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Where triathlon meets real talk. Hosted by two seasoned triathletes and one Sarah, this podcast takes a deep dive into the controversies, challenges, and triumphs of the triathlete world.
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Unknown
All righty, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, we are back for another episode. Episode 25 today of the unfunded podcast. We are so happy to have you all listening to us once again for another week. As always, I'm Lachlan Jones, professional triathlete. Light and wall triathlete. Yeah. And we are the unfunded podcast. That's us.
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Again, just like, we'd like to thank this week, our main man, our main sponsor, JK lager. No official beer co lucky. Sorry. Official. Because we'll cut that out. We'll do that again. Drink chaser. Okay. And as you are, fuck. And as always, we would like to thank the main man keeping the lights on.
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Unknown
Official be co official beer, JK lager. Any good beer shop? Yeah. Thank you. You had too many beers this weekend, I do that. Why do you have your glasses on? I just thought they looked cool. Nah, they just don't. Anyway, well, I did have. I didn't have too many, but I had, I had a few. JJ lagers for Jason.
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Unknown
It's footy finals. He said the final is 40 final and your team sucks. They lost.
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Unknown
It was a tough week. It was a start to the weekend. Friday the there's something there's something different when your team loses just the normal home and away season, it's like, oh, that sucked. But it's not the end of the world. Yeah. When they lose a final and they lose three finals in two weekends, I actually you get you do get physically upset.
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Unknown
You get. Yeah I was quite upset. And you're hiding the tears right now. Yeah. I might take them off because you've made me feel self-conscious. And the boys ripped you in the boys squad group chat. Did a group chat. One of the boys in our, squad, Oscar Wooten, the group, which he, he was a Hawthorn supporter, so he was pretty happy to, you know, to rub that one in, to see me cry so much in the wounds.
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Unknown
Yeah. Unfortunately, Friday it wasn't not. Not the crows. Yeah. It's not the crows. Yeah. You know, we're still next year. Next year. We'll be back a few teething issues this year. So, we'll be back. I'm not worried about that. We'll be back. But, how was your weekend? What did you get up to? Played a bit of golf, actually.
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Unknown
In that, sport and recreational era for myself. You've got a stress reaction. Yeah, mate. This car, I'll just have to hobble out. Oh, these comply golf, mate. Keep off the leg with the stretcher. I'm off it. I can ride, so it's okay. Okay. That's all right. No, but that is healing. So. Yeah, I had a bit of golf.
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Unknown
I'm not very good at it. Oh, you not meant to be good to go. Oh, no. It's sucked. It's very much just, swing. And fingers crossed, I do the best. I went with my roommate, and, he's a kayaker, so they're like, at the. I was kayaking up here, but I. In between anything else? They're playing golf.
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Unknown
They're like footy players. I just play golf. Golf, golf. More golf. So he's pretty good. So I got absolutely flogged. But they're not doing 2 to 3 sessions a day like, well we don't have the not that we don't have any. Yeah. Doing short stuff though. Sprints. It's not, it's not, it's not it's not as tough as real stuff is.
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Unknown
Yeah. The hours aren't there. Okay. So your healing. Your healing. Yeah. Healing. Strong reactions coming better getting better. So the physio tonight, actually. Oh, yeah. It's a Tuesday we record, so we'll see how it goes. Only a couple more weeks, to not run. So two more weeks. If I can run at six weeks, it could be eight weeks.
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Unknown
So we just got to say, okay. That's all right. It's getting there. Getting there. We've had a lot of messages. Wishing you wishing you the best. Thanks. How we know that to be myself, I just having you might not check the DMs, so, Well, we'll start off going off your injury and I guess the injury conversation.
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Unknown
Yeah, there's been a lot. There have been a lot, especially in the, Well, because it's close to home within Australia and the juniors in Australia, it's it's actually been really hard to say, to be honest, like, Jack Woodberry and Jack Hoad will both put up post this week that they're our world champs. Most, like three days apart.
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Unknown
Yeah, because of stress reactions or fractures. Yeah. And and we obviously know more about Jack Woodbridge just with him being in our training squad and again like he's back. Yeah. In his sacrum. That's a tough spot to get one. What 17 year old realistically like should be getting stress fractures there. It's tough. It's yeah. Like it's giving you no glimpses of the look.
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Unknown
And Redmond obviously Jack's a little bit younger and it's not as severe. And there's not as many. So like we've had conversations with Jack and I know Jack's going to be fine. He'll have the rest of the year off and you know, he'll he'll get back to it. I have no, no doubt that Jack would re will be back, you know.
00;05;04;02 - 00;05;25;14
Unknown
Yeah. Being one of the best they to go a couple years. Pretty sure it's pretty sure he's got two more years as a junior. So that's kind of scary which is scary. So, I tried to say that to him. Like, Matt, you are in no rush right now. You're still 17 years, years old. So, it's still despite that, it's, I'd say like a couple of our juniors and even a few of the under 20 threes.
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Unknown
I know we've had Rochelle. She's had injury concerns. Back to the junior girls. Aspen Anderson. She had some stress. Not a muscle was reaction or fracture. But she had some stress related concerns sort of in the middle of the year. We have to speak about Lauren quick. Yeah. In the elite women's. So, Yeah. So, yeah, the whole household's been down there.
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Unknown
Yeah, yeah. So, I just think it's a it's a topic that we want to we don't want to go too deep into because obviously this is very personal for athletes. And people try to keep it, you know, a little bit private. Yeah. Kind of under wraps. Like you don't want to announce that you're injured or anything like that, but it's kind of come to like the world Champs time where people have been selected, but then they can't.
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Unknown
Race is the reason why not racing world champs. We're really unfortunate. We're not putting forward our best team at the moment, maybe, and we're seeing a lot of athletes that have a lot of potential that aren't able to show that potential for X, Y and Z reason. Like, I think a lot of them have different reasons for, you know, how or why it's happened, but it's definitely something we need to touch on because as, you know, one of the best countries in the world at this sport, it's something we need to figure out.
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Unknown
Yeah. Really saying, I mean, we don't really track too much. I don't any other Nations juniors, to be honest, besides Australia. I mean, I think I know a few, and there's, I don't know any other country that has the amount that we have. Yeah. I, I feel as if over this short period of this year I can I can count around ten people who have had some kind of stress related injury.
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Unknown
Maybe we can get someone bit more of an expert on this topic like let's I Bradby, who really knows this kind of stuff on it. But just like obviously studying nutrition dietetics. Yeah, it's kind of two ways you get it's under fueling. One obviously reads, and then you also have the intensity factor, but then like we'll probably go into more of the intensity factor now.
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Unknown
And it's like if you look at the Australian juniors or the Australian season, it's set up to race in summer. Yeah, we're racing from February until now. Yeah. Like it's it's a bit ridiculous for for a young body like we said this early, this year, we said, why are they rising so early? Yeah. I've got a big issue with this.
00;07;43;05 - 00;08;03;23
Unknown
Like, this is probably one of my biggest issues with the Australian system, I guess, in terms of their selection policies and, and whatnot. Like, I know that a lot of I know that Devonport for example, was February, March. Yeah. And the Feb and March. So that is like that was an automatic selection race for juniors and under 23.
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Unknown
Yeah. So I think they picked two juniors and they picked one under 23 both in the men and female male and female category. For me. Why are we picking a championship team almost ten, 9 to 10 months before the championship race? For me, that is, you can only peak so much in a year. You can only be on so much in a year.
00;08;28;12 - 00;08;52;25
Unknown
And again with these juniors, another 23 years. They're young, the young athletes, they don't necessarily have growing this your body still growing still developing. You don't necessarily have that maturity to understand when to pull yourself back. So when you're trying to peak for a championship selection race like Devonport in at the end of February, you want to be at your best because you need to beat the best guys in the country, and there's a lot of really good guys in the country at the moment.
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Unknown
Like you said, Australia is on the rise, so when you're trying to peak at that time and these guys don't really understand that, they might have to bring themselves back for a good 5 to 6 month period and just go back into a base block. But then you've got guys like Aspen Anderson and Jack Woodbury who then went over to Europe.
00;09;10;27 - 00;09;43;21
Unknown
And we both know we've raced in Europe. You need to be on the top of your game when you're racing in Europe, and you don't want your confidence to fall off it, you want to be racing well. If you've made your auto over the world champs, you're racing all these Europeans. So I had a couple months. Realistically, how do you go peaking in Devonport at the end of Feb to get selected for a world Championships a couple months later, go over to Europe, try be as fit and fast as possible over a 2 to 3 month period over in Europe, racing the best athletes in the world at your age and then come home and
00;09;43;21 - 00;10;05;05
Unknown
again. Let's try. Let's just take a third time to then end of October we'll be fit and firing for a world champion. It's crazy. Feb to October it doesn't work if you cannot physically do that. Elite athletes at the top of their game can't do that, let alone 1718 year old kids. So like again, I don't think try to listen to this at all.
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Unknown
Really give a shit, opinion. But that needs to change in my opinion. That is system set to fail. Yeah, I've seen it fail. I get why you obviously have a selection race at a Oceania Champs or Devonport for us, because you have it's meant to have all of everyone go there and converge, and then we're picking the best one there.
00;10;29;09 - 00;10;46;27
Unknown
I get that perfectly fine. I think you should have a selection race in Australia because not everyone can get overseas or afford it, so that's fair enough. You know that. That's the race. It doesn't have to be in Europe. It should. I'm not saying it should be in Europe, but maybe if we're having a world champs in October, especially a world champs in Australia.
00;10;46;29 - 00;11;07;16
Unknown
Yeah, October. Why aren't we racing a selection race? Let's give people a couple of months to figure out. You know, that they're selected. Let's have it in. You know, July. August. Yeah. Why isn't it then instead of we can you can still race a couple of Asian Cups at the start of the year. If you want, you can go to Europe and still do that.
00;11;07;18 - 00;11;26;22
Unknown
Then you can come back here in July or August. There's nothing really in Europe in August. Well, I mean, I came back a lot. I came back in July. Yeah, I came back in July for the first time in three years. Yeah, I've been back. I've been back that early. So I and like and the climate's here to do it like we've done races off.
00;11;26;22 - 00;11;48;05
Unknown
Yeah. Let's go. That's like we kind of. We can't do one in winter. Yeah. Like like it's almost better conditions to be racing in winter. Yeah. I just yeah. As a junior, if you're good enough to go to Europe as a junior, by all means go for it. I went, I went in my last year of juniors and I raced a couple junior European.
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Unknown
But that was also because, well, chances in Europe, in Europe that you wouldn't have gone until a couple months before world champs. I think we went two months before. Okay, well there you are, like a bit of training, a couple races. It was essentially, it was essentially a full weight training block, a race, three weight training block, world tour.
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Unknown
And then we did a couple races at the end coming back. Yeah. If world chances in Australia probably wouldn't have gone. No, I probably wouldn't have gone because there are a big selection of races. Like you said, in Asia. There's a like the training environment in Australia is phenomenal, especially in the winter. It's probably I mean, actually now that I'd say that depends where you are.
00;12;25;21 - 00;12;53;14
Unknown
Yeah. But it's not like it's you're not training unless you're really honest. Who came bro. Yeah. Yeah. But, yeah, I just think something has to be assessed here. Something has to be looked at, and we need to really review this process because it's clearly not working. Like we said, we've selected of freakishly good team. Jack Caldwell, Zan spies, Jack Woodbury.
00;12;53;14 - 00;13;02;28
Unknown
Yeah. And then you look at the girls Aspen Clare and oh my goodness, I know and I'm.
00;13;03;00 - 00;13;30;05
Unknown
Adi. Adi. Ali. Yeah, she's real young. And she went one, two. I was 16 years old. So those six juniors and there's well we got Oscar Wooten and. Yeah, a couple of the others that are on the, the reserve is also very important. Yeah. Probably would have got picked. Yeah. So we've just wasted a very, very good opportunity for our junior athletes to be exposed at a world level on home soil.
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Unknown
Yeah. And we've shit the bad a little bit I think. And I don't think it's any fault of, like, these athletes own you seven, 16, seven and you just you just you be following orders. I mean, I don't know, there might have been a couple athletes doing some silly training. Like, again, I think, I think I mean testosterone and all that when you're 17.
00;13;52;21 - 00;14;12;23
Unknown
But ego takes a class anyway, isn't it. Exactly. It should be up to the coach, and it should be up to the federation to monitor what you're doing and say, hey, look, like I understand you're excited. That's really good. But let's just tone about it. Yeah, yeah, let's say then yeah. Because we've again, we don't want to be getting, to a position where like, this is, this is where we are like the current position we're in.
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Unknown
It's it's a terrible spot to be. Yeah. Even, you know, some of our 1 to 23 athletes, you know, we like we saw that in Brighton. Mercer was flying at the start of the year. We had him on the pod because he got second in a World Cup. Yeah. And he's struggled a little bit since then. You know there might be other reasons outside of that.
00;14;30;01 - 00;14;51;10
Unknown
But results wise he struggled a little bit. So it's like are we peaking in the wrong times. So that you get to an end, you get to a world championships and you're not able to perform. Yeah, you're the best of your ability. Like, yeah, as we said, potentially Australia needs to switch their season around like in maybe Europe's great I think 100% like Europe's where it's at.
00;14;51;12 - 00;15;07;24
Unknown
But you also have the ability for Australia to go to Europe early in the season. Then we could maybe race here for a little bit and then go to Europe or go to Europe and come back and race here. I don't know. It's a bit tricky as well with their world champs in Australia because it doesn't happen.
00;15;07;26 - 00;15;24;11
Unknown
No. After the last time it was 2018, it was here. But we definitely need we definitely need whether it's the performance director in their team to maybe look at, sit down with the individual athletes more and say, okay, how are we going to best get how are we going to get your best results out of this season?
00;15;24;11 - 00;15;46;21
Unknown
What does it look like? Where are the key performance. The key races. Yeah. And how are we going to get you to the end of the year fitting foreign. Yeah. Because I just think there was that this just can't happen again. We can not say this again. Yeah, yeah. It's hard. It's hard to watch. But, like, especially if the injury back on, like, the injury front, I don't think it's the injury that hurts an athlete at all.
00;15;46;21 - 00;16;05;13
Unknown
I've heard this said before, it's not the injury that hurts an athlete. It's more the mental side of what you're missing like. And it's going to take a toll on these guys. Like they're missing the world champs. You home champs a home world champs. Like all your friends and family going to be there. I don't know if it's going to be a big mental toll.
00;16;05;13 - 00;16;26;23
Unknown
Yeah I spoke to and he's pretty down. He. It's horrible. It's horrible to see a 17 year old so upset because 5050 of his family members are all booked flights and paid for accommodation and were just so excited to go see this absolute superstar of an athlete. Yeah, potentially get a podium applaud him or yeah, obviously that's the goal.
00;16;26;23 - 00;16;43;28
Unknown
Everyone wants to go there and win and we know Jack. Yeah represent Australia. Yeah he has the ability to do that. So to see him sort of have to sit here and go well now I'm just you know realistically I reckon working as a lifeguard at the pool, watching everybody else trying. Yeah. Yeah. And that's all I can do.
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Unknown
You like you obviously we try to talk about not letting your identity get wrapped up in not just being a triathlete, but it's hard. Again, like we said, when you're 16, 17, 18, you don't know any better. Yeah. And I was going to say I think the biggest thing if you have an injury, I mean, I'm not that old from 23 now and I've had an injury before.
00;17;03;18 - 00;17;25;12
Unknown
I broke my wrist and been out for a while. Whatever old I'm getting old. Feel old, but can't handle it. But I think the biggest thing is feeling in that time where you're not training like you have to have something else that you can do, think about something else then, besides of filling in your time. Surround yourself still.
00;17;25;12 - 00;17;45;02
Unknown
Surround yourself with your mates. Just don't isolate yourself. Like I'm saying people, this year like just isolate themselves and then they get down and down and down. It's just not good. Like you got to surround yourself with your mates and like still, you know, even if people are training, like just hit them up for a coffee after or whatever, like, yeah, there's always a bit of time you'll always want to be 100%.
00;17;45;02 - 00;18;05;29
Unknown
And I think, like then you can also reassess. Like you go, okay, well I'm injured now. Switch your like your frame mind frame of mind to being one where it's more like, okay, I'm injured that shit baby. It's hockey for a couple days, but then you have to move on. You go. Okay, well, I've got a six week rehab.
00;18;06;01 - 00;18;30;14
Unknown
What can I doing these six weeks to then never get this injury again? Yeah. How did I get injured. Yeah. I've got well I took a bit too far doing x, y z. Maybe not. Nutrition isn't good or, you know, little things like you can, you can do heaps of different things like I've gone to myself have gone why I think I got injured while jumped up to running three intensity sessions awake.
00;18;30;17 - 00;18;47;06
Unknown
I mean, I could have told you I was a bit silly. Exactly right. You don't think it yourself. Yeah, but I sat down with my physio, Brad, and he goes, what have you done? I've lost two months. I will three intensity run sessions like since have long ago. He goes get up your Strava graph because it's not very high mileage.
00;18;47;06 - 00;19;04;22
Unknown
But for intensity runs say that out loud. Three intensely run sessions for eight weeks. Sounds stupid? Yeah, to someone else. Puts it in that way. You go, yeah, okay, maybe it is, but you're obviously thinking only get better. And maybe I'm just getting quicker. I'm getting. Yeah, exactly. Oh I'm free. That's how good it is. But yeah. Take your time to assess.
00;19;04;22 - 00;19;25;12
Unknown
See what else. The little things that you can do, even if it's not just like in my case, that intensity thing, even just like little bits of extra gym work or like, how can you increase your nutrition or those things for bone health, like we saw a great post if you haven't seen it by Johan. And he's he's suffered through injuries a lot of the time.
00;19;25;12 - 00;19;45;24
Unknown
He actually just came third. It's Sunny Coast, but he put up a great post. It was like all these little tips that you don't really think about for injuries. So I think it's a time where you can actually just obviously have to be so and it's disappointing, but you have to just put that to the side for a little bit.
00;19;45;24 - 00;20;02;20
Unknown
You got to feel that, but put it to the side and then go, okay, what can I do to get better? I think that's ultimately the hardest part of an injury, but it's got to this part again, like we said, it's got to be it's got it's got it's got to happen. Do you realize that you've made a mistake or something.
00;20;02;20 - 00;20;34;29
Unknown
Yeah. You know you've got to alter something. Yeah. You're a bit blasé if you haven't gone. Shit. What did I do to actually get this? Yeah, yeah. All righty. That's sad. Hopefully it changes. Like we said, condolences to those boys and. Yeah, but, actually, they're on the up. Moving on back to a topic that we spoke about last week, which I think we both got a little bit hate it on like because well, I did especially because I for me, I just can't stand it and I can't stand how almost like, okay, I think we had a valid opinion.
00;20;35;04 - 00;20;57;05
Unknown
I think we had a very valid opinion. I don't change my opinion at all on it. Hayden Wilde's, and Sam Wong, he was also involved, but I think, I think a lot of the blame or a lot of it was targeted towards Hayden Hayden because of what he said on the hot Mike. And so for me, that was that was the big part where he just wasn't.
00;20;57;08 - 00;21;14;18
Unknown
Yeah, it was caught. It was wasn't apologetic one bit, didn't really care. Sounded sneaky. Said it, saw it and I thought it was pretty shit. Yeah. I'm even going to say I had a little, obviously had a few conversations with the few people. And I actually spoke to somebody who race in the World Series race with him that day.
00;21;14;20 - 00;21;35;20
Unknown
And I think I told you this story, apparently he was. So this athlete I was talking to was running right up hard against the cones on the inside. And he heard somebody come up on the inside of him on the track on like we said, it was French Riviera. It was ran a grass field. Somebody came up on him on the inside, you know, only just missed the cone.
00;21;35;20 - 00;21;55;06
Unknown
And it's only a small infringement. But Hayden Wilde cut the course again. He cut it by an infringement. It was a tiny thing. But again, that's where I'm just talking. Rules are rules. You got to go around the cones. Keep the cones to your right. Yeah. If it's on your left for me, I got disqualified. In a race.
00;21;55;06 - 00;22;11;13
Unknown
Yeah. I mean, yeah, I mean, I've you've also seen it on the bike in a couple of Ironman races. Yeah, they cut the, cut the center line and it's again, people going like, oh, it's so stupid. It's such a small, a small rule, but it is. But again, it's a rule. And we spoke about this a lot.
00;22;11;14 - 00;22;28;15
Unknown
I don't care how small it is. A rule is a rule. He spoke about Kenji, Nina the other week with Aaron Royal. He just moved on the there's a there's a can there and you just keep it on the inside of it. It's the smallest of margins. Yeah, but you didn't go round the point you're meant to go around.
00;22;28;15 - 00;22;47;21
Unknown
But until he may and you can't you can't argue. Yeah. No. Well I went I went from being half a length behind someone to half a length in front of someone realistically made no difference in the end. Yeah, I would have got the exact same position, but I got disqualified and sure enough, and I sat there and I kept it on the chin because I got, I did, but they said I cut the course and I broke the rules.
00;22;47;21 - 00;23;04;08
Unknown
The rules are the rules. So, yeah, he he put out an apology. He put it out. An apology statement on Instagram. I don't know how you feel about it. I think, well, he had to do it, to be honest. He sent a massive email, an apology and whatever. Yeah, I'll quickly read like, a bit of his apology.
00;23;04;08 - 00;23;27;17
Unknown
So he said, since the start of the year, I've been racing in the approved Asics prototype shoes, which is what we said, including during my win at T100 London. To be clear, those prototypes were fully approved and listed with the World Athletics as they are fully compliant, with all technical regularity requirements. He's obviously got his manager to rewrite this, because I don't know if you've ever seen his posts.
00;23;27;19 - 00;23;54;18
Unknown
He's grammar is fucking terrible. So he's obviously no translate. No, no, not Shakespeare. And then he goes on to say at the weekend, however, I race in the new meta speed race, believing it was the same prototype I'd been using all season. It was an honest mistake, and I only realized after the race while my partners at Asics emailed me in due time with instructions around the use of the motor speed race and other shoes, in prototypes, I misunderstood the message and didn't realize it applied to the shoes I raced in.
00;23;54;25 - 00;24;15;09
Unknown
This is my mistake. As a professional athlete, it's my responsibility to make sure my equipment is fully approved and I take full accountability for not double checking. But the Medici raids and my prototypes had the exact same technical specifications and meet the world athletic technical requirements. Yeah, I mean, he's taking responsibility now. I don't give a shit. It's still.
00;24;15;09 - 00;24;32;29
Unknown
But then he's also like backhand and gone. Well, they're exactly the same where where I'm like and again like we said last week, it's not the same as doping. I completely understand it's the same doping. But if you look at, sort of what we've been taught when we were young, you're always responsible for what goes in your body.
00;24;32;29 - 00;24;52;24
Unknown
You can't blame anybody else. You can't blame any advice you've ever been given. Whatever goes into your body, it's your responsibility. Yeah, at the end of the day. And if it. And if it crosses the line of what's legal and what's not, you get a punishment for it. Yeah. Doesn't matter if you. I didn't realize I didn't I didn't realize that, you know, maybe that supplement was tainted or it wasn't has to approve.
00;24;52;24 - 00;25;11;07
Unknown
And there was some cross-contamination. Yeah, unfortunate. While it might have been an accident, I accidentally like Emma Jeffcoat at the start of the year. We, you know, she was taking the medication that she didn't just use for acne. She didn't realize it was a performance in it. It's all. Yeah, she's listed as a mascot. It's the same for me.
00;25;11;07 - 00;25;32;01
Unknown
That's the same type of, you know, I just didn't realize. I didn't double check. It's my fault. Yeah. And I've had people call me up since we've done the episode and say, oh, I've run in the met. It's bad, right? They are fucking fast. And we saw how close I have to get apart on maybe six. So I thought maybe we'll have to.
00;25;32;03 - 00;25;49;07
Unknown
Yeah, I don't know. I, I do think he should. And he emailed T100 and said he did ask to get they could, I think, I think that's, I think he probably had to do that. Yeah. I think you look a bit shit if you don't. Yeah. We both said he should be disqualified. Yeah, he should give the prize money back.
00;25;49;07 - 00;26;09;14
Unknown
He shouldn't be. Yeah. And he said that in his email. He's like. Like, just. Okay, whatever. I did the wrong thing. And he's admitted it. So take a move on. But if you watch his race, I think he really suffered on the weekend at Calvary due to all of the stress in the back last from the week before, 100%.
00;26;09;16 - 00;26;31;12
Unknown
I think that's what impacted his race, because you saw him coming out, coming off that swim and you look defeated like he didn't swim well. But obviously we'll go into it a bit later. But yeah, I mean I think another another not great result. But again maybe he'll listen to the podcast. Harris rings him. I think he had more than more than us to worry about.
00;26;31;14 - 00;26;50;24
Unknown
But yeah, I mean, yeah, again, like we said, hopefully action is taken because in my opinion and like, you know, we both stand. Yeah. The same here as professional athletes racing in the same sport and again having race hate. And before that stuff just can't fly I don't care if it's anybody else. Tom, Dick or Harry.
00;26;50;24 - 00;27;06;04
Unknown
Yeah. I don't care who it is. Like in like we said, could be Matty has a like could be another Australian that I feel as if we, we we have to call that out because they have a platform. We have to talk about it. It's not on. It's not. It's not targeted. But no, it's not on. We don't appreciate it.
00;27;06;04 - 00;27;28;23
Unknown
And we'd rather that shit just stamped out of our sport. Yeah. Cool. Moving on. Big races, huge races. This weekend is a good weekend. Ironman world champs. I was probably more invested in this than any of the other races. The same. And that's weird for me. But it was electric, so it was. I watched all my internets like been shit all week.
00;27;28;23 - 00;27;51;18
Unknown
Now because you stream 7.5 hours, it's it's thing. So good. Just the tactics from start to finish with those guns swim is the boys on the black making moves. The five of the front in the run, the Nick Thompson just that beautiful western Australian human that just put Australia on the map like. Yeah like so good. It was great.
00;27;51;18 - 00;28;15;14
Unknown
Even like the swim had some kind of drama about it. Was Sam like that like doping. There's a dolphin in Jamie video. Just doing a bit of backstroke. He's relaxed or points there. Well, it was good. It was good from start to finish because it wasn't a traditional how we thought the race would go like. We thought they'll be the short course guys off the front.
00;28;15;14 - 00;28;38;03
Unknown
You're van real you Jamie Riddle. You. Sam laid low. A couple others will get off the front. That did. But then you didn't have that world champ there in Sam Laidley. Yeah, he was cramping in his back. He came out two minutes behind. Behind the Norwegians. Yeah. And then he he bridges up. The Norwegians all get up to the front by the end.
00;28;38;03 - 00;28;55;28
Unknown
And then there's a little split at the back. Then they all come into transition. Well, it was great what I thought was exciting the whole way through. It was one of those ones again, where because obviously within that eight hours on the Sunday, unfortunately, I couldn't dedicate the whole and I had a few things I had to do, you know, I had to go do my run.
00;28;55;28 - 00;29;19;05
Unknown
We had a phone call out of. Yeah, selfishly, I had a meeting at 3 p.m. on a Sunday, which is just, yeah, awful. But I had that. Anyway, I, realized throughout that whole thing. It is so, so long. Oh, yeah. Like so long. I'm watching it and I'm like, I'll check in a couple of hours later and I'm like, still on the walk.
00;29;19;07 - 00;29;34;12
Unknown
And then it's like all of a sudden, like making dinner and it's like they're still on the bike. Yeah, yeah. That's like four hours ago, but I'm still on the bus. My roommate was like, they still going? I'm like, yeah, it's about, you know, 7:00 at night. Now. Yeah. And he goes, what time do you start watching?
00;29;34;12 - 00;29;51;15
Unknown
I said, 3:00. It is so going so long. I've made dinner every. Yeah. I like, look at all the things that I did while they were on the bike. Yeah. And I'm like, I had meetings, I made dinner, I went for my run. Like, I did all this while, like, you know, checking in every now and then. Yeah.
00;29;51;17 - 00;30;16;24
Unknown
It's so disgustingly long. It it actually makes me sick. Think how many gels and or artificial clubs weightiness, saltiness and, so so everything obviously after that. Well we, we did it was it's hard to recap an eight hour race, but, Kasper stones, Gustav Aiden Christian Berlin. So round of applause. But yeah, the Norwegian hype train.
00;30;17;01 - 00;30;37;20
Unknown
They've done it again. That is just an incredible feat. An incredible three training partners to go one, two, three. And in the closing stages, just see them running together and going like they're actually going to fucking do this. Yeah. And Carson Saunders is probably the one that people right off the most. Yeah Christian is obviously the hype man Gustav.
00;30;37;21 - 00;30;45;19
Unknown
He's a former world champion. Yeah. They're both won it before. So like in Christian being an Olympic champ you know Gustav he was the most.
00;30;45;19 - 00;31;09;04
Unknown
Successful one straight away. Yeah. Over the long. Over the middle. Too long course. So everyone just just gives them all the respect in the world. And Casper's kind of like that. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, you're the third. But the middle brother, it is. It kind of gets lost in the shadows on a bit. There was even a really cool, clip that they shared after Castle winning of Gustav going like, oh, he's Christian's achievements and he's my achievements.
00;31;09;04 - 00;31;29;15
Unknown
And, Casper, there's all the spare room for you. Like you've done nothing. You gotta do something. Yeah. And. Yeah. And then bang! Casper was. But he was the first one to win anything on the World Series stage. Yeah. No agents. That the meta. Yeah. So he was one of the first ones. And again they went one, two three.
00;31;29;16 - 00;31;52;24
Unknown
They went one two. Right. So yeah created the 2018 2018 I think World Series. Yeah. Yeah. That was it was it was so so impressive. Really impressive. It's crazy how like we haven't delved so much into like the their training and whatever. But it works. You can you just can't deny what they're doing is he's working. Yeah.
00;31;53;01 - 00;32;08;12
Unknown
So we're gonna have to go do some 35 hour training weeks, and I've invested. I think we need to do that when we're at 12 because they've been doing it. I think I've spoken to people who have been along the journey with Christian before, and they said, but he's been doing that since he was 14 years old. Even Aspen like, messaged us.
00;32;08;16 - 00;32;26;07
Unknown
Yeah, on the pod is you guys, like, she's just been on camp like on camp with them the week before. She guys they actually, like, built different. Yeah. Like we've just been doing all the stuff with them and it's insane what they're doing. It's cozy. They are they are built different. And they just showed that to the to the world.
00;32;26;10 - 00;32;48;11
Unknown
Yeah. So they said, Mark Nicholson, al MVP, Nick Thompson. I reckon it was just like there was points where you seen him up. He's up in the top three. Yeah. It's like this guy could do something here. Yeah. And he did seventh. He's just a guy as a 20 I'm I think he's 23. Right. 2324. Yeah I think he's 2324.
00;32;48;18 - 00;33;07;13
Unknown
It's such a young athlete to be going over to France and just having fun with it. Yeah, he just goes for it. Just having fun with it. And he's put it like he's a phenomenal cyclist. Oh yeah man can he ride a bike. Yeah. And he looks funny on the bike too because he's such a stocky, such a short little stocky boy.
00;33;07;15 - 00;33;26;16
Unknown
But he just motors. Oh I head Dallas up. It's just grits his teeth in gold sport like mullet in the back of the helmet. Yeah. It's cool like it is my it's cool to have that Aussie personality amongst the race. So, Yeah. Nick, you're a legend, mate. I hopefully we can get him on the pod. Yeah, sometime if he's ever in the gold.
00;33;26;17 - 00;33;51;05
Unknown
Because. 17 Ironman world champs at 23, 24. That's just very impressive. That's just phenomenal. All of the short course guys, I want to make a mention because that's our domain. Yeah. So we had the Norwegians one, two, three. They've come from it. Then we had Martin Van Rail in fourth. Jonas Schomberg in sixth I believe. Yep. Seven seventh, Nick Thompson, we can call him.
00;33;51;10 - 00;34;14;07
Unknown
Of course we, we used to race him in. Sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, that's how we knew it was climbing. And then 10th Jamie Riddle. That's pretty impressive. 12345677 in the top ten. And I copped a lot of shit for it. But I said show cause guys they're going to take over the taking over. They take it over middle distance a long distance.
00;34;14;07 - 00;34;38;14
Unknown
And fuck it, they are. They are. And I mean, to be fair, Jonas Schoenberg, that's the one that surprises me the most. Yeah, I did well, I did not expect that big body to lug himself around for eight hours and get a sixth. Yeah, like he's a powerful boy. And we've seen him do some big blow ups in an Olympic distance race, let alone a fucking iron man.
00;34;38;14 - 00;34;58;02
Unknown
That's because he hasn't really like it. 240 K oh, you think this is what, maybe. Jonas, maybe you should just did that in an ICU race. You do? Really well. She might have done very well, but, you know, he, raced in Abu Dhabi early this year. So is race two of the World Series slow and then going and done Ironman and come six speed.
00;34;58;02 - 00;35;04;11
Unknown
A bit greedy at the moment isn't he. Yeah. He's greedy. Get greedy.
00;35;04;13 - 00;35;24;07
Unknown
Okay. Until the ITU the World Series and another another phenomenal. Yeah right. It was great. Both the men in the women's rights were really good to watch. We neither of us are in tri suits this week, as you can say, because neither of us got a single single prediction that she probably made were both in the suits. Yeah, probably.
00;35;24;07 - 00;35;46;08
Unknown
But we've come straight from swimming. Let's not stick it. Chlorine. It's just a bit. It's not fun. No. So the men Henry Graff debut win and he did it in style. Yeah he did that in style. And then we have Miguel Hidalgo. He's been on form all year. He goes to second in the series now. And the Lehmann we thought he was a bit quiet this year.
00;35;46;08 - 00;36;04;27
Unknown
I said who's been a bit quiet in French Riviera review. Yeah it's been like that top ten. But then he's come out and he's he's got a podium. And so annoying because I've peaked. I picked song a element to come third in the overall series, and I haven't really picked him in any of the races to actually podium.
00;36;04;27 - 00;36;23;07
Unknown
So I'm like, why don't I? I shouldn't have done it then. But and often big graph in this year you have been I mean, I did not expect this. I was thinking of top five. I was thinking top five. You look at the course profile, you look at him as an athlete. He's strengths and weaknesses. Yeah. This is the Henry graph course.
00;36;23;07 - 00;36;44;04
Unknown
Yeah. If there's a course where Henry Graph's going to get do something. It's this one. Yeah. It rewards the strong athlete. But to win to win it. And he went off the front on the bike. Those three boys off the front. Yeah. So I marked a obviously phenomenal swimmer came out first motivation Henry graph. And I know his name is like, I've, I know who he is.
00;36;44;10 - 00;37;04;12
Unknown
He's also quite kaide. Cadel could. I just don't know how to say the names. Yeah. The Europeans. Yeah. Sorry. The Austrian athlete. Cadel, I'm going to. Yeah, yeah. Cool. You know who you are? Yeah. Yeah. So I thought it was impressive, like. And not only that, he went off the bike and then had the third fastest run time of the day.
00;37;04;12 - 00;37;24;06
Unknown
Yeah. He, they only had 40s off the bike. So to then, I mean, Hidalgo I think it was pretty close in the end. I think it was only eight to 10s. Yeah, really. So he he closed the 32nd gap, but still, like, like you said, only 40s over ten K. No, that's not a very solid. It's not a lot.
00;37;24;06 - 00;37;42;22
Unknown
And I'd say I got confused because where I was saying some of the highlights, unfortunately I watched the Iron Man. I didn't stay up that late. Watch this. But I watch the highlights. I was getting very confused with where Graff actually was because I saw the front pack, and I think that that caught, that caught that little the other two Devi in the Austrian.
00;37;42;22 - 00;38;02;21
Unknown
Yeah, they caught those and then they're running around and I was in. That's clearly the front pack. How's Graff going in one. This is just one run race. I didn't didn't expect that. But. Yeah. And and he's 22. Yeah. He's young. I don't know whether we racing on 23 worlds, but go ahead. If you're an under 23 athlete your your everything is crossed.
00;38;02;24 - 00;38;24;17
Unknown
The hope that he's not the second under 23. That race really well is the British only Conway. That was ultra impressive as well. And I think he's only about 20. Yeah. He's young, he's young young. So I think he was fifth, fourth, fourth. Oh my goodness. Yeah. What did he run. He would run only twice. Quickest 30 minutes 29.
00;38;24;23 - 00;38;46;10
Unknown
Yeah. Well that's impressive. So I can he we always do an athlete of the week. But the there was a lot of racing this weekend so we can't quite peak in. But I think we'll peak him for our short course at short course athlete of the week. He's Ali Conway. Yeah. That was give. We'll give him an honorable mention.
00;38;46;10 - 00;39;05;18
Unknown
Honorable mention Ollie Conway as an honorable mention for sure. Because purely because of his age and his inexperience at this level. Yeah, this could be his debut World Series. Yeah. Might be he won in Morocco. That was a World Cup. This could be his debut World Series. Yeah. Well, and if he's going to go to fourth it's impressive big big things for this young man.
00;39;05;24 - 00;39;29;10
Unknown
And then in the women's what actually surprised me was Beth Pollard swim I just I'm really Welsh a good swimmer. Yeah. But I thought that she just wasn't as good as what she was in that like, break and for. Nah, she's a good swimmer. I'm, I'm upset that I didn't back my back. My go lazy tush. Yeah.
00;39;29;11 - 00;39;44;24
Unknown
I picked her to do something this year in the series, and I didn't I didn't pick her in this one for some reason. Oh, we both didn't know. Titus. Bobby, though I think we called that. She's just a strong, strong athlete. And we said that. Yeah, you said that her two 100 background this year. Yeah. Well paid dividends, didn't it?
00;39;44;24 - 00;39;59;00
Unknown
And you get to the run leg. And if you're a strong cyclist and you can roll around on a course like that and only have to do it, you know, 70% while the other girls are doing 90. Yeah. When it gets to the run, you're going to be fresh, you're going to be fresh out. You know how to run quicker.
00;39;59;01 - 00;40;20;13
Unknown
So I think she just exposed how strong she exposed the other girls with how strong she is on that bike. Again that's that was actually really exciting. Racing like it broke away in the swim quite quickly. And then there was a lot of kind of chopping and changing within the packs on the bike. And then you had these few off the front, for the win.
00;40;20;14 - 00;40;37;07
Unknown
Yeah. I didn't like Lisa at her side. Did you see them on the bike? No, I didn't, they were the the live stream was tough to watch. The live stream wasn't our I was just saying a lot of bad camera angles. And I was really excited. Yeah. Yeah. Like from my angle. Anyway, I, I struggled to watch it.
00;40;37;08 - 00;40;56;00
Unknown
They were like going yellow because she wasn't pulling on the front. And apparently she's like, the commentators are saying she's done that. Oh, you know, I think it's hard to say. I mean, especially when you when you look at the quality of girls that are in that field, when you go to Beth Potter and you go to Tyler Spivey, like, those girls are known for hitting a black.
00;40;56;00 - 00;41;14;00
Unknown
Yeah. Pretty strong. But yeah, I it's tough because if I was a phenomenal runner and if I could run, like, Laser Hirsch, I'd be doing the exact same thing. But my strength is swim bike, and I'm abusing any person that's not playing chess. But I also understand why you would do that. Yeah. So, you'll probably play to your strengths, but laser touch.
00;41;14;00 - 00;41;34;16
Unknown
Put your finger out. Pull, turn. Sad for Emma Jeffcoat. Unfortunately, our only Aussie female, who was competing got a flat tire on DNF, and she didn't look like she's having a great day, though. She looked. I think she should be back on this week. Yeah, second or third out of the water. Which is surprising for her because we know the pedigree of Emma Jeffcoat.
00;41;34;16 - 00;41;56;04
Unknown
Yeah, I think she's flown g of like three times DC maybe be tied. Yeah. Again like we said we like we spoke about it's a long season. You started racing in February. You know it's September now. It's a long time. Yeah. And probably two of the boys that think go to great who we thought you know would have gone better hiding I think that stress got to him over the shoe scandal.
00;41;56;06 - 00;42;12;17
Unknown
Good. Not sad about that. I mean, I mean, yeah, I feel as if the stress of that one really got to him, and and it shows in performance when all of those guys are at their top level, and then, hey, I was off a couple of cramps home run here. I mean, I think I kind of predicted hazard to drop the ball in this one.
00;42;12;17 - 00;42;33;25
Unknown
And again, not because I it's a long season. I very much like I picked him to win the world champs and you know I just think I think how not that he needed reminding but I think it has a needed to just drop one to realize, all right. Yeah. How bad do I want. You said that. And then he did also decide in a interview that day.
00;42;33;27 - 00;42;55;02
Unknown
Yeah. It's just like, yeah, well I'm hungry. Hungry now. How's it really. Like, what's the topic? Telepathically. I know what's going on in. He's I know, I know that body, I know, I know that, but I know that man. I know that body. But yeah, I, I'm, I'm not worried about how's, come Wollongong. Like we said the other week, he's got the maximum amount of points and just has to make it work in Wollongong.
00;42;55;03 - 00;43;24;13
Unknown
Probably been saved by Henry Graff. Yeah, yeah, 100%. Big move there. Where he's probably going. I couldn't do it. But thank fuck for Henry Grass. Yeah, because he's just stopped Hidalgo from being able to get the maximum points down and he's second. Yeah. So the best, the best Hidalgo can do is win in way high. Not sure if he's doing it, but winning way high and he'll have ding dong battle between those two.
00;43;24;13 - 00;43;45;24
Unknown
It'll be two golds in a silver. So the next best you can get. Yeah. But like we said, Wollongong can change double points. Well, grand final, it can change. I think Hayden was definitely out of the I looked and I think he's about 13 to 14. Yeah. So he's probably out of. There's no Alex. Yeah. No Alex Solomon sitting in fifth though.
00;43;45;24 - 00;44;06;23
Unknown
He could sneak up to a. Yeah. He could sneak up to a podium a potentially. And I've got him for third Henry graph the silent killer sitting in fourth. Yeah. He's been good okay. Ever since that. Really? 70 points, three Sunshine Coast. We didn't cover it last week. Yeah, there was a lot going on, but then we were like, shit.
00;44;06;23 - 00;44;27;23
Unknown
We exited the podcast, you know, a lot. 17.3 in their backyard and a couple of their mates. All right. Yeah. So yeah, it's pretty bad. Sorry, boys. Sorry, guys. But when you try to be around the world of triathlon, sometimes it's a big world. Yeah. 7.3 Sunshine Coast doesn't get mentioned for a preview. But it was.
00;44;27;25 - 00;44;46;19
Unknown
Would is cool to go through this one. Yeah. Jake Birtwhistle, Josh Ferris, young Colin. Yep. Three short coast boys. Background in the short course. Two young boys. Two? Yep. Josh and John. I'll be young. Is not that young. He's an old. Yeah. He's good, no doubt. Yeah. Young. Young. Young in the sport. Young at heart. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00;44;46;19 - 00;45;08;23
Unknown
Young heart. Immature. Yeah. Oh, you know. Yeah. So that was good to see you like Josh first and young boys coming back from injuries. Yeah. Exactly right. Those two boys like we talked about injury before. They have suffered with the whole stress reaction fracture cycle. It's it's been hard to watch both of those boys like, struggle with that over the last couple years.
00;45;08;23 - 00;45;28;22
Unknown
But then now they've cracked the code. I seem to have found something that works and 100%. And they found the nation, the long course. I think those boys just they both cert it 100% every. So they went really well on the weekend. So shout out to Josh and Johan and Jake. And then also in the women kind of classic, Australian podium.
00;45;28;24 - 00;45;55;04
Unknown
Yeah. Ellie Salthouse, she's one of our top Aussies Lottie Williams she's living here. Lives in the sunny coast. The Dutchy and then Penny Slater. So that's a pretty stock standard Aussie, female podium. But yeah, good, good racing within Australia and around the world at the moment. And we'll move on quickly to our, official B athlete of the week yet proudly sponsored by official beer JK lager.
00;45;55;04 - 00;46;18;26
Unknown
Get your hands on them. We've put them in. It's a bit of a bundle this week. Yeah, I just obviously, like we say, we're a sure course nation, but the Norwegian hop train. Yeah. You can't beat them this way. What they've done over the years, I feel as if I'm for the sport. Yeah. You can't credit anyone more than the Norwegians for kind of, as you said, bringing the hive into triathlon.
00;46;18;26 - 00;46;38;04
Unknown
It's like they're like they keep charges of triathlon, like, Yeah, they're kind of unmatched. So Jesse Lager, I hope they enjoyed a fair few of these, at least. Probably not. They'll probably just locked into their next probably trying to find the next one. I've gone back up to altitude or something. Yeah, yeah. Get JK lager in boys official be Co if you're ever on the way.
00;46;38;06 - 00;47;00;13
Unknown
If you're ever on the Goldie Norwegian hop train will happily have a couple JJ Loggins. Yep. And you can sit right here through the fat. Yep. That's it also, All righty. That is all for us this episode. Thank you very much for listening. As always, like, like, I think I say this every week, but we just love coming in here for an hour and just chewing these off.
00;47;00;15 - 00;47;17;17
Unknown
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00;47;17;17 - 00;47;39;20
Unknown
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00;47;39;23 - 00;47;41;25
Unknown
Oh.