Best of Season Five

In the final episode of Season Five of Juicy Bits, we rounded up our favorite moments from all of our conversations over the past season. Get ready to laugh, cry, and maybe pee your pants a little bit. If we missed your fave, send us an email at [e-mail].

What is Juicy Bits?

We created Juicy Bits because we wanted to continue the conversations that we start out on the trail and on the chair lift. Hosted by our CEO Jen Gurecki and Ambassador Jillian Raymond, they talk candidly about everything from dude soup, to sex, to politics, to equity in the outdoors. We occasionally (read: frequently) drop F-bombs, interview some of the most interesting people in the outdoors and beyond, and say things that many of us think but don’t feel comfortable saying out loud. If you are easily offended or looking for something that is G Rated, this is not the podcast for you. But if you love truth-telling and irreverence, get ready to laugh, cry, and maybe pee your pants a little bit. 

Hello and welcome. I'm Jillian Raymond, the co creator of GCD and a Coalition Snow Ambassador. And I'm Jen correcty, your co host and the CEO of Coalition Snow. For those of you who are with us in season two, we are glad you're back. For those of you who are new, get ready to laugh, cry, and maybe pee your pants. A little Juicy Bits is about taking the conversations that we start on the chairlift and at the trailhead and bringing them to you to explore alternative narratives that challenge the status quo about what it means to be a modern woman in the outdoors. Grab your helmet, because sometimes it's a bumpy ride. FYI friends, this podcast is for mature audiences, so you've been warned. Let's get to work and juice the patriarchy.

What is it? From the I think it's the Feminist Collective that I love. Hydrate, masturbate, meditate. To think about it, it's really so fucking as. We're talking about it right now. I almost feel like I'm outside of myself, listening to us being like, what are we talking about? What did they live through? What just happened? In that sense of two years and a blip? Only because I like to think I haven't aged a day. I will say that this filter on the Zencaster is really it does nice things for me. The filter is good. But let's be honest, I'm fucking aged. Anyone who like, I have there are lines on my forehead. There are stress marks on my forehead. I can't even pull them apart. I can't even pull them. And that is from two years of stress. When you furrow your brown, you're like, I think that a lot of people are still suffering. I mean, just to give everyone context, we're recording this on March 29. It was just two nights ago that Will Smith slapped Chris Rock at the Oscars. Yeah, we're not okay. Yeah, we're not okay. Anything that wants to be said about that, we're not. And this is something that when we were debriefing it, we were just chatting about it in our team meeting at Coalition. That's what Sarah, our operations manager, said. She's like, we're not okay. And I was like, Yeah, that's what explains all this. We're all still fucked up. Everyone's fucked up. Like, we're actually not okay. But we live in a society that's telling us everything's okay. Carry on. No more masks, travel, go out, do all these things. And so it is like you said, this out of body experience where you're doing all these things like you used to do, except for you're looking down on yourself, being like, what the fuck are you doing? You weren't doing this two months ago. Now you're doing I am not the type of person who wants to hear all sides. I'm not trying to seek to understand. I do believe I understand where antivaxxers and anti mass people are coming from. I have listened to you. I have heard the things that you've said, and I don't fucking care. Beyond your personal self interest, those beliefs don't actually do anything for communities who we should care about and for any white woman. If you believe that you are helping women or you want to be a feminist or anything, if you want to talk about women, you absolutely have to apply this intersectional approach. Now, I know I'm saying this, and many of our listeners are like, yeah, no shit. But you would be surprised, or maybe you wouldn't be surprised how to this day, I'm still having conversations with other white women around this is what intersectional feminism means and the things that you're doing. Perhaps you should google white feminism and then let's have a conversation around what specifically you could do to learn more and do better and resolve some of this toxic behavior. And it's surprising to me that I'm still having these conversations with people who I at least think follow me on Instagram and hear all the shit that comes out. I don't even know. But it's been a wild couple of weeks with the number of women who I've had to have these conversations with and how covet and masks and vaccines just really elucidate the toxicity in all of it. Do you think there's a separation and understanding of how white feminism and the privilege that that can evoke and the choice to not mask, not vaccine for this we and us? I'm using my air quotes. To me, I feel like that's a direct illumination of the fact that how white women have largely benefited from systems of oppression and the larger patriarchy because the sense of them being able to have that choice in their protected bubble because they'll still have access to all the things that they need if they were to get sick or they have access. Social distancing is kind of a privilege. Or just the fact that they can walk and do whatever the fuck they want and they're like, no one's going to say anything to me. Is someone going to say because the amount of people I've seen where I want to be like, are they not wearing a mask because they're vaccinated or not wearing a mask because they're not vaccinated and they're against vaccines, do I want to be near them? They're not following, like, what's in the kind of the social fabric right now, which is distancing and massquaring and increased mandates and governments shutting down and new restrictions and lockdowns all because we can't end this pandemic. But I'm like you white women that are doing that, you kind of just get to exist and walk in this lane of entitlement and privilege, and I think it's really uncomfortable. But I'm like, if you're not willing to see that, then I just feel like you're further benefiting from the status quo. When we started this process, there's this scholarship to the coalition scholarship, but I was also helping Conorine with the Icon Pass Natives Outdoors scholarship. And so I came into both of these application committees feeling so emotional because the end of it had read over, call it 200 applications from different indigenous people applying. And so the thing that made it the most emotional to me was this reminder of the barriers associated with skiing, associated with back country skiing, and associated with all of these activities occurring on stolen land and occurring within this illegal occupation that is the United States of America. And so reading over so many people like me that I didn't think existed and only had just had a taste of that existence through meeting Denali, Connor, Mikhaily, and Cal, and those being the first indigenous skiers I had ever skied with other than my dad and my brother, that's what made the process the most emotional to me is that skiing for me was how I most connected with my indigenity being removed from my traditional homelands. It's how I most connected with the place that I live, developing my relationships here and putting my time to the relatives and to the land that I now live on, and knowing that that is only something that I could do, because I was really fortunate that skiing was something my family wanted to do, and it was like the only activity that we did as a family. So we put a lot of time and effort into that and we have the privilege to do it. And the only reason I got pulled into the backcountry was because I was in college and I lived with a woman who is from Colorado, whose family is really wealthy. And so they took me back country skiing one time and I fell in love with it then and all the sacrifices it took to get all of my own first gear for back country skiing, which was all second hand, and to know that there were 200 other people like that who either wanted to start skiing or already were skiing, or wanted to venture into that country or wanted to become guides. And that to all of us, while many of us could have made it happen without a scholarship like this, the fact that so many of us need something like this or deserve something like this, or frankly, all of us should have access no matter what our backgrounds are, because this is stolen land and we're all indigenous and so we're the first nations. Hello. That's what made it most emotional for me. I'm in education and part of how I took this job, and I'm helping with the implementation of tribal history, shared history, in a large district in Oregon, which is so cool. And part of how I took this job is I had a native student and I was teaching a curriculum that I thought was good and they were like, no, it's not. Then I met with this Native parent who's just this badass woman, and she's like, Dude, and taught me a lot of things that I didn't realize and had to unpack. And I remember I was so excited to try this new job. It's what drove me to this new job, to leave the classroom for the first time. And I remember I was like, okay, I need to apply for the scholarship. Like, I really want to do this. And I was going over a training with someone. I can't see too many details. And basically a comment came out. And with my other friend who's Native, the one, you know, Geneva. And basically the person said, you're never getting your land back anyway, so why are we talking about this? And you've met the other woman. I don't want to say her name because I didn't get her permission. We left immediately and went to a coffee shop, and we were like, that's not okay. I'm not okay. And we took the rest of the day off, and I called in sick the next day, and I was like, you know what I'm going to do? I'm frustrated and I'm angry. I'm going to spend the whole day I took a mental health day. This is going to be on. Like, I took a mental health day, which we're allowed to take. And I wrote for the scholarship. And I think that for me was like, the inspiration is like, okay, so I got told this, and, like, how my sign falls down. Like, how can I take that negative energy that I felt and move forward? And I think for me, that's what Land Back is. Like, so many times I'm told it's not happening. That's the past. Get over it. And so part of my job and I was so grateful for Geneva coming in and helping, and she got to present to these teachers I was presenting to today, let's bring Native people to the present. And part of bringing Native people to the present is talking about Land back. I love that because I feel like the first time that we all had our little video chat together, it was I was like, I would like land acknowledgements. And you guys are like, Actually, it's Land Back. That makes sense. I don't know. I thought about that, and I think the language is so different from us and Canada. It's not PC to say tribes. We call it bands. I can't tell you why, but through my artwork as well as my skiing, I'm trying to learn the original mountain names of the Canadian Rockies up here because it's all named after settlers who came here. And I was actually asked to do a project about Mary Schaefer, who's one of the early explorers of hand quotes, early explorers of the Canadian Rockies. And I need a little more information about her before I said yes. And she's most of the reason she named everything in Jasper. It felt like she named all the mountains after her friends or, like, what she thought. And I want to stop seeing these early explorers, and I'm sure you all have them in the US. As well as, like, pioneers, because they're colonizers. And we should give our land back to the indigenous people of where I am, with the Canadian Rockies or wherever you want to give back Turtle Island. What really resonates with me is that Indigenous joy is such a radical movement. Anytime we are making space on the land and we are finding joy on the land, that is land backed. To me, that is how we can reclaim that space, because we are finding joy when so many colonizers have tried so hard to take that away from us. And so any time that we have our indigenous joy, that is land back. Say yes 1000 times yes to everything that has already been said. I agree with absolutely everything. And the only thing I really have to add is laying back also is literally land back. Like, literally giving back decision making authority to tribes, to First Nations, to indigenous peoples. Yeah. So I'll tell you a story. I was working at my parttime job where I sell stretchy pants. You can guess where that is. And my dad's guiding friend, Whatever, came in and he was just like, Oh. Chatting to me. He's like, do you still climb? And I was like, no. And he's like, Yeah, well, that makes sense, you're big boned. I was just like, sir, please. But that's definitely what turns me off from snow sports, is because I just see a lot in social media and mainstream media of skinny people climbing or like, I'm not good enough. And growing up here, I never thought I was good enough to ski because it was just kind of like all the mean kids that skied. And I was really intimidated to join a freestyle skiing club. And now that I'm older, I'm teaching freestyle skiing. And I never thought I would be able to do that because I never saw myself with these groups of people. And that goes with indigenous sports, too. I think that with Spirit of the Peaks, a friend who's working on a film was like, oh, it's already been done. We can't do this indigenous ski movie anymore. I'm like, does a CIS white guy say, look at another CIS white guy do a back flip? It was like, I can't do it. It's been done. No, they keep doing it. The content keeps filtering out. We just need more indigenous representation in the ski industry and mainstream media with film festivals and yeah. And of course, like, this cohort has been talking about doing something like that, or, like, getting together and like, that be great. And it's kind of funny. With the scholarship, I thought I was just getting some gear and some money, but I'm getting like a rag group of friends to ski with. Well, I just want to jump in. This is Jen. I want to say something. Catherine, you brought something up that I think is really important that we need to discuss. The ski industry is an industry. The industry exists to make money and it is fueled by capitalism. And so the whole point, let's not confuse ourselves. Like, sure, there's certainly individuals who want true connection with the land and true connection with one another, but the industry wants to make a shit ton of fucking money. And they historically have thought that the only people they can make money off of are CIS white men, CIS, straight white men. The rest of us have just been, you know, those things on the side that made like they've never thought about anyone else. And that speaks volumes to the amount of whether it's like over racism and sexism and ableism or whether it's bias. But part of the reason why there hasn't been a more robust and diverse representation in seeing is because people are 100% just trying to fucking sell shit and they think they know who to sell things to. And that, for me, like, part of the power of this group, both through the scholarship, but also what you all are doing as individuals is to kind of show them, actually, fuck you, I got mine and I'm fucking here. And we're going to do this right, to ignore all of us and all of you because you don't fit into essentially they don't think you're going to bankroll this industry. But that for me. I have a big passion around changing that. Well, number one, we should append capitalism, right? But also, number two, don't always look to them to think that they're the only ones who are going to drive the industry. Look at alternative forms of capital. It's not just financial capital that runs this world. And we have a lot of power, whether it's social capital or environmental capital or human capital, where we can actually step in and change all of that. I'm curious, Liz, any of these videos that you were editing, if you had any AHA moments, those times where somebody says something where you're like, oh, fuck, I've never thought about that. Can you think of any of those? Yeah, well, the clearest one is like something that I've been saying over and over again, but it's in Tanya's episode where she's talking about not fitting in ski pants. And I just want to say there's all these issues in the world and sometimes when you're self conscious about your body, you can be like, this doesn't fucking matter because there's so many giant issues. But in the end, all it still matters and it's how you look at yourself and then that matters on how you approach everything in the world. And she was talking about tanya was talking about being in the dressing room and crying because you couldn't get a pair of snow pants on. And like, that was it. What were you supposed to do after that? There wasn't a pair that would fit. And that's when we were talking. She was also the first person I interviewed, and I was like, you were raised across the country from me. We are different cultures. We are blah, blah, blah. But this is an issue that all of us immediately I'm crying. And that's where the similarity thing, the thing that I keep saying that came from her. Because when it comes down to it, no matter where we are in the world, we've all had those feelings. Those feelings like mayhem were like, we're out of control and we need to be in charge of our lives and things like that. You've said that our relationship with the outdoors is another advancement in civil rights, and I would love to hear you talk more about that, because I don't think that there's a lot of people who put those two together, civil rights and the outdoors, but you clearly have decades of experience with those two particular things. Can you speak a little bit more to that? Yeah. And I would say not just a civil right. I view it as a human right. Human right. I view it as a human right where we have this connection with nature. And it doesn't have to be like in big national parks or big remote glamorous places. It can be in a city park. It can be in your home garden. It can be nourishing plants at home. It can be taking a daily walk outside your neighborhood or in your area. And when I see it in the form of a civil right, a human right speaking again, with respect to in the United States, we've had a history of segregation in outdoor spaces. Right. We can't deny that. Then in addition to that, when you look at a lens of housing segregation and housing development, particularly post 60s right. You look at where the green spaces are and where the green spaces are. Not. Right. Air quality, water quality. Right. Those are all civil rights. Those are all human rights access. Yeah. There's a reason why public infrastructure is called civil infrastructure, right? Yes. It's in our fabric of our society, and that includes green spaces. It includes our rivers and our oceans and our mountains and our city parks and our community gardens. And to be able to have that deep connection with nature and my mom had it and has it deep love of outdoors, if there was sort of a place where we could get to that would really create a more equitable, just world, do you know what that might look like in terms of people using their voices? Yeah, great question, Jen. Really thoughtful question, and I think about that actually often, and that is actually one of the reasons why I do the Jedi trainings. Right. So that elevates the consciousness of my community as a whole, so that we're living in a more just world. There are degrees of things that individuals and systems can do. So if I who identify as a woman and a person of color woman of color, an immigrant, english is not my first language, and I happen to be amongst people who have more privilege than me, right. One thing that those individuals can do is they can elevate my voice when I'm speaking and say, you know, I see what you're saying. There's a lot of value to that. So if there's agreement, there. Another thing is that don't leave the burden of education on these subjects on me. In other words, if you belong to a series of identities that holds power, you should leverage that as a conscious being to educate others. Right. So that I'm not the individual who's taking the arrows of vile verbs being directed at me. Right. Please help share the burden. That's huge. And then to work on dismantling systems that create inequities. Right. And that doesn't mean that you grow around and destroy society's institutions. Not at all. It's like, how do you work to recognize that some systems are set up so not everyone gets to participate? And what are you individually doing to break that apart? About my life's work that may not be visible on first glance? I think I have a lot of stories built in my life that led to my life's work, particularly in the justice, equity, diversity, and inclusion realm. Like, for instance, I went to an all boys school very early on in my life. When I took the Harvard Implicit Bias Test many years ago, I had implicit bias toward Engender. Interesting. And I talk about it very openly and very freely, because even though I do this work, I'm not sitting on some high and mighty platform like, oh, I am an evolved being. I have to scrub my teeth on a daily basis, and I too, have to scrub my practices and my micro habits on a daily basis. And I'm also on a path of evolution and growth. Right. And so when that gender bias was revealed to me, it was like, I wonder where this comes from. And I did a lot of unpacking. And looking back into how I arrived at a perspective that I found, it like, why do you see not enough women in math and sciences? My background is in math and sciences. And I was like, there's no barriers to women in math and science.

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Yeah, exactly. Here I was with my blinders on. Right. And so I had to do a lot of unpacking related to that side of my being. I appreciate those moments right. Where you have that self reflection and you have to say to yourself, you got to work on this. This is something that you need to understand why you think this way. And you need to work on it. And that is, like you said, that path of working, evolving, it's not like there's not necessarily this end goal, like you're going to get one place and then you're done. It's just this constant growth that is so I mean, I find it's so critically important in the world that we live in, like, we live in this hyper connected world where information is passed so quickly now that being able to be on that pathway of evolution is critical to our success and to our happiness, I think. Spot on, Jen, spot on. But Jen, the comments kind of had me in a little bit of a swirl and I kind of think we need to talk about that today. Yeah, well, you never know how people are going to respond to anything that you put out on Instagram. And we're kind of known for putting out some provocative and edgy and sort of nontraditional snow sports content, but that's what we do. That's our whole thing is to not be like everyone else, is to show a completely different side of things, particularly when you think about showing all the sides of women and all the different things that we might be thinking about or talking about or experiencing. And so, yeah, we had a sponsored skier from another brand, a man, of course, decide that it was his place to be the content police and demand content that showcased women shredding harder. He was very upset. Very upset. So, time out. Is this a man that you hired as your consultant, Jen, for your Instagram content? Was he brought in as an independent contractor to consult on women ski brands? That's a great question. The answer would be no. His input was unsolicited. It was unsolicited advice. No one actually asked him, hey, sponsored skier from other brand, what do you think about our content? But he offered it up like he knows all the things about the appropriate way to showcase women skiing. That was his whole thing. So, yeah, that was a really we get off this snowcat trip up, totally zend out, come back to the real world. And of course, why else would 2022 start out any other way than to be trolled by some guy for our new real world. Nice. Did you see how you just did that? You got back to the real world. The real world. I know. Yeah. Well, and I'll have to say, I couldn't initially find his unsolicited consultation work that he provided because there were so many comments that were so joyous to read. They were so fun. They were like hysterical. I love all the great emojis, all the great way to nail it. Coalition, love this marketing. You're upping brilliant. Like all the things right, how do you put it? Really well on that Instagram, you're like, you zig, we zag. It's a constant interruption to the noise of what all the companies are doing and it's also just a departure from what is lazy and boring and doesn't really represent this full picture of women in the outdoors, women in the mountains, women on skis and snowboards. I wonder if this person is going out to all other companies and offering up what they think they should see. Maybe. I wonder. This person actually created an opportunity for me to reflect on what is it that we do at Coalition that gets women super pumped on skiing and snowboarding? What is it that we really do? Because Instagram is really just vanity, right? It's just sort of like fun times. While certainly Instagram can be a catalyst for change. Again, it's not the end. I'll be all of anything, so of everything. Sorry. So I was thinking about what are all the things that we do and what would actually constitute support, like getting women excited about skiing and snowboarding or getting them more involved in the sport. And so I came up with this list of things that we do, and I'm actually going to end up writing a blog about this. I'm going to put it in our newsletter, Lady Parts. But at Coalition, just if you look at what we've done in the last six months, we have our Indigenous Back Country scholarship where we give gear and $1,000 cash scholarship so that women and non binary individuals can actually get the airy courses and the gear and everything they need to recreate in the back country. We do that. We're working with elevated locals, which is one of our ambassadors. Liz Pop is taking the lead on this to actually create these stories around BIPOC, skiers and snowboarders. So that film series is getting ready to come out. We have our ambassador team, which is over 20 plus people. We released a promotion this year with our athlete, Genie. We also are in the middle of working on a collaboration with Rebel Girls to rerelease our youth ski in snowboard next year. Not to mention the Coalition clubhouse, which is a virtual community of meeting place for underrepresented genders to come together. And inside of that, we have Mountaintop, which is specifically for bipock. We have our Backcountry Beta event once a month that we partner with True Gear to provide this education for free. That's just what we've been doing the last six months. Yet clearly we're not doing enough to really get women pumped and really showcase women in the outdoors. And so I want to thank you, human and what he actually defined himself as a man with a penis who doesn't know anything. You're right. That is you. But thank you for the opportunity to actually go through and list all the things that we do, because after I did that, I felt super proud about what we do at Coalition and that we have an Instagram account that doesn't prioritize only people who are expert skiers and snowboarders, but actually showcases a wide variety of human beings and a wide variety of issues and passions and joys that we all experience. Shout out with coalition of breaking through the noise, but then also, like the skiing and snowboarding, there's such a fucking release and almost this shift in the pressure that go, yeah, find that log, see that cliff, do that. But we don't have to take a photo of it. That's my session rules, right? We're not going to go session this stuff necessarily and capture it on video. And like, women also don't ask me what I have seen is that women, for so many different reasons, don't ask people to film them. And also the people who are filming tend to be men and they never encourage or invite women to be filmed. So there are a lot of reasons why it's actually difficult to capture that kind of footage. And once again, like, yes, we have people on our team who do flips and tread. Not to say I'm not trying to say that the skill level doesn't exist. It's just a different way of engaging and existing within the sport and within the mountains. And it's not necessarily all about getting that perfect shot. There's so much more that goes into it. And what's important to me as chief decision maker, who maybe shouldn't have this job anymore, I don't know. It's like I just want to represent so much more than just this really narrow sliver of women athletes who do ski and snowboard in that way. I want to create something that's provocative and that gets you thinking about your body and your relationship to your body and society's relationship to women's body skiing and snowboarding requires our bodies.

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Where's the disconnect, like everything that we talk about with our Bots, it's all about our bodies. And there's just so much more to it than just can you rip a thick line? The other thing that I will say, and this is, you know,

Participant #1:
we can't necessarily attribute this to this human being, but in general, it's fascinating how many men are very intimidated by our use of nonsexualized nipples.

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When women's nipples are sexualized, that's normal. But when we showcase nipples as either protest or joy or self love, that makes men really uncomfortable. And I do feel like that may have been at play a little bit in this comment because the real was about strap on. So there was a lot of jokes around strap ons. It was around the actual, like, ski strap that we make with true gear. So we did a play on strap on. Perhaps women being so open about their sexuality and their desires made this individual uncomfortable. But yeah, if you think there's no place for sex on Instagram, then perhaps yes, you would very much dislike that real. Or if you think there shouldn't be any nudity at all. And I don't want to necessarily call you approved because that feels mean. But also I think nudity is natural. Really? I wish that could explain all the other horrible experiences that we are currently in and that we have to look forward to in this next stage of our life. Why do we get this? Jen and men just get to buy like, a yellow Corvette and fucking move on? I don't know. Because the world is unfair, as we know. But also maybe I feel like maybe going through menopause and clearly perimenopause, which is what you and I are currently going through, maybe there is like, lessons to be learned about life that will make us more resilient. And that is something that men don't get. Maybe there's some gifts in having to endure these things, but I don't know. Only time will tell. I'm going to give you, like, the Gold Award for fucking bullshit on that one. Look at that shit. Okay? That was like the hippiest shit that has ever come out of your mouth. You must be in a high, like, estrogen progesterone, like, happy place right now of yours. Nothing is fucking hippies. But the point of being like, oh, this will be my great teacher of resilience and life. I don't know. I'm looking to survive this and I don't want to suffer in silence, but I really have a hard time when I'm like, okay, so now I'm looking at my long list of self care. I already do my wine and chocolate intake that maybe has to change. Now I have to watch all the things that are communicating with my brain and my gut health and all this. It just seems like more fucking work to keep myself in any sort of stable place. And I already feel like I'm working really fucking hard all day every day. Well, let's think about this. Information is power. Knowledge is power. And so if we're putting it out there right now that we are non experts in this, we're more just like hashing this out. We're like girlfriends in our 40s being like, fuck, this is all on the horizon. It's definitely been I know there's dabbles on my end and I'm like, all right, Raymond, just get your shit together and just don't how did I say don't ignore it. But what can you do? So I feel like opera delight. There's a gift right there. If we have listeners that are like, low sex drive, sex hurts. I'm not getting wet the same. That's a piece I think you touch on meditation often. I don't meditate enough as often as I should, thankfully. My awesome practice is really strong, but it's like the reducing of the stress. So here we are. We're non experts, but I think this is where we have the opportunity to give some gifts out there of how we're managing this. You're not alone. Talk about it. And I think the talking about it, for me, that sense of community around just challenging. I don't even think that's not the right word. Not as common to talk about whether for us it was talking about vibrators, it's talking about the patriarchy, talking about anything that would sometimes kind of have certain we don't talk about that. That's the hush hush. It's like we can't hush hush about it. We need the empathy and the compassion in the community that people understand what women are going through. And I think our programs deserve it too, because for them, it helps them stay clear of the fucking dumpster fire that we might be stealing. Yeah, it gets hectic over here. Despite the challenges of brain fog, extra weight, hot flashes, gray hair, dry, pussy insomnia, turning 40 is fucking bad. I echo all of that and I love well, I love you, my friend. But the other piece is what you are just doing in terms of that kind of don't be afraid audience is I also think we need mentors and friends within this so we can see the beauty on the other side. Don't worry, you're going to kind of get through this. Or here was great. I think of some of the women in my life that are really educated. They're naturopaths and they do amazing things with like hormone and diet and it's like there are resources and avenues to navigate this so we just don't have to do it alone. And then I think it comes down to not having it be the suffering in silence and the hush hush. Yes. For our younger fabulous women, when we're half naked on the chair lift or in the skin drags, we're having a hot flash and it's snowing and 32 degrees. Just understand why. Right? Exactly. Just give have a little bit of empathy for us. Give us a bit of grace. We are your elders now.

Participant #1:
I decided a long time ago that being a bitch was not a bad thing and that I was not put on this planet to make other people happy. I was not put on this planet to be nice to people. We've had conversations here before about the difference between being kind and being nice. Like, I'm not nice and I don't really see any reason to be nice. I'm 100% a bitch and I kind of really own it and love it and don't have a problem with it and wanted to talk about that with you. Well, you would think that at this point, this conversation around the conversation around women in particular, not having to show up and please everybody and that we need to really be able to advocate for ourselves and it's okay to say no and it's okay to state your demands and it's okay to communicate and to communicate in the way that is comfortable for you. You would think that by the year 2021 that we would have made a little bit more progress. But it's interesting because I feel like there's definitely groups of people who embrace strong women, but even that is bullshit. If you're a bitch. You're strong. Well, what if see, here I am even falling into it. Why is bitchiness equated to being strong when you can be strong in so many different ways? But also, being a bitch also doesn't necessarily make you strong. But we put those two things together, right? Like, society tells us that strong women, the way that we exist in the world, is as bitches. I definitely do. I'm just saying that I know not all women fall within that category that were a little bit more complex with that. Like, I know a number of very, very strong women who I actually don't think are bitches at all. Like, they're actually like some of the loveliest human beings. You're definitely a bitch, Jillian. But that's why we get along so well. Yes, and I wouldn't expect anything less from you on any given day. I mean, bitches are really such a benign word. What do you think about the word cut? How do you feel about cunt? What do you love about it? Well, part of what I love about is the reaction you get from other people when it's used.

Participant #1:
I mean, I also like profanity a lot. I like using it. I think there's value in it in conversation in our society. I guess what I would tell you I don't like it is if it's used in a way that would be derogatory. And I've actually had to do this with talk about needing to like I don't even know what boss bitch this is teacher bitch. I've literally had to unpack the word pussy and cunt with students as young as, like, 8th grade in terms of them calling other students pussy and Kant in a derogatory way. And me, literally, yes. This is where I went to be like, you think pussy is a bad thing? And then the kids are all like and I'm like, well, think about it. Let's put this in contact to young male students. And here I am being like, am I literally having this conversation with an adolescent boy who could literally be like, yeah, because I'm like, do you see how when you say that you make it something bad when it's actually something good that you potentially want? Again, this is why I'm getting fired every other week. Sorry. Not sorry. Mature audiences only. But I don't like it in any way where it's used. But I do like, yeah, I like profanity. I love words that celebrate the vagina. Get back to me to get a booster, wear a mask, don't be an asshole. Really think about what the words we and us in community mean. And Google white feminism and go get fucked if you're pissed off by what we're saying right now,

Participant #1:
baby, I was.