have fun watching the movie. It's in the 80s. It's a different time, but like it's kind of fun to make
33:01
fun of how like wildly inappropriate and offensive, I guess, a lot of things were
33:07
in this movie. Um, but well, let's start with some of our cast members. So, Samantha's played by Molly Ringwald and
33:15
I'm pretty sure John Hughes wrote this movie for her with her in mind. Like, he
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had a head shot of her and then she went on to become his muse. I guess he had a picture of her headsh
33:28
shot too when he was doing work and he'd kind of look at her every once in a while like this is this is the girl I'm
33:34
writing about. I think she was perfectly cast. I mean, cuz she's adorable, but she also has
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that kind of geeky quality to her to where you're like, okay, she's definitely not going to be like the
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super pretty popular girl. She's also still very attractive and just like I
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just think she's perfectly cast in this. Yeah, I agree. I agree. And then the
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geek is played by Anthony Michael Hall and they were both 15. They both of
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those two were actually 15 years old in this movie. We'll get into some of the ages which I uh is interesting. The
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the crush the the hot boy in this movie Jake Ryan is played by Michael Schuling
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and he didn't Do you guys know him from anything? No, this is literally the only thing I
34:27
know him from. Yeah, I think he went on to just have a regular life. He stopped working in
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1991. It looks like he was 23 when this movie was made,
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which I think that tracks. I buy that. Like he he looks like a a young man.
34:45
Um I thought Anthony Michael Hall looked all of 11 in this movie. Didn't you think he
34:50
looked so young? Yeah. Especially compared to now. Like he looks so different now than he did
34:55
back in the 80s. You know, like he played enough of these nerd roles where he's like, "No." Well, he finally went
35:01
through puberty is what happened. Him and like everything. Went through puberty. A late bloomer, you know.
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Yeah. But he's kind of a bit of a sexual predator as well. Speaking of sexual
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predators, he has a popular girlfriend and her name in the in the movie is Carolyn and she's
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played by Havland Morris and I guess she in real life has red hair.
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Mhm. But John Hughes only wanted to run one red head in the movie. So the her blonde hair is a wig.
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At least it didn't make her bleach. One red head in my movie, and that's Molly Ringwald. Yeah.
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Get your wig on, lady. Did you Did you guys recognize her from anything?
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Her name sounds very That's a very specific name. Um, but I think is most
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known for this, but she was also in Gremlins 2, The New Batch, and Home
35:56
Alone 3. Ooh. So, she likes she likes to do them sequels.
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Yeah, looks like it. And you know, there's a John Hughes connection, I guess, there with Home Alone. But
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I did not recall that this family has four kids. No, I didn't remember any of that
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storyline with the It was the sister getting married. Yeah. But then there's also a younger
36:20
brother and a younger sister. And the younger brother oddly was like second
36:25
build in the movie. Weird. So he's Mike is his name. He's the younger brother. And he's played by
36:31
Justin Henry and they were just trying to maximize his he had just come off
36:38
doing Kramer versus Kramer. It was like a popular kid actor and so they're like, "Oh, people will know his name."
36:46
You know, I did recognize him though when I when when I watched like, okay, this kid looks familiar, so I must have
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seen him in something else back then that he was in. He did. Yeah, you're right. And he was
36:56
pretty good. He was like a jerky little brother. Yeah, he played it well. Mhm. Very.
37:01
Well, yeah. And it makes sense that they the family would have a lot of kids cuz they forgot their daughter's 16th birthday cuz of the older ones getting
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married. There's two others you got to kind of control. She's kind of in the middle. Everybody's forgetting about me.
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I'm Jan Brady here. Jan Brady. Well, six. Yeah. I don't
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know. I mean, forgetting your 16 like sweet 16 is like a thing, I
37:24
guess. I don't know. It never was for for me. Like, we didn't have, you know, I guess like debutants and in some areas
37:31
of the country or the world maybe there's a big deal around your sweet 16. Was was that a big deal where you guys
37:38
grew up? No. In our house, it was like any other birthday.
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Yeah. Plus, we were poor, so it's like, well, whatever we did do for birthdays, we're gonna do that again.
37:49
Yeah. I think you didn't have a Trans Am with a bow on it in the driveway waiting for you. Like, she wanted, she says,
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didn't even bother attempting to ask for a car when my 16th rolled around because I knew there was no chance in hell that
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was going to happen. Yeah, I did get a car, but it wasn't like we went looking for one. I remember going
38:08
like looking for one with my dad, but it wasn't there for me when I woke up on my 16th birthday.
38:14
I know. Poor Katie. Bow on it. It was 10-year-old car. I mean,
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oh, well, that's cool. That That was What was it? What was it? Used car. It was a Ford Probe. Remember that?
38:26
Yeah, I remember the hell was a Ford Probe. It was kind of almost a roundish looking is kind of the way I would describe it.
38:32
It wasn't round, but it kind of had a It was a 1989 Ford Probe cuz like somewhere in the mid9s they changed the
38:38
look of them. But was it the kind of roundy looking one?
38:44
Did it kind of like like the hood? Yeah, the hood was very kind of roundish. And I'm pretty sure did the flash or the
38:50
headlights come up? No, I don't I can't remember. Anyway, when I hear that I just think when did
38:56
Ford get into the healthcare industry? And that's all I can think about. Yeah, it is a
39:02
silly or space. Maybe they're into space now. Probing. Probe. Yeah, that is odd.
39:07
When I think the Taurus eventually was kind of what the Ford Probe got to did, too, cuz they were very similar cars in
39:14
soul. I think when they dis No, Probe was a twodoor. It was kind of like a sporty Oh, car.
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Okay. Tours were really ugly. Wasn't the Ford Probe kind of ugly?
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Am I thinking of car? I clearly didn't think so cuz I got it was like sporty.
39:32
Look, when you get a car and someone else pays for it, doesn't matter what it looks like.
39:38
Yeah, you're right. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, I was picturing the right car, but it's a twodoor.
39:43
It is a twodoor. Yeah, you're right. The Taurus is a four-door, but I guess Yeah, it is more sporty than I was picturing it.
39:49
And yeah, I wanted a Sunfire. Those were like all the rage in the nine, like mid 90s for teenage cars.
39:56
Um, which are kind of ridiculous to think. And what were those other ones? A geo geostorm.
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Geometros. Popular like teen cars. The sky blue and the yellow colors.
40:08
Geos. Geos. They were so cool. And now you look at them, you're like, "Oh, look at that
40:13
little look at that little pill looking thing." Yeah. They must have changed the look a
40:20
bit for the probe though cuz like you had the really kind of circular bubbly front grill and then they had kind of a
40:26
sportier looking version that has like actual vents on the front and stuff. So
40:31
Havlin Morris and so she plays Jake's girlfriend. They're both like in their early 20s, 23 and 24 respectively. And
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then the actor who plays Long Duck Dong and it's is it Ged or Getty? G E Dde
40:48
Watanab. That's the actor's name. I don't know. I' I'd say G. Getty.
40:56
G or Getty. Watanab. So that's the actor. He was 28 years
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old. Really? So he plays the exchange. He looks much younger. 28 years old. Mhm.
41:08
Yeah. That's that's kind of wild. Dude. Yeah. Yeah. Now this is one of the this is one of the biggest problem areas in the
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movie. I mean there are a lot actually but this is a big one and he said in an
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interview that he had a lot of anger publicly expressed toward him for playing this role for you know like diss
41:28
like this is such a negative stereotype for Asian men. Yeah. But Eert, Roger
41:35
Eert, came to his defense writing that he actually elevates his role from
41:40
potentially being an offensive stereotype to high comedy. Um, but since then, a lot of people put
41:48
it in the same category as Mickey Rooney in Breakfast at Tiffany's. Yeah, I I I would say Mickey Rooney is
41:54
probably more so because he's actually not Asian, right? towards this guys. But the thing is, he
42:00
was a young starting out actor. You didn't have a lot of credits prior to this. So, as an actor, you're like,
42:06
"You're going to pay me to be in a movie?" Yeah. Okay, sure. I'll do it. Well, and you're not going to blow me up
42:12
with a missile or something and not make me the bad guy cuz that's a lot of Asian-American male actors. That was
42:17
kind of the like the roles you got back then. Yeah. And he he doesn't have an accent like he's born in the United States. I can't
42:24
remember. I want to say like Utah, somewhere like really bland like that. Uh he had a friend from Korea and he
42:31
said he just mimicked his accent. Nice. So here's the thing about the in early
42:39
and mid 80s is you could still make fun of people in offensive ways like black
42:45
people, women, homosexuals. You could still make fun of and and and you can't
42:52
get away with that now unless you're an Asian male. I was kind of noticing that
42:58
that it still seems even today like it's okay to make fun of Asian males. If you
43:04
make fun of anybody else, it's offensive. But you'll see still see stuff out there that's very kind of
43:09
stereotypical. And I thought that's interesting that the Asian male hasn't really been
43:17
protected in the way that all these other groups of people had in our current kind of world. So, I think it's
43:24
specifically males. I think it's specifically Asian males. And you'll even see comedians, Asian
43:30
male comedians, they still play it up sometimes. You'll still see it. And even like at the high school, like with my
43:36
son, he has a lot of Asian male friends and they were born here, but they still seem to get a lot of that kind of thing.
43:44
So, I was thinking that's interesting that is this character perpetuating that
43:49
stereotype? Yeah. But that's one of the few stereotypes that can still be around
43:55
today. I don't know if it'd be to this level though. I mean, imagine seeing a modern
44:00
movie made to this level. Like literally like every time he shows up, a dong ring, you like thatong the gong. His his
44:09
name is Long Dong. Exactly. And the your last name Dong, your first
44:14
name Long. Ooh. Oh, and he even doesn't he have like karate gear on in in one scene randomly.
44:24
Yeah. And they they continually call him China. The China. The China.
44:29
They have him using some of it's kind of funny like he is he turns the silverware around to use the ends of it as chop.
44:38
I guess the scene with the exercise bike was his idea, the actor's idea, because he found it in the home they were
44:44
filming in and had an idea. So, he did I think probably it could have been worse, I guess, is
44:50
what I'm saying. I think he did make things funny, but yeah.
44:57
Yeah, there was a lot really. And like they they even insinuated that the grandparents were kind of
45:04
using him for like labor. He does a great job mowing the lawn.
45:11
They Well, they listed like four things that they're like, "Yeah, he's learning he's learning all these American things and it's learning how to wash the dishes
45:18
him doing their chores." Yeah. Yeah. But hey, he gets the girl that he was after, right?
45:24
Mhm. So, there you go. Yeah. And Molly Molly Ringwald playing Samantha is jealous. She's like, "He's
45:30
here five minutes and he finds love and I've been here my whole life." Exactly. Yeah. It it's definitely a
45:36
character you have to put into the context of when it was made. You certainly can't put it with our modern
45:42
sensibilities in I am surprised though. I mean I was a toddler in 84 but I guess watching it I
45:51
I was kind of surprised that it was so blatant in the 80s. Like
45:57
it's not the 50s. I don't know. And it's kind of weird for John Hughes, too, who
46:03
in general is pretty, you know, he plays stuff for laughs, but in general plays, you know, like we were saying earlier,
46:09
writes teens reasonably, respectably. But then he throws this character in there that's kind of a bit out of place.
46:16
Just for last. Just Yeah. Like, why why did the grandparents bring
46:22
Yeah, you're right. It is kind of just just for last. And I He is notorious for
46:27
having all-white casts. Mhm. And then when there is someone that is not white, they're a caricature.
46:36
Yeah. Not great, John Hughes. Let's let's work on this in your next life. How about Come on, Sean. Yeah.
46:42
So, the grandparents I thought were [ __ ] hilarious. Paul Douly is her dad. The grandparents, I guess. I'm not
46:48
listing their their names, but you all know Paul Douly. He's extremely famous. He plays her dad. And then her mom is
46:55
played by Carlin Glenn. which I didn't know her from anything,
47:03
but she is the real life mother of an actress in another John Hughes movie.
47:09
You guys know Mary Master Stewart Antonio. What? What?
47:15
How do I say? Yes. Jamie Stewart. Mary Stewart Masterson. Did you look this up at some point? How
47:20
did you know that? I I looked it up at some point. Yeah. Oh, wow. Good job.
47:26
Jeez. Ready for trivia night. That's funny because you were combining I knew where you were going. You were
47:32
combining Mary Stewart Masterson with Mary Antonio.
47:38
Master Antonio. Master Antonio. Yeah. It's like hard to say. Yeah.
47:44
I was confusing all of those, but you get what I I I was getting there. Yeah. And then her sister who's getting
47:50
married is played by Blanch Baker which I think so her sister's name is Jenny in
47:56
this and she's played by Blanch Baker and Baker is the actual actress's last
48:03
name too. I mean should we talk about that marriage? Like she's basically marrying into an abusive relationship.
48:09
Well, first of all, yeah. Who is she marrying? Who was he? Who's the actor? I I recognized him. I can't remember his
48:15
name now, but I knew I knew it when I watched it. I can't think of his name. John Capalos is the actor's name
48:21
and he's the janitor in the Breakfast Club. Oh, that's Yep. Yeah. And he was in another one other John
48:27
Hughes movie cuz he's like one of the one of the like two actors who was in three John Hughes movies.
48:34
He was in Weird Science also. I think he's the bar that they go to in Chicago.
48:40
Yeah. Yeah. I like him as an actor, but that I think they should have expanded the scenes with his parents. The dinner
48:48
with his parents. I thought that was hilarious. Yeah, you're right. They should have had another scene with them.
48:56
Oh, and there's another thing like they offensively call him the oily bow hunk.
49:04
I wish somebody would call me that. That's awesome. The oily bow hunk. car. Jamie, we can start calling you that if you want.
49:12
You know what I actually remember? I actually do and people for let's see how would you describe this is like a
49:18
Midwestern like offensive slang term for um like Eastern European countries like
49:26
Oh, okay. Czechos like at the time it was Czechoslovakia, right?
49:32
They used to call them Hungary probably oily bow hunks. Am I right? Am I Am I getting that
49:38
right? It's like We're from We're from the West Coast, so I'd never heard that other than in this
49:43
film. That's the only place that sounds like Did you guys not know what that meant? [ __ ]
49:49
I thought it was kind of got it based on what they said and who they were saying it to, right? I was thinking like a like a a buff dude
49:55
who's kind of oiled down and he's a boh. He's a hunk, right? See, I was thinking kind of buff, but like oily and he's like sweats and eats
50:03
a lot of oily foods and stuff. So, I was thinking like gross oily. I didn't really understand the oily bit because
50:08
like the way they portrayed the parents were more Italian stereotypes. Yeah. But yeah, he's his name is Rudy and
50:16
their last name is like something Czech and so in the Midwest which John Hughes this like set in Chicago. So in the
50:22
Midwest there are a lot of immigrants from those Eastern European countries like I'm thinking of like Czech
50:28
uh Hungary probably a couple others. Yeah, those immigrants
50:35
like the slang offensive term was boh. Oh, so I better not go around calling
50:42
myself. Don't Is [ __ ] okay without the oily part? Could we just call Jamie [ __ ]
50:48
No, it's like it's like saying [ __ ] What's [ __ ] It's a slang. Well, that one I know that's term for
50:55
Italians. Yeah, I definitely know that one. Like offensive slang. Yeah, it's it's in the same vein. But yeah, like the the
51:03
scene with his parents because they were over the top, but they seemed more again like I like um like a really
51:09
caricaturish mob family cuz he and the even the Godfather music
51:16
comes on. Yeah. Like when he's like, "Oh, my business. It's a little this, a little
51:21
that." And the mom made up. Can't talk about it too much. I might
51:27
have to kill you. Come on. Well, so where were you going with the she's marrying into an abusive
51:33
relationship? Well, because he's really I keep calling you guys. Well, like he's really insulting towards
51:39
her, you know? He says something at some point to her and even the dad kind of
51:45
has a reaction to it like her dad. I don't even remember what he says to her, but he just kind of comes across as
51:51
like very demeaning towards her. Well, yeah, cuz his mom says something like,
51:57
"Oh, he's gonna have to stop now that he's marrying her. He'll have to stop with the sleeping
52:03
around." Something like that. Something like that. And then I think he says, "I can still look."
52:08
Yeah. Nothing wrong with looking or whatever he says. But yeah, just kind of like his attitude and stuff. So maybe
52:14
not like physically abusive, but more like kind of emotionally abusive is the way like he's going to put her down a
52:20
lot. I mean, he basically does kidnap her at the church because she's like completely out of it and he has to like
52:25
physically get her into the Yeah. Relaxing's great with the dress
52:30
hanging out the car. Yeah. And they even like
52:35
And the parents are like, "Come on, go get married. Get out of the house. We don't care that you're all hopped up on meds."
52:41
No, they're trying to offload one of those kids. Yeah. Have her be somebody else's issue.
52:46
We need the space. Too many kids in this house. Indeed. Um, but like her being on
52:52
her period, one of the kids is even like, "Oh, that should make for an interesting honeymoon or something like I'm like,
52:58
"Wow." I don't know. I don't know. I think he says that the husband says that,
53:03
doesn't he? I think it's the husband they say because they overhear it and then he makes some kind of comment or
53:09
something when he's standing there in the church waiting like make very interesting. Also, four muscle relaxers for your
53:16
period. Yeah. I mean, come on. Bring them on. I'll take them. I guess.
53:21
Yeah. On your wedding day, you got something else going on there. That's what I'm saying. But I mean, seriously, who needs a
53:28
muscle relaxer for their period? And then four of them. Four of them. Mhm. Well, Milo and I can't comment on that,
53:35
but we'll take your word for it. I mean, I'll take I'll take the I'll take the muscle relaxants, but can't
53:40
comment on other I'll take all the drugs. Exactly. Also, I don't know. Again, maybe this is
53:47
I feel like a thing back in the day. People got married very quickly. She's like trying to say that I actually like
53:54
this one longer than I like most of them and he loves me. It's been six months
54:01
with the same person. Yeah. Six months clearly. And the wedding is already planned like
54:08
the six months. Six months in Yeah. And they're from meeting to
54:14
marriage. Six months. Yeah. When it's love, you just know that you got to get married right away.
54:20
Did people in general in 1984 get married sooner? Do you remember that at all?
54:27
That's what I wondered. That's what I I kind of think so. But with though,
54:33
I still think that I mean, unless you're pregnant, I feel like that happened a lot. People got married. Pregnancy. Yeah.
54:38
Yeah. Yeah. Maybe she was pregnant and they just didn't tell anybody. Oh, no. Cuz she had her
54:43
her period. Yeah. Never mind. debunked. Yeah, debunked.
54:50
Hey, we know how biology works on the Retro Made Show. I really like I really like Farmer Ted,
54:57
though, the geek. And here's why. He's such a geek, but he's just got this awesome confidence.
55:06
Like, yo, what's up, baby? How you doing? That's the I love that kid.
55:11
some swagger, but he's he's he's just geeking out, but he's he he's comfortable in his own
55:17
skin. He's like, "Yeah, my geek, sure thing, but I'm awesome sauce. I'm a I'm a little bottle of awesome sauce, and I
55:23
know it." That's why I really like his character. I like I like the actor,
55:28
Anthony Michael Hall, who plays him, cuz he does look like kind of a little geek. He's 15, but he hasn't hit puberty yet.
55:34
And he's a geek, but he's just owning himself, you know? He's like the leader of his little geek group.
55:40
I would imagine John Cusack would be the leader of the group. I mean, he's John Cusack.
55:45
I was thinking the same thing, Milo. So, yes, you guys, John Cusack plays a friend and his sister Joan is in this,
55:51
too, which I also could be considered an offensive character.
55:57
She wear she has a back brace and is played for hilarity and it kind of was
56:03
trying to drink water out of the fountain. She can't drink a beer. She can't drink water. She is just like she was she's
56:11
funny. I I love Joan Cusack as an actress. So even seeing her in this tiny role. But
56:17
yeah, and the headgear the Anthony Michael Hall has like just back braces
56:22
and headgear in general like how how ' 80s. So does he carry his headgear around
56:29
with him though? But on the headgear is he wakes up in the car with the girl the next day, right? And he's wearing his
56:35
headgear. So, did he go home and get it at some point or does he just carry it around with him just in case he happens
56:41
to pass out somewhere? Great question. Here's how I'm answering it. They were This is like a Friday
56:47
night and they were all sleeping over at one of the geeks house, remember? Cuz later he goes over there. So, they were
56:53
having a sleepover. So, he probably had it with him. Okay. Like in prep for the sleepover. That's
56:58
how I'm answering it. Sure, I'll allow it. But isn't that such a teenager thing though? John Hughes gets it. you have
57:05
braces or you have a back brace or you have headgear. I remember my son for a while had this big thing on his face to
57:13
move his jaws or whatever. Just like Uhhuh. It's just just an awkward time, right?
57:19
Like your parents are trying to make sure your body isn't disfigured, so they're giving you these things to while
57:26
you're growing. You're a teenager. You got braces and back braces and and head gear and all this stuff. That's a very
57:32
teenager thing. And then you got this on top of that. You got to have your acne medicine. It's an awkward time, man.
57:39
It's the worst time. And of course, every kid at school makes fun of you for it. Yeah. That's why I like Johnny this in this
57:45
movie. I hadn't seen it in a while, but that's why I really like it because it captures a lot of the awkwardness of teenagers, right? That being a teenager,
57:52
like you worry about the what the boy thinks about you. Unlike when you're our age, you're like, I don't give a [ __ ]
57:57
what that guy thinks about me. Go pound sand. You're right. cuz I'm so far removed
58:04
from being 15 uh that I'm like I don't care. Like she's concerned about not filling out
58:09
her dress. Like her boobs, like she has boobs, but they're not big boobs. And she's like jealous of the older, you
58:16
know, the senior girls and was the boy like me? And even in the the scene where
58:22
she's like writing the note, uh it's like an anonymous questionnaire about basically sexual things and she's
58:28
answering it and then she's supposed to pass it back. And the
58:34
massive embarrassment, I would die if the boy that I had a crush on read the
58:40
note that I just said I wanted to have sex with him in the note. I mean, just
58:46
disaster waiting. Yeah. So, I had forgotten and it really took me back to
58:51
being 15. Yeah. You're cuz you're so self-conscious and I see it in my teen son. He like really like he cares if he
58:59
smells or not and he's always wearing like cologne and stuff. I'm like, "Dude, you smell like
59:05
younger. The house smells like a like a like a wh house in here. What's going on?" Like,
59:12
are you going to sell some watches? Jesus. But he's like, "I don't want to smell bad. I'm going to go see my girlfriend." Dude, how could you
59:17
possibly smell bad? You took a bath in cologne. Just can you ease up on that? Cuz back then I remember though I didn't
59:24
want to smell either. Now I'm like, "Yeah, I'm all right. Good enough. Go a couple more days. It's all good."
59:30
No, I I fully support I fully support teenagers wearing the cologne cuz I remember loving the scent
59:37
that my boyfriend wore and like when I'd wear his shirt, you know, I'd take his shirt home and like I'm like, "Oh, it
59:42
smells like him." You know, but they care. They care that teenagers care. That's why I like this movie. It
59:48
took me back to like teenagerhood where you care. They all care about stuff like that. And it's nice, you know. I And
59:56
they're awkward and it is nice, but it also makes you really insecure. I never want to go to that
1:00:02
level of insecurity ever again. You know, unless you're farmer Ted the geek, man.
1:00:07
He doesn't have any insecurity. He's like, "Here's my headgear. Whatever. I'm awesome." He's also almost predator. guy does not
1:00:14
take no for an answer. Come on. Like, how many times does she say no? She's like, "No, no, no. Get off me." No. You
1:00:22
know, and then he's like, "Oh, sure. I'll take your passed out, drunk girlfriend home. Just throw in the No
1:00:28
problem." He's more worried about driving the car than the girl. You know, it's like, "That's a nice car. I can't
1:00:34
drive that. Can't I just throw your girlfriend, you know, in on the bus?" On the bus.
1:00:40
So, yeah. Like this night they're at a dance from from Anthony Michael Hall's
1:00:46
character. He makes a bet. This is just wild. The events that happen that he
1:00:52
does that he should feel responsible for. He bets his loser friends that he
1:00:57
is basically going to have sex that night right then and there with Samantha. And they somehow end up in the
1:01:05
shop room in a half-built car. Yeah. Milo, he comes on to her like
1:01:11
tired mauls her and she's like get off and he's like I think he maybe even said I'm
1:01:18
sorry and then she said it's okay. He takes it's okay as permission to start
1:01:25
doing it again. And because he actually does like her and I think he does respect her, he tells her this little
1:01:33
secret that he has with his friends and she gave him the panties to use.
1:01:39
cuz she likes him too. Actually, I think she likes him too. She doesn't want to get it on with him, but I think she
1:01:44
respects his tenacity. I don't know. So then all these like freshman boys pay
1:01:50
to see the panties. Exactly. $1. You want to see the panties? $1.
1:01:56
Which, by the way, what? How? How are they buying this as proof of sex? He
1:02:03
could have just bought those. Yeah. Yeah. or found him somewhere or
1:02:08
ran to the store. Yeah. Could have got him anywhere. So then later in the evening, he's in a
1:02:15
car with yet another woman after trading the panties for her.
1:02:20
That's right. They make a deal. Tell us about the deal, Milo. Tell us about this
1:02:26
the deal that Jake He trades his girl. This is just wild. Yeah. He's literally like his
1:02:33
girlfriend's passed out drunk and he finds Anthony Michael Hall
1:02:40
in his house and he's Anony's making him a drink and and
1:02:45
mentions the panties and he's like, "Hey, I'll trade you those give me the panties and I'll let you take my
1:02:51
girlfriend home." And he's like, "Well, I can't do that." And she's like, "Oh, no. She's passed out. She wouldn't know me from you. It's fine. Go for it."
1:03:01
And then he even tells her I'm him. He's me to now.
1:03:06
Yes. So she wakes up say it. But did you mean did was he giving permission to
1:03:13
sleep with her? That's the way I was taking it. I think it was implied. I It was definitely say it.
1:03:20
Yeah. So once they dump her in the back of the car, she wakes up for a second. She
1:03:26
looks at him and Jake's like, "What? Who? Who are you?" And Jake's like, "He's me and I'm you. He's me." And
1:03:34
she's like, "Okay, that's good." And passes back out and he's like, "Yeah." Cuz even even, you know, the geek is
1:03:39
kind of like, "Are you sure?" And Jake's like, "Yeah, that's good. I I've I've
1:03:44
got a new girl that I like now, so do whatever you want with this one. She's used up. I've had her before."
1:03:50
Yeah. Yeah. I've lost. And I think he's sick of all her partying and stuff. And maybe he wants a
1:03:55
girl who's like a little more stable, maybe maybe nicer. And everybody knows,
1:04:01
someone I can love and care about that's, you know, not maybe he's maturing.
1:04:07
Yeah, maybe he's getting he's maturing as a guy. Yeah, it's very mature to ditch your
1:04:12
drunk girlfriend in a car with some geek, implying that the geek can have sex with her.
1:04:18
He's sick of her, man. Whatever you want, kid. It It doesn't matter to me. Wheeling and dealing. She, you know, he
1:04:25
fair and square, man. Uh, also, did you guys notice that when they're putting it
1:04:30
takes two of them, they're collaborating on this kidnapping extravagana, putting
1:04:36
her in the car with another six-pack of beer. This is the end of the night. The
1:04:42
party's over. And he's like, "Here's some roies for you."
1:04:47
Yep. And she continues to drink it. Was he doing that on purpose to maintain her level of
1:04:53
I think so he's like you don't want her like it was again implied you don't want her waking up so just you know too much
1:04:59
so just keep feeding her beers have a few for yourself and it's all good and drive the car that
1:05:05
you really barely know how to drive without your driver's license. Yeah, it's all good. Hey, but as long as you
1:05:11
don't drop those fbombs, that's fine. Don't drop any PG. Again, you guys, yes, this is a PG-rated
1:05:18
movie. It is a take your kids to see it. Underage drinking, sexual assault,
1:05:26
but they don't have it. They only have one fbomb. It's okay. But he needs proof of this. So he goes to his friends and asks if they have
1:05:32
film in the camera. Yes. So 80s. Yeah. Again, very inappropriate.
1:05:40
Hey, look. I got this drunk girl. Let's take my picture with her. Yeah. And then
1:05:46
they assume that they've already slept together and they're like, "Two in one night. You're a legend."
1:05:53
Yeah. This like 11-year-old looking boy. Yeah. He's such a stud. Such a stud. No
1:06:01
longer the geek. He's the stud. The alpha geek. He's the alpha beta. That's why That's why he is.
1:06:07
There's a few other really inappropriate things that I wanted to I'm sure that you that you caught. One is on more than
1:06:15
one occasion they use the f word that rhymes with bag.
1:06:21
Oh. Oh yeah. Multiple times. Like as an insult. Do you I seriously do remember that word
1:06:29
being used as lame like to mean lame. Yeah. I remember that from my youth as
1:06:34
well. Like we didn't throw it around as we Yeah. It was it it was to the level
1:06:39
of calling somebody lame or you know a geek or a loser you know like you would say it to your friends like oh
1:06:46
you know kind of stuff like we it it back then it wasn't
1:06:52
necessarily like a hard insult. It was a kind of a soft insult. But it's we're so
1:06:57
far it's Isn't it funny how once it's removed from your vernacular it stands
1:07:03
out so much when you do hear it again? Mhm. That and
1:07:10
again all always all white people in these movies when Samantha is talking
1:07:16
about what would be her perfect you know her she's complaining to her friend that her family she says my family [ __ ]
1:07:22
forgot my birthday and her friend was like well what did what did you want a trans Aam in the driveway with a bow
1:07:27
around it or something and then she's like talking about her perfect birthday about like a a cute guy and a transam or
1:07:36
something or and a black one and her friend goes, "A black guy?" Like like as
1:07:44
if that so shocked that she would actually want to like date a black boy
1:07:51
and she was like, "God, no. The Trans Am a pink boy." Do you remember her saying
1:07:58
that? I don't remember that. I must have missed that one. Yeah. Oh, wow. That's funny.
1:08:04
It was like in the school hallway and I was like, "Oh my god." Yeah. Where would you even find a black kid
1:08:10
anyway? Cuz you're in the part of Chicago suburbs that they don't even Maybe that's why her friend was so
1:08:16
shocked. There aren't any black people in within miles of us. You're going to go up to the south side.
1:08:21
Like where are you going to go? Yeah. Oh my god. But then she said no. a black car, a pink boy
1:08:30
to make nice and white pink kind of. Yeah, cuz they were talking about like pink or I don't know somehow like mixing
1:08:37
up the boy in the car. I don't know. There was a Mr. T reference.
1:08:43
Oh, what was that? This is 1984. And I pity a fool. Mhm. So Rocky,
1:08:50
I don't know. Actually, the So the A team would have already The A team would be on a team. Rocky Rocky Rocky 3 would have
1:08:56
been out. Yeah. Yeah. 84. I think maybe even his serial was out by then.
1:09:02
Mr. T serial. Mhm. That was kind of big back then. Yeah, he was quite popular then.
1:09:07
Yeah. He's wild. Did you So, here's the question. So, if unless I miss something. So, you know,
1:09:13
when the when Jake goes to her house to find her and Long Duck Dong answers the
1:09:19
door, he's got a black eye and he starts freaking out like Jake had hit him and
1:09:26
they say there's a conversation where he's like, "Are you going to hit me again?" or something like that, but there's no You beat me or something.
1:09:32
Yeah, you beat me. But there's no scene. So, they obviously cut a scene out of the film at some point in time where
1:09:38
Jake beats up Long Duck Dong. 100%. I actually rewound it, Milo, cuz
1:09:44
I'm like, "Wait, did I miss something?" Yeah. Yeah. So, it must I'm guessing it must have happened at the party, baby, or
1:09:50
something. But, so Jake also was a dick for besides pimping out his girl, he
1:09:57
also beats up the Asian foreign exchange student. Yeah. For no reason. What did he do?
1:10:04
He's just He might have did something obnoxious. But yeah, that's the thing. I want that I want to find out what that cut scene is. It's a hate crime.
1:10:10
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're right, Milo. But I got to say, very dreamy.
1:10:17
This Jake. Mhm. Did you guys not think so?
1:10:22
In fact, that's why they chose him because actually, I guess he was so shy in the audition and they were like, "We
1:10:29
don't know if this guy's going to work." But they were all like, "God, this guy's dreamy, though. We got to work with this guy somehow."
1:10:34
But he's so But he's so pretty. Yeah, I guess. And he really he really I mean, he he
1:10:41
Yeah. Jake from from Mhm. I'd have a crush on him if I were a 16-year-old redhead in a suburban
1:10:48
Chicago school. I'd be like, "Damn, he's like the perfect ' 80s rich kid."
1:10:54
This movie also checks all the boxes. There's a dance that they go to. There's a party at the
1:10:59
rich kid's house. There's nerds and jocks that, you know, so I don't know why that's like a trope in ' 80s movies,
1:11:07
but they seem to always have beef with each other. I I don't There must been a cut.
1:11:13
Remember my high school? The nerds and jocks did not. Nerds and jocks. Yep. A real thing actually.
1:11:18
Exactly. Because like in real Oh, real life. It's real. in real life like it seems like the jocks would like
1:11:26
you're not enough for me to even care about. That seems like how they would
1:11:31
you must have went to later the nerds got wealthy like working for tech companies and the jocks are
1:11:37
like I don't know selling insurance so the nerds won out in the long run. True.
1:11:42
The nerds got the trophy now. The geeks were right. Well, where I was
1:11:48
going with that, Milo, is like Jake's friend even when they're in the gym, which was a weird scene. They're like
1:11:54
doing pull-ups or something, and his friend uh basically when he's asked
1:12:00
about, "Do you know Samantha Baker? What do you think about her?" And his friend is like, "I don't."
1:12:06
Like that's that's how they think of people that aren't of their caliber or whatever.
1:12:12
Yeah. In their in their clique or their group. Yeah. I think you find a lot less groups
1:12:18
that way with today's kids. But it's weird cuz like my kids, my son's a
1:12:23
teenager and I'll drop him off at school or whatever or he's hanging out with friends and I'm like it used to be
1:12:29
geeks. The geeks like you see in this movie were kind of a subset of of the kids, but seems like there's so many
1:12:36
more of them now. Like maybe they're the majority now. There's a lot of weird
1:12:42
kids, man. That's a good point. There's so many subg genres.
1:12:49
Kids kids have figured out they're like, "Wait a minute. If I'm a geek, I'm going to be rich and successful and get the
1:12:54
hot girl to whereas if I'm a jock, I'm going to spend the rest of my life remembering that time in high school
1:13:00
when I, you know, threw the football touchdown or whatever. You know, peak in high school.
1:13:05
You're going to be success. They're thinking ahead. Yeah, they're thinking ahead. You're going to be Uncle Rico or or Al
1:13:12
Bundy. Exactly. Yes. Al Bundy. Exactly.
1:13:18
Be selling shoes. Remember that time you threw a touchdown in high school? Selling shoes. Jocks. You lo You lost.
1:13:26
You lose. There's a few other people that I wanted to point out. I was looking for it. The
1:13:33
reverend I did see. So, in the wedding scene when Jenny,
1:13:38
she's like needs to sit down in the pew cuz she's so out of it on muscle relaxer. She's like, I just need to sit
1:13:43
and rest for a minute. She sits next to Agnes Belalushi who is that actress in
1:13:49
the sitting next to her is John and James mom. Wow. So, they got her a little gig in
1:13:56
the film. the the priest or the reverend is played by Bill Murray's brother,
1:14:02
Brian Doyle Murray. I thought that was fun. The less famous Murray, but he's still
1:14:07
in a lot of stuff. Brian Doyle Murphy, if you look at he's shows up in a lot of films in support of
1:14:12
his IMDb page is a mile long. He's in so Yeah, he's in so many things. You
1:14:18
remember Groundhog Day? He was like the the mayor. Well, that's Bill's movie. Like
1:14:23
yeah, of course he's going to Bill's like just in so many things. Okay. Yeah, I guess that I mean that
1:14:30
tracks. Also, Jamie Girtz, did you guys see her? She's one of friends.
1:14:35
That that's like she just had a little cameo kind of a little role, but I I was so I was surprised to see because I I
1:14:41
love Jamie Girtz. I think she's kind of the underrated kind of movie Dream Girl of the 80s.
1:14:47
Um so it was cool to see her in there. I'm I'm a big fan.
1:14:53
I am too. Now, we already covered Ferris Buer's Day Off and so we were talking
1:14:59
about the there was meaning behind all the license plates in Ferris Buer's Day
1:15:04
Off and that seems to be a thing that John Hughes does. Well, this being his first movie that he directed, did you
1:15:10
guys see that? So Jake's car, which is a pretty sweet car, the license plate was 21850,
1:15:17
which is John Hugh's birthday, February 18th, 1950.
1:15:23
And Molly Ringwald's birthday is also February 18th. Oh. Oh, wow. Didn't know that.
1:15:30
That house. Yeah. Again, I don't know. I think I'm again, this is my conflating pretty and
1:15:37
pink, I think, with 16 candles because I recalled them being poor and they're
1:15:43
definitely not poor. That was a giant house. I guess there's six bedrooms. It
1:15:49
was a brick house in northwestern Evston, Illinois. And in 2006 it sold
1:15:56
for1 and a4 million which today would be
1:16:01
like I don't know $3 million probably. Yeah, probably. Yeah, actually probably tripled.
1:16:08
I mean it sounds like a lot but these days it's not a lot but in 2006 it
1:16:13
probably was. It's a lot in a Chicago suburb.
1:16:18
Yeah. That house probably would cost about $3 million probably. Yeah.
1:16:23
Yeah. Houses are expensive. Extreme. But her room wasn't in that house. Her
1:16:29
room was in like a part of the the gym that they were in where they filmed
1:16:34
dances and stuff in the school which they tore down and and now it's a community college. But I guess that high
1:16:42
school that they did it in had been closed for four years. So they filmed it in there. But her room was was a set in
1:16:47
there. And I guess Molly Ringwald had a lot of her own stuff from her room in that fake room. So you get a little a
1:16:55
little insight into what Molly Ringwald, the real Molly Ringwald's room might have looked like cuz she had a lot of
1:17:00
her own stuff in there. Yeah. And like her binder, like a lot of band names and stuff that she was into
1:17:06
on her written on her school binder and stuff like that. Yeah. And in fact, I guess she and Anthony Michael Hall didn't get along at
1:17:12
first. So John Hughes sent them off to go buy music together at the mall and they ended up like liking the same music
1:17:20
and one of the bands she had written on there was this kind of one of the bands that they liked. So they kind of bonded
1:17:25
over music which worked out cuz they were the only two that were underage. So when they
1:17:33
were shooting this movie, let's see, I think it was in Skoi, they were, you know, being housed at this
1:17:39
hotel in Skoi and on the weekends, everybody else that was of age went to clubs and Molly
1:17:47
Ringwald and Anthony Michael Hall being 15 couldn't do that. So I guess, you know, after they bonded at over music,
1:17:53
they crashed bar mitzvah at the hotel. Yes.
1:17:58
Hang out with a fun thing to do. It sounds like a very John Hughes John Hughes movie plotline. Like it does.
1:18:05
A couple 15year-old kids who can't go out because everybody's an adult. They go crash bar miffas. You can make a John
1:18:11
Hughes movie about that. That's the whole premise of a John Hughes movie. Also, listeners, I would like to point
1:18:18
out that the reason I know that is because I started reading the book that I mentioned a couple episodes ago
1:18:25
that I told you I would give you some tidbits from. You couldn't ignore me if you tried the Brat Pack John Hughes and
1:18:31
their impact on a generation by Susanna Gora. So yeah, fun fun fact.
1:18:37
Oh, that looks like a good one. Did you guys see that the note uh the
1:18:42
embarrassing like she's writing it's like asking questions. Have you done it? Who do you want to do it with? Like very
1:18:48
um at the top it says confidential but confidential is spelled wrong. I didn't notice that.
1:18:55
That's awesome. Yeah, it's very typical, too. I don't know if that was like an accident or if they
1:19:00
purposefully did that. Oh, that'd be funny. Either way, it's awesome. Yeah. Either way, it's so it's it's so
1:19:06
perfect. Yeah. I don't think note passing was a thing in German schools, by the way, cuz
1:19:12
when we watched this, my wife said something about the note and she's like, "What?" And I'm like, "Yeah, they're like writing notes and
1:19:18
passing notes in class." And so, she didn't get what they were doing. She was like, "Is that like a quiz or something?" I'm like, "No, they're not
1:19:23
going to ask that on a quiz." Like, it's like She's passing notes to her friend. Yeah.
1:19:29
I mean, it was a quiz, but like a friend quiz. It was a friend quiz. Yeah. Yeah. But you pass all kinds of notes in
1:19:34
class. That was totally a thing. That's how you That's how you texted back then. You'd pass notes, but they didn't do it in German schools.
1:19:41
I guess serious over there. Nine. Yeah. Nine. No notes. Slapped with a
1:19:47
ruler if you get caught. Just passing a note. We didn't build MercedesBenzes by passing notes. Pay attention. You study.
1:19:55
busy being a serious civilization. Yeah. I like how one of the questions was like, "Have you ever had sex?" And one
1:20:03
was and it was kind of like maybe or something like that or how do you know? How do you tell? She said sort of or kind of or something
1:20:10
or I think so. I think I think it was like, you know, that's that I feel like is
1:20:15
such a pre-teen teen thing to be like, well, I've done some stuff, but you
1:20:23
know, I I don't know. Is that sex? Yeah,
1:20:28
that's pretty funny. So, I do very much like the the person that they cast as Jake Ryan. However, in
1:20:35
an alternate universe, I would have loved this, too. You're never going to guess in a million years who was super
1:20:42
close to getting it. It was down to two people are Michael Schafield or Schaing
1:20:50
and Vo Mortensson. Yeah. I would I would watch that. I
1:20:55
Yeah, is a star. He is I I adore Yeah. I mean, and I He's
1:21:02
an exception for me cuz I'm not a blonde. Not into the blondes. But dude, VGO Mortonson.
1:21:08
Yeah. Yeah. I guess Molly really wanted him to to be the guy, too, cuz she was like
1:21:13
that that guy is like, I like this guy. She's like, if I had to choose, I'd hit that.
1:21:20
Yeah. I think the studio wanted VGO, too. But John, you know, he he put the
1:21:25
hammer down and he said, "No, it's going to be show thing." John. Yeah. I mean, I guess he has more of that kind
1:21:33
of high school jock preppy look versus
1:21:38
Yeah. Like he definitely has probably more of the look of that kind that Yeah. Drives a Porsche
1:21:43
thing. Whereas, although Vgo maybe could have done like the the blonde Ivy League look too,
1:21:49
maybe. I don't know. Yeah. I'm not mad at I'm not mad at R.J. Ryan here. So, but I I I would like the
1:21:55
alternate reality, too. Maybe he could have been in the sequel because as we always talk about in these '8s
1:22:01
movies, there's always talk of sequels or remakes or whatnot. There was a potential sequel in 2005 and
1:22:09
Molly Ringald actually was interested in doing it. It was going to be 32 candles,
1:22:16
you know, doubling. Well, now it'd be more like 50 something candles or something.
1:22:23
60 or whatever. 60 candles. No, she's probably not that much older than us. I don't know.
1:22:30
67 candles. Like 67 and a half candles. Now you could collect social security.
1:22:35
And people are like, "Oh yeah, we can collect social security now." And it's a whole movie about Molly Ringwald
1:22:40
collecting social security. She's like party time.
1:22:46
Jake's gone. And there's a new guy in the old folks home that she's got a crush on. Oh, it's VGO.
1:22:53
Yeah, VGO's back. I'd watch it. I like it. Start writing. Start writing.
1:22:59
We didn't talk about the music and I wanted to bring him up uh because he's a
1:23:04
very frequent collaborator with John Hughes. The guy who did the music is Ira Neworn and we talked about him on the
1:23:10
Ferris Buer's Day Off episode because he also did that music. But Weird Science, Uncle Buck, Planes, Trans Auto
1:23:16
Automobiles, and also Ace Ventura and Mrats. Mrs. Even.
1:23:22
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It I mean again
1:23:27
like when you think ' 80s and you think his mo his film, John Hughes films, you
1:23:32
think music as well. Like he every one of his films has a soundtrack that goes
1:23:38
along with it perfectly. 100% 100%. And it kind of used to be that way with John Hughes or Tim Burton
1:23:46
or even who's the '90s guy that why can't I think of his name?
1:23:52
Pulp Fiction. Quinn Tarantino. Tarantino. Yeah. Where they they have they get they
1:23:57
find their style and they then they find their musical score guy
1:24:02
and they find a cohort of actors that they like to work with and that's kind of their little world of
1:24:10
their little film world. I don't know. Like I don't watch many movies. Is it still that way where directors kind of
1:24:17
have that thing or I I think I feel like that was a thing back then. Question. It very much was.
1:24:23
Yeah. John Hughes had his Molly Ringwalds and he had the people who did he had his style, the people who did his
1:24:29
music and the Michael Anthony Hall. He had his group just like Tim Burton did,
1:24:37
right? That's was my group. I I don't know if that's a thing anymore. And maybe it's because studios kind of
1:24:43
control everything now instead of the actual directors. It might be. There was a a really
1:24:50
interesting guest on the Daily Show recently. Her name is Nancy. She's like oldworld Hollywood, but she's an Asian
1:24:56
actress that somehow got parts that weren't just like caricatures.
1:25:02
We're talking like in the 60s. And so she was talking about how at that time
1:25:07
the era where the studios you were under and part of the reason that that happened for her was because she was
1:25:12
under contract with a studio. So she was had to be in they had her contracted for eight movies or whatever. And so she
1:25:20
said that was kind of ending in the 60s and she said something really interesting. They were talking about movies. She said everything kind of
1:25:26
comes back. So, I think that you saying that, Jamie, made me realize, are we are
1:25:31
we getting back to that because when that ended, it ushered in this whole independent movie
1:25:38
era, you know, really big in the '9s and then now we're kind of back to just
1:25:43
these like giant studio films. So, I don't know. It just kind of reminded me of that. Yeah. So, speaking of which though, a
1:25:51
lot of these movies that John Hughes did in the 80s that I that are really good were made for no money. This was made
1:25:57
for $6.5 million and it was nothing to sneeze at the worldwide gross. It was
1:26:03
$23.6 million on such a small budget which was considered a modest hit at the
1:26:08
time. And you're right, Jamie, it right behind Breaken. It opened in '84,
1:26:15
but it became a big hit on VHS. You guys, it's a film that's sweet, massively questionable, but also
1:26:21
relatable. Yeah. All the same. and very much of its time.
Final thoughts on Sixteen Candles
1:26:27
You know, whether you're team Jake Ryan or just here for the '8s vibes, I do hope you enjoyed this trip back to 1984.
1:26:34
Jamie Milo, thank you so much for joining me. What are your closing thoughts on 16 Candles?
1:26:42
Go for it, Jamie. I guess they're just a movie that won't
1:26:47
be made again. So, that's what makes it good, I guess. I I I I kind of miss a
1:26:54
lot of the I I don't know, maybe I'm a bad person, but I miss when you could
1:26:59
make fun of things like they what they made fun of back then. So maybe I'm
1:27:04
terrible, but I wish I wish you could make movies like this where people weren't
1:27:11
I mean, maybe not. Maybe not some of it, but I wish I wish you could like be a
1:27:16
little more like less offended people and watch this and just take it in stride. So, I like this. I haven't seen
1:27:23
this in forever. And it reminded me of being a teenager again, even though I wasn't a teenager in 1984. I was a kid,
1:27:30
but if this will take you back to some of the insecurities and weirdness of being a teenager, so I dig it. I'm glad
1:27:35
I got to revisit this again. Yeah, I'm I'm with you. It's one of those films you have to watch it and put
1:27:41
it into context of when it was made in order to appreciate it. Having said
1:27:46
that, I can also accept how modern audiences might not like this film. And I wouldn't fault somebody if they're
1:27:53
like, "Oh, yeah, no, I find it offensive. I can't watch it." That's fine. But if other people like it, let them
1:27:59
like it. You know, it's a certainly Yeah. questionable decisions at various points, but it's a teen comedy from the
1:28:07
80s. It is what it is and you just have to appreciate it for what it is. And you
1:28:13
know it was John Hugh's first film and he started a trend in the 80s that makes
1:28:20
the 80s part of what it was and why we enjoy it is thanks to John Hughes. So
1:28:25
you have to appreciate it for that. Both very well said. P.S. I forgot to
1:28:31
see if you guys also laughed at one of my favorite moments in the movie that I don't recall ever tracking initially
1:28:40
when the grandmas are in the kitchen trying to make breakfast. The cigarette ashes,
1:28:47
the one grandma's trying to catch the other grandma's cigarette ash while they're cooking and it's the longest and
1:28:53
it's like in two scenes. Then later when they're like eating at the table, she's got a really long cigarette ash, too. I
1:28:59
was dying at that. Yeah, my grandma had those long ass ash
1:29:04
cigarette ashes and I remember my mom sometimes like getting a little ashtray and kind of flicking it off from my
1:29:10
grandma or they'd cook and even like the ashes would fall into this stuff. They'd be like, "Bitch,
1:29:16
we're cooking it anyway, dude." Indoor smoking was in 1984 was a thing.
1:29:23
And my grandma had I don't know why sometimes she'd smoke, but sometimes she'd just light it up just because
1:29:29
she's just used to having it, but she wouldn't even smoke it. It just turned into this
1:29:34
little thing. That's funny. I'm glad you brought that up because I It's so true.
1:29:40
I almost forgot about it, but I was like, "Oh my god." And I don't remember noticing that in any prior watch.
1:29:46
That was so real back then, though. He must see that's 1984. That was real. Grandma
1:29:52
in his life. Yeah, grandma's had those longass ash cigarettes. It's true.
1:29:57
That's a smoking while cooking or doing any other thing.
1:30:02
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1:30:09
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1:30:16
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