Better By Bitcoin

In this compelling episode, hosts JD, Bondor, and Anton, along with special guest Brandon Gentile, confront the pervasive scam culture within the crypto ecosystem, differentiating it from Bitcoin's foundational strength. They unravel how misinformation fuels skepticism about Bitcoin, discuss the societal need for education to unlock Bitcoin's potential, and draw comparisons between historical freedom movements and Bitcoin adoption today.

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Alright guys, welcome back to the show.

This is Better by Bitcoin.

I am Bondor Gildaplebe.

We got J.D., we got Anton and we got a special guest, Brandon Gentile.

Brandon, how are you doing man?

I am excellent.

Thank you so much for having me on here again, guys.

This is an honor.

Thank you.

Awesome.

So today we wanted to talk about scam culture and the absurdity that is all of crypto and

how it affects and how it has like just completely poisoned the message of Bitcoin, what Bitcoin

does, and the really like the incredible solution that Bitcoin brings to civilization.

So to premise all this kind of this came about because this week, you know, there's all these

posts on Twitter that are just complaining about inflation.

And every single time I see one of these posts, I'm like, you know, Bitcoin solves this problem.

People like you don't need to suffer from inflation.

Bitcoin solves this problem.

And it just turns into this unbelievable like roast of me for suggesting a solution to inflation.

And so that's kind of where it comes from.

And it's just like you go through and you start to read these replies and the replies

are it's like it's the same thing over and over again.

And it's the thing that all of the Bitcoiners here on the call know about and have heard

about before, which is people conflate Bitcoin with crypto.

People don't understand what inflation is.

People don't understand what Bitcoin does.

People like one of the guys in the thing was like, yo, how am I supposed to use Bitcoin

when the gas fees are so high?

I was like, what are you talking about?

It's unbelievable.

It's like the amount.

And then, you know, you read all these things and it turns into this like, wait a second,

like the amount of damage, like the scam damage that has happened to civilization because

of Vitalik, because of Ethereum, because of the whole crypto ecosystem.

It's just it really causes you to pause and think so.

That's to lead it off.

JD, what about scams is it for you?

Like, what's the.

Yeah, it's I think the biggest thing I'm actually doing right now, I'm looking at Ethereum

charts of like five year, one month and five days.

It's like if you get the five year chart, it looks awesome.

Like a Ponzi when you're being sold, the Ponzi looks phenomenal.

Right.

But if you look at the, you know, like the five year chart looks good because, again,

like any any Ponzi, if you look far enough back to see the guys who got into the beginning

of the Ponzi, like it's going to look good.

But the challenge is just, you know.

It takes kind of like two willing participants for a scam to work.

It takes the person who is willfully and intentionally trying to scam you, and then it takes the

person who is either ignorant or, you know, in some kind of a bind.

Like, I think those are kind of the oh, hey, cool.

Thanks.

Ignorant or in, you know, some kind of a bind, because at the end of the day, we're just

like, yeah, I got to be ignorant because, you know, in order for that asymmetry of you

being taken advantage of, you know, somebody needs to kind of be in the know.

And so that's kind of the biggest frustration part about like the scamming part of it is

it's become a part of our culture because, you know, if you have cuck bucks and Ponzi

bucks that are losing value, you want to get rid of them as quickly as possible.

And you want to dump them, the Cantillion effect, on people who have no idea what's

going on because then they're just confused and they're mad at somebody else because they

see somebody else has more.

But then you're actually sitting there fat and happy as the people who are the purveyors

of this dramatic comedy by printing more money.

And so I think that's the thing is it's just like, you know, it's part of the culture specifically

because it's the foundation of what we use as a measure of value.

Yep.

100%.

I love it because that's literally what USD is.

It's just an absolute scam.

Right.

Anton, what's your...

I keep having to mute myself because the birds are going nuts.

I'm sitting outside in Southern California and I will tell you the weather here is not

a scam.

And that's part of the reason why there's so much value in California is just the climate

is insane.

So I'm sitting outside enjoying the beautiful weather.

But do you ever get the feeling that everything is a scam?

Yes.

I've been watching a lot of, you know, sometimes you're looking at YouTube and there's a catchy

title and you get totally sucked in by the click bait.

I clicked on one yesterday and it was like the guy saying, I'm just not made for this

world.

He's sitting there talking to the camera about how from a very young age he was just different

than everybody else.

And, you know, he basically his channel is about minimalism and he decided that he wanted

to make weird music and there wasn't any money to be made in it.

So the only option that he had was to just get his expenses as low as possible.

And the whole video, he's just trying to figure out what this feeling is that he has, that

the world is just this ruthless place full of hostility.

And basically he's figuring out that everything is a scam.

But in the video, he doesn't come to the conclusion that Bitcoin is the solution.

And there another video that I got sent yesterday was this director, James Gray, saying that

the problem in the world was capitalism.

And he did a commercial for Bleu de Chanel, which is, you know, a luxury brand.

And he's done these movies that are multi-million dollar budget movies.

And his problem is capitalism.

His problem is free markets.

And yet he didn't come to the conclusion that Bitcoin is the solution.

What do we do?

How do we help people?

I actually think it's a great thing for Brandon to kind of go into, because your thing is education, man.

Because I totally agree with everything Anson just said.

Like, how do we help these people?

Yeah, it's this epidemic.

And the one thing, like you said, too, is, you know, well, first off, actually, Ryan, way back,

I'm in Michigan and it's beautiful here today.

It's like 70.

So don't, you know, us Midwest boys got to stick together.

You know, J.D.'s a transplant over there.

So, no, but anyway.

I love Michigan.

It's a sleeper state.

It's incredible.

It's a good thing most people don't know about all the features here.

Or else there would be like 35 million people here.

So, you know, anyway, I digress.

There's white stuff that I like twice a year, though, that people really don't like.

I mean, the one downfall is like we get three months of summer.

Yeah, and then the rest of the year is just like so all over the place.

And so that's the one thing that keeps people away.

Other than that, I mean, anyway, it's inflation.

I consider Michigan the north coast.

Great lakes.

I like the ocean.

It looks like California up north.

Yeah, it's incredible.

There's nothing above it, so.

It's true.

Inflation is looked at as part of capitalism, unfortunately.

And that's where I've talked to many people about this recently and, well,

just over the last year, family, friends and all kinds of people where they conflate the system.

Inflation is just part of capitalism.

Instead of understanding that the monetary network you use is the bedrock foundation

that the economic system sits on top of and they're separate.

And that's what people have a very hard time.

And then you go back to like, well, why don't people know that?

Well, you guys alluded to it.

Everyone's on an inflationary hamster wheel.

Like it is a fish.

No, he's wet.

He's been in the water his whole life.

Like no one asked these questions.

We just like go to we just like go to war.

And they're like, hey, you know, like here's the weapons.

Here you go.

Getting ready for war.

They're like, no one asked, like, well, why are we at war?

Like, should we stop it?

Like, what's happening?

You know?

And so that's where you go back to.

Again, I talked about this with Tomer Strzolak the other day.

And I asked him, like, why don't people, why do people accept chat GPT or they accept

this technology so quickly, like millions of dollars in a day or millions, you know,

tens of millions in a month.

But yet Bitcoin, it's like this, the superior monetary technology money we've ever seen.

And it's just like, it's like pulling teeth, like to your guys point.

And there's so much, there's such a nuance.

You know, one of the big thing is, is obviously people are incentivized to keep you out of

that system.

You know, all, all of the, all of the propaganda, all the media, none of it is geared toward

like, you know what, I'm going to give people more freedom said no one ever who already

has control and lots of power.

They're not looking to give you more power, not looking to change the school system, to

change media, to change, you know, popular culture in order to give you more of that

freedom.

That's, that's earned.

You know, that's just, that's not given.

And that's where the people unfortunately have a long road to go in a sense of learning

things.

And that's my biggest fear.

Like to the point of this show, it's going to turn out unbelievably.

I just don't know when it's going to be absolutely amazing.

It's going to be so much abundance and wealth and what's going to come.

But is that going to be a year from now?

Is it going to be 10 years from now?

Is it going to be 50 years from now?

I think it just goes back to how fast are we willing to learn?

Do we need to learn from all of our mistakes and touch the stove and then touch the iron

and then touch all these things in order to keep getting hurt?

And do we need more Canadian trucker protests and stuff going in the farmer protests in

Amsterdam?

Do we need more of these things to happen, more wars in order to keep getting these lessons?

Or how fast are we going to do that?

And I know that's what all of us here are hell bent on.

Hey, how can we educate people so we don't have to keep touching the stove when we can,

you know, to what you guys alluded to earlier, it's how can we move this forward faster and

move this new system so that we're not continually hurting ourselves in the process?

The thing that comes to mind when you're saying that is the, again, going back to the thread

just because it's fresh in my mind, but it's this idea that people have been so burned

by crypto to be distinguished from Bitcoin.

The amount of people who have been burned on Bitcoin are like, every time you investigate

their story just a little bit, it's like, no, they burned themselves.

Nobody actually scammed them out of anything.

It's like, no, you just, you like the reason you're upset is because you got burned.

You kept your coin on an exchange that got hacked, right?

It's like always comes back to that kind of framework.

But with the crypto thing, it's like, bro, the entire ecosystem from the exchange to

the coins themselves to everything about it, the developers, there's like this unbelievable

culture about it and that literally cranks out scam and then people get burned by the

scam and they conflate that with Bitcoin.

And then we were talking about it before the show.

I mean, Anton is like, there's a difference between somebody who like can't learn math

or doesn't understand math, right?

Like people, some people are just really bad at math and they're just like, I'm just not

going to do that, right?

They have good people skills, so they can still get by incredibly well, have good careers,

the rest of it.

There's a difference between somebody who doesn't engage with math because they don't

get it versus somebody who thinks math is evil.

And that's what the crypto scam has done to Bitcoin.

People literally think Bitcoin is evil and they will literally do whatever they can to

not engage with it.

And I just like just throw it out there.

It's not.

That's a lie.

That is completely false.

I don't know if you guys have experienced anything else like that, but it is just it's

unbelievable to me.

One of the reasons why people don't go and learn about Bitcoin is because you can still

make money even though there's the amount of inflation that there is on the US dollar.

So if you're just a really hardworking person who has a career, you might see your income

going up.

You might see your savings going up.

And if you're investing in the S&P, the S&P is growing and it's outpacing inflation to

some degree.

And yet everything around us is getting worse all the time.

I live in Los Angeles.

I first came to Los Angeles over 20 years ago and it had its problems then, but it was

a different place.

It was a much more fun place to live, a much easier place to live.

And I go outside now and I walk to the end of my street and there's a different person

sleeping on the sidewalk every single day at the end of my own street.

And so us Bitcoiners, we see that the world's getting worse and we look for a solution.

The massive difference with Bitcoin is that there is nobody at the helm of Bitcoin.

There's nobody running it.

The problem with these altcoins is they all serve one purpose and that is just to make

somebody money by extracting value out of the consumer.

That's the only purpose they serve.

They market themselves in order to do that as that they're solving some problem that

doesn't exist.

And so, yeah, I guess what we're trying to do in this is just to convince everyone that

every single thing is a scam.

There is no next Bitcoin.

There is no better Bitcoin.

There's never going to be.

So, you know, that's all I want to say about that.

Everything's a scam.

Yeah.

And the best part, too, is like you guys just see Vitalik this week talking about I think

it was this week or like really recently of him just saying, like, we need to be more

like Bitcoin.

Like we need to simplify to be more like Bitcoin.

Yes.

Yep.

Boy, boy.

It's just no.

Yeah, it's it's it's one of those things where you just you have to shake your head and and

like what separates people.

And I go back to like the three percent.

And we've talked about this before.

I think we I talked about this months ago on the show.

But it's I'm kind of resigned myself a little bit to the fact that now we still have to

get to three percent.

We're not there yet.

And that's what we are all doing in the Bitcoin space trying to educate.

But I only think it's going to be a few percent of people, handful percent of people that

drag the rest of society forward.

And it's just American Revolution.

Like most people weren't involved in the American Revolution.

And and then everyone got the other 97 percent got the freedom.

They got the Bill of Rights.

They got the Constitution.

They got all these things because three percent said, yeah, I fall.

I'm not doing that.

But, you know, that's not going to work.

And that's Bitcoiners.

And, you know, we're probably what?

I don't know.

You know, not even one percent, maybe one.

You know, like we have a couple of percent of people.

We have to educate and persuade to come and see the light.

And they're out there.

We need to find them and keep doing the things we're doing.

And and then life will get much better.

But that goes back to it'll probably take a few years, going to take a few years, going

to be some craziness, like you guys said, watching a new person sleep under the bridge

each night.

And it's going to get a little crazier and get a little crazier.

And then eventually that iceberg will flip like it is gradually.

And then suddenly that iceberg just melts to a certain point and then just flips at

some point when society is like, whoa, like what's happening?

And that change, fortunately, is much faster than, hey, we got to go fight the king across

the ocean in our wooden boats or, you know, they come here and we fight them here.

But it's a decision and it's a it's a click of a mouse.

That's you know, that's how quick it can change.

And I think we'll change.

But there's definitely more education between now and then.

And and then resigning ourselves a little bit to the fact that we just need to keep

educating, but we're not going to convince everybody.

There's so many of us.

I think we get into this like this is so obvious.

The truth is true.

Like this is so obvious.

It's going to talk to a couple of weeks ago.

And it was like, yeah, 2012, 1340.

When I got in, he's like, I just in the next year, I thought everyone get this like done.

Like this is game over games that match.

He's just like laughing to himself.

Like, here we are.

So it's a realization I think we all have to go through.

And then it's just like, hey, just galvanize, educate, you know, stay steadfast.

It's going to be a couple of people.

I mean, look at Christ, you know, guys spit in truth and they nailed to a cross.

You know, so like that's at the end of day, we have to accept that.

And most people aren't going to see it the way we see it.

And but they will get the benefits of the of this of this process and the education

that we're all undertaking.

I think it's really interesting, the Christ analogy, because, you know, I firmly believe that,

you know, as a Christian, I think that that is the correct way to live.

And that is the truth.

But I think what's really interesting is the propagation of Bitcoin in a similar manner to the gospel,

because, you know, Christ had his first followers and then he had his 12 disciples.

And then from 12 to 72 and like just this slow, incremental grind.

And throughout that process, people were literally being like murdered for the for for that story.

Right. To protect that story and to protect that what it is.

And I think that's similar to what we're seeing going on and in Bitcoin.

But coming back to the scam thing is the the reason for the vitriol in terms of anything that is good,

that's counter to the spam, excuse me, the scam.

Is because somebody is losing something, you know, it goes to what Elon said,

if you guys have seen this Doge thing is Elon said when he was at PayPal,

he's like what we've noticed with with the IRS when they're like cutting all this,

cutting all the stuff, the beginning with Doge is he's like the people who scream the loudest are usually the fraudsters.

And it's this really weird dichotomy of like human nature that if you can justify what you're doing in any way,

shape or form, actually, there's a video I think on I think CNN posted it a couple of weeks ago

or it might have been like last week where they're talking like one of the cartels,

which is kind of hilarious. They're like talking to these cartels and like trying to make them the good guys.

But the thing was, the cartel guys rebuttal to the woman's like, do you have any like, like, why are you doing this?

She's like, I got to eat. And that's the truth is that the truth of what he said is that he has found a way to justify what he's doing,

like child sex, sex traffickers or whatever these people are who are doing like negative things.

You find a way to justify the the the ends. And so by whatever means necessary, scamming people, you're willing to do it.

And so I'd be curious, you know, the take for many of you all of like. Can we like where do we need to start to kind of change that?

Like is it is the issue there like means have just kind of become irrelevant.

People are just like, you know, job hopping or whatever it is because because of the way that works or is the is the bigger issue like families

and culture like kids are not being trained properly to understand like, hey, this is the end.

And so, you know, there actually are ways to get to that end that are not actually good.

So one thing that comes to mind when you're talking about this is the idea of there's somebody who is like screaming the loudest about it.

Well, they're probably the ones leading the scam, the ones who benefit from the scam. Right.

But then there's everybody else who like steps in and defends them, like voluntarily defends them.

And, you know, again, referencing the thread like came, you see this like you just see it all the time.

And you kind of have to think back, like, why is this even happening?

And they're like, there's the famous quote, some somebody, if maybe you guys know who it is.

But it's like, remember, when you're arguing with like a boomer or an NPC or somebody who essentially gets all their information from the TV,

you're not arguing with a person. You're arguing with a talking head that isn't even processing the thoughts.

Right. You're just you're arguing with the TV. There's no process of thought there.

So how does it switch? Well, maybe it never switches.

Maybe there's just always going to be the ninety seven percent that are always just NPCs.

The thing that that's different, it goes back to Brandon's point.

It's like, well, wait a second. As Bitcoin monetizes, all the bitcoiners are going to have all the agency.

Like we're the ones who are essentially going to be setting the culture.

We're going to be the revolutionaries who are, you know, standing up to the British where everyone else is kind of not participating.

And then all the NPCs that's going to switch and they're going to be defending Bitcoin,

even if they don't understand what they're doing or what they're saying.

Like they're going to be on our side defending us against the Fed or against whoever else is trying to attack Bitcoin.

It's like that idea is really interesting to me.

I don't I'm not going to say that's true.

And I honestly it's kind of depressing because I'd like to believe that anybody can go through the process of learning Bitcoin

and figuring it out and thinking for themselves and understanding what we're dealing with,

understanding reality and how to interact with reality. But sometimes.

Let me tell a story of how I got scammed.

And this is this is not about Bitcoin, but it somehow led me to Bitcoin.

I am a cinematographer by trade and I was downtown and my job was to film an overnight time lapse.

I was on Los Angeles Street in downtown L.A. two in the morning.

Don't ever go to that area in the middle of the night. It's such a dangerous place.

I'm standing in this parking lot and I'm I'm with a friend who I'm working with.

And this older man comes up to us and he's like, yo, bro, I was I was cleaning this house up in up at Altadena.

And I found these old silver coins. You want to buy them from me?

I've never seen a silver coin at this point in my life.

And they had the dates on them were like 1778 or 1812.

I don't know. And I'm playing with the coins and looking at them like these are really cool.

I mean, they've got to be worth something. I don't know what they're made out of. I don't know what they are.

And so my friend and I, we put 50 bucks together, split it between the two of us.

Each of us took a coin. And the next day I went to a coin shop.

And the second I pulled this coin out, the guys at the coin shop were like, what?

Let me see that. You actually bought one of these. Oh, I haven't seen one of these in a long time.

And they flipped it in their hand, went dunk and came back down.

And he's like, yeah, this is made out of some pot metal. These come from China.

I can't believe you bought these. How much you pay for these? And there's a laughing in my face.

OK, so I bought fake metal coins and wasted 50 bucks.

A lot of people could have that experience and then be so embarrassed that they would never buy a coin again.

It actually led me to getting educated on what a silver coin is and what numismatic coins are and how they have value.

Which eventually I stopped investing in those and started investing in Bitcoin.

Had I invested in Bitcoin at the time, I would have many millions of dollars in Bitcoin.

But that's one way to respond to a scam. That's the positive way is to learn how you got scammed, why you got scammed.

Have the humility to realize that you have the naivety to get scammed.

Realize that there are bad people out there trying to scam you and then figure out what to do about it.

So I don't know if you guys want to tell any stories of how you got scammed. It could be interesting.

Yeah, I think that's a great way to start it, too. Let me tell you a story about how I got scammed.

So I had a friend who and this is how I ended up eventually finding Bitcoin.

But he had brought me a lot of really good investments and I didn't know anything about anything.

And so I was just doing some stock stuff and he was like, hey, you know, and everything he brought me was like really good.

You know, something's like 100 percent return. And I had like five dollars. So it's like, cool.

And I have 10. But he brought me this NFT company and he was like, hey, man, there's this thing called NFTs.

And I kind of heard about this stuff tangentially, you know, it was during the you know, right after like the 2017 bull run.

And, you know, so there's like that hype in my head at least.

And then he brought this to me and I knew nothing about anything.

But I was just like, everybody that I'm talking with is talking about these things.

And this guy has brought me good investments. And so I'll trust him and I'll go through it.

And so basically kind of like walk through the process of like learning about NFTs and then just kind of like drinking the Kool-Aid of how awesome this stuff was and all the tokenization of everything and all that, you know, and just kind of like buying this thing.

And I ended up going to NFT LA and like just kind of like again, like drinking to the fire hose of this excitement.

Like Mark Cuban was there and like Busta Rhymes and like, you know, all just all these people like Tom Billy.

Like there's a lot of really huge people on that stage. And I was like, oh, well, if all these guys are like bought into this, then it must be true.

And so I had this like cult of personality that kind of was drawing me down this thing.

And I didn't do any like positive research.

And the guy who ended up eventually orange peeling me, which is when you really kind of understand Bitcoin, the whole time I'm going through this process, I'm like, hey, man, I'm going to do this NFT thing.

Like I'm investing this company to all that stuff. It's like, don't do it. Don't do it, man. You're just going to get scammed. You're going to lose all your money.

And I was like, nah, you're wrong. He's like, don't do it. And so I do NFT LA.

It's like a one week break between NFT LA where I signed the contract like and write the check to go to this like chip coin company, essentially.

And it was it was it was all of the money like disposable money I had to invest at that time.

Like literally, I just put on one check and sent it off. Then that next week, I ended up going to the Miami Bitcoin conference in Orlando or Miami.

And the first thing I think the first thing I heard was a talk by Texas Slim at a thing put on by Katie, the Russian called the Underground Citadel.

And I was instantaneously orange billed. And I went and flipped all my coins into Bitcoin like I had like I was like, oh, diversification is good.

And I called my buddy and I was like, hey, can I get that money back? Because I'd love to like not invest.

I was like, no. And like, you know, six months later, the whole company went down.

I lost every penny I put into it. But from that moment, I touched the stove, put my whole hand on it.

And it just, you know, in the same way with Anton is I really quickly went to the fire hose or went down the rabbit hole back.

And I was like, OK, what did this guy who was orange on me know that I didn't that made me make a bad decision because I made a bad decision.

That was a lot of stupid tax very fast. And so but since that moment, it's like, you know, it's all gambling.

You know, chip coins are gambling and I don't want to gamble with my kids future. I don't want to gamble with my kids, kids future.

So it's just like I'm not a good investor. So I'm just going to do Bitcoin. I'm going to keep it simple.

Yeah, that was my that was my scam story that brought me to Bitcoin.

I've got I've basically been scammed three times, which is the.

Anton, you've done this one as well. The online like remote mining contract scam got scammed out of one of those.

The and then two exchange hacks. So I've been hacked on exchange two times.

And it's like, wait a second. You go through the process and it's exactly like you said, Anton, which is, you know what?

I I either need to never do this again or figure out what happened and what went wrong.

Right. Take ownership, at least try and take ownership of the thing. Right.

For me, the thing was I did not understand what I was doing. I needed to be more careful about where I keep my Bitcoin. Right.

Like, OK, that's that's that's the lesson learned. And then you go from there and that's like so many people create these or go through the same process.

How many people need to go through the same process? But that's where all the culture for like no keys, no cheese.

Like if your coin is on exchange, it's not your coin. Right. And thank God for that stuff.

But like, man, some people just need to learn myself, including the hard way.

Yeah, I honestly I think that these are such great stories. And I think the other thing to do is is to remind ourselves of the system is designed to scam you.

You know, so it's like it's not even that people are, you know, they're going with their best interest.

And we've all we've all seen this and we've all had these roads we cross and everyone's built differently.

But like in the last five years, right. Decisions you make me, J.D., you and I have talked about this relentlessly over the years.

And some of the decisions I know you've made in your personal life, like going to bat for yourself and your own beliefs.

I mean, holy cow. I mean, if everyone could act like that, some of the things you've done just to stand up for yourself and your family.

I mean, kudos. And but the system is designed to go against truth.

You know, again, we're in one in a fallen world, like we've mentioned earlier.

So you have to start with that fact. Once you know that, then you can start operating easier in a way.

And, you know, you're fighting that. And the system and then you get to the fiat system.

So you have like the spiritual realm. But then once you get into this human realm, you're fighting in the system that's incentivized of worse behavior.

It's incentivizing people to be at each other's throats, to put consumers and producers on either side of the table and combating each other.

And this is a very weird concept. Most people just like you guys alluded to earlier, they say, you see the capitalism harder, bro.

You just got to work harder. You got to hustle more. You got to grind more.

You know, and it's just like we get caught up. And I was that guy 10 years ago, 15 years ago.

Like that was me. You know, it's got to work harder. It's got to study more.

And I put 10,000 hours in studying. You know, we're all the same age.

I mean, I left Michigan State and oh, nine and the economy is collapsing.

And I realized both these guys from the same team, Barack Obama, George Bush, they were doing the same stuff.

Everyone in there, you know, in the cabinet was doing the same things.

And I was like, just blew my mind. I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Like, what's going on here? I thought like one party was going to do this thing.

Another party. No, no, no. They're all doing the same thing.

And that's when I started going down. We drove from Jekyll Island, all these things and starts illuminating that the money is broken.

The money is designed to scam you. So that way you are on this hamster wheel.

You're on the treadmill and you go back to the Matrix. The Matrix analogy has got to be careful with them.

But, you know, again, the cogs, the people in the in the cogs, that's humans on a hamster wheel, just paying endless taxes that aren't even there.

They do it. There's a 1940s article in the American Affairs magazine that the New York Fed had literally admits taxes or revenue are obsolete.

That's the that's the name of the article for crying out loud.

And then he goes into bullet points of why they're obsolete and explicitly says it's there to coerce people to redistribute wealth.

It's it's it's so out front and in the open in your face that it's almost like it's hiding in plain sight.

And that's kind of why they do it as well. Like if you tell a lie long enough, then everyone believes it.

And so that's what's very weird. And most of the most people look at us and it's like, well, I never learned any of it, buddy.

Like, I've never heard any of this before. I've never seen any of it.

So, like, you must be a scammer, your conspiracy theorist or whatever it is.

So the whole system is designed against what we're saying. So that's where, like, you know, Vitalik's of the world.

Some of these guys know better, but a lot of them are just like on their own volition, like doing what they think is best.

It's like, well, everyone's scamming in a way they don't think that necessarily not all of them.

Some people just think like, well, I'm just doing me like I got to get mine.

Like everyone's got to get theirs. That's how some people grew up. Everyone grows up very differently.

That's a foreign concept to me. But I was I'm grateful to live the way I grew up.

And it's just that's very foreign. Some people that's very common. That's just the way of life.

So I think that's the other part of it, too, is, you know, they're trying to scam you.

Yes, they are. Everyone's trying to scam you because that's the system we're in.

That's that's fiat. That's political currency. Corrupt government currencies are by very nature.

The entire system is then designed to eventually collapse or implode in on itself because of scamming.

I think that hearing that it's like the thing that comes to mind is this idea that everyone like you talk to talk to just random MPCs.

They're like Bitcoin is the fake economy. Like all that is fake.

You guys can't even use Bitcoin. You can't sell it. It's all fake. The real economy.

The real is like the real rubber hits the road economy. That's U.S. dollars.

Like that's the government backed like stuff. You're like, yo, it's literally fiat.

The definition of fiat is by decree. It's somebody just saying something like that is what fiat is.

It's literally a scam. Definitionally not real. The legacy economy is literally not real.

Like by definition, it's like by decree. The whole thing is a scam.

Like it's mind boggling that people don't connect those dots. They're just like, no, the real economy.

This is it's like, no, you've completely inverted reality.

Like all of reality that's predicated on a financial system is just inverted. Completely ridiculous.

It's what's really interesting about that, actually, that I'm thinking about the the why is culture so susceptible to being scammed?

I honestly think it's technology.

And what I mean by this is the first government to take taxes immediately out of your paycheck without you as the taxpayer seeing it was the U.S.

Government in nineteen forty three for the current tax payment act.

And it was to fund World War Two, essentially, and like keep steady revenue in the government so they could fund this war effort.

And it used to be, you know, like a pay as you go type thing.

And you would go and like pay your taxes individually.

And so that first bit of technology, essentially, which was a shared ledger where companies would share their ledgers with the government of like what they're paying type thing and then like making those deductions and pulling it out like.

That wasn't really possible in like Roman times, right?

Like they didn't you know, the accounting was probably your dude, you know, named Caesar, who just had it all in his head.

And he would probably keep in a ledger and keep in the book.

But like there's one ledger that everybody's going off of.

And then like as we started to get like mimeographs and then different types of copy machines and ways to kind of like distribute some of this information on paper.

It started to allow for these types of slow encroachments to where people who knew they were running a Ponzi, the U.S. dollar fiat.

We're just constantly trying to like how much further can I push this?

Like how much further can I push? How much can they tolerate?

And I think that it goes to what you were saying at the top of this, Brandon, which is what they've learned and what they realized is they don't need to push it to 100 percent.

They just need three.

If they can get three percent of influential people to sign on, they can get 100 percent.

That's where I have.

I have a problem with the arguments when people and just even a lot of conspiracy stuff in general.

Like it's because it's because again, that's that's a term that comes from the top.

It comes from these people.

And there's a lot of these.

There's a lot of smart people that know exactly what they're doing.

We're talking like centuries of family, you know, relics, family behavior passed down from a lot of the banking families.

I mean, you go back to what it is.

They know what they're doing.

You take like Howard Dean, for example, you know, here in America, for anyone, you know, politically here in America, you know, the guy that was like, yeah, and then like sunk his campaign 20 years ago doing that, which is hilarious now.

And like to see what Trump does on a daily basis.

And this guy like sunk his campaign with like a yell into a microphone.

It's wild.

But I remember a video of him around that time.

It was probably in the 2000s.

And he said, you know, that we we basically have to oscillate back and forth between capitalism and communism in paraphrasing.

And he was on a TV show, like on an interview saying that that thing.

And he was in his territory, you know, kind of given his thing.

But he was, in essence, to what your point is, like, you can't you can't squeeze them too much.

And it's kind of goes back to this taxes revenue obsolete thing.

You can't squeeze people too much because then they rebel.

And if you give them too much power and you would take away all their taxes, then they're going to they're going to be free and they're going to be powerful.

And then, like, I won't be able to control them.

That that's it just is, you know, like the fact that someone's going to sit here and, like, try to argue that with me or with one of us, like, well, that's not how it's like.

Then you again, you need to go back and study history.

You need to go back and study empires.

You need to go back and study the Bible.

History is littered since the dawn of time, since Cain killed Abel.

Like, it's about power and control and good versus evil spirits.

And that's where the scams start.

And if we don't understand these core fundamental concepts, then we're going to have a hard time.

Like, you know, what's the South Park pizza when you're supposed to French fry or French fries with the pizza?

You're going to you're going to have a bad time, like you're going to destroy yourself.

And that's where society finds itself.

We keep we keep going on this road of like, we're just going to ignore truth.

And I ran quote of we can ignore reality.

You can't ignore the consequences of reality.

I mean, keep saying there's three thousand genders.

We can keep saying these things.

But in reality, life's not going to play out like that.

And it even goes back to like, again, it's just life optimally running.

But, you know, people want their cake and eat it, too.

And we all do.

I mean, we're human, but it's like we want to just we want to be our own gods.

We want to be God.

I wanted the way I want it when I want it.

We all deal with this.

And now we've just got to a point where society, most people in society just act like that publicly everywhere all the time.

And there's no accountability, no responsibility, no very few morals.

And here we are.

Society is imploding on itself.

And the good thing is, again, we have the answer.

The answer is here and it will correct itself at some point.

And the system, again, is designed to implode.

I mean, the system is designed to suck everything from you, extract all the wealth and scam you and then reset in the way they want it to make.

This is where they go back like the 2030 agenda.

Right. And which is like Agenda 21 before this.

And then it was like, I forget whatever you an agenda.

There's been one for decades, decades and decades, decades of these different agendas.

They rename them. They reshape them.

They try to, you know, update with technology.

And it's just it's a scam system designed to control the 99 percent.

And the 99 percent are waking up, fortunately, because of mediums like this and different places where you can get out and actually talk to people.

And that's why it's quickly starting to unravel for the people at the top.

And I think that is a perfect segue into how it gets better, better by Bitcoin.

Why, Anton? Why is it getting better?

Oh, you're muted. Sorry.

A lot of parrots flying over my head and helicopters.

We can take it for granted that we realize that people are fallen and sinful and that the system is just made to scam us.

I hear a lot of people talking and I believe in having a vision.

I believe that you can sort of manifest your own destiny by believing hard in something.

But what a lot of people believe is that the universe is just going to bring wealth to them.

And so they will gamble on alt coins.

And, you know, if that alt coin goes up by a thousand percent in a day and they can take their profit out and get it out real quickly, then the universe just bestowed this gift upon them.

But what they don't realize is doing that and interacting with these systems that are designed to scam people are bad for your soul.

And so one way that your life is made better by Bitcoin is that Bitcoin, because it is the only thing that is not a scam, is just math and it is just code and it's decentralized and it just runs on its own.

It's essentially a pure digital money is that it allows you to not participate in these things that are degenerate scams that are bad for your soul.

And it has a purifying effect on yourself because you're just not participating in these degenerate things.

And it's as simple as that.

Correct.

J.D.

If we can get three percent of people to understand that.

Your time matters.

Then we can win.

That's that's.

That's the thing.

If we can get three percent of people to get a full understanding that you're trading whatever it is for time, whether you're trading your, you know, your your time with family, whether you're trading your time with friends, whether you're doing whatever, like every trade in life is always something for time.

And because that is true, the greatest understanding is to be we have devised money as humans to store that trade for a future date, because if I were to make that trade of, hey, I spent this time making these apples.

So I'm going to trade you apples.

You know, the problem is those apples aren't going to last forever.

They're going to last for a long time.

And maybe I don't want apples right now.

And so.

This gets better because three percent is a much easier hurdle than 97 percent or 50 percent or 25 percent.

And so this gets better because this is a winnable war in my mind.

Bitcoin becoming the global monetary asset is a winnable war.

And that time is currently coming.

We're seeing BlackRock get involved.

We're seeing, you know, JP Morgan get involved because of their investments in BlackRock and all these other things like everybody can or Fitzgerald is running on with SoftBank now with this new 21 thing that Jack Mollers is doing.

The tides are turning and.

I have a.

Belief that the three percent we need to convince isn't the MPC culture, it's people at the top and those people are now paying attention and those are the people that are going to change the tides for everyone.

So this gets better because.

The FOMO wheel that was started at the bottom was started by the plebs, but has now.

Incepted this group of people that understand the posse, the Ponzi, understand the Keynesian Ponzi, they're now realizing that they're getting left behind and they want to catch up as fast as possible.

And so I think that three percent threshold is absolutely going to happen within the next decade, if not 20 years.

And at that point, time becomes valuable again.

And then, you know, that's basically that.

Ideological reset for humanity, which is cool.

And it's important to, like, combine Anton's point in your point.

When the call of the one percent, the people who are literally the most.

Smartest or most accomplished people in the legacy system, when they have to, quote unquote, when they have to interact with Bitcoin, that is a limitation on their time.

They're no longer interacting with a scam that they've predicated the rest of their careers and lives and education and the rest of it on.

Right. Their souls are healing.

And then you can kind of take that even a little bit further.

It's like, well, wait a second.

What if a couple of them and it's only, you know, a percent of a percent.

Like, really start to.

Understand, I think, say, we start to see this in sailor a little bit.

He's really starting to understand the ethics of, oh, wait a second.

Oh, wait a second.

Like the fact that a.

One of his billionaire friends parks all of his money in houses.

Well, that's unethical because that's preventing somebody else who has a family that wants a house from being able to afford the house because he's just using it to park money, bids, prices, et cetera.

It's not there's no utility there apart from just the parking money and still is connecting those dots now.

Wait a second.

That'll apply to everybody who starts to go down the Bitcoin rabbit hole at the highest levels.

And that permeates through society.

We're talking about a rebirth of an ethical civilization.

Do you want to talk about it getting better?

Like, come on.

I just did the math really quickly with.

I mean, Grok, because I am Grok, essentially.

But the.

Amount of people we need to convince if we were to just convince three percent of the world is two hundred and forty six million.

And so what that means is the only thing I've actually believe is for a minute, but the only thing we need to do is swing the US.

If we can swing the US into a Bitcoin economy, which is why I'm so bullish on what Trump is doing, it's over.

It's over because at that point in time, you have a three percent block at three hundred and thirty million people.

That's over the three percent threshold.

But if you have a block of two hundred and forty six million people that are telling everybody else this is the money, it is now the de facto money.

And I currently think we have that with the way that the executive order was written, like the US dollars already backed by Bitcoin.

People just don't know it yet.

Brandon, how's it get better?

Yeah, I know these are excellent, excellent points.

And just extrapolating on a little bit what you guys are saying, the people at the bottom, you know, unfortunately, aren't generally going to get it because this isn't designed to scam them.

Right. They're on the hamster wheel.

There are so many hamster wheels, not even one hamster wheel.

They're on multiple hamster wheels and they don't even have time to get it.

So it's converting the king.

And you have to get the horse in the gates.

So, like you guys said, you have to convince, persuade, educate, show those leaders at the top that it's it's in their best interest to do this.

And for whatever reason, that is.

And and that's how you get the Trojan horse in the gates at the end of the day.

You got to get in somehow.

And and then, you know, then then you open up other issues, you know, and then Bitcoin itself, it aligns consumers and producers.

It aligns people to be on the same side of the table.

And that's that's literally how it it it incentivizes a better system and how it actually helps the system instead of people being on opposite sides of the table.

So everyone is, you know, I would liken it to the like like Apple or everyone knows iPhones, you know, whatever across the world, basically.

So if you said, hey, if Apple would have been selling their their iPhone for a Bitcoin at, you know, in 2010 or we'll say we'll say 2012 or 2013 or something like that.

And then just say they got a thousand Bitcoin for every phone they would have sold.

And you start to very quickly realize, like, well, would that be worth today?

It would be so much beyond what they have now.

And and you can start to see that very easily as that as this happens more and more and more people are doing this, then you start not then you're not scamming your your consumer on.

Hey, my battery is isn't as good as it should be.

Or, hey, this thing, you know, these parts are made of cheaper parts or whatever it is.

And now you can spend more on R&D, you can spend more on taking care of the customer.

You can do more because you're increasingly because you're providing value, you can produce more value even more over time.

And that's that extrapolates out.

It's not just Apple.

It's it's the family.

It's the country.

Like all these things will start happening and it starts aligning people to be on the same side of the table instead of scamming each other, which is what Fiat does.

All the expenses getting more or higher and higher and higher and running away from you.

Now everything is getting cheaper in cost and you can start using your genius.

You can people because you think about how many humans aren't aren't in their genius zone.

I mean, like you think of all these statistics you've seen over time of like 80 percent of people or whatever, 85 percent of people are slacking off at work all day long.

They're on Facebook or all these different things.

Right. Well, why is that?

Because they're not in the right place.

They're not in their genius zone.

They're not doing what they love to do.

They're not doing their calling.

They're not.

You know, what is God calling them to do?

They're not doing their passion.

That that to me is is one of the biggest crimes that Fiat has perpetrated on us.

And I know a hundred years from now that we're going to look back and that is a modern dark age.

And you guys had it was masked by some of these technological advancements.

But it was you know, we could have had so much more at this point because people are in these positions are not supposed to be in.

You think of all the lost productivity and all the loss we've actually had that's been masked by whatever it is, computers, you know, the growth of certain technology sectors that have made it seem like, wow, we really have a lot.

And we do not saying that we don't.

But just think of how much more we could have a people.

All those 85 percent of workers.

What is that?

You know, 50 million, 100 million people in the country were where they should be instead of, well, I got to just get a job, I guess I got to go do something I don't want to do.

So that that to me is is really the crime.

And that's what's going to start reasserting itself is that confidence in society because of the money.

But at the same time, then it opens up and then I'll leave this for you guys.

I don't know if we want to go this route or not.

But, you know, the paper paper Bitcoin.

Right. So it's like, OK, well, how do we how does this system not just start recreating itself again?

So that's that's the thing we have to be diligent about.

I think it does reeducate people and incentivize people not to do stuff like that over.

You know, we might have some more FTX as Coinbase might blow up or whoever these people, certain people might blow up.

Governments will blow up. But then eventually at some point, I think this is where people start to learn.

You don't change Bitcoin. Bitcoin changes you because Bitcoin is unchanging.

You're going to have to acquiesce to that, that asset.

And then that's where people eventually start realizing, you know, I can't play these these funny games anymore.

And it starts to change society. So.

There's there's been a thing happening in the film industry, which is what I work in,

where the film industry is essentially leaving Los Angeles and everybody's trying to figure out why is the film industry leaving Los Angeles?

And again, they're coming to the wrong conclusions about everything.

But one of the big reasons is that expenses are just too high in California and in Los Angeles.

I mean, somebody brought up the fact that they have to run generators and gas costs five dollars a gallon here,

whereas it costs two dollars and eighty cents a gallon in other places in America.

So the analogy that I'm trying to make with Bitcoin is that it's the way that Bitcoin works is different in different parts of the country,

in different parts of the world because of what it requires to live in those different places.

And going off of what J.D. was saying, that America will most likely be the hub of Bitcoin adoption and Bitcoin innovation.

We have the world reserve currency, but there are other places in the world.

Let's say that you're in Costa Rica and you can go and cut coconuts down from a tree and sell them on the side of the road and take lightning payments for the coconuts.

You don't have a whole lot of expense to run that business.

Whereas I've thought about opening up a little coffee shop trailer and rolling it out to the beach in Ventura and selling cups of coffee.

But I have the expense of the trailer, of the taxes that I'm going to have to pay, of buying the product.

Like it almost makes more sense at this point to take dollars.

Whereas for me, for Bitcoin, at the moment, it works better as a savings vehicle.

If I don't pay my taxes for a year and don't pay any estimated taxes, save a portion of my income in Bitcoin,

the chances are that Bitcoin is going to increase over that time period and then I'll be able to pay the taxes.

So it has a little bit of a different function for me.

Point being, it's good for everybody.

But the way that Bitcoin is going to become more common across the world and across the country is going to be different region to region.

I mean, it's all just great. It's all just great for Bitcoin.

Go ahead, JD.

I was just going to piggyback on that.

As it goes region to region and as it spreads, I think the other thing that's going to spread is a deflationary understanding.

And what I mean by that is that coffee trailer that you have, in order for you to want to get more Bitcoin,

you're going to have to have better coffee, you're going to have better offerings, you're going to have whatever.

And that's going to be your mindset. Your mind says, how do I serve my customers better if I want more?

Or get into the mindset of like, OK, cool.

Well, this week, you know, it's actually we're going to cross off like maybe last week it was 5000 sats for a coffee, you know, five dollars.

Maybe this week it's 500 just crossing off zeros. Right.

So you have these menus where people are like scratching zeros in.

Like we're going to get to a place and to a time when scratching off zeros is going to be a really common thing to do.

And that's actually a good thing, because it's going to change people's perspective and make them start thinking generationally.

Because it's like if I'm thinking about my Starbucks coffee today, that cost me six dollars.

In the future, it's going to end up costing me 30, you know, 13 million dollars.

It's 13 million dollars per Bitcoin. I'm thinking about that differently because what I'm thinking about now is I got to spend this money instantaneously.

I got to spend it now. Whereas in that deflationary environment, you're thinking about, hmm, I don't want to spend that.

And I also want to figure out how I help other people like spend more with me because your business like there's a capitalistic mindset.

But in order to get them to do that, you have to add more. It needs to be something more incremental than just this, you know, planned obsolescence schedule.

You need to be really giving an offering. And so I think that's going to be a cool thing for society in general.

So one of the things that defines like a fourth turning, which is the idea like civilization kind of goes through these turnings,

which are highs and lows and good things happening. And then the people inherit the good things, don't know how to manage them correctly.

So they start to deteriorate. And then once things collapse, people rebuild the systems and things are good again. Right.

So one of the things that defines a fourth turning is the idea that everything starts to just collapse and fall apart.

This is when you see wars and catastrophes and financial collapse and pandemics. We've basically been in a fourth turning since I'm convinced since 9-11.

That's not the consensus view, but that I think that's it. Now, what are the things that are that are strong about a first turning?

Well, it's like strong institutions, social cohesion, like all these all these like hope. Right.

And. You look online, you talk to people, people, it's a very popular thing today to say, we're in a fourth turning, it's going to be terrible,

we're going to be in this fourth turning for a long time going forward. But then you like you start to hear a conversation like this.

And you're like. Strong institutions, that's that's one thing that defines the first turning.

Well, we certainly lost all our institutions, but like what are the there's no hope for any strong institutions.

And it's like, no, no, no. Listen, listen to the listen to what people are saying.

Bitcoin is savings. Bitcoin is a way to think into the future. Bitcoin is like, wait a second.

The institution that we've lost over the last fourth turning and really over the last century is our propensity and ability to save money.

That is not an institution at all in America in any way. But Bitcoin restores that as an institution.

It says, no, no, no. This is the institution of savings.

And because it's an institution of savings, people can start building on top of it.

It's an institution, a pillar of civilization. Right.

These are the things that you can build on top of. And that's when you get into.

Wait a second. Are we like you go down the rabbit hole? Can Bitcoin be hacked? Can anybody do anything about this?

How can we change? How can we destroy it? Like nothing can stop Bitcoin.

And then you start to think, well, maybe Bitcoin is this institution that defines the first turning.

And you're like, wait a second. That really opens up a lot of pathways about how to even process or think about the world.

Right. We are we have the ability to save money now for the first time in decades.

We're in a first turning. It's and it's going to be awesome. It's just going to get better and better.

One quick thing on that is. And I've talked a bit, but the institution that's going to become the most valuable in the Bitcoin future is the family.

And that will change. Yeah, I love it. Yeah.

Yeah, we're just very early. The four of us are very early.

Yeah. Imagine that for me, I go to this burrito place in my neighborhood and I'm so used to going.

And, oh, it was eleven dollars yesterday. It's twelve dollars today.

And then they'll be like eggs are super expensive. So we added seventy five cents on eggs.

Imagine if instead if I wait and I say, you know what, I'm not going to have a burrito today.

And then I go tomorrow and the burrito is cheaper. The burrito is cheaper because of it.

Because Bitcoin has gone up in value. That is something that we have not experienced in our lifetimes.

And it's going to become the norm on a Bitcoin standard in the future. Pretty cool.

Yeah, it's it's also like you guys have been saying, understanding deflation.

And again, it's a fish. No, he's wet. If he's in if he's living in the water his whole life, it's a hard concept.

And everyone has a really hard time thinking like, what would I do? I just had this conversation, you know, a few months ago for Christmas.

A couple of family members, they were just really, really hell bent on, you know, again, inflation being part of capitalism.

They couldn't understand that. And also just deflation will drive the economy into the ground.

They just could not understand that. It's like, well, we need you need inflation.

That way, like people will actually like invest in things and do stuff.

And at the end of the day, it is it's tough because like theoretically, I see, you know, velocity of money or I should say velocity of currency.

You need velocity of currency because the currency is current. So you have to have velocity.

Money doesn't need that. But in saying that, do people not think we're going to be incentivized to do anything?

Like you're just going to sit there and just like I'm going to sit in a shack like a hole in the ground, just sit there with my Bitcoin.

That's the thing where like there's a just there's a there's a blatant lack of human faith in humanity.

And like people just have they don't have faith.

There's very little hope and there's very little faith in thinking like humans are just going to not figure anything out.

We're just never going to do anything. And again, that's something we all deal with.

Like, you know, we all look you all look around like, you know, what are these people doing?

Like, how come they're not doing this over there? It's like humans are path of least resistance.

We're not, you know, we are in the garden of Eden.

We had it all made and then we made a bad decision and then we got kicked out.

And he's like, you're not to work. And God's like, you're not to work the rest of your life now.

So, like, figure it out. And so, like, we're already we're used to like having having it all.

And and so we're path of least resistance, but we're God's highest form of creation.

So we have all this in us, but so much of it has been beaten down over centuries.

And I just like the resourcefulness and just everything has just been like kind of just beaten out of us.

And the will's been broken in a way. And it's coming back. I mean, clearly it's coming back.

We're seeing it all over the. And I think the greatest, most hopeful thing for me is like five years ago or five years ago,

I found Bitcoin Twitter like in 2021, maybe 2022. I didn't know anyone existed like like me.

Like, I just thought like, oh, like, you know, there's a few people in my life that I know they're similar or whatever it is.

But I didn't know there was such big groups of people that thought like I did.

And these base foundational truths and thermodynamic thinking and first principles and, you know, all these, you know,

praxeology and like going in all these things. I was just like, dude, I'm just weird.

And you get along with everybody, but you weren't best friends with anyone because you weren't no one really talk that talk.

So you're just kind of like, all right, you just kind of felt lost in the world for a long time.

And then you stumble upon Bitcoin or something like, holy cow, like there's there's a million of these people that that think like this all around the world.

Like what what is happening? And so that was really eye opening for me.

But because of that, because of the mouthpiece we have on social media, that's one of my bets on Bitcoin.

And I tell people all the time, like there's probably 10 or 12 big reasons why I'm in Bitcoin.

One of the big reasons is the social layer.

Like there's just a bunch of loud mouth, you know, autistic kids like yelling about stuff.

And they're not going to they're not going to stop until what they get at 3 percent.

They pull everyone across the finish line. And that doesn't seem like a like, well, what up?

Tell me about the network. Like, yeah, it's not about 21 million or whatever.

It's just these people are so hell bent and have the truth on their side.

They will do anything. They will lay down their life. They'll die on that hill.

Well, I'm going to put my money with those guys like that's that's what's going to win at the end of the day.

So, you know, it's it's understanding deflation and understanding that.

You're coming back to that. You don't you don't have to be working 24 seven.

That's a lie in and of itself. This hustle grind culture, all this stuff is is a fiat construct.

I don't like word the word using the word construct necessarily.

But it's it's it's this world we've built around, you know, this the fiat lifestyle, because in a way you have to.

Right. The system is designed to scam you. So you have to be on the hamster wheel constantly.

And those who aren't on the hamster wheel longer than someone else, you start losing.

So you start, you know, and then you like you guys said, the family has been completely dissolved almost over the last 50 years because of the bastardized money turned into currency that we now have.

So now you're on the hamster wheel. Now, mom's on the hamster wheel and dad.

Now, mom and dad are on the hamster wheel and they use all their savings.

Now, then a decade later, mom and dad are on the hamster wheel. You've used all their savings.

Now you're out on credit card debt. So, like, it just keeps getting worse and worse and worse.

And then what happens in all that? Now you have more divorces.

Now you have the kids are living in daycare. They're living with their grandparents.

They're being taught by people that, let's be honest, don't care from as much as the parents will.

That will always be the case in humanity. The parents will never care more than anyone else.

And that's that's like you guys point until we start flipping that iceberg onto his head and rebuilding that family structure.

Bitcoin is the only way all of us have found to flip that whole dynamic of society and re-incentivize.

The last thing I'll say is like George Gammon always fights his fight of, you know, we talked about the Jeff Booth for hours where he's like, we agree on the same thing.

We just like it's just like eventually I just think it goes right back to this, like the next fourth turning.

Like you guys said, the next fourth turning, like everyone just forgets.

And his whole thing is education. It's like, George, you can't out-propagandize the state.

I don't know if Bitcoin will work necessarily, but it's the only thing I found in 20 plus 25 years of studying politics, money, history, all these things and business investing that gives us at least a shot at turning the iceberg over.

Because just trying to sit here and be like, hey, I'm going to start another rebel capitalist channel.

That's not going to do anything because you have unlimited currency printer over here, unlimited people on hamster wheels funding the state.

How are you going to out-propagandize that, George? You can't. It's inevitable.

They will. They will. You're swimming up river and you will die eventually trying to do your noble work that it doesn't work that way.

So, you know, take your chip off the table, sit on the side, watch your enemies float on the river instead, and then sit there and be ready to rebuild society when people are ready.

End of rant.

I love all that. One thing that sticks out to me is the idea that inflation is good, that all the people out there are like, no, no, no, inflation is good.

If we don't have inflation, no one's going to invest, no one's going to talk, no one's going to make companies or whatever.

And it's like, no, no, no. And therefore, if we have deflation, there's not like, what are we going to do?

You're just going to sit on your money all day? Like, yeah, we're all just going to go.

I don't need food anymore.

Yeah. And it's like, no, listen to yourself. You literally need to spend money to survive, to live, to eat, to have a shelter, to have clothing.

You need to spend money for these things. There's always a bid on spending money, period, because you can't live in this at all without doing that in a modern economy.

Consequently, the only thing that actually makes sense is to not push on that further.

It's to dial it back down, which is to say, have a deflationary currency, not an inflationary one.

Yeah, it goes back to, and I'll just say something really quick, and again, Jeff Booth has been touching on this a little bit more of last year or so, but it's like, you can't have an inflationary currency in a deflationary world.

Those two things are incompatible, and it's these systems we're talking about.

It's a while because that system at the top, it's running things, it's Agenda 21, or it was Agenda 2021, but now it's Agenda 2030, all this stuff.

They're telling you, we've got to do these things, we've got to do this for the environment, we've got to do this and that.

It's like, but your endless printing of currency doesn't allow the world or the earth to heal like you say you want it to.

These things are incompatible, and that, to me, is the biggest unlock for, I think, a lot of societies.

I think a lot of societies in that cross-section or in that intersection somewhere are like, wait, but they've been telling me global warming, and they've been telling me all these things.

But wait, the Bitcoin helps do that, but then wait, inflation and printing currency and life running away from us and just constantly more and more and more.

What's the next 90-day earning call going to say?

Just constantly beating everyone into the ground.

Those things are incompatible.

They're completely incompatible, and that's the thing I think people are really starting to wake up to.

All right, guys.

Anton, JD, do you guys have any last thoughts before we close it out for today?

Just that I concur, and I'm glad to know you guys.

Same.

Yeah.

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Be careful out there.

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