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Two friends – Dave Gerhardt (@davegerhardt) and Casey Ford (@fordpr) – share their love of golf in podcast form as they talk shop & chat with those who have made golf their long game.
00:01.50
dave_gerhardt
All right? Casey's good to see you long game is back reaction to some good golf on Tv my friend, what's your what's your ah, what's your reaction I know you're deep, you're deep in the in the Youtube this week good to be good to be back and be able to watch some golf hu.
00:14.91
Casey
Yeah I was shocked at how much golf I watched even to the point that I barely watched any Nfl this weekend I watched I watched none yesterday.
00:25.10
dave_gerhardt
I've heard I've heard multiple people say that and it's so funny because right now between us talking all the golf podcasts and stuff that I consume everyone loves to bitch about the pj tour and what's happening with golf us included and then like Boom, There's a great tournament and like. You just have short-term memory and like everything's awesome right now.
00:44.41
Casey
And what's really incredible about this week is that that's one of the historically one of the worst most boring tournaments one of the worst fields 3 different courses kind of hard to follow. They don't have cameras at every single course on every hole but I was shocked at how how interested I was There's so much flip-lopping of the leaderboard and obviously dunlap the amateur coming through was like incredible television but it really was a good case for just the popularity of the tour I think because it really elevated that event. Um. Like you were saying too and and I just mentioned I I heard from a bunch of people that said they they didn't watch football really much yesterday I'm sure I mean football's king and golf does a good job of trying to avoid scheduling conflicts but they couldn't really avoid one this weekend and I thought it was really must see golf really.
01:37.85
dave_gerhardt
You said that it's It's historically that course is hard to cover is that a I did see people talking about the coverage like in general the ah right.
01:45.21
Casey
Well, there's 3 courses they play. So you think about the tour and all the broadcast teams. They probably have how um how much equipment do they have for each tournament. You know.
01:51.94
dave_gerhardt
Right? So so they have a fixed set of equipment. They can't just triple. They're not going to triple that for 1 one event and then they can't set up and move everything.
02:00.30
Casey
Um, yeah, that's that's me saying that I'm not sure if that's really the case of maybe it's staffing I don't know but um dunlap shot like a 60 at looking to country club on Saturday and there was like 5 different.
02:09.86
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, that was sick.
02:13.47
Casey
Like videos of it like it was very hard to find the shotlink only works I think on the main stadium course there so who knows maybe they'll put more money into it next year but I thought it was really incredible golf.
02:26.16
dave_gerhardt
It's pretty wild to think that a sophomore in college can win a Pga tour event.
02:29.84
Casey
I mean we talk about this a lot too. But I think this is the best sport in the world and this is another case for why like what name good. Let's go through all the sports football is there a 20 year old amateur just kind of stumbling onto a game and and winning a. And I don't know not a championship but winning like a big game or something it doesn't happen there baseball I mean it's so like intentional all these other sports how you get to the show and golf just has this element of you know you can have Jack Nicholas when the 86 masters 10 years after he's really. But on top of his game. You can have tiger do the same after all he went through you can have ah a kid that just turned 20 I think a month ago come and get his exemption when 2 years on on tour is really really fun to watch.
03:15.18
dave_gerhardt
Um, ah it to me. It shows how the like how good that kid must be to win that much to win the junior am to win the am to win this tournament because you got to figure like at some point being a human being nervous and feeling the pressure would would. Take over at some point and I had watched a little bit and I flipped back on when they were on 16 and he had like a fifteen foot slider and like no problem just knocked it in and I was like holy shit and that's when they that's what they they? they. That to tide him in burns at 29 and then they go to the next the par 3 and he hit it on the green and burns kind of leaked one out into the water and and I was like wow and then the up and down he made on eighteen like he he. He did what what any 1 of us would have done which is like you know send one I guess you can't go left on the whole so he so hits it way right? He hits a second shot way right? He hit a ridiculous chip I got I got some I gotta have I have some brandle stuff. We got to talk about because I wanted to hear about the technique about how he hit that chip shot and brandle's going on doing some monologue about. His guts and all this nonsense and then he made a you know 6 footer to win that was that was sick that was sick.
04:28.14
Casey
I mean that that had to be the hardest 6 footer in the history of golf right? I mean that my knees would have been I mean circumstances I don't mean I obviously don't I don't mean yeah I think as caddy said to him your mom could make this butt which I don't not sure what my caddy saying that to me. Yeah I read that after yeah.
04:33.45
dave_gerhardt
I don't I don't know about that it was It was like a pretty straight putt.
04:42.76
dave_gerhardt
Did he did he say that Yikes cancel that guy cancel him.
04:48.10
Casey
Um, ah it was cool watching like his parents and his his girlfriend. It was It was funny watching the interaction between the parents and the girlfriend She must not be Maybe they've been together for a while but didn't seem like it so it was kind of like a do we hug her. Do we embrace her. She's goingnna be in this clip forever is she going to be around forever. Um.
05:07.16
dave_gerhardt
Um, now that is weird that is something I think about I have ah I have ah somebody in my circle and they dated someone for a long time and they were always in in pictures and they'd always forced them to be in the pictures in the family pictures and then like boom all of a sudden that person's like they're not dating anymore I think.
05:07.20
Casey
But we don't need to get into his relationship yet. Let him.
05:25.84
dave_gerhardt
When you're young, you got to be careful man This guy's only a sophomore. There are only sophomores in college you know like I think about think about your relationship think about my relationship I didn't even know my wife when I was a sophomore in college. So yeah, usually got to hang back a little bit.
05:35.53
Casey
Um, yeah, yeah, but could I know.
05:41.25
dave_gerhardt
Hey, ah, we're I'm also excited because we're about to. We're finally getting to that good stretch of golf right? We got farmers this week we got the at and t next week we got waste management we're we're here man we we deft on this podcast through.
05:52.30
Casey
Win win.
05:56.39
dave_gerhardt
Through whatever the hero world challenge and the Rsm and these other nonsense tournaments. We finally got some good some good calllf here.
06:03.38
Casey
Yeah, we made it. We definitely. We definitely made it um, speaking on 18 with Dunlap that that second shotd he hit right? where him and JT had that conversation locking up the ah fairway about you smoke that guy. Ah and he hit that but like what a break that was.
06:19.20
dave_gerhardt
Oh that was a huge break. It just kind of like he he hit into the crowd and then oh the ball just kind of kept leaking and trickling like he was down in that little collection area which has seemed like a pretty reasonable chip. He could have easily been up on one of those mounds.
06:19.75
Casey
Not that not that going right? There is.
06:32.98
dave_gerhardt
And and had a much tougher chip to that back left pin. So yes, you're 100% right that was a good break.
06:35.77
Casey
And and it's not like the Us open where the the rough yougo right? or left you miss the fairway. It's going to really penalize you that it's so trampled down and you know you could see the different in the color. Just the the brown grassers the green it was almost like a big funnel. But huge break there and I really started watching I picked up.
06:42.90
dave_gerhardt
Um, yeah, ah.
06:46.70
dave_gerhardt
Yeah.
06:55.28
Casey
Yesterday Sunday I think about the eighth or ninth hole so I I got a I got a great front row review of that I think was the first or second hole I I saw him play was the the shot that he had in the water dunlap. Um, when he missed it right? and I could just see like they even said they just brought about 10 different people back into play here. With him I think he was up 3 shots at the time or 2 um, but to to have to have that kind of a collapse and then to write the ship is one of the more impressive things of the whole whole weekend. Yeah.
07:23.29
dave_gerhardt
Yeah I didn't see I didn't see that. But apparently it was like a borderline shank and yeah for me I'm a mental I'm not very mentally strong yet on the golf course and so I can tell you that if I was winning anything and then I hit one in the water there. It would have been over.
07:41.58
Casey
Um, well it's weird. It reminded me ah of like a March madness basketball game like round one where Kentucky is the 2 seat and they're down like 14 to who knows you know Wichita state central whatever and you know they're not going to win.
07:42.43
dave_gerhardt
Would have been game over. Ah I know.
07:51.88
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, sure.
07:57.83
Casey
So you're just kind of waiting like one of the wheels going to come off when like the little first sign of of trouble when is one of things going to flip and that I thought was that moment and he completely reboed with a bird. Yeah.
08:02.37
dave_gerhardt
Um, yeah, yeah, yeah, or like that game that game like it ends up being like.
08:12.56
dave_gerhardt
Kentucky ends up winning by 12 and like on paper it doesn't look like it was ever that close. But if you watched it that whole game. You're kind of waiting for that to flip you know.
08:18.93
Casey
Yeah, those are those you know the ah the charts of um, expected win. Whatever and they go like this. It's one of those like.
08:23.72
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, a couple couple other things I do like JT are you are you into JTJT guy
08:33.30
Casey
Yeah I like I like him because I think he's a he's a personality I'm not sure he completely is as deserving of all the attention at least recently that he he gets but I I find him interesting not in the same way I find like a speed interesting but I I think he's um. Like he's more of just like a a guy that's going to go out and swing it versus speed who's a lot more in his head. But I enjoy watching him play you.
08:54.87
dave_gerhardt
Yeah I mean like do do you want him like I think golf is I'm I'm good to see him back in the mix a little bit. He's he's a guy that I I think of in my head when I think of top 10 players in the world like I like. Especially with all everything that's going on with fractured golf like I want all the good guys to be good and at least have the tour have the have their best players out there doing something meaningful so that was good to see but interesting I saw this on Twitter um, so he he finished in the top 5 and then he.
09:13.20
Casey
Yeah, totally.
09:28.19
dave_gerhardt
Withdrew from this week's tournament. Why do you think somebody would why why would he do that. He just got got a couple points and he's like all right, this is good I'm off to a good start I'm not going to go play I'm not going to go play this week
09:38.97
Casey
Yeah, it's hard to tell this especially this year if the new schedule is the reason why a lot of guys are playing earlier in the year whereas the season usually started towards the fall and this would be kind of I don't know ten or fifteen weeks into the season I have to think for him. It's he missed out on a lot of stuff. End of last year because he was short on Fedex cup points. He didn't make the fedex cup playoff at all I don't think and that's why he was grinding those last three or four weeks the ones that kind of led into the the end of the season to try to get I think he got he missed the cup by like 1 or 2 but 1 I got to think he's doing that mom. And just getting reps in but 2 he doesn't like he doesn't have all the exemptions for everything so he's trying to go out and earn and heat ever since that pga championship when he hasn't really done much and he hadn't really done much before then ah, so he's kind of playing catchchup or else I'm sure he wants to make into the signature events and he probably just doesn't have the. Have the points yet I would think.
10:35.65
dave_gerhardt
What do you think about the low. What's your opinion on the scoring so far this year is that just how these tournaments are I don't know enough historically are these just always insanely low scores or is there something here where like do we need to roll. We need to roll everything back because it's just. Becoming absolutely crazy. What's your take.
10:54.99
Casey
Um I think it's just ah ah I think it's just a byproduct of the schedule and I think they they start in Hawaii and on the west coast for a reason I mean Tory pins isn't is in a cake walk. Um that that will be closer to probably 12 the. 14 under this weekend coming up. But ah I think it has to do with like you're playing 3 different courses. A huge field. Um, and I think so I heard someone say it like maybe on the broadcast like why wouldn't you want to come out here and start your season making some birdies in palm spring. So I think it's a ah like it's a it's a natural progression.
11:26.64
dave_gerhardt
Exactly exactly. So.
11:32.63
Casey
Back East from Hawaii everyone spent two or three weeks over there and I get my I've been out in that area. It's a beautiful place to play golf and just live so there's a great shot of dunlap on the last toll with like this huge mountain in the sun setting behind him. It was like this is picturesque.
11:40.83
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, the Coachella valley.
11:50.28
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, it's amazing. That's how I felt even just in vegas like golf like just the the setting there is is so cool. The cut for this event was 13 under. It's insane that 3 Oh yeah, that's right three day cut ah I just was looking at I saw I saw somebody tweet this on on Twitter. Um.
11:54.65
Casey
Yeah, it was a three day cut to.
12:08.38
dave_gerhardt
Was Monday qe info or a case. Ah, whatever that guy's Twitter account is but Justin saw was the last guy on the cutline he shot 71 67 66 imagine shooting seventy one seven 67 66 you don't make a dollar and you got to go home.
12:10.23
Casey
Yeah, so.
12:22.20
Casey
Now no, it's crazy and I heard a bunch of guys say this too but like it is an easy course. The greens are perfect so they're rolling so well, it's easy to make birdies if you're getting close to the pins. Um, but you still got to go out and do it. And some of the guys if you didn't have your putting that day like you were going to shoot maybe 2 or 3 under and that's so far behind the the field. What I found really cool about the scoring when it's this this low is people can just come out of nowhere like um I'm not even going to try to shake call him bez how do we pronounce? ah.
12:39.54
dave_gerhardt
Yeah.
12:53.37
dave_gerhardt
So I was listening to Shockgu start this I listening to shockgun startups morning. They were calling him Cbez I kind of like that cbez.
12:55.68
Casey
But days and hunt.
13:00.64
Casey
That's I'm gonna end up calling him c bass but sure see bes like he be Zaden Hunt I think ah is his last name he came out of nowhere because he he played so well. But like I I love that where in a in a tournament like the masters which is my favorite I'm not criticizing at all. But if.
13:05.60
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, yeah.
13:16.96
Casey
Like last year with ramen and keptka. There was only 2 guys that whole day that could win right? So that's fun in its own way watching 2 studs come down. But if they're 2 kind of you know, no name guys. It's a little different but I love that like even Xander made a run at the end yesterday. So.
13:20.37
dave_gerhardt
Yeah.
13:32.47
dave_gerhardt
Of course I mean have you ever watched professional I know enough about the pga toro should what a shocker were shocker xander made up a meaningless run at the end and of t three. Yeah I'm um I'm on pjtour.com going down the leaderboard a little bit and um.
13:40.98
Casey
He he loves a threaten to win but he's he's He's never never there.
13:51.10
dave_gerhardt
There's a guy on here t 14 Bronson Burgoon is that the best name you've ever heard I'm like who is this guy he turned pro in twenty ten he is 676 in the world. just just I
13:56.10
Casey
Ah.
14:04.84
Casey
Do you want to do a little impromptu. Um career money list.
14:09.12
dave_gerhardt
Yes I would love I would love to I would love to tell you I I have it right in front of me how much money has this guy made in his life case. No but on Draft Kings yes playing golf.
14:15.22
Casey
Ah, playing golf since 2010 I don't know no yes, but since he doesn't 10
14:24.00
dave_gerhardt
It says so it says turn pro Twenty ten he joined the pj two. He joined the tour in 2016 it wow come on how good are you at this game is four four point zero five so so you're 50 grand off. It's very good. Um.
14:28.31
Casey
All right I'm going to say four point one million
14:37.31
Casey
Wow who I was off by like like a half million on who last week ah I don't know someone obscured to not obscure but or he was like a million writer was it was it o kirk that's right, that's right.
14:45.38
dave_gerhardt
Ah, we looked I think it was Lee Trevino like career earnings or something like that. Oh no Chris Kirk Chris Kirk this the slinger. How did our guys? Do you want to check in on our grinder store real quick.
14:55.28
Casey
Yeah, ah, you're asking that because you probably already know there is one of us made a single dollar this weekend and it was you with cammilo vijas every single person that we picked on both sides missed the cut camilo.
15:01.19
dave_gerhardt
Though I've I've no to who was it camillo. Yeah, everybody else missed the cut.
15:12.00
Casey
When you cool $18000 so you're still about one point four million behind me in the in the season long race for the the grinders tour but ah, yeah, Camillo and to your point like we're now into the really meaty part or getting into the meaty part of the schedule. It's. Becoming harder and harder to find guys outside the one 50 that you've either. You have a hunch on or not just picking a random name so you can tell the fields they're getting stronger stronger and stronger but real quick back on on the mx um sea bez were calling them right? Does he owe does he owe dunlap some money.
15:32.87
dave_gerhardt
Yeah.
15:40.86
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, we're calling see best. Yeah.
15:46.81
Casey
So second place was supposed to was supposed to get nine hundred and fifteen thousand dollars ah first place one point five million because dunlaps an amateur he wins $0 right he gets exemptions all that stuff but he gets $0 so that it doesn't I thought it might just get redistributed I think it just they move.
15:49.12
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sure sure.
16:05.90
dave_gerhardt
Which is insane every one of those guys made a couple hundred grand more because Dunlap won this tournament right.
16:05.38
Casey
Everything down one peg so see seabes in second right? So that that is a good point I mean everyone in the field owe him a little money but I obviously it's going to be more apparent at the top cbes see bass I'm calling him. He made $600000 more than he should have.
16:19.66
dave_gerhardt
See bass. Yeah yeah, but.
16:25.10
Casey
Because Nick Donnlove was the with the amateur. So I think he I think he owes him something like not more than a dinner obviously but I don't know how that works with ah n I l how you can get money to college kids these days. Yeah, plus the caddie.
16:34.14
dave_gerhardt
But after taxes. It's basically like not that much you know that is nuts and so this is funny. My I forget it's probably my dad that always says but after after taxes you know a million and a half after taxes. He's probably 50% of that's probably going away. So. Ah, hey he just deposited a cool little you know, 70800 grand doesn't hurt any guess at cbr a guy this guy cbez um would any guess on his owgr if you don't know already.
17:05.74
Casey
I bet he's better than you'd think um I don't think he's in the outside the top one fifty because I don't think we've seen him in our list to pick I'm going to say he's number 84 wow
17:19.50
dave_gerhardt
Fifty six fifty six he he's been on to last year was his ah two years ago he joined the tour 2022 he's already made six point six yes I have he seems to be that guy I mean his name is.
17:28.53
Casey
You've heard of him before right? I yeah.
17:33.41
dave_gerhardt
He's one of those guys that just seems to be like you're watching like the the masters on a Friday and he's like you know t 6 or something like that and you're like who who is this guy but anyway this is what this is like what I love about golf is like doing these little like silly games with you like yeah, don't even care if anybody listens to this like.
17:41.67
Casey
Yeah, it was like the last guy in the president's cup or something like that.
17:53.00
dave_gerhardt
This this guy you know how good this guy is at golf and and you know he's made he's made six million bucks in 2 years on tour. He's he's top 60 in the world and he could walk down my street right now and not a single person would have any idea who this guy is.
18:04.61
Casey
I don't know about him but you can tell me if you have it up but my favorite things about guys like this these kind of international kind of guys that come out of nowhere last few years. He's from South Africa I think a hard name pronounce all this stuff and then you probably look what college you went to and it's like Texas tech.
18:15.91
dave_gerhardt
South Africa yeah
18:21.79
dave_gerhardt
Know. Yeah, yeah, that that is usually that is usually true or like ah you know like Sep where's seps st straka from us. Yeah, and but he he went to Georgia he lives in Georgia you know he plays these guys like the the he plays on the rer cup european team.
18:23.93
Casey
So like big 10 big 12 school.
18:31.74
Casey
Like Austria went to yeah yeah, yeah, like ah Matt fits Fitz Patrick did like a semester or 2 at northwestern like.
18:41.50
dave_gerhardt
It lay. Yeah, of course.
18:46.67
Casey
I know I know he's not coming from the u k that's like bright and sunny but it's just a funny pitch to someone like hey come out to Chicago you'll play for three weeks while there's still some daylight out and.
18:55.62
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, hey, ah, last last couple couple things to tie up this Nick Nick Dunlap ah Nick Dunlap thing I know he's going to make more money in his career right? And everybody's quick to be like well he it doesn't matter. He doesn't need the money.
19:00.60
Casey
Oh.
19:12.56
dave_gerhardt
It's can never feel great to be like hey you could have had one and a half million dollars say but you didn't obviously there's going to be good things coming with sponsorships and future money that he's going to have to go earn but like cheese I don't know a million and a half in the bank or you know.
19:24.19
Casey
Um, yeah.
19:29.91
dave_gerhardt
900 grand in the bank after taxes like for someone who's 2020 years old like that doesn't that's always going to sting a little bit at least that's how I think about it I'm a capitalist. What can I say.
19:36.83
Casey
Yeah, yeah, it's I guess it's just a like it's such a just a product of the setup of how amateur golfers are classified when they play in these things which whatever I mean it's to happen so infrequently I'm not whatever I'm sure it's thinking one point five million dollars not whatever but
19:44.47
dave_gerhardt
Yeah.
19:53.74
Casey
I guess in his mind he's probably justifying it would he pay one point five million dollars for a 2 year exemption that kind of exposure publicity sponsorship. you're you're right it's it's still leaving money on the table but look he knew that he signed the permission slip. He knew that going into the week you don't like it. Don't win it.
19:58.29
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, yeah.
20:10.51
dave_gerhardt
Um, so how does how does this? How does do you know how this works like does he have to decide to turn pro like does he have ah is a 2 year exemption from this date or when he decides to turn pro and is there anything that you've read or heard what he's going to do.
20:21.21
Casey
It's a great question. There's a ton of stuff flying back and forth I've seen I think it's people are figuring this out on the fly because it's again it hasn't happened in 30 3 34 years ah what I saw was that he.
20:36.58
Casey
A big consideration of what he has to do in the decisions he has to make now less so about turning pro or obviously about turning pro but he has so many exemptions for tournaments that he won through the Us amateur that could be lost if he turns pro right now. So I think I read like he's in the masters. No matter what. Because the amateur gets in plus if you win a tour event so he's got 2 ways into the masters. that's that's fine um I think the pj championship he's in either way, the us open. He gets a spot because he won the Usm last year. But I think it's the the open. That if he turned pro today or any time before the summer he would lose that exemption I believe but he could still earn it back.
21:16.82
dave_gerhardt
Ah, interesting because it that's only for that's only for the top and like the person who won the am gets to play even though that's still him so such a dumb support.
21:22.45
Casey
Yeah I think every major is a different and ah they have a different qualification ways you can get in whether it's but I think I'm pretty sure the usm gets um the masters and the the the open the the british open I'm not sure if the us open is included that but he maybe had a different way in. Could still qualify for all these things and there was some confusion whether he would qualify for the the signature events coming up which is ah are the big money ones this this season on tour. Um, but it's interesting I may imagine being like a sophomore in college and being like I'm not ready to leave college. You know like. Again, the money is the money and you apparently you know, essentially you go to school to to find a career right? and prepare you for a career if you can if you found the career you know through a few weeks of your sophomore year or a few months your sophomore year I guess you got to go take it. But what would you do.
22:14.60
dave_gerhardt
I know it's so tough because my perspective on this is now coming at this from a 30 So as a 36 year old with you know, a family and whatever. But it's hard to try. That's just ah, such a. He's a kid. He's still a kid. He's a young kid and to to give up those 2 years and like obviously it's easy to be like but the money the mom you know how good his life is you know like he's at Alabama he's the best pi he's the he's you know plays at Alabama he's one of the best golfers in the world. He's playing golf like he's probably having a blat like his life is a blast wither without the money but it's just you don't know anything could anything could happen. He could get injured. It could all go away. He could get the y w ips is like you just don't know. I kind of I'm torn on it like I feel like you got to capitalize on it when you have that momentum. He's also not like Tiger Generational doesn't seem to at least be generational talent. Um gosh I don't I don't know I'd love to see him. I think he's probably just going to have to turn pro and just go. Yeah I think he are. yeah yeah I think they said he already I when I was watching this weekend. They said he was already playing in the in the farmers anyway. So.
23:23.59
Casey
Um I I see he's in the field this week but it could just be a sponsors exemption. But if you again if you win you get a lot of exemptions. So.
23:38.86
Casey
Um, oh.
23:39.50
dave_gerhardt
Anyway, we're we're on the watch here to be interesting. It's an interesting storyline to to follow. Ah I couldn't believe the amount of your boy brandle calling him Nick Dunlop on the eighteenth hole like come on what are we doing here. Do we? Oh actually before we talk about Brandle. They had this stat which I need to just show you real quick. Um. And and you might already know this but before done dun lops dunlap 60 on Saturday. Do you know who had the lowest Pga tour round ever by an amateur until that point.
24:13.15
Casey
Um, I'm just going to use context clues and say it's it's ah Bryson just because you're such a bryson fanboy.
24:20.33
dave_gerhardt
Um, no, no, it's better than that. It's better than that. Ah Friday June Twenty Fourth Twenty Eleven you see a star Patrick Cantlay shoots 60 the lowest pj tour round ever by an amateur he shot 60 he shot a 10 under 60 ah, to take a 4 stroke lead in the 2011 travelers championship. Yeah, you did you did so that's wild. So so project Pat had a 4 stroke lead as an amateur going in the final round of the travelers which obviously he he didn't win or we would have heard about it. But that's wild.
24:39.64
Casey
I got the concept right? 1 of your fanboys right? Just the wrong guy. Well that is.
24:53.70
Casey
Yeah, he probably had like an he had like an econ paper to the next day so he had to bail early.
24:56.29
dave_gerhardt
Good for you Pat he doesn't need to study. He doesn't need to study for that and okay, also I had this queed up um, would you rather this is a would you rather would you rather have the one and a half million dollars um for winning or finishing second in this tournament. Or a lifetime supply of malbon golf apparel which would you rather have.
25:20.50
Casey
Who can I donate the Melbo Apparel or so ah resell it.
25:22.50
dave_gerhardt
yeah yeah I mean hey dude do you know how much streetwaar resells for like that that shit's fire bro that would be that would be crazy I love reading. So so if you go on Instagram and you see any of the jason day mount malbon stuff like.
25:30.79
Casey
Yeah I'd probably just take the money and then buy the malbon stuff right? and then send it to you.
25:41.11
dave_gerhardt
It's literally split right down the middle half of the comments are like you This is dope streetwear in the golf. You don't understand and then the other half is like I What what is what is he wearing.
25:49.41
Casey
Is this is this like an Australian street where trend thing that we're just not up on. Are we sure that it's not.
25:54.76
dave_gerhardt
Um I don't think so I don't now I'm pretty sure like malbon I'm pretty sure. Malbon is is ah it's just so l a but yeah, they're the the Los Angeles based lifestyle brand malbon wants people.
26:06.19
Casey
I First I thought they were australian.
26:10.48
dave_gerhardt
Malbon wants people to associate the word cool with golf and lifestyle surrounding the sport a let's make golf cool again you and me we're goingnna we're going to make a streetwear brand. We're going to bring back. We're Goingnna revive cutter and buck I think that's our opportunity.
26:17.28
Casey
Ah, great making golf cool again.
26:28.45
dave_gerhardt
You know you've said you you said you always want to get into clothing and make a clothing brand like this is the opportunity long game apparel with like really long you know shirts and everything. So.
26:28.52
Casey
Um, all right? Yeah, all right cutter and bucks I Guess where we start.
26:38.33
Casey
yeah yeah I like that I like that idea that's that's cut this. So no one steals it no one makes a competitive offer to to cutter and buck against this. Well you want talk about brandall for a second you brought him up and then.
26:44.85
dave_gerhardt
Um, alright, where should we go where what do we need to do do we need do farmers. Yes let's talk about Brandle. You texted me I'm making the kids lunches watching the end of the game watching end of the golf last night um you said you got some brand will take so hit me.
27:04.55
Casey
Yeah I don't know if I have branded takes I have um just a hot take He doesn't bother me like at all does he bother you I think he bothers a lot of people but I is the thing about him I I don't it doesn't he doesn't rub me though.
27:11.79
dave_gerhardt
Um, okay, no I'm I'm into that. Ah no, he no.
27:22.26
Casey
Like he's very um, like you're saying he's a little long windded right? He's not going to give you the x's and o as much as he's going to set the stage for like paint the picture of where how this moment fits into the history of the game. He's kind of like a historian like that. Um, but I think there's just so much piling on with him. With like the Brooks Thing and the live stuff that people just love to you know pile on and now he's like the face ah or the enemy face of golf for all the live people. He says some ridiculous things so does just about everyone on Tv um.
27:54.50
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, it's tough. It's tough to be.
27:56.88
Casey
But I don't know I find I'm sometimes insightful I don't think like I don't there's no one on tv I I agree with everything they say but he I think he gets way too much it and he kind of I know he's done the boot before but he really seamlessly fit and he could have been part of like a ah 10 person crew you know, um and you wouldn't have really noticed him.
28:11.66
dave_gerhardt
Yeah.
28:14.95
Casey
Which I think is kind of a compliment. You know when I went to him it did I didn't stop so much and and be like oh this is brandle I was just you know I found myself listening to what he had to say.
28:21.57
dave_gerhardt
No I don't I don't have a problem with him at all I think he's become like almost a meme of sorts in Golf Twitter and in golf culture I have no problem with him I thought he I thought he did a good job personally and I this is not an not a knock on brandle I'm just more interested in like when they.
28:27.49
Casey
Um, yeah, yeah.
28:40.87
dave_gerhardt
I love the player and he what he was a player obviously I like the I like the bringing in a player former player who knows a little bit who talks a little bit more about the game a little bit and like you know why you might hit this club or this club and you're going to flight this club down and he's going to. And so I thought Kiz was I thought Kevin Kshner was was just better in that. But I I subscribed this newsletter from this guy Jeff Shackleford who's like a golf golf course you know architecture guy I'm a big golf course architecture guy.
29:05.66
Casey
Um, is great.
29:09.58
dave_gerhardt
And he said in his newsletter that I had this morning speak of chamblet. He was a noticeable upgrade over Kevin Kisner's bro heavy rooting during the century the controversial golf channel pundit delivered refined observations and analysis. You'd hope to hear in a lead chair even if I don't ever recall his Texas accent ever being that strong. Ah.
29:25.45
Casey
This is yeah but this is exactly this is kind of my thing like why does like I know this is how the world works now. So I don't want to sound naive but like why is one versus the other. Why couldn't you have both like why couldn't you ever broadcast Both those guys.
29:27.84
dave_gerhardt
Unnecessary shots at kids for.
29:39.95
dave_gerhardt
Yeah.
29:42.23
Casey
Like kids on whatever hole. So and so and whatever I guess it's like you want the main guy the main second color guy or the guy now they're they're trying to figure it out.
29:44.87
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, well I think they don't know what they're doing yet. They're trying to find they're trying to find yeah, they're trying to figure it out apparently everybody that follows golf coverage closely. Maybe this is u k I'm cures you hear your pin. They they rave about Cbs Cbs is like outpacing Nbc would you agree with that. The Cbs has their golf product on Tv a little bit more dialed.
30:08.74
Casey
Yeah I think Cbs knows who they are a little more I think that I mean as you're seeing now Nbc's going through a lot of people but I feel like to me, it's more I never really thought until recently more. Ah so much about like critically about these golf announcers. I've been I'm a huge sports fan like I cannot I hear Reggie Miller's voice I get like hair on the back. My my head stands up like I'm I I there's so many announcers in different sports that I try to avoid like Phil Sims like that was like like this back in the day. I never really had that so much for golf because there's so many different people that they're throwing around to but I I don't know I he doesn't bother me I think.
30:47.87
dave_gerhardt
Sorry outside of Reggie who who is who is who is your most hated television voice. It's Reggie.
30:58.70
Casey
Um, yeah, he's up I mean there's guys that I just I guess color and play by play is a different conversation. Um, there's play by play guys I hear when I tune in like if it's a national game. Whatever sport. That I'll be like oh this guy kind of like this this guy's you know? plane Jane is I'm not going to get much then there's the 2 or 3 guys that are like the best like the mike brains the Mike Corman's ah in the basketball world like yeah like like ah yeah I I don't he's not one of my favorites. He can be a little bit. Um I don't know.
31:21.92
dave_gerhardt
Iron eagle.
31:32.38
Casey
I don't know a little bit cheesy sometimes I feel like but I don't mind I think he's great. Ah, but the Reggie Millers ' Chris Weber who I think they got rid of was pretty bad for a while too. Um, but I never I never had that with golf so much. But for me it was. It's like these are the people on that like i. I don't even need to see the channel or the peacock or the Cbs I like I used to just be able to like walk into a room while a golf broadcast was on I could tell you like oh I know this is Nbc ever since they got rid of Johnny Miller or I guess you retired maybe four or five years ago it seems like they're just searching for a whole new kind of revamp and. Um I guess I like um, who's the host Terry Gannon now sometimes it's Dan Hicks too I like I think I like Terry Gan a little better than Dan Hicks what do you think.
32:13.12
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, yeah.
32:19.33
dave_gerhardt
Yeah I don't know then that that that Nbc Braras kind of always. Ah, they're all very wait was this Nbc this week was it golf channel. Yeah yeah, ah, that's always kind of you know.
32:26.00
Casey
Yeah, it was it was it was but it Nbc gives me like because when I hear Dan Hicks I'm thinking like I'm listening to like the 4 by one hundred freestyle like Michael Phelps is like an olympic thing whereas I don't see it I like when I hear.
32:39.60
dave_gerhardt
Ah.
32:44.57
Casey
Dan Hicks I don't think of him as like a golf specific guy even though that's what he does the majority of a I don't nbc. It's a little strange. Yes I do of course I do but that happened on the internet of course I remember that.
32:49.28
dave_gerhardt
You remember when Bob you remember when Bob Casas had pink eye during the olympics but and he like acknowledged it. He like acknowledge acknowledges. Yes, and yes I do have pink eye or something like ah.
33:01.24
Casey
I Love shit like that. No.
33:04.37
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, me too. All right? Let's talk about let's talk about the farmers real quick and I I do want to tell you a story that I've been putting off for a while today. So let's talk about the farmers. Do I need to do guest a sponsor for this one. It's the it's the farmers insurance. So we are farmers. Don't do and du done. Yeah, we know it.
33:09.35
Casey
Sure. So now you know it? Yeah now do you know that farmer this is I think one of the this is not the last one but 1 of the I think they have 1 or 2 after this they're they're not renewing their.
33:27.26
dave_gerhardt
They're out. Yeah, which is smart like who could how do you measure this I'm um, like as a marketing guy myself like who the cmo of farmers like are they able to say that they got.
33:29.10
Casey
Their sponsorship of of the event.
33:42.71
dave_gerhardt
7 more people to buy their insurance this this year because they sponsored the farmers I have no fucking idea how this works and.
33:48.65
Casey
Well, they dropped Ricky too. Well I don't know if they dropped them but I don't know if they're going to renew that either and he's not there which I think he's like basically co-host this event every year real quick on farmers and going back to ah Nick Dunlap and the the mx last week I sent you that screenshot last night but they had a Nbc put up. Um.
34:02.43
dave_gerhardt
Chirp.
34:06.18
Casey
Golf channel put up a big ah graphic of the I think it's the 8 or 9 amateurs to win on the tour since 1940 obviously dunlap yesterday or this weekend Nicholson and 91 but 1 of the guys gene litler 1954 he won the 1954 farmer's insurance open. This goes back to a parent I'm sure that wasn't the first one like this thing goes back years and years so that's kind of the big deal that they're going away right? like to your point like how do you measure it. It's something they just got into like ten years ago this is how have they been measuring it since that's crazy. Yeah.
34:30.49
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, yeah.
34:36.20
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, just part of their brand now and it's always been. It's always been the farmers at Tory that's always been been the event.
34:43.12
Casey
I Don't know if it's always been a tory but I'm just based on this graphic 1954 farmers insurance open like I get to think I don't know like when if you had if you gave me if I had no idea and you gave me a list of all pj tour events and back which ones predate like the 60 s. I would not have had farmers insurance open on that list. Would you have It's kind of a shocking one.
35:03.50
dave_gerhardt
Um, no I don't yeah I think outside of like the majors and the players I'm not even sure to be able to to tell you one and just to think that a brand like for a brand to be around that long and investing in the pj tour that long is is pretty wild. All right? Let's let's do our grinders. Let's do our our grinders picks for the week.
35:23.44
Casey
You you real quick. You want me to mention Frank Stranahan who in 1945 won the durham war bond tournament that was the name of the the the presenting sponsor.
35:32.13
dave_gerhardt
Now Now do you think? do you think that was like to promote War bonds was it if you won you got war bonds. How do how do you think that worked.
35:39.79
Casey
Yeah, and who's Durham the durham war bond tournament and like after the war where they that still the sponsor or was it like the durham peace time I don't know we got to do. We're gonna do more digging on this I think there's something here Dave climbing into old sponsored.
35:44.64
dave_gerhardt
You.
35:57.96
Casey
Tournament sponsored names from like the 50 s and sixty s I think there's there's one of these on the list. The guy who won the 1954 he won the north and south championship that's just the name but which I'm pretty sure is just the civil war the north and himself Carrie Middleoff 1945 so
35:59.22
dave_gerhardt
Um, yeah.
36:10.28
dave_gerhardt
Um, North and South championship.
36:15.24
dave_gerhardt
He was. He was a flusher that guy.
36:15.55
Casey
So help with this 3 guy amateurs one. Yeah, he now he sure was in the north but he he took it to the south. Okay, you want to go do picks so we're we're at tory pines this weekend. Pretty good field. Um, not the best but it's not. It's not a signature event near nor was last week but.
36:24.51
dave_gerhardt
Um, yeah.
36:34.82
Casey
I think people again wouldn't you rather go make birdies in palm springs than hack out of the rough at Tory pins and defending to tournament champion max homema I don't believes in the field again. But again, we're picking outside the one fifty just as a recap on year to date.
36:39.85
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, sure sure next home. Ah.
36:50.72
dave_gerhardt
Um, but did you say he's not just say he's not in the field. Why would he not play.
36:54.36
Casey
I don't think he's in the field this week is he? That's a good question I'm not sure why not. But I don't see him. Um, oh maybe he is. He is sorry there is a good question. Ok well I I was going to say we I don't think we've ever had this before so you won last week.
36:59.47
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, come on who does your research can I get a first pick can I get a first pick. There's something around here.
37:14.28
Casey
So I'm going to get whoever wins can determine if you want to go first or second in the snake draft go for it.
37:19.51
dave_gerhardt
Yeah I want to go first and I'm trying to get off I'm trying to get some some momentum here and so I'm gonna stop overthinking a little bit. This guy is number one fifty five in the world he has won on tour in the past 2 seasons. Ah his name is ah. Davis don't call me Riley Davis Riley that's my first pick. Um and then I only get 1 pick all right? Yo go ahead, you're up I don't know how the snake draft works yet.
37:36.18
Casey
I like it. You only get one picture. We're going to figure it out one of these days I swear um I'm going to go with some guys that I believe are in the field on medical exemptions not to um. Circumnavigate the the rules here I'm going to go first go with Mr Johnny Vegas number four ninety four in the world he was a t 25 last year at this exact tournament and and then for my second pick on the back to back double I'm going to go guy who made his his debut.
38:00.76
dave_gerhardt
Um, yeah, well.
38:12.50
Casey
Ah, last week in palm springs for the first time since I believe the open at Brookline ah, the the us opened a brookline last year this would be I'm ongoing with Daniel Berger you did I saw this it's funny as this is we talked about this a little bit but you see him be like oh he finished.
38:20.81
dave_gerhardt
Wow Did he play he played this week right? How did he? This is first time back.
38:31.21
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, how he made the cut.
38:31.89
Casey
But 8 under. It's like a really shitty week. He was 8 under he did but it's hard to tell like I can't tell you how well he played just by his score because.
38:40.28
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, right t t thirty nine 68 68 67 68 t thirty nine Height could you imagine not playing professional golf for basically 2 years and and breaking seventy four days in a row. It's just all right? So so you got your guys. Um, speaking of speaking of.
38:44.99
Casey
What's that like a minus ala what is that.
38:50.19
Casey
no no I can't I got 2 You've got 2 in a row.
38:57.97
dave_gerhardt
Yeah I got I'm Goingnna go with Matt Maverick Mcnely ah also on a major medical exemption here and I'm also going to take parker cooty he was um, a corn ferry tour stud I don't know why I'm picking him. Um you know, just some something to watch this weekend and C O O D Y.
39:12.47
Casey
How do you spell that last name coy. That's how we're pronouned. We'd think it's cooty. Okay, right? Well you came in hot with some mulin takes last week So I want to make sure.
39:17.64
dave_gerhardt
Parker cooty yes, but put those yeah we come on. It's ridiculous. It's like someone trying to print over pronounce your your your last name malbo. It's Malbo Malbo yeah
39:31.17
Casey
You go we think I'm not sure. Ah, we'll have to go to Australia or l a where they again, we'll figure that out that's right, all right? My last pick I got a bunch of guys to consider here Hayden Springer who had a great story made it to q school. He actually had a.
39:37.18
dave_gerhardt
Ah, Tory San Diego California
39:45.86
dave_gerhardt
Um, yeah.
39:48.90
Casey
Share the lead for a little bit I think on Thursday Friday last week I was considering him but I think I'm going to go with number one fifty seven in the world. He's made the cut here at least 5 years in a row that I can see it's Mr. Kevin Strellman 1 of those names where you not very exciting. Be. ve seen him at some point on a leaderboard many times over the last few years so you got davis rally maverick mcneil and parker coudio ah a pretty good name team I got johnny vegas daniel berger and kevin struman all right? So we will see you've got about a one point four million dollar hole in this.
40:10.50
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, yeah, I've seen that yep mcneilly and Parker cootie.
40:27.97
Casey
Season long grinders tour challenge. We've got here and the the losers gonna have to caddy for the other person, especially the better fields now we're gonna have to something different for the majors because it just there won't be a ton of guys like at the masters that are plus one fifty plus
40:32.91
dave_gerhardt
It's hard man outside the one fifty there's not a lot of guys that like I know or like or.
40:40.58
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, yeah, we just need to flip a coin and I can pick scottie shuffler each major and I'll get back into this.
40:46.21
Casey
Yeah, you can have on hell caber at the at the masters this year if he gets his visa thing worked up.
40:51.51
dave_gerhardt
Um, do you have any make the cases or inner O B or or do you want me to tell you a story.
40:55.11
Casey
You I have a few but I want you to tell me the story First we can end with that.
40:59.39
dave_gerhardt
Okay, um, all right? So here. This is a story. So I guess this is in this is in the realm of inner ob or relaxed bro. It's just not that serious. But at the course that I play out of there's ah, there's a there's a bunch they do a bunch of different season long tournaments thing that you can do so. I usually play so last year is my first like foray into competitive golf and so I did these are outside of the the club that I play at this is like Vermont golf association tournaments just try to play in some stroke play things the yadada yeah, but they also have some kind of season long things at the at the golf course that I that I play at and.
41:35.56
Casey
Um.
41:37.37
dave_gerhardt
I like to play in them because I like to just get in guaranteed golf days where I know that I can play but I don't have to go find 3 or 4 people to go play with yeah.
41:43.82
Casey
This is like a Fedex cup kind of thing where you're accumulating points for something or it's just like a weekly.
41:49.36
dave_gerhardt
No, this is this they call it. It's called the president's cup and what it is is just a match play bracket that takes like the year to get through right? and so anybody can play in it and it's um, it's adjusted based on your handicap and so I've played a match I'm a. Um, a 2 I've played a match against a 9 or a fourteen or a zero and you know it it gets challenging as you play guys that are you know for me to be a 2 and play a guy that's a 9 that's a tough match That's a tough match to win giving giving 7 strokes right? And so um, you you play you play throughout the year you win a match you keep going. I get pair with this guy last year who is a notorious. He's a zero zero scratch golfer good good player but he's a notorious ah rule rule bender rule breaker ah, but he himself cares a lot about the rules and so it's very sneaky and a friend of mine said hey. Be careful in this match fy this guy's been known to call you on tickytack been been known to call people out on tickytack things. He is also one to like do ticky tack things and try to get away with it like I heard there was a story that somebody told me where. He hit hit one o b kind of replayed from a weird drop on the next te he's like actually no, we did that wrong I should be able to go back and replay the hole and they were like what it's not how this works long story short I a to he's a 0 He's not happy about it because he's getting to. He's getting 2 strokes. Okay, ah.
43:09.15
Casey
Wow.
43:20.50
dave_gerhardt
I go to up early I'm on the seventh t this guy's grumbling I have my back. My golf bag says djao golf coaching on it which is the guy that I take lessons from I'm try to support try to support. My guy is a great guy I friend of the pod I go to up early this guy mumbles to me on the fifth hole. He goes.
43:30.94
Casey
Friend of the pod.
43:39.65
dave_gerhardt
God How am I fucking how am I giving strokes to a guy who has his golf coach's name stitched on his bag and I was like oh here we go to me and it was just me and him La he's like ha.
43:45.75
Casey
He said this to you like like low like low enough that you could hear it or he was like saying it to you.
43:55.79
dave_gerhardt
Ah, funny I'm giving jokes to a guy who's got his golf coach's name on his bag and I don't have any friends this is. We're playing on a Tuesday afternoon it took us forever to schedule this match because I got kids I have a life he he does not and so there was a lot. There was a took it was insane to schedule anyway. So I'm like oh here we go and he ah can can run a bit hot.
44:04.12
Casey
Um, yeah.
44:15.64
dave_gerhardt
And so I'm too up now. He's already made that comment I'm like here it comes here. It's coming seventh hole I hit my I had a drive way left onto the driving range. He hits his in the fairway I go I'm gonna go I'm gonna hit another one I tee it up I hit it. We're walking down the fairway and he goes. Yeah, you know you really gotta say oh no on the te box he goes I go I'm gonna hit another one tee it up. He goes. He goes provisional right? I go yes I hit it again. My ball is in the fairway we're walking down the fairway he goes. Yeah, you know I said that because.
44:46.92
Casey
Are.
44:52.34
dave_gerhardt
You really got to be careful out here. Some guys would call you on that and I'm like in my head I'm like call me on what we just said is it a provisional I go find my ball. It's fine over there I hit it on the green from over there I two putt I make a 4 he makes a 5 nobody says anything he picks up my ball in the middle of air. He throws it to me. We walk to the eighth t he gives me the t because I won the whole so I'm three up now long story short. We go to sixteen sixteenth hole I won sixteen I think I'm three up because I am 3 up i.
45:22.86
Casey
So you're not playing anymore.
45:26.50
dave_gerhardt
I'm not playing anymore tap in my ball I want to get home. It's it but whatever we're on 1718. We're way out by. We're way out like we just might as well finish anyway, play the last 2 holes on 16 I hole out. He just storms off and goes to 17 and I'm like okay weird like I just won the match normally any normal person would be like hey man good. You know good match like acknowledging the match is over I'm like well that's strange. He didn't say anything he gets up to 17 in a huff teas off on 17 hits his ball in the green two putts I'm just kind of dicking around I don't.
45:44.31
Casey
Um, yeah.
45:58.16
dave_gerhardt
Whatever we go to 17 we go to 18 he teas off again on 18 he hits his ball way left on eighteen oh b he takes his sweet as time he's he retes I'm like hey man like let's just get this thing in the clubhouse like the sun's setting like we don't need to you don't need to hit a provisional here like the match is over. He goes. What. The matches and the match isn't over I'm one up I said wait what he goes? Yeah I'm we're on the eighteenth t I've I've I've ah it's over the match is over I won I was 3 up on 16 3 and 2 so he thinks that he won.
46:18.53
Casey
So wave just reset the stage. You think your you think you've won them. You're on the you and you think you're what you think you're you up through up 3 and 2
46:35.91
dave_gerhardt
17 right? So he he thinks he he because I didn't play out the hole so he he thinks he won 17 and so somehow in his mind I think maybe it was 2 Maybe I was two up on so on 16 No the the match hadn't been over so I was 3 up he thinks he thinks I'm only he thinks I'm only one up on 18
46:45.66
Casey
Great.
46:54.85
dave_gerhardt
Long story short this guy' said a word to me in about 45 minutes I said hey man you know if you need you don't need you don't need to hit another one this this matches over he goes. What are you talking about? he goes I'm only one down I go what he goes? Yeah I won 17 he goes I won 17 and actually oh no, this is what it was. He says you lost. 7 I said what he said? Yeah man we're we're even right now we you were only 2 up on 16 he goes I told you I told you you shouldn't hit that ball on 7 I'm like wait.
47:24.95
Casey
And again going back to seven seven was the one where you you give me 7 again, right right.
47:30.77
dave_gerhardt
7 I hit a provisional seven I hit I hit my first driveway left second drive down the fairway I before I hit the before I hit the second ball I said I'm going to hit another one. He goes provisional right? Found my ball I won the hole.
47:40.80
Casey
Right? Yeah, yeah, okay and then you found your your first of near the driving range on the grain. Yes.
47:48.80
dave_gerhardt
He doesn't mention he doesn't mention it on that whole he let he leads me to the I take the eight t he doesn't say anything so it's been 2 hours since he's mentioned this provisional of which he said out loud. This is a provisional right.
47:54.20
Casey
Um, yeah, yeah.
48:00.99
Casey
Yeah.
48:03.97
dave_gerhardt
So he goes on the middle of the eighteenth fairway he's looking for his ball left I'm hit mine in the middle of fairway. He goes no dude. We're even right now he goes I told you you shouldn't hit that ball on seven I go yeah like you should have like.
48:12.84
Casey
Like you shouldn't hit the provisional you you've somehow lost the hole because you hit a provisional but you just said him'm hitting another one. He didn't You didn't use the the like the term he wanted to use or maybe.
48:19.84
dave_gerhardt
And I didn't so I didn't say like this is a provisional I'm hitting another one. Sorry the the 3 guys that I play golf this happened on a Tuesday night and the 3 guys that I play golf with on Wednesday morning we we looked this up and 2 of them are like rules aficionados they ate this up. It's it was acknowledged that that ball was a was a provisional which is separate from separate from the point.
48:31.34
Casey
That's well.
48:37.77
Casey
Um, yeah.
48:45.20
Casey
Initial 18
48:45.39
dave_gerhardt
So and let me let me I'll get I'll get back in a second I so I've never done this in my life. A physical like feeling came into my body that I have never felt before in my life because it's just to ah, it's just the 2 of us out there. This is a recreational match for some meaningless thing at the club right? and I go.
48:58.49
Casey
Um, yeah, yeah.
49:02.68
dave_gerhardt
Have heard all these things about this guy anyway and he was a pain in the ass to me trying to get him scheduled to play in this match in the first place so he goes he goes. Yeah man, we're even I go no fucking way I goes dude I was 3 up on 16 he goes. Yeah man he goes you lost that hole on 7 because you hit the provisional I'm like what do you You didn't say anything to me on 7 you gave me the t on eight you're not, you didn't say anything and by the way I did I said you said provisional, right for all those reasons this is nuts the match is over I picked up my ball in the middle of the eighteenth fairway and I just went fuck you and I I walked home I walked to my car and I got in the car 5 minutes
49:35.34
Casey
Um, you took your ball and left.
49:41.10
dave_gerhardt
Literally took my ball left I'm like I'm not giving you the pleasure. The the pleasure of this best part is I find out later he goes into the golf shop and tells the pro like what happened and the pro is like hold hold on. So you said it was a provisional and you you think you like the whole thing was nuts.
49:55.89
Casey
Um, yeah, yeah.
49:57.43
dave_gerhardt
And that was my first like real life example of like wow this is what happens in recreational amateur golf. There are people out there like this and let let me just replay this for you. Even if I didn't even if the even if you have to say provisional like. Did either of us not know that was a fucking provisional. This is a recreate like you're going to be that guy in a 1 on one like recreational golf match at your golf course to be yep, yep, you didn't say provisional. You knew I hit it. That's how this game works on top. There's it's nuts.
50:24.31
Casey
Yeah,, that's there's like when I hear stories like this I don't think about like I'm I'm already passed the like how ridiculous it is I'm I'm more doing like a psychological evaluation on this person like what's wrong with this person that. Like is there anything you would like to do in your life where you win or come out on top that way like what is the what is the especially if you're like a a stick handicap right? You're you're putting in the time for what to cheat people out of shit.
50:46.50
dave_gerhardt
no no I dude I we we were I was talking about this with a couple of guys that I play with even if that was in like the the Vermont am like a serious tournament right. If the guy in my group said I'm going to hit another one and he hit another one and he didn't use the term provisional. You think I'm going to mark up his card and give him like a double when he made a bogey of course, not we all know you're hitting another one. You got to hit another one anyway and the fact that it was in this these circumstances like That's what made my blood boil more than anything I'm like this matters for nothing and I was like you know what? dude if you want to if you want to say that you won this match have it.
51:27.88
Casey
I Guess some questions you may have mentioned this the toppa. How olds this person ish. Okay and is a member at the club have you seen this person since.
51:34.10
dave_gerhardt
I don't maybe maybe like early 30 s yeah I have and ah have ignored this person at every opportunity that I've had. Ah yes.
51:45.54
Casey
Um, does this person have friends at the club.
51:50.80
dave_gerhardt
But friends is term is is loosely almost everybody that I know has a story like this and has has a story about this person being a somewhat like character that does some things that you're like you'd play golf with him but you're like man that that guy's kind of like weird or not weird but like he's always got a thing.. There's always, ah, there's always something that happens like you're a you're a scratch golfer This has happened scratch golfer you shoot 82 on the first day of the club championship and then then then you don't play the rest of the weekend because you hurt your wrist. He's that he's that guy anyway.
52:20.80
Casey
Yeah, got you? So how did what? what was the? what was the outcome like how did it fit? Yeah yeah.
52:26.75
dave_gerhardt
The outcome was I want was I won the the outcome was I won the match he went and he went into the clubhouse to try to like you know, expect something else I went in I wrote my name on the list and I emailed the next guy in the bracket and I said hey John we're supposed to play our next match like can you play on Tuesday at. At Eleven o'clock and we and we moved on.
52:44.26
Casey
And that guy's like yeah Dave you won I'm not playing the other guy. Ah, that's it's insane real quick. The last week was the Sony open right? I'm getting my Hawaii tournaments yet the second was thewai that was the 3 man playoff.
52:52.21
dave_gerhardt
Here. Yes I didn't I didn't catch it. No.
52:58.41
Casey
Did you catch that did you happen to catch that it was um Grace and murray won but it was also Keegan and Ben on I think when they got to the eighteenth. Ah te box where they that was the first play a full you know how you got to identify your ball that you just like these 3 guys just mumbled dotra they're like I got to.
53:06.15
dave_gerhardt
Um, yeah.
53:13.62
dave_gerhardt
Yeah.
53:17.77
Casey
I can play in bubble bla but it was like obviously you don't need to know what ball Keegan Bradley's hitting because you're going to know where it is. There's 30000 people watching this live right now but it's still the rule right? and these guys just completely I was blown away by how they're just like well. Not a single one of them heard what each other said like I got this with a yeah I got a circle but and they all said at the same time. The rules guy was right there like it's a it's ah what do they say? It's like the spirit of the rule like people that take it that seriously are just like I play in a ah, a very serious.
53:36.20
dave_gerhardt
Um, right, a srixon 7 with a blue line. Yeah.
53:47.25
dave_gerhardt
Yeah.
53:54.17
Casey
Member guest. It's a 4 day member guest every year in Maine. It's like a hundred and fifty year old tournament probably a hundred year old. It's people take it really really seriously and a lot of older people take it really really seriously and my dad and I think we've played I don't know 121314 years in this. You end up playing 3 or 4 matches a year or you know and during that week and and I but going back to high school to I've played a ton of match play I probably played over 10050 match play matches in my life. Our goal every year is just don't be an asshole and I know it sounds like easier than. Should but you be blown away by how petty people are how and it goes back to that thing. Why do you like how how can you ever go home if that guy if you were like fuck it. Whatever you can have the win. How is that guy going home and being like good I accomplish it's like are you so removed from reality that you think it's right, but don'
54:42.10
dave_gerhardt
That yeah, that's that that's why yeah he he would be the first he would be the the two years ago in the club championship. He.
54:49.53
Casey
And to your point he's the rules stickler.
54:56.49
dave_gerhardt
He threw a fit because one of the guys in front of us had a greens book which was completely legal to have So anyway this is one of the things that drives me nuts about golf is there. There are people like this. However, you know what case there's people like this that play we used to play in a pickup basketball league. You know you might play in a men's softball league. There's always.
55:04.80
Casey
Crane's vote.
55:14.28
Casey
That's different.
55:15.67
dave_gerhardt
There's always someone you throw a human in sports in a not in ah in a it's it's nuts and so that's why you know you you hear stories like Patrick Reed on tor or whatever like people are gonna be people wherever at whatever level you're at I just couldn't believe like I couldn't believe that that that that was the outcome. And now now this is the story like how do you not have the self-awareness to know like I'm going to tell this story on this podcast I'm going to tell it to everybody that I've ever played golf with like hey.
55:42.24
Casey
Yeah, and and you were saying like this guy has a he said something like he has a reputation or he's known for being a guy that but but in life I don't know what the full list is but it's like don't kill anyone don't be this kind of person and never be the kind of person where they say oh that guy a lot of people. Like don't be a person that stands out in a bad way to a group of like uncommon people that just share this one view on you. That's on you.
56:03.12
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, the the problem is you can say that you can say that I completely agree but it's usually that person who lacks the self-awareness to even have this conversation in the in the first in the first place and so.
56:12.31
Casey
Yeah.
56:17.45
dave_gerhardt
When I told this story to other people even people that I didn't even know that well like through golf they're like oh yeah I've I've heard stuff like that about him before. So.
56:22.53
Casey
Yeah, and the and the cheating and the being like a rule meister always goes hand in hand because like to exploit the rules and to break them. You've got to know them better than anyone that is a ridiculous one.
56:28.89
dave_gerhardt
Of course, of course imagine but imagine imagine like I didn't fight that or I didn't I imagine like imagine you you won you went to bed at night you won your match based on a little tiny rule loophole. That you didn't bring up for two and a half hours and then on the eighteenth hole you're like oh yeah, remember that thing that we didn't talk about two and a half hours ago that was wrong. You lose I win you're gonna go home that night and be like yeah baby won my match like um I don't want that I don't need that I got enough going good things going on in my life I don't want that. So. That's what drives me nuts about golf.
57:05.60
Casey
I'm with you. That's that's ridiculous and I love that you now have this like mortal enemy there I mean he he has many enemies so it's not unique, but for you, you have 1 and that's someone you you know you're going to find yourself in a ton with that guy.
57:13.39
dave_gerhardt
Like yeah hey I I see I see these things as positives I'm like you know what? I've now weeded that guy out of my life I'm not I don't have to play golf with him ever again.
57:24.77
Casey
Well, that's what I'm saying you might not have like ah how many tournaments do you play where you could be matchched up with that guy again. Ah let me tell you Dave I know our our grinders tour thing is the loser has to catdy for the other person.
57:30.82
dave_gerhardt
A couple a couple. There was almost 2
57:41.78
Casey
If you get matched up with a guy I need like like 5 hours notice that's it like if it's a thing like oh I just found out tomorrow match up this guy I'm in a car with my caddie uniform on the way there and I will have a rule book I'll have the I'll have every rule book in the world I'll the live rule book with me.
57:43.93
dave_gerhardt
You want to come? Ah, what is.
57:57.32
dave_gerhardt
Let's go let's go I Love that That's the type of energy that I want and anybody that I've told this story to they've had. They've had this similar. They've had this similar reaction.
58:02.40
Casey
Ah.
58:04.73
Casey
So if that's it in in our inner out I'm out on that guy I'm also I'm in on you saying fuck you and when you say fuck this or fuck you yeah.
58:10.40
dave_gerhardt
Um, yeah I said fuck you and I like I didn't even I try to be a very very kind person in public like I just I try to always take the high road. I try to never talk shit about anybody I am definitely on I don't know if you listen to shotgun star but the end on Fridays they do this segment called golf advice and every one of their listeners writes in and they have you have to It's like a running joke on the pod. But you say like how old you are if you have kids or not and what level of appetite you have for a fight and so I'd be like. I'm thirty six years old I have two kids I have absolutely 0 interest in fighting. That's a different answer than if I was 20 like when I was 23 like when we're at 23 in basketball city like we would've scrapped now I have no interest in that anymore. So I try to never ever do anything that will take something to that level.
58:55.41
Casey
Um, yeah.
58:57.66
dave_gerhardt
In that moment. It just came out of me because I like physically could not believe this was happening.
59:00.54
Casey
Yeah, because like you have 2 options. You can either present your case which is going to take like a while be like well on this bubble and that or you realize you're talking to someone who's not even going to listen to that so you just say I'm going to save some breath there.
59:14.10
dave_gerhardt
It's exactly what I did I was like no this is nuts this is insane. You are they are who they thought they we you know I just I had to go home I just left immediately. So.
59:20.63
Casey
Yeah I love that I know you live on the course is that like not was it. You want like the storm off to have like some kind of a exit you can see but it's not like a long walk right? So you can kind of turn a corner. It's like why he stormed out of there. But if you're like turned around and had to walk like down 17
59:39.53
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, no I don't I don't live I live very close I live I live like a quarter mile from the course so I had to thin it is a par five and I had I had to walk like three hundred yards of the par five go down through the tunnel go under the bridge.
59:40.21
Casey
Across 60 what what was the walk like okay, got you.
59:55.82
dave_gerhardt
Go up to the parking lot put my clubs in the parking lot pull my car out which is parallel to eighteenth eighteenth green and drive home. So it was it was not like my car was not right there but like I'm also in much better shape than this guy and so there's no way he was in a cart that was the other thing it drove me nuts I walked he took a cart.
59:56.10
Casey
Yeah.
01:00:02.62
Casey
Yeah.
01:00:10.49
Casey
A cart or like ah a poll cart or like a a golf cart.
01:00:12.76
dave_gerhardt
Ah, hate when people do this a golf cart and I hate when people do this when I'm playing them in a match or something he would hit his ball like right in the hazard and he would you know take the cart and go way up there first and always would magically.
01:00:28.25
Casey
This this is this is all the rule thing the the cart all makes sense.
01:00:28.99
dave_gerhardt
Find his ball right? he that that this is what these guys do in these member. Guess 2 thing right? right? Somebody hits one near the hazard. Okay that you just you go as fast as you can over to find your ball on the other fairway and like boom you found it and I'm walking and I'm like whatever man I can't. I'm not going to like let this guy get my blood pressure up.
01:00:47.50
Casey
It's it's insane. Well that guy we're gonna have another run in with that guy I'm I'm positive but I'm looking forward to it I'm I Well put it this way if you have another interaction with him on the golf course it means I'm going to be there because if you play him I'm going to be there. So.
01:00:52.72
dave_gerhardt
We I Hope we hope you're there for it.
01:01:01.20
dave_gerhardt
Okay, okay.
01:01:04.59
Casey
Ah, but just and I'll be in a cart just I won't even have your bag. It's like you have your yo you carry and walk with your bag like oh this is my catddy like he has a car as of your clubs back now. He's just Goingnna he's not a fore catdd. He's just going to watch you all day I'm in.
01:01:17.31
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, who's who's that guy are ah.
01:01:20.41
Casey
Um I have a real quick in Innero B and we can. We can close with this it I Just it actually came to me as you were talking but it's something that I always think about so like I mentioned we play in um, playing a member guest like a big four day one every year a lot of I don't get to play four consecutive days of golf very often.
01:01:31.73
dave_gerhardt
That yep.
01:01:39.95
Casey
I Don't really I play golf often but not consecutively so like when I start playing a lot I I get a lot better and I I feel better and I write exactly this is ah breaking news. Good thing we too bad is at the end of the pod. But when I'm in this tournament like I'll get in a groove and we've we've.
01:01:44.65
dave_gerhardt
Imagine imagine that.
01:01:58.66
Casey
I mean but we'll lose to 70 year old guys like or 80 year old guys like well it's all handicaap just but we'll lose these matches we shouldn't and we'll beat these guys that are like scratches. It's always always kind of hit or miss. But for me like I if I get going like we've won a few matches on the tenth green. Which is almost It's almost impossible like it's whatever it was 8 straight wins and a push or whatever but like I'm big on like getting a lot of scores in I we've won matches like on the fourteenth fifteenth hole in our ob b they playing in after that. Like you played him with this guy but like I'm all if we beat someone I'll be like I'm only giving you an example of when we beat someone because if we lost I would have been the fuck out of there. So. That's why I'm not saying we always win but I will always be hey you guys want to play in and they're always like no and they just kind of walk back but is that rude to ask someone you just beat if they still want because like.
01:02:44.12
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:02:56.58
Casey
I got 4 holes and I'm trying to break like 80 right? So like I'm sorry we lost this or or you lost this early but I'm still going to continue playing and in the in the club is like we want everyone off the course because we got to turn the pins that we got to do a lot of maintenance and it's also a slow day. There's a lot of different forces.
01:03:10.71
dave_gerhardt
Yeah I don't I don't have a problem with it I Personally I don't have a problem with it because usually in those types of events like you're you're rushing in to not go right back out anyway and I'm not a big like hang around the clubhouse guy and so like if I got a couple holes left I would.
01:03:22.15
Casey
Yeah.
01:03:30.21
dave_gerhardt
Probably go I don't I don't hate playing if well za would say just play 9 Well well, there's a lot ish. There's a bunch issues to that because usually in that format. You're not strictly playing like your own your your own ball and so like.
01:03:32.84
Casey
You get a good round going. You get a good round going you look this is but this is this is pre. This is a pre ah just play not our when gin wouldn't count Nine nine
01:03:50.11
dave_gerhardt
There is a if it's a match play scenario like did you did you play out. Did you play out each one of your shots. It's a stroke play.
01:03:56.70
Casey
Well so important yeah important to know about about. Yeah it's it's all it's all, um, it's match play. It's stroke just handicap adjusted so you you are playing your own ball There's only 1 match a day to that's that's key I'm not like. Delaying a second afternoo second round like there's 1 match every day that's they don't they don't double back. It's one eighteen hole match.
01:04:11.42
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, yeah, okay yeah now I don't I don't have a problem with that I just would probably phrase it differently I wouldn't I wouldn't um, invite them I would be like hey we're just gonna we're just gonna play these last 3 holes and like pretty pretty much.
01:04:22.48
Casey
Hey you're welcome to join us for these last holes. We've been playing for 3 hours together but you're welcome to continue. Yeah it the inmates always a little sketchy.
01:04:28.98
dave_gerhardt
Yeah I'd also I'd also kind of probably want to like I get wanting to play more golf and finish out the holes but like especially in that environment. There's usually lots of alcohol people are drunk and angry or whatever because they just lost you like I I wouldn't want to sign up for 3 more holes with that guy.
01:04:47.21
Casey
Yeah.
01:04:47.40
dave_gerhardt
You know, like because we want to finish this round I have no problem with you doing it I wouldn't invite others to do it with me I would kind of let them drive off and then go tee my ball up and play the last 3 holes.
01:04:55.95
Casey
Right? Well I'll work on that next next time I happen to win all. Ah.
01:05:02.73
dave_gerhardt
It's just for somebody who who would rather play by himself than talk to a stranger you're going to invite guys that you just beat in this very competitive thing to be like you. You guys want to go play 3 more.
01:05:11.97
Casey
What's it's lessse. Well it's less the invite. It's more the like I got to tell you like you're going To. You're going to think I'm going to walk this way with you but I'm going to go this way and like I need to break the ice like hey I'm just we're gonna keep playing because I want to keep playing like do you would you guys. It's probably happened like 4 or 5 times and I'd say all. But once they just said No thank you, they just wanted it and I get it it just again. That's not the inner a be like them saying yes or no, it's me like is should I even to extend the invite is it Even yeah, but it's also a thing like you.
01:05:38.90
dave_gerhardt
Now I wouldn't extend the invite I Just would go just play. Just.
01:05:44.80
Casey
Just have as much right to be here as me so I shouldn't even be inviting you to the thing that you're already doing anyway, you know like if I invited you to this podcast right now with 2 minutes left you'd be like yeah okay Dave I invite you to finish the podcast with me and say.
01:05:48.54
dave_gerhardt
Um, yeah, yeah.
01:05:55.17
dave_gerhardt
Yeah I would finish out the holes. Don't tell anybody let them let them I would kind of slow play it let them put their stuff in their cart. Let them drive off and then once they drive off. Um I would go tee it up and go play 16 17 18
01:06:04.22
Casey
Okay, well this this member guess I was talking about that I I play in every year is an untapped resource for stories I've got 2000000 so
01:06:14.85
dave_gerhardt
All right? Well I feel really good about I feel like that was therapeutic I feel really good about getting that off my chest. Um, so no, don't clip. Don't clip that let's let's leave that in for you know, don't don't yeah clip that and throw some money behind that on reals. Um I did happen to check though.
01:06:17.98
Casey
Yeah, can I clip that or is this guy on Instagram or sent it right over to the clubhouse.
01:06:32.87
dave_gerhardt
This guy doesn't follow me on social media anymore. So how funny is that? Ah yeah, but pretty pretty much pretty much you can make your own assumption I'll tell you I'll tell you? ah I'll tell you in our slack. Well.
01:06:35.97
Casey
Oh do you know what he does you know what to say it but cheats people out of golf I can make my own ah reference it exactly.
01:06:50.00
dave_gerhardt
Hey, look if you're listening to this if you're still listening to Casey and I send us an email long game pod at Gmail tell us your most absurd blood boiling competitive mildly competitive golf story now that I let that off my chest let you into our life. A little bit I want to hear your story back? um. And we'll talk to you on the next episode. Go ahead case. Sure sure.
01:07:09.77
Casey
Real quick. Ah maybe I might have real quick. Maybe I will leave the listeners with a question this is something I was thinking about I did 0 research on I'm going to ask and we can maybe come back to this next week so I'll we'll do some research on it. But I was thinking about ah um, Dunlop was on 59 watch for a little bit on saturday.
01:07:18.38
dave_gerhardt
All right? Let's come back.
01:07:27.20
Casey
And I was thinking about 50 nines and whenever there's one in contention I'm I'm always like what's the course is it a par 70 rarely 71 or 72 or the century was like a 73 writer. There's some different courses out there and I was thinking I'm just gonna be vulnerable here I don't know if this is a really dumb question. But I had didn't do the research and I haven't lookeded into it just ah came to me now is this a dumb question is my question I was wondering to fifty nine s happen more often. Onm par 70 s or 72 is there an advantage to 1 to the other I know it's course specific but is that a dumb question we can maybe get into it next.
01:07:59.90
dave_gerhardt
No, it's not a dumb question actually I was listening to this and these does a part does the higher par mean like they were talking about this with capalooa I think it might have been on shotgun start who guys are much smarter about the technical side of golf they were like should this should this course be a par like.
01:08:12.50
Casey
Ah, really.
01:08:17.23
dave_gerhardt
They should raise the par and so like the par is 78 does that mean guys will go more under par versus like.
01:08:21.80
Casey
Yeah, well when you're thinking it especially like a fifty nine is it obviously a par a par seventy you need less bird easy. Whatever to get there but is does a 72 give you is the part I assume that'd be 2 extra par fives or whatever are.
01:08:32.69
dave_gerhardt
Um, right? but is that harder.
01:08:38.72
dave_gerhardt
Right? right.
01:08:41.22
Casey
But however, they would do it. But it's going to be ah extra part 5 or two does that bring in more opportunity for like Eagles which is something you wouldn't get on a so I'm just curious like I'm sure you can go through all the fifty nine s and see.
01:08:50.97
dave_gerhardt
Wait So just does ah does a par seventy. You're saying is there is there more Eagle opportunities with with a higher par because there's more.
01:08:55.70
Casey
Like have you have a better chance of shooting 59 on a 72 because there's more gettable holes because there's eagles are more.
01:08:59.95
dave_gerhardt
Right now. This is not a dumb I thought about this a lie or or like but in my mind when I play golf and I'm like find out that it's a par seventy I'm like oh nice if I shoot 5 over that's 75 verse 77 right or like on the quest to break eighty I play this one course all the time and I'm like oh I forgot the back i.
01:09:10.76
Casey
Um, yeah, it isn't it.
01:09:19.89
dave_gerhardt
But I'm three over I thought that was going to be 39 I I forgot it's a part 35 in the back. So I just saw 38 yeah but that's totally not the right way to think about it.
01:09:24.14
Casey
It? Well I was just thinking about this too like it's so funny. Our whole lives would think about like I shot this I shot this I shot this like I'm I'm trying to shoot this I've never once thought about if the course was a 7071 or 72 never like any of those things have you? It's so funny that actually changes like. How well you played relative to other times but that's funny. Well let us know if I'm dumb for asking that or or not and I'll just leave you with Roy come on the pod.