The Few Will Hunt Show

Prove it to yourself and others. In this episode, Joey and Drew sit down with Big Uncle Zach Maslaney, the Head of Finishers Enterprises. Zach shares his journey from a karate-loving kid to running a thriving jiu-jitsu gym. He dives into the challenges of gym ownership, building a community, and the importance of rules for safety. From humble beginnings, a nontraditional path in martial arts, and a stint with Eddie Bravo, to teaching kids to value learning over belts. Tune in to learn how shifting focus can give you more meaning in life. 

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Drew Beech
Drew Beech is an entrepreneur and cofounder of Few Will Hunt. He spent several years in the sales and marketing industry, grossing over several million dollars in sales. But his love for the entrepreneurial journey and desire to escape the rate race started with his personal training business in college. Today, Drew leads the Few Will Hunt community alongside his cousin and cofounder, Joey in their mission to restore the dignity of hard work through the highest-quality American-made apparel.
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Joey Bowen
Joey Bowen is co-founder of Few Will Hunt.

What is The Few Will Hunt Show?

The official podcast of Few Will Hunt, the world’s largest community of hard workers and 100% Made in the USA apparel brand. We’re on a mission to restore the dignity of hard work and help others live The Rules of The Few to strengthen ourselves and strengthen society. No entitlement or excuses are allowed here.

Zach Maslaney:

I try to get them with and this is, like, what I've been really trying to get into lately is, and I've already been into it, but I'm just being more vocal about it. But I'm really trying to get them to understand. It's like, this isn't just like a a sport. Like, I just play softball and then it's over. This is a thing that you do all the time.

Zach Maslaney:

Your parents put you into this as a lifestyle to keep you healthy. So that way, you're not just coming home from school and playing video games, eating Cheetos. You know what I mean? You're supposed to be here 3 times a week. It has nothing to do with tournaments and belts, and that's all extra.

Zach Maslaney:

We do that because we're kinda crazy and we wanna get into that shit. You know? But for the most part, this is just a life that you live. You come here and you do this, and that's it. Welcome to the Fuel Hunt Show.

Joey Rosen:

What's going on, Eagles? Welcome to the Fuel Hunt Show Today, Drew and I are joined by a man that needs no introduction. He actually just wants to be introduced by his first name, but we're gonna do better than that. Big uncle Zach Yeah. Maslany, head of Finishers Enterprises.

Zach Maslaney:

Yes, sir.

Joey Rosen:

I'll say that. And a lot of other things too. Yeah. All around all around great dude and

Zach Maslaney:

happy to have you here. Thank you so much, man. Really appreciate it. Finally made it down here. I'm pumped.

Drew Beech:

Yeah. How far was that ride? Like

Zach Maslaney:

it was like an hour and 40 minutes, so it wasn't too bad. It's the lights that get you. You know what I mean? It would be, you know, an hour if that if, if I didn't have to stop at all those stop lines. Yeah.

Zach Maslaney:

But you know what? Some people didn't stop at the stop lights, so I saw a lot of people running them and stuff. So maybe

Drew Beech:

I'll do that next week.

Joey Rosen:

Really? Yeah. Just gonna do that too.

Drew Beech:

Real quick before we start. Who's on the socks? They're

Zach Maslaney:

These are oh, yeah. I didn't even realize I had these on till I changed my shoes, but it's actually a picture of me.

Drew Beech:

Oh, okay.

Zach Maslaney:

But I'm not I'm not trying to sell merch or anything, but one of the kids students made that for me for Christmas one time.

Drew Beech:

I have

Zach Maslaney:

a They come in with stuff on my face.

Drew Beech:

I would've been hit there with my son and my my golden retriever.

Zach Maslaney:

Oh, nice.

Drew Beech:

Oh, good. Well, I mean, I never saw him wear a picture of himself.

Zach Maslaney:

Yeah. I know. There's Thor socks as well out

Drew Beech:

there too. Yeah.

Zach Maslaney:

It's one pair. Every now and then, I run out of socks. I'm like, dang. Gotta go to the Zach socks.

Joey Rosen:

101. 1. That's how bad my eyes are, dude. I couldn't even make it out.

Zach Maslaney:

It's really it's stretched out. So Oh, there you go now.

Joey Rosen:

I see it. Yeah.

Zach Maslaney:

I got sunglasses on.

Joey Rosen:

I bet it. I buy a pair of those, dude.

Zach Maslaney:

I buy

Joey Rosen:

a pair. Oh, yeah.

Zach Maslaney:

Right. Honestly, I only wear stuff that people gave me. Like, if I get, like, clothes from you guys or, like, you know, I pretty much wear my own stuff or a few will own stuff, honestly. I mean, I have my own like, everything is my own brand. I started realizing, I'm like, wait a minute.

Zach Maslaney:

Why am I gonna buy something from, like, Old Navy or I don't even know where people shop anymore. I don't even know Macy's, I guess. You know what I mean? I was like, I'll just rock the stuff that I got. Every now and then, I'll pick something up.

Drew Beech:

It's interesting you say that. We always say, like, the where you choose to spend your dollars determines and tells people what you believe in. Right? Like, so you're only gonna talk, like, finishers, like, your gym, Fuahont.

Zach Maslaney:

Yep. Yep.

Drew Beech:

They are the flags you choose to wear on your back every day to let people know what you represent.

Zach Maslaney:

Yeah. Exactly. Especially with all these companies out there, you don't know anything about them. Like, why am I supporting this brand? Like, I got this is my one friend.

Zach Maslaney:

I got the, Vans. They did a collab with this one guy that, he trains at the school, fucked. And, he's been around doing, like, a, a clothing brand. It's like a streetwear brand. Been around from the 9 is, like, 1990 or maybe even earlier than out out in LA.

Zach Maslaney:

Yeah. And, he gives me stuff all the time. He trains jiu jitsu at the gym. So every time I just wear his stuff all the time. And my wife's always like, do you know what that says?

Zach Maslaney:

Like, I'm taking my son to school in the morning with a sweatshirt. I got the whole sweatshirt, sweatpants, shoes on. She's like, what are you doing? I'm like, hey. It's good stuff.

Joey Rosen:

Yeah. I get I get the same thing. Like, violence is a virtue, and I'm like, walk my 2 girls into school.

Zach Maslaney:

Well, see, my wife wears that one, though. She wears she has a couple of the fuel hunt shirts too, and she rocks them. And people are always asking her, like, what is that? Who is that? And then she's gotta explain, like, oh, my husband owns a gym and everything and then goes from there.

Zach Maslaney:

So Nice. Nice.

Drew Beech:

Does she train, missus Mesley?

Zach Maslaney:

She does not train, but she did train, though. Like, when she first started, when I when I first started dating her, you know, it's like an interesting job that you tell someone about. Like, what do you do? Like, even you guys, like, someone asked you, like, oh, what's your job? You're like, well, a lot of times, I don't even she rags on me for this because she thinks I'll always get new students, but she's like, you always downplay what you do.

Zach Maslaney:

Like, you don't tell people sometimes even though I do talk a lot and I I talk a mile a minute, but, I'm like, sometimes I'm just like, you know what? It's morning and, like, this guy's like, oh, where where do you work at? And I'm like, oh, dude. This is gonna be like a long conversation. I don't know if I even wanna bring this up.

Zach Maslaney:

But then some people are like like I mentioned to 1 guy at my son's, school, and he was like, oh, I used to train jujitsu. I'm from Georgia or wherever. He's like, I moved back up here. I'm going to college. When I'm done, I'm gonna sign up.

Zach Maslaney:

So that was Yeah. Good. So sometimes it is good.

Drew Beech:

I really feel like it depends on the audience. Yeah. Sometimes I think if we go on, like, airplane, and I go, what do you do for work? I'm like, fuck, dude.

Joey Rosen:

My wife bust my balls too because sometimes I, like, downplay it or I don't get into, like, the full story, but I get where you're coming from. Like, I can read the sitch, and I'm like, this isn't the audience for a long story.

Zach Maslaney:

I'm like, oh, this guy looks in shape. I'm telling him.

Drew Beech:

So they're loud on it's loud on the airplane. This this person something I was specifically was like, oh, we do it for work. I'm like, I'm in an apparel brand. I'm like, what? A power brand?

Drew Beech:

I'm like, apparel brand. Oh, okay. Oh, okay. And they're like, what does that mean? I'm like, oh, like, you ever like, I say think of think of Vans.

Drew Beech:

You have Vans? Yeah. Like Nike, like, that's awesome. That's where I leave it. Like

Zach Maslaney:

Or I'll say business owner. I sell my own business. Oh, really? What kind of business? I'm like, importing, exporting.

Zach Maslaney:

You know? Yeah. Importing, Like, you don't worry about it. Yeah.

Drew Beech:

I'm like, so now that we're talking about this, I'm like, sort of saying, like, entrepreneur. And if they wanna know more, they they'll They can ask. Yeah.

Joey Rosen:

Yeah. Yeah.

Zach Maslaney:

Or just my one boy is like, why don't you just tell them you're in the tech business or something? And then they'll if they know about it, they'll call you out. But if not, they'll be like, oh, I

Drew Beech:

don't know. Probably just think you're, like, a karate school or a karate school. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Drew Beech:

Yeah. Something. You teach karate.

Zach Maslaney:

Some you know what, though? If I do have to really explain like, if I was, like, like, a party or something, I think about it. And I'm like I think about that meme where the guy's like it's like, the he doesn't know that I'm a jujitsu guy, and then other guy's like, we all know he's a jujitsu guy. You know what I mean? So I don't try to bring it up.

Zach Maslaney:

But if there's, like, fights or something, someone will be like, yo, ask my boy, Zach. He knows everything. He'll spin kick your head right off. I'm like, no. No.

Zach Maslaney:

That's not me. And they're like, yeah. You used to fight, and then all of a sudden, you get have a conversation. But then sometimes I've been may look stupid. I'm like they're like, look.

Zach Maslaney:

He's he's subbing him right there. He's got him in a sub. I'm like, actually, I don't think he can finish him there. He's gotta get more to the side than the guy taps. I'm like, mhmm.

Zach Maslaney:

He just I

Drew Beech:

had no idea what I'm doing. Yeah. Oh, yeah. No idea. We thought

Zach Maslaney:

about it. Yeah. Let's get back.

Joey Rosen:

It's been kicking

Zach Maslaney:

my head off that. People are hype. Some people, though, like, I will give credo. Some people will hype us, like, hype me and hype the crew up so much. Like, oh, man.

Zach Maslaney:

I know those guys. They're tough as nails down there. You know, they're always, you know, the local guys telling people what's up. So, but sometimes it's just like, you know, I don't feel like talking about it. But what what I was gonna bring up about my wife, I totally forgot, is I made her come in and train with me though a couple of times.

Zach Maslaney:

Like, she was like, she did the women's class once, whatever. And I was like, you know what? I teach fundamentals Thursday 7. Come in and take that class. You know, I wanted her to come in and see it and, like, see that people at the gym respect me, and they're like, oh, he really knows what he's talking about.

Zach Maslaney:

It's not like a a joke thing where, like, I'm faking someone out. Like, this is years of experience that I've been putting into this. Like, when I'm teaching the class, it sounds like, you know, when you go to a high level jiu jitsu place, the professor sounds like a freaking scientist.

Drew Beech:

Yeah.

Zach Maslaney:

They're like, oh, man. He's breaking this stuff down. Like, it's not just, winging it. Like, again, here's a triangle. Like, there's a breakdown.

Zach Maslaney:

Like, I gotta show the guy, and I'm teaching people and sweeps and theories and why to do this. And then she's like, oh, okay. And then I think she understood. Like, oh, I respect this as a business, as a, you know, a lifestyle. Like, he's really cares about this.

Drew Beech:

You know?

Zach Maslaney:

She doesn't train now, but, like, I made her do it, though, couple of times.

Drew Beech:

So until that point, she may have questioned or sometimes understand. Yeah. Subconsciously, like, I gotta like, what's my like, yeah. He's paying the bills, but, like, what's actually going on over there?

Zach Maslaney:

Yeah. Or, like, what it like, when I'm leave so why do you wanna be at the gym? People always make the jokes when the young guys have girlfriends, and they're like, why do you wanna be at the gym so much? I'm like, yeah. Because people like and respect you there?

Zach Maslaney:

Yeah. Do you wanna be at the gym? Because people are doing fun things, and there's something to do besides just sitting around at home. Mhmm. And then she would see me going in there and, like, all these people are posting things and everything.

Zach Maslaney:

And she now that she saw it and she was a part of it, she's been to the tournaments and all the family stuff and everything. It's like, oh, this is like a whole community of people. It's like a complete different thing than what most people would think of. Like, you know, they probably think we just go in there and punch each other in the head and slam each other and go home. It's like totally different than that.

Zach Maslaney:

It's like so much more of a a community than just, like, a place that people go work out.

Joey Rosen:

You know?

Drew Beech:

Do you guys do striking at at

Zach Maslaney:

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We have a like, our program where I just got off the phone with some of the guys.

Zach Maslaney:

We're gonna hire one of our dudes, hopefully, to be, like, the full time striking coach. Not just that he's teaching all the classes, because we have a lot of guys that teach because we have so many classes. The 2 mats really help us. Like, when you have a 1 mat, gym, you can only run one class at a time usually. Some schools I'll see, though, they'll do it.

Zach Maslaney:

But in my opinion, just as a student and no shout shout at these guys, but that would be annoying for me. Like, if there's another class going on while this guy's teaching and that guy I hate that. Someone's punching a bag while I'm trying to talk. It's just like, you know, I we gotta have quiet in here. So, like, whoever's teaching the class is in charge.

Zach Maslaney:

But,

Drew Beech:

that building your building is just, like, insane.

Zach Maslaney:

What was it before? Honestly, a lot of school? It was like, they had a bouncy there. They so they had,

Drew Beech:

like, a

Zach Maslaney:

a trampoline place. Yeah. But it was kinda weird setup, then he had a laser tag, and then there was also a miniature golf. So, like, some people had some guys that trained there had birthday parties at this place. Oh, hell.

Zach Maslaney:

They're like, I had a birthday party at finishers when I was a kid.

Drew Beech:

Yeah. It's

Zach Maslaney:

like I ate pizza right there, right while those guys getting choked out.

Drew Beech:

That wasn't your first location. Am I right?

Zach Maslaney:

No. We started. Oh my god, dude. We started well, I I taught in, like, a couple of other people's gyms randomly, like, when I was just, you know, trying to get started or I didn't even I think at the time when I was younger, like, when I I'm 41. So when I was in my twenties, and I was, like, actually thinking I could run my own spot, there was no money.

Zach Maslaney:

I don't think there was money to be made. I don't think there was even a like, the closest, place to train was an hour away from me. You know? Like, they had Tiger Schulman's, and they had a couple of places, but it really just wasn't like a traditional you know, I wanted a jujitsu school. You know, I wanted an MMA gym, you know, and we just never had that around there.

Zach Maslaney:

So I started to slowly, you know oh, let me branch out. Like, went to a boxing gym in Quakertown, and I was teaching out of there till the guy went to jail when he came in and the place was closed one day. Alright. I guess we don't got a place. And then I would meet up guys in, like, you know, like a a a high school gymnasium, like wrestlers, and I try to do moves there.

Zach Maslaney:

And I'd always try to go to guys from my old high school. Like, come on. You guys should do it. That's why I was going to college. And then, finally, I was like, alright.

Zach Maslaney:

I'm gonna start a a place. Let me just hit this one guy up and see if he'll let me teach there. I'm like, you don't have a jiu jitsu program, really. Let me teach there. And then it started blowing up from there, and then his place went out of business.

Zach Maslaney:

And then we opened up, a really small, like you know, it was probably, like, 700 square foot Yeah. You know, little place and no no wall mats, just just, you know, Fuji mats and guys throwing each other into breaking the walls. And, like, the place

Drew Beech:

was a tough is

Joey Rosen:

a place you were telling

Zach Maslaney:

me. Yeah. Yeah. It should have been probably condemned.

Drew Beech:

Those are probably the days that, like,

Zach Maslaney:

the mem

Drew Beech:

the memory is there probably.

Zach Maslaney:

It it is fun. And the guys that now it's like a thing where they call, the team hammer where I first started it, the guys who started there and still train, which is, like, probably, like, 12 years now, I think. I've been open and, or we've been actually in business. And, guys then will be like, I'm from bomb squad. I started back in that gym.

Zach Maslaney:

So they know, like or they have a t shirt, like, from, like, when it first started, they're like, yo. You don't talk to me, bro. I helped build this gym. Yeah. You know?

Zach Maslaney:

And the guys really take it seriously that have been around forever. And then the 2nd gym, they'll was by a Jimmy John's. So they're like, when did you start? They're like, yo. I've been I've been around since Jimmy John's.

Zach Maslaney:

I'm Jimmy John's, baby. And they're like, oh, okay. Whoops. Sorry. This guy's been around forever.

Zach Maslaney:

And then then we had another gym after that. So I think I moved 1. I moved this 1, 2, 3. This is our 3rd place in this spot, but really 4th if you count the another place that I thought of. So

Joey Rosen:

Gotcha.

Zach Maslaney:

And then, man, lucked out with this place. COVID, you know, unfortunate situation. Like, place like that just wasn't gonna be able to stay in business. Yeah. And I kept I was following the place for, like, a this way, I always tell people, you can't give up on stuff.

Zach Maslaney:

Like, when you think of something like, oh, man. You know, that's not gonna work out. The guy told you no once. It doesn't mean he's gonna tell you no in a year from now. You know?

Zach Maslaney:

It it's I'll just keep things on my radar, and I just kept going back to this that spot. It's got, like, the steps. It's like a huge building, 2 mats, and then we have a gym in the back. Like, you just got the gym equipment here. It's so awesome.

Zach Maslaney:

Like, just go there. And, like, everything we need for MMA jujitsu guy. Like, you can't complain. We got the cafeteria. You know, we got everything you need.

Zach Maslaney:

And, Yeah.

Joey Rosen:

It's a great it's a great facility, man.

Zach Maslaney:

Being able to have multiple classes, like, that really can up your, you know, your revenue. You know what I mean? Because we only have one class at a time. It's tough. You gotta kick people off the mat.

Zach Maslaney:

We got 2 mats. I mean, there's I don't even know half of the striking guys. You know, I'll be sometimes I'll meet a guy. It's like Fight Club. They'll come up to me.

Zach Maslaney:

He's like, yo. What's up? And I'm like, what's going on? They're like, yo. I trained at finishers.

Zach Maslaney:

I'm like, oh, snap. How are you doing? I'm Zach. And they're like, yeah. I know you.

Zach Maslaney:

You're you're one of the owners. I'm like, yeah. Yeah. And then they're like, it's like fight club. And they're like, really?

Zach Maslaney:

I'm like, I never see you there. Like, I go Tuesday, Thursday. I'm like, no. I And I'm like, I don't see this guy. You know?

Zach Maslaney:

And it's it it makes a big difference.

Drew Beech:

And that's the hard part too. I mean, people don't realize that you're a business owner, like, now maybe before you're a black belt or a jiu jitsu practitioner. It's like when you're scaling like that, it's, like, maybe hard to break away from those. And people start to see you see you as, like, selfish or

Zach Maslaney:

Yeah. Mhmm.

Drew Beech:

Money or greedy or when really you're just trying to scout your business and take care of your family Yeah. Which I don't know if you've dealt with anything like that, breaking away from those roles of teaching every class. But

Zach Maslaney:

Yeah. It's tough. It's it's it's a it's a, you know, fine line. Like, they want me to be the, you know, face of the company, like, out here doing podcasts and promoting the brand and giving it a good look, but then, you know, I also can't do everything. So, like, I need to be able to trust in the guys, and and my team is really awesome.

Zach Maslaney:

Like, they do a great job. But every now and then, you know, stuff happens, and you're like, oh, man. Like, I gotta double back and go back and fix this. And and, you know, people people will give you shit for anything. I always I always say, you know, even with the tournament too.

Zach Maslaney:

Like, you could literally give everyone a free pizza in the world, and they'll complain there wasn't pepperoni on it. Yeah.

Drew Beech:

You know

Zach Maslaney:

what I mean? It's always something. That's

Drew Beech:

a great that's a great clip.

Zach Maslaney:

I don't know if I made that up, but, if I did

Drew Beech:

You just did. I never I never heard of it before, so apparently, it's just I've

Zach Maslaney:

been saying that one a while because it's true, though, because you know? And then, like, I have to always think too with the gym. You know? And then, like, I have to always think too with the gym. You know, it with the gym, I have to make sure that the paying clients, you know, to to get into it.

Zach Maslaney:

Like, the paying clients are the ones that are paying the bills to keep the lights on that pay the Zach Makovsky, former UFC guy, former Bellator champion to teach class. They're the ones who pay to have Renee to be able to represent the gym and and have all these guys work in there. So I can't have guys not being part of the team and not you know what I mean? It's it seems like, sometimes people will, like, not accuse me, but be like, he's such a homer. Like, he'll just kick guys out if he doesn't like him.

Zach Maslaney:

Or, like, if you're not on the team, then you're not with them. Like, yeah. No shit. You know

Drew Beech:

what I mean?

Zach Maslaney:

This is our team. It's not me. Finishers is bigger than me. But I have to be at least if I'm gonna be out here doing this stuff and then I'm also keeping track of the guys at the gym, I have to be like, hey. Look.

Zach Maslaney:

You need to tell these dudes. In striking, guys gotta wear t shirts. We're not sparring every night. That sparring is Thursdays. That's why there are rules.

Zach Maslaney:

And a lot of guys don't like rules. Now I'm not gonna lie. When I was a kid and I trained at Tiger Showman's, I was against all the rules that they had. I was like, these rules suck. You gotta wear what they're telling

Joey Rosen:

you to wear.

Drew Beech:

You understand

Zach Maslaney:

what I mean? You know what I mean? So I I empathize with them, you know, but I also tell them, like, I always tell the guys, please be easy on the guys because they don't know. A lot of guys are just young, you know, full of piss and vinegar or whatever they say, and they're just ready to fight. They just wanna go in there and bang their head against

Drew Beech:

the wall. They wanna

Zach Maslaney:

use it. Of us is we wanna talk to them and talk them out of that and get them into, like, you know, guiding them along the path so they're not hurt and they become a student. And as a business owner, they're paying to be there. I wanna keep them as a student for a long time. I don't wanna have turnover where, like, we signed up 30 dudes.

Zach Maslaney:

We lost 40.

Joey Rosen:

Running through them.

Zach Maslaney:

Yeah. It's like guys are getting hurt and everything. And and look, that does happen. Somebody a guy got his nose broken, last week. Oh, the

Drew Beech:

trial class?

Zach Maslaney:

No. No. No. No. No.

Zach Maslaney:

This guy had been training. No. If that happened, I would kill everyone, but, but shit I got asked happened, though, where they've let the trial guy like, sometimes, like, the you know, it's like a guy teaching whatever. He's not paying attention. There's a lot of stuff going on.

Zach Maslaney:

Run wild. You know? Yeah. And they let the trial guy who wrestle a bit, like, go in there with the white T shirt, and he's, you know, getting choked unconscious or something. Like, guys, guys, guys, guys, guys, guys, guys, guys.

Zach Maslaney:

Like, we can't let that kind of crap happen. A lot of times, we just learn lessons and Yeah. They didn't know. They didn't do anything on purpose, but, you know, we put the rules out there for them, and then we tell them, it's be easy on the people, it's to be hard on the rules. You only have to say I'm like, don't say, Zach said that.

Zach Maslaney:

It's gotta be like this. I just tell him, look. We all sat down, and these are the rules that

Joey Rosen:

This is standard.

Zach Maslaney:

All came up with. Mhmm. When you're sparring or when you're in the regular class, when there's women and kids and other people around, you gotta wear a t shirt, and you gotta wear all the gear when you're sparring. Okay? That's I mean, you know, guys are in there with no helmets and stuff.

Zach Maslaney:

It's like, guys, guys, guys, guys. You have to tell them. You have to tell them. And then you're like, hey, man. Listen.

Zach Maslaney:

It's just the rules we came up with keeping everybody safe. Blah blah. Then okay. Strike 2. You're like, yo, bro.

Zach Maslaney:

Like, listen. We told you. I just told you. You gotta wear a helmet. And then

Drew Beech:

you're probably like, do I go to a crazy Baja now? Or is that do you get that kind of sense?

Zach Maslaney:

They just like you know, that like, the guy will be like, oh, man. You know, I know 3 dudes that said, if they're not gonna be sparring during the week, it's gonna be a problem. I'm like, a problem for who? Them. Because we're not sparring during the week.

Zach Maslaney:

And not only did I tell him no sparring that a guy got kneed in the face. Now it wasn't on purpose, but still, though, stuff happens. You know what I mean? So it's like, I told you guys that's not the time.

Drew Beech:

Yeah. I was talking to AVR, Adam and Ronfelter, here in Strong Coffee Company at at Strong New York. We were, like, couple like, last month. And he said he was doing a striking class. He said he had to stop going because he he did Muay Thai back in the day.

Drew Beech:

He's like he's like, this this woman, like, single or mother of 3, like, dipped her head. He's like, I my instinct was, like, pop. He's like, I like uppercut her. He's like, he's like, I'm too sorry. Like, it was a big thing.

Drew Beech:

He's like, he's like, I really just, like, don't like that. But my literally reaction was to Yeah. To do that.

Zach Maslaney:

I see it happen in jiu jitsu too. I never get mad at the guys. Sometimes they're, like, you know, going really hard, like and emotions get, you know, same. I just had it with the kids, the 22 young kids, you know, 2 boys, you know, 12 years old, a 115 you know, a 110 pound kids, and they're kicking the crap out of each other. And the one kid shoots in, takes him down hard, guillotines him.

Zach Maslaney:

And I'm like, hey. It's okay. He's crying. Let him let one of the old other coaches tell him he guillotines the other kid. Now he's kinda crying.

Zach Maslaney:

And I'm like, look. Have a talk with them afterwards and and tell him like, hey. You guys gotta take care of each other. You guys gotta be

Drew Beech:

You know? Your teammates. Your teammates.

Zach Maslaney:

Yeah. And then you gotta tell the parents. And look. Our and a lot of our parents are really good. They're like, you know, hey.

Zach Maslaney:

We're gonna keep putting them together until they get it, till they learn how to train with each other. You know? And sometimes it's it's like that with the guys too. So it's not always I wanna let them know. It's not always, like, immediately, I'm throwing them out.

Zach Maslaney:

Yeah. You know? But look. Strike 3. If you're hurting the guys or you're hurting the team, we're we're just we're not gonna be like, you're kicked out, but it's gonna be an easy, like, hey, man.

Zach Maslaney:

We canceled your membership. It's not about the money. You just are not, you know, serving the team, and everybody else is helping the team. You're not. You can't train anymore.

Drew Beech:

So you give them a chance to change?

Zach Maslaney:

Or Yeah. We we've given guys plenty of chances. We let dudes come back, you know, after a while, like, give them, like, a cooling off period. You know? Like, I'm down to help everybody, and I feel like I'm I'm even easier than some of the other guys.

Zach Maslaney:

Some of my other coaches are, like, gone, like, the second day. Like, I want them out because they get mad. Dude. I know that I was kinda crazy when I was a kid. So I have to be like, hey, we gotta let this guy you know?

Zach Maslaney:

We gotta give him an opportunity to not go crazy. You know what I mean? And sometimes look. Sometimes people are gonna go crazy and there's nothing you could do. Yeah.

Zach Maslaney:

Yeah.

Drew Beech:

Yeah. Yeah. So I was I Yeah. We literally, like, hopped in the conversation. So I just wanna for the the few, can you just tell people how you end up how you ended up becoming Zach, Matt Biggie, Zach, and also, like, your like, just take us through your life for a few minutes.

Joey Rosen:

We wanna know. We know big uncle Zach now. We wanna

Zach Maslaney:

know maybe, like, little

Drew Beech:

kid Zach

Zach Maslaney:

a little bit. How'd you get here? Matt, I'll try to paraphrase because it's a long story, but I'll try to paraphrase some of the good points. Yeah. But, you know, when I was a kid, I was kinda like, I lived my parents got divorced when I was young, so I was, like, always going back and forth.

Zach Maslaney:

And 2 great parents, mom and dad are awesome. But, you know, when you're in a middle child of a bunch of kids, like, I'm kinda like, you know, being passed back and forth. Nothing on them. They just had to work. You know?

Zach Maslaney:

So I've been, you know, kind of like grew up a little fast on my own when I first, you know, was a little kid. So I was doing a lot of things on my own. And then when I finally moved to my dad's, I didn't have any friends. And I was very outgoing. So I was like, man, I wanna get into something, but I didn't really like the style of the kids at the gym.

Zach Maslaney:

So they're or at the at the school. So my dad was like, you know what? I'm gonna put you and your brother into karate. And I was like, okay. I had no idea.

Zach Maslaney:

I didn't even wanna do it. I had no idea. 12, I think. 13. I really had no clue what it was about.

Zach Maslaney:

My dad watched Terminator. You know what I mean? He watched, you know, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Stallone, all those guys. Van Damme. You know, all the all the sport.

Zach Maslaney:

Yeah. Buds, boy. He watched all those movies. So he always let us watch them as kids. I Were you

Drew Beech:

living in Bethlehem at the time?

Zach Maslaney:

Yeah. Bethlehem. Yep. And, so then I was like, alright. I'll try this.

Zach Maslaney:

And I went up to the gym. They put us in, me and my brother, and it was it. And the reason why he says and it's it ties back in, but he put us in because of Chuck Norris. He loved Chuck Norris. That was, like, his favorite guy.

Zach Maslaney:

Yeah. Walker, Texas Ranger. And then doesn't

Joey Rosen:

love he doesn't love

Zach Maslaney:

Chuck Norris. Come on. With the jeans and the feet the shoes. Ivan, he bought me the Chuck Norris. I had the the kicks back in the day so I could, like, throw the real fast kicks and stuff.

Zach Maslaney:

And, we got into it. My brother ended up getting his black belt, but, man, I started I started when I was 12. And by the time I was 14, I was doing the adult class, and I just loved it. I would go there every day. And, you know, I never worked out before that, but I played, like, I never played, like, traditional sports, but I always did, like, backyard.

Drew Beech:

What belt did you get there in karate?

Zach Maslaney:

Karate, I got my 2nd degree black belt.

Drew Beech:

Okay.

Zach Maslaney:

So I got, my black belt under Tiger Schulman.

Drew Beech:

You know what I mean?

Zach Maslaney:

But I I trained with them for a while, and then I started fighting for them when I was I think I did my first MMA fight when I was 19.

Drew Beech:

So Do you know, like, Shane Burgos and

Zach Maslaney:

Oh, yeah. Yeah. And Lyman. Those guys were all kinda kid. Lyman, he started a little bit after, like, close to when I was leaving, but most of those guys like, Shane and, Jimmy Rivera Mhmm.

Zach Maslaney:

And, a ton of the younger the kids that all made it in the UFC, Nick Pace, all them. They, Mike Terzano trained with him a couple times. Like, all those guys were, like, kinda young kids. They were, like, the kids they bring out to, like, start the show before the real fights come on. Like, Junior Rivera come out there and fight some other, like, 10 year old kid, and you're like, man, this guy's gonna be a beast, you know, when he gets older.

Zach Maslaney:

And then they became beasts.

Drew Beech:

Yeah.

Zach Maslaney:

And yeah. Go ahead, sir.

Drew Beech:

When you were training at Tiger Summit, were you just doing karate? Because I know I think Shane and Lineman told us, like, they did, like, jujitsu and karate at the same at

Zach Maslaney:

the same time. Yeah. It started so when they'll those guys started or when they were kids, it might have already been converting over. Like, actually, I lied. I actually started at Master Glacier Karate, and, it was Master Glacier sold all of his schools to Tiger Schulman.

Zach Maslaney:

So it was like a almost like it felt like a a Sons of Anarchy, like, patch over. Like, one day, they just, hey. Big meeting at the school, 7 PM, Friday night. All the guys come in. Everybody at the does the karate school comes in.

Zach Maslaney:

And at this time, we're doing

Joey Rosen:

Team Tiger.

Zach Maslaney:

Katas, board breaking, you know, no sparring. Like, the sparring was like light touch type stuff, and, they were just like, hey. Look. You know, Tiger Showman's buying us out, and the belt rankings are different. So some people are gonna go down in rank and stuff.

Zach Maslaney:

People are like, what? I'm losing my green belt with 2 stripes. I'm out. I'm done. You know?

Zach Maslaney:

And people quit. Literally just quit. And it was like a whole thing because they always had contracts. Like, you gotta sign, like, a year, 2 year, 3 year contract Yeah. To train.

Zach Maslaney:

Like, we're this is a contract to get your black belt. And it was like, you know, if when I look back at the stuff and actually think about it, some of their marketing strategies back in the day were like genius. You know, they had stuff where they got people in there and, you know, it was like a whole thing. You gotta pay for your belts. You gotta pay for all this stuff.

Zach Maslaney:

But then what Tiger did and he was I give him a lot of credit. He was way ahead of the game, I think, than a lot of people. He was like, the game is changing to MMA. Right? MMA started, and they used to have a competition called a bare knuckle where they would have guys you could take the guy down and grapple for a minute and do subs, and then they'd stand you back up.

Zach Maslaney:

No gloves. No. None no pads. And but you couldn't hit to the face. You could listen.

Zach Maslaney:

These rules are insane. You could punch to the body. You could kick the legs, kick the body, but you could kick to the head, and you could knee to the head. It made absolutely no

Drew Beech:

sense. No.

Zach Maslaney:

And when you took them to the ground, though, no face shots. You can only hit to the body. So it was wild, though. But then some guys kind of figure, like, oh, I can knee. Watch this.

Joey Rosen:

You know what I mean? Yeah.

Zach Maslaney:

And it was on, like, a platform. It was it was crazy. Like, I need to bring up some of those older videos, and I went to the first. I went to I think I went to the second one. They called it the bare knuckle, and it was great.

Zach Maslaney:

It was at they would have that you know, they have a big tournament called challenger champions. Mhmm. And that's like a 2 day tournament. They would have the bare knuckle fights Saturday night, like and people all the adults were coming. It was insane.

Zach Maslaney:

I remember watching that being like, I'm doing this. You know? I'm doing this. And, eventually, though, they just I think it got banned or whatever, so they end up stopping it. But they were he was ahead of the game.

Zach Maslaney:

He was like, okay. Instead of doing we're getting rid of weapons, so we're not gonna do nunchucks and board breaking. That's out. And we're gonna replace, strut the striking that we're gonna do, we're gonna have people start wearing boxing gloves and MMA gloves. And then we're gonna the jujitsu we're gonna do, you're gonna take off the gi like we would wear, like, a gi with, like, you know, sleeves.

Zach Maslaney:

And it was dude, it was crazy. I looked like a freaking, like, 10 star general with that shit, bro. I had, like, different color stripes, stars on this side, stars. I'm like, I don't even know what these things are for. You know what I mean?

Zach Maslaney:

They're just like, dude, another blue star. You know? And then You look

Drew Beech:

like Chuck Darn.

Zach Maslaney:

Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. You're like the the uniforms. That's one thing I will give old school karate.

Zach Maslaney:

The uniforms were awesome, bro. They were sick.

Drew Beech:

Some of

Zach Maslaney:

the ones, like, every now and then, like, Tiger would show up to, like, a, like, a demonstration or some shit, and he would show up in, like, some new key, and you'd be like people would be like, the red key with the white belt. Like, it was nuts. Like, he was probably just sitting back, like, I don't know. I'm gonna rock a green one for now. Like, what does that meant?

Zach Maslaney:

My dad would always be like, I don't get it. Like, what does that mean? I'm like, I don't think it means anything.

Joey Rosen:

Have to. Yeah.

Zach Maslaney:

He's like, I don't understand.

Drew Beech:

Few people know that. There's a a few on show exclusive. I'm an orange belt. It's like Nice. And and grotty.

Drew Beech:

Yeah. There you go.

Zach Maslaney:

How would

Drew Beech:

I know? Like, 10. So I don't know.

Zach Maslaney:

I don't know that.

Drew Beech:

Shit. I literally I can barely kick.

Zach Maslaney:

It was weird. I mean, some

Drew Beech:

I fucking suck with it, though, but it's a cool shit now. Yeah. I can still I did Amerikick, though. It's probably

Zach Maslaney:

your Amerikick? That was kinda like Master Glacier. Sing that.

Drew Beech:

It looks

Zach Maslaney:

like a taekwondo. They still have karate schools around, which blows my mind. I don't know who goes there, but maybe just kids. I have

Drew Beech:

no idea.

Joey Rosen:

Kids thought it.

Zach Maslaney:

Yeah. But, so then, then when they went to the grappling, we would take that uniform off and you wear a T shirt and gi pants, and they would still wear the belt. And I'll never forget. I was on America Online, right, when my dad finally got a computer because he was a computer guy. We had America Online dial up.

Zach Maslaney:

You're doing all those things.

Drew Beech:

I do that

Zach Maslaney:

online. Online. AOL.

Drew Beech:

You're referring

Zach Maslaney:

to AOL. Amer whatever it was called. They used to send you the disc in the mail. Something there. Yo.

Joey Rosen:

They used to spam you with those discs.

Zach Maslaney:

Yeah. Like, oh, just install it.

Drew Beech:

See how

Zach Maslaney:

we would just throw we would just throw them, like, discs, like, throw them, like, frisbees and

Drew Beech:

stuff. Yeah.

Zach Maslaney:

But my dad got all that stuff, and I remember first looking up videos. And right away, I was, like, MMA, and there were, like, clips of videos of, like, dudes getting knocked out. Like, they would show the old boss root and pancreas and stuff. And then I saw some videos of a guy teaching jiu jitsu moves, and it was Eddie Bravo teaching, Rubber Guard in Japan. And it was all dubbed over.

Zach Maslaney:

What? That was the first video I ever seen.

Drew Beech:

That long ago?

Zach Maslaney:

Yeah. It was a long time. And he was wearing gi pants and a t shirt because that's what he would wear and and then he started wearing a rash guard, but we didn't even know about rash guards. Tiger doesn't have rash guards. We just wore t shirts.

Zach Maslaney:

Yeah. And then Eddie Bravo had t shirts for sale on his website eventually, but he never had rash guards for the time being.

Drew Beech:

What year was that?

Zach Maslaney:

I wanna say 2,000 it was right after he put out the first book. So I was in just getting done with high school, and I was just starting to get into, like, actually fighting. But I remember seeing that. I'm so bad with times too, like, in dates. I'm like, I don't know.

Zach Maslaney:

I'll I'll I'll be like, that was, 2,011. They're like, dude, that was 2,001. I'm like, oh, yeah. You know, there was a one in it.

Joey Rosen:

There was a one

Zach Maslaney:

in it. I saw him doing, like, flexibility moves. And for some reason, I was born with weird hip, like, flexibility where I can, like, grab my foot and, like, with no no stretching, be able to do the rubber guard move. So I saw that, and I was like, man, this is right up my alley. And at Tiger, we were only learning, like, they had formats where you would learn grappling.

Zach Maslaney:

Mhmm. And I blew through them shits. Like, I might wanna learn everything. And then once I knew them, come into class, it's like, oh, it's it's a again. I'm like, I already know this.

Zach Maslaney:

I'm like, I've done this a 1000000 times. I gotta start looking at other moves. And then I found out a book. And I'm like, oh, well, there's books on this? I had no idea.

Zach Maslaney:

I'm like, dad, why didn't you tell me there were books? He said, I didn't know you wanted books. So then we went and got books, and I remember even ordering UFC, started selling videos, like, through, like, Black Belt Magazine. And I bought a Ken Shamrock leglock TV. And I bought, you know, a couple

Drew Beech:

this time?

Zach Maslaney:

Probably, like, 19.

Drew Beech:

Okay. 18. You were like, I'm fighting.

Zach Maslaney:

Yeah. I wanted to fight. This is I saw them bare knuckles when I was probably, like, 16 or 17. I was like, dude, I need to get in this somehow. And then my one boy, Bill, who trains at John Joxx, and then that'll bring it full circle.

Zach Maslaney:

But, he worked at a place called 48 hours video, and it was, like, one of, you know, old blockbuster type.

Joey Rosen:

But Yeah.

Zach Maslaney:

Low key place. 48 hours was better than Blockbuster.

Drew Beech:

Oh, good. Yeah.

Zach Maslaney:

And if you know about 48 hours, like, this might be r rated. But, that place, they had a Blockbuster didn't have this. Yeah. But they had, like, a curtain area. They had a curtain area.

Zach Maslaney:

Lock in there when I was a kid and be like, what's back there? My dad, like, don't worry about it. You know what I mean? I'm like, well, what kind of tapes are back there? Is that where you don't worry about it?

Drew Beech:

Where the Jujitsu tapes are?

Zach Maslaney:

Yeah. Well, so they had what they did at this place is they had that section. And since my buddy worked there in high school, he'd be like, yo, come down. Nobody's here. You guys can do whatever you want.

Zach Maslaney:

So I just go back there and be like, woah. What the like, this is insane. I can't believe because back in the day, like, they had things where, like, huge boxes. You would be like, wow. But on the way to that, like, before you had it,

Joey Rosen:

you had, like, a box in front of the VHS

Zach Maslaney:

case. Exactly.

Joey Rosen:

Yeah. So, like, the it was it was a box. Yeah.

Zach Maslaney:

You could look and see. It had all the stuff on the back because now it's just like that's the movie. But you would, like, read about it and everything. And but before you got to the secret area, there was a, like, special interest. And it had, like, weird, like, dance videos and, like, workout videos.

Zach Maslaney:

And then at the bottom, it had 2 rows of, like, fighting videos. And my buddy was like, dude, you're never gonna believe that's how I found out about UFC. He was like, dude, you're never gonna believe this.

Drew Beech:

You got

Zach Maslaney:

these fight videos down here, and I think 1 through 3 was already out, and I had never heard of it. I can't believe I I was at Tiger Shulman's. They never told me about this. I'm like, did you guys not know this was going on? It's crazy.

Zach Maslaney:

And then we came down. We started watching it on the 4th on like like, at the place, he would put it on the TV. Yeah. There'd be, like, 6 people. And then he'd get guys

Drew Beech:

So you didn't

Zach Maslaney:

even have to rent it. Buy stuff, and they'd be like, what's this? And then people would just be standing there watching it.

Drew Beech:

A bunch of you guys are standing around watching it.

Zach Maslaney:

Yeah. I mean, imagine watching no fights ever, like boxing. That's all you had as a, you know, could say. And then you watch that, and you see, like, the guys getting their face, you know, teeth kicked in. You're like, what is this?

Zach Maslaney:

You know?

Drew Beech:

So we can thank the adult section

Zach Maslaney:

of the

Drew Beech:

40 hour video for for your entry into fighting. Yeah.

Joey Rosen:

It was like it was like the section before the curtain.

Zach Maslaney:

Yeah. Yeah. Like, they tucked it, like, in the back.

Drew Beech:

Yeah. Same. But we should have that section that he would never have someone upon the

Zach Maslaney:

Well, they they acted like that was almost r rated stuff. Like, that's, like, you know, banned from TV. Like, you don't you know, you had to be back there

Joey Rosen:

with, like, their faces of deaths. Yeah.

Zach Maslaney:

Yeah. They had those near that too. You know? Yeah. That was so weird, bro.

Zach Maslaney:

Like, I I'd be like, I just wanna see the fights, man. And then I kept running them, kept getting them, got into that. And then I think I did my first fight was I I do remember this. It was 2002, Wildwood Convention Center, and I ended up being somehow was the main event. One of our guys, he was like a professional, Muay Thai, guy, and they were Tiger Sholm was their first time they were gonna put people into MMA.

Zach Maslaney:

They never did MMA before. And it was Shannon Mossello, Dave Torelli, who is a, a judge in MMA right now. And, not to bring up, old stuff, but I don't know if I I think it was Sean Strickland versus, who did he fight? Who's the one guy who saw it? I was at at the, Newark Center.

Zach Maslaney:

I can't remember the guy's name. But, anyways, he gave it to the other guy. All the judges had it for Strickland, and he gave it to the other guy. And it was like a whole thing was like, that one judge doesn't know anything. I'm like, I know that guy.

Zach Maslaney:

I used to train with that guy. He might have CT or whatever, but I don't know how what or I don't know what fight he was watching. You know? I have no idea what fight he was watching, but it was him. It was a girl.

Zach Maslaney:

I think it was Shannon DeAugust and Elvis Garcia fought I mean, you guys are from Philly. Do you remember Brad Daddis? You ever hear Brad Daddis? Brad Daddis had a bunch of schools around here for a while, and I don't know what happened to him. But he fought.

Zach Maslaney:

And it was, like, the first time they ever did it. And Shannon, I was the same weight. 145. He was fighting this guy, Nick Catone. It was for a title, an MMA title.

Zach Maslaney:

I know Nick Catone. Fighting 2. Not not the one Nick Catone. Uh-huh. Oh, it's a wrestler.

Zach Maslaney:

There's 2 Nick Catone.

Drew Beech:

Oh, yeah.

Zach Maslaney:

It's another wrestler, Nick Catone. I don't know if he's around anymore, but, and this guy got poked in the eye, like, 2 weeks before, and they're like, do you wanna do the fight? I'm like, yeah. He brought me in the office. Like, you wanna you wanna take this fight?

Zach Maslaney:

I'm like, hell yeah. I had no idea what I was signed up for. I remember I took the card home, and it said no holds barred. And my dad was like, are you sure you know what you're doing? I'm like, the guy said I was good.

Zach Maslaney:

I don't know. I was like, I I think I know what I'm doing. I watch enough stuff. I I let's run it.

Drew Beech:

In the gym at that point? Or were you like Yeah.

Zach Maslaney:

I was doing that's why they gave me the opportunity because I was like this dude's main sparring partner. And, like, I was actually doing and this is how I think I got 1st popular, like, fighting and stuff was I was doing jujitsu stuff. I was like they were doing, like, passing, like, mostly striking.

Drew Beech:

But you

Zach Maslaney:

were I was enough to to handle myself doing striking as I actually did the Golden Gloves too. But then the grappling part, it was easy to set yourself apart because no one knew any moves.

Drew Beech:

You know what I mean? And you weren't, like, training you to do that, but you were just, like

Zach Maslaney:

I was just watching on my own that Tiger Showman. They they were teaching stuff, but it was, like, you know, some of the stuff just they didn't know what to teach. Someone there was, like, a rumor that he was paying Brazilians to come in and teach him moves, and then he would act like he taught it to us. But I have no idea. You know?

Zach Maslaney:

But I just How

Drew Beech:

did that how did that first play go?

Zach Maslaney:

I won by TKO, actually, but I so the guy kept taking me down. And, dude, right when they said it was like, reality fighting is is, still running. Mhmm. And it's the Naga. The guy who owns Naga, he runs that.

Zach Maslaney:

And it used to be it was so cool. It used to be an octagon ring. And I always I I actually called him up and asked him if I could bite off him, but he's like, we got rid of that years ago. But it was an octagon ring with, like, 6 ropes or whatever. So you couldn't fly through it.

Zach Maslaney:

So it was cool because you could bounce off the side and come back with punches, whatever. And it wasn't like the cage where they could just take you down and hold you up against the cage. That's annoying. So if someone doubled you into the ropes, you kinda like Yeah. It promoted grappling.

Zach Maslaney:

Like, there was still crazy striking. And there were a ton of guys I fought when I fought, like Tim Sylvia, Tom DeBlass. Like, there were a ton of guys who fought on the I have all the and what's cool is at the gym, I have all those all most of all the old cards framed and have them just around the gym. But I got out there, and I was like, oh my god. They if you rewatch the fight, they the ref goes go, and the guy just walks at me, and I didn't even move.

Zach Maslaney:

I just, like, froze

Drew Beech:

Yeah.

Zach Maslaney:

In, like, a fighting stance. Like, okay. And then I keep grabbing my legs. I, like, missed on a punch, and then he took me down. And I was just literally full guard holding him.

Zach Maslaney:

And I've I guess I've always had good guard recovery, and I just kept getting my guard back. And then every time they'd stand us up, he'd get a little bit more tired. You know? And then I'd start, like, okay. Now I'd kick him in the legs, and then he just made the mistake of trying to strike with me with 0 I mean, this is the days when it was just, like, this guy wrestled in college.

Zach Maslaney:

That's it. Like, he never even took a striking class. Okay. Let alone I've been doing karate since I was a kid. Sure.

Zach Maslaney:

So I just did the old look down and then kick high and end up kicking him in the face. And he went down, and then they they stopped it because of blood. You know? He was just bleeding all over the place, and I won a title in my first fight. And I was like, alright.

Zach Maslaney:

Let's go. I'm going to UFC. Yeah. Yeah. Obviously, I didn't.

Zach Maslaney:

But Was

Drew Beech:

your dad there?

Zach Maslaney:

Yeah. He was there. He was scared shitless because the first fight, and my first girlfriend, was there too. And, she was same thing. She, like, turned white because the first fight, the dude, he's he was a a Philadelphia guy too named Stephen High.

Zach Maslaney:

And he grabbed the guy in a tie clinch and just kneed him, like, 4 times in the head. And the last knee, he, like, kneed him, and the guy, like, was, like, out of his feet. The ref's like, it's over. And then the guy falls over, like, lifeless body. And my dad's like What

Joey Rosen:

is what is going on?

Zach Maslaney:

He's like, you're the main event. He's like, you're the last fight. He's like, dude, I hope you know what you're doing, man. I hope you know what

Joey Rosen:

you know about. To your fight.

Drew Beech:

That was the first prelim.

Zach Maslaney:

Yeah. It was the first literally the first fight as he was walking in. He just sees a guy just getting kneaded into, like, oblivion. And he

Drew Beech:

he really didn't have any experience with, like, these fights before.

Zach Maslaney:

He never seen it.

Joey Rosen:

I knew. He was the exact line. He does not know where he's there.

Drew Beech:

He's like, I I imagine just the way the way you're talking about him, like, your relationship, but, like, it's super funny.

Zach Maslaney:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Drew Beech:

So it I can only imagine him, like, saying this to you. Be like, what the fuck is my son doing? Yeah.

Zach Maslaney:

We I re I do remember we went out to, like, a bar afterwards, and, we were, like, walking down the street, and someone drove by. And, I I stood. I had to I mean, I was gonna

Joey Rosen:

say I've

Zach Maslaney:

been watching WWF since I'm a kid. You know what

Drew Beech:

I mean?

Zach Maslaney:

So the Hulk Hogan and we used to make championship belts out of towels, me and my cousin wrestle each other. And I've always had this in my head about one day being a champion or something. When I won that shit, that was, like, still the best of my career because, I mean, I won other things too. But having that belt walking down the street of Jersey, like, right after the convention center, like, you know, my eye, it was kinda messed up. And my dad's there and everything like that.

Zach Maslaney:

It was a dope experience. Someone drove by and was like, yo, fuck Tiger Schulman. And and another guy that was with us, like, just a dude that was trained, yeah, come back here and say that. We got the belt pussy. And I was like, yo, guys.

Zach Maslaney:

Guys. Belt? Yeah. My dad was like, this is he's like, I never I never would have pegged you for doing something. Like, he he always knew I was outgoing.

Drew Beech:

Yeah.

Zach Maslaney:

And, like, my grandmother and my grandfather would always say that, you're either gonna be a lawyer or a a teacher or something like that. Someone just you know, you gotta be able to use your mouth and get out there and talk. Like, that's what because, you know, they would say I always do stuff like that. And then my dad was like, I didn't think you'd ever, like, be a fighter. You know?

Zach Maslaney:

He's like, you were scared of, like, riding on my speedboat when I was a kid. You were scared of these things. I didn't think he's like, I have my dad always says he has anxiety. He's like, I couldn't go out there in front of all those people in my underwear and just fist fight a guy and think I'm gonna win. He's like, I would shit my pants before I even left.

Zach Maslaney:

You know what I mean? So he's definitely, like, super proud of me and, like, you know, just seeing the business and stuff when he comes by, he's just like, I don't even understand this. Like, how did this happen? You know what I mean? He's believe me, he's more than happy for it.

Zach Maslaney:

But

Drew Beech:

I mean, he gets a part of the credit for putting you in Crotty. Yeah. Yeah.

Zach Maslaney:

Well, now let's bring it back together. So I got my I ended up I wanted I saw Eddie Bravo. I was like, I'm gonna get my black belt out of this guy. And I sometimes I pull my mind to something. I'll just like, you guys same way.

Zach Maslaney:

I'll just figure it out. Like, there doesn't have to be a path. I'll figure it out. Like, he's lives in Cali. Something will happen.

Zach Maslaney:

And, my one buddy, Bill, and another friend of mine, Sean, they moved out to LA to, 1, to be a he's a teacher, but he I don't know what he was event just trying to do something different. And my buddy, Sean, moved out to be a comedian. And I was like, oh, man. I'll I'll just go out there. And I already did, like, a fight or 2.

Zach Maslaney:

And, I went out there, and I stayed with them. And I was, like, just partying for a week in LA because I was in, you know, my early twenties. And I was like, you know what?

Drew Beech:

Living in Zuri.

Zach Maslaney:

I bet Eddie Bravo's around here some somewhere. I bet I could find him because I knew he was in LA. And I literally went on his computer, looked it up mile and a half from where I was staying.

Drew Beech:

Are you kidding me? I

Zach Maslaney:

walked to it. For a whole week, I was like, I extended my stay for another week. I was like, I'm just gonna walk down there. And I just walked down, and the lady was like, I was still not ranked, but I had got my, I think, black belt in karate or whatever. So I walked in, and she's like, what are you what are you here for?

Zach Maslaney:

I was like an hour early. And they're like, yo, the class starts 15 minutes late. You know what I mean? Even back then, they're like, we never started.

Drew Beech:

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Zach Maslaney:

I'm like, alright. She's like, are you a blue belt? You gotta be at least a blue belt and have experience. I'm like, yeah. I'm a blue belt.

Zach Maslaney:

So I just lied to her. And she's like, alright. You're good. And then I went in there, and I started taking class. I just jumped in his class.

Zach Maslaney:

And I remember he called me out. Like, the first day, I think he didn't see me. But second day, he was like, hey. Who are you? He's like, what are you training?

Zach Maslaney:

He I was like, I'm training Tiger Schulman. And he knew who he was. He was like, karate guy getting into jiu jitsu. He's like, that's cool, man. And then, like, ever since then, like, I just would show up there.

Zach Maslaney:

And, you know, it was like, probably, like, 8 years, 10 years maybe of me just being around 10th planet ish. Mhmm. And then, like or trying to just hit rubber guard moves or put someone in a twister, post it online, then tag them in it. Or, like, forums were big back in the day, so I'd go on the forum and be like, yo, East Coast Zach. You know?

Zach Maslaney:

I just hit more rubber guard. When are you gonna put me on? You know? And he'd be like, woah. That's sick.

Zach Maslaney:

And if you got a comment back from Eddie back in the day, it was like, damn. Like, he's actually looking at me. You know? In Pennsylvania, there's nobody out here doing 10th planet. And it was more the inner the, like, Instagram now where you could just like, I learned you know, I've been teaching a lot of the, Danny, Myra, and, Nick.

Zach Maslaney:

I've been watching the little thing that they did with you guys. I watch that all the time. Mhmm. That's interesting. That's not my style, but I gotta teach the guys this.

Zach Maslaney:

So, like, you couldn't just readily get moves like that. So the like, everybody, even Donner, everybody was hiding moves. Yeah. So Eddie was like, oh, the fact that you're figuring that out through books and stuff is pretty crazy. And what's crazy, it wasn't just me.

Zach Maslaney:

There were guys that did it all over the even in Australia, there were guys doing it. You know, same thing. And then I just trained with them a bunch. And then finally, I was like, you know what? I was out here.

Zach Maslaney:

I started getting more into I went through, like, a breakup, and I was just kinda on my own again. I was like, you know what, dude? I should just go back to martial arts full time. It's the only thing I've really been interested in, good at. I'm a just start a gym.

Zach Maslaney:

Screw it. And I had a bunch of guys that kinda trained at Tiger, wrestlers, high school buddies, family that I'm just gonna do. I'm gonna round up every straggler in the book and be like, just take this freaking class with me when I start teaching. Yeah. And then I told Eddie, like, hey, man.

Zach Maslaney:

Like, I'm gonna teach 10th planet whether you like it or not. Like, so either let me be an affiliate and let me pay you, or I'm just gonna still teach

Drew Beech:

10th planet. Anyway.

Zach Maslaney:

And he was like, alright. Alright. You I

Drew Beech:

fell to that point.

Zach Maslaney:

In jiu jitsu? Yeah. No. I I don't I never got ranked in jiu jitsu any by anyone but Eddie, so I I was a white belt, really. And then he was like, what rank are you?

Zach Maslaney:

I was like, I don't have a rank or anything. He's like, but you got fights, though, and you did all those matches. I was like, we just been training ourselves, dawg. You know? That's what we're doing.

Zach Maslaney:

He was like, alright. Well, come out here and train with me or whatever, and then we'll, you know, see what's up. I was like, alright. Well, I've trained with you a million times, but whatever. And then it just so happens that they had a a Rochester was the closest tent planet.

Zach Maslaney:

Right? Shout out to Chris Hertzog, tent Pete Rochester. And, he's one of, like, the founding tent planet guys, and they had a tournament, 55 tournament. Like, it was before when Eddie was just about to start getting into running subonis, and he wanna do EBI. You know, EBI became very famous, And he wanted he was like, you know what?

Zach Maslaney:

I'm gonna just have my when I go to teach these seminars and have these camps and all these guys come, why don't I just start having their young best guys fight each other? And that's how we can kinda start the the matches because he was, like, toying with the rules and stuff. And ours was just it was just a no time limit sub only, 155 for, like, $500.

Drew Beech:

And he

Zach Maslaney:

they didn't even advertise.

Drew Beech:

So you're

Zach Maslaney:

not limit? Yeah. No time limit matches. Yeah. And I was like I call him up.

Zach Maslaney:

I was like agree. I hit up Hertzog. I'm like, yo. Let me in. Let me get into 55.

Zach Maslaney:

And he's like, you're not from 10th planet. I was like, but I'm coming to the seminars, and I paid. He's like, nah. Sorry, dawg. Not from 10th planet.

Zach Maslaney:

I was like, alright. So I went up there, and then, you know, Eddie teaches a whole seminar. So I'm not thinking I'm gonna compete or anything like that. And I I'm always under 155. I never really go over that.

Zach Maslaney:

And he was just like came out, and he goes, alright. We're gonna break, you know, for lunch, and then we're gonna come back and have a tournament. And, you know, 55 is gonna be sick. And actually, someone got sick, so we need one more guy. And, like, the 2 dudes I was with were just like And I was like, yo, I'll do it.

Zach Maslaney:

And he was like, alright. You, my man. What's your name? I was like, Zach Meslin.

Drew Beech:

He's bet you a few Yeah.

Zach Maslaney:

A 1000000 times. And he's like, Zach Meslin? He's like, oh, yeah. You're good, man. Wait.

Zach Maslaney:

He's just like, wait. I know you. He's like, alright. Yeah. Let him do it.

Zach Maslaney:

And then, 2 guys got their purple belt that day, and I tapped both of those guys. Tapped the one guy with an arm bar, and I got the other guy with a toe hold. And then the 3rd guy beat me by knee bar after, like, 15 minutes.

Drew Beech:

Yeah. So I

Zach Maslaney:

was pissed. But he was already a purple belt, and I didn't have any belt. And I was wearing a brown 10th planet T shirt. Eddie's like, are you a brown belt? I was like, no.

Zach Maslaney:

I bought this off your website. And he's like, well, what belt are you? I'm like, oh, white, I guess. And he's like, oh, you never got a belt. He's like, those are ranked shirts.

Zach Maslaney:

I'm like, oh, I didn't know that. I just bought the shirt. You know? So I'm rolling around with a brown belt, and these guys are like, what the hell with this guy? Yeah.

Zach Maslaney:

And then, I did go out to LA for a week or 2 and, train with him. And then in one of the classes, he was just like he would you and even before before I, like, even got closer with him, he would always use me for demonstrations because I think I know how to move to not, like and to make the my job is an or whatever is to make. My guys don't understand this. So, guys, get this through your skull. You have to go back.

Drew Beech:

Is to

Zach Maslaney:

make me look good. You know what I mean? So when Eddie would do the moves on me, I'll go up there and just let him you know, whatever he's doing, I, like, act like I'm getting jacked up. Like, in WWE, like, you gotta sell it. Yeah.

Zach Maslaney:

Oh, I'm, like, making him look good, and he's like, oh, I like this guy. He's my weight. He's just or I'm lighter than him, but I'm small enough to where he can throw me around to where it looks good. And I know the move, so it's easy for him. He didn't have to be like, oh, put your leg here.

Zach Maslaney:

Put your leg here. And the other guy's like, you know how many times I've seen him doing that trying to show the truck to somebody, and they're just legs in the wrong position? And he's just like, come on, dude.

Drew Beech:

You gotta get the right reaction.

Zach Maslaney:

Yeah.

Drew Beech:

Right? Like

Joey Rosen:

So when you went out with your buddies, right, that first time, you send her to stay by a week. Right? So you're you're there for a week training there, right, with with Eddie, and then you go back you come back to the East Coast. Yeah. And you're just training here, and then periodically, are you going to the West Coast?

Zach Maslaney:

I would just go visit them, like, during the summer for, like, a week. Okay. Stay out there, like, stay fucking out there, like, all that. Nah.

Joey Rosen:

It's not like you went out for

Zach Maslaney:

months at a time. Nah. I wish. That would've been a long game.

Drew Beech:

My typical the one that I would say is, like, the power of the universe and, like, you setting your mind to something and, like, saying it's gonna happen and then actually, like Yeah. Like, the guy getting sick, like and, like, shit like that doesn't just happen. You know what I mean? Like, you fucking said it was gonna happen, and

Zach Maslaney:

it fucking happened. It's weird. You know? There's there's a a quote. I I, like, always take music, like, especially rap music because they they say a lot of crazy stuff.

Zach Maslaney:

But I always take, like, some of the stuff in the quotes, like, where it makes sense to, like, business stuff where it, like, hypes me up. Like, the one ludicrous one, he he's got a line in there where he says, if I said it, I've either meant it or or I've he goes, if I said it, I've either done it or it's about to happen. And, you know, it's like in my mind, it's like, sometimes wife's like, oh, you came up with idea. You didn't even do it. I'm like, it's not I'm not even done with that one yet.

Zach Maslaney:

I'm just working on that. Yeah. And that's happened to me so many times where I mean, how how did I stay at a guy's place, And it was a mile and a half walk. I walked through it. I literally walked to the gym.

Zach Maslaney:

It could have been anywhere. LA is huge. You can't even get from downtown to Pasadena, which is 12 miles. It takes 4 2 hours to get there.

Joey Rosen:

Yep.

Zach Maslaney:

You know what I mean? So Oh, yeah.

Drew Beech:

It was more soft. Point. The 10 cracker mammon is, like, are basically are basically the rules of the team.

Zach Maslaney:

Yeah. It's true.

Joey Rosen:

I will say, man, like, our musical taste, I believe, is very, very, very similar. Now we're the same age, but Yeah. Yeah. Like, sometimes you'll post and you'll have, like, a old school, like Jada Kiss Banger

Zach Maslaney:

on there.

Drew Beech:

And I'm

Zach Maslaney:

like East Coast. Even the West Coast guys don't know about that. I've even had to tell Eddie Bravo. He was like, one time we were driving around. He's like, who is this?

Zach Maslaney:

This is sick. I'm like, this is big l. I'm like, how do you not know big l?

Drew Beech:

Bionics.

Zach Maslaney:

Yeah. We have

Joey Rosen:

we have, we have gangster on rotation here.

Zach Maslaney:

Dude, that's what I'm saying. The West Coast guys, I don't I'll I'm I'm not gonna fault him too much.

Drew Beech:

I, I it's funny you said that because I picked up a song from one of your post, the, song cry by Jay z. I fucking been bumping that.

Joey Rosen:

Oh, yeah. That's one of my favorite songs.

Drew Beech:

That was never one of my songs, but I heard it when you posted it one time. I I've been bumping it on my list.

Zach Maslaney:

There's some man, Jay z's got some old ones that are, like, people don't even know about it. There's so much knowledge in

Drew Beech:

my idea. Yeah. I'm still working through them.

Zach Maslaney:

Oh, I'll send you some. I'll send you some. I'll send you a playlist. But some of the some of our guys listen to newer stuff, and, I mean, some of it is good. I still like it, but some is like, dude, I can't I don't even

Joey Rosen:

know if there's change.

Drew Beech:

Yeah. Big time.

Zach Maslaney:

Yeah. Big time.

Drew Beech:

None of the belts be anything or whatever, but I I I just I just need to know at what point you got a belt or a black belt. Like like, do you go from beating people's asses to, like, actually being, like, ranked? Like

Zach Maslaney:

Oh, yeah. No. So he'd so that when I when I went out there again, and I was like, okay. Let me see see if I can, like, get with them and, like, go out to dinner or something and be like because I didn't know what, like, how people just throw affiliations around sometimes now. But back then, the get one was like, yo, if I'm gonna let you be the guy in Pennsylvania, like, that's East Coast.

Zach Maslaney:

Like, you gotta know what's up. And he was just like, look. You gotta be ready when some guy rolls through your gym. It's 170 and tries to kick your ass, you know, and test you. You gotta be ready because that's kinda what dudes would do to Eddie all the time.

Zach Maslaney:

That's why his body's so beat up because he was

Drew Beech:

just That's what they do.

Zach Maslaney:

Going to war with everybody Yeah. At all times. But when I went out there and he was like, he was like, yeah. So, he brought me up to do a demonstration with them or whatever, and he was, like, showing the moves. And he's, and they would always film MTS, you know, his, like, series.

Zach Maslaney:

So if you got on that series, it was, like, next level. And this is right when Gio and Boogie were starting to get big too. Those guys were starting to get like, they were only, like, blue belts or something like that, and they were getting pretty popular. So I kinda came up the ranks with those guys. And, but, Eddie was like, this is Zach.

Zach Maslaney:

If you guys don't know Zach, he's gonna be running tent planning out in Pennsylvania. And I was like, oh, shit. I'm like, I'm running tent planning out in Pennsylvania.

Joey Rosen:

Have a belt yet?

Zach Maslaney:

Yeah. No. I was still wiping. Yeah. And then I was he was leaving.

Zach Maslaney:

It was, like, the last day, and I didn't even think about it because you don't wear your belt. Yeah. So I'm just sitting there, like, going to war with dudes with sweatpants on and stuff. It don't matter. Like, guys are wearing weird shit.

Zach Maslaney:

And, he was leaving. He was coming out of the shower, and I remember, like, they would always, like, because it was at the old Tap Out gym where I finally, the first Tap Out gym when I first started, like, actually, like, okay. Now I'm 10th planet, you know. And I was he was leaving. He took a shower, and he was leaving.

Zach Maslaney:

I was kinda hanging outside. I was like, yo, Eddie. I was like, so what do I gotta do? He's like, just email me, and then we'll get it all set up. I was like, yo.

Zach Maslaney:

Yo. Yo. He's like, what? I'm like, what do I do about, like, the belts and shit? Like, what do I tell people about that?

Zach Maslaney:

He's like, are you not a blue belt? I'm like, no. He's like, dude, you're a blue belt. I'm like, yes. And then that's how I got my blue belt.

Zach Maslaney:

He never actually gave me You know what I mean? But

Drew Beech:

you but you've been training for, like, what, at that point, like, 8 years?

Zach Maslaney:

Yeah. I'd already had, like, profession I mean, there wasn't professional and amateur, but I already had, like, pro MMA fights.

Drew Beech:

And you had already beaten those purple belts and

Zach Maslaney:

brown belts. I was like, oh, shit. I'm a blue belt. This is sick. I actually was hyped about it because I got to go, like, back because I never did that.

Zach Maslaney:

And, like, I always like getting belts in karate, so I figured, hey. This will be fun. I'll just get a belt. You know what I mean? Yeah.

Zach Maslaney:

And, that's why I never cared about it because it wasn't, like, a big thing. But when I, obviously, when I got my black belt, like, it kinda, like, was, like, woah. I just got my black belt from Eddie Bravo. This is something that I set out to do 10 years ago.

Drew Beech:

Yeah.

Zach Maslaney:

You know what I mean? And somehow I achieved that, which is pretty crazy. Because he's only got, like under him, I think he only has, like, 60 or something like that. What's your

Joey Rosen:

dad what's your dad say at this point? You're like, okay. By the way, now I have a bill. Now

Drew Beech:

He's not just playing

Joey Rosen:

on the East Coast.

Drew Beech:

Yeah. You're dead. If I have to guess, he just thinks, like, Zach was doing his thing. Like, I can't really continue.

Zach Maslaney:

Sometimes he's like he'll be like, man, I don't even know. How do you make money? Like, I don't understand what you're doing. Like, I'm like, dad, guys, I mean, they pay at the gym. So, I mean, that's part of it.

Zach Maslaney:

You know? Because they'll see me, like, I'll send them, like, I'm doing a podcast or whatever. And he's like, oh, that's cool. Like, you know, and he thinks, you know, to to him, he thinks I'm famous in jujitsu and not. And I was like, it's a small niche thing.

Zach Maslaney:

But, yeah, some people do know who I am in that niche.

Joey Rosen:

You know

Zach Maslaney:

what I mean? Yeah. Not outside of it.

Drew Beech:

So did you go through all the the belts or just all of them? I went through all

Zach Maslaney:

of them. Like, I he eventually gave me Oh,

Drew Beech:

you saw them had to be quick, though.

Zach Maslaney:

Right? Because I think, like, a year or 2 later, I got my purple belt when I went to the he went he was doing a they finally let him back in Canada, so I went up to visit him up there. And, I think he he hit my purple belt in Canada. He got I got my brown belt at our gym one time, like, the when I was moving gyms and we were, like, building up those time. And then, when we went out to I already had Grace as a student and everything, so so she was killing it.

Drew Beech:

Uh-huh.

Zach Maslaney:

And, then I went out to then when I got my black belt, we were out there and, my one guy, John blank Thor. Mhmm. He's a killer, and, he got, you know, ADCC and all that stuff. Mhmm. And, he had won combat jujitsu that weekend.

Zach Maslaney:

Oh, wow. And Eddie was like, alright. Force my hand. Here's your black belt. And he's like, you're he goes, because, you know, he'll give guys black belts for, like, them doing good.

Zach Maslaney:

Like, you know, I was already a little bit older when I got into, like, trying to do professional jujitsu. And I had a lot of big matches, still won some stuff, but mostly, I was already even while competing, I was, like, already kinda turning into, like, okay. Well, I own the gym, so I have to coach these guys. And, you know, John and Grace are just 2, like, unbelievable students to walk into the door and just hone them and, you know, kinda, like, guide their, you know, outcome. And Thor got into they didn't have him in.

Zach Maslaney:

He got in late to that, EBI, and then he smoked everybody, subbed everybody, all 4 guys in 1 20 k. And that's how we started templating Allentown. And then Eddie was like, alright. Here's your black belt. And then what's crazy is John Giac Michado is Eddie's coach.

Zach Maslaney:

You know? So and I always you know, once I met him, I was like, this guy is like jujitsu yoda. Like, he's like under like, not a lot of people know that much about him. And everything he says is, like, you know, like, knowledge. You know what I mean?

Zach Maslaney:

You're like, this guy, if you could just hang around with him and just and he's so positive. Everything is like, my guy, you're the champion. You're my friend. You know, he's everything. He's hyping you up.

Zach Maslaney:

And, you know, no matter you lose, no front no. Everything is like he's got a saying for it. He's got so many sick ones. So Eddie, got his black belt from Jon Joc. Jon Joc is actually the first guy to bring Chuck Norris.

Zach Maslaney:

So he found out about, Chuck Norris. Right? Mhmm. And, actually, Chuck Norris found out about him. He was in Brazil doing stuff, and they had the older Machado brothers.

Zach Maslaney:

And they explained to Chuck Norris. They're like, look. This is a group of brothers like the Gracies, but it's a it's their cousins. And they're all beasts. You know, Jon Joc, Keegan, all the all the Machados.

Zach Maslaney:

And he was like, alright. So and the Machado, like, Jon Jock, you know, is missing, fingers on his hand. He only has, like, one hand. So, like, even though it's gi, you could see where Eddie got a lot of techniques from. Because just like me and a lot of the rubber guard guys, your left arm overhook because everyone passes with the right arm underhook.

Zach Maslaney:

That over hook is because Jon Joc doesn't have fingers. He can't grab the gi. So he's over hook, under hook everything. Yeah. So you see when Eddie over hooks and he does shit that Jon Joc doesn't do.

Zach Maslaney:

Jon Joc's always like, oh, Eddie, he's doing like a flying coyote guard. I don't know. You know, it's all crazy stuff. But he even rolling with him, though, I tried to, like, do work. I'm just like rolling with a ghost.

Zach Maslaney:

He has that, like, jujitsu, like, what Hixson would say, the jujitsu you can't see, the invisible jujitsu where you, like, try to put pressure on him. He's just not there. And he's like an older guy too. He's in his fifties. And he you know, Chuck Norris rolled with him, got rolled up, and was like, okay.

Zach Maslaney:

If you get a black belt in Chuck Norris Karate back in the day, USA Karate, you also had to get a blue belt under the Machados. And then he moved the Machados over to America, and he paid for Jon Joc's first school.

Joey Rosen:

Oh, that's weird.

Zach Maslaney:

And there's a whole thing with, like, they were gonna call it Gracie Jiu Jitsu because that's what they grew up on,

Drew Beech:

Gracie Jiu Jitsu. Yeah.

Zach Maslaney:

But then, you know, I I don't wanna totally tell the story because I don't know if all what, you know, what all the details are. Yeah. But there was, like, you know, they were gonna sue. And, and, like, it could have been a whole thing because, like, they didn't the Gracie's were, like, no. We're this is our thing.

Zach Maslaney:

We're making money off

Drew Beech:

this. Yeah.

Zach Maslaney:

So they just called it, you know, Machado Brazilian jiu jitsu. And then that's how to me, it's like, I can't even believe that story because my dad literally has no idea who any of these people are, knows nothing about jiu jitsu. He goes, man, Walker, Texas Rangers. The man, you guys need to learn how to fight.

Joey Rosen:

I know.

Zach Maslaney:

Next, you know, I'm in here. Chuck Norris, a black belt under Jon Joc. Yeah. So I'm in that lineage now. And my dad, he doesn't to him, it's mind boggling.

Zach Maslaney:

I'm like, Chuck Norris brought this guy over to teach jujitsu. Yeah. He's like, what? I think, you

Joey Rosen:

know, I think your dad had, like, something to do with all that kind of

Drew Beech:

investigation. Wild.

Zach Maslaney:

I just think he knew. He was like, you

Drew Beech:

know what?

Zach Maslaney:

I got I got these 2 boys. I gotta put them in something to make them, like, stronger and tougher and learn how to fight.

Joey Rosen:

You know? Yeah.

Drew Beech:

And I

Zach Maslaney:

think he never had that chance when he was a kid. So when he saw that opportunity, he was like He took it. I don't care how much it cost.

Drew Beech:

He just took us through that story, but the it's what again, to emphasize the power of the universe in your in your story is fucking wild. Yeah. And now it's you're it started and not ended, but

Zach Maslaney:

Yeah. It's full circle.

Drew Beech:

Yeah. It came full circle with Chuck Norris. It's fucking wild.

Zach Maslaney:

Yeah. It is pretty crazy. I can't even believe that happened. I mean, I owe it all to Chuck. I gotta get a and what is I'm mad about this, but I used to have a, I sent away one time.

Zach Maslaney:

I wrote him a letter or something like that when I was a kid, and he sent a thing back. And it said, best wishes. Keep kicking. Love, Chuck. And it was like a picture of him, like, with a cowboy hat, like, in a stance.

Zach Maslaney:

I can't find it. I'm so mad. It's around one day, I'm around somewhere.

Joey Rosen:

You'll find it when the time's right.

Drew Beech:

None of your bell promotions were, like, ceremonious. They were all just like, yeah.

Zach Maslaney:

Yeah. It was all kinda like, dude. Like, I gotta give this guy his black belt. Like you know? And it did I mean, because to me, I just always feel like it means something to you personally.

Zach Maslaney:

You know what I mean? So Yeah. When I got, that was cool. But, you know, I just you know? It is.

Zach Maslaney:

It's why I don't I don't rank the kids. And, people give me shit about this sometimes, but if the kids start Oh, you

Drew Beech:

don't rank the kids at

Zach Maslaney:

all? No. I don't rank any of our kids. When they get to 14, usually, they've been training me since they're 8, 14, 15. You so I used to make them wait till they were 16.

Zach Maslaney:

And I made big Chris. I've I've always had these teenage, like, prodigy type kids. And they come through the gym, and I make them wait. Like, now Sid, he moved down to Maryland, Sid Tavilaro. He's sick you know, I gave him his, a blue belt when he turned 15 because he's subbing adults.

Drew Beech:

Yeah. Yeah.

Zach Maslaney:

He was a 15 year old just slicing these adults. Same thing with we got Maya Lang and Grace when she was a kid. So, you know, 14, 15 years old. If you're tapping adult blue and purple belts, I might have to give you a blue belt. But since they're they never got belts when they were kids, they could care less.

Zach Maslaney:

They get their blue belt. They're happy, but it's not like, you know, where some people go nuts on it. They they don't really care.

Drew Beech:

Yeah. It's interesting because, I mean, some of these kids, like, like, there's kids at at movement that would easily kick my ass about it.

Zach Maslaney:

Oh, yeah.

Drew Beech:

I'm like, they deserve like, the one kid, Seth, he could be purple belt easily. And it's just their level of, like, understanding of jiu jitsu and the and the art and the game is just on a different level. But it's interesting to bring that up because that's what really one of the parts that drove me away from my old school, but that should not be named. It's all around the belts for the kids. Like, we'd be going driving to class and probably be, oh, I'm getting promoted today.

Drew Beech:

And I'm like What? What? Like, how do you know that? Like, you didn't work hard enough. Like, you you didn't study or like, put in the work on the mats.

Drew Beech:

Like, you got tapped last week. Like, not that that means anything. But and he said, well, it's my 1st class of the month. Like, it's it's time for promotion. I'm like, like, what am I I don't literally, I teach the world 100 of thousands of people that you need to work hard and show up every day and and put in the extra reps to earn something.

Drew Beech:

And here I am taking my son to a place where they're just giving it to him for showing up. Like, in what world do you get something for showing up? Nowhere.

Joey Rosen:

Nowhere.

Zach Maslaney:

I think that's a old school just, you know, format that they had for karate too, and those are way to keep people there.

Drew Beech:

They're like Well, that's Mhmm. Yeah. That that company Yeah. They they are they created a business. And, like, and this is something I always talk to, like, Danny and Nick about.

Drew Beech:

It's like, there's a fine line in my opinion, like, just being a business person of, like, in jujitsu. Like, the stuff I I do at the gym with my wife, Art, the gym we own, we wouldn't do and if we wanted to go to school. Right. So the martial art has to stay the martial art. Yeah.

Drew Beech:

Some Yeah. Capacity. And and they kind of commercialized it

Zach Maslaney:

to me. That makes total sense. And that that really resonates because what I tell the kids and what I tell the parents when they ask, like, how come how come he doesn't get do they get belts or, like, how does that work? And I'm like, you know, I never did it just because I never even thought about it when I started up the kids' class. But now that it's been going, I'm never gonna give it to them because here, it matters what you are.

Zach Maslaney:

Anytime someone asks me about it is my cue to give this exact speech that I always give. And I tell him, here, it doesn't matter what belt you are. Nobody cares. Nobody cares here whether you win or lose. All they care about is how you act as a person on the mat.

Zach Maslaney:

That's what matters. We all know who the best kid is here. We all know who the the best at armbars is. We all know there's only one way to change that is to be the best at it. It has nothing to do with those belts, and I'm not gonna start giving it to you guys.

Zach Maslaney:

So that way, it becomes a thing. Well, how come this guy got his belt and I didn't get mine? And then the parents have a thing. It's like, dude, they don't even care. And one of the kids used to, he he's older now, and I think he went to college.

Zach Maslaney:

But he I used to tell him, anytime a kid would ask, like, when do we play dodgeball or or when do we get belts? I'd be like, Robert, hit him with it, and he'd be like, we don't play ball. We roll, bro. And he would say that to him. And they're like, oh, man.

Zach Maslaney:

And then we used to scare the new guys out, have the kids tell him. It's like, oh, is it today? Like, he was, like, 12, and he would walk up to an adult on their 1st night. He'd be like, hey. Is today your 1st night?

Zach Maslaney:

And the guy's like, yeah. He's like, oh, on your 1st night, you have to fight. Like, it was fight club. And he's like, well, I'm just here for a you know, it's like a 12 year old kid telling me, I'm just doing a trial class. He's like, nah.

Zach Maslaney:

I'm like, dude, don't mind him. You know what I mean?

Drew Beech:

That's the thing too. Like, we would get there, and we'd spend he my son would spend 15 minutes warming up, some basic technique. Super, super basic. Like, the and then we dodgeball will be 10, 15 minutes. Yeah.

Zach Maslaney:

Yeah. And then Parents get mad at that.

Drew Beech:

Yeah. I'm like, I'm not paying Yeah. For my because I'm gonna come here, but I would dodgeball at home, dude. If you're like Yeah.

Zach Maslaney:

You could

Drew Beech:

do that

Joey Rosen:

None of that goes on in my team. I don't even

Zach Maslaney:

know what it is.

Drew Beech:

Well, at at at Movement, they'll play a game here and there. Like, I and it's like a it's like a at Movement, it's Nick has them do, like like, a game is like burpees and running. Yeah. That's a game. Yeah.

Drew Beech:

Like, that's the game.

Zach Maslaney:

Yeah. You I I tell them this too. Like, because they're like, oh, why why can't we, every now and then someone would be like, why can soccer like we played when we had the, Christmas party? I go, guys, you guys, I only have you I'm only here with you for an hour twice a week. If I spent 15 minutes a a day playing a game, that's a half hour a week that I've wasted now, and I only have you for 2 hours.

Zach Maslaney:

And they're like, oh, yeah. That makes sense. I'm like, your parents will will be pissed at me if they come in here and they see us playing games. They wanna see you sweating and working.

Drew Beech:

Learning how to defend yourself in the street or, like, do jujitsu. Like, they don't want I'm not gonna pay for you to it's not an effort to school program. I want I'll take you to the wine.

Joey Rosen:

Park, dude. Yeah.

Drew Beech:

I'll take you to the park. Kick the

Joey Rosen:

ball around.

Drew Beech:

Like, at the wine, yeah, yeah, in the street, that's half the price. Yeah.

Zach Maslaney:

Yeah. I tell the guys too the same thing. I'm like, don't so, like, when the little kids' class ends, I usually I'm just getting there, and I'm getting changed, and I'm about to walk out. And I start I try to start classes close to on time as I can. Some of my kids are still coming off the bus and everything.

Zach Maslaney:

And as I'm getting in there, they

Drew Beech:

a tight window.

Zach Maslaney:

Yeah. They pick up the ball for, like, a second. One kid throws it. I'm like, alright, guys. Up against the wall.

Zach Maslaney:

And they're like, damn. You know what I mean? They're like, he's not letting us live. I'm like, dude, this is you know what I mean? Yeah.

Zach Maslaney:

This is work time, bro. In between the 12 and when it hits again, we gotta work, bro. Your parents come in here and see you're not working. They're not gonna yell at you. They're gonna yell at me.

Zach Maslaney:

Exactly. I ain't getting yelled at. So get your ass up and start going. Exactly. You know?

Zach Maslaney:

I'm always busting our chops, but they the kid our kids' class now because I think we run it like that, it's never gonna have a like, Dante Rivera tell me, so, I got a 1000000 kids, you know, and they probably do. And I'm sure he's balling out, but I'll just never and, honestly, if, I don't even think I physically, my body will let me do it. Not that believe me, Dante's a man. But, like, I could never have and they do geese, so it's a little bit different because they have the belts and everything, and we don't. So, like, we're never gonna have, like, that many kids because it's just tougher.

Zach Maslaney:

You gotta be kind of, like, you know, a hard nosed kid to be in there, like, every day with, like, just a T shirt and shorts

Joey Rosen:

rest. Delayed gratification. Yeah. You know that.

Drew Beech:

Yeah. That's again, not to bring up my son too much, but we switched gyms. He was on the last stripe to getting his his next belt, his gray belt. And I like, literally, he's just learning the move. Like, they're not gonna promote me anytime soon because he has to earn it.

Drew Beech:

And he's learning. I I always used to make him like, I would get him cake pops that I don't anymore at Starbucks when he's, like, 1, like, 1.

Zach Maslaney:

Yeah. I can't.

Drew Beech:

And I'd give it to the bag to him in the back, and I would say, okay. You can't eat this till we get home. And you have to sit there

Zach Maslaney:

And hold the bag.

Drew Beech:

With the bat hold the bag with his fucking k pop in it, and people would think I was fucking crazy because I wanted to, like, delay gratification like that. I'm like, but he's better for it. Like, now he's he's going to jiu jitsu. He loves going to jiu jitsu. He's just doing jiu jitsu.

Drew Beech:

Yeah. Not worried about his stripe. Like, literally, it's all the kids cared about at that place.

Zach Maslaney:

Yeah. I'm going the opposite route as opposed to trying to keep them with the belts and the they're constantly holding the carrot in front so that way you have to keep running to get that belt your next promotion. I try to get them with and this is, like, what I've been really trying to get into lately is, and I've already been into it, but I'm just being more vocal about it. But I'm really trying to get them to understand. It's like, this isn't just like a a sport.

Zach Maslaney:

Like, I just play softball and then it's over. This is a thing that you do all the time. Your parents put you into this as a lifestyle to keep you healthy. So that way, you're not just coming home from school and playing video games, eating Cheetos. You know what I mean?

Zach Maslaney:

You're supposed to be here 3 times a week. It has nothing to do with tournaments and belts, and that's all extra. We do that because we're kinda crazy and we wanna get into that shit. You know? But for the most part, this is just the life that you live.

Zach Maslaney:

You come here and you do this, and that's it. You just there's no, like, end goal. There's no end to it.

Drew Beech:

You just do it. What ages are those kids that you're speaking to?

Zach Maslaney:

Usually, they're over, like, 8 or 9. You know what I mean? And they're getting a little bit older, so they understand.

Drew Beech:

That's where your kid starts. 8.

Zach Maslaney:

No. We have a littler kids, but, we just play I mean, not not ball, but, like, he's playing, like you know, they gotta hang on his back, and they roll out and stuff. The only reason we have this class is because or that class. And now there's more kids in it, which is crazy, but it's because the other parents that train there have kids that young. So they're like, yo.

Zach Maslaney:

Come on. And they wanna they

Drew Beech:

wanna get started in the in jujitsu as early as possible.

Zach Maslaney:

Yeah. They just want they don't even care that they're doing anything. Just want them rolling around on a mat. Yeah. But then I give the same speech to the fundamental the advanced guys get a completely different speech.

Zach Maslaney:

That's me usually bitching at them and telling them, like, get their shit together. But the beginner guys, I'm trying to tell them is, like, it's not like, hey. I'm gonna do this for the summer, and then I'm gonna quit. Like, there's no end goal. Like, forget black belt.

Zach Maslaney:

Do you guys think I'm a black belt? And guys like, yeah. Probably. I'm like, you don't even know.

Drew Beech:

Yeah. Who cares?

Zach Maslaney:

The only reason you think that is because they they put a picture of me up on a wall. Yeah. Other than that, you just think that I'm one of the dudes rolling around here. Yeah. Nobody cares.

Drew Beech:

Really, the belt surgery is only cool for you.

Zach Maslaney:

We're just training to train because it's a lifestyle we do. It never ends, and it makes me a better person. It makes me healthier. And I I have a community of people that I can trust. Most of the people that are good.

Zach Maslaney:

You're meeting people of all different shapes and sizes, every different type of race. You got women. And then I love bringing my son, not just for the the grappling part and that he loves wrestling, but that he sees people that are in shape. He sees, you know, a guy that's a doctor, a dude that, you know, is like a cop. He he might meet a a a teenage kid that sells weed or something like that.

Zach Maslaney:

That I'm like, this guy's got it. You know what I mean? But people are there at least trying to better themselves. Yeah. And even if they're not in shape, because it's not like you have to be in shape to be at the gym.

Zach Maslaney:

They're working to get in shape. He sees people working hard. So now even though he's only 3, when he sees the kids wrestling, he doesn't know. They it looks like to to to him, they're just wrestling. It's they're playing a game.

Zach Maslaney:

Let's wrestle, daddy. Now we wrestle, but little does he know, like, they're it's a hard ass thing. They're killing they're working each other. You know what I mean? Yep.

Drew Beech:

It's yep. It really it takes a different kind of individual to, like, spend your free time going to a gym and getting your head bounced off a mat and getting getting the shit choked out of you. Like, the fact that my son can't

Zach Maslaney:

even get off the couch.

Drew Beech:

Yeah. The fact that my son's already done a few competitions at 8 is, like Huge. Yeah. Huge. And you're really, like when you're kudos to anyone that competes, but when you're out there, it's just you and one other person, and you're trying to kill each other.

Drew Beech:

Like, they're all no matter if it's Inaga or just a worldly, like, they wanna win, dude. Like, you're getting the best you're getting everything they got. Yeah. And to be willing at even when you're fighting and competing, like, to go out there and do that, it just takes a different caliber of individual even from those that that do jujitsu in the gym. Yeah.

Drew Beech:

We're already you're a step over that.

Zach Maslaney:

Yeah. And that's like and even what it's like a half of 1% of people who actually go compete, which is insane. And I got a bunch of dads that make their sons compete. They don't even care if they win. Kid will be crying the whole match, throwing another kid in a triangle.

Zach Maslaney:

They're just like, look. That's the closest thing they can have to be in a fight. Yeah. And, look, public school is kinda crazy. You got all these kids in there.

Zach Maslaney:

You don't know what's gonna happen. You want them to be able to be like, hey. Someone touches him. He's not gonna think twice. He's just gonna let it ride.

Zach Maslaney:

And I always tell him, like, you're gonna turn around and you're gonna look at your dad. When you turn 18, like, he's gonna make you do this till you're 16, 8 years old. And you're gonna like it when you're once you become a teenager and you've been changing as a kid, you're start liking it. But you're gonna turn around and be like, you know what, dad? I know I complained a lot about coming here, but thanks for turning me into a freaking animal.

Zach Maslaney:

You know what I mean? Because now I mean, if just speaking because I have a son, like, not not you know, not that I I don't have a daughter, but it will be the same thing. I'd have my daughter as confident. She can talk to people. She's not afraid to be around guys.

Zach Maslaney:

She knows how to handle herself. Same with same thing with my son. Mhmm. He knows how to be around people that are in shape and good looking. He knows how to talk to adults.

Zach Maslaney:

He's around adults all the time. He knows how to, you know, handle himself in a wrestling thing. He talks in front of a class. Like, those are the type of things, like, you don't realize martial arts is teaching you. And it's not like like I said, it's not a season that just ends.

Zach Maslaney:

It's just a lifestyle. It's like, we just do

Drew Beech:

it. That's what we got. For me to get my son into it. I was seeing videos on Twitter of, like, kids getting beat up in the school bathroom and shit. And I'm like, I'm never letting Parker

Zach Maslaney:

do that.

Drew Beech:

And I got bullied. Yeah. And I didn't do anything about it because I was fuck I was a pussy. You know what I mean?

Zach Maslaney:

I didn't

Drew Beech:

I didn't I didn't have any what am I gonna do? Yell at him? Like, I wanna fuck guy. I my fucking

Joey Rosen:

I remember the first time, like, I got hands put on me too. Yeah.

Drew Beech:

I'm like

Zach Maslaney:

I remember the completely unprepared. Yeah. I had no idea. Kid just socked me right in the stomach in front of a soda machine. He was like, give me a it was like, I think, sodas were, like, 35¢ at the time.

Zach Maslaney:

He's like, had a dime. He's like, give me a quarter. I'm like, I don't have one. And he just grabbed me and then drilled me right in my stomach. And it was, like, the first time I ever really, like Uh-huh.

Zach Maslaney:

Got the wind knocked out of me as opposed to, like, falling down on the ground. I was like, woah. I never want that feeling again. You know? Yep.

Drew Beech:

Like, Parker fucked someone up. Yeah. Okay. I do have the lightning round question.

Joey Rosen:

Let's do let's do lightning.

Drew Beech:

Let's do lightning round. Just 3 questions. Just off the cuff. First one, what was harder, getting your black belt or Eddie Bravo or building a business?

Zach Maslaney:

I think building a business, honestly. Because, like, the jujitsu part, like, if you love that, like, something like that, that's easy. You know know what I mean? I could just show up, and that's what it really was for me, just showing up and continually to grind at it. And do I had already doing martial arts, I felt like I had the, you know, recipe for getting good.

Zach Maslaney:

Just keep coming in and trying your hardest, you know, eating healthy, all that kind of stuff too. And, but building a business, I had no idea how to do that. I think I'm always I've always been, like, entrepreneurial minded in the sense that I can come up with ideas, but then, like, somehow, you know, then I had to really, you know, hone in on, oh, I gotta, you know, figure out how to charge people for money, like, and do all those kind of things.

Drew Beech:

So

Zach Maslaney:

big learning experience there. You know?

Drew Beech:

That's the hard part about starting business businesses is, in my opinion, like, being comfortable asking for money. Okay. Like, I'm providing you a service and a value. Can can you pay me now? Like

Zach Maslaney:

That, you know, just and all the inner workings of, like, taxes and paying rent, and then, like, you know, I used to do dumb stuff. Like, oh, I forgot to pay the electric bill for 4 months, and now I owe them, like, $800. I'm like, what the heck? Like, how did I not know how to do that? So, like, trying to get on, like, a task.

Zach Maslaney:

Like, I always tell people, like, any advice if they ask me for advice in business, I write everything down. Like, I will put stuff down in my phone, but a lot of times, I'll I'll forget to look at my phone. K. So at my house, like, my wife will get mad because I just got Post its and, like, papers and, like, drawings all over the place.

Joey Rosen:

Writing's a more cognitive process. It actually helps it, you know, stick in your brain better.

Zach Maslaney:

100%. And if I gotta rewrite it, like, if I gotta take it from a note to another note, it pisses me off. I'm like, damn. I still didn't do that? Yes.

Drew Beech:

I agree. I didn't do

Zach Maslaney:

that, man. Come on. Yeah.

Drew Beech:

I agree. Alright. Next question. Pull guard or wrestle from the feet?

Zach Maslaney:

My if it was just me, myself, I'll pull guard. You know what I mean? Okay. But if I was like me 20 years ago, I'd probably judo somebody. You know what I mean?

Zach Maslaney:

Yeah. Judo toss. Right now, though

Drew Beech:

Umji Balar? Umji Balar?

Zach Maslaney:

Yeah. I'll play with that. Okay. Other than that, though, probably pulling guard. I might come out with a wrestling singlet and the ear guards and, like, slap around and, like, do a bunch of, like, penetration steps, but then probably 2 on 1 pull guard.

Drew Beech:

And the last question, Nicky Rod or Gordon Ryan?

Zach Maslaney:

It's Nicky Rod all day, dude.

Drew Beech:

That'd be great.

Joey Rosen:

You know,

Zach Maslaney:

I I I I will say, like, I know Gordon personally too, but I just when someone's given the keys to the whole entire game, like, I would do it differently. I know he would say, you're a bum and you can't do it differently because you're not me and you haven't done this shit, blah blah blah. And Gordon Ryan did win the finishers one. So I do have obviously, I have respect for him. The guy's a beast.

Zach Maslaney:

But, you know and I I do probably align with him on some things, you know, but, you know, Nicky Rod, I like him better. I don't know.

Drew Beech:

I agree. I agree.

Zach Maslaney:

Great.

Drew Beech:

That's all I got. That's all I got for, like, man. That's all his questions. Yeah. That's pretty good.

Drew Beech:

That's pretty consistent.

Joey Rosen:

Yeah. The community knows most of them, but let the community know where they can find you, finishers, like, all that good stuff.

Zach Maslaney:

Yep. Thank you. I wanna just wanna say real quick before I forget. Thank you guys so much for having me. I've been meaning to get down here forever, but, you know, just getting a babysitter and get everything set up and getting everybody to fill in all my roles is is tough sometimes.

Zach Maslaney:

But, you could just follow me on Instagram, big uncle Zach Maslany. Anything if you just search finishers, you'll find it somewhere, the sub only, finisher sub only, all that stuff. And really what I'm getting into now that I'm getting older, and I feel like I talk a lot of crap online too. So I need to put my money where my mouth is, and I really want to start, helping people get more healthy. Like, I know it's like, oh, it's just a thing.

Zach Maslaney:

You know? And and, this should be bipartisan, but some of the stuff that RFK is saying right now, I mean, whether you like him or not and think he has a brain worm or whatever they say, you gotta look at the shit that he's saying and say, damn. Like, 1 in 5 kids is obese. Yeah. You know, the stuff that they're putting in, the food is terrible.

Zach Maslaney:

Like, my parents didn't even know that Kraft Mac and Cheese is different in the UK. They didn't know that. You know? So I wanna start getting into that kind of stuff. And if I have to run for, like, a local board or something like that, I'm gonna do it.

Zach Maslaney:

So I'm announcing right now. I'm running for something. I don't know what it is. But locally, though heard

Drew Beech:

it now. Yeah. With you on the show, man.

Zach Maslaney:

Yeah. Locally, though, all you administrators there, get your shit together because I'm coming for you. Everybody who's taken money from, like, you know, soda companies and candy companies, and I hear that kids can go to school and go to a vending machine because I could do when I was a kid. 7:30 AM, rip a Mountain Dew code red and a bag of M and M's and Doritos. And you're like, I don't know why he won't sit still.

Zach Maslaney:

That's what they used to say about me. You know why? Because I was drinking soda at 7:30 AM and now learn algebra. Yeah. Right.

Zach Maslaney:

You know what I mean? That shit needs to go. Yeah. There were

Drew Beech:

days I started with a mountain dew in a big Texas. Yeah. Those are Big Texas. My Dude, a big Texas. A champ.

Zach Maslaney:

Yeah. In in in high school, they're supposed you're supposed to be feeding people. They should do they have enough money where every morning they could have fruit bowls and yogurts and shit like that where people could come in. I mean, literally, it's just like what you get at the hotel. And they just had when you have a hotel breakfast for kids have hash browns, eggs, because, look, a lot of kids can't afford it.

Zach Maslaney:

My wife is a teacher. She shows up to school, and a kid comes to school. He's 9 years old. He's got a bag of Doritos for breakfast.

Drew Beech:

Mention the the the lunches they serve at the at the my my kids' school. It's fucking disco. I wouldn't let in touch with a 10 foot pole.

Zach Maslaney:

Yeah. It's gross. So I I could talk about this for hours. I know I don't wanna go on forever, but That's

Joey Rosen:

part that's part part 2. We're gonna bring it back to part 2. All your campaigns episodes. Exactly. We fully endorse your campaign.

Zach Maslaney:

Nice. Thank you, guys. I'm endorsed by fuel hunt. That's all I need.

Drew Beech:

By fuel hunt. Yeah.

Zach Maslaney:

Dude, we could do it, bro. I'm saying. You know? The and and just serious note, it does mean

Joey Rosen:

in your cabinet. Yeah. Exactly.

Drew Beech:

Cabinet, bro.

Zach Maslaney:

Yeah. I'm appointing you guys. Listen.

Joey Rosen:

Any seat, as long as I can work hard,

Drew Beech:

put me in any seat.

Zach Maslaney:

Exactly. When the when the like minds, you know, work together, dude, there's nothing we can't accomplish really. I tell

Drew Beech:

you. Absolutely,

Joey Rosen:

man. Absolutely.

Zach Maslaney:

Absolutely. But thank you guys again, man. Appreciate it.

Joey Rosen:

Yeah. Thank you, man.

Zach Maslaney:

Thank you.

Joey Rosen:

This this was great. I'll leave the few with a reminder. Always choose hard work over handouts. Always choose effort over entitlement. Remember, no one owns you.

Joey Rosen:

No one owes you. You're one of the few. Now let's hunt science.