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Seth Holehouse is a TV personality, YouTuber, podcaster, and patriot who became a household name in 2020 after his video exposing election fraud was tweeted, shared, uploaded, and pinned by President Donald Trump — reaching hundreds of millions worldwide.
Titled The Plot to Steal America, the video was created with a mission to warn Americans about the communist threat to our nation—a mission that’s been at the forefront of Seth’s life for nearly two decades.
After 10 years behind the scenes at The Epoch Times, launching his own show was the logical next step. Since its debut, Seth’s show “Man in America” has garnered 1M+ viewers on a monthly basis as his commitment to bring hope to patriots and to fight communism and socialism grows daily. His guests have included Peter Navarro, Kash Patel, Senator Wendy Rogers, General Michael Flynn, and General Robert Spalding.
He is also a regular speaker at the “ReAwaken America Tour” alongside Eric Trump, Mike Lindell, Gen. Flynn.
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Man in America. I'm your host, Seth Holhouse. So unfortunately, with how the news cycle works, a big event happened.
Speaker 2:There are some authors who were getting dropped from publishers for being, against certain mandates and the COVID vaccine stuff like that. So that's when I had the honor of my publishing company getting niched into some of the freedom fighting doctors that we all know. And of course, investigative journalists and stuff like that. So there was a need and there's still a need in the market for a publisher to share the stories that other companies are a little bit too woke, unfortunately, or their editors are a little too woke to share.
Seth Holehouse:Which is I mean, I'm commend it's, congratulations for having the courage to do that because I'm in a similar boat. Right? I'm an independent, you know, media, and, you know, I'll I'll interview. I'll talk about, you know, you know, directed energy weapons, or I'll talk about, you know, DNA modifying, you know, vaccines, any of this kind of stuff because, like, this to me, this is where the story's at. The story isn't, oh, what's happening in DC right now?
Seth Holehouse:Or, you know, oh, there's a hurricane coming that know, to me, the story is like, okay. What caused the hurricane? How are they controlling the hurricane? And what's the agenda behind the hurricane? So, thank you for for what you're doing.
Seth Holehouse:And now, Shane, on to you. You know, what's what's got you into this? I know you're, the kind of main, you you know, energy behind this, this specific book we're talking about today. Is that right?
Speaker 3:Well, I wouldn't say that I'm the main energy. So I was brought in for some of my technical expertise and my research, but I did do a lot of contributing to the book. I guess it all started when I was growing up as a young sci fi nerd and I was into Star Trek and physics and things like that. And I did follow the Strategic Defense Initiative back in the 80s, but it was deemed to be not feasible at the time. And they predicted it was between thirty to fifty years out before they would be able to, I guess, to take down like ICBMs and things like that with directed energy.
Speaker 3:So then I stopped following it as closely for a while. And then, the Paradise, California Fire happened and there was a lot of evidence that came out that showed really strange fire behavior. And to me, it actually looked like the signature of directed energy weapons, but I didn't actually dive in as deep as I have since the Maui fire. So after Maui, again, an overwhelming abundance of evidence came out that shows really strange fire behaviors and blue items left behind, things like that. And to me, that kind of reignited my interest in directed energy weapons.
Speaker 3:And so I started diving in deep researching the Maui fire and directed energy weapons. And I came across a bunch of things like there are patents. The United States actually has devices that are capable of using lasers to channel microwaves. What they do is they use a short pulse laser to ionize the air that the laser travels through, which creates a conductive trail of plasma, which is reflective to microwaves. All conductive materials will reflect microwaves, even conductive air particles.
Speaker 3:So what they do is they arrange these lasers in a ring formation to create kind of a hollow tube or, like a tunnel or air duct to channel the microwaves. So they can, they can direct microwaves to a very small area while still, well, you know, they use the lasers to channel the microwaves to a very small area and microwaves have really significant like fingerprints almost that you could say, microwaves, when they strike metals, they, if you've ever put a fork in the microwave, you've seen it throw sparks and things like that. That's called electromagnetic induction. And that also happens to the power lines and the transformers and things like that. And we've seen fire behavior and burn damage that actually matches the signature of microwaves.
Speaker 3:So, ever since Maui, you know, I I've been diving in deep into this and I found out more than just about the directed energy, but I've also found out about the the plans that they had for Maui, which involve, you know, building a fifteen minute smart city. And, so this whole thing to me just seems like it was a land grab for the smart cities.
Speaker 2:Absolutely.
Seth Holehouse:Interesting. So looking at so for a lot of folks that are just watching, you know, Fox News or whatever, and they're they're seeing what's happening in in Maui, they say it's like, oh, okay. There's a bad fire. There was, you know, really nasty winds that carried the fire, and and it was really sad. And, okay.
Seth Holehouse:Hey. Great. You know, the celebrities are coming in like The Rock and Oprah, and they're they're they're donating money. And, you know, and then now it's, you know, it it's it's so past in the news cycle, and everyone's forgotten about it. But, you know, like, a lot of things that we see happening, if you look behind the the main story, you can see there's all kinds of inconsistencies, but there's also all kinds of patterns that point to something very different.
Seth Holehouse:And so when looking at the Maui fires, how if you had to summarize, you know, while most people might think, okay. Hey. It was just it was a natural disaster. It was fires with bad wind. But if you had to summarize what you would say, okay.
Seth Holehouse:This is exactly what happened, and this was the agenda behind it. How would you do that?
Speaker 2:I have one sentence to summarize things and that is Las Vegas in Lahaina and not everybody agrees with me, but my strong feeling after all the research and every single rabbit trail that I've gone down over the last thirteen, almost fourteen months here, it all sort of leads to taking the land away, making sure there is never a rebuild for the residents. Right now, as I predicted in my first book, they're going to allow people to request permits for the rebuild. They're going to need three, five permits. They're each going to take a year. There's going to be no rebuild.
Speaker 2:No one's received insurance money. People are still paying mortgages on top of, you know, $5 a month on average for a one bedroom apartment. And these people generally have large families, so that's not possible. There's not going to be a rebuild. They're going to make it a Disneyland or a Las Vegas.
Speaker 2:In fact, a lot of the money that didn't reach the victims that was raised is ironically there. There are people from tourism and even Disneyland resorts on the board of those charities.
Seth Holehouse:And so. If they wanted to turn it into, say, some sort of resort or something, like, this that's a pretty big operation, right, to to do that. Right? You you know, you you you're used to hearing stories of, know, say, like, the big tycoons coming in. They basically are buying up the land, and, you know, the one old lady that refuses to sell so that, you know, they pay her $2,000,000 for her quarter acre because she's the last one holding out.
Seth Holehouse:And that's traditionally how they've they've done this. So so, basically, that you you, you know, your your research has shown you that they literally just kind of razed the land. Right? Just absolutely decimated the houses, the land, everyone there as a massive land grab. Now there's a lot of, you know I've I've never been to Hawaii personally, but I've seen a lot of pictures of it.
Seth Holehouse:And I know there's a lot of Hawaii that is undeveloped. Right? There's a lot of just natural land. Now maybe not as much that that's kinda beachfront or whatever, but, you know, for all the effort to go into this this massive operation, right, burning it all down and killing people and everything, why not just buy land elsewhere? Like, what's what is it that's unique about Lahaina in in particular that that such a massive operation would be necessary?
Speaker 2:It's easy to get to relatively speaking. We already have the infrastructure for people to travel there. It's already well known. I think sometimes I joke around that everyone who's been to Hawaii has like a soul tie like you've known Hawaii. I think you always have it in your system, in your soul, in your spirit.
Speaker 2:I don't think anyone who's been to Hawaii leaves and says, Oh, you know, it wasn't that pretty. And the people really suck. On the other hand, Everyone loves Hawaiians. If you actually get to know a Hawaiian, they'll leave an imprint on your heart. Believe unless you get into a fight in a parking lot because there's some road rage issues as well there.
Speaker 2:There is an unbelievable, just emotional attachment to Hawaii. I think for mainlanders and so much infrastructure is already set up for the tourism. It's it's just really easy. Shane, what do you think?
Speaker 3:Well, I would say that also, so not just because of its allure and, you know, its popularity, but it's also somewhat of a remote island in the middle of the Pacific. And it's kind of long been a Haven for the rich. And I think the mega rich are now trying to kind of maybe take that over and make it like their own little private paradise And Maui also, while Hawaii in general is one of the more liberal States in The United States, and they're more compliant with the UN sustainable development goals. And it looks like Maui was one of the first big examples of one of those, you know, liberal compliant areas that were taking one of the first big steps towards redeveloping an entire town. And, I think we have seen this in other places like on the smart island of Rhodes, Greece, which was slated to become a smart island.
Speaker 3:And we've seen it in other places. So like Paradise, California, it was long. I've heard about this rail project that's been going on in the North Valley of, of California and, Paradise was long suspected to be cleared for at least one of those reasons like involving the rail. However, we've recently seen fires in Oroville, California and Chico, California, which are also stops along that rail. And it looks like, you know, by losing Paradise, Chico, and Oroville, they've now cleared the last sections that they need to to finish that North Valley rail project, or as the locals call it, the rail to nowhere.
Seth Holehouse:Yeah. It's crazy because so I've my wife is Australian, and most of our family is still over in Australia. And if you recall the fires they had over there, it and, you know, not just fires, but also, like, you know, rain bombs and flooding and and just really abnormal weather and natural disaster phenomena, it directly coincided with a massive rail system that was being built, along the coast over there. So, you know, you you see these patterns everywhere. So, Shane, did you in your in your research, or, Stephanie, maybe chime in as well as too, did you do you figure out who was behind this?
Seth Holehouse:Right? So let's just and I wanna get into the the directed energy weapons, shortly after this, but if we've come to the conclusion that there's some sort of massive land grab, right, that's probably being driven by the elites, by the uber rich, you know, that you know, we think the government's in control of things. No. The government's a pawn of the the the extreme extreme wealth of the world. Right?
Seth Holehouse:So if we've established that there was this coordinated attack that involved, you know, what people would consider space lasers, which I, you know, absolutely believe that this technology exists, that it's being used against us. It's like, in looking at Paradise, California, like, how do you have, you know, melted engine blocks? Right? You've never seen a melted engine block from a fire. Right?
Seth Holehouse:So you there's always Or
Speaker 3:even glass.
Speaker 2:Exactly. Windshields melting on top of steering columns.
Seth Holehouse:Exactly. If we've established that that that there's this there was this massive operation to do this, Did either of you figure out, like, where the the money trail led to as to who would have been the person or the organization that might have been coordinating this?
Speaker 3:Well, I would say that it wasn't any one organization, but if you were to try to trace it back to the top, I would say that this does kind of all come down from the UN and their sustainable development goals for 02/1930, which have been baked into the redevelopment plans for almost every major county and city in the, in the world, actually not just The United States. But from there, I guess you could say it does branch out to various other corporations and, you know, billionaires and things like that. One I would definitely mention is BlackRock. They tend to have a monopoly in the utilities, in most localities. And that is also the true of Hawaii.
Speaker 3:And, it looks like they are set up to take the fall, in a lot of these, through their utility companies like PG and E and, HECO, which is the Hawaiian electric company. But we've seen that happen in California with PG and E, and now we're seeing it with, you know, HECO and Maui. And, so I would say yes, BlackRock is definitely involved, but it probably comes down from the UN. And, if you're, if you're trying to follow the money, I think, Maui strong is another good organization to look at. That is the relief fund that was created by the Hawaii community foundation.
Speaker 3:The the CEO of which is Mike Akane, who is a kind of a major land developer for the resort industry, but he also is in collusion with the banks and all sorts of other, corporations that are involved there. So when you follow the trails,
Speaker 2:the board is every major CEO of it's it's a lot of CEOs of major banks. Of course, Disneyland is represented on the Hawaii Community Foundation, but it's it's basically all the usual suspects are involved with that foundation. And like Shane said, yeah, they all go back to really all roads lead to the UN. And if if if you can't directly lead it to the UN, you can probably trace it black back to BlackRock, actually.
Seth Holehouse:So this is the I put it. Is this the organization, the Hawaii Community Foundation?
Speaker 2:That's right. They started in 2019, they actually started what's called Maui Strong, and the Maui Strong Foundation is the one people were donating to in droves, perhaps even sets after seeing one of your broadcasts because people felt concerned and they wanted to donate. So I'm pretty sure it's above 200,000,000 at this point that they raised. But unfortunately, only 3.6% of donations reached the victims because they have they have earmarked all that money for long term development, which is pretty big. But for 4 pennies of every dollar reached victims and their immediate needs, the rest is earmarked for long term development.
Speaker 2:And of course, everyone is very concerned with being. Sustainable per UN agendas, and ironically strong is one of the most important. I would say smoking guns that we've got some criminals involved, the Paradise Strong, Maui Strong, Lahaina Strong, these strong organizations have their hands and their origins in climate change. Interesting.
Speaker 3:Yeah. So the whole strong movement goes back to a man named Maurice Strong, who was actually co founder of the World Economic Forum with Klaus Schwab, and he was even Klaus Schwab's mentor. He died in like 2015, I believe. And Klaus Schwab actually gave his tribute to a Maurice Strong. So now Maurice Strong was a Canadian oil tycoon who made connections with the Rockefellers and he became part of the UN.
Speaker 3:Actually, he became, I think, president of the UN, UN Environmental Program. And, they chose him in, like, 1988 to head the real earth summit in 1992. And in the years leading up to that, he created all sorts of relief organizations and NGOs and things like that to try to make it look like there was this grassroots, movement, right. For the, to save the Amazon Rainforest. But what they actually did was they went there and they got like the local tribe leaders and everything.
Speaker 3:They kind of, I guess you could say bought them off and got them to kind of pair it there. Their, their position. And so what they did was, you know, they created all these different relief organizations to try to amplify their voice leading up to the Rio earth summit so that they could get their narrative across as opposed to the, you know, the, the narrative or the story from the real natives. Now we've seen that actually being copycatted ever since with a lot of these different strong organizations. So, ever since, you know, the paradise fire, there was paradise strong.
Speaker 3:We've seen Maui strong, which was actually created in 2019, for four years before the Yeah.
Speaker 2:And then the night the night of the fire, they what the night of the the night of the fire was, I guess you could say, sort of the the they activated money that was already in the fund and immediately just started. People were donating money and it was pouring. It was pouring in there.
Speaker 3:Yeah. By the next morning after the Maui fire, they had over a million dollars ready to go. And they happened to be the one that got the most promotion and the most traction. And so they took off a lot faster than the actual grassroots organizations. And that's how they were able to reach the 200,000,000 figure that they're at now.
Speaker 3:But it's, it's like you said, suspicious that they're earmarking it for the redevelopment. And we've seen the kind of support that they've given to the Lele district bill, which was to apportion like all of West Maui under this like nine person council that was going be overseen by the Hawaii community development organization, which has already been trying to bring like not just resorts, but also gambling to Hawaii. And so they are trying to make it more like Las Vegas.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So yeah, That Lele community deserves its own special recognition, not only because there was so much. There were so many horrific resolutions being proposed, but also because there were some heroes fighting them as well.
Seth Holehouse:It just it's insane when you take a step back and look at this, and you see the same pattern everywhere. Right? Whether it's it's this or, say, the cancer industry, right, where they're they're, you know, leaving doctors in ditches that find out, you know, how to cure cancer, and they're collecting, you know, billions and, you know, trillions in donations from, you know, their their, you know, philanthropy and their organizations. And you look at this, and it's like, okay. You kinda drawing, you know, the kind of, you know, throwing things together that they're behind this.
Seth Holehouse:And then what they do is they have this massive PR campaign where they get all the average people that are struggling anyway to donate money to it, and they take all that money in. It's like Haiti. Right? It's all the money that went to Haiti after the earthquakes. It's it's it's it's the same, you know, wash, rinse, and repeat that there's a disaster they cause.
Seth Holehouse:They have this, you know, massive, you know, humanitarian aid campaign. They steal hundreds of millions of dollars from from the world's people, and they use that then to just fund their their totalitarian, you know, fifteen minute cities or whatever. It just it's so it's just so criminal. It's it's crazy to think of how this is how this is operating.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I mean, Maurice Strong wrote books. One of them is still available for free download through Dartmouth, I think college, but it's called limits to growth. For all intents and purposes, he spent his career from the 1940s until the mid 2000s talking about how humanity is the real enemy, how humanity needs to. Let loose of their control.
Speaker 2:They need to relinquish control of all of their modern comforts. We need to get rid of appliances. We need to get rid of air conditioning. We need to get rid of private property. Suburbs have to be eliminated.
Speaker 2:So this idea that modern conveniences have to be eradicated because we are toxic to the Earth. That's a lot of what this climate alarmism is based out of. Not all of it has to do with oil. Not all of it has to do with carbon, but at its heart, it's downright satanic because it is the climate alarmism. It's not about energy, it's about humanity being bad.
Speaker 2:It's about our freedom being bad. It's about us needing to relinquish freedom if we're good people because it's crude that we would want something like private property. It's not equitable. And a lot of what you're seeing right now in Lahaina and in other places where there have been these fires, unfortunately, is this huge gaslighting and psychological manipulation of the population? Lahaina Strong is behind it.
Speaker 2:As well as puppets, because all their donations are going to lobbyists, which Shane could tell you all about the paper trails on that. But essentially, that's what they're doing to keep people from filing FOIA requests, from digging into some of the weird anomalies and smoking guns from supporting organizations like the Maui Community Investigation Group. They filed 24 FOIA requests. They've got several pending actions to try to get a fair and unbiased investigation, because right now, the folks who are investigating, unfortunately, were also the folks who came up with the pancake theory during nineeleven. So that just doesn't seem like an accident to me.
Speaker 2:And what happens is the entire population is being told that it's climate change and that they cause the fire through plastic straws. And that's a lot of the reason you don't see people speaking out. And that's a lot of the reason that every time there's a new bill or piece of legislation on the table, I grab my assistant and I say, Just get me on radio in Hawaii. Just just get me talking to the Hawaiians to try to get them to show up, even though it's a scavenger hunt, to show up to the city council meetings or to Oahu, where there were a piece of legislation is on the table, for instance. But people are are.
Speaker 2:Being actively gaslighted with climate change on the island, and they're being told that their neighbors died because they were not good stewards of the Earth. It's just insane.
Speaker 3:Right? It's more than just plastic straws. Yeah. They're also coming after our vehicles and red meat and all that kind of stuff.
Seth Holehouse:Of course. Yeah. I mean, like I say, it's Marxism. You look at, you know, the the principles and the foundation of Marxism. It's it's guilting you into thinking that you don't deserve to have more than your neighbor.
Seth Holehouse:Right? So it's it's this equalization of everybody. It's everyone's equally dead at the end of it. That's right.
Speaker 2:The sun reads the Tuttle Twins, and then he says, Well, Mommy, I need to understand fascism. I need to understand Marxism like the Tuttle Twins. They do it on one in one little cartoon story, but he needs to know more. And I say, Okay, baby, well, let's open up one of mommy's books about how this plays out. You know what I mean?
Speaker 2:I'm like, I can give you more examples.
Speaker 3:Yeah. And I would say, you know, within the overlap between fascism and Marxism, you do have a common theme of the abolition of private property rights, and that's what we're saying Exactly.
Seth Holehouse:So, Shane, I I wanna transition a little bit and talk about the the do's, the directed energy weapons, because this is something that you know, it's so easy. Right? I I saw all kinds of, you know, posts that you were kinda mocking and saying, all the conspiracy theorists said that they're Jewish space lasers that cause this. And, of course, they make it sound so Of course. Wild.
Seth Holehouse:Right? But so walk us through some of the the research that you've done on on on dues, but also the specific indicators that you saw with Maui, but all not just Maui, but, say, paradise and some of the other things. What are what are the common themes that you saw that made you think that, hey. There's no way that this is just a a forest fire. What what are the, you know, some of the abnormalities that you saw?
Speaker 3:Well, I think a lot of people like to point out the melted aluminum, like the aluminum rims and even engine blocks at times. However, you know, aluminum does have a relatively low melting point of around twelve twenty degrees Fahrenheit. However, to me, the glass is an even bigger indicator because glass auto glass doesn't melt until about 2,700 degrees Fahrenheit, which is, you know, twice as hot as the hottest forest fire. And it's about three times hotter than the average grass fire. And so, you know, those materials just don't, even under the right conditions, just don't reach those kind of temperatures.
Seth Holehouse:So you've heard the news. Food factories burned to the ground. Millions of chickens gassed in the name of bird flu, Bill Gates and the CCP buying up farmland like there's no tomorrow. The government is literally paying farmers to slaughter livestock and shut down farms, and bugs are on the menu whether you like it or not. Just think about where this is headed.
Seth Holehouse:Henry Kissinger once said, who controls the food supply controls the people, and history is full of stories of tyrants using food to break people's will. Now, look, you're watching my show, which means you're probably not the kind of person that'll bow down to tyranny. But how long can you hold out when your kids are hungry or when you're forced to take a jab to eat? Look. I understand you have your own situation, and you can only do what you can.
Seth Holehouse:But imagine how good you'll feel knowing you've got a couple months of food stashed away for when it all hits the fan. And as the old saying goes, it's better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it. But listen, not all storable food is created equal. A lot of the big food bucket companies use cheap fillers to lower the price per calorie. But in fact, it's during those difficult times when medicine's hard to come by, when clean water is hard to find, perhaps when you're struggling to survive, that's when nutrition matters more than ever.
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Speaker 3:And so I knew there was definitely something involved, and so I started looking into it. And, yeah, when it comes to directed energy, there has been kind of a long history of, directed energy weapons that goes back, you know, but, you know, to this, you know, strategic defense initiative of the 1980s. And, I guess you could say space force is kind of a continuation of that. It has been kind of revitalized and they're, you know, really putting a lot into it. So ever since 2016, there was the directed energy weapons acquisition act of 2016, which does go over, you know, some of the billions of dollars that have been pushed into the directed energy weapons programs, but they wanted to accelerate that.
Speaker 2:I think that's that's the hurricane.
Seth Holehouse:Oh, yeah. It might be. I'm guessing he should he's still he's still on. Maybe this he might pop back in. So I guess we we can keep going.
Seth Holehouse:Oh, wait.
Speaker 2:There you go. Back.
Seth Holehouse:Sorry. There you go. Shane, continue. I think you you cut out because you got that hurricane coming through.
Speaker 3:Okay. I'm not sure where I started, but, so there was the Directed Energy Weapons Acquisition Act of 2016, which accelerated these projects. And ever since 2016, you know, we've seen, you know, fires that were really strange. There was a fire in Fort McMurray, Canada, which was another, another unusual fire in 2016. And then in 2017, there was the Sonoma County Fire.
Speaker 3:And then 2018, we saw Paradise California and they all have very similar, you know, burn patterns and fire behavior. So, it looks like it was an acceleration 2016 to, to stockpile these kinds of weapons. And there's also an initiative called the high energy laser scaling initiative by the department of defense, which is a three phase, initiative. And they're actually just last July, they've reached phase two of their initiative, which is to scale up to 500, Watts, five or 500,000 Watts of power. And, they're actually looking at maybe early next year scaling up to an entire megawatt of power.
Speaker 3:And, I've seen how fast these things can take down cruise missiles and things like that. So, you know, they don't have to have the long dwell times that they used to, to focus on, like say a cruise missile or an ICBM. These things can actually be destroyed in the blink of an eye now that they've reached the current power levels.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And Shane, if I recall, one of your big wake up calls was during the paradise fires. You were geeking out on some satellite images and someone accidentally caught.
Speaker 3:Oh, yes. So this is probably two years after the Paradise Fire. I had been following a YouTuber by name of Dutch since he's a very popular and well known, but he's also very highly suppressed for his information. But, he does cover live satellite views sometimes. And there was in 2020, I think it was maybe September ninth in '20 '20.
Speaker 3:He captured on one of his live streams. You could call it a dew beam. It was a beam that appeared to originate from above Oregon and it terminated at one of the fires in California. And, it was very faint on this.
Speaker 2:Mhmm.
Seth Holehouse:Yeah. You know, hurricane mixing things up for us. I know. So we'll wait for
Speaker 2:It's ironic because we're talking about weather, you know, it's ironic because we're talking about weather, and that was another one of the big sort of smoking guns is you got all these these guys on. You got all these guys on Maui who were looking at these satellite images. And I had not known until we began our investigation that that's an extremely common hobby for people to study these satellite images to see what sort of weather manipulation is taking place. And so if you're familiar already with Dane's work, he's he's one of many, and his website is absolutely loaded with resources. But on Maui, we had missing satellite images.
Speaker 2:And what we saw was that right above right above Maui during the fire. And and because there was this Hurricane Dora excuse that was going to be made for the high winds. And even though it was absolutely impossible that the winds from Dora Five Hundred miles away could have affected Maui and Lahaina specifically in the way that they did. But that was one of the other kind of smoking guns for me as a skeptic about all things directed energy and geoengineering, etcetera. The smoking gun was, of course, this.
Speaker 2:Blatant attempt to hide satellite images over Maui during the fire, many of which we have recovered and and pictured in the book.
Seth Holehouse:So, Shane, you're you're back now. I wonder here kinda finish out on the so this guy, he captured a a dew laser, right, on a livestream. Is that correct?
Speaker 3:Yeah. So, yeah. So there's a a site called the college of DuPage, which is from the Colorado state, you know, site. And they do, they post live images of the goes 18, satellite in there. One of the images that you can see is in the near infrared range.
Speaker 3:And when he clicked on the near infrared is when this beam showed up. Now it makes sense to be able to see things like this because infrared is like heat vision kind of. And if there is like a laser beam or anything, it's heating the atmosphere, then the, the air is going to be, warmer within that beam. And so when you're seeing in the near infrared range, some of these beams are going to be visible. And so, he actually caught that, you know, in 2020, I believe, and that may have been a space based platform, but I don't think that they're all necessarily space lasers, because Lockheed Martin does have these drone platforms called Morpheus, which are like these little 30 pound.
Speaker 3:They can be shoulder launched drones, but they also have box trucks that can launch like a hundred of these at a time. Did you get an entire form of these drones? They are equipped with like a microwave gun basically, and they can take out other drones and drone swarms, but if they were to target a ground target, they could easily start a fire.
Seth Holehouse:So this is this is the Morpheus. Is that right?
Speaker 3:Yeah. M o r f I u s. It's a strange spelling, but, yeah. So I do think that the majority of what we're probably seeing is not necessarily space based, but more of a drone platform, and, you're likely to see swarms of drones rather than just one drone.
Speaker 2:Mhmm.
Seth Holehouse:It's it's just crazy. Now what about the the bodies? Because this is something that that was also strange. Right? Because, you know, I mean Mhmm.
Seth Holehouse:Most of us have seen pictures of burn victims. Right? Or you see, you know you know, even if you're not seeking it out, you might see it, you know, kind of on Twitter or whatever, and you can see that, okay, if someone is in a car, and the car catches on fire, the person burns, there's a certain way that they look. Now some of the images I saw coming out of Maui, it wasn't like that at all. So what were the observations, and what were some of the images that you, saw coming out of the actual bodies, whether it was humans or pets, and how is that different than what you would expect during a normal, you know, forest fire?
Speaker 3:Right. So I would say that the damage that we saw to the bodies to me indicated different levels of, microwave radiation. So you have some that were only cooked from the inside and were slightly bloated. We've seen that with animals in Texas and so forth. I would say that was probably either a lower power or a lower amount of exposure, maybe a lower time spent in the beam, but then you have the other ones that are completely blackened and charcoal.
Speaker 3:And some of them have even been disintegrated into like white ash, including the bones themselves. And, to me that indicates probably a much longer exposure or a much higher amplitude of radiation, But, there are very strange because like a body, when I guess it burns from a natural combustive fire, you're going to have like, you know, the fats and the more flammable parts of the body are going to burn first. And, some of those will melt out and things like that, but then there's a lot of other structure that's left behind like the bones, regular fires don't burn the bones. And, when you have bones that are reduced to like a white powdery ash, then to me that's evidence of something called calcination, which is an extreme form of heating that bypasses the combustion process.
Speaker 2:Yeah, for for for these bodies to be, You know, incinerated and preparation for cremation, it would take hours and this fire has been called the seventeen minute fire because of how quickly it raged through Lahaina. So what we saw with the bodies is not consistent with any other theory that we can come up with. And one of one of the one of the things that shocked us most was seeing bodies that were at first I said it looks like someone, you know, in a cartoon shot a laser and cut the body in half because half of it was incinerated. You know, organs gone, you could see the ribs, but then on the other half, you can see the skin, the clothes are fine, the hair is fine. So we saw extremely weird burns.
Speaker 2:And Shane, in his research, found that that could be due to different duration or different like levels of of.
Speaker 3:Yes. And that particular body that you were mentioning. Yeah. That particular body was laying in a street with no actual fuel around it. However, the spot that was burned seemed to be very contained to like maybe a 12 to 18 inches radius.
Speaker 3:And, I do believe that probably the diameter of these beams is somewhere in that range of 12 to 18 inches.
Speaker 2:And Shane, that's because these beams will target things with mass, which is why a lot of dry brush never went up. Palm fronds were still on trees. They didn't burn up. Is that is that consistent?
Speaker 3:Well, I wouldn't say I wouldn't say it necessarily targets things with mass, but it definitely finds the most conductive path to the ground because there is sort of an electrical component to the plasma itself is electrically conductive and electrically charged. And so it will behave, it's in the similar way to electricity where it finds a path to the ground through either metals or water. So there's a lot of the trees that contain, high amounts of water and those will burn first and they'll burn in the areas where the tree contains more water. However, the, you know, like say a Palm tree has really dry leaves that ought to be very flammable, but the leaves on the palm trees sometimes are what burns last.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Seth Holehouse:So I have the the video, you'd sent me, Stephanie, beforehand, and I'll play a little bit. I'll give a quick warning for people that this is you could say it's somewhat gruesome. These are, you know, bodies. So if if you're squeamish, then close your eyes. Don't if there's no audio to it, but I just wanna I'm gonna play this because this is shocking.
Seth Holehouse:Okay? So this is one of the bodies they show right here. And, like, when I see that right there, like, I've never seen a burn victim that looks like this. You can even see, if if I'm not mistaken, that this looks like a person had cornrows. Right?
Seth Holehouse:So, you know, they're kind of like the the the the the kind of braided rose on the head, which look like they're still intact. So
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah. But you can see his bones in his legs. That's a weird one. Hoku, a man on the island who's a cultural ambassador and educator, actually took more clear videos of that body.
Speaker 2:Unfortunately, when he was running for his life, he had been hiding in a parking garage during the fire.
Seth Holehouse:I mean, just, like, I've that's crazy. Like, the the that right there. Yeah. There there acknowledges that they thought calling cornrows, but now see here, this is also just as strange. I mean, it looks like that's a cat that is standing.
Seth Holehouse:Now it looks like you see that circle? There's your there's your 18 inch circle. So does it does this look like to you that that black circle beneath the cat is maybe where this beam came? It just it just got the cat, and it just, I mean, how can you I've never seen this as a result of a fire before. I mean, the fact that it's still standing.
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Speaker 3:So, yeah, I would say that the fact that the cat is still standing is also one of those weird anomalies. But, yes, I would say that the the spot that you see around the cat, I would say is the approximate diameter of the beam. However, I don't know if they would necessarily target a single animal like a cat. I think it's just that where this beam strikes certain materials is where like, so like, Hey, it's, you know, hit the sidewalk. It's not going to interact as much as it will when it strikes something like, organic materials like the cat, you know, so the cat has a higher water content.
Speaker 3:It's probably more electrically conductive. And so it will help channel some of that, plasma and microwave energy into the tissues of the cat itself. However, yeah, it looks like it mostly burned on the outside and it's like frozen in position, which is really strange.
Seth Holehouse:Yeah. Even this that looks like a dog. Like Yeah. That the dog that feet would be up like that. Like, it's like, again, I've never seen a fire that would do this to any kind of creature.
Seth Holehouse:I mean, it's it's
Speaker 2:Yeah. And people saw very bizarre things on the ground as well when I was most. When I was on Maui. Kind of digging around in the in the burn zone with the Maui investigation group, we heard from local families that, you know, they found one man found his parents in their car and they looked. They they looked kind of intact, and when he touched them, their bodies just disintegrated.
Speaker 2:They were dust. Which there's no explanation for that note from a brush fire, it's not possible. And in addition to that, another man went into the the burn in Lahaina and found. A frog that was mid jump. So you see these bizarre.
Speaker 2:These these bizarre bodies of of animals and then, of course, of people that you know that we need an explanation for that. Right now, unfortunately, from what we can see, a lot of the information about how many people perished and how they perished has been redacted in the investigations that have been going on in the reports that are coming out, but they leave more questions than answers for sure.
Seth Holehouse:It's just crazy. I wanna pull up a map. I'm not sure if either of you have seen this. Are you familiar with with this map? It is the, basically so it's a simulated reserve and corridor system to protect biodiversity.
Seth Holehouse:Now this is a map. It says, as required by the UN Convention on Biological Diversity, the Wildlands Project UN and US Man and Biosphere Programs and World Heritage Program as a vital step in attaining sustainable development. So it says this map was used in the United States Senate to stop the ratification of the UN Convention on Biological Diversity, And what this shows because, like, if we're looking at land grabs, that this is, I guess, from my how I understand it, this was a map that projected the UN's goals for how the land would be used in The United States. And so, basically, you have all the red areas where it says those are core reserves and corridors, little to no, human use. The buffer zones, which are yellow, which is a highly regulated use, and the normal use, which is green, is a is a tiny part in here.
Seth Holehouse:And so I think that this goes along with the overall agenda of these fires is that they want to take America and turn it into a place where whoever's living in America is contained to these small fifteen minute cities, and most of the the nature, most of the the wild, you know, parts of America are off limits. So, I mean, to me, this makes perfect sense. It lines up completely to what we're seeing happening, you know, in Lahaina, or Paradise or even, you know, the fires that happened in in Canada. Right? The highly suspicious fires that were happening in Canada that what I'm what I'm seeing and piecing it together here is that there's some sort of large scale land grab that's that's going where if if we were to project ourselves, say, thirty years into the future, in the UN's future, we'd all be living in these tiny cities with full, you know, technocracy, full control cameras everywhere, and they'd have the beautiful preserved nature that is really kind of for the just for the elites and for their usage.
Seth Holehouse:I mean, it's just it's it's just wild to think about this is the world that we live in.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Well, I was doing a book. One of my authors is doing a book called Grafted, and we are we we had the opportunity to interview. He had the opportunity to interview the CEO of that of the development that may be going off course right now called Niamh in Saudi Arabia. And it's a little bit like Dubai in Saudi Arabia.
Speaker 2:But that's a lot of what these these, you know, tourist developments look like to me, they look like huge prisons. And they're they're actively building these communities. A lot of what happened before the fire in Lahaina were emergency proclamations saying that, you know, our number one goal is affordable housing. And a lot of times this word affordable housing is used to declare eminent domain over an area. So for instance, in Maui, the legislation that was being proposed, it was called SB thirty three eighty one proposed eminent domain, not merely in Lahaina in the burn zone, but for all intents and purposes, the entire inhabitable West Side of the island, which if you look at a picture of Maui, it looks like it's two islands attached to one another.
Speaker 2:So they're proposing that everything essentially that's habitable on the West Side Of Maui was taken over businesses, homes, etcetera. And. The funny thing is we were because I had already written Burn Back Better and published it at that point. So I was sort of book touring or whatever, doing a little bit of speaking, and I'm saying, please show up right in oppose this this legislation or it's game over. There's nothing else I can do for you people.
Speaker 2:And they were playing this this. You know, it was like a scavenger hunt. There were people flying to Oahu. To represent and and. Just so that they could physically show up and be present as opposed to just providing public testimony, and the government didn't want them there.
Speaker 2:And Hawaii is ranked as. Fifty first most corrupt state for election integrity as it is. It which is something Shane brought up, why would you choose Lahaina? Why would you choose Hawaii? Well, because they're easy to manipulate.
Speaker 2:Because they have extremely corrupt elections and the governor there is a UN puppet. And if he doesn't want to leave, he doesn't have to. In fact, if he doesn't like what people are saying, he will, he will. He will threaten them. I worked with three medical freedom doctors in 2022, probably Who were all silenced?
Speaker 2:He threatened to get their licenses taken away. He just doesn't want. He he doesn't want people to be empowered in Hawaii, and and that's a lot of why we're doing this.
Seth Holehouse:Which is crazy, but also it really highlights the importance of getting this information out. So interviews like this, the book, which I'll I'll pull up the book website. It's just the Mauibook.com. And so folks, they they can this says preorder, but it's not available to purchase. Right?
Seth Holehouse:So if they go here, they they can buy they can buy the book, sound the alarm. So and this is this is why it's important. Right? Independent journalism, independent media, independent publishers, as everything that's gotten big enough it's kinda like, you know, you go to communist China. Any business that's more like a medium sized business gets taken over by the CCP.
Seth Holehouse:Right? And they've got their they've got their cadres on the board, and and they're no longer independent. Right? So, thankfully, there's still people like yourself that, are are publishing books and are publishing things that are, questioning the narrative because I really believe that the greatest threat to the elites is information about what they're doing getting out to the masses. That's that's why censorship is such a big deal.
Seth Holehouse:Like, you know, even Amazon. You see Amazon now is pulling books. You know, medical freedom books are getting pulled out of Amazon, right, which is nothing new. So they they don't want this information to get out, which is really important, for what you're doing. So as we're wrapping up, do either of you have any kind of final words or thoughts on the the topic?
Speaker 2:I, I think, you know, the the way that I live my life is very much the school board mom. You know, I'm my my mission field, I like to say, is my community. You know, when when I think of, you know, my future, my purpose, my calling, it's very Aspen based where I live, and so I think my final thought is no matter where you are, particularly if there is some sort of sustainable initiative or if it's your school board and it's a DI or a CRT program, like just get involved on a local level, it doesn't matter. You know, Trump versus Harris is. It's not going to be an issue in a few weeks from now, but what's always going to be an issue is what's being taught in your schools.
Speaker 2:To your children and what is what is happening in your local government, and I would say that my my greatest passion and the reason we ended the book the way that we did, showing farmers revolting in Costa Rica against these sustainable development plans and winning. Is because we believe that much more important than what President Trump does, much more important than than what's happening in the news is what's happening in your community.
Seth Holehouse:I couldn't agree more.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I also wanted to use. I also want to use Costa Rica as an example of a place that actually defeated one of their smart cities with local involvement. So one thing you can do is every locality or every community basically, or county basically has what they call a general plan. And these general plans are basically cookie cutter, you know, passed down from the UN sustainable development goals. And so all of the, you know, county planning has these UN terms baked into it.
Speaker 3:And so if you do a search for like general plan, you can probably find your county plan, but then there's also within that, there's something called transit oriented development corridors. And then you can also look, you can Google cultural corridors, community corridors, and things like that. Whether it's a fifteen minute city or an eco barrio as it was called in Costa Rica. But the main thing is, a lot of these are still in the ongoing planning stages and they're, they're supposed to be having community involvement. And so these meetings are still ongoing in a lot of places and you can find these meetings and you can show up and you can voice your opposition, which is what they did in Costa Rica.
Speaker 3:And they had so much opposition that they tried to actually close the doors and not allow people inside for testimony. But in Costa Rica, for example, Dustin Bryce from interest of justice actually served legal papers that actually shut down the vote. And, and a lot of the local politicians have kind of
Speaker 2:By having someone slide them through a door. I mean, this is this is grassroots stuff is important and makes an impact.
Speaker 3:Yeah. And so it it is possible, you know, to go through the, you know, the proper channels to, you know, get them to to at least hold these votes with public testimony. And usually when the public testimony is entered into record, they can see that there is a lot more opposition than there is support. And like in Costa Rica, the local politicians have backed down and only the mayor supports it. And after they replace the mayor, then that will be a dead project in Costa Rica.
Speaker 3:And we can follow that, that example elsewhere. So like I say, you know, search for the general plans and the community plans and the TOD corridors in your area. And you can find like a law, they often have community calendars where they post the meetings. And so you can attend these meetings and voice your opposition.
Speaker 2:Mhmm.
Seth Holehouse:It reminds me of, you know, like, one of the best grassroots efforts I've seen in opposing this is the, the Blade Runners group over in The UK that are going around and and cutting down all of the surveillance cameras. So they'll they'll put 10 cameras up over there, and and and seven get cut down or damaged or destroyed. And so it's just, you know, all these people that just, you know, throwing sand in the gears, and it's just, like, that's how that's how we have to do it. So I just wanna thank you, both of you, Stephanie and Shane, for for being courageous and getting this information out. Thank you for giving, me and and our audience the time to do this.
Seth Holehouse:I will just I'll pull up your website one more time because I do encourage folks to go to the Mauibook.com and and get the book, not only as a resource for for you, but also to support these initiatives. Because if you can sell enough books, and you can keep you can fund more books, and you can get more information out, and so this is how we have to to work. I'm glad it's not some Amazon link that we're sending people to as well. So you're going directly, you'll get it from you, which is great. So thank you so much for for doing what you're doing and for giving me your time today.
Speaker 2:Thank you. It's been a tremendous honor. Thanks for covering and caring the whole it means a lot to the Hawaiians.
Speaker 3:Absolutely. Thank you, Seth.
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