Lunch with the Clydesdale - Metfix Responds with a Deluge of Texts and Videos

Every day with take a step back from our busy work day to take a breath and hang out with friends and talk about the world of Sports, Entertainment and specifically the World of CrossFit.  Today we dive into why I do this show after Sevan's Comments this morning. We talk about the fall out from Hiller's reel from yesterday.  Then we talk a little about Social Media etiquette.  Plus whatever else we want to talk about.

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what is going on everybody

welcome to lunch time a

little break from the work

day come hang out with my

friends so good to see

everybody in the chat today

what's going on train to

live jody denise lito craig

good to see every single

one of you here today uh

gonna do a quick dart throw

Oh, my gosh.

Oh, I'm getting worse.

I'm getting worse.

What's up, Jose?

I know this is a little inside baseball.

You guys probably don't even care.

I am always playing with the

mic in front of my face, right?

And there's all these things

that I can twist and turn

to tighten my mic.

For months,

this mic has been loose and

it's been kind of like

bopping a little bit to the

left and to the right.

And I'm tightening all these

things and I can't get it

to get towards where I want it.

And finally, I come down today,

getting set up,

and I look and I see that there's this

There's a screw inside here

that I need an Allen wrench for.

And, um,

and so I had the Allen wrench on

my desk from putting everything together,

um,

tightened it up and now it is awesome.

It's not moving at all at all.

It is.

So I'm going to try to not

play with the mic.

I'm going to try to leave it alone.

Um, but I'm super, super excited.

but I got that fixed finally

after months I know it's a

little thing you guys

probably don't care but it

makes me happy um um jenny

lynn a plus for consistent

lunch shows with the dart

throw uh well thank you for

that uh the actual throw uh not so much

Judy Reed, we care.

It's just something small and it makes,

man, that made me happy today.

The other thing that made me

happy is I told you guys yesterday,

we have these eight hour

meetings for yesterday, today,

and tomorrow.

And today we started to meet

and realized that we

couldn't go any further

because the people who

asked for the meeting didn't

Didn't have all their ducks in a row.

So it got canceled for the

rest of the day.

And that was amazing.

That I did not have to sit

through an eight-hour

meeting today made me even

more happy than getting

this thing tightened.

But Lito, I am totally with you.

We don't judge Scott.

I'm happy when I find

matching plates at the gym.

Yeah,

it makes me feel weird if I had...

And CrossFit Polaris...

love them to death, but it's,

they have so much equipment and they're,

they have it set up where

you kind of have like a

lane and at the end,

each lane you have most of

the equipment you'll need for the day.

And there are tons and tons of plates.

And they're just kind of

thrown in the middle of the rig.

And it's really hard to find

two matching plates.

And it would make me feel so

much happier when I could

actually find plates that matched.

I know they both say fifteen pounds,

but when they look different, you're like,

but are they?

You know, who knows?

Um...

Denise fixed her front door

by tightening some screws.

See?

Everybody's getting happy.

Everybody's getting happy.

So I'm listening to Siobhan

this morning and Denise said this.

Scott got nice kudos from

Siobhan this morning.

And I did.

It was really odd to hear.

He said that he's become

addicted to this show.

And when he's out in his

yard with his fruit trees

and all of that kind of stuff.

And it's weird for me to hear this.

And he didn't know if the

show was good or if he just

thought the situation he

was in was good and made him happy.

And maybe it was both and

maybe it was one.

But it's funny because

that's how I feel about this show.

Um,

it's one of my favorite things to do

now during the day.

But to be honest with you guys,

like the reason I started

doing this had no bearing

on trying to get people to

listen or to hang out.

It was that I was jealous of

other people who could jump

on in a moment's notice if

news broke and just talk into the camera.

I am great when I have other

people on here with me.

I think that is where I'm better,

asking questions, telling stories,

bouncing things back and forth.

But to sit here and look

into a camera and just talk

to you all was something that was very,

very uncomfortable for me.

So the reason I started this show,

it was solely,

solely to get more

comfortable sitting here in

front of a camera talking to you.

And that is... That's why I did it.

I did it so that I would be

able to jump on at a

moment's notice if news

broke in the CrossFit space

and come on here and talk to people.

I work from home.

My podcast studio is in my basement.

I can run down here quickly.

Everything is set up.

I just have to turn it all

on when I come down here.

And...

And so that's why I started.

I didn't think many people

would listen to me at lunch.

I didn't think that this

would be a time where

people would come in and hang out.

I just was doing it for practice,

getting reps in so that I

could do those types of things.

And what it's turned out to

be is something bigger than that.

The audience that this is

pulling in is much bigger

than I ever thought it would be.

I thought I'd have ten or

twelve people on here,

and I've got twenty-two

people live in here right now.

Um,

the last few weeks been pulling in a

couple hundred views a day,

which is blowing my mind

because there's never an agenda to this,

this lunch.

It is, I wake up in the morning.

I kind of see what's been happening.

I write down some notes on a little tablet,

um,

basically just like this of things

that I want to talk about.

And, and that's what I do.

I don't even set up the show

until the morning because I

don't even know what to

make of the rundown because

I don't know what I'm going

to talk about until the day of the show.

And I know like when Corey

comes on on Wednesdays,

he kind of makes fun of me

because I never have the

show ready and the link

ready for him because I

never know what we're going

to talk about.

So Jay Birch, we're here to talk to you.

Denise, I'm addicted,

but I'm usually at work.

Nine fifteen here.

I train to live now.

I have something to look

forward to during the day besides gym.

Denise, every rep counts.

It does.

Judy Reed,

I love it when I join and see my

husband in here, too.

You guys need to meet up somewhere.

uh by the way how the fire

alarm day workout did the

trucks come to put out your

wife's lunch uh the we

actually got a hold of the

fire department before they

came uh but that is

actually odd they've been

here several times um and

then I try to meet them at

the street so they don't

pull up and have to do a

bunch of things um but they

did not come that day thank goodness

Jose, even though it's not my lunch,

I still watch it.

And Corey says,

he never knows what we're

going to talk about, but God,

we have fun.

We do.

And you engage a lot with the viewers too.

Yeah, that's kind of what this is about.

It's truly in my head.

It's hanging out with my

friends to take a break

from my work day to just kind of

Empty the cabinet space, start fresh,

and go back to the rest of the afternoon.

And I love that.

So, yeah,

I was really surprised to hear

that said this morning.

Very flattered by that.

And really, I just wanted to be...

I just wanted to be more

like Sivan in that aspect.

I love the fact he can jump

on and just talk into a camera.

And that's what I was trying to do.

I was trying to do reps to

make it so that was

possible and not need

someone else here to talk

to directly if news broke

or anything like that.

So that's what it's for.

And it's turned into way more than that.

And I am so appreciative of

each and every one of you.

to every one of you who come

here hang out have comments

um and speak your mind

because that's that's

what's cool uh trying to

live I'm so sad when

there's no scott on

saturdays but I know you need a life too

Yeah,

Saturdays have kind of just become a

family day.

And then we Sunday like.

So this is my Saturday

morning is I get up before

everybody else in the in

the in Saturday morning and

I work on the show for Sunday night.

I build the rundown.

I build the thumbnail.

I get all the notes together

for everybody.

I make a Google document

that everybody can share.

And then that's set up for Sunday.

And then the whole weekend

is really a lot of news

breaks for some reason on the weekend.

It's

Editing, moving,

shaping the rundown for the

following Sunday show.

And that's what my Saturdays are.

That show takes way more

work than this one.

This one is just jot down

some notes on a notepad, come down,

let's talk.

So enough about me and this show.

I'm just very appreciative

that you are all here and

love the fact that we get

to chat and talk and I get

a break from my day.

Terry, new listener, thank you for coming.

I hope you enjoy the show.

I want to talk about quickly

some Metfix stuff.

I know that's shocking to everybody.

Sunday night we had a brief

discussion about it.

Yesterday we talked about it

more in Athena's article

from yesterday or from a

couple days before and how

it kind of straightened me out.

There's more about Athena

that's in this story that

came out this morning.

It was,

I think it's in Morning Chalk Up again.

She writes a story where she

was offered a lot of money

to not say the name

CrossFit and to come on

board to promote Metfix.

In the comments of her post on Instagram,

there's a lot of back and

forth between her and Emily

Kaplan talking about what

the truth was in that conversation.

I've been a friend with

Athena for a very long time.

I am going to side with my friend.

I have a bias there.

I will admit that.

And for the moment,

that's where my allegiance lies.

And the reason that I'm even

stronger about that is, um, yesterday,

Andrew Hiller took some

things I said on Sunday night,

clip them together with

some things that I said

yesterday and made an IgE video.

And I'm going to show that

to you briefly just for context.

So here is the IgE video.

that Andrew Hiller made.

If you guys... Have you seen

a single piece of content

posted on Metfix's page

that isn't stripped from

Savant's podcast?

I have not.

Because I looked a lot.

I just wish Greg would say

his true feelings about what it is.

And say, like,

I believe in the broken science.

That is where I'm at.

That is what my...

My passion is to fight

against the evils that are

out there in the world

trying to give bad science.

That's what his passion is.

I don't think he wants to

get nitty gritty about this.

And I wish he'd just say it.

So that was put out yesterday.

And...

and so I I was kind of

surprised by it because I

wasn't tagged in it um I

didn't know andrew was

gonna do that um I actually

corey sent it to me that's

how I figured out that it

was even out there um but

it's cool to be the morgan

freeman or the james earl

jones narrating a hiller video uh

that would be a dream of

mine to be that narrator of

really cool content.

So that was cool.

And I shared it to my story.

I thought it was a very well

done video after the things

that we've talked about.

But in all honesty,

all reels are kind of a

reduction of a full

conversation that we've had

on two separate shows.

So part was clipped from Sunday night show,

part was clipped from yesterday's show,

kind of pieced together to

make this reel.

I posted to my story.

Didn't think much of it.

Went on with my day.

Last night, it's about... Yeah, Corey.

I'm sure that's what everybody's thinking.

Scott Smooth, baritone,

narrating a Hiller reel.

Yeah.

So that... Didn't think anything of it.

Last night, I go to go to bed.

And...

All of a sudden,

my phone just starts blowing up.

And I'm going to share this.

And this comes from

my in this is my instagram

messenger and as you can

see up here at the top it

says metfix so this is from

the metfix account um on

instagram and I get this

video from broken science

and a message saying just

curious how you missed all

the clip calls of greg

talking to metfix affiliates

Do you think Greg should answer to Hiller?

A little confusing to hear you say this.

The entitlement is off the charts.

Greg is focused on our community,

speaking to affiliates,

speaking at our seminars,

inviting attendees of the

seminars to his house.

It's like people want to see

his time card.

So I've never met Emily.

The only person from Metfix

that I've even talked to is Pete Shaw.

And I have said, through the two shows,

I am very,

very confused as to what it is.

And I was trying to figure

out what the hell was going on.

And if you listen to the

full context of where those

clips were drawn from,

you would see that...

I was confused and I was

trying to figure it out and

when I asked pete shaw your

director of education he

said we like to keep it a

little bit confusing

because we want you to dig

in more and we want you to

find more still this is

just the beginning this is

just what the the initial

Intro to the conversation was last night.

And then I get this video, this video,

this video, this video, this video,

this video, this video, this video,

this video, this video, blah, blah, blah,

blah, blah.

and then finishes up with

not sure how you looked and

saw none of this but it's

offense to greg for people

to say he's not involved

medfix is a part of broken

science there is no

separation just as the

medical society the book

imprint and other efforts

are part of the work so I

went through I have not

gone through all these

videos I work a full-time

job during the day so I

didn't have time to go through everything

And the first three that

I've clicked on say nothing about Metfix.

It is all Greg talking about

broken science.

And what I said, even in that clip,

was if Greg's true passion

is broken science and

talking about where we've

gone wrong in science,

can you believe the science?

Does that make sense to you?

then that's fine.

I just wish he would clear it up himself.

That was all I was asking for.

He could get rid of all of

this drama if he came out and said,

I am Greg Glassman.

I believe in Metfix.

I believe in the people behind Metfix.

And I do believe they add

value to the ecosystem and

you should support them.

And if he said that,

all this drama would be wiped clean.

But he's not saying that.

And that's fine if that's... I guess,

but...

This is exactly what overcompensate much.

Oh, wow, that's a little over the top.

Seems like Metfix people are

getting super defensive.

Yeah,

why are you defending this so hard

over a clip that was put into a reel?

And all of a sudden,

you're coming at me like this,

and you come at me hard in

the first paragraph of the DM article.

And I had been working for a

week trying to understand what you do,

why you're different,

what you're trying to accomplish.

And the one person I talked to said,

we want to be confusing to

make you dig harder.

Well,

I'm a person who was over five

hundred pounds.

If you want me to dig harder for nutrition,

you've lost me already.

I'm gone.

I need someone to love on me

and bring me in,

not make it harder for me.

And what in the world has science,

talking about the science of everything,

done to help people lose weight?

You got to show me how.

Andrew Sten says,

he's probably funding it

and they are using his research,

et cetera,

but doubt he'll come out and

clearly say anything.

That's not his style, it seems.

It also seems like he has...

There are clips of him

saying nothing has changed

in twenty years for him.

It is the same thing.

And his passion is about...

And we don't have anybody

like him in the space.

His passion is about going

after big sugar.

It's about going after big soda.

It's about defending...

defending what is right and

what is real in getting

people up off the couch and

doing what they need to do

to fight morbid obesity.

And that's what worked for

me in two thousand eleven.

That's where that's what

worked for Athena in two

thousand fourteen or whenever that was.

It was getting up off the couch, moving,

going to a CrossFit gym,

getting loved on by that

affiliate community,

learning about nutrition

through your coaches,

using the teachings of Greg Glassman.

What didn't help me lose

weight was someone standing

at a whiteboard telling me

where all this came from

and what all this meant.

I get it.

It defends it.

It makes it true,

but it doesn't help me

directly lose weight.

And that's the part they're missing.

And I've gone now from

confused to after all of this stuff going,

I don't even care what

Mephix has to say anymore.

Come at me like this hard.

Why?

Who am I?

Eat less, move more,

no big science involved.

The barrage of videos and

DMs is going to backfire on Metfix.

Andrew said, people don't want hard.

Simple is good.

Doesn't mean it has to be easy,

but keeping it simple is

better than getting people involved.

Yes.

Nothing is easy in weight loss.

It is all hard.

Don't make accessing the

information hard on top of it.

The only thing that Pete

brought to the interview

that I did that was

different and new and

supposedly changed the

order of the fitness in a

hundred words was this

flexible metabolic flexibility.

That's what it was.

I know Cheryl did a show on

that this morning on this channel,

Cheryl Nassau.

Um,

I'm going to go watch that this

afternoon and see what she

has to say that, that, uh, to that.

Uh,

cause I'm anxious to find out what her

thoughts are on that.

There's a lot of conflicting

information as to whether

that metabolic flexibility

is a valid way to, to lose weight.

Um,

And you can actually see

people that show that what

they're using to prove it

are the things that Greg

Glassman has warned us

against in Broken Science.

And I think if that

continues to go down that direction,

Greg will have no choice

but to either remove

himself from that equation.

because it's not what he believes.

And the broken science part

is that the piece that he

doesn't believe in or does

believe in hard.

And it's going to be anxious

to see how that comes

together through this whole thing.

New subscriber here.

Do they go after Hiller?

They've been going after Hiller too,

but Hiller has been going back.

Like he's not backing down.

Corey Leonard, simple,

not easy is a thing that

MedFix doesn't seem to have

learned or leaned into.

That is correct.

But you can go to their Instagram.

I'm not showing you stuff

that you can't see.

You can go to their Instagram,

go down and watch some of

the Greg videos.

A majority of them are

ripped directly from a Savant podcast.

There are others that they

have definitely demonstrated to me,

have come from other things,

but the content in them is

not about Metfix.

It's about his broken science initiative.

It is about the things he

has been preaching in the

CrossFit space for many, many years.

Nothing in there is new and

different from what Greg

has been preaching.

And Andrew Hiller and

Taylor Self had been saying

that for weeks.

I was hardheaded and it took

me a little bit longer to see it.

But now it is obvious to me

that that is exactly what's going on.

Corey Leonard,

I would venture to say that

most people would

appreciate the science

broken down to them like

they're five years old.

I know I would.

I know I asked Pete to do

that in that interview.

I was losing you guys in the chat.

Jody was like, this is rough.

And she showed me she has PTSD still.

And I asked him to simplify it.

And he said,

the beauty of not simplifying

it is it forces people to

go look for more and learn

more on their own.

and that is not how you're

going to affect change in

the world let's make things

so confusing that people go

dig in themselves find the

research themselves and

they'll figure it out and

then they'll see that it's

the way to go there's no

guarantee they're going to

go in the right direction

You know how much BS is on

the internet that they're

going to have to sift

through and you're just

hoping that they find your science?

I don't know.

I knew coming into this show,

I was going to be cranky.

I knew it was going to be a

riffy type show.

It was going to be a riff.

So that's where we're at.

Aaron, you are so right.

There is so much BS out

there to sift through right now.

Train to live.

When it comes to nutrition,

most people won't deep dive and go look.

They will see what is easy

to find and digest.

Andrew Sten,

I already did undergrad and grad school.

I'm past the point of doing

tons and tons of research.

No time for that.

When here's the fact of the matter, right?

I start CrossFit, two thousand eleven,

five hundred pounds.

I lose two hundred and fifty pounds.

I get down to two fifty and

then I start getting into

these back injuries in two

thousand sixteen, two thousand seventeen,

two thousand eighteen.

And then I start diving for other answers,

like if I can't work out as hard,

what am I going to do?

And then I start like cross

bleeding all these

different nutrition things

and I get them all mixed up

in my head and I gain back

one hundred pounds.

Well, now what am I going to do?

And now I'm stuck.

And then I get into

depression and then it

compounds and then it gets worse.

I've been down the rabbit

hole of trying to figure it

out on my own.

I should have kept it simple.

I think that's the biggest

thing I have learned this

week is keep this shit simple.

Just do what you know is best.

And that's what I need.

And so if anything good that

has come out of this week

is keep this shit simple.

Move as much as you can.

I'm fifty five years old.

I can't move like I could

when I was forty.

I move as much as I can do

the best I can push myself

as hard as I can and then

eat what I know is good.

I know if what putting into

my body is going to fuel my

body and what is going to

make it feel like shit.

A clock.

I will never read another

journal article again.

Well, maybe if my life depends on it.

think there's some good

stuff in the journal I

think there's like the the

really early stuff the

really early stuff I think

is good but there's a lot

of stuff in there that's as

time went on that got

confusing um amanda fillers

people already want a quick

fix for a pill trying to

teach proper nutrition is

hard enough why make it

even more complicated

And COO one kiss.

That is keep it simple.

Stupid.

Clock.

I meant academic journals.

Okay, now I'm on board with you.

One hundred percent.

You got me.

Lito says, Scott, you should get E.C.

Sienkowski on the podcast.

No one better to simplify

nutrition than her, in my opinion.

I can see about that.

So, yeah,

I just wanted to share with you

my last twenty four hours,

all from being the Morgan

Freeman of a Hiller video.

I am now being.

Hit by Metfix from all

angles with about whatever that was,

twenty seven videos of Greg.

I think at some point.

I'll go look and see if any

of these talk about med fix

out of his mouth.

So what, what is here is like,

and I'll just show this one

little piece and then I'll, I'll get off,

get off of this.

So like they shared this post,

which actually comes from

the broken science initiative, IG,

not the med fix.

So

What you have here is a quote from Greg.

The deal is this.

These are dependent

variables of lifestyle choices,

and we've identified that sedentarism,

too much time on the couch,

and excessive consumption

of refined carbohydrates.

Okay, that is the quote from Greg.

We've heard him say that a million times.

I will tell you that is Greg speaking.

But then they add around

this a Metfix logo.

They add in Greg Glassman,

twenty twenty four on the

failure of public health

and the metabolic fix.

Yes, it is the fix to fix your metabolism,

the metabolic fix,

but metabolic fix and

Metfix are not the same thing.

I'm telling you,

you cannot find things

where he actually names Metfix.

I'm sure there are a few out

there because I'm sure when I say this,

they're going to find them

and they're going to send them to me.

But when I looked at the first three, four,

five of these that came,

none of them mentioned Metfix.

They were all stuff talking

about his broken science thoughts.

Denise Moore.

Wow.

Scott,

you've had some highs and lows in

the last twenty four hours.

You're amazing.

And we love your efforts to

bring us the truth.

I'm just I'm just sharing my life.

That's what I'm not here is

like a truth teller or that

I'm any better than anybody else.

I'm just sharing with you

what I'm going through in my life.

And that's all I know how to do.

But that's that's just an example.

But maybe tomorrow, when Corey's on,

I'll pull up a couple of the videos.

I'll tag a couple of them to find out.

And I'll try to go through

as many of them as I can to

see if any of them actually

talk about Metfix.

And then I will have you

with a hundred percent

certainty whether this is or isn't.

Jay Birch coming in with the big words.

It's really testing me out today.

All Greg wants to do is

write a course to teach

epistemology and nature of science.

I hope I said epistemology correctly.

Again, Jay Birch, science,

worst subject in high school.

Just saying.

Give me some math problems,

I'll knock them out of the park.

Okay, I did.

I said it right.

I feel better now.

All right.

So my last riff of the day is,

I don't know if you guys have seen this,

but we had another drug failing.

And that drug failing was...

Jack Monahan from the Torian

pro tested positive for, uh,

all this stuff down here.

Uh, three, a hydroxy to a methyl five,

a understand.

A metabolite of Drosten Drosten alone,

but none of that's important.

Um, what's important is, um, down here,

it says it's the same thing

that Phil tune tested for.

I don't know if you guys can

see that right there.

Phil Toon is one of the

athletes who tested for the same thing.

And so on the barbell spin,

and this is all from the barbell spin,

please go check them out.

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So on their Instagram,

I was there and I made a joke.

I made a joke that this guy

couldn't possibly,

and I need to pull this up one more time.

Cause I got it.

Okay.

I made a joke.

Is there a picture of him?

There's not a pic.

Come on.

Maybe it's back at a page.

So right there is the guy, right?

Look at that.

The luscious lock of hair or

luscious head of hair.

When Phil Toon tested

positive for this drug,

his excuse was that it was

there to help him with hair loss.

And I just made the comment

that this guy must not be

on the same thing Phil Toon

is because he has a full head of hair.

And I did not tag Phil Toon in my comment.

And I got hit up by the

internet police who feel

like it's their

responsibility to make sure

everything is done in a

fair and equitable way.

What's funny is the person

that hit me up is in the CrossFit space.

I don't know who they are.

They claim to be a media person.

And all they do are grab

other people's Instagram

posts and share them.

They don't post anything of

their own ever.

And I said it was a slight oversight.

I know Phil Toon.

I've talked to Phil a ton of times.

I've interviewed him on this show.

phil has a great sense of

humor over this whole thing

and he actually came back

with a response that was

that he laughed at and he

says he doesn't have any

hair anymore and with a big

laughing emoji right why do

people feel like they have

to be the internet police

like oh my god you didn't

tag phil toon in this shade

that you threw at him

My God,

Phil Toon's been thrown so much shade.

That little joke that I was

telling was so minor.

Are you freaking kidding me?

How about get a life?

Just ridiculous.

Trying to live.

People are such babies.

Scott making enemies in the IG comments.

Yeah, that's me.

So Barbell Spence's Halpin

is the copyright police of IG.

This time it wasn't Halpin.

This time it was somebody else.

The one thing I will say for

Halpin as opposed to this

person is Halpin actually

produces his own content at times.

This person never produces

his own content.

He just screen grabs

everybody else's stuff and

shares it like his own.

But

That was something that

really got me in a pissy

mood yesterday because it was just a joke,

man.

Come on.

Why are we so sensitive these days?

Phil Toon had to know when

he said that the damn drugs

were to help him with hair

loss that he was going to

get ridiculed for that for

the rest of his life.

What a freaking joke.

Anyway.

And Phil laughs about it to this day.

Like, Phil gets it.

He screwed up.

I'll say the people in the

chat are pretty much dead on.

I'm not going to pull it up,

but you guys are dead on.

so anyway with that guys

it's been a fun quick forty

minutes um glad you guys

are with us every each and

every day uh it's so much

fun doing this and getting

away from the work day just

for a quick hour lunch hour

and clear the senses get

back on track and uh I'm so

glad you're all here love

you all but you

knuckleheads need to get

back to work and I do too

with that we'll see

everybody next time lunch

with the clydesdale