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Johanna Almstea...: Hello everyone. I am menu planning for my next guests and it is so cold. It's actually the middle of a blizzard right now and I'm sick of the winter-hearty foods. So I'm actually going to go hearkening back to a beautiful trip I had in Sardinia a couple summers ago. And I am going to do a big Italian feast, but a little lighter than normal just because I am feeling like I need to channel some summary vibes. So I'm going to start with a really delicious crispy antipasto salad. So you do a little bit of iceberg lettuce, actually, I know it's not very nutritious, but it's delicious. And you do little fresh bocconcini, like the little fresh mozzarella balls with some Genoa salami and pepperoncini or marinated banana peppers, some green olives, and you do a little lemon red wine vinaigrette.
So I'm going to start with that. And then I'm going to do a little fritto misto, so a little bit of shrimp, a little calamari, some veggies, zucchini, mushrooms, eggplant, that all battered in. It's almost like a little tempura batter. And then I'm going to serve that with a creamy aioli on the side. And then for the main course, I'm going to do a take on this pasta that I had when I was in Sardinia. It's orecchiette with sausage and peas and tomatoes and saffron with the little olive oil and white wine. And then you top it with a really, really nice salty pecorino cheese. Yum, yum, yum, yum. So good. It's still hearty, still will warm us up in this cold, cold weather, but just a little bit more interesting and flavorful.
To drink, to drink. What are we going to drink? I think I might start with some bubbles. I think with the antipasto salad, I've been liking this idea of a little sweet, something sweet to go along with the salty. So maybe I'll start with a little Lambrusco to start. And then with the fritto misto, maybe I'll do a Vermentino, a white. And then I think for the Sardinian sausage saffron pasta, I'm going to do maybe like a Montepulciano. Yeah. My next guests today are so smart and lively and creative and fun. I'm feeling for music maybe, like I'm going to go a little old school, a little Stevie Wonder, maybe a little Cyndi Lauper, a little bit of The Cure, a little Madonna. I feel like it might turn into a little bit of a dance party because these two are joyful and creative and fun, and I'm so excited for you guys to get to meet them. So let's dig in.
Hello everyone and welcome to Eat My Words. I am really like jazzed today. I'm excited. I have two guests today that have created something that I believe everyone, literally everyone on the planet can benefit from and that the world needs more of. They are lifelong creativity advocates, design thinkers, and mess makers who have spent their careers helping others connect with their innate creativity. One was the co-founder and chief creative officer of Stella & Dot, and has been featured in incredible places like Ink, Fast Company, Vogue France, and Elle, and on the Today Show.Her partner the other spent over a decade as a vice president at Sotheby's, so fancy, before launching a career as an artist, designer, and creative director. Her work has been featured in Vogue and exhibited at the Museum of Arts and Design in New York.
In 2020, they teamed up to launch Daily Creative to help people everywhere turn creativity into a daily wellness practice through low lift activities that spark joy, strengthen mental agility, and decrease stress. Their book, the Daily Creative, the Five Minute Habit to Rewire Your Brain is being published by Chronicle Books and comes out today on February 24th, 2026. They are mothers, they are daughters, they are wives, they are travelers, they are artists, they are pet moms, and they are best friends. Blythe Harris and Mallory May, welcome to Eat My Words.
Blythe Harris: Thank you.
Mallory May: Hi, thank you.
Johanna Almstea...: Hi, thank you for being here. I know this is a really, really busy time leading up to the launch of your book. How exciting. I am feeling like very jazzed and inspired because I spent several hours yesterday with your book doing the exercises, and I feel like my brain has been ignited in a new way. I'm telling you, it's so exciting.
Blythe Harris: Amazing. That's what we want to hear. Very exciting.
Johanna Almstea...: Yeah. So I want to talk more about the actual book later, but I'd love to start with both of your journeys and where you both started and how you found each other and how we got to this point today where you're launching a book together. Mallory, can you tell me where did your journey begin?
Mallory May: Well, my journey really began from the minute I could hold a pen. I mean, as a lifelong creative who was obsessed with drawing from an early age, I would take anything I could find, old ledger paper of my dad's and draw on it. And my parents recently sent me a portfolio of all these drawings that literally look crazy that I did when I was four and a half. So I think for me, creativity has always been a place where I could escape into my inner world, and that led me down a path of discovery and art classes at school. And ultimately I became an art history major, and that's what led me to Sotheby's. But I feel like I've always been meant to be an artist and ended up where I am today creating this book because I wanted to share this with everyone because I think everyone can really access this universal power that is creativity.
Johanna Almstea...: Amazing. Blythe, how about you? Where did your journey begin?
Blythe Harris: I would say my journey has been more of a balance of left brain, right brain. I've actually always loved math and physics, but was also always drawing. And I've always loved adornment, like the idea of adding creativity to your style through accessories. So I actually made jewelry from a very young age. And I liked drawing, but it really wasn't until college when one teacher really turned me on to drawing and painting and helped me understand that it was less about getting it perfect and the finished product and more about feeling into what you were drawing. And it really opened a whole new world for me and I ended up double majoring in painting and drawing in college.
And then my journey became very entrepreneurial after college. I co-founded a toy company and we baked little toy parts in the oven and ended up launching it at Toy Fair and it was an incredible product, but we then lost control of the company because we didn't manage our cashflow. So then I went to business school because I was like, these are tools that every creative person who has an idea should know. It's very empowering to know how to bring an idea to life and then also how to maintain control of it. So I went to business school, which is actually was a pivotal moment in my life, not because of the curriculum, but I met Curtis, Mallory's husband, which is who eventually led me to Mallory, who has been really a creative collaborator and dear friend for almost 20 years.
Johanna Almstea...: 16? Yeah.
Blythe Harris: Yeah. So that was probably one of the most pivotal things to happen.
Johanna Almstea...: Yeah. And I love that you had the wit, or maybe it's because you felt the loss so early of losing control of your company. I feel like that balance between art and commerce and between creative execution and business execution is so hard for so many creative people. They feel like they either, I just actually interviewed somebody who was like, "My dream is to have a business partner." Because she's a creative. Right?
Blythe Harris: Yeah.
Johanna Almstea...: And she's like, "I just want the business partner to come and take care of all that stuff so I don't have to think about it and I can only just be creative." And I think it's such a hard balance for a lot of people.
Mallory May: It is so hard. I feel like Blythe is a unicorn in that way.
Johanna Almstea...: I was going to say, I feel like you're rare.
Blythe Harris: Well, just because of the experiences I've had, I was, well, I'll jump ahead to my business partner with Stella & Dot was very much a balance with me. She was definitely the business one and I was the creative one. And this experience partnering with Mallory, bestie and fellow creative, fellow mess maker, as we say, has been an entirely different and wonderful experience in different ways. I learned so much from my former partner, Jessica, about business, about strategy, about managing a board, about just all of those aspects. And then now with Mallory, I would say we've really been in a state of flow. It's just been very collaborative and easy in a different way, which has been wonderful.
Mallory May: Yeah. I agree.
Johanna Almstea...: What do you attribute that to? Why do you think that works so well?
Mallory May: I would attribute it to authenticity. Finding something that we both are truly passionate about and being excited to bring it to the world and it does. It just feels like it's been in a flow since we started.
Johanna Almstea...: That's so amazing. I just actually, I was just reading an article in the New York Times, I was just trying to pull it up on my phone, saying that creativity and the arts is the forgotten fifth pillar of health. This idea that tapping into your creativity and experiencing art and creativity, even for a few minutes a day has tangible effects on our mental and physical health. I was like, oh my God, we have to talk about this with you guys because that's what you guys are doing, right? It's exactly what you're doing to bring the world.
Mallory May: One hundred percent.
Blythe Harris: We could talk about-
Mallory May: On hundred percent.
Blythe Harris: ... this all day. We feel like creativity is one of the most underutilized tools for well-being that there is. There's a lot of people who understand the benefits of a wellness practice, for instance, like meditation, but they just don't have the attention spans, especially in our social media era with the dopamine hits of these fast, fast videos to sit and meditate or to sit and write out three pages of a journal in the morning. So we created this for short attention spans and to allow everybody to tap into the benefits of having a creativity practice.
Johanna Almstea...: So yeah. Can you tell our listeners what the premise of this book is? So when they get it, what are they going to do?
Blythe Harris: So the premise of the book is that creativity is not a fixed, innate trait. It's something that you can practice and nourish in order to tap into your innate creativity. So the book is a very easy way for people to spend five minutes every morning. We love habit stacking, so I do it with my coffee. I have my kids do exercises in the book before they get on their phones in the morning. But the premise is you're spending five minutes on a really fun, very accessible exercise that requires no technical skill, no background in art, but helps you get into a state of creativity and creative flow, which has benefits such as lowering stress and anxiety, increasing flexibility in your brain. It's really great for dementia prevention and just keeping your brain flexible and alive, and it also decreases bias. There's just all these incredible benefits, but the main thing is we want you to start your day with a creative practice because it brings more joy to your day and it literally visibly affects your mood.
Johanna Almstea...: I love it. I can say firsthand after doing it yesterday, I was like, whoa, I feel better. This is great.
Blythe Harris: Yay.
Mallory May: Yeah. I mean I want to add is when creativity becomes a habit, which is so worth trying to get yourself into, just even like Blythe said for five minutes, inspiration learns where to find you.
Johanna Almstea...: I love that.
Mallory May: And it really is magic. You find the magic inside of you. It's a source of power and it's so rewarding. In addition to all of these benefits, it's just really helps you get in touch with yourself and into your inner world in a way that's incredible.
Blythe Harris: I love that you said magic because I do think that's the most important thing. Over 75% of people have a very fixed mindset that they are not creative. And when we learned that statistic, it became a passion to help more people tap into their creativity because we really believe that everybody has this wellspring of aliveness inside of them that creativity helps you tap into, and the thought that three quarters of people were not tapping into that was really just a huge opportunity for us. And I know this might sound like a stretch, but we really believe that if more people tapped into their creativity, the world would be a better place.
Johanna Almstea...: Amen to that.
Blythe Harris: I mean, just take the one benefit of inspiring more open-mindedness and less bias. Think of the divisive world we're in right now and imagine if more people could really open their mind and tap into more flexibility, it would be incredible.
Johanna Almstea...: I also love this idea that I think the first probably layer of the audience who's going to get this is people who already do think of themselves as creative. There's already people who are like, "Yes, I just need a practice. I need time to do it." Or whatever. I think that's who's going to be drawn to it also because it's beautiful and I just want to sit and look at all the beautiful art inside, but I love your guys' message of like, hey CEO of a bank, hey engineer, hey lawyer, you too can find the creativity in you. And when you do find the creativity in you, it's going to make you a better CEO lawyer, engineer, whatever it is. That you don't have to be a creative to be creative.
Mallory May: Yes, yes.
Blythe Harris: A hundred percent. If you think of yourself as not creative, we're coming for you. We're on it. I'm actually doing a sales call with 1,500 global clients at Jeffrey's Bank.
Johanna Almstea...: Amazing.
Blythe Harris: Because their leaders at that bank are recognizing that this is a quality that their teams need to have to compete in today's world. And so I think that leaders in other industries are waking up to the fact that with so much being automated with AI and everything that exists out there, that actually creativity is one of the few traits that as humans, we really need to foster. So we're at a really exciting moment right now for creativity and really getting people to think of themselves not as creatives as a noun, but really as creativity that everybody has as a trait inside of them.
Johanna Almstea...: I also think it's beautiful timing because I feel like the pendulum has swung one way, which was so much social media, so much technology, so much scrolling and zoning out and whatever. And I feel, and maybe this is just personally, but I'm hoping that the world is understanding now. We're seeing the effects of what that does to people and we're seeing the way our brain is getting-
Mallory May: Getting wired. Yeah.
Johanna Almstea...: Yeah, wired and-
Blythe Harris: Totally.
Johanna Almstea...: ... not as spicy. It's getting duller, I think. And so this I feel like is coming at a time when the pendulum is swinging back of being like, hey guys, we need to get a little analog here. I was just thinking about how I spent several hours with the book yesterday, and I loved the doodling with both hands. That part was, I was like, this is wild. And I was trying to notice how I felt physically afterwards. I was like, this feels very different than having spent an hour scrolling on Instagram or TikTok. My brain feels different, my head feels different. My neurons are firing in a different way. And so I think that it's great timing and a great way to make that feel very accessible and digestible for people. You don't have-
Mallory May: A hundred percent.
Johanna Almstea...: ... go to a painting class, you can just doodle for five minutes instead of scrolling for five minutes.
Mallory May: Yeah, just play.
Blythe Harris: It's not about output.
Mallory May: Yeah, it's just about the process. And we actually call it an open-eyed meditation because it has similar effects, but even then some.
Johanna Almstea...: I just had this thought, my house is like a boarding house half the time. We have so many people who come and stay here. I have nieces and their friends and friends from out of town and whatever. And I was like, oh my God, I need to order a bunch of these and put them in the guest room and everyone has to take one. And then it made me think, you guys need to do a deal with hotels so that hotel guests always get one of these.
Mallory May: Good idea.
Blythe Harris: Oh my God.
Mallory May: Brilliant.
Blythe Harris: We need you to be our biz staff.
Mallory May: Yeah.
Johanna Almstea...: That's so sweet.
Mallory May: Biz staff. You're hired.
Johanna Almstea...: But I'm like, imagine if you walked into a beautiful hotel. There's so many hotels I feel like especially who are trying to focus on a creative experience and whatever, multi-sensorial experience, and you got to have one of these and then take it home.
Blythe Harris: I love that.
Johanna Almstea...: Anyway.
Blythe Harris: The other thing we've talked about, which is very relevant to you too and why you started this podcast is we love the idea of Daily Creative supper clubs and bringing together people in person. And so we're actually launching on our website a supper club kit, so you can-
Johanna Almstea...: I love that.
Blythe Harris: ... get 10 books to host a dinner party, and then we'll give you instructions and links to materials so that you can host your own Daily Creative supper club.
Johanna Almstea...: Oh my gosh.
Blythe Harris: Which I think it's such a great way to bring people together.
Johanna Almstea...: Totally.
Blythe Harris: And also to touch on the analog trend you're talking about, and now please jump in, but we're definitely seeing that as a trend on social media, especially the younger generation. They're really wanting to unplug, which is such an amazing trend. And this concept of creating an analog kit, one of the ways to increase creativity in your life is really to remove impediments. So having a kit ready to go with your book or your sketch pad and your materials in a little tote bag or a pouch where you can just pick it up and take it to a quiet place for an hour without having to run around your house and gather materials is one way that people are making it easier to unplug. And we love tapping into that trend.
Johanna Almstea...: I love that.
Mallory May: Hundred percent.
Johanna Almstea...: I love that. Okay. I'm seeing an Eat My Words and Daily Creative dinner party in our future.
Mallory May: Yes.
Blythe Harris: I love it.
Mallory May: I'm very excited about this.
Blythe Harris: I love it.
Johanna Almstea...: Okay, so you guys touched a little bit on your partnership. I would love to talk about, because I'm fascinated with partnership. I'm also fascinated with partnership between women because I think it's can be, it is multilayered and can be dicey, can be beautiful, it can be all kinds of things. How do you guys manage disagreement in partnership with each other? Or do you ever disagree?
Mallory May: I mean, yes, we do, but I think it's funny because Blythe's husband refuses to play tennis with us because we're way too nice to each other. I think we have very similar personalities in a lot of ways. I always say that we're separated at birth except Blythe is a math genius and I'm the opposite. I think that we are both very open and listen to each other's opinions and remain super open to listening and understanding each other's perspectives and making the best decision for Daily Creative.
Blythe Harris: I would also say, Mallory, I have noticed you becoming more and more direct-
Mallory May: Yes, that's New York.
Blythe Harris: ... over the course of our friendship, and I've really appreciated that in this project that I know that you'll speak up if something's not sitting well. And I've noticed you become more and more direct. And I feel like I've become more and more direct over the past 10 years. So I think that that's key to any partnership is having the psychological safety to express disagreement and know that it will be received as feedback and without reactivity. And I think that that's been really key. And also that we share almost an unspoken visual language and way of communicating and way of collaborating that is really through the images we've been passing back and forth. We did all of the artwork, which is about 60 pieces of artwork in the book.
Mallory May: It's so beautiful.
Blythe Harris: And it was very seamless who did what. We never had a spreadsheet of this person's doing this. We just naturally passed the artwork back and forth. And so having that as part of our relationship, I think just provides a great mattress for any other potential friction.
Johanna Almstea...: And I think that's huge as an artistic person, as a visual person, if you have a trust in someone else that they're going to get you and your visual vibes and your aesthetic tastes and all that. I feel like that's huge.
Blythe Harris: Well, and I'm the biggest fan, literally everything that Mallory does in terms of a drawing or any sort of art or any mark, I'm like, "Oh my God, that's genius."
Mallory May: I was actually going to say that because I have not always been confident about the things that I make. But Blythe has always been such a cheer leader, and so she's my safe space. And that has huge, it's allowed me to open up. It's allowed me to do things I might be scared to do with anyone else. So in a way, having this business with her feels like the safest space where thoughts can be shared freely, where we can be very honest with each other and not have to hold back if we're feeling something. We really have learned how to walk through this in the best way, I think.
Johanna Almstea...: That's so beautiful and so meaningful. That's huge.
Blythe Harris: We've also found that we have complimentary skill sets.
Mallory May: Yes.
Blythe Harris: Like Mallory turns out to be our head of technology-
Mallory May: Tech support.
Blythe Harris: ... which I never would've thought. And she's surprisingly anal about grammar, which came in really handy for turning in the book. And she's like an editor and writer from her years at Sotheby's, which I had no idea, and I'm not good at those things. So she stepped in on that. I stepped in on my, I'm from New Jersey, so I'm like more salesy but better at-
Mallory May: Blythe is really such the visionary behind this whole concept and idea. And she ran creative teams at Stella & Dot for so many years and really had this passion to share all that she learned there with the world in a way where we were impacting the world. I mean, as older people with children, we really wanted to do something that impacted the world in a positive way, and this was her vision. And I felt very honored and lucky to be a part of it.
Johanna Almstea...: Oh, that's so beautiful. I think it is going to change the world. I think it is.
Blythe Harris: I hope it does. I mean, we want to eventually have Daily Creative supper clubs where people from different sides of the political aisle are sitting down together. And this is a shared fun activity that hopefully creates more open dialogue. So we know it's just one small slice of what we could impact, but we do have big ambitions for it.
But one more thing on the partnership. I do think the concept of love languages and relationships, I do think every friendship and partnership has its own language. And this language I've had with Mallory is very different than I've had in the past with my co-founder of Stella & Dot, who I was with for 15 years, building something incredible. Our communication language was often heated debate where sometimes the employees would be like, "Mommy and daddy are fighting." And we'd be like, "No, we're just sparring. We're giving each other intellectual..." We're going at each other very rigorously and intellectually. And I think that you have to find your own natural rhythm and resonance with whoever you're working with and whatever project you're working on, and find a groove of communication style that works for that specific situation. And that might change from job to job or context to context.
Johanna Almstea...: I love that idea that-
Mallory May: That's a great point.
Johanna Almstea...: ... you might play a different role in a different partnership. In this one, it doesn't sound like you spar much, right? But you as an individual can say, "Okay, I was the sparring partner in this other partnership that was successful and it was good, But that wouldn't work in this one." Right.
Mallory May: Yeah. But I would say we embrace radical honesty. So if one of us creates something and the other one is like, "You cannot put that in the world." We are pretty honest and straightforward with each other, but with kindness.
Blythe Harris: Yeah. Mallory's given me a no with a capital N a few times.
Johanna Almstea...: In her lovely Southern way.
Blythe Harris: Yeah. No, she really steps up, which she's got very strong visual opinions that I very much trust.
Johanna Almstea...: So I learned as I was researching you guys that you both have incredible fine art practices on your own, and I now am lusting after work from both of you. I was like, oh, I have a lot of blank walls that need some of these gorgeous pieces. And you both seem to be living very multi-layered creative lives. Do you guys have any tricks or habits or routines or rituals that you do daily other than the Daily Creative to ensure that you can continue this level of flow and this level of clear communication with each other? Do you guys have your own little practices that you do?
Blythe Harris: I have to be real, not right now because we've been really busy promoting the book. And I think that's just the reality is sometimes you're going to have times in your life that your executive functioning and more of your left brain is just like, it's just grind, grind, grind. But in general, I would say having multiple outlets for creative practice I think is really helpful because they inform each other, whether it's cooking, gardening, and drawing, or listening to music and taking noticing walks where you have focused attention and you're really, really taking in things from the world. Or for me, I love making some jewelry on the side and doing some painting or printmaking, but I really think it's helpful to have a range, almost like a menu of creative outlets because they all inform each other.
Mallory May: I agree. And there's so many ways to be creative that you may not think of as creative. For example, walking and collecting rocks on the beach or noticing colors as you're walking around the city. And I think embracing those moments while being in the present. So instead of having your headphones on or being talking and multitasking, it's occasionally good to just look and notice if you're walking to work in the morning. And those can really contribute to your creativity, contribute to your wellness. And then some activities are more, as Blythe said, getting up in the morning and doing a little creative exercise or painting or drawing. But all of them count.
Blythe Harris: And what's really fun is actually the main medium that both Mallory and I are working in right now and where we're selling our work is printmaking. So when we are together in the summer, we actually do printmaking together. We set up a table in Mal's backyard, and we're actually practicing that together and experimenting and making work. And that's probably the work that you saw on our website.
Johanna Almstea...: Yeah, it's beautiful. Really beautiful. So you talked a bit little bit about now because you're busy with this book and promoting this book and launching this book, you're sacrificing a little bit of that artistic time. You both have had very long and storied and successful careers and lives up until now. What are some other sacrifices that you've made along the way? Because I think it's really important, it's very easy to look at you both and say, "Well, look at them, very successful, and they're making prints in the summer together, and they're launching books easily." You make it all look very easy.
Mallory May: No.
Johanna Almstea...: And so I always like to talk about what are some sacrifices that you've made along the way?
Mallory May: I mean, I would say for me, one of my biggest challenges when I was younger, I think I was in my late twenties, I ended my job and started working for myself. Basically started a business with no money. I was actually in debt, and I was living in New York City with this incredible rent that I had to pay. And in a way that sacrificed my mental health because it was so difficult, but I grew so much. It was also a little isolating. I really missed working in a corporate office where I was around people all the time. I discovered that about myself, that I really loved being around people and working with the team, but I couldn't have gotten there without taking that step and taking that risk. But it was really hard.
And later in life, once I had kids, there were sacrifices there too where I was working, and then I didn't get as much time with my kids and all of it together, it's like you just have to figure it out on your own and really listen to yourself to try to figure out a system and a setup that for you. But it's not going to be easy. And it's good to go through the difficult parts or the failures, because that's where the growth happens.
Johanna Almstea...: What about you, Blythe?
Blythe Harris: I would say I'm going to first touch on a hurdle and then some sacrifices. But when I was working on the toy company when I was 22, I was hit by an eighteen-wheeler truck while-
Johanna Almstea...: I watched your TED Talk about it.
Blythe Harris: ... crossing the street in San Francisco and was caught under the axle, dragged a block and a half, and actually rescued by an incredible good Samaritan who found a piece of construction equipment to drive over to the truck to lift it up enough. Was still pronounced dead on arrival by the paramedics. Spent several months in the hospital, then was told I was going to be in a wheelchair. I had spinal cord damage. So I basically spent two years really rehabbing from that and made an really incredible recovery. But during that process, I really had to give up a lot of the exciting career stuff that was happening in terms of the toy company. But I discovered an incredible grit and will and resolve that really served me later, and I still feel like I'm the luckiest person ever to have emerged from that experience.
Johanna Almstea...: I would say that was more than a hurdle.
Blythe Harris: Yeah, yeah. No, it sounds like a metaphor, but it's actually-
Johanna Almstea...: I mean, people say all the time, "I could get hit by a bus tomorrow." You did.
Blythe Harris: Exactly. When my husband, when he has a cold and he is like, "I feel like I'm hit by a truck." I'm like, "Nope."
Johanna Almstea...: Nope.
Blythe Harris: "Nope."
Johanna Almstea...: That's not a metaphor we use in this house.
Blythe Harris: "Taken. Taken." So that was a big, big turning point because I had to... When you're in your twenties, everybody's like, "What do you do? What do you do? What do you do?" And I had to literally stop out of life for a bit and just focus on recovery and also had a brain injury. And that really forced me to dig into who I was without what I did.
Johanna Almstea...: Right.
Blythe Harris: And it almost reset my base level for feeling successful or happy. It was basically living was a win. So-
Johanna Almstea...: But then you went on to found a crazy successful company. It's not like you were like, "I'm going to sit back on my laurels now that I've survived this."
Blythe Harris: Well, I think it gave me a fearlessness, which I was always more of a risk taker, but it definitely gave me, why not? I'm just going to throw myself out there. So I went to Parsons in Paris on a scholarship for students who had already been out of school and were working a bit as a visiting artist. I learned welding. I went to Mexico. I mean, this was after I got out of the wheelchair, obviously, went to Mexico, learned how to make jewelry, and then I went to business school because I was like, I'm not starting something else without understanding cashflow, operations, all that. And then I knew I needed more experience. So I went to work for LVMH, Louis Vuitton Moët Hennessy in London and Paris to have had amazing management training program.
Then I came back, worked for Banana Republic, helped launch their jewelry program. And then at my 10-year reunion, met Jessica who had become my co-founder of Stella & Dot, and we created Stella & Dot, named it after our grandma's. And she had had this incredible vision and actually was running a company based on trying to put more updated product in the direct selling channel. And we redefined that business model as social selling where people were selling product through their social networks. But we held the inventory and the whole mission of our company was to create successful female entrepreneurs. And that became a huge ride for the next 15 years. And I would say there were so many sacrifices and trade-offs in being in that hyper growth environment. We grew from zero to 30 million in the first year, 30 to a hundred in the second, and then we were over $200 million company within four years. And it was just holding on for dear life.
Johanna Almstea...: I was going to say, buckle up.
Blythe Harris: Trying to hire more bodies, hand over fist, trying to constantly replace myself. And that coincided, the beginning of Stella & Dot in those first four years coincided with me having my two kids and having babies and toddlers. And my husband is also an entrepreneur and was experiencing hyper growth at his company. So I would say that was so exciting. But looking back, I made a lot of sacrifices for spending time with my kids. And I really wrestle with that today, and I think everything is trade-offs, and I had that incredible experience, and I feel so proud of the work that Stella & Dot has done. We've paid out over 2 billion in commissions to women in seven countries, hundreds of thousands of women. So that I'm very, very proud of. And would I say my kids have some attachment insecurity? Yes, they're finally growing out of it, but for a while in middle school, it's like they really needed me, needed me, and I did, just being real, reflect on, okay, how much was that? Because I was traveling all the time or distracted.
So I think it's something that every working mom wrestles with in general. I feel pretty good about my balance sheet because I feel like I created something that I'm really proud of. And then when they were in middle school after COVID, I decided to step out of Stella & Dot, and I've been able to be really present with them as teenagers, which turns out to be actually a very important time emotionally to be there. And I have realized it's really not about the hours you spend, it's about your presence in those hours. So I've become a lot better about not being distracted when they're coming to talk to me.
Johanna Almstea...: Yeah. I mean, the middle school thing is so real.
Mallory May: It is.
Johanna Almstea...: And someone said this to me, my boss at Ralph Lauren when I was 20 and didn't know anything. She was like, "Listen, work really, really hard when your kids are little, when they're really little. This is going to sound counterintuitive. It's not going to make any sense. When they're babies, someone else can take care of them. You feel like you need to be there because you just gave birth to them, or you just got them however you got them, but you actually don't need to be the one all the time. But as they get older, it needs to be you." And now I have a 12-year-old, my eldest is 12, and I'm like, yep.
Mallory May: Yeah.
Johanna Almstea...: There's no delegating this conversation to somebody else.
Mallory May: It's so true.
Johanna Almstea...: This is real.
Blythe Harris: And you don't want to delegate it because it's those conversations that are actually shaping them, that porous time in middle school and high school where their values and their identity are being shaped. I do think that's the most important time. And I'm not recommending to women that they quit their job and stay home during middle school and high school years. It's about just having those touch points throughout the day where you're really-
Johanna Almstea...: Figuring out how to be [inaudible 00:36:58]
Blythe Harris: ... present and listening and really tuned in. And yeah, I think that is the most important time.
Mallory May: Yeah.
Johanna Almstea...: It's really valuable. And it is, again, it's like you don't need to quit your job and just stay home just because they're in middle school, but I think you have to find a way to be around them, be present with them.
Blythe Harris: Exactly. And I think that if I have any regret with having young kids and doing Stella & Dot, it was my level of intensity, my level of not being able to totally unplug, not having [inaudible 00:37:31] during that time.
Johanna Almstea...: Right. Right.
Blythe Harris: So I want to make a distinction between that. And I think as an entrepreneur, it's sometimes hard to find that balance. Like you have two babies, you've got your business and you've got your real babies.
Mallory May: Yeah, it is a balance. And I think also it's important for kids to see you succeeding and doing something you're passionate about.
Blythe Harris: Totally.
Mallory May: So valuing that too.
Blythe Harris: Yes, absolutely.
Johanna Almstea...: So I don't know if your kids are old enough yet or interested enough to listen to this podcast, but once they are, what do you want them to know about this journey that you've gone to this far as a mother and as a working mother and as a creative person, as a business person, as a writer, as an artist, what do you want them to know about this time?
Blythe Harris: Well, for me, I think one value I really want to pass on is how are you showing up for yourself? How are you showing up for your family and loved ones? And then how are you showing up for the world? And I feel like what I hope that they're proud of at Stella & Dot was how many women's lives we touched as part of that journey, and that I was focusing on something bigger than just our family and our nuclear community. And then also balancing that out with trying to be home as much as I could and really being present for them when they needed it the most. And that it's really important to pick something outside of yourself, outside of your very local community that you're passionate about and that can have an impact.
Johanna Almstea...: Yeah, that's huge. What about you, Mallory?
Mallory May: I would say that I want my kids to know that to me, they're my greatest achievement and they've brought me so much joy and still are bringing me so much joy. And then I guess I would say the value that I would want them to know is that failure is not shameful, but it's actually almost like a data point from which you are growing. So they've seen me in situations where I failed and I'm glad that they have because I want them to not be afraid to try things, take risks, and basically take their failures in stride and learn that it's from that point that they're going to thrive.
Johanna Almstea...: That's so funny you say it's like a data point. I just realized I say that to my kids a lot. I'll just say like, "Well, so this is new information that we have."
Mallory May: Oh, I love that. That's a great way to say it.
Johanna Almstea...: That's one of the things I say.
Blythe Harris: Love that.
Johanna Almstea...: I'm like, "So this is information. We've got it. Now we know we can store it in the back of our brains. And we just know moving forward that this is something that's maybe hard for us or maybe..."
Mallory May: That's great.
Johanna Almstea...: Yeah. That's funny-
Mallory May: That's really great.
Johanna Almstea...: ... when you were like, "A data point." Well, I was just about to ask you, what is an achievement that you're most proud of other than your kids because allowed to say your kids also, but since you said them already, Mallory, what else are you proud of?
Mallory May: Well, obviously the book. If you had told me that I was going to write a book even three years ago, I'm not sure I would've believed it. So I just feel so grateful that it's something we've written, also something we've illustrated, that's a dream come true. And being able to put something positive out into the world just feels incredible.
Johanna Almstea...: How about you, Blythe?
Blythe Harris: I would say that I've raised two really kind humans. I'm going to flip flop with Mallory. I'm going to talk about-
Mallory May: I already took the book, so sorry.
Blythe Harris: Two sensitive empaths.
Johanna Almstea...: That is helping the world too, isn't it?
Blythe Harris: Gosh.
Johanna Almstea...: Just to the point of business, I want to ask you guys that you guys did the illustrations. Was that a struggle with your publisher? Did they want somebody else to illustrate it, or is that always something that you guys just came in with?
Mallory May: We went in and pitched it with this somewhat foreign concept with our illustrations. So it didn't really come up. I think they were thrilled to be getting the full package.
Johanna Almstea...: Th full package.
Blythe Harris: Yeah. It was actually part of our contract. And we also, we are both visual perfectionists when it comes to layout.
Johanna Almstea...: I can tell.
Blythe Harris: So we did the illustrations and they probably got more input and more direction from us than anticipated on the exact layout, the exact size of everything, the placement of everything, the font. We were-
Mallory May: The color. Yeah.
Blythe Harris: ... very bossy-
Johanna Almstea...: I can imagine.
Blythe Harris: ... about the visual-
Johanna Almstea...: As one should be.
Blythe Harris: ...and the spec.
Johanna Almstea...: As one should be.
Mallory May: Not that we feel like they're perfect. I mean, in a way we wanted the illustrations to also be accessible. I don't think we feel that they're perfect, but we love them.
Johanna Almstea...: They're very beautiful. And one of the things we should tell people is the book is as beautiful as it is. It's meant to be scribbled in.
Mallory May: That's right.
Johanna Almstea...: It's meant to be written in.
Blythe Harris: Yes.
Mallory May: It's one of the tests.
Johanna Almstea...: I cheated and did mine on the PDF that I had already printed out of it. I was afraid to ruin mine, but I might have to order just a few more myself.
Mallory May: You did not pass the perfectionist test.
Johanna Almstea...: I did not.
Blythe Harris: Well, it is funny. We made it so your first test is actually, will you write in the book? But it is worth noting, the goal of the book is we present you about 60 options for what your daily practice could be, and then after you finish the book, after you've written it, then you can use scratch paper to go much deeper on one of those or a few of those practices. And it's interesting because if you'll notice in the book, we list the brain benefits of every single activity. So bilateral doodling, which you referenced in the beginning of the podcast, that is amazing because you're using both hands at once, which helps connect both hemispheres of your brain and it really helps create new neural pathways and it's instantly calming. So you can pick whichever few exercises really spoke to you. And then if you do that exercise every morning for let's say seven days or a month, new things start to emerge. You'll go deeper in your practice and really interesting things start to emerge. So then you can use scratch paper.
Johanna Almstea...: Right. I might start with just scratch paper because I'm failing the first test. I'm failing it. I have to get them for my kids because I feel like if I get them to write in them, they'll force me to do it too.
Blythe Harris: Yeah. It's really fun. After a while, even if you mess up, which there's no such thing, but you're not happy with one of the exercises, which is what we're trying to get you over, it's so fun to flip through the book and have this record.
Johanna Almstea...: Totally.
Blythe Harris: Just having morning practice, it's very satisfying.
Johanna Almstea...: Yeah. Well, it's funny, even some of the ones I created yesterday, I was like, these are chic. I like this. It's fun.
Mallory May: I do think it's designed that you will surprise yourself and the natural setup and ease of the exercise is going to produce something really cool no matter what you do. And that's true for everybody. And it's nice to have... Constraints are a concept that we talk about in the book. It's like a whole section, but actually the book in a way is a constraint that allows you to enter this practice of creativity and just quick prompts to get your brain going to try to find that flow. And that makes it a lot easier because you're not starting with a blank page.
Blythe Harris: Yeah.
Johanna Almstea...: Totally.
Blythe Harris: And just to touch on one other thing about the book, which I'm not sure we mentioned is we've peppered in learning sections throughout the book. So there's a whole section on understanding color theory, really breaking it down. What makes an appealing color combination? What are easy tricks you can use to make a great color combination? There's a whole section on elements of design and composition. There's a section on constraints, as Mallory said, how artists use constraints, meaning limitations to actually boost their creativity, constraints like the grid. And there's historical sections on why artists have used certain motifs like the spiral. So by the time you get to the end, you actually might surprise yourself by making pretty chic little doodles.
Johanna Almstea...: You might learn something in the process.
Blythe Harris: Yes. You might learn something. That's why we're actually referring to it as a interactive book, not just a journal, because there's all these learning sections.
Johanna Almstea...: Yeah. It's so much fun.
Mallory May: It's true. And it's not only drawing. There's some writing, there's an array of things.
Johanna Almstea...: And again, all of it's very simple. You're not diving into anything too long. Anyone can do any of these for five minutes. Right? Okay. So I always like to ask this question particularly of women because I think often we decide something about ourselves and carry it with us for a long time. Is there anything that you guys individually have once believed about yourself that you've now since outgrown?
Mallory May: I would say I don't fit in. I think as a kid maybe I felt that way, especially in middle school years as so many do. And if I were talking to my younger self, I would say, "Show up authentically and things will go well." Because I think when you really show up as yourself, you actually end up making connections. Even if you feel quirky and weird, people resonate with that.
Johanna Almstea...: Yeah. How about you, Blythe?
Blythe Harris: I would say that people need to like me in order for me to be effective, whereas actually people need to respect me in order for me to be effective. And so how to set a boundary in a way that strikes a good balance between being too harsh. Because I think when you're not good at naturally it, setting boundaries. Sometimes when you start to set a boundary, it sounds like really jarring. I would be like, okay.
Mallory May: You're like, we're just have to get through this.
Blythe Harris: Yeah. Totally.
Johanna Almstea...: You're like, "I'm going to say no."
Blythe Harris: What's that? Whereas actually just confidently and calmly setting a boundary in a way that feels more effortless because I'm not worried that it's going to make people not like me.
Johanna Almstea...: Not like you. Yeah. The setting boundaries thing, I think it's such a theme on this podcast. So many women talk about it, and I think particularly as we get to be in the middle section of our life, people are getting better at it, I think because they have less cares to give about being liked and about seeking approval. I think it's interesting. Yeah, for sure.
Mallory May: Yeah. And I don't feel like we're trained as women or girls growing up to do that properly.
Johanna Almstea...: Are you kidding me?
Mallory May: I mean, maybe they are now, but-
Blythe Harris: No. No, I agree.
Johanna Almstea...: I mean, I was a Presbyterian minister's daughter. You were not raised to have boundaries. I was raised to make sure everyone around me was happy.
Mallory May: Yes, exactly.
Blythe Harris: Well, also when... I don't want to speak for you, Mallory, but I would assume part of my identity has always been more easygoing, carefree, go with the flow. And I started to examine, wait, easygoing. That's because I just go along with what other people want sometimes. And I'm not talking about in business or school, I've always had a clear vision and path with that, but I'm talking about where to go for dinner or just if you attach too much to your own identity as easygoing and you are proud of that, that can sometimes get in the way of actually having a boundary.
Johanna Almstea...: Right.
Mallory May: I totally relate to that. I agree. Or you just cheat yourself because you're not following what you really want and then you're going down the wrong path in a way.
Johanna Almstea...: Yeah.
Blythe Harris: Right. And I think you're like this too, Mal, because I know you so well. I'm an immediate yes. If somebody asks me something, my immediate thing is, "Sure. Yeah." And just try to insert a pause and be like, wait, do I actually want that? Because it is my nature to be an immediate yes. And trying to just take a pause for myself and just ask myself, do I really want this before I say yes.
Johanna Almstea...: That's huge.
Mallory May: Which is really great a lot of the time to be that way.
Blythe Harris: Yeah.
Johanna Almstea...: Okay. Is there anything that you've said no to that you wish that you said yes to?
Mallory May: Oh my gosh.
Johanna Almstea...: Or do you just say yes too many times and not say no enough?
Blythe Harris: I know. I would say yes a lot. I would say I like my whole... I mean, this is from when I was little. I like to take big swings and big leaps and take big risks. So I think I've said yes to most significant things that were put in front of me as opportunities. I can't think of a regret.
Johanna Almstea...: How about you, Mallory?
Mallory May: Well, that's my favorite thing about Blythe because I'm a little bit the opposite. I think I was maybe a little, shy is the wrong word, but maybe nervous about taking huge risks. So I do, I have a lot of opportunities. I can't really put my finger on some. I mean, maybe it would be meeting someone and not going up to talk to them or asking the question I was dying to ask. I think I wish I'd been a little bit more having a Blythe attitude about going for it. And actually that's I think one of my favorite things about you, Blythe and the thing that I've learned and tried to cultivate in myself.
Johanna Almstea...: That's beautiful. How do you nourish yourselves these days? Because you guys got a lot going on.
Mallory May: I'm embarrassed to answer this.
Blythe Harris: You're embarrassed?
Mallory May: No. Well, I was just going to say right now it's probably either listening to a really great book or watching something on Netflix for an hour because our lives are just so busy. That is not the norm at all for me. It's usually taking an art class or spending a couple of hours working, but just being so busy. That's my honest answer for the past couple of months.
Blythe Harris: Mallory, I feel like you know what I'm going to say. I'm adamant about exercising every day. And not like I don't need to go to boot camp every day, but I am lucky to live on the side of a mountain, so I will at least go up the mountain with my dog. Not the whole mountain, but I'll at least go for a walk.
Mallory May: She will go up the whole mountain. I call her coach because in the summer she's my coach and I do whatever she tells me. But I've gone on a... She's like, "Do you want to go on a quick run?" When I went out to visit her in Mill Valley, and it was literally like the Ironman.
Johanna Almstea...: This is not a quick run.
Mallory May: This is not normal.
Johanna Almstea...: No.
Mallory May: This is not a jog. It was straight uphill for eight miles.
Johanna Almstea...: That's intense.
Blythe Harris: It's very much the culture here. I have a lot of my friends have full-time jobs and get up at 06:00 to do a trail run. Or-
Johanna Almstea...: You're in northern California.
Mallory May: I think that's amazing.
Johanna Almstea...: California, I feel like my friends in Northern California are also that way. They're very hardcore.
Blythe Harris: Well, I remember I complained to Jessica when things at Stella & Dot were so crazy. I was like, "I don't have time to exercise. I feel like I'm not taking care of my body." And she goes, "Everybody has a 05:00 AM."
Johanna Almstea...: She shamed you.
Blythe Harris: I'm not an early riser like that though, but I do carve out time to do something every day, move my body.
Johanna Almstea...: Okay. What are you dreaming about these days? I know you probably don't have a lot of time to dream, but I feel very, very strongly about women still dreaming at this point in our lives.
Blythe Harris: Oh my gosh, so much.
Johanna Almstea...: Okay, tell me. Tell me about that.
Mallory May: I have a good one.
Blythe Harris: Okay.
Johanna Almstea...: Okay, good.
Mallory May: Sorry, B to dive in.
Blythe Harris: Go for it. Go.
Mallory May: Now I'm assuming you mean dream, not like dream of night, but dream.
Johanna Almstea...: However you want to take it. There's no wrong answer here.
Mallory May: I have always dreamt of having a gallery show of my artwork, and that hopefully will come true one day. But interestingly, our book launch is at a friend's gallery, so that's pretty good.
Johanna Almstea...: So we're getting a step closer.
Mallory May: On step towards it. One step towards it.
Johanna Almstea...: Okay. So all those gallerists and people out there, if you're listening, Mallory May is ready for her show. Okay. Blythe, what about you?
Blythe Harris: Well, ditto. But also I would love to go do an artist residency somewhere, especially once my kids are in college. But I would love to go somewhere for a month and just really dive into my artistic point of view and create a body of work that is not full of constant pings and distractions and multitasking. That would be my dream.
Mallory May: That sounds like heaven.
Johanna Almstea...: My friend just did one a couple summers ago in Greece in this little tiny village in an island in Greece, and I was like, I mean, I still have young kids, so I was like, how does that, she doesn't have kids, but I was like, how does that even happen? And then I mean, she created some incredible work while she was there. I was like, that is, talk about dreamy. I mean, that is extraordinary.
Mallory May: We need to find out what that is.
Johanna Almstea...: Yes. I will let you know, because-
Mallory May: We're there.
Johanna Almstea...: ... it is life-changing. Life-changing. Okay, so I know you don't have any right now because you are launching this book, but what is your idea of a perfect day off when you are going to take one after this book hits the New York Times bestseller list, and you guys can kick back and relax for a second. What do you guys do on a perfect day off? And Blythe's going to say, "I climb a mountain."
Mallory May: She climbs a mountain.
Johanna Almstea...: [inaudible 00:53:47] a phase or something.
Mallory May: She does, it definitely involves hiking.
Blythe Harris: I mean, mine is very simple. It would be wake up, exercise, spend time with my family and closest friends, and then do some art, and have amazing food and wine. It's very simple. Be out in nature.
Johanna Almstea...: Sounds perfect.
Mallory May: I would concur with that. I would also add a morning. For me, my happy place is walking on the beach in the morning and collecting things. And no one ever wants to walk with me because I'm way too slow and I have to pick up everything. Heaven. And then I would agree, it would probably be an art class with Blythe surrounded by friends and family, a table surrounded by friends and my kids and their friends. I love when my-
Blythe Harris: Oh I love that.
Mallory May: ... kids bring their friends over. It's heaven to me.
Johanna Almstea...: I love it too.
Mallory May: I want to be that center spot. And then it would be capped off with maybe my son DJing and all of us dancing.
Johanna Almstea...: Oh. Can I come?
Blythe Harris: Yes.
Mallory May: You're all invited. You're invited.
Johanna Almstea...: I'll bring my kids too. They're fun. I love this.
Mallory May: We're going to create this day.
Johanna Almstea...: I love this for you. It's so funny you said that. I was just saying the other day, my elder's daughter had two friends over, so there was this little three little girl gang running around the house and I can't even stand how cute they are. Their little voices and their little conversations and they're laughing, and I looked at him and I was like, "This is heavenly. I love being a fly on the wall with them and their friends around us."
Mallory May: It's heaven. Does it bring us back to our childhood or is it just amazing to watch them turn into these people?
Johanna Almstea...: I think that's part of it is just seeing them be not just your kid, but being in their own little social dynamic.
Mallory May: Yeah. It's magic.
Johanna Almstea...: I love it. Okay, so I hope you invite me to that day off because that sounds really fun.
Mallory May: You're already invited.
Johanna Almstea...: Okay, so this is a perfect segue. This is the very exciting time in this podcast when we do the lightning round of silly questions, which a lot of them have to do with food. They don't have to be about food, but some of them are. And you just mentioned beautiful food, wine, sitting around a table. So here we go. Don't overthink this. Gut reaction. We're going to start with Blythe and then we're going to go to Mallory for each question. Favorite comfort food.
Blythe Harris: Donuts.
Johanna Almstea...: Mallory.
Mallory May: Cheeseburgers.
Johanna Almstea...: Ooh, okay. It's supposed to be lightning round, but I have some follow up questions. Okay. Blythe, are you like a cake donut or are you like a, what's the opposite of cake donut? Whatever they're called.
Blythe Harris: I like a cake donut or an apple fritter.
Johanna Almstea...: Ooh, I love an apple fritter.
Blythe Harris: Sorry for the low brow answer.
Mallory May: Yeah, same.
Johanna Almstea...: I love that. Are you getting them from someplace in particular or is it just like any donut.
Blythe Harris: Johnny Donuts. Bob Donuts out here. Grindstone in Sag Harbor. Yeah, I've got my spots.
Johanna Almstea...: Okay. And Mallory, what are you putting on your cheeseburger?
Mallory May: Cheese, definitely lettuce. Maybe some onion.
Johanna Almstea...: Okay. Are we doing American cheese? Are you like a cheddar? Are you like a Gruyere?
Mallory May: Yes. Oh, I fight with my husband about this all the time. I'm a hundred percent American cheese.
Johanna Almstea...: Yeah.
Mallory May: There's no other choice.
Johanna Almstea...: I agree. We'll go to fancy restaurants and want burger and they're like, "We only have Gruyere." My kids are like, "No. No."
Mallory May: No.
Johanna Almstea...: "Is it orange and plasticy? No." Okay. Blythe, what is something you are really good at?
Blythe Harris: Ooh. I would say dressing creatively.
Johanna Almstea...: Oh, I love this answer.
Mallory May: Very true.
Johanna Almstea...: Okay.
Blythe Harris: Like adding a little flair to every single outfit.
Johanna Almstea...: Little flair says the founder of an accessories company. Okay. Mallory, what about you? What are you really, really good at?
Mallory May: I'm really good at figuring out tech things on my own.
Johanna Almstea...: That is very rare for a creative person, I have to say.
Blythe Harris: I know.
Mallory May: It's very weird.
Blythe Harris: It's so surprising and amazing.
Johanna Almstea...: Also, can you move in with me because I am the exact opposite. God. Okay. I realize this isn't really fair because you get time to think.
Mallory May: I get time to think.
Johanna Almstea...: So I'm going to go back to you, Mallory.
Mallory May: Okay.
Johanna Almstea...: I'm going to start now with you. Mallory, what's something you're really bad at?
Mallory May: Executive functioning of any type and organization.
Johanna Almstea...: Okay. Blythe, what are you really bad at?
Blythe Harris: Following a recipe to the T. I like to improvise, which sometimes goes well and often goes wrong.
Johanna Almstea...: Okay. Mallory, favorite word.
Mallory May: Oh, no.
Johanna Almstea...: It doesn't have to be deep. Don't worry.
Mallory May: Blythe, you start. I have to think.
Johanna Almstea...: Oh, okay.
Blythe Harris: Resonance.
Johanna Almstea...: Oh, that's lovely.
Mallory May: I'll say serene. That's just what comes to my mind right now.
Johanna Almstea...: Also lovely. Okay. Least favorite food, deal breaker, not touching your lips. Blythe.
Blythe Harris: Mayonnaise.
Johanna Almstea...: Oh my God, you're one of those. I'm married to one of you.
Blythe Harris: Yeah.
Johanna Almstea...: Okay, Mallory.
Blythe Harris: And don't sneak it in as aioli.
Mallory May: Oh, I agree with Blythe, but I'm going to say sea urchin.
Johanna Almstea...: Oh my God. You're not... Okay, so both of those have come up on this podcast.
Mallory May: No way.
Johanna Almstea...: Yes.
Mallory May: I once had a business trip to Japan and was taken to this very nice fancy meal by the people that were hosting me. The entire meal was built around sea urchin, every single dish, and I had to eat it.
Johanna Almstea...: Whoa. That's tough. Not even just one course. It's the whole thing.
Mallory May: Which I did with a smile on my face. Yeah. The whole thing.
Johanna Almstea...: And were you just downing it with sake?
Mallory May: It was like seven courses of sea urchin.
Johanna Almstea...: That's tough. Imagine sea urchin covered in mayonnaise. That actually might help it. That might help it.
Blythe Harris: Let's not.
Johanna Almstea...: Let's not. Okay. That's very funny. We just talked about that on another episode. Okay, so Blythe, least favorite word.
Blythe Harris: Dirty words came to mind. I need to think of-
Johanna Almstea...: That's okay.
Blythe Harris: ... something clean.
Johanna Almstea...: You're allowed to have dirty words.
Blythe Harris: I'm going to say the C word.
Johanna Almstea...: Okay. Yeah.
Mallory May: I agree with that completely. I hate those really bad words.
Blythe Harris: When men use that about a woman, I just want to punch them in the face.
Mallory May: I can't. I have to walk away. I would say moist.
Johanna Almstea...: Again. You are not alone. So many people have said that on this.
Mallory May: I'm sure. Sorry to be generic.
Johanna Almstea...: It's really a universal word that people really hate.
Mallory May: Yeah. It's bad.
Johanna Almstea...: Okay. Blythe, best piece of advice you've ever received.
Blythe Harris: Approach any situation that you're potentially stressed about with playful curiosity.
Johanna Almstea...: Ooh, I love that. You should write a book about creativity, playful creativity, curiosity. You should do that. Okay, Mallory, what about you? Best advice you've ever received.
Mallory May: Don't worry about what other people think.
Johanna Almstea...: I love that.
Mallory May: That was just the first thing that came to mind. But one that I-
Johanna Almstea...: Mind boggling for your Southern self.
Mallory May: I really needed to learn that.
Blythe Harris: That's a good one. Mine was niche, but for some reason that really stuck.
Johanna Almstea...: I love it. Okay, I'm going to flip back now. Mallory, if your personality were a flavor, what would it be?
Mallory May: Sweet and sour.
Johanna Almstea...: Oh, I like that. Sweet and sour. Okay. Blythe, what about you?
Blythe Harris: What popped into my head was boysenberry.
Johanna Almstea...: Ooh. Lovely. I like that. Okay. Mallory, last supper. It's celebratory. You're just moving on to the next round, whatever that is for everybody. What are you eating tonight?
Mallory May: Probably really, really fresh salad with radishes and farm to table, followed by an amazing pasta.
Johanna Almstea...: Okay. What kind of pasta?
Mallory May: I'm thinking of this duck ragu they have at a restaurant near me that I'm obsessed with. It's so good.
Johanna Almstea...: I love that for you. Okay.
Mallory May: And cheese, really creamy french cheese to start.
Johanna Almstea...: And some crusty bread with cheese or crackers.
Mallory May: Yes. Yes, like a big baguette.
Johanna Almstea...: Okay. I love this for you. Are you drinking anything with this meal?
Mallory May: A wonderful red wine.
Johanna Almstea...: Okay, like a light red wine or a big red wine?
Mallory May: Heavy, big.
Johanna Almstea...: Big like [inaudible 01:01:25]
Mallory May: Juicy red wine. French.
Johanna Almstea...: French? Are we going Bordeaux.
Mallory May: Bordeaux
Johanna Almstea...: Okay. All right. I like this-
Mallory May: Chateau Petrus.
Johanna Almstea...: Okay. Yeah, girl, just do it. Just open all the bottles.
Mallory May: It's the last supper.
Johanna Almstea...: Got nothing to lose. Okay. I love this for you. Blythe, what about you?
Blythe Harris: I would be in Italy eating a really amazing burrata appetizer and then a really fresh salad, and then cacio e pepe pasta, which I love. Big red wine. Apparently we're at the same meal, which is great.
Johanna Almstea...: I love that.
Mallory May: I love it.
Blythe Harris: Endless bread, white bread.
Mallory May: So much bread.
Blythe Harris: Shoving it in. And something gelato for dessert.
Johanna Almstea...: Oh yeah. Mallory, are you having dessert?
Mallory May: Oh, for sure dessert or maybe a pavlova.
Johanna Almstea...: I love a pavlova.
Mallory May: I love a pavlova.
Johanna Almstea...: I had this pavlova once in Sydney, Australia that was raspberries and passion fruit.
Mallory May: Ooh.
Johanna Almstea...: Oh, dreamy.
Mallory May: Heaven.
Johanna Almstea...: Yeah, so good. I also weirdly had a duck ragu in Sydney that my husband... Okay, sorry. This is a total segue, but I have to tell you this. It's very funny. I weirdly, when I was pregnant with my first child, I ate duck every once in a while, but I wasn't a duck person. I craved duck when I was pregnant to the point where I would go to the union square green market to the duck guy and I was like, "Hey guy, give me all the duck in all the forms that you can have because I need it." So weird. But one of the things I craved was this duck ragu that I had eaten in Sydney, and so my poor husband, my husband who's very lovely and felt very strongly about his love language is food, and so he felt very strongly about-
Mallory May: Lucky you.
Johanna Almstea...: ... giving into my cravings, he mastered the duck ragu, so you might need to invite him to your last supper because he'll make it for you.
Mallory May: I will. I mean, it's so funny. I'm the same way. Duck was never a thing that I ever ate and maybe even avoided, but recently I had this, I don't know if, is it the protein?
Johanna Almstea...: I think there's some minerals in it that are very specific to duck-
Mallory May: There's something about it that's really...
Johanna Almstea...: ... that are really good for you
Mallory May: And then a ragu. Amazing.
Johanna Almstea...: I feel you deeply. Okay. Have you ever had a moment in your life when you've had to eat your words?
Mallory May: A million times.
Johanna Almstea...: She's like, "No, I'm southern. I've never said anything offensive in my life."
Mallory May: I have actually. Very weird story.
Johanna Almstea...: Would you like to share it?
Mallory May: Sure. I just remember in college, I don't know why this popped into my head, but I had a friend who walked in with her boyfriend who she was cheating on with another guy, and I just somehow didn't process that the boyfriend was standing there and brought up the name and it was complete silence.
Johanna Almstea...: Brought up the name of the guy she was cheating with?
Mallory May: Yes.
Johanna Almstea...: Oh dear.
Mallory May: It was awful.
Johanna Almstea...: And you were like, "Woo, woo."
Mallory May: I couldn't rewind. I don't know why that popped into my head. That's so random.
Johanna Almstea...: No, I mean that's a really good eat your words moment. How about you, Blythe?
Blythe Harris: I would say now that my kids are in high school, I forget that they're not full adults yet, and so I'll tell inappropriate stories or jokes and my husband will be like, "Please stop talking about that. Not appropriate."
Johanna Almstea...: Right. You're still their mother. They're still your children.
Blythe Harris: Yes.
Johanna Almstea...: Stop talking about it. Got it. Okay. Blythe, if you could eat only one food for the rest of your life, don't worry about the nourishment part, it'll sustain you, what would you eat all day, every day?
Blythe Harris: Okay, so don't worry about the nutrition, that's okay thing.
Johanna Almstea...: No, you're going to be fine.
Blythe Harris: I mean, probably pasta again because it's just so comforting. And do I get a sauce?
Johanna Almstea...: Yeah, sure. Of course.
Blythe Harris: Okay.
Johanna Almstea...: What sauce would you get?
Blythe Harris: I might do a lemon pasta maybe with a little protein, maybe with little chicken in it.
Johanna Almstea...: I mean you don't have to have the protein, it's fine.
Blythe Harris: Okay. Okay. Maybe just like a lemon.
Johanna Almstea...: Don't ruin that lovely-
Blythe Harris: A lemon pasta.
Johanna Almstea...: ... pasta by adding chicken to it.
Blythe Harris: Just really fresh lemon pasta with little Parmesan on top.
Johanna Almstea...: All day every day. I like it. What about you, Mallory?
Mallory May: That actually sounds amazing, but I would probably say cheese and maybe strawberries.
Johanna Almstea...: What kind of cheese? Please don't say Maran.
Mallory May: No. Oh my God. No, no, no. That's reserved for cheeseburgers.
Blythe Harris: Thank God.
Mallory May: Maybe La Tur is one that I like. Super creamy French cheese fresh from the market just made from a French market, creamy with a baguette and some fruit.
Blythe Harris: I have an alternate one too.
Mallory May: Tell us.
Blythe Harris: I lived in India once and I ate Dal Bhat like lentils and rice every single day for a month and a half, and it never got old. It was so good.
Johanna Almstea...: Really? Yum.
Blythe Harris: Well spiced. Yes.
Johanna Almstea...: You've actually proven it worthy. You can eat it every day.
Blythe Harris: It honestly freed up so much brain power to not think about what to eat. It was just the same thing every day and it really was weirdly freeing.
Mallory May: I Love that.
Johanna Almstea...: That's so interesting.
Blythe Harris: I think about food so much of the day here. What am I going to eat for lunch? I love food.
Mallory May: Me too. It occupies way too much space and I'm not a good cook. And that sounds actually very freeing.
Johanna Almstea...: I would get sad eventually because I do like a lot of variety, but the idea of not thinking about it is an interesting. Like how Steve Jobs always wore a black turtleneck because it freed up space.
Blythe Harris: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Johanna Almstea...: It's like that.
Mallory May: Yeah.
Johanna Almstea...: Blythe, where is your happy place?
Blythe Harris: I would say at the Art Barge, in the Peak, Long Island with Mallory, out on the deck painting. And then ideally with our kids also painting with us.
Johanna Almstea...: Nice. Mallory, what about you?
Mallory May: I was going to say the same thing because that really is truly my happy place and it's essential that Blythe is there, but I will say maybe out on the boat with the kids in Sag Harbor and with Blythe. Blythe and her kids too.
Johanna Almstea...: So nice.
Blythe Harris: Our poor husbands.
Mallory May: With our whole crew.
Blythe Harris: Our poor husbands have been left out of this.
Johanna Almstea...: They don't get invited to any of these things.
Blythe Harris: They're in a little rowboat next to us. They're in a little-
Johanna Almstea...: Hey guys, we're just here.
Blythe Harris: We're pulling them along in their separate boat.
Johanna Almstea...: Maybe they're in a little dinghy behind you.
Blythe Harris: A dinghy.
Mallory May: Yeah.
Johanna Almstea...: Yeah. Mallory, what did you have for dinner last night?
Mallory May: What did I have last night? Did I even have dinner?
Johanna Almstea...: See, this is why I asked this question.
Blythe Harris: Here. I'll start. I'll start while you remember.
Mallory May: You start.
Blythe Harris: We had burrito bowls, like sweet potatoes, rice, black beans, chicken, spinach in bowls. And then I had a popsicle.
Mallory May: You reminded me because I weirdly had an enchilada. My kids aren't here. My younger son is on a civil rights trip this week with his class, so it's been a nice week to myself in the house because Curtis has been working and he went out last night, so I ordered an enchilada.
Johanna Almstea...: I love it. It's always just fascinating to me because some people get really embarrassed and I'm like, "Why?" And they're like, "I ate three Cheetos and a pickle." I'm like, "Great." And somebody else is like, "I ate the leftovers from my kids' Dino nuggets."
Mallory May: That's usually what I'm eating.
Johanna Almstea...: Other people are like, "I had champagne and caviar and steak tartare and roast duck and whatever." And I feel like as women, we are often feeding everyone else and we're not necessarily feeding ourselves, so I always like to ask that question just as a data point.
Mallory May: Yeah.
Johanna Almstea...: What do you wear, Mallory, when you feel like you need to take on the world?
Mallory May: I have this one charm that is a bull's head, so it's symbolic, so if I really feel like have to, I need power. I'll just put that on as a little reminder.
Johanna Almstea...: Oh, I love that. Like a talisman. What about you, Blythe?
Blythe Harris: I'm obviously very accessory-oriented as well, so I have a layered necklace stack, combination of vintage and just found objects, a lot of them symbolizing strength. I have a bear head. I've got a little horn, so I love wearing that. And then I love sets. I love printed, crazy printed sets, obviously where the top matches the bottom, and I have this killer pair of boots, so a set and a boot and my accessories.
Mallory May: I might add that sometimes you mix and match the prints and it works really well.
Johanna Almstea...: Ooh, getting crazy out there.
Mallory May: So it's not always a matching.
Blythe Harris: Back to my super power. Creative dressing.
Mallory May: Exactly.
Johanna Almstea...: Exactly. I love it.
Blythe Harris: It works for me. I'm not sure it works for anybody else.
Mallory May: It definitely works for you.
Blythe Harris: I love it. I love dressing in a way that also puts a smile on other people's faces. Actually, someone inspired by trips to India, because I went there for the first time when I was working for Banana Republic and what my husband was wearing. Everybody's wearing just black and beige, and then I went to India, it was like this explosion of color and accessories and I was like, "Why don't we do that? This is so much more fun."
Johanna Almstea...: So much more fun.
Mallory May: Yeah, so much more fun.
Johanna Almstea...: So much more interesting. For sure. Okay, Blythe, what's the most memorable meal you've ever had?
Blythe Harris: I mean, I love food so much. I love these questions so much. Gosh, I would say it's not even a fancy place, but I would just say there's this one place in Sag Harbor that we go called Dopo La Spiaggia and just sitting at the bar having a perfect martini followed by a glass of red wine and then homemade pasta, or mussels with the pasta, and that's just one of our happy places.
Johanna Almstea...: Sounds perfect. Mallory, what about you? What's the most memorable meal you've had or a memorable meal? It doesn't have to be the most. Don't put that expression in.
Mallory May: One of the most was a meal I had with my dad and my uncle who are very close, both still alive and beloved. They used to get our families together and cook together and they were both amazing cooks and they were both very into wine and they would drink a little too much wine. The meal was always chicken with amazing, beautiful vegetables, maybe French style cooking. They'd love to try to get fancy, but always amazing wine. And then they would have a little too much to drink and they would start reciting all the poetry they had to memorize in school when they were young out loud to all of us. And I was pretty young, but I just remember sitting there and being like, is this ever going to end? And at the same time, completely in love with them and just laughing at them reciting this poetry.b.
Johanna Almstea...: So beautiful. What a beautiful memory. That's so nice.
Blythe Harris: I love that. I was so focused on-
Johanna Almstea...: That's a very Eat My Words moment. We like words and we like food and we like wine, and we like people doing crazy things around them.
Mallory May: They would also recite Beyond the Fringe skits, which was the precursor to Monty Python, so it would get really silly.
Blythe Harris: Oh, I love that.
Johanna Almstea...: My dad was a big Monty Python person. So much Monty Python in my childhood.
Mallory May: Same.
Blythe Harris: Actually, now I want to modify my answer because Mallory's really speaking to the experience, not just the food. And I would say I really love, this is very trite, but Thanksgiving is a holiday with a big group of extended friends and family and just everybody standing up, saying what they're grateful for and then watching the kids year over year evolve and how complex their answers are and mainly how vulnerable they're willing to get. That's been really cool.
Mallory May: That's a great one.
Johanna Almstea...: Yeah. I have three nephews on my husband's side who are not big talkers and especially to us. They don't want to hang out with us or whatever, and I'm always shocked at Thanksgiving when they share something really deep and beautiful and vulnerable like, oh my God, you have these teeth doubles.
Mallory May: The best.
Johanna Almstea...: It's so sweet. Okay, Mallory, go-to coping mechanism on a bad day. So other than just sitting down to your Daily Creative book and scribbling for a little bit, what do you do when shit goes sideways? Things are stressful. Your kids are sick. Someone's mad. I don't know. Work is going haywire. What do you do?
Mallory May: I think I've gotten a lot better at this. I mean, first thing would be to ask for help, whether it's from my husband or whoever.
Johanna Almstea...: That's such a good thing. No one ever said that [inaudible 01:13:32]
Blythe Harris: Yes, that's great.
Mallory May: I have been to someone who doesn't ask for help very easily, but that's step one. And my husband always comes to my rescue if I ask him, if I need it. The other thing I would say is make a list and try to organize my thoughts, which sounds really obvious, but as a person that's historically existed in controlled chaos, it's the only way I can get through if it's really busy.
Johanna Almstea...: I love that. What about you, Blythe?
Blythe Harris: I would say taking a brief break and walking around the block and trying to look up. There's something neurologically if you look at the sky that it really relaxes you and I heard that and I've never forgotten it and yeah, I mean just getting out in nature.
Johanna Almstea...: Love it. Okay. Dream dinner party guest list, dead or alive. Everyone's going to say yes. Don't get insecure that they're not going to. They're going to be too busy. Everyone says yes. You can have as many people as you want all around the world. Whatever you want to do. Mallory.
Mallory May: I would say maybe Beatrice Wood, who's one of my heroes. She was a potter, but I saw a documentary on her when I was young and she just had this magic about her. She actually didn't start making art until she was 80, and I would love to meet her. There would definitely need to be someone funny there. I don't know if it's an Oscar Wilde.
Johanna Almstea...: Oh.
Mallory May: Or if it's someone more recent, I don't want to steal Blythe's, so I'm not going to say it.
Johanna Almstea...: Well, I mean this person could go to both of your dinner parties. It's okay.
Blythe Harris: Yeah, yeah. Say it.
Mallory May: Now I'm spacing his name.
Blythe Harris: You might give me an idea.
Mallory May: Anyway, moving on. Moving on.
Johanna Almstea...: Moving on. Okay. Oscar Wilde, and we've got the potter lady.
Mallory May: You know who I'm talking about. I'm leaving it to you.
Blythe Harris: He's sitting next to me.
Mallory May: Definitely my kids, Blythe, my husband.
Johanna Almstea...: A lot of people forget to invite their husbands.
Mallory May: I want them all around me and experiencing this, and if I was good at thinking of these things on the spot, I would probably even pick people that they've always... Probably Jerry Garcia, because to see my husband see Jerry Garcia would be the greatest pleasure in the world.
Johanna Almstea...: Well, then you'd have to invite my husband too. Okay? Just in case.
Mallory May: Done. Maybe Frida Kahlo. It would be surrounded with a bunch of artists.
Johanna Almstea...: Okay. Are we asking Jerry Garcia to play at the dinner or is he just there for conversation?
Mallory May: He's there for conversation, play. Maybe I would invite the head of Radiohead and another DJ.
Johanna Almstea...: Oh, okay. I like this.
Mallory May: Who's the DJ my son loves? Yeah.
Johanna Almstea...: Okay. I like it. Blythe, how about you? Who's coming to your party?
Blythe Harris: This is a motley crew. I'm just warning you.
Johanna Almstea...: They always are. It's what makes this my favorite question ever.
Blythe Harris: Obviously my family, Mal and her family, of course. Jane Goodall.
Johanna Almstea...: Oh yeah.
Mallory May: Mm-hmm. Good one.
Blythe Harris: Sally Mann, I just finished her book, Art Work. It's incredible as I'm obsessed with her. And then pure comedy, Will Ferrell would be sitting next to [inaudible 01:16:27].
Mallory May: Yeah, that's who I was thinking of.
Blythe Harris: Maybe like Jimmy Fallon on the other side. I want to have as much laughter as possible in my life, so I want it to be all funny people. Other than-
Mallory May: I agree with that a hundred percent.
Johanna Almstea...: And then Jane Goodall is like, "And we need to save the planet."
Blythe Harris: Yeah, I know Jane, I thought about adding her, but she's so cute and awesome and maybe she'd bring an ape.
Johanna Almstea...: I also think she can get down-
Mallory May: Well, you should invite a chimp to your party because that's [inaudible 01:16:53] authentically.
Johanna Almstea...: Her plus one is a chimp.
Blythe Harris: Yes. I would love to have a chimp. Yes.
Johanna Almstea...: I also think, Jane, we're probably not giving her enough credit. I think Jane has a wonderful sense of humor.
Mallory May: I think she's a good sense of humor. Yeah.
Johanna Almstea...: So I think it's all good.
Blythe Harris: And I bet Sally Mann has a good dirty sense of humor.
Johanna Almstea...: Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I like it. Okay. Blythe, what is one thing for sure right now in this moment? You don't need to know it tomorrow. You didn't need to know it yesterday. What's just one thing that you can say with all your guts and glory that you know for sure?
Blythe Harris: I am alive for a reason.
Johanna Almstea...: Love that. Yes, you are. Okay. Mallory, what about you?
Mallory May: I would say that everyone is magic and has magic inside and they just have to learn to tap into that power. It's a universal power.
Johanna Almstea...: I think that might be the name to your follow-up book. Everyone Has Magic. Just saying. That's beautiful. Can you please tell the nice people who are listening where they can go to, number one, buy the book that is out today, February 24th, 2026? Tell them where they can find it. Tell them where they can find you guys, where they can learn more about you, your socials, all of that stuff.
Blythe Harris: So you can buy the book on Amazon or Bookshop.org, and then at independent bookstores all over the country. We have a link to order the book on all of our socials, including our Daily Creative Instagram, which is at daily__creative. So please follow us for all sorts of inspiring tips and Daily Creative exercises. I'm at @Blythe.Harris on Instagram. And Mal?
Mallory May: I am @_MalloryMay_. We clearly really like underscores.
Johanna Almstea...: You guys with the underscores.
Mallory May: Or are late on the game.
Blythe Harris: How many Mallory Mays are there out there?
Mallory May: I was MalloryMay1 and I changed it, which I regret. But yes, believe it or not, there are a lot. I also follow the other Blythe Harris.
Blythe Harris: I think she is a lawyer somewhere. She probably gets a lot of random requests.
Mallory May: And I follow all of the Mallory Mays. We all follow each other. We are also on Substack at Daily Creative, just Daily Creative.
Blythe Harris: And TikTok.
Mallory May: And TikTok.
Johanna Almstea...: Daily Creative also?
Mallory May: Daily.Creative, I think.
Blythe Harris: Yeah.
Mallory May: And our website is Dailycreative.com, so please tune in. And is it possible to change my favorite word?
Johanna Almstea...: Sure. What's your favorite word?
Mallory May: It just popped up to me when you were talking about your kids. I think my new favorite word is bruh.
Johanna Almstea...: Bruh?
Mallory May: Bruh. Bro. Bro.
Johanna Almstea...: Wait, you made that piece of art for your son.
Mallory May: I did.
Johanna Almstea...: Right?
Mallory May: Bruh.
Johanna Almstea...: Yes.
Mallory May: Yeah.
Johanna Almstea...: I love it. Okay. That can be your favorite word.
Mallory May: Non-sequitur. Sorry.
Johanna Almstea...: It's okay. It's all good. Okay, so everyone should go and buy this book, the Daily Creative. It is so beautiful. It is, nothing wrong is going to happen if you buy this book, only good things are going to happen. Please go out and order it, buy it for your friends. It's a great stocking stuffer. And even though we're not anywhere near Christmas, I think it's just such a beautiful gift. I'm already thinking about literally stocking my guest rooms with it. I think everyone needs it.
Blythe Harris: The great graduation gift.
Johanna Almstea...: Oh, true.
Blythe Harris: Seriously, anybody in any sort of life transition because it helps you tap into your self-identity. It's a great graduation gift.
Johanna Almstea...: I love that. I also feel like if it's like somebody who's going on a big trip or just something, I think there's just so many reasons to buy this book. It's really, really beautiful. Thank you so much both of you for taking time out of what I know is psychotic. Leading up to a book launch is like a marathon or a sprint or a combination of the two things. So thank you for sharing your creativity with us. Thank you for sharing your beauty and your honesty and your authenticity, and thank you for taking the time. This has been a real gift. So thank you.
Mallory May: This was so fun.
Blythe Harris: Thank you. This was so fun.
Mallory May: Thank you.
Johanna Almstea...: Oh my gosh, that was so fun. I'm so fired up. They're just so smart and so inspiring. I hope that you guys were feeling a little inspired by that. I hope that you'll take five minutes out of your day today or tomorrow and do some doodling, tap into that creative brain of yours, that creative heart of yours, because I really do believe that it will make the world a better place.
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