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Mary Meyer [0:05]: Hi, everybody. Welcome back to Healthy, Happy, Wise, Wealthy. I have with us today, I'm so excited, Linden Thorp, uh, who embodiment and signal literacy is what you have on your thing there.
Mary Meyer [0:30]: But you work with... You've worked with students, you're working with CEOs, and you bring a connection of embodiment with leadership, with an understanding of stress, anxiety, and also an understanding of things like body, the body language, you know, of, of non-verbals and even the voice and how that connects.
Mary Meyer [0:53]: So it is fascinating to me.
Linden Thorp [0:55]: I've perfected, in my many years of practicing this, uh, being able to tell which part of the spine is perhaps in need of work from the voice. Because the spine is like a tuning fork, really-
Mary Meyer [1:13]: Interesting
Linden Thorp [1:13]: ... if it's used properly. Um, so if you're really using your spine in a good way, then your voice will have a head register, a chest register, a diaphragm register, and a lower body register, really four areas. Um, so I can hear straight away, wow, she's got problems with her low back.
Linden Thorp [1:39]: It's the bottom end of the spine. Oh, she's got a head problem. She's obsessed with the limited mind. She's speaking from her head. And of course, in singing work, when we're... Uh, I, I taught singing for a number of years. Um, when we teach singing, we talk about the head register, the chest register, uh, the abdomen register, and we can use those techniques in singing.
Linden Thorp [2:08]: So yeah, when somebody work- starts to work with me, I ask them for a two-minute audio recording of their voice, uh, saying nothing special, saying anything they like, and then I sit and I really meditate on it, and I can tell. I can tell where the weaknesses are.
Linden Thorp [2:28]: They might be in the throat, and so that's probably a head, neck, back problem, or they're the low back, or maybe the diaphragm, and that's a, a, a br- a breathing problem, you know? So the voice really, if it's working properly, will, um, overcome every other thing because it's what people listening to you receive in a non-verbal way.
Linden Thorp [3:00]: We don't, um, we don't make pronouncements about voices usually.
Linden Thorp [3:07]: Um, but we do get signals from the voice. And even if you're doing that unconsciously, and I teach people to be more conscious about those signals, but if you're doing it unconsciously, then, um, you are already reading that person before you've even begun to understand what they're saying.
Linden Thorp [3:31]: It's the quality of the voice, the register, the tone that you're reading, and either you feel really comfortable with this person's voice or you don't. And you know, that may turn, may, may mean you wi- you withdraw if it's not comfortable. If there's something-
Mary Meyer [3:49]: Yeah
Linden Thorp [3:50]: ... uh, not complete about it or insincere, we detect it. Body detects it long before the intellectual mind does, and long before meaning.
Mary Meyer [4:02]: That's so fascinating. Yeah, that's so fascinating. And I've done, you know, I've done, uh, you know, the music performance when I was younger, and then acting in the last decade, and then some public speaking. So I, I actually did a talk for business owners or people who need to give s- are giving speeches on, on getting rid of nerves 'cause, uh-
Mary Meyer [4:23]: And the, the thing that I, I was talking about was not embodiment. It was, um, being goofy as you practice so that you're not like-
Linden Thorp [4:30]: Oh
Mary Meyer [4:31]: ... which is, which is a way to just let it go. Like, all of a sudden, they're laughing.
Mary Meyer [4:35]: Once they're laughing, they are kind of... Once you're laughing and talking about it, it is more of an embodiment. So maybe, um-
Linden Thorp [4:41]: Yes
Mary Meyer [4:41]: ... inadvertently I was doing that with the-
Linden Thorp [4:44]: Yes, you were. Yes. Laughter is a great thing. Um, in fact, I'm, I'm giving a session on Friday on laughter.
Mary Meyer [4:53]: Oh.
Linden Thorp [4:53]: You may want to join us, Mary. Um-
Mary Meyer [4:56]: I'd love to. I'd love to
Linden Thorp [4:56]: ... I want... Every week I r- I run embodiment Q&A on LinkedIn and YouTube. Uh, and it's a, a free session.
Mary Meyer [5:04]: Great.
Linden Thorp [5:04]: And I'm at the moment going through all the non-verbal signals that, uh, we, we, uh, can receive, and writing a book as I go. So it's a kind of book in a blog, as it were. Um, and so this week, we're, we're focusing on laughter. So I -
Mary Meyer [5:22]: Oh, that's amazing
Linden Thorp [5:23]: ... I will invite you as you've brought it up because yes-
Mary Meyer [5:27]: I love that
Linden Thorp [5:27]: ... laughter is a tremendous way to release. Uh-
Linden Thorp [5:32]: Yes
Linden Thorp [5:32]: ... and it also encourages us to breathe from the diaphragm. If we laugh, we're usually laughing from the diaphragm.
Mary Meyer [5:41]: From the diaphragm.
Linden Thorp [5:42]: So you're-
Mary Meyer [5:42]: Yes, very true
Linden Thorp [5:43]: ... you'll feel it moving, you know, when you laugh, and you can see it-
Mary Meyer [5:47]: Yeah
Linden Thorp [5:48]: ... uh, under people's rib cages when they're laughing. There's a trembling there.
Mary Meyer [5:52]: Yeah.
Linden Thorp [5:52]: You know, so it's a brilliant way to release the diaphragm and-Yeah, a brilliant way to put people at their ease.
Mary Meyer [6:01]: Mm.
Linden Thorp [6:01]: I- it's, it's a great thing. Yeah.
Mary Meyer [6:04]: S- so out of curiosity, and you know, the embodiment when you're under, like, and you've had this because as a performer of course, so, and I think it absolutely translates to business leaders, uh, whether they're giving a speech or leading a meeting, is how when you have anxiety that you're in front of people, or this is your make or break moment, I mean, if you fail here, you don't get your dreams, whatever it is, like that kind of stress-
Linden Thorp [6:28]: Yeah
Mary Meyer [6:28]: ... or you don't get promoted, or you don't get hired, or you don't... What, how, how do you stay in your body and stay embodied with that kind of stress?
Linden Thorp [6:37]: Yeah. So high stakes, and there are high stakes. Yeah.
Linden Thorp [6:42]: Um, oh, well, there are many ways, but I think, I think it's important to say that, um, performing, um, performing is not the way to get into people's hearts, because their bodies will detect that you're not sincere, you're not present, you're, you've learned a script by heart.
Linden Thorp [7:08]: You've, um, you've kind of practiced with your colleagues, you know, many times.
Linden Thorp [7:15]: The, and there's no naturalness about it. There's no sincerity in it. So, uh, we see this quite a lot in movies. You know, somebody stands up with a script to make a speech, and they say, start to speak and say, "Oh no, I'm not gonna say that." And they put the script aside.
Mary Meyer [7:33]: Oh, that's true.
Linden Thorp [7:33]: "I'm just talking naturally." And those moments are so much better than the scripted talk. So I think working, uh, talking to groups, to audiences, takes practice to do it naturally. Um-
Linden Thorp [7:51]: ... and I learned this a long time ago as a performer. Um, you know, as a concert pianist, you walk out in front of the orchestra and thousands of faces are there waiting for you, and it, it could be the most terrifying thing you've ever experienced, you know?
Linden Thorp [8:09]: But, uh, through lots of training and through lots of, um, events and, and, and practice, um, I learnt that even the person sitting right at the back of the auditorium or at the back of the gods in the performance space, um, is, uh, my best friend, you know?
Mary Meyer [8:34]: Oh.
Linden Thorp [8:34]: People have come to hear me because they want to hear me.
Linden Thorp [8:39]: Of course, there may be some who want to criticize me and compare me and, you know, so on, with other performers. But mostly people are coming because they want to come. Um, and that at a very s- basic level is very reassuring feeling.
Linden Thorp [8:57]: You know? They paid money to come and listen to you.
Mary Meyer [9:00]: They did.
Linden Thorp [9:01]: You know?
Mary Meyer [9:02]: Yes. They wanted to be there.
Linden Thorp [9:04]: Um, yeah. So but then of course there are many other things that you learn, and one is to be very grounded.
Linden Thorp [9:12]: Uh, two is to realize that your interpretation of whatever you're saying or playing or w- in any sphere, um, is unique. It's unique. Um, one of the things I disliked about being in the classical professional world is the, uh, pressure to perform in a certain mold.
Linden Thorp [9:40]: So according to your teacher, uh, you know, who has been molded by their teacher, who was probably a great performer, um, then you're, you're kind of forced to interpret things in the way your teacher wants you to. Well, I was terrible rebel because I would not do it. So I fought against that all, all the time.
Mary Meyer [10:03]: That's probably why I like you.
Linden Thorp [10:03]: Got a very bad reputation. Thank you. I like you, too. And so yeah, a- another thing is, as I was playing, you know, I would be thinking, "N- no one can interpret this music like I can. No one." So I think very often in a situation where you're standing up to talk to people, if you have that notion, "Wow, I'm unique.
Linden Thorp [10:32]: I look unique. I have unique DNA. My ancestral lineage is unique to me.
Linden Thorp [10:40]: Uh, no one can do this like I can do it," if you have-
Linden Thorp [10:46]: Yeah
Linden Thorp [10:46]: ... that uniqueness in your heart, then, you know, these people really do need to listen to you because you are unique.
Mary Meyer [10:57]: Yes. I love that.
Linden Thorp [10:59]: Y- I mean, you, you may not have the credentials that other peoples ha- people have, you may not have the experience that other people have, but you can't get away from the fact that you are unique, and we all are.
Mary Meyer [11:13]: Yes.
Linden Thorp [11:14]: And so very often talking to people, I really feel that, and I kind of dwell on it a bit really, by telling my stories rather than, you know, the towing the line, the company line, the method line, whatever it is. I tell my stories.
Linden Thorp [11:33]: Um, and people love that. They love to hear, uh, your unique stories, I think.
Mary Meyer [11:40]: They do. That's so true. Well, I wanna ask you some business questions too. So you have a book called The Body Is the Business Plan. Yes?
Linden Thorp [11:51]: Yes. Yes.
Mary Meyer [11:52]: Did I say that right? The Body Is Your Business Plan, or The Body Is the Business Plan.
Linden Thorp [11:57]: No, no.
Mary Meyer [11:58]: And it's on Amazon.
Linden Thorp [12:00]: It's on Amazon, yes. Just a slight tweak in the title. Your Body Is Your Business Plan.
Mary Meyer [12:06]: Oh, Your Body Is Your Business Plan.
Linden Thorp [12:07]: Yeah.
Mary Meyer [12:08]: Okay.
Linden Thorp [12:09]: And, uh, you know, given what we said earlier about my, this word your is full of meaning because it's really talking to everybody, every unique being. So your body is your business plan. Um, yeah. Yes. Uh, this is, uh, I wrote it last year.
Linden Thorp [12:30]: It's a gateway book really, and the second book is the, uh, non-verbal communication book, which is a, a proper kind of tome, which is kind of halfway through now.
Linden Thorp [12:42]: Love it
Linden Thorp [12:42]: ... but the gateway book is great if you want to get in touch with my manifesto on embodiment, because it really is, in many ways, my manifesto. Um, it goes through the very basics of, um, you know, uh, your spirit, your human spirit, not a religious spirit.
Linden Thorp [13:03]: Uh, and don't worry, it's not about religion in any way, 'cause Buddhism, uh, although I'm this, as I mentioned earlier, I'm not religious at all. So, um, it goes through spiritual aspects of embodiment, the physical, um, the experiential.
Linden Thorp [13:23]: Uh, w- I offer lots of tips about how to, uh, bring yourself into alignment, and I suppose the underlying, uh, foundation of it all is that until we are aligned, truly aligned, in other words, our in- inside is the same as our outside, uh, there's no incongruity there.
Linden Thorp [13:53]: Until that happens, then you will always revert to the limited mind, and the limited mind will always be questioning you. How could you do that? Another, uh, client of mine was haunted for years by something her father said when she was six.
Linden Thorp [14:13]: She's now in her late 80s, and this suddenly came to light.
Linden Thorp [14:17]: Her father had said to her, "Who do you think you are?" When she was six years of age. "Who do you think you are?" And actually, she was a pianist, and she was a very promising child prodigy, and she was playing Beethoven.
Mary Meyer [14:33]: Okay.
Linden Thorp [14:33]: And she had said to her father, "I want to be Beethoven." You know, in a sort of six-year-old way. So father said, "Who do you think you are?"
Mary Meyer [14:44]: Mm.
Linden Thorp [14:45]: And those words stayed with her for seven decades, eight decades, and, uh, have haunted her and held her back so much. So yeah, we have to be so careful what we say, especially to children, you know, if we're parents.
Mary Meyer [15:03]: That's fabulous.
Linden Thorp [15:03]: I think we... And we're in charge of both discipline and love and, you know, f- making children fit into, uh, be, be accepted by their society or community. Finding a balance where we use language extremely responsibly-
Linden Thorp [15:25]: ... is so important, because that child will remember those words all its life, you know?
Mary Meyer [15:32]: Isn't that wonderful?
Linden Thorp [15:33]: And, um, so language, never underestimate the power of language. Um-
Mary Meyer [15:40]: Yeah
Linden Thorp [15:41]: ... and if it's used badly, it's bad power, and if it's used beautifully, it's beautiful power.
Mary Meyer [15:48]: Yes.
Linden Thorp [15:48]: Yeah.
Mary Meyer [15:48]: I totally believe that. So you have a program, it's Lodestone.
Mary Meyer [15:56]: L-O-D-E, Lodestone. Tell us what a lodestone is.
Mary Meyer [16:00]: I had a look at it.
Linden Thorp [16:01]: Okay.
Mary Meyer [16:02]: And I-
Linden Thorp [16:02]: Oh, I'd love to. Oh, good. Good, good. Uh, a lodestone, m- I'm sure you know, some of you, but, uh, a lodestone is the original compass.
Linden Thorp [16:12]: So before the mechanical compass was invented in the 18th century, I believe, um, how did people navigate the world? Well, you know, if they're in a sandstorm in a desert or in ocean fog, how do they navigate if they can't see stars and, uh, moon and so on? Well, very often they would use magnetic rock.
Linden Thorp [16:36]: Uh, it's a type of rock called magnetite. Um, I've actually got some. Uh, it-
Mary Meyer [16:43]: Yeah
Linden Thorp [16:43]: ... it's black rock, and, uh, if you put it in water, it always points to true north. If you mark a, mark a point on the stone, put it in water, it will always point true north. Now, that's the original compass, uh, which was a natural compass. Lodestone, my Lodestone, is, um, a 30-day program of guided audio.
Linden Thorp [17:12]: It's not video, it's audio only. And during that 30 days, for 30 minutes a day about, just under 30 minutes a day, I guide you through, down through all the layers of your social conditioning, your indoctrination, right down to meet your true nature.
Linden Thorp [17:36]: Um, and the daily practice repeats itself but is always slightly different. I work with three elements, uh, during that 30 days, which I repeat. First of all, the breath. Secondly, the spine. And thirdly, full body awareness.
Linden Thorp [17:57]: And by the way, you can contact me at all, all time during that 30 days. Um, that, uh, within the sanctuary where you get the audio files, there's a, a, a chat button. So I'm always there with you if you have questions. Um, but yeah, day 20, people often write to me, 19, 20, 21, they write to me and say, "Lynn-I know who I am.
Linden Thorp [18:22]: Suddenly, I've met myself. I know who I am under all this stuff
Mary Meyer [18:27]: Yeah
Linden Thorp [18:28]: And that is so wonderful. Um, and from then on, they, uh, start to live life in a really different way because they know who they are. Many of them make huge life changes. Uh-
Linden Thorp [18:45]: Yeah
Linden Thorp [18:45]: ... whatever they were doing, they stop it because it's not serving them, and they do something completely new which fulfills them and, um, means that they're being more authentic. Maybe it's a business online or some, some new pursuit in which they can be truly authentic and-
Linden Thorp [19:05]: ... congruent inside and outside. So it's, um, a very, uh, inexpensive lifetime license you can buy for Lodestone One, so you can go on repeating it and repeating it. Um-
Mary Meyer [19:22]: Yeah
Linden Thorp [19:22]: ... and y- I'm finding that people love it because they can do it when they want to do it.
Linden Thorp [19:28]: Um, they can see the progress. They can feel the shift inside.
Linden Thorp [19:36]: So very often people say, "Yeah, I can't put it into words, but I feel different." There's a shift.
Mary Meyer [19:42]: Yeah. There is a shift. There is a shift
Linden Thorp [19:43]: And of course, that, that's the body. That's the body shifting, which is so exciting when they tell me that because it's not this. It's not the limited analytical mind. It's the body that's responding. So, you know, I am talking to your body during those 30 days, um-
Mary Meyer [20:02]: Yeah
Linden Thorp [20:03]: ... and, uh, you know, guiding you to get down below all the conditioning so that you can live fully and happily. Yeah.
Mary Meyer [20:14]: I do feel like the gut has so much more. I've heard that the gut is the actual brain of the body. It has so many more receptors and that kind of thing, uh, in it.
Linden Thorp [20:23]: Yes.
Mary Meyer [20:25]: And it, um...
Mary Meyer [20:25]: Yes, it is. The gut-
Mary Meyer [20:25]: And sometimes you want to say no, but your bu- but your, um, your brain doesn't know why you're supposed to say no, but your gut's telling you to say no, or maybe vice versa
Linden Thorp [20:35]: Yeah
Mary Meyer [20:35]: And I have definitely-
Linden Thorp [20:36]: Yeah
Mary Meyer [20:36]: ... said yes to things because my brain couldn't come up with a reason why I needed to say no, but my gut was not in alignment with that. And it's-
Linden Thorp [20:44]: Yeah
Mary Meyer [20:44]: ... I've, you know, you, you regret it. You-
Linden Thorp [20:47]: Yeah
Mary Meyer [20:47]: ... flat out regret it. So.
Linden Thorp [20:49]: Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely.
Mary Meyer [20:52]: Yeah.
Linden Thorp [20:52]: So it's really interesting that we w- we kind of know these things if we-
Mary Meyer [20:59]: Right
Linden Thorp [21:00]: ... go int- inside. We know them. They are always there. The signals are always there. The system's always working, unless we're unfortunate to have an accident or an illness. But even dis-ease, I work a lot with dis-ease, disease, as we know, because dis-ease is just that.
Linden Thorp [21:22]: The body is not at ease with something-
Mary Meyer [21:26]: Yeah
Linden Thorp [21:26]: ... that's happening, and it's usually neglect. Yeah.
Mary Meyer [21:30]: Mm-hmm. Neglecting the body. Well, that kind of... 'Cause you also talk about, you know, once you find a purpose and you have a, a purpose-driven business or, you know, life goal or nom- whatever you're doing, that burnout-
Mary Meyer [21:45]: Mm
Mary Meyer [21:45]: ... that a lot of people experience anxiety and burnout anyway, even when they're doing things that they love to do. And I sa- that's been me, for sure, in more than one situation. So w- what's your, what's your thought on that? 'Cause you teach around that, too.
Linden Thorp [22:05]: Well, yeah. I, I think it's fabulous to do, to follow your heart and do what you really want to do and be able to do that because now we can because of the internet.
Linden Thorp [22:19]: Uh, we can because of, uh, the rise of personal economies and income streams and all of this. We can quit our 9:00 to 5:00 grind, um, if it really is grinding us away, um, and do something different. Um, but yes, I think what happens is, um...
Linden Thorp [22:41]: And this kind of happened to me during building my business. I, I didn't want to stop. I was loving it so much, and, uh, creating my assets and networking, and I just loved every aspect of it, that I didn't really want to stop.
Linden Thorp [23:00]: And of course, the longer you spend in front of a screen, uh, or scrolling a screen, uh, the more chance you have of burning out. And burn out, as you'll see if you read my book, people think it, there's a mysterious quality to it. But actually, what happens is it creeps up on us because-
Linden Thorp [23:24]: ... we're not receiving the signals from the body. So take an example of the vagus nerve. Um, this is the 10th cranial nerve. Comes from the brain down into the gut. You mentioned the gut a moment ago. Yes, and this is, this is why gut messages are often so, so right.
Linden Thorp [23:47]: Um, this nerve comes down the sides of the face, down into the chest, do- right down into the gut, down into each arm, and it is the main biofeedback nerve from the gut and the body to the brain, to the cerebral. Um, and if we live in a, a, an urban, overcrowded population, uh, in a city where there, there's hardly any nature or, and so on, then we don't have good tone in our vagus nerve.
Linden Thorp [24:24]: It's not working properly.
Mary Meyer [24:26]: Yeah.
Linden Thorp [24:27]: So-I work with the vagus nerve quite a lot.
Mary Meyer [24:31]: Okay.
Linden Thorp [24:31]: And, uh, in the Lodestone practice, uh, you will work on your toning up your vagus nerve. The best way to tone up your vagus nerve is to listen in the environment with your whole body. We think listening is just here close to the brain. That's another trickery of the limited mind.
Linden Thorp [24:53]: The whole body can receive vibrations. The sound is vibration. If you close your eyes, you can feel, uh, the vibrations of your nearby environment. Like I can s- I can feel my microphone hum. I can feel it.
Linden Thorp [25:14]: I can feel the, the breeze blowing the trees outside. I, I can feel the... my whole body. Um, and so vagus nerve tone, toning up, comes from that practice of, uh, whole body listening. And once we become comfortable with it, it's so useful because every situation we are in, we can use the whole body to receive all the signals from our audience, from our meeting, from our, you know, from our partner, wh- whatever it is.
Linden Thorp [25:54]: Um, and I... It's quite romantic in a way because I learnt how to do this in the South Australian desert with some Aborigines I was helping to take back to their traditional lands.
Linden Thorp [26:09]: This is 30 years ago now.
Mary Meyer [26:11]: Oh, wow.
Linden Thorp [26:12]: Um, they taught me so much. So much of what I do today is thanks to, to them. And one of the things I really witnessed out in the wilds of the South Australian desert is their ability to whole body listen. So what they do, walking along through this painfully hot desert, hottest place on the earth, and one tribal member will suddenly stop, stand on one leg, okay, which is what they do so beautifully, straighten the spine, drop the chin a little bit, and just cue in to the environment.
Linden Thorp [26:59]: They can detect, uh, danger or something unusual at 10-mile radius by using-
Mary Meyer [27:10]: That's amazing
Linden Thorp [27:10]: ... the whole body. And this happened to me three or four times-
Linden Thorp [27:14]: Amazing
Linden Thorp [27:14]: ... with them.
Mary Meyer [27:14]: That's amazing.
Linden Thorp [27:15]: So on one occasion, it was quite dramatic. This, uh, leader g- guy called Gus did this, so we knew there was something dangerous happening. No phones, no, no electronics of any kind in the deep desert. So he came out of his kind of trance and said, in a very worried way, "Right.
Linden Thorp [27:38]: Let's find shelter. There's a huge sandstorm coming." So we did. We, uh, moved over to the, some hills, and there was a cave there. So we got inside the cave. The most amazing sandstorm blew up, and it would have really, well, could have really threatened our lives. It was so strong, and so much, uh, sand would suffocate us-
Mary Meyer [28:03]: Wow
Linden Thorp [28:03]: ... you know, if we didn't have the right kind of shelter. Um-
Mary Meyer [28:06]: Wow
Linden Thorp [28:07]: ... so I've seen it in action. And so we can do it. We can revive this ancient skill which will tone up the vagus nerve and make us so much more aware of our-
Linden Thorp [28:21]: ... surroundings. Um, we talked about performing a moment ago. So yes, that would be the, the, uh, the third thing I would say. That if you are whole body aware while you're performing, then you're really going to pick up signals from your audience which will give you feedback and which will keep the connection going with your audience.
Linden Thorp [28:48]: And you can play to that. You can... You know, if somebody's smiling in the back row, you can ask them why they're smiling. You know, what did I say that made you smile? So you can really interact with your audience if you're whole body aware.
Mary Meyer [29:05]: Yes.
Linden Thorp [29:05]: Um, so we can get lots of signals from other people when we're truly aware and our vagus nerve is in good shape.
Mary Meyer [29:15]: Yes.
Linden Thorp [29:15]: So yeah.
Mary Meyer [29:17]: Linden, I could ask you another probably, uh, 50 questions 'cause- ... uh, the stuff you're sharing is so fascinating, but I do want to let you get on to your rest of your birthday. So to, to kinda , to kinda close us out, uh, you know, how...
Mary Meyer [29:36]: If people are like, "This is fascinating, the thought of..." And even as I... 'Cause I know even as I'm listening to you, and I have, you know, I have tried to incorporate this stuff so many times, but I'm, I'm feeling like, yep, my knees are... I'm standing, so my knees start to lock.
Mary Meyer [29:54]: If I'm performing, your knees lock. Your... You get... Your shoulders go up. Your chin... You know, you get... Your, your spine goes out. Your spine just kinda, like, goes...
Mary Meyer [30:04]: You go, you know, like Or like this where you go out and you're s- you know, you're stretching your, your throat, and everything's...
Mary Meyer [30:11]: Your spine, like you say, is not in alignment, and the, you know, the... all of that gets all wonky.
Mary Meyer [30:18]: So how do people work with you?
Linden Thorp [30:20]: The best way to work with me, um, you can always find me on LinkedIn. That's my main platform. I don't really go to other platforms. I do write for Medium and Substack, so you'll find my essays and so on there, my articles. I also write for Brainz Magazine, uh, and I've got lots of things in other magazines.
Linden Thorp [30:41]: So, but, um-If you want to work with me, the best thing to do is DM me on LinkedIn.
Linden Thorp [30:50]: Um, and what we can do is arrange a call. Uh, I'll talk to you, and I'll, you know, see what you need or what, what you would like. And, uh, we can take it from there. So I'd, yes, love to talk to people. Um, I'm inundated with people wanting to talk to me, which is great, and then I suggest the next steps.
Linden Thorp [31:13]: Um, also I would like to invite everybody, all of your lovely guests, and of course you, Mary, too, to my live events because, uh, I run a live event nearly every day of the week, uh, on LinkedIn and YouTube, and I've been doing that now for the last seven or eight months.
Linden Thorp [31:35]: So for example, if you want to learn how to, um, you know, get away from the visual intellectual overwhelm, come down into your central core, you can join me on a Monday, Tuesday, and Thursday for Mindful Moments, and that's a 30-minute meditation session, which is basically Lodestone or beginning of Lodestone.
Linden Thorp [31:59]: Then on a Wednesday, I have, uh, Your Body Is Your Business Plan master class, and this is where I invite people to come and co-host with me, um, and share, share the studio and panel discuss. So I often have a number of people discussing a certain embodiment issue, all, all on, based on embodiment work.
Mary Meyer [32:23]: Okay.
Linden Thorp [32:23]: And then on Friday, I run Embodiment Q&A, which I mentioned before. This we're talking about after, which you may be interested in and how it can really help embodiment. And then on Saturday...
Linden Thorp [32:38]: Sunday. No, Saturday. English, um, Eastern Daylight Time, I, uh, run a session, Peace and Wealth, and I work with two other, um, people, Ebishia Lidiate Spiff, who is a self-love coach, and Dr. Marlene Greenleaf, who is, uh, an embodiment specialist.
Linden Thorp [33:01]: So we alternate, uh, we give tips and so on. So yeah, if you want to find out more about me before you get too far in , come and, um, try my events. Um, and you can spectate, or you can come and be my guest. I really encourage people to come and join me in the studio.
Linden Thorp [33:25]: Um-
Mary Meyer [33:26]: I love that
Linden Thorp [33:26]: ... and I can give you tips on embodiment to make you less nervous and so on. So yeah, it's all there on my profile if you want to check it out.
Linden Thorp [33:37]: But I think-
Linden Thorp [33:37]: Yes
Linden Thorp [33:37]: ... maybe the starting point is signing up for a quick chat, and then I can tell you more about Lodestone. I've also released this last month a pro- a new digital product called Embodied Compassion for Professionals, and this really is aimed at leaders, um, because compassion is greatly lacking in the workplace, uh, these days.
Linden Thorp [34:04]: And so this is a six-day program, and it will get you really into touch with self-compassion, which is where you really start connect with yourself. If we're self-compassionate and we don't abandon ourselves at the drop of a hat and defer to someone else and say, "Well, I'm not good enough," all the time, then, uh, how can we be compassionate, sincerely compassionate with other people?
Linden Thorp [34:33]: And that's where sacrifice creeps in, you know, this kind of unconscious sacrificing, which is so bad for our balance, body, spirit, and mind.
Linden Thorp [34:47]: Um, so yes, you might be interested in Embodied Compassion for Professionals. And these products are all about videos or audio. In this case, it's videos, six videos and a workbook, uh, and opportunity to talk to me during the process too. So-
Mary Meyer [35:04]: Yeah
Linden Thorp [35:04]: ... yeah, lots of things you can join.
Mary Meyer [35:07]: For sure. And if you guys just wanna d- do the Lodestone, it's lyndonthorpe.com. Is that correct?
Linden Thorp [35:14]: Yes. Lyndon-
Mary Meyer [35:15]: L-I-N-D-E-N T-H-O-R-P.com.
Linden Thorp [35:20]: Yep.
Mary Meyer [35:20]: And it's really reasonable.
Linden Thorp [35:21]: Yeah, no, no ooh. Yes. Yes, it's v- very, um... It's a lifetime license, but very reasonable price because I want everybody to be embodied, you know? So it's not just, I'm not here just to make money at all. Um, I'm here t- on a mission to make everybody step away from their limited mind-
Mary Meyer [35:45]: Yeah
Linden Thorp [35:45]: ... and reap the incredible benefits of that.
Mary Meyer [35:49]: Yes. Well, that sounds like a wonderful thing. I always think I've done work, and then I'm like, then I'm like, "You know, not enough. I have more to go," which is a -
Linden Thorp [35:59]: Well-
Mary Meyer [36:00]: ... a huge, a huge reason-
Linden Thorp [36:01]: I, uh-
Mary Meyer [36:01]: ... why I'm doing the podcast too, is like there is more wisdom out there than I think what I've heard, and probably better and, and this is true. There is more and better out there. Yeah.
Linden Thorp [36:12]: And I think you're right, but I think it's also maybe, um, maybe we should listen more to our hearts about work, and I don't use that word very much these days at all. I've kind of re-ed it to be creating. I'm creating, you know, rather than working.
Linden Thorp [36:35]: Um, yes, if we, if we talk about working with the body, it kind of takes on that, um, you know, proletarian work ethic thing. Um, whereas-Experience really is what the body thrives on.
Linden Thorp [36:56]: And as I described a little earlier, you know, the, those minute shifts inside you, um, which you can't put into words, but you know something is different. That's-
Mary Meyer [37:07]: Mm-hmm
Linden Thorp [37:08]: ... the body changing. That is the body, uh, breaking away from all of its restrictions and, uh, really communicating with you.
Mary Meyer [37:20]: Mm-hmm.
Linden Thorp [37:21]: So yeah, um, with embodiment, yeah, it's all about experience rather than work, I think.
Mary Meyer [37:31]: Yeah.
Mary Meyer [37:31]: I like that. That's a good, that's a good reframe. Actually.
Linden Thorp [37:36]: Maybe. Maybe it will help.
Mary Meyer [37:37]: I think, I think that was a good reframe, 'cause I'm just using the words that I, that I would have used for, you know. It is a, that's a gr-
Linden Thorp [37:44]: Well-
Mary Meyer [37:44]: I mean, and it's so much lighter, isn't it? It's just, uh, experience more being embodied versus work at it. Experience it.
Linden Thorp [37:51]: Absolutely.
Mary Meyer [37:52]: What a difference, what a difference.
Linden Thorp [37:53]: Yeah. Well-
Mary Meyer [37:53]: Just-
Linden Thorp [37:54]: Yeah
Mary Meyer [37:55]: ... you know-
Linden Thorp [37:55]: Yeah
Mary Meyer [37:55]: ... how that is.
Linden Thorp [37:57]: Yes. And that's the problem, that we, we, we, we just follow the patterns that w- uh, we've f- followed for years.
Linden Thorp [38:05]: But really, I'm a pattern breaker as well, and there are many other people out there doing pattern breaking. But I, I've devised my own methods rather than using a, a set structure, uh-
Mary Meyer [38:19]: Mm.
Linden Thorp [38:19]: But I am, um, building, um, some professional, uh, training into this, and I hope I can hand these, these methods over to, uh, younger people as I, uh, go into my dotage.
Linden Thorp [38:36]: Um-
Linden Thorp [38:37]: ... my legacy, uh-
Mary Meyer [38:39]: Yes
Linden Thorp [38:39]: ... is important to me. Um, so I am building a training program to get people to do what I do.
Linden Thorp [38:46]: Um, and also something really exciting, which I'll just mention. I know you've got to go, but, um, just quickly.
Mary Meyer [38:52]: Oh, I'm good.
Linden Thorp [38:54]: I... Okay.
Mary Meyer [38:55]: I, I was just thinking about y- I was thinking about your birthday, so that's what I'm thinking about.
Linden Thorp [38:58]: Well, the champagne is almost ready, and, and we're going to- ... put the glasses out, and we've got some friends here. We're gonna break a bottle in a minute.
Mary Meyer [39:07]: Good.
Linden Thorp [39:07]: Um, but this, this is really exciting, 'cause this happened only on Saturday.
Linden Thorp [39:12]: On Saturday, I did another podcast with, um, a very, um, ah, experienced and well-known Indian, uh, doctor, a medical doctor. Um, I've been involved with the menopause and perimenopause conversation for quite a few months now and using embodiment in those situations.
Linden Thorp [39:35]: She is a specialist, uh, on, uh, hormone replacement and so on, so she wanted to talk to me about how embodiment could happen. And it was so exciting, because, you know, most medical professionals are rather kind of guarded about their expertise.
Linden Thorp [39:54]: You know, they're rather totally invested in, uh, their methods or in their techniques or whatever. But she was so obviously, um, asking for help, because even as an experienced, highly qualified medical practitioner working daily in India, Northern India, um, she said, "Linda, I can't, I can't get my patients, uh, to accept treatment.
Linden Thorp [40:24]: I can, uh, have two patients with the same disease, same problem." She works with a lot of cancer, uh-
Mary Meyer [40:33]: Yeah
Linden Thorp [40:33]: ... you know, uh, reproduction cancer areas of cancer. "I have two people with the same condition. I use the same tried and tested treatment with them. One thrives, the other doesn't. Nobody can explain that. No research can go near explaining why that is the case, and I've really gone deeply into this research." And so she said, "What I want to do is I want you, as an embodiment specialist with your s- you know, specificity, to work with me.
Linden Thorp [41:13]: And I want to design programs for my patients that are both medically sound and embodimentally sound." So excited, uh, by that.
Mary Meyer [41:25]: Yes.
Linden Thorp [41:25]: And, um, you know, this is... I think many medical professionals are really struggling because people are not embodied and they're stuck in their limited mind. We still can't find a medical cure for burnout.
Linden Thorp [41:43]: You know, it's not recognized by medics at all.
Mary Meyer [41:48]: Mm.
Linden Thorp [41:48]: Um, they just treat symptoms, you know? But the embodiment work I do goes to the core, goes to the root of all these things, which is, in simple terms, this. This is the problem. This is what interferes-
Mary Meyer [42:06]: Yeah
Linden Thorp [42:06]: ... with what the body does naturally, and, uh, we're just not living naturally. And so treatments don't work, um, the way they used to. And, uh-
Mary Meyer [42:20]: Yeah. Well, yes.
Linden Thorp [42:21]: So this is really exciting.
Mary Meyer [42:23]: I always do that.
Linden Thorp [42:24]: Yeah.
Mary Meyer [42:25]: So much fun.
Linden Thorp [42:26]: I'm so excited. Um, and we're going to make a professional group, uh, for p- medical practitioners to come and join and learn about embodiment.
Linden Thorp [42:36]: I love that.
Mary Meyer [42:36]: That's fabulous. I've had a lot of, uh, doctors on the show, and, you know, it's... I, I have such a, a... So love doctors for their wisdom and not just-
Mary Meyer [42:49]: ... all those years of training that they had to put in to learn-
Mary Meyer [42:52]: ... about the human body.And so, and then I also have had ones on 'cause I, I really want to be, uh, nat- I don't want to do... If I, any way I can avoid drugs and surgery, I would. So I would choose first always a different path.
Mary Meyer [43:09]: And I have, when I've gone to medical doctors, often there is no other path. They're just they're offering, especially once you hit menopause- ... they're offering, uh, at least five drugs per, per visit that you h- you can... They're optional, but, like, how fun. Uh, it just almost feels like that. So I, I absolutely-
Linden Thorp [43:30]: Yeah
Mary Meyer [43:31]: ... adore doctors and anyone who is willing to go that extra mile to, to find-
Mary Meyer [43:36]: ... the ways of healing that-
Mary Meyer [43:39]: ... uh, have probably been with us for ever but we've forgotten.
Linden Thorp [43:45]: Yeah.
Mary Meyer [43:46]: Or we've been-
Linden Thorp [43:46]: Yes
Mary Meyer [43:47]: ... they've been unlearned. Uh, yeah.
Linden Thorp [43:50]: Yes.
Mary Meyer [43:50]: And also, you know, I've, uh, the community of, of people, this just keeps coming up in, in my mind, of people who have been through abuse because... And, and I have been.
Mary Meyer [44:02]: And so when that happens, embodiment is actually your enemy. Uh, if you can't get out of the abuse, you have to disassociate.
Mary Meyer [44:10]: And so like children who are in-
Linden Thorp [44:12]: Mm-hmm
Mary Meyer [44:12]: ... awful situations of being abused and they can't do anything, the best thing for them-
Linden Thorp [44:17]: Mm-hmm
Mary Meyer [44:17]: ... to do is to disassociate. So then to take-
Linden Thorp [44:20]: Yeah
Mary Meyer [44:20]: ... a precious soul like that who's been through this stuff and go, "Hmm, I'm gonna have to put it back here," but the body holds so much pain-
Linden Thorp [44:31]: Yes
Mary Meyer [44:31]: ... from whatever it's lived through, emotional or physical.
Linden Thorp [44:34]: Yes.
Mary Meyer [44:35]: And so that-
Mary Meyer [44:36]: ... that is a real, uh, interesting... I think that is, would be a... And I'm sure there's things to do. There's, that, that'd be a whole therapy. You know, that's a whole, that's kind of the whole everything. Uh, and-
Linden Thorp [44:50]: Yes
Mary Meyer [44:50]: ... there's another, there's another 10-hour conversation right there.
Linden Thorp [44:56]: Yes. Well, yes, I'd love to carry on at some point if you'll have me. I mean, I, I really want to talk about all this because it's new for people mostly, and, uh-
Linden Thorp [45:08]: ... it's so fundamental really. Um, and so yes, any opportunity I can get, I want to talk, so yeah.
Mary Meyer [45:17]: Yes. Yes.
Linden Thorp [45:17]: I would love to come, come and talk for 10 hours with you.
Mary Meyer [45:20]: Yeah, on these things. Well, Lyndon, you are such a, such a wealth of wisdom, and thank you so much for giving people so many opportunities to learn and to just discover and play around with this thing called, hey, your bo- this is your body. This is where we get to live. Uh...
Linden Thorp [45:42]: Yeah.
Mary Meyer [45:42]: Yes.
Linden Thorp [45:42]: That's right, yeah.
Mary Meyer [45:44]: Yeah.
Linden Thorp [45:44]: And we can have fun. We can have fun. We can play. Being... Last week my theme was play. I have a weekly theme on LinkedIn and YouTube, and it was play.
Mary Meyer [45:54]: Yes.
Linden Thorp [45:54]: People are too serious about life.
Mary Meyer [45:56]: They are too serious.
Linden Thorp [45:56]: You know, we need to laugh.
Mary Meyer [45:59]: Yes.
Linden Thorp [45:59]: We need to get away from that. Uh, so gravity and play, there we are. We have it all.
Linden Thorp [46:06]: We're grounded, we're safe, but we can take time playing. So yes, everybody, please do something useless today. Do something that ha- is not productive, because productivity is not the only thing in the world, which, but we're led to believe it is. Um, yes, go and, you know, play with a, a ball or, or go and, you know, make a cake or do something that is not useful.
Linden Thorp [46:36]: Well, making a cake is quite useful, but, um-
Mary Meyer [46:40]: Yeah
Linden Thorp [46:40]: ... something playful, and that will lighten you up. Yeah. So I try-
Mary Meyer [46:45]: Absolutely
Linden Thorp [46:45]: ... to do that every single day.
Mary Meyer [46:46]: I love that.
Linden Thorp [46:48]: I play.
Mary Meyer [46:48]: Go play a little bit. What great advice that is. Well, thank you, Lyndon. I appreciate you, and, um, I will catch you on LinkedIn.
Linden Thorp [46:58]: Yeah. Thank you, Mary.
Mary Meyer [46:59]: So look forward to it.
Linden Thorp [46:59]: I've loved it, and I, I really hope your audience, um, loves it too. And yeah, please, I'm here. Contact me whenever you can, and, uh, let's talk. Uh, that's how I'd always like to start any work. Yeah.
Mary Meyer [47:15]: Yes. All right.
Linden Thorp [47:16]: Okay.
Mary Meyer [47:17]: Thank you. All right. Enjoy the rest of your beautiful day.
Linden Thorp [47:20]: I will. Thank you, Mary. Bye.
Mary Meyer [47:22]: Thank you. Bye.