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Welcome to "This is Health, Wealth, and the Pursuit of Happiness" your source for insightful discussions with economist and author, Dr. Murray Sabrin. Join us as we challenge convention, expand minds, and pursue truth.
Murray Sabrin (00:01.095)
Welcome to Health, Wealth, and the Pursuit of Happiness. I'm Murray Sabrin, B A, A Ph D. There's no BS in my background, never has been, and never will be. On this podcast, we explore the ideas, people, and principles that shape healthier lives, greater prosperity, and human flourishing. In each episode, we'll challenge conventional wisdom on healthcare, economics, politics, and personal freedom so you can think independently, make better decisions,
And pursue your happiness. Thank you for joining us today. We have a very special guest today, someone I've known for several years now, Charles Froman from the great state of Virginia, or the Commonwealth of Virginia, right? It's the Commonwealth of Virginia. Let me introduce Charles because he has a tremendous track record in in the field of health and health freedom. Charles is currently a lobbyist for the National Health Father Federation, the world's oldest freedom health organization.
And since 2018, he has co-hosted Freedom Hub, a weekly podcast featuring entrepreneurs and advocates who are making a better world and questioning narrative gatekeepers. Charles worked for members of Congress, lobbied for financial trade associations, and served as a governor government affairs associate director at the Cato Institute. He also helped John Mackey at Whole Foods start conscious capitalism.
He left for a few years teaching high school in the Washington DC's schools and then ran a non profit for Governor Johnson's two presidential campaigns. So, Charlie, welcome to Health, Wealth and the Pursuit of Happiness.
Charles Frohman (01:41.918)
Thanks, Doctor Sabrin, or as I should call you, maybe Murray.
Murray Sabrin (01:45.861)
Murray's fine. We're this is a very friendly show and we w wanna get everyone to know who our guests are and we've known each other for quite a while now, so let's use our first names. even my students called me Dr. Sabrin or Professor Sabrin, or hey, that's that's how it worked at at the college level these days. So anyway, let's get into the National Health Federation. It's been around since nineteen fifty-five. What's its major emphasis?
In in a l and being a a lobbyist organization in DC.
Charles Frohman (02:18.862)
Well, ironically, it it's not an organization a lot of my colleagues in Health Freedom know about. And that's because they took the decision a decade ago to go international against this UN international food trade standards making body called Codex. And Codex is filled with a bunch of usual suspects from biotech.
trying to loosen res residue allowances in the food that is traded. So they're always trying to lobby in these quarterly quarterly meetings to allow more pesticides in foods, to allow more GMOs in foods, to allow more growth hormones in the meat that is traded.
To top out the maximum potency of vitamins that are traded, because vitamins are considered a food in the FDA. And our president, Scott Tips, has been the only negotiator there at Codex that is lobbying for the natural health space. So people who go way back in Health Freedom know who Scott Tipps is and know who National Health Federation is, but a lot of the new people brought on by Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
around the pandemic don't know as much about NHF. So they got their start actually back in the fifties helping more naturopath type doctors, alternative healers, who are getting hounded out of work by the FDA, state licensing boards.
And big pharma. And then over the decades, they were instrumental in legalizing these alternative healing trades like naturopaths, acupuncture. They were definitely instrumental in legalizing nutritional supplements. There was a big law passed in 1994 called Deche. And they've always been helpful on informed consent around vaccines.
Charles Frohman (04:12.402)
and then they hired me right before the pandemic. You notice I lovingly refer to the COVID corruption as a pandemic, because I won't really give them the benefit of the doubt. They're so evil beh the people behind that. so I made a name for NHF around the vaccine issue. We all knew when COVID was spread that it it was just a s a setup for a a vaccine. That's what they wanted. And and a vaccine mandate.
So I got NHF some press in the Daily Caller and Epoch Times, a couple of conservative media organs, in trying to stop the FDA's constant extension of the emergency authorization of the clot shot for ever younger cohorts, including toddlers. I saw the Dell Big Trees and other people at the ASIP meetings, these advisory bodies for FDA and C C D C, you know, testifying against author.
Authorizing the club shot for your younger kids. But what I noticed as a lobbyist was that the congressmen were being quiet.
They're trying to keep their head down as this scary mRNA you know modifying shot, gene modifying shot was being pushed on the populace. So I so my goal, personal goal at NHF, was to get a cohort of congressmen to co-author a letter to the FDA against this authorization of that mRNA shot to the toddlers. I thought that was child abuse. I thought it was a crime against humanity, and so our so our
effort got covered in those media outlets I mentioned. So NHF regained its cachet among health feeding people around the vaccine issue. And then more recently in the past couple years I've become the lead lobbyist against telecoms and extra push to deploy cell towers ever closer to your homes in your neighborhoods, your kids' school, nearby parks where you want to go, escape the digitalization, but you can't
Charles Frohman (06:22.57)
And then it's not the most lucrative career to fight big business when you're when you're a lobbyist. So I actually have become a health insurance licensed agent who doesn't sell insurance. I'm helping the disruptive sharing industry take on insurance companies, much like credit unions take on banks. And in doing so, I'm creating cash patience. And as and as an economist, Murray, you probably know better than anyone that without price-sensitive shopping, you can't get a supply chain.
Demand curve and healthcare. So I'm at the forefront of that aspect of making America healthy again because I don't think it's just stopping the environmental pollution of our air, water, land, and medicine that's going to reverse climate disease. I believe making cash patients is just as important. So I've incorporated that goal as well in my NHF work as well as in my commercial insurance sales work to create the cash patients and the
Clean up the environmental toxins like RFK is talking about all the time. so that's what NHF is up to.
Murray Sabrin (07:26.578)
Okay, let's let let okay, let's let's get some of the basic things because insurance, as you know, has gone through the roof. It's over $20,000 per year for a family of four. And we know that companies are now asking their employees to pay more out of pocket because the evidence shows that wages are depressed because because of health insurance costs. So how would what you do differ from the c the conventional, traditional
insurance plans that that companies offer their employees.
Charles Frohman (08:01.122)
Well, unfortunately insurance made a deal with the devil with Obamacare and it no longer is useful. I do have a friend in Delaware
A a Bas Bayat who has failed to try to legalize an actual traditional insurance product, you know, the high deductible, and then pretty much go anywhere you want. but with underwriting. And underwriting was forbidden in Obamacare. You can't exclude people who are uninsurable, much like you can when you buy house insurance. You can't buy house insurance after a fire. You shouldn't be able to buy insurance after you you are sick. Before Obamacare, as you well know, most states have what's called
The risk pool for the uninsurable. So Obamacare just really morphed what we had already and then made the private insurance companies cover everybody. But in exchange for having to cover everybody, even if they're even if you're in the middle of cancer, insurance companies started to resort to what's called a network. And for a doctor to remain a network, they have to accept low reimbursement and restrictions on how they treat your symptoms.
So it actually has become dangerous to a patient to be a member of an insurance company because you're restricted on who you can see. You can't access the centers of excellence hospitals for cancer or heart disease. And the doctors that remain in the network have to remain in the scope of practice to avoid being booted from the network. So quality goes way down. It's a terrible market. So a lot of people, millions of people, mostly self-employed people, have migration.
Away from insurance to what's called sharing, medical cost sharing. And they use cash. And every hospital and doctor offers a cash price. So now with a more affordable product, sharing, you have access to everybody because everyone offers a cash price, and there's no adversarial adversarial resistance to claims, which is what plagues insurance companies as well. There's severe resistance to claims. Up to 20% of your claims are denied.
Charles Frohman (10:09.37)
And the prices are stable. Whereas with Obamacare, prices go up every year.
so that is an exciting place to be. it's similar to leaving a bank for a credit union. People don't mind belonging to a credit union. You get a better deal on your deposit accounts, and prices of small loans are pretty good. so now people are starting to experience that dynamic leaving Obamacare insurance that you get stuck with at your employer or when you buy a policy on your own. And now they're becoming sharing members and they're having no restrictions on where.
they can go and the prices are stable.
Murray Sabrin (10:46.758)
Now give us some idea of what what it would c what would it cost for a family of four, a couple and their two kids to be part of a sharing network, and what are the are there any restrictions in joining such a network?
Charles Frohman (10:58.168)
Well the restriction is underwriting. So sharing acts like insurance used to, where if you're sick, you're gonna have to wait until your pre-existing conditions are shared.
So if anyone comes to me with a recent bout of cancer or heart disease, I'm going to warn you that you're gonna love sharing, but not for your pre existing conditions. Unless you can wait a couple of years. It's you know, those pre existing conditions are phased in. You'll be good to go after three years. But a lot of folks don't want to take that risk, so I counsel them, go get an Obamacare plan on the exchange. Or get both. And then after a couple of years, give up your Obamacare plan because now your
gonna have all your symptoms shareable.
but the price is gonna be around five to six hundred dollars for a family per month, which sounds like a lot, but you need to realize the average price for Obamacare for that is over a thousand bucks a month minus a subsidy. A lot of folks get subsidized. So they're they're paying five hundred to four hundred bucks for an Obamacare insurance plan, but that's not the true cost of your plan. The taxpayer is is footing half of your bill, in many cases, even more.
for individuals can be $350 to $400 a month, sometimes less if you're younger. So it's not as affordable as insurance used to be, but it's a lot more affordable than what Obamacare is, minus the subsidy from the taxpayer. And you're
Murray Sabrin (12:28.252)
So if somebody's inter so if somebody's interested in this, Charlie, they would go to you and you would act as their agent to shop them around, so to speak, to different sharing organizations?
Charles Frohman (12:39.75)
only two. We're a brokerage, so we vet them. We like a lot of advisors active on LinkedIn, we're always arguing on best health p policy. Most of bro most of the brokerages that you that stere you stere you to sharing will use Zyne and Sidera. They're they're the two sharing companies that are mature, they're secular, and they are used frequently in business plans, not just individual. There's a couple of new ones that we're vetting in in other countries like Brazil, that are
trying to share more in natural health care, which people want in the future. They're not going want just pharma-only solutions because they think. So we're pressuring the sharing communities to become better on sharing in the alternatives to just the oncologist you know burn and and and poison processes for like cancer.
Murray Sabrin (13:30.972)
So if someone comes to you you only have two sharing groups that you deal with? Is that is that what you just told us? two good ones. Okay, but but there are there are what, dozens of them out there?
Charles Frohman (13:36.938)
There yeah, there's only two good ones in our opinion. So we're gonna give you access to those yeah.
Yeah, there's others that are r are religious based. They operate under the religious exemption from ab from abom Obamacare. We don't work with religious sharing ministries, we work only with secular ones. And there's two of
Murray Sabrin (13:55.663)
Okay. So so the two that and so the two that you deal with, someone family comes to you, let's say he's a self employed entrepreneur, they would come to you, you would they would fill out a form, I would I I would guess, if they have any precond pre existing conditions. If someone has, let's say diabetes, is is that exclude them for a a c a a sharing organization?
Charles Frohman (14:19.735)
No, not if it's well controlled. There are some exemptions to the pre existing condition phase and one of them is diabetes, if well controlled and if you weren't hospitalized in the past two years. And that goes with high blood pressure and high cholesterol as well. Those three symptoms, although pre existing, will not count against you if they're well controlled by diet or you know, whatever the doctor orders you to do to get control of them. and
Murray Sabrin (14:31.474)
Okay.
Charles Frohman (14:50.266)
But for most other
Murray Sabrin (14:52.434)
So if someone come so if so if someone gets a plan through your through your brokerage and let's say a year, two, three down the road, they need major heart operation, that would be covered under the sharing plan?
Charles Frohman (15:08.028)
yeah, I mean if it's if it's
If it's if the heart sits situation is pre-existing, we would give we would not help you with that pre-existing heart condition in the first year. We give you twenty-five thousand dollars in years two, fifty thousand dollars in year three, and a hundred and twenty-five thousand dollars in year four, or no limit if we choose the other sharing vendor. So in my conversation with the prospect, if that's of concern to you, I might steer you to this other one of one of the two sharing vendors that's better on pre-ex starting in
Year four. Now, if you had you know high blood pressure or high cholesterol and it was well controlled, then that heart issue would be shareable in the first year because it's it's it's exempt from the pre-existing condition phase in. For anyone else without a pre pre-ex condition, if you had a heart situation in the first year, you know, there's no upper limit.
Murray Sabrin (15:51.73)
Hmm.
Charles Frohman (16:04.172)
So you're gonna pay your out of pocket portion as low as five hundred dollars or as high as five thousand dollars and that's it. And that can be good, especially with cancer, because cancer can last longer than a year.
Murray Sabrin (16:04.498)
really?
Charles Frohman (16:16.61)
So, if the doctor says you're cured, take this maintenance med, we'll pay for that maintenance med for four months, and then you'll use your health savings account to pay for it going forward. So we're not good on maintenance meds for life, but we're really encouraging you to look out look for alternative treatments. So we're really for the younger, smarter person who's not just gonna be a yes, yes, yes, sir may have another kind of patient, the big pharma. but if you're cancer.
Murray Sabrin (16:35.442)
Mm.
Charles Frohman (16:46.554)
Cancel returns in less than a year, that cancel will be considered the same episode, and you won't have to pay anything. because you've already paid your out-of-pocket portion of from 500 to 5,000, depending on which out-of-pocket plan you choose to be exposed to.
Murray Sabrin (17:03.41)
Okay. Okay. Cause we'll at the end we'll we'll I'll ask you how people can contact you and we'll put that on the on our platform so people can contact you. But let's go through some of the items that are concern people in terms of healthcare. food. What is what's the biggest issue facing the food supply in the United States that's affecting
adversely affecting people's health.
Charles Frohman (17:35.501)
Well, you know, we can't focus on all the RFK Ma issues, and food is one of them. So we haven't really gotten involved. I know RFK and Trump want to focus on food. There's plenty of other people focusing on that. we might help with sample emails to oppose the pesticide liability issue. You know, so that's a big one big one when it comes to food. Through my weekly Freedom Hub Zoom.
People may have may recall Morley Robbins, the copper guy. And what he said was that pesticide residue in food is so bad that it suppresses the electromagnetic importance of your cells. So that's right at the basic mechanism of living as a human. That's how bad pesticides are. So if the farm bill is going to immunize biotech from liability for from pesticide harms, that's something we're gonna
There will be other groups more focused on it than us. Same with GMOs. I'll platform GMO experts on my weekly, my monthly NHF Zoom, but it's not something we've directly lobbied. Like I said, I've lobbied more the vaccine issue and now the wireless radiation issue more so than food. Now, where we are the lead activist on food is with this International Codex food trade standards making body I mentioned earlier, where our lawyer, President
Scott Tipps is the only natural negotiator at these week at these quarterly meetings where biotech is trying to loosen residue allowances of crap in the food that is traded. And we're we're fighting for tighter regulation that of the food that is traded so that you can't have but so much residue of pesticides in the food. You can't have but so much residue of growth hormone injections in cattle and live.
that is traded or so much toxification of our soil. So that's how we'll get involved with the food issue at the very source in the international governance of the food trade.
Murray Sabrin (19:46.163)
Terrific. do you deal with does the Federation deal with any water issues? Because there's been a lot of discussion regarding AI data centers and the water supply and utility impact. So d d are there any issues there that the Federation addresses?
Charles Frohman (20:06.192)
not directly. when it comes to water, whether it's the permanent PFAS contamination or fluoride, but we'll support others. We'll platform them on our monthly Zoom so folks can learn who's leading the fight against fluoridation of the water or decontaminating the water supply in other ways. Or in the case of utility hogging of the water like you mentioned from the data centers. not directly yet. we we have noticed that one of the problem
of these mega data centers is some frequency problems from the machinery used in in their operation, which is similar to the frequency damage of cell towers. And just as people lose property value from cell towers, they're probably going to lose property value from nearby data centers. So we will cooperate with other groups who are more focused on those issues, but we can't get spread too thin. So we are the lead lobbyists against
the wireless mesh, one of the leaders against the vaccine, edifice, and then the the food toxification at the international trade level.
Murray Sabrin (21:18.678)
Let's let's examine the the cell cell tower issue because some people may be aware of it, some people may be not aware of it at all. and so do you have a scientific advisory team that that provides you with the data and research as to why these cell towers can have adverse health consequences?
Charles Frohman (21:40.477)
yeah, there are tons of scientists and doctors and radio frequency engineers. And similar to the vaccine issue, it's the exact same dynamic from the crony special interest, zero informed consent, suppression of the science, and utter capture of the regulatory process. When you look at the science, eighty percent of the science shows harm from wireless radiation.
when not funded by industry.
just like the vaccines. the science is overwhelmingly against vaccine safety, but you won't hear that in the industry funded media, which tells you that it's safe and effective. And in the wireless industry, they have captured the process so utterly and in an Orwellian fashion that the only way that they'll accept danger from cell phones is if it hurts you from thermal heating. In other words,
You put the phone by your head, you start to feel a little heat. That's when they will accept science that shows danger. Except that's not how wireless hurts you. It's not from the thermal heating. It hurts you by agitating the DNA. And that is what was found by the National Toxicology Program in a $30 million study in 2019, in a study arranged by the FDA.
Of course, once the top toxicologist scientists in the world at NCP found DNA agitation and thus a biological mechanism of harm, not thermal, but biological. In other words, you don't feel it, but it agitates agitates your DNA and is a carcinogenic in that way, at least to chronic disease in all areas, by agit agitating your DNA, the very essence of you as a human. This frequency is is a weapon, especially the 5G of the latest generation of.
Charles Frohman (23:37.863)
Wireless. So the science is settled. There are tens of thousands of studies on the danger of wireless, more than exist against pesticides, cigarettes, and lead. Yet the industry industry-funded media will tell you that there is no danger to wireless, which is insane.
Murray Sabrin (23:59.645)
So how do people protect themselves? 'Cause everyone's got a phone these days and most people have five G. So how do you protect yourself if all these adverse consequences are are occurring and people are unaware of it?
Charles Frohman (24:13.9)
Well, that's a good question, because it's probably impossible to protect yourself totally
which is sad because the sign shows one-third of us already are sensitive to radio frequency microwave radiation. Up to five percent seriously so. Maybe one percent are disabled by it. And if you meet these people, they have to leave their house, their neighborhood, because of a near nearby cell tower. Or in the urban areas, these smaller cell 5G towers on on every other street lamp and on the rooftops.
And a lot of them don't know the source of the chronic illness. perhaps they're vaccinated or overly vaccinated, eating too much GMOs and pesticides, but this constant pulsing of non-native EMFs is damaging and aggravating to your cells. so how do you stop it? Well
you have to get political and we do need your help. We have been having meetings with c congressional staff for three years, every other week on average, to educate them on telecoms exploitation of their ignorance of the issue, to get powers to deploy these towers ever closer to our bedroom windows, our kids' classrooms, and nearby towers. So we we that we need help to to arrange these meetings so that we can educate Congress to stop what they're doing.
there are laws pending in the House, at the FCC, in the states, locally. That so politics is needed to help us fight telecom and and utilities and big tech. What what you can do
Murray Sabrin (25:50.493)
So if you are using if you are using a cell phone, should you use an earpiece, like your you have and I have, or how should people use their phones to avoid the damage from the wireless radiation?
Charles Frohman (26:05.326)
I was just about to get to that. So there are things you can do on your own short of politics.
Murray Sabrin (26:06.65)
Okay.
Charles Frohman (26:10.23)
There's lots of great experts out there. There's a whole new market called Building Biology. Costs a couple hundred dollars. Rich people pay these people to come into their homes, and they have meters that measure the electromagnetic radiation in your house from nearby smart meters, from your own smart meter, from the nearby cell towers, from your router, from the Internet of Things sensors in your appliances, your TV, refrigerator, your device.
Your equipment, and it's horrible. so simple things you can do. Number one, your router. Why do you have on why do you have it on while you're sleeping? Turn it off at night. Number one. Easiest thing RFK could tell the world. He's working with governors to kick the cell phones out of the schools, thank goodness. So let's get the cell phones out of the schools, number one.
Number two, turn off your router at night. I just bought a router that turns off when you're not using it from Europe. I'm trying to figure out how to assemble it. But we're learning all the time on mitigation options. Number two, I don't have my cell phone handy. when it's in your pocket, is it in airplane mode? It should be. No cell phones in pockets without being in airplane mode. Okay?
The stuff shouldn't be near you. When it comes to wireless distance is your friend. That's why you want to pass zoning ordinances with your local officials to set back towers far from your neighborhoods. A 4G tower will beam 20 miles. You don't need a 4G tower to be close to you. It works. 99 99% of us already have cell service that is fine.
99% of that. Remember that when telecom lies to you about dropped calls, and they do all the time, don't believe them, make them prove it. So these cell towers are near the highways, they're on the hilltops in remote areas, they're in industrial areas. Zone them to keep them there, keep them away from your neighborhood, away from your kids' school, away from your local parks. They these giant 4G towers beam plenty far, it works.
Charles Frohman (28:31.178)
End of story. so the cell phone so router off at night, phone in your pocket, put it in airplane mode. your smart meters for gas, electric, and water, opt out. If you can't opt out
Complain to your local officials and your state politicians. Make sure you can opt out to do I have it nearby? I have an analog meter that I was that was stolen from me by my utility company. You want to opt out into a non-communicating, non-wireless analog meter that has a spinning dial. if you have to pay 10 bucks a month, some states have to have to pay more per month.
Murray Sabrin (29:11.538)
Mm.
Charles Frohman (29:18.07)
you know, th the the globalists th they want to control your behavior and get and get you a social credit score. So it's gonna be harder and harder to escape these demons. but you have to get with it, stop being asleep and do what you have to do to help help the cause.
Murray Sabrin (29:36.774)
N let me ask you this. Do you have is there information on the Federation's website which a citizen can become an activist and speak to their town council, their county commissioners, their state representatives about these issues?
Charles Frohman (29:53.163)
wanna share my screen to show folks where to go to look.
I don't have I could tell you if you don't want me to share a screen. But my substack is really the place to go to learn what's going on. I'm pretty good every week pu publishing the latest and what what you can do. but yeah, so we have a campaign section at the the nhf dot com which has a sample letter you can send to your politicians to you know set these dangerous devices safely far from your families. So you can have
Murray Sabrin (30:26.716)
What's that website again? What's that website?
Charles Frohman (30:29.192)
The NHF dot com
Murray Sabrin (30:31.302)
V N H F dot com put T H
Charles Frohman (30:35.798)
Yeah, T H E N H F dot com.
Charles Frohman (30:41.844)
The nhf dot com
Murray Sabrin (30:44.89)
Okay. Okay. We'll get that on the on our description of the of our session today. So so so cell towers are an issue, the wireless is is an issue. So are physi physicians aware of the research and the data regarding how cell towers impact their pa their patients?
Charles Frohman (31:11.476)
No. it's similar to the vaccine issue in that
You know, doctors being especially effective at regurgitating what they've been taught, will defend the mainstream narrative till until they die. so it's it's really been tough for them to accept the danger of vaccines. The pandemic corruption and and tyranny helped with that. Unfortunately we haven't had a similar catastrophe around wireless. So folks don't understand and doctors especially so.
thank goodness for Robert F. Kennedy Jr. with his Maha Make America Healthy Again commission, because he is implementing a study as we speak on the danger of wireless radiation. Not that we need it, the science is pretty much settled. but having a study from him should do the trick to make more doctors and experts care about the truth.
Indirectly, parents and property owners are property owners are learning about the health danger because as as property owners awaken to a cell tower suddenly erected near their property, they are suddenly economically interested because studies show any tower within sight of a property kills your value by 20%.
there are big studies that show that. So realtors are losing deals and that will help our cause because once realtors lose deals because of technology, they will suddenly care about the issue. you mentioned wired earbuds. having celebrities like Aaron Rogers go on Pat McAfee and other shows with wired earbuds will help young people care about this. every parent has a kid who's whining about
Charles Frohman (33:04.716)
airp wireless earbuds. They want them. And there's nothing worse or more dangerous than that because with the wireless earbuds, the frequency goes through your brain from right to left. So that's like a there's something called Havana syndrome.
Where these diplomats in Cuba and China have complained about symptoms similar to electrofrequency radiation injury. it's just neurological, it agitates our DNA. it's crippling. And it's called Havana syndrome. And the Pentagon has weaponry based on 5G modulation. It's called active denial. It's it's its purpose is to control crowds. And if you recall
the Venezuela attack and kidnapping of Maduro that was affected via wireless weaponry. They used frequency weaponry to disable the Venezuelan soldiers. It was actually kind of humane. you just you know, a little bit of blood out of the nose, maybe out of the ear, you collapse, incapacitated, no loss of life, go in there, extract Maduro, get out. so I can see why they use it, because it's it's extremely effective.
Murray Sabrin (33:55.644)
Hmm.
Charles Frohman (34:17.968)
Unfortunately, there are dissidents that I have platformed on my weekly show who are crippled and forced into a torturous life of pain via fusion centers and the deep state using wireless weaponry against dissidents, like a former NSA whistleblower, Karen Stewart.
And I just had another one on recently. So it definitely is a weapon and an effective one, and they use it to make you pay if you cause too much pain to the globalists who run the world. So I definitely would get involved with this issue because the wireless mesh of antennas and Internet of Things devices is the method by which they will control their behavior. And it's through that mesh where you'll get a score on your behavior in the fifteen minute cities, especially. I would
Not accept an offer to live in a fifteen minute city if you have any sense at all.
But you know, thank goodness for RFK. We'll see what he can do. we've had a good run at the National Health Federation educating congressional staffers, such that we did defeat preemption. Preemption is the big bad word in this debate. They want to pass a bill to utterly neuter the powers your local officials have to zone towers far from your homes. there already is preemption in various ways, but a HR two eight nine, which is pending in the House, would have
utterly taking away any power to stop telecom's applications for a tower near your neighborhood where your kids school. Preemption still is pending at the FCC and they could sneak that bill into a must-pass bill. So we're not out of the woods yet, but we did get a few Republicans who have been bad on this issue to oppose scheduling that bill on the House floor last month. So our lobbying has had some success, thankfully.
Murray Sabrin (36:10.011)
Interesting.
Charlie, this has been a great discussion of some of the health issues that people may not be aware of. That may be causing their health conditions that they can't get a proper diagnose, pri proper diagnosis from their physician or any specialist out there. So, how can people follow your work and the work of the Federation? What are the websites and your Substack so people can get more informed and hopefully do something about improv improving the health and
And environmental conditions in their neighborhoods.
Charles Frohman (36:46.562)
Well, first let me summarize again the big threats. The Supreme Court just ruled that vaccines can be mandated if some bureaucrat beholden to pharma claims a public health benefit. So we are not out of the vaccine fire yet.
Second, local officials are not making telecom prove their claims of gaps in service to justify a cell tower near a neighborhood. And too few patients are taking on sharing plans to become cash patients. So we are behind the eighth ball when it comes to health feed them, and we need people to wake up and get active.
Whether through personal behavior fixes like I mentioned with the mitigation or politically to help us get meetings scheduled. So to answer your question, I have a monthly Zoom every third Friday at Noone Eastern at the NHF.com. Just click click the join us tab and you can get sign up for the e-list for the invitation. every week my Freedom Freedom Hub has two shows: healthcare on Wednesdays, controversies on Thursdays.
And then my Substack, where you can just, you know, one place where I write every week is Charles D. Froman, D isn't David, my middle initial, dot substack.com. Or just search Charles From and Evis and Frank R-O-H-M-An at Substack. And there you'll learn about events coming up. I'll be speaking at Joel Salaton's farm next week, June 12th, near Stanton, Virginia, on this wireless mesh and cash patients. Be some great doctors there on the gut biome, getting healthy.
As you can imagine with Joel Salatin, the best food you can imagine straight from the farm. That's next week. Please come. It's at my Substack. You can join. Also, if you're an entrepreneur disrupting the health space, July 21st is a big DC Maha event. Come to that. And then June 19th is my next NHF monthly Zoom. So become a regular on our monthly Zooms there. So I gave you the website for NHF, the website for my Substack. That should be enough. My link.
Charles Frohman (38:55.376)
LinkedIn is a good place to reach me as well. Charles D. Froman you know, my LinkedIn site.
Murray Sabrin (39:01.138)
Great, Charles. This is a wonderful discussion. We're gonna have to follow up in the not too distant future with the unfolding events in the healthcare sector, in the wireless sector, the vaccine sector, and all the other issues that affect the people's health. So again, I'm Murray Sabrin, and this is the Mafia hat, mafiausa.com, with the code CELEBRETE10. You can get $10 off the hat, and you can join the movement to make the American people.
not only financially independent, but also with Charles's work, you can make we can make the American people more healthy. So thanks for listening. Thanks for viewing the show. Until next time, keep questioning conventional wisdom, keep pursuing health, and keep striving for a healthier, freer, and more prosperous life. Thanks again to Charlie Froman, and we'll see you next time.
Charles Frohman (39:50.691)
Thanks, Burry.