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This is the Grand Canyon Hiker Dude Show presented by Hiken. Hiking plus kinship. That's Hiken. Together, we roam. Here's your host, my hubby, and cofounder of Hiken, Brian Special.
Brian:Alright. It is moving fast. It is, Tuesday afternoon now, 07/15/2025. The focus really seems to be shifting off of the lodge area. And now, at least for our purposes, into the canyon, Zena's back with me.
Brian:Man, what a day.
Zeena:Yep. You're pretty charged up.
Brian:Yeah. There's a lot going on, and there's a lot to to stay up with. It can be very frustrating doing this when well, when when you don't think that you're getting all the information that you maybe should be getting. You know, I'm just going through these these press releases and the press conferences that they have. They're not even press conferences.
Brian:They're statements, and deciphering what's going on. And we just heard some what what I consider, especially for our group, to be significant breaking news from the operational command briefing that they had just a little bit ago. And they just happened to mention about halfway through that statement that they were making that they were sending a hell attack team down to the pump house at Roaring Springs, which is actually at at Manzanita, the pump house itself. So yesterday in the NPS press release and briefing that we heard, there was no threat to Roaring Springs or any of the area down there. We're talking at the base essentially of the North Rim.
Brian:3,600 vertical feet and 5.4 miles from the North Kaibab Trailhead is Manzanita, the Manzanita Rest Area, probably the most beautiful rest area that we have on the corridor trails. And to hear that that is threatened now is just absolutely it's stunning. It's stunning to show that that fire can get all the way down there potentially. Now we don't know exactly where it is, but what they did say in that briefing is that they were sending a hell attack team down, and that essentially means a group of firefighters who are going down there by helicopter, and they're gonna be dropped off, and they're gonna begin essentially preemptive defensive measures around the pump house in case the fire does get all the way down there. Well, if they're sending people down there, obviously, there is at least somewhat of a threat.
Brian:And what the gentleman said, quote, they're gonna be working on doing some preparation in there so we can limit any impacts to that pump house from fire, end quote. So clearly, they're concerned about what's happening. And I also picked up from that briefing that I mean, the fire has obviously spilled over the North Rim and has been over the North Rim for for a couple of days and and burning down into Roaring Springs Canyon. We saw on the maps yesterday, last night, that you could tell that the perimeter was down at Supai Tunnel, which is 1.7 miles from North Kaibab Trailhead. There's so much vegetation up there.
Brian:It's like you're in a forest on that trail up in that area, and you could see that it's burned all the way down to Supai Tunnel. That was last night. Who knows how much farther down it's gotten from there? Because now you're talking about Redwall Bridge, then the iconic eye of the needle section where the the the trail is cut into the Redwall limestone right along the cliff. And then all that vegetation down below it is essentially Roaring Springs proper that leads to the to the falls that provides the the water supply for the North and south rims, and then Manzanita.
Brian:And then beyond that, we've got we've got Cottonwood. So, you know, who knows how far this thing can get? And I'm hoping they can they can stop it before it gets to to Manzanita, but it is you know, this is some this is some serious stuff, and it's getting Yeah. It's getting little Yeah. I mean, that and that's right.
Brian:To me, that's that's major breaking news, and that should be that should be out there preemptively, but this was just kinda mentioned halfway through this press conference, and I'm Wally. Yeah. My alarm bells are going off. It's like, wait a second here. You know?
Brian:Again, reporters who aren't used to the canyon, they probably don't understand the terrain and what this what this all means for the canyon and North Kaibab Trail and things like that. But, you know, obviously, we do. We understand what what this means and the impacts that it's going to have on North Kaibab, and honestly, the immediate future of of North Kaibab. Because if it's burned all the way down to, you know, Supai Tunnel as it had last night, there's gotta be devastation on the trail. And I I have not heard one single word, one single report from the National Park Service or any of these the the fire command about, you know, any impact to the trail.
Brian:Obviously, that's not their priority. Their priority is protects protecting structures. But, man, it is concerning, to say the least, for the for the Grand Canyon hiking community. So here are the nuts and bolts. All that being said, here is what is at the foundation of it.
Brian:We're up to, as of this morning, 8,570 acres burned. That's up from 5,000 yesterday. Worse is that containment still sits at 0%. There are 366 people assigned to fight this fire. I do did also hear that they sent a structure protection group into the developed areas to protect the structures that have not burned, especially those in the in in the Grand Canyon Lodge area and also the employee housing areas.
Brian:And they're there to, you know, again, be preemptive and to make sure that there is is no reburn. But, yeah, again, the big news out of that briefing that that I saw was the was the threat to to Manzanita and the threat to to the pump house down there. Again, hopefully, they they get a stop on it, but I also saw that that there there's no one working the fire south of Grand Canyon Lodge. Obviously, that is in the canyon. They talk about the terrain.
Brian:It's it's almost impossible to to put personnel down into the canyon in that area. But it's jarring to hear that because, you know, they're saying they're monitoring it from the air right now, but there's no one that they said that is is fighting that fire. So again, what outside of mother nature in a monsoon storm or something is going to stop the advance of this thing? I I don't know. That's above my pay grade.
Brian:I don't understand how fire science works, but it's scary because it could look on a map like it's really getting close to Cottonwood, and it's really getting close to Ribbon Falls because that's what it looked like last night, relatively close. It could be two or 3,000 feet above it and look closer on a map, but who's to say that embers and fire cannot continue to spill over and down into the bottom of the canyon? And if you're talking about Ribbon Falls and you're talking about Cottonwood, you're talking about the whole frying pan area, which is wide open and exposed. And then eventually, you're talking about the the box and the Phantom Ranch area. Obviously, we don't think it's gonna it's gonna get that far.
Brian:It would be tough for it to get through the box because the box is so narrow. However, if it comes from above, I don't know. But, you know, we've heard throughout the the entire life of this fire so far that it's done the unexpected. Right? This was a essentially a lightning caused fire on July 4 that the Park Service decided to treat as a controlled burn, and it got out of control.
Brian:Nobody foresaw that that would happen, much less that it would burn down Grand Canyon Lodge, much less that it would be at 8,500 acres when it was at 10 acres when when they first knew about it, much less that it would spill over into on the North Kaibab and burn all the way down to Supai Tunnel. So who knows anymore? Right? I think it's right to be concerned and and to say that that that all options are on the table until until we we hear otherwise. But, man, it's it's scary.
Brian:There's so much uncertainty. I think everything's kinda moved beyond the lodge now for the moment because, and only because, this is an active active fire, and zero percent containment, you know, that's what it is. So I don't know what's gonna happen.
Zeena:It's okay. I mean, fire feels like deep personal loss. It's okay to grieve. It's okay to feel anger, confusion, sadness, all of it.
Brian:Are you calling me angry?
Zeena:A little bit. You charged us.
Brian:Don't if it's anger. It's a it's a lot it's a lot of it's a lot of emotions. And that's why I'm glad you're here because you can bring a little perspective and a little feminine touch to my over the top aggressive former news guy kind of vibes that I've given off these days. I'm sorry. Hardest heavy now.
Zeena:I know how hard it's heavy. It's okay. But just remember that fire has always been part of the canyon story.
Brian:Yeah. It has. It's always been part of nature's story. Right? It's natural, but it's it's scary, and especially considering we don't know where this is gonna go.
Brian:There was there was a little bit of good news today. Did you see that that that map that NPS put out earlier?
Zeena:Yeah. They just released the map showing that many of the historic structures around the North Rim Lodge are saved.
Brian:Yeah. That was that was actually surprising to see. They put out a map, and I I hope you'll go look at it. It's it's on our Hike in Grand Canyon Facebook page and in our Hike in Grand Canyon, Grand Canyon Hiker Dude Show Facebook group. I hope you'll go check it out because it's led to some pretty spirited and and actually fun kind of conversation today through all this because they put out a map that shows all the area around Grand Canyon Lodge and all of the individual cabins, and it shows which ones were lost.
Brian:Most of them were lost. However, there are some that were untouched. And the motel, the two motel buildings that I've done the canyon shuffle to many times, so after going down and checking in at at the lodge, and then I it's so far away from the lodge, I get get you know, you just finish rim terrain, you gotta shuffle on down there. I've done that plenty of times. Both of those buildings were saved, which is really great to hear.
Brian:A lot of the historic cabins, the Western Cabins, the Pioneer Cabins, the updated cabins, the nicer ones, I guess you could say, those a a lot of those are a lot of those are okay. The fancy ones, the expensive And it's funny. The
Zeena:rocking chair.
Brian:With the rocking chairs and the porches, and some of them got the canyon views. And it's funny because I didn't know some things come out during official events like this that are they kinda make you laugh. And it's funny because all the cabins that we always stay in because I'm a cheapskate. Right? Even though they're not necessarily they're not necessarily cheap, but NPS designates those, as we saw on this map, as budget cabins.
Zeena:The budget cabins.
Brian:The cabins.
Zeena:They're definitely budget cabins.
Brian:Yeah. Let's just say that that they might need a little updating. And and might need a might need a need some help getting rid of some of the visitors that like to visit you inside those those cabins with four legs and tails. Anyway, everybody's just kinda laughing about that today, and people are posting pictures of the cabins that they stayed in and trying to match it up on the map to see if they're still there. So, you know what?
Brian:That's that's nice to see in a in a situation like this when everything feels so dire. I mean, there has to be there has to be levity. Right?
Zeena:Absolutely.
Brian:And I'm gonna say I'm gonna say it. I'm gonna say it right now. When they build back, Internet. Come on. We need Internet when we decide to build this thing back.
Brian:Is it too soon? Is it too soon? Nope. Nope. Okay.
Brian:Again, levity in in all cases, but I have been saying forever that the one thing that I am not a fan of on the North Rim is the fact that there's no Internet. I know a lot of people out there think that's one of the charms, and and that's cool. Good for you. Good on you. But, you know, you could not use it if you if you think it's one of the charms, and and Internet's available.
Brian:To me, I I need to be connected. I it's a work thing. It's just a it's just the way life is in 2025. I feel like you need to be connected. And so I hope that when the North Rim rebuilds and the Lodge is rebuilt, that Internet is part of that.
Brian:Okay. Why did we get off off the beaten path with with this right now? We're talking about Internet. Maybe it was deep down inside me, and I felt like I I just was gonna take the opportunity to to say something. Yeah.
Brian:But also, you know, we're picking up in the group. There's a in our hike in Grand Canyon Facebook group, and a lot of people were getting ready for their rim to rims, and those are now gonna be impossible. So have you seen that too? A lot of just a lot of sadness out there.
Zeena:Well, yeah. I mean, for a lot of people, it was their once in a lifetime trip. Maybe they were planning to return to the canyon, but it's kinda like losing a piece of your heart. You know? Something that you've trained, planned for, dreamed for.
Zeena:It's not just a change in schedule. So, I mean, there's no shame in that grief.
Brian:No. No. And we've seen that. And and listen, I hope you'll all post in our group. And if you're sad about about losing the ability to do this hike, and you think that, you know, it's too soon, and you don't wanna worry about yourself, and there are bigger things that the canyon has to worry about, of course.
Brian:But we listen. We know how affected you are by by losing the opportunity to do something that you've prepared for for years and trained for for the last, you know, several months to a year and beyond, and you've done, you know, all the work and all the hikes, and then suddenly suddenly, it's it's taken away from you. That's brutal. You know, that's tough, and and we understand that. And I've had a lot of people reaching out to me personally.
Brian:And by the way, you're all welcome to do that. Send me a message on send me a direct message on on Facebook, on Messenger. I will respond to you. I I promise. I will help you.
Brian:I will help anyone out there. But I'm just trying to encourage everyone that, you know, if you've already got the plans, the North Rim's out, but don't cancel your plans. There are still iconic bucket list adventures that you can take part in from the South Rim. There's no shame in doing a a rim to river. You know?
Brian:Go down South Kaibab. See the most iconic views in the entire Grand Canyon. Oh my they're so spectacular. I talk about them all the time, as you know. Do South Kaibab.
Brian:Go down to Phantom Ranch. If it's after October 1, and hopefully the waterline project portion of the river trail is taken care of, and the river trail's open again so we can connect with Bright Angel, you could do a full rim to river after October 1. Let's hope. And that would be South Kaibab, Phantom Ranch, Bright Angel, and up and out. Sixteen, seventeen and a half miles.
Brian:You know? 17 and a half if you go all the way to Phantom, 16 and a half if you skip Phantom. But that's a big hike. That's not that much shorter than a rim to rim. If you've never done it before, if you've never hiked a canyon before and you're planning to do rim to rim for your first hike, use it as an opportunity.
Brian:Still come. We always talk about how difficult Grand Canyon hiking can be for those who have never done it before. It's a really tough thing to explain and prepare you for. You really have to experience the unique nature of it, which is the going downhill first before you go uphill. So come out here and use that as an opportunity.
Brian:Do a rim to river. See what that's like. Guess what? That's gonna make your rim to rim when you're eventually able to do it all the sweeter because you're gonna know what worked for you, what you need to work on. Right?
Brian:And eventually, the North Rim is gonna be open, and you can take everything that you've learned, and you can take the obsession with the canyon that you're still going to have just take over your your soul when you come to do any of these hikes. You're gonna have all that to fall back on and look back on, and suddenly your rim to rim is going to be that much more special when you are able to do it. When is that gonna be? When will rim to rim be a possibility? I know, you know, me and a lot of others are thinking about rim to rim to rim because we know the the North Rim is going to be closed, but typically, even when it's closed, you can still access the North Kaibab Trailhead.
Brian:You just have to get to it and then go back all the way back to the other side. There's no vehicular access up there, and there will not be for the rest of 2025. I don't know now. You know, with North Kaibab, we still I've not heard one eyewitness account of what the damage and destruction are like on North Kaibab. So it would appear that rim to rim to rim is certainly not gonna be an option for the rest of this year.
Brian:I mean, I I don't think. Maybe there'll be some miracle, and all the trails will be cleared off. And later this fall, we'll be able to to access it. But I highly doubt it based on the fire maps that I've seen. So even rim to rim to rim is probably gonna be out for 2025, and then we've gotta worry about the winter.
Brian:Right? We gotta worry about last year, we had a very a very light winter. There wasn't a lot of snow. The winter before, we didn't even open the trails up until, I think, it was July because there was so much damage because of the runoff. And that was in normal times.
Brian:Right? That was that was significant snowfall, but there was no fire burns and fire damage to to exacerbate the the runoff. This year, there's obviously going to be. So if they have a bad winter on the North Rim, and, I mean, who knows what kind of damage can be done to North Kaibab? That section between Supai Tunnel and Red Wall Bridge is just notorious for for rock slides and landslides, even even in the best of winters, even in normal winters.
Brian:So who knows what's gonna happen when it's got the fire damage to worry about and the runoff from that. And if you, you know, if you do put the snow, heavy snowpack on top of that, oh, man. All this to say, I don't know. You know? I don't know.
Brian:But if you are grieving the loss of your ability to do rim to rim, you know, we're here for you. And we just want to encourage you that, you know, eventually, you're gonna get a chance to do it. And if you have a trip planned out here, the South Rim is magic, you know. It's like the North Rim is. They're both they're both magic in their own ways.
Brian:But, you know, I would highly suggest that you still come out and you still figure out something to do in the canyon, especially if you're doing it when it's in the cooler months.
Zeena:Yeah. And in the meantime, let the Facebook community be your Canyon family. You know, we we love seeing all the nostalgia. Like, share your disappointment, your hopes for the future. So you're not alone in this.
Brian:No. No. And that's, you know, that's that's the entire point of why we do what we do and why we why we change the the name of the entire brand from Bright Angel Outfitters to Hikin, h I k I n, because it was so vitally important to us that we had something that reflected all of us. And so that's why Hikin was born, Hikin plus plus kinship. That's why it's h I k I n.
Brian:And it it's it's it's why we do what we do. So please, please share in the group, and, you know, we're we're there for you. And I know everyone else in the group is there for you as well. It's the it's the best Grand Canyon group that that there is. I have I just have no doubt about that.
Brian:Everyone cares about each other, and there's no negativity. We keep the politics out of it, and it's just positive, positive energy. And, you know, I would say just don't feel bad if you're, you know, you're thinking to yourself and maybe feeling guilty that you're worried about yourself right now because you lost your hike, and other people have lost their homes and and their livelihoods, and we've lost the lodge and and all that. But don't feel bad. You know?
Brian:We get it. This is a is a this is a rough time for everybody.
Zeena:Maybe the monsoons will come.
Brian:You know, I hope so. I hope so. Because I did see the forecast, and there was a 20% chance of storms later this afternoon up in the up in the Grand Canyon area. And, man, do I have never hoped for rain more than I I hope for rain now because, again, what is there to stop this thing?
Zeena:Well, it'll help the land rest and heal. Yeah. Begin again.
Brian:Well, it'd be nice to get to that nice to get to that point. We can worry about flash floods and things like that at another time. Let's get this fire out first. You know, and there's a lot of talk about how this thing was handled, right, from the beginning. I wanna talk about that just a little bit.
Brian:Have you seen that?
Zeena:A little bit.
Brian:Yeah. Some people are talking about obviously, we've got the calls from Arizona's governor. We've got the calls from Arizona's representatives in Congress who are all using this as an opportunity to say why was this allowed to happen. Because, again, it was a lightning caused natural fire on July 4. We first heard about it a week ago yesterday that it was 10 acres, and they were gonna let it run its course and do its work.
Brian:It was gonna be a, you know, a contained fire, essentially a controlled burn, and they were gonna let it take care of the underbrush and and all the things that fire is is used for and is good for. And then it just got obviously completely out of control. And I know it's it's gonna be so easy to rush to judgment and attack and get really, really nasty with those who made these decisions. But, you know, I was doing a lot of reading on this last night, and it's a very common thing. It's a very common tactic to use these natural opportunities to allow fires to become contained, controlled burns to do their job.
Brian:And there's no indication that, you know, there was any there was any negligence or that someone was acting with incompetence. I mean, it's not just one person making a decision like this to to let a fire burn. And it just really seems like it was a worst case scenario where they've done this before and, you know, you're able to contain it. You keep it away from structures. There's there's no threat to structures and and and infrastructure like that.
Brian:And then it just they they lost it. They lost it. And so at this moment, before we know the facts, you know, personally, I'm choosing to just to be empathetic because, listen, everyone associated with the National Park Service who worked at the Grand Canyon, This is their life. This is their livelihood. Do you really think that someone who made this decision is not regretting every second of their day right now?
Brian:Do you really think they're not in in significant pain and know that, you know, maybe they screwed up, and maybe they shouldn't have made this decision because hindsight is always twenty twenty? If they thought there was even a 1% chance that this would jump the lines and the winds would change, and suddenly they would have lost Grand Canyon Lodge, and they would have lost so much on the North Rim, and now the fire's down in the canyon. Whoever made those decisions is living a nightmare right now. And I feel like those days for accountability, I believe strongly in transparency and accountability. It's my, you know, it's a former news guy.
Brian:It's what I believe in pretty much nor more than anything. There'll be another day for that.
Zeena:But guess what? The canyon has always known how to survive. And I think right now, she's reminding us how strong she really is.
Brian:Canyon don't care.
Zeena:Mhmm.
Brian:Right? That's what we that's what we always say to the hikers. Canyon don't care. If you don't respect the canyon, if don't take the canyon seriously, the canyon is gonna win. And, you know, maybe to a certain extent, that's that's what happened here.
Brian:But, anyway, all is still the the regular closures that we talked about yesterday, South Kaibab Trail, Phantom Ranch, Bright Angel, below Havasupai Gardens, and, of course, North Kaibab all closed. Still a lot of smoke, heavy smoke in the in the corridor region. That's why Phantom Ranch remains closed. All the corridor campgrounds remained remained closed. Cottonwood, Bright Angel, and Havasupai Gardens.
Brian:So this is I I can't remember a more volatile time in the in the canyon's history just with the closures I just talked about right there. Then you've got the waterline project on top of that. You've got the river, the river trail closure. I know that the river trips are still happening. You know, there's a river exchanges done at the bottom in the Phantom Ranch area at Pipe Creek at the at the river Rest House.
Brian:Those are still being allowed, so there are still people hiking up and down to either leave river trips or catch river trips. So that I know is still is still being allowed to happen. But you just talk about the volatility, and then on top of it all, we said this yesterday, it's July. And there's an extreme heat warning right now. So it's dry.
Brian:It's hot. So many of the trails are are closed. I feel for everyone who's working on the South Rim right now and dealing with with all of this, and still having to keep the park open, you know, and still having to deal with the with the summer summer visitors, the summer tourists who are who are here visiting one of the seven natural wonders of the world. So, you know, I feel I feel for a lot of people right now.
Zeena:We just gotta hope for the return of the rains.
Brian:Yep. We do. And it's coming. It's coming. It's monsoon season in Arizona.
Brian:We still haven't seen much, but surely it's about to happen, and and that that would be the most welcome news that we could possibly get. But we'll keep doing these, I mean, as long as as long as we need to. I feel like, you know, we're not gonna talk about hiking and training and rim to rim stories and tales from below and all that stuff right now. But I I do wanna mention I do wanna mention this, since since Zena is is sitting here. And this is this is not a shameless plug.
Brian:I truly I truly believe this. I am not a person who is into meditating and and things like that, and that's Zena's entire world, so it's kind of a miracle that we're married. Right?
Zeena:No. It's divine.
Brian:Okay. But Zena did launch a podcast recently called Sacred Steps, and it's meant for all of you. It's meant for everyone in our Grand Canyon hiking community. They are hiking and movement meditations. And, man, they are something to really fall back on right now.
Brian:You've only released three of them. The last one you did was on the meaning of the word kaibab, which is
Zeena:Very significant.
Brian:Upside down mountain. And and listening to these and listening to your voice, I feel like I I feel like that's just, I don't know, it's like comfort food for your soul listening to to what you're doing right now. So I hope you're gonna keep doing them.
Zeena:I will. Every Sunday.
Brian:What do you got coming up next, do you think?
Zeena:Well, I think it's very important to talk about the fire. Yeah. I'd like to tell the story of the Grand Canyon fire.
Brian:Yeah. Already. Mhmm. So we say too soon. Not too soon?
Zeena:No. It's not too soon. It's happening.
Brian:Well, I can't argue argue with you when you're looking at me like that. Oh, the husband and wife team. Oh, boy. Those meditations, I do hope you'll check it out. It's called Sacred Steps Meditation in Motion by Zena Special, and and and they're they're they're really spectacular, and they've been extremely popular.
Brian:And I think that both of us have been kind of blown away with face. Yeah. Kind of blown away with the reaction because it's not, you know, what we typically do here on the Grand Canyon Hiker Dude show where we talk about, you know, training and packing and rim to rim stories and death and destruction and disaster. And
Zeena:it was the right audience.
Brian:Yeah. But it is. Because it turns out people are looking for that. Yeah. It turns out people are looking for that.
Brian:So yeah. So these these are really special. There's three episodes, and I hope you'll I hope you'll go listen to them, because she's done a great job on them. And and I think there's there again, comfort food for the soul, something that we could all use right now to just kinda set our minds at ease, and it is something that's related to to the Grand Canyon. So, proud of you.
Brian:I hope you keep doing them.
Zeena:Thank you. It comes from my heart.
Brian:Yeah. I I it's obvious that it that it does. And honestly, what we do, it all comes. It all comes from the heart. This is this is a labor of love, and we'll keep bringing you these podcasts and these updates as long as you want us to.
Brian:You know, I was wondering yesterday if there would be one to talk about today, and then sure enough, I wake up and, you know, it's 05:30 in the morning, and I'm just sitting there reading everything that's happened, and, oh my gosh, it just never stops. And that's okay, because again, there's a responsibility here. I wanna make sure that everyone is as informed as they can be, because I do continue to say that we're not being told everything that it's not we're not being told everything that I think we should be told.
Zeena:We're filling in the gap.
Brian:At least not forth with enough forthrightfulness. I don't even know if that's a word, but you know what you know what I'm saying? Yeah. There's a lot of reading between the lines and a lot of deciphering what's being told and a lot of knowledge that I have of the corridor trails in the area that's being applied to the stuff that I am taking and reporting that you're probably not gonna find elsewhere. So I take that very, very seriously.
Brian:I wanna make sure that I get it right and pass along good information to everyone, and that will that will continue. So that's it for now. Got anything else?
Zeena:No. Thank you.
Brian:Alright. Thank you, everyone. We will probably be back tomorrow. And, also, if there's anyone out there who is affected by these fires who would like to to talk about it, you know, we'd we'd love to have you on the show and and hear your stories and and your perspective. That's really important as well.
Brian:Oh, one one last thing. We are working on a T shirt, and we decided to use because Bridey, the famous Grand Canyon mule donkey mule. I don't remember. Was Bridey a mule or a donkey? Oh.
Brian:Someone out there is yelling the answer. I can't hear you. But, anyway, Bridey is a legendary figure in Grand Canyon lore. There was the statue that sat in Grand Canyon Lodge in the great room, the sunroom. So many people have posted pictures with it.
Brian:And I think that that question has been asked more than any other, is what happened to Bridey? Is Bridey okay? And we still don't know the answer.
Zeena:No. We still don't know answer. Shirt.
Brian:But we're gonna put Bridey on the shirt, and it's gonna be we we've got it out there right now. Is it gonna be is it gonna be North Rim Strong, North Rim Together, North Rim Rises? You know, I don't know. We put the poll out there, and we're gonna let you decide, and then we're gonna make these shirts up, and we're gonna donate everything to proper causes to support the people who've been affected by this fire. But that's it for us right now.
Brian:We will probably be back tomorrow and in the days ahead, so stay tuned for that. This is the Grand Canyon Hiker Dude show powered by hiking. Hiking plus kinship. That is hiking. We'll see you next time.
Brian:Thanks, everybody. Thank you.