Golf Wars: YouTube Golf vs. PGA, TGL, Tiger's Next Move, and LIV Money Wars

Join us for the first ever episode of the Golf Nuts Video Podcast, where hosts Brian, Josh, and PB dive into the exploding world of golf leagues, from the PGA and LIV money wars to the rise of YouTube golf. We explore the impact of Tiger Woods on the Champions Tour, the evolution of golf entertainment, and the future of the sport. Tune in for hot takes, gear talk, and a look at the most underrated YouTube golfers. Don't miss out on the latest in golf news and insights! --JOIN THE GOLF WORLD GROUP CHAT--

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Brian Harstine

A passionate player and creator, Brian lives deep in all things golf, bringing the game’s most relatable conversations to the channel—on the course and behind the mic. A former junior tour standout with more than a few scholarship offers, he shifted into a career as an award-winning film producer/director before spending the last nine years leading innovation in financial technology. Brian mixes business insight with a 2-(sometimes 4) handicap, diving into gear, pros, courses, culture, and everything that makes golf addictive.

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Josh Lynn

That big swing energy part of the team, and a strong +/- 7 handicap killer in a low key money game. He is the natural and sometimes odd voice of the modern golf fan; From Youtube's latest, to gear talk to course stories and the chaos of weekend rounds, Josh brings perspective, humor, and personality to the Golf Nuts crew.

Host

Patrick Baird (PB)

By day, Patrick lives in the world of venture, but he found his second calling as a true golf nut. An enthusiast rocking one of the best 7 Handicaps, who loves the heart and tradition of the game, helping shape the show’s signature style with quick takes, thoughtful analysis, and a competitor’s mindset. His perspective brings balance and depth from gear and culture to the guts of the game itself.

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Brian Harstine (00:13)
Welcome, welcome to the first episode of the Golf Nuts podcast. We've got Patrick, Josh, I'm Brian. I'm gonna read off today's run of show and then we're gonna dive in. You guys ready?

PB (00:13)
Welcome. Welcome to the first episode of the Golf Nest Podcast. We've got Patrick, Josh, Brian. I'm going read off today's run of show and we're going to dive in. You ready?

Josh Lynn (00:13)
Welcome welcome to the first episode of the Wild Nets Podcasts. We've got Patrick, Josh, Brian, I'm going read off today's part of show and then we're going to dive in.

Let's do it. Let's jump in boys. Alright so today we're going to talk about TPL, have a golf

PB (00:25)
Let's do it. Alright, so today we're going to talk about TGL, the Inter-Golf

Brian Harstine (00:27)
Alright, so today we're going to talk about TGL, the indoor golf

Josh Lynn (00:32)
and lives and money last year to golf Right potentially champion's tour and what's going on And then

Brian Harstine (00:32)
and Liv's money wars where they ended last year, ⁓ YouTube golf's explosion, how that's fitting into this whole world right now, Tiger potentially changing the champion's tour and what's going on in his world right now. It seems to be a hot button topic.

PB (00:32)
and the money wars where they ended last year ⁓ YouTube golfs explosion how that's fitting into this whole world right Tiger potentially changing the champion of store and what's going on in this world right now? What seems to be a hot fucking topic

Brian Harstine (00:47)
And then we're gonna wrap up with a hot take speed round. So ⁓ Patrick, you wanna lead us off?

PB (00:47)
and then we're gonna wrap up with a hot take speed round so ⁓ Patrick lead us off with the dome collapse. Yeah Yeah, so

Josh Lynn (00:48)
we're wrap up with a round so Patrick you want to lead us off with the dome collapse. Yeah. so

Brian Harstine (00:57)
Yeah.

Josh Lynn (00:58)
November 2023, first ball started at the TBL League. Temporary power failure system caused the dome of the Snowfy Center down in Florida to deflate. So a little over $2 million in damage. That's way to be, but I think more damage than what the time was

PB (00:58)
November, 2023, this was the first false start of the TGL league. Um, was a temporary power failure system that caused the dome of the SoFi center down in Florida to, um, deflate. a little over 2 million bucks in damage, uh, was what it was estimated to be, but think more damaging to what at the time was an early,

Brian Harstine (01:14)
but I think more damage.

Josh Lynn (01:19)
stage lead. It kind

PB (01:18)
early stage league. was kind

Brian Harstine (01:19)
stage lead that was kind of

Josh Lynn (01:20)
slapped together.

PB (01:20)
slapped together,

Brian Harstine (01:20)
slapped together,

probably not any kind of, just slapped together

PB (01:21)
probably not even kind of just slapped together to

Brian Harstine (01:24)
or offset or counterbalance, whatever you want to call it, LIV,

Josh Lynn (01:24)
or offset or counterbalance with.

PB (01:23)
Compete or offset or counterbalance, whatever you want to call it,

Brian Harstine (01:27)
you know, was just kind of kneecapped from the get

Josh Lynn (01:27)
It was just kind of, yeah.

PB (01:27)
It was just kind of Kneecapped from the get

Brian Harstine (01:30)
Yeah. All things considered, the tech inside, I think, spared most of the damage, but the biggest delay was just, they pushed back the start, the starting season by a year. Yeah. That was, that was pretty huge. Yeah. Pushing it back by a year gave Liv a little bit of room to breathe. Um, but also probably gave TGL the opportunity to sort of rebuild, rebrand a few things that they were working on internally. Last year's season was really good though.

Josh Lynn (01:30)
Yeah, all things considered. Push back to start. season by. that was pretty.

PB (01:30)
All things considered, the tech inside I think was spared most of the damage, but the big play was just it pushed back the the starting season by a That was, was

⁓ But also probably keep you know the opportunity.

Josh Lynn (01:47)
but also like getting the idea of a...

PB (01:52)
Last year's season was really good.

Josh Lynn (01:53)
Last year's season was really good though.

Brian Harstine (01:55)
⁓ It started off kind of rocky. We didn't know what was happening. It's just like any startup. They're trying to find their, as you say, product market

PB (01:56)
It started off kind of rough, but you know what was happening? like these startups are trying to find their product market

Josh Lynn (01:56)
Started off kind of rocky. Didn't know what was happening. They were kind of following their, as you say, product market.

Brian Harstine (02:03)
I tuned into a good amount of them. I actually recorded most of them. So my viewer experience was

PB (02:03)
I tuned into a good amount of them, actually reported most of them. So my viewer experience

Josh Lynn (02:03)
know, they tuned into a good amount of that. Actually, the whole business, some of my viewer experience was

Brian Harstine (02:08)
almost that of YouTube, where I recorded them, played them back during

PB (02:08)
of almost that of YouTube where I recorded them, played them back during

Josh Lynn (02:08)
out of YouTube. I recorded them, played them back to work,

Brian Harstine (02:12)
to catch up on different moments rather than just tuning in

PB (02:12)
tried to catch up on different moments rather than just tuning in LIV.

Josh Lynn (02:12)
tried to catch up on different topics rather than just tuning in

Brian Harstine (02:16)
Their deal with ESPN

PB (02:16)
You their deal with ESPN definitely

Josh Lynn (02:16)
know, their deal with ESPN.

Brian Harstine (02:17)
definitely helps.

Josh Lynn (02:18)
It was interesting to watch

Brian Harstine (02:18)
It was interesting though watching this because of

PB (02:18)
It was interesting though

Josh Lynn (02:21)
you know, they're definitely finding what around mid season and change the

Brian Harstine (02:21)
hosts, know, they're definitely finding where they fit. But around mid-season, they kind of found that, they changed some rules,

PB (02:21)
the hosts you know, they're definitely finding around midseason Josh you watch some this as well. Yeah, so

Josh Lynn (02:29)
right? Yeah, the TGL, mean, let's look at the good and bad here boys. And so Tiger's name was named that some of the big guys that they have there is the draw to it.

Brian Harstine (02:28)
Josh, you watched some of this as well.

So obviously.

is the draw to it.

Josh Lynn (02:40)
that one thing that I like about the TGL is you got guys like

PB (02:44)
Zander, who you find that is a personality that I've never seen before when he's out on the course. And that's what I love about what we'll talk about later on with you, but with the PGA, it's just versus these other formats out there. The other formats are so much more compelling and understanding to me to be able to understand who these guys are from a personality perspective that we've never gotten before.

Josh Lynn (02:44)
Xander who you finally got to see a personality that I've never seen before when he's out on the course. And that's what I love about what we'll talk about later on with YouTube golf, but with the PGA tour, frankly, it's just versus these other formats out there. The other formats are so much more compelling and entertaining to me to be able to understand who these guys are from a personality perspective that we've never gotten before.

And I think that we started to do it when they mic'd

PB (03:09)
And I think that we started to do it when they might.

Josh Lynn (03:11)
up, what was it called when they had Tiger versus Phil and in the big challenge, the match.

PB (03:11)
What was it called? match.

Brian Harstine (03:16)
The capital

one is the match and now they've kind of switched that off of some of those guys and they did a Yeah, which I missed I actually have to go back and watch that online

PB (03:18)
Now the testers. They ran the skins game over Thanksgiving this year. I was going to talk to you guys about that during the fast take later on though. The skins game was such a failure. the first time in 17 years. We're at like 18 million dollars.

Josh Lynn (03:27)
I was going to talk to you guys about that during the fast take later on that the skins game was such a failure for the first time in 17 years. bring it back.

Brian Harstine (03:31)
This game was such a failure. For the first time on Saturday...

That's wild! Seriously.

Josh Lynn (03:37)
Yeah, but we bring it back for the first time in 17 years. Nobody knows who it is. I mean, I want to ask the audience here, please subscribe, comment on the side because did y'all know about that? The skins game was happening. It launched at 9 AM Eastern time on Friday, the day after Thanksgiving.

PB (03:41)
I want to ask the audience here, subscribe, comment, because did you all know about it was happening? It launched at 9 p.m. Eastern Time on Friday, the day after Thanksgiving

on Prime. Nobody knew that it was happening. was zero marketing budget for it. And yes, if you knew that it was happening, it was a dull experience. think that the host tried to do the best job keeping it alive.

Josh Lynn (03:54)
on prime television, Amazon Prime, nobody knew that it was happening. There was zero marketing budget void. And yes, if you knew that it was happening, it was a dull experience. I think that the host tried to do the best job keeping it alive, but

Brian Harstine (04:01)
Okay. Look. It was a dull experience. think the host tried to do the best job.

But nobody knew what was happening. was.

Josh Lynn (04:10)
nobody knew what was happening. They launched at 6 a.m. Western

PB (04:10)
Nobody knew what was happening. It lost its sense of Western

wind it back in. This is a real interesting topic. It does show all the different products that are being called around. TGL, said, Grass League is this part three, high sticks type deal. YouTube's got their own internet invitational, which has a couple of million dollars on the line for those creators. then...

Brian Harstine (04:14)
wind it back in because this is a really interesting topic It does show all the different products that are being pulled around golf, TGL Like I said, the grass league is this par three high stakes type deal YouTube's got their own You internet invitational which has a couple million dollars on on the line for those creators and then you know here we've got 18 million I didn't even know it was that much for

Josh Lynn (04:17)
to show all the different.

Like I said, the graphics league is this part three, we have high stakes type deal. YouTube's got their own internet invitational, which has a couple million dollars on the line for those creators. You know, 18 million people know that much for

PB (04:35)
You know, here we've got 18 million. didn't know that much for

Brian Harstine (04:39)
this skins game, this one-off deal. And TGL's prizes were ⁓ pretty significant for first, second, and third. I think there was 20 million. I mean, clearly, the prize draws the pros. The pros are supposed to draw the audience. But without marketing, it just doesn't show up. TGL did marketing extremely well. I will say that. They were everywhere. ⁓

Josh Lynn (04:39)
this skins game, this one-off deal. TGL's prices were pretty significant for first, second, and third. I think there's 20 million. I mean, clearly the price draws the pros.

PB (04:39)
this skins game, this one-off deal. TGL's prizes were pretty significant for first, second, and third. I think it was 20 million. I mean, clearly, the prize draws the pros, the pros are supposed to draw the audience, but without marketing, it just doesn't show up. TGL did marketing extremely well, and we'll say that. They were everywhere. Again, though, of course, having 76 years to play the game, skins games should be a good thing.

Josh Lynn (04:51)
Again, the first time in 17 years to bring it back. The skins game should be an absolute juggernaut

for everybody to tune in just like a Cowboys playing on the Thanksgiving Day. And yet I think it was an absolute failure this year.

PB (05:05)
Thank you.

And yet, absolutely. ⁓

Brian Harstine (05:12)
Yeah.

Josh Lynn (05:12)
I'm not going to dispute

PB (05:12)
I'm not going to dispute

Josh Lynn (05:13)
that. Look, ultimate formats and

PB (05:13)
that. mean, look, alternate formats, think now that obviously with TGL,

the PGA

kind of getting it together. They kind of

jumped out of the gate, got Liv and caught off guard.

Have you guys read Phil or I'm sorry, not Phil, Alan Ship, not clear, couple of years ago, Liv and Let Die, L-I-V, Liv and Let Die.

Josh Lynn (05:26)
You guys read, or I'm sorry, not. I would ship not great. L. I. V. LIV and let die.

Brian Harstine (05:26)
You guys read it all.

Josh Lynn (05:36)
It was about the formation of the LIV league and all of the things that fell into place before and all of the whips. ⁓ Or to try that they could have done to at least like bring something together.

PB (05:36)
It was about the formation of the LIV league and all of the things that fell into place before and all of the whiffs from the tour to try that they could have done to nip it in the bud or at least like bring something together and come to

Brian Harstine (05:38)
of the LIV league and all of the things that fell into place before and all of the twists.

to try that they could have done to at least like bring something together

PB (05:55)
some sort of detente before it happened. Very good

Brian Harstine (05:56)
and very good book.

Josh Lynn (05:57)
very good book.

PB (05:58)
back to TGO, it's kind of a mixed

Brian Harstine (05:58)
to T.G., it's kind of a mixed

Josh Lynn (05:58)
It's kind of a mixed

Brian Harstine (06:00)
was the most viewed match. I've got a couple of stats here. The highest rated match was.

Josh Lynn (06:00)
was the most nude. ⁓

PB (06:00)
Tiger was the most viewed match. I've got a couple of stats here. The highest rated match was...

Brian Harstine (06:07)
Peek viewership 1.05 million for Tiger Woods Day of the Year with 2 of TGL.

Josh Lynn (06:07)
PEEG Gearshift 1.05, Tiger World State, 2 TPL,

PB (06:07)
Peek viewership 1.05 million for Tiger Woods debut at week 2 of TGL.

Brian Harstine (06:12)
Average viewership across season 1, 513,000 viewers per match. are 50 regular season matches.

Josh Lynn (06:12)
average gearshift across season 1, over 13,000 viewers per match. are 15 regular season matches.

PB (06:12)
Average viewership across season 1 has 513,000 viewers per match. There's 50 regular season matches.

Brian Harstine (06:21)
Total season audience, 19.3 million.

Josh Lynn (06:21)
Total season audience, 93 million.

PB (06:21)
Total season audience 19.3 million.

Brian Harstine (06:24)
Ratings versus prior year in program, plus 21 % over a comparable time slot. So that's a positive 2. Interestingly, the median viewer age for TGL

Josh Lynn (06:24)
Ratings versus prior EIS program, plus 21 % over time slots. So that's a top of the two. Interestingly, the meat, you were a.

PB (06:24)
Ratings versus prior ESPN programming plus 21 % over comparable time slots. So that's a positive too. Interestingly, median viewer age.

for

TGL was 51.9 years. That's the second youngest among all major sports leagues, only behind the NBA. And then compared to the PGA Tour, TGL viewers are 14 years younger on average than PGA Tour broadcast. Yeah, I mean, that makes sense. It's a completely different product, right? We're living change of engulfing right now. It's not that the sport is changing, how the competitive sport is changing, and that will

Josh Lynn (06:35)
Yeah, ⁓

Brian Harstine (06:37)
51.9 years, the second youngest among all media sports that he's behind the NBA. And then compared to the PGA Tour, PGL viewers are 14 years younger on average than the PGA Tour broadcast. Yeah, I mean that makes sense. It's a completely different product, right? I think we're living this change in golf right now. It's not that the sport is changing, it's not the competitive sport that's changing, and that will

Josh Lynn (07:00)
But these ⁓ different products

Brian Harstine (07:04)
That's the foundation of all of these other products. These other products,

Josh Lynn (07:04)
are starting

PB (07:05)
the founding general of all things.

Brian Harstine (07:08)
I don't think they LIV

PB (07:09)
they don't think they

Brian Harstine (07:10)
without

serious competition. Like the PGA Tour provides a platform for people to strive to be the best in the world. It's got the history

PB (07:10)
serious competence. like the people who are, provides, know, platform for people to strive to be the best in the world, just to have the

Brian Harstine (07:18)
between

all of these major tournaments.

PB (07:19)
all of these major

Brian Harstine (07:20)
But these different products are starting

PB (07:20)
But these different products are starting

to fill gaps in

Brian Harstine (07:23)
to fill gaps in

Josh Lynn (07:24)
fill gaps in entertainment,

PB (07:25)
a PGA Tour event is a very different than tuning into a stadium that TGL

Josh Lynn (07:25)
a PGA Tour event is a very different product than tuning into, you know, a stadium that TGL is.

Brian Harstine (07:25)
PGA Tour event is a very different product than tuning into a stadium that TGL

PB (07:35)
don't think the pros took it seriously. They sat

Josh Lynn (07:34)
initially I don't think the pros took it super seriously. You know, sat

Brian Harstine (07:34)
Initially, don't think the pros took it super seriously. They sat

PB (07:38)
were having fun with it, they said, why not? You're gonna walk away with some money, some themes, this is entertaining. I think the competitive spirit of these guys, it just comes out and you see them

Josh Lynn (07:38)
were having fun with it, they said, why not, like, walk away with some money, some teams, this is entertaining. I think mid-season,

Brian Harstine (07:38)
were having fun with it, they said, why not? We're going to walk away with some money, some teams, this is entertaining. think the competitive spirit of these guys, it just comes out and you see them

Josh Lynn (07:46)
And if spirit and these guys, it just comes out and you see them,

you know, like reeling on putts, know, tripping at each other a little bit. like Josh said, like you get a little bit of the personalities that we're missing in golf today. You know, are dads and grandpas, these guys were characters back in the day. Like what's happening now? They're just so, they're robots, you know, because they're trying to perform at the highest level, break records and as part of winning these tournaments in the PGA than it ever has

Brian Harstine (07:50)
you know, like reeling on putts, know, chirping at each other a little bit. And like Josh said, like you get a little bit of the personalities that we're missing in golf today, you know, that our dads and grandpas were like, man, no, these guys were characters back in the day. Like what's happening now? They're just so, they're robots, you know, because they're trying to perform at the highest level, you know, break records. And it's harder to win these tournaments in the PGA than it ever has been

PB (07:50)
You know, like, reeling on us, know, chirping at each other a little bit. like Josh said, you get a little bit of the personalities that we're missing in today. You know, that our dads and grandpas are like, man, you if these guys were characters back in the day, like, what's happening now? So the robots, you know, because they're trying to perform at the highest level, you know, break records and it's harder to win tournaments in the PGA than it ever has

been in history of the game. You know, so these products,

Brian Harstine (08:16)
in the history of the game. You know, so these products,

Josh Lynn (08:16)
⁓ So these products

Brian Harstine (08:19)
you know, give you a different look at these players. Same with YouTube, right?

PB (08:19)
you give you a different look at the players thing with

Josh Lynn (08:19)
give you a different work.

PB (08:23)
when that, yes, I agree with you. The

four matches in. And that was, wouldn't you know, right when that started to happen, three, four matches in, then we started getting all the tech issues. Cause frankly, you're not going to find a bigger Tiger Woods fan than you truly. But like, why were they not using

Josh Lynn (08:40)
Yeah, so.

PB (08:40)
Yeah, no, so they should use foresight. I think foresight is better, although it's very large and And track

Brian Harstine (08:41)
no, so they should have used foresight I think foresight is better superior indoor although that space is very large and tracks man track man is

PB (08:48)
awesome as well. think they can in the track manager.

Brian Harstine (08:48)
Awesome as well. I think they can dial in a track man there, but they were

Josh Lynn (08:48)
as well. think they can. And they're they were

PB (08:53)
full swing monitors. know Tiger has an ownership stake in

Brian Harstine (08:53)
swing monitors and I know tiger has a ownership stake in

Josh Lynn (08:53)
swing monitors. I know Tiger has a ownership stake and

Brian Harstine (08:58)
their partners on this and look that product could become a foresight. I think it could become a track man. They've just got a long way to go. From a marketing

PB (08:58)
their partners on this. look, that product could become a foresight. I think it would become a track manager.

Josh Lynn (08:58)
their partners on this. And look, product could be a foresight. I think it could become a track band. They've just not a long way to go. Not only are trying to out on my TV and what's trying to become a so-called major

PB (09:06)
Not when you're flaming out on LIV TV and what's trying to become a so-called major sports league.

Brian Harstine (09:16)
they've got some room to grow.

Josh Lynn (09:14)
Do remember when Tiger though missed the green? He was like

PB (09:14)
Not even marketing. There

Josh Lynn (09:18)
82 yards out and he missed the green by 30 yards and everybody was watching it going that doesn't

PB (09:24)
clearly a technical glitch. That man is so dumb. He's best man with the best match game of any period he's ever played

Josh Lynn (09:23)
was clearly a technical glitch there. That man is so die. He's got the best hands, best wedge game of any player that's ever played this

PB (09:32)
Tiger like airmailed a green because Tom Kim told him a wrong number. of a fun one. Look, back to the technology side, Foresight is superior to Indoor and Jumbo Systems. Trackman is superior to Outdoor and

Josh Lynn (09:32)
Tiger airmailed agreeing, but Tom Tim told him a wrong number.

Brian Harstine (09:34)
Airmail.

but that's fun. Like that's more of a fun thing. Look, going back to the technology side, Foresight is superior indoor camera systems. Trackman is superior outdoor radar-based systems.

Josh Lynn (09:43)
foresight is superior.

Trackman is superior.

PB (09:48)
know, Full Swing is coming in and they have an opportunity to do this because they pulled a stage for themselves. But the technology was there.

Brian Harstine (09:48)
Full Swing is coming in and they have an opportunity to do this because they built a stage for themselves. But the technology was lacking

Josh Lynn (09:54)
So the average consumer

Brian Harstine (09:56)
last season. I'm sure this season we're gonna get an

PB (09:56)
last season. I'm sure this season we're going to get

Josh Lynn (09:57)
out there, the viewer that's happening, there are so many options out there right now, more than we've ever had before. Live, YouTube. ⁓

PB (09:59)
a look into what they've done to kind of button that up. Will they be able to take those product improvements and put it into something that the golfer is buying, the average golfer is taking home and using for their simulators? That's going to be big question mark. So the average consumer, there are so many.

Brian Harstine (09:59)
a look into what they've done to kind of button that up, but will they be able to take those product improvements and put it into something that the golfer is buying, the average golfer is taking home and using for their simulators? That's going to be a big question mark.

Josh Lynn (10:22)
TGL PGA tour

right now. I think that we've got so many options. I'm looking at this from the long term perspective and frankly, I don't think the TGL makes it five years from now. I don't think that LIV is going to be what LIV is today. Five years from now. I absolutely not. I stand behind this. We will see a merger of the Platforms come together at the end of the day. The PGA tour is Sears. The PGA tour is

PB (10:24)
I think that we can not just get this from a long-term perspective. I don't think that change is going to happen. don't think that LIV is going to be what LIV is. Do we have a lot to take care that he's going to have to track this for the next couple years? I stand by this. We will see a merger of the technologies coming together. At the of the day, the PGA Tour is here. The PGA Tour is

Brian Harstine (10:37)
do we have a hot take here that he's gonna, we have to track this for the next couple years?

Josh Lynn (10:50)
blockbuster and it is dying and doesn't know that it's dying.

PB (10:51)
a blockbuster. It is dying and doesn't know that it's dying.

Josh Lynn (10:54)
And it is you see it missed out on great opportunities last year, but not allowing Grant Horvath to film himself in the PGA Tour event that he was invited to come play as a content creator. And because of that, that is showing it's too antiquated. The PGA Tour needs to come together and it needs to adapt with the times

PB (10:54)
It is, you see, missed out on great opportunities last year by not allowing Grant Moorback to film himself in the PGA Tour event that he was invited to come play as a content creator. because of that, that is showing it too antiquated. PGA Tour needs to come together and it needs to adapt for the times

Brian Harstine (11:01)
self.

Hot take.

Josh Lynn (11:15)
I'm not saying that it's ever going to go away. PGA Tour will always be there.

PB (11:15)
I'm not saying that it's ever going to go away. PGA Tour will always be

Josh Lynn (11:18)
gonna see right now at Wild Wild West out there.

PB (11:18)
we're going to see right now it's Wild Wild West out there.

Brian Harstine (11:18)
weird things.

Josh Lynn (11:20)
And here's where I'm gonna go back to the stuff that you said a minute ago, Patrick. You said there was what? Half million viewers per ⁓ episode? That's beautiful. And you, all right, so guys, last year we had a major milestone that happened in the PGA Tour.

PB (11:21)
And here's where I'm going to go back to the stuff that you said a minute ago Patrick, you said it was what? Half a million viewers per episode? Average, yep. That's beautiful. you, all right, so guys, last year we had a major milestone that happened in the PGA Tour.

Josh Lynn (11:34)
Rory McRoy completes the Grand Slam.

PB (11:35)
Rory McRoy completes the Grand Slam.

Josh Lynn (11:38)
12.7 million viewers chimed in to watch Rory McRoy do that. This isn't a direct one-to-one comparison.

PB (11:38)
12.7 million viewers turned into Rory McRoy during that. This is in a direct one-to-one comparison.

Brian Harstine (11:38)
12.7 million viewers.

Josh Lynn (11:44)
But how many people watched the internet invitational a

PB (11:44)
But how many people watch the internet invitational?

Brian Harstine (11:48)
Yeah,

Josh Lynn (11:48)
couple

of weeks ago? different audience, and I understand the platforms are different, but 25 million people within the first week tuned in to watch that. So now you're already getting more than twice as many viewers to watch

PB (11:50)
Yeah, I think what he said. Yeah, I think the audience and I understand the platforms are different, but 25 million people within the first week tuned in to watch that. So now you're already getting more than twice as many viewers to

Brian Harstine (11:50)
I tuned into a decent amount of it. In and

Now you're already getting old.

Josh Lynn (12:02)
internet, invitational.

PB (12:03)
internet, invitational. Yeah, actually I have some of those

Brian Harstine (12:04)
Yeah, actually, I have some of those

numbers right

PB (12:06)
numbers right

Brian Harstine (12:07)
These guys have to total views. the first 30 days were one point five to four million, depending on the episode as they released, I think each episode every couple of days and there was like six creators platform. have to bring them all together. Yes. So good, good release. think the first one Bob does sports released the second one, Brian Bros.

PB (12:07)
You're just to have to adapt it. Total the first few days.

Josh Lynn (12:07)
These guys have to adapt to the times. This is on various different creators platforms. You have to bring them all together, but it's over 25 million views.

PB (12:13)
They released I think a episode every couple days. This is on various different creators platforms. You have to bring them all together. it's super 25 minute videos. I think the first one, Bobna Sports released the second one, Brian Bros.

Brian Harstine (12:30)
think they released another one. Barstool Sports. This is the Barstool Sports guys. They owned it. You know, that's a whole different subject that we'll cover later. the

PB (12:30)
think they released another one. Barstool Sports. isn't the Barstool Sports guys. They owned it. You know, that's a whole different subject that we'll cover later.

Josh Lynn (12:32)
Barstool sports guys, they owned

it. They did it in partnership with Bob Desport said, They were two.

PB (12:41)
In partnership with Bob des storm sports it was mainly those two I

Brian Harstine (12:43)
It was mainly those two, that's right, I believe. ⁓

I don't know the inner workings of it, anyway, look, from a viewership standpoint, it was 10 to 20 times the ESPN levels of

PB (12:46)
don't know that you're working something but anyway look from a viewership standpoint It was 10 to 20 times the ESPN levels of PG

Josh Lynn (12:48)
Anyway, look, from a viewership standpoint, it was 10 to 20 times the ESPN levels of TGL.

Brian Harstine (12:55)
this says.

PB (12:55)
damn what this says so what are the marketing? not not to a chance to know. I you got a problem. It's easy to realize. I now, it's just for me, it's already one to think about. But if YouTube is...

Josh Lynn (12:55)
this is. So where did the marketing dollars go from here? And it's not TGL. And think about how much TGL is paying right now versus for me, who's already won? You'll have to think about it from this perspective. YouTube has already

won the battle because they pay zero dollars for their content. The creators are the ones spending.

PB (13:14)
The platform if you're speaking of the platform, yeah, obviously the platform has How much money the PGA 2 would lose last year 440 million

Brian Harstine (13:15)
The platform, if you're speaking about the platform, yeah, obviously the platform has, that's the whole design of their business model. much money did the PGA tour lose last year? 440 million versus

Josh Lynn (13:18)
Yeah, it costs millions of dollars for LIV how much money did the PGA to lose last year?

Brian Harstine (13:27)
LIV was what, like 1.1 billion. Yeah.

Josh Lynn (13:28)
$1.1 billion losses. How much did YouTube lose last year in creating golf content?

Brian Harstine (13:34)
Now,

PB (13:34)
Now, wait, I want to point something else out. mean, that's an interesting I mean, some people have heard the whole growth of Amazon and other companies and how that's a design business model. You want to report a loss, you want to build the way the balance sheet is functioning so that the profit margin gets recycled back into the product itself. not saying that that's what Lid is doing or that that's what PG is doing, but I don't think we have full visibility into what those numbers actually mean.

Brian Harstine (13:34)
wait, I want to point something else out. mean, that's an interesting number, mean, some people have heard the whole growth of Amazon and other companies and how that's a designed business model. You want to report a loss, you want to build the way the balance sheet is functioning so that the profit margin gets recycled back into the product itself. I'm not saying that that's what Liv is doing or that that's what PG is doing, but I don't think we have full visibility into what those numbers actually mean.

Josh Lynn (13:42)
That's a design, you want to report a loss, you want to build the way the is functioning so that the profit margin gets recycled back into the product itself. I'm not saying that that's what LIV is doing, or that that's what PGA is doing, but I don't think we have to hold this ability into what this company actually means.

But those are still real numbers that those organizations are having to pay out. And again, YouTube's not having to pay any of it.

PB (14:02)
But those are still real numbers that those organizations are having to out and YouTube's not having to pay any of that.

Josh Lynn (14:08)
And that's where, as we move forward in the future, there has to be a congruence of these Leagues coming together. We're on the topic of numbers of money. Is this profitable? Here we just heard us a couple of crazy hot takes from Josh. I think I

PB (14:08)
And that's where as we move forward in the future, there has to be a congruence of these Leagues coming together. We're on the topic of numbers of money. Is this profitable? it going to last? And here we just heard us a couple of crazy hot takes from Josh. I think- I don't think it's crazy.

Brian Harstine (14:08)
square

So then we're on the topic of numbers, of money, of is this profitable, is it gonna last? And here we just heard us a couple of crazy hot takes from Josh. I think-

Josh Lynn (14:26)
agree

PB (14:26)
I tend to agree

Josh Lynn (14:27)
that we have five years and here's one. Okay, urgency of future that takes one. Tiger's gonna be done. Maybe he's making the major survey.

PB (14:27)
that TGL is not going to be around in five years and here's why. It's a convergence of a few different things. One, Tiger's going to be done. Maybe he's making the major circuit and he's coming out to Augusta every year. I hear that. He's already committed to show up to all the JupiterLinks matches even if he's not playing. He's committed to coming out this season.

Josh Lynn (14:37)
I mean that it's his brother. Committed to show up early matches not playing. He's a committed ghost.

Brian Harstine (14:37)
I mean it's his product does he not show up? Host?

PB (14:47)
Tiger walking in the door maybe gets you

Josh Lynn (14:47)
I walk in the door.

PB (14:49)
half another season worth of your average viewership.

Josh Lynn (14:49)
another season with your average viewership.

PB (14:52)
So you got the tiger factor, fun setting

Josh Lynn (14:52)
So you have the tiger factor, sun setting,

PB (14:55)
and going back to the shitty technology guys, TGL was engineered draw in gamblers. And how can you, how can you bet on something that Tommy Fleetwood, who's one of the world's ball strikers is going to leave a wedge that he could usually hit outside with

Josh Lynn (14:55)
and going back to the shitty technology, guys, TDL was supposed to engineered draw in gamblers. And how can you bet on something that Tommy Fleetwood, who's one of the world's best ball strikers, is going to leave a wedge that he could usually hit outside with?

Brian Harstine (15:03)
Hmm. How can you bet on something that Holly Fleetwood, who's one the world's best ball strikers, is going to leave a wedge that he usually hit outside with

his eyes closed 30 yards short of

PB (15:15)
his eyes closed 30 yards short of a grid.

Josh Lynn (15:18)
The whole viewership experience

Brian Harstine (15:18)
I think he actually did

PB (15:20)
I

Brian Harstine (15:20)
do it with his eyes closed on YouTube. I think that was like an actual thing.

Josh Lynn (15:20)
to me is

PB (15:37)
there's something about me,

Josh Lynn (15:23)
I'm watching these guys hit into a screen if I want to go do that I'll go to the hell I'd rather go to Topgolf and go watch players hit into Topgolf. I don't I just don't like the format It doesn't make any sense to me and it's too artificially Manufactured when you see the way that they're in interacting. I think there's something about being

Brian Harstine (15:41)
something about being

when I chime in to the master's

Josh Lynn (15:43)
When I chime into the masters every year, it's to watch

PB (15:43)
when I chime in to the math booth every year, it's too much.

Josh Lynn (15:47)
how the course also looks. Think about number 16 at the masters. Think about the par three contest. It's always perfect. The viewership, even if you're an amateur, a casual fan watching this board periodically, you get to see the landscape. were watching before we started this, a little bit of the guys that were playing on YouTube playing in the Bahamas and you could see it all on the background.

Brian Harstine (15:47)
now the course also works. Think about year 16 at the passage. Think about the artfully content. It's always perfect. Even if you're an amateur, a casual fan watching this board, periodically you get to see the landscape. We were watching before we started this. A little bit of the guys that were playing on YouTube looking into the harvest. can see it all on the background.

PB (15:47)
how the course also looks. Think about number 16 in the master. Think about the par three contest. It's always perfect. The viewership, even if you're an amateur and casual fan watching this board, periodically you need to see the landscape. We were watching before we started this, a little bit of the guys that were playing on YouTube playing in the Bahamas and you could see it all on the background.

Brian Harstine (16:11)
I don't even watch these guys hitting to a...

Josh Lynn (16:11)
I don't want to watch these guys hit into a screen.

PB (16:11)
I wanna watch these guys hitting to a screen. I think the main difference.

Brian Harstine (16:14)
I think the main difference between

some of these products,

you look at YouTube, you're following like shot for shot. You're hearing them talk to each other, chirp. I mean, it's a very intimate product in that way. And you get to follow that whole match if you want On the PGA Tour, know, obviously the broadcast, you're jumping around between 125, 150 of the best players in the world until the cut happens.

PB (16:17)
you look at YouTube, you're following like shoppers. You're hearing them talk to you. It's either your incident product or your highway. You need to follow that whole match. On the PGA Tour video, the broadcast can jump in around between 125, of the best players in the world until the cut happens.

Josh Lynn (16:17)
you look at YouTube, you're probably like, you're hearing these dogs.

product that way. ⁓

Brian Harstine (16:36)
And you're getting highlights.

PB (16:36)
And you're getting highlights.

Brian Harstine (16:38)
this putt fell, that putt fell, that putt fell. a couple holes in one here and there, some wild shots into par fives, but it's very disconnected, right?

PB (16:38)
putt fell, that putt fell, that putt know, a couple holes in one here and there, some wild, you know, shots in the par-fives. It's very disconnected. You lose

Josh Lynn (16:46)
That you lose the

PB (16:48)
the

Josh Lynn (16:48)
drama when you watch a tournament in real time versus for me if I'm watching YouTube.

PB (16:48)
drama when you watch it in real time. Of course, it's for real, if I'm not mistaken. I'm plugged in whole time. can see the... I mean, within the car, within the car, it's even getting each other involved.

Josh Lynn (16:53)
I'm plugged in the whole time. get to see the filming within the cart in between shots. I get to see them chirp at each other while they're

playing around. Phil Bickleson comes in and he's changing up the yardage on somebody's.

Brian Harstine (17:03)
And that's where shenanigans.

PB (17:05)
changing up the knowledge on some

Josh Lynn (17:07)
Shenanigans happen, but these guys are also friends. It's a, and it's, yes, it's a, ⁓ it's an engineer drama.

PB (17:08)
Shenanigans happen. But these guys are also friends. Yes, it's ⁓ a... It's interesting drama. But there's friendly competitions

Brian Harstine (17:11)
Yeah. ⁓

But there's nothing, see that's not competition. Those are friendly competitions for

PB (17:19)
for

Brian Harstine (17:19)
pride. Maybe for a couple bucks or something like that.

PB (17:19)
pride, maybe for a couple bucks or something like that. Here's a hot take for you.

Josh Lynn (17:20)
Maybe for a couple bucks or something like that. Here's an intake for you.

I'll be it not one that says we will survive beyond five years because I think I would not bet against that. Tiger doesn't play this. Tiger is not going to have stamina. Play actual majors in that year. I understand that. They bring in Bryson.

PB (17:24)
Albeit not one that says that TGL will survive beyond five years because I think I would not bet against that Tiger doesn't play this year Tiger's not gonna have the stamina if he wants to play actual majors next year He's not gonna have the stamina to do TGL in the offseason They bring in Bryson

Brian Harstine (17:35)
He's not going to stay on the DL in the offseason. They bring in Bryson.

Josh Lynn (17:41)
They give him a team. That's the beginning of the.

PB (17:42)
They give him a team That's the beginning of the

Brian Harstine (17:41)
They give him a team. That's the beginning of the reunion.

PB (17:45)
reunification ⁓

Josh Lynn (17:46)
You think that LIV would allow Bryson to come in? think that, I think

Brian Harstine (17:47)
I mean, now we're talking predictions and that is quite a prediction to throw down.

PB (17:51)
I think

after another full year where they're losing billions of dollars, think that Yasser is going to be compelled to eventually come to the table and stop Lighting money on fire. So again, we've already talked about my hot date. I don't think TGL survives. don't think Lips survives, but I think that there's something we're to pull in for our scrooges. TGL? Yeah. I couldn't tell you. It's coming up though, right?

Josh Lynn (17:53)
that Yasser is going to be held to eventually cut the table. So again, we've already talked about my hot tape days, ended the day. don't think TGL survives.

Brian Harstine (18:00)
Think that y'all.

Josh Lynn (18:12)
I don't think Liv survives, but I think that there's something where we're to pull from all of these. But it's

Brian Harstine (18:14)
Do you guys know when the first match is? Yeah December

Josh Lynn (18:20)
the same.

PB (18:21)
December 28th. we are all three having golfing fans here. If Bryson is not on Liv, it leaves. If Tiger's not on the PGA Tour anymore, because he might start playing some champions tournaments.

Brian Harstine (18:21)
28 December 28

Josh Lynn (18:23)
So we are all three avid golfing fans here. If Bryson is not on Liv, it leaves. If Tiger's not on the PGA tour anymore, because he might start playing some champions tournaments.

Brian Harstine (18:27)
if Bryson is not on loop.

But Tiger is not on the PTA tour anymore because he might start playing some champions tournaments.

the viewership of the Diamond 20 know if this lift start losing?

Josh Lynn (18:39)
Where does the viewer should go and how much money then does Liv start losing and how much money does PGA?

PB (18:39)
Where does the viewership go and how much money then does Liv start losing and how much money does trade?

Josh Lynn (18:45)
honestly, I think

PB (18:45)
I'm saying is I think

that there's a path and let's say it's gonna happen. I'm saying there's a path for Hey behind the scenes and back channeling to say, Hey, we need to start bringing this together and Where do we LIV doesn't want to completely just come? Hat in hand and lose face. Okay. Here's what we're going to do phase one Bryson brings over a team of LIV guys to inject some energy into TGL, which is going to be a dying product by then

Josh Lynn (18:46)
that there is a path. There's a path for, hey, behind the scenes, there's a back channeling. So, hey, we need to start bringing this together and where do we go? We can just add a hand and lose face. Okay, here's what we're gonna do.

Brian Harstine (18:51)
Hey, behind the scenes and back paneling to say, hey, we need to start bringing this together and. Where do we do it? How do we do it? Come out in hand and lose face. Here's what we're going to do. Phase one, Bryson brings over the team to LIV guys that inject the energy and PGL, which is to be a product.

Josh Lynn (19:04)
I use one price and brings over a team of LIV guys to energy and TGL, which is going to be a product.

then obviously, TGL, TGA, TGL also G-Circuit, the I'm going to up.

Brian Harstine (19:13)
then obviously, you know, PGA, TGL also in essence, the strategic sports group.

PB (19:13)
And then obviously the TGL PGA is TGL also SSG strategic sports group

Brian Harstine (19:20)
going to look that up while you're talking here.

Josh Lynn (19:22)
just saying that that could be one of right.

PB (19:22)
just saying that that could be a pest. Step one, have Bryson

Brian Harstine (19:21)
I'm just saying that that could be a problem. One, have to some

PB (19:24)
and some LIV guys come, maybe not the controversial ones, but some LIV guys come to play and they have a TGL team for season.

Brian Harstine (19:24)
good guys, maybe not the controversial ones, but the LIV guys come to play and they have a team, a team per season, and maybe at end of that year, they come and play Tiger's tournament at the hero. And then things start to cool off and come together for me. I don't know, just Does this all break? All right.

Josh Lynn (19:24)
Blimp guys come, maybe not the controversial, but the Blimp guys come to play and they're gonna have a team for the season. And maybe at end of that year, they come and play.

PB (19:32)
and maybe at the end of that year they come and play Tiger's Tournament as a hero and then things start to cool off and come together from there. I don't know, a

Josh Lynn (19:39)
then things start to cool off. Does this all break when you can start getting world

ranking points from all the various

Brian Harstine (19:49)
don't think you're ever gonna get world ranking points for anything but professional tours.

Josh Lynn (19:54)
But Liv,

Brian Harstine (19:54)
Asian tour,

Josh Lynn (19:59)
what I'm saying. does Liv and PGA stop the fight and let

Brian Harstine (19:56)
PGA tour. Liv's been trying to get it, we all know that.

PB (19:57)
This is

think that's why the beginning of the end is already started for

Brian Harstine (20:06)
the end is already started.

PB (20:08)
going into 72 holes for, you know, four rounds to try to get qualification for

Brian Harstine (20:07)
They're thinking about going into 72 whole four, know, four rounds to try to get qualification for

Josh Lynn (20:07)
about going into 72 holes for four rounds to try to get all the patients for

PB (20:14)
I think it's just one thing after another. It's sort of like when you're building a company and you're trying to raise

Brian Harstine (20:14)
it's just going to be one thing after another. It's sort of like when you're building a company and you're trying to raise

Josh Lynn (20:14)
it's just going to be one thing after another. It's sort of like when you're building a company and you're trying to raise

PB (20:20)
people you're raising from this well, we want to see you have customers Okay, you go get customers and then the goal post moves. They say well we need to see you

Brian Harstine (20:20)
people you're raising from, they say, well, we want to see you have customers first. Okay, you go get customers. And then the goalpost moves. say, well, we need to see you

Josh Lynn (20:21)
the people you're raising from, they say, well, we want to see you have customers. You go get customers and then they go post them up. say, well, we need to see you have

PB (20:28)
know 100 200 grand in revenue a million in revenue and the goal post moves and it's like actually going to do this are they actually you give them right

Brian Harstine (20:28)
a million in revenue, and then the goalpost moves. And it's like, they actually going to invest? Are they actually going to give them world ranking points?

Josh Lynn (20:28)
100, 200, 300, a million in revenue and the gold post moves. And it's like, they actually going to invest? they actually going give them more ranking points?

the players on LIV are some of best in the world, but are the players that are on LIV, are they becoming worse players overall in that format than being on the PGA2 or playing the 72 holes?

PB (20:42)
But are they becoming worse winners overall in terms of the of data that to the point that we to control?

yes, they are not being tested in the same

Josh Lynn (20:51)
yes, they are not being tested in the same

Brian Harstine (20:51)
they are not being tested in the same

PB (20:54)
the you know, the

Josh Lynn (20:53)
the shorter

Brian Harstine (20:53)
the shorter

format also,

PB (20:57)
it reduces the amount of

Josh Lynn (20:57)
reduces the amount of

Brian Harstine (20:58)
reduces the amount of endurance

Josh Lynn (20:59)
endurance they

PB (20:59)
Endurance they have when they come back to a major event they still can also not getting those courses running as Yeah, I think there's a lot of variables.

Brian Harstine (20:59)
they have when they come back to a major event they still can

Josh Lynn (21:00)
have when they come back to a major event, they still can they're also not getting as forceful running tests. Yeah. I think there's a lot of things.

Brian Harstine (21:08)
They're flying all over the world and their bodies have to adjust. know, when the PGA tour runs different, they run different swings, like the West coast swing. You get everybody over to the West coast, their bodies adjust. You can get on the time zone. Imagine flying in from Asia and then playing in Dallas

PB (21:08)
They're flying all over the world and their bodies have to adjust You know when the PGT tour runs different they bring different swings like the West Coast swing you get everybody over to the West Coast their bodies adjust you get on the time zone imagine flying in from Asia and then playing in Dallas

Brian Harstine (21:27)
and, know, saying, ⁓ I'm.

PB (21:27)
in you know saying i'm monday

tuesday breakfast round never mind partying yeah but you also have the gaff like

Josh Lynn (21:30)
But you also have the guys like Brits Keppke who in 2018-2019

Brian Harstine (21:31)
Yeah.

Josh Lynn (21:35)
was on a world record pace.

PB (21:36)
Yes

Josh Lynn (21:38)
And then he goes to LIV and he's his own quote this last year was he worked himself off the team for the writer cup. He knows that he's not good enough to be on the team right now.

and I think that's a direct.

did that happen from the format of LIV or did that happen from him getting complacent and not pushing himself the way that he was before being on the PGA

Brian Harstine (21:50)
Did that happen?

PB (21:58)
I think that you're talking about like motivation and money and yeah. I

Brian Harstine (21:58)
as a rabbit all right there yeah so look look that back to what

Josh Lynn (22:03)
He gave somebody what did he sign $450 million upfront?

Brian Harstine (22:07)
I don't know. We'll look it up. and their relationship to Strategic Sports Group or PGA. So here's what I've found out. TGL was launched in partnership with the PGA Tour. So it's a co-branded product.

PB (22:07)
remember. Well, I will look it up. TGL and their relationship to strategic sports group or PGA. So here's what I found out. TGL was launched in partnership with the PGA tour. I say is a co-branded

Josh Lynn (22:08)
Well, I will go. TGL and their relationship to strategic sports group or PGA. here's what I found out. TGL was launched in partnership with the PGA 20. So it's a co-branded product.

PB (22:21)
Over a

hundred million, by the way, was the Brooks Capcom number. Over a hundred.

Brian Harstine (22:24)
over

Josh Lynn (22:24)
over 100.

PB (22:26)
remains a separate league and entity, run by Tomorrow Sports in its ownership structure and investors. It's not structurally identical to the PGA Tour ownership. And in fact, the team structure to be brought into this.

Brian Harstine (22:25)
TGL remains separate, a separate league and entity run by Tomorrow Sports in its own ownership structure and investors. It's not structurally identical to the PGH Tour ownership. And in fact, the team structure that they brought into this

Josh Lynn (22:26)
remains separate separate league and entity run by tomorrow sports and its own ownership structure and investors. It's not structurally identical to the TGL ownership and in fact the team structure they brought into this

has their own ownership of each team. So you've had these like, you the guy that owns home team came in and is the owner

Brian Harstine (22:40)
has their own ownerships of each team. So you've had these like, you the guy that owns Home Depot ⁓ came in and is the owner.

PB (22:40)
has their own ownership of each team. So you've had these like, you the guy that owns Home Depot came in and is the owner

Brian Harstine (22:48)
or lead of a team. had the good, good sports guys came in and bought a part of a team. So there's their own different segments, which are very similar to Liv and how Liv has their own team structures, their own brands. They sell their own merchandise for each team. have the different ownership structures within each team. So I think you get some parody there.

PB (22:48)
or lead of a team. had a good sports guy, work of a team. You so there's their own different segments, which are very similar to and how Liv has their own team structures, their own brands. They sell their own merchandise for each team. They have their, you know, different ownership structures within each team. So I think you get some parody

Josh Lynn (22:48)
leave the team and Serena Williams. So there's there's their own different segments which is very similar to LIV and how they have their own team structures, own brands, sell their own merchandise for each team, but you know, different ownership structures for each team. So I think you get some parity there.

PB (23:08)
people have always been asking about team sports for golf. We all love the Ryder Cup. You know what mean? It brings a different... I'm not sure the American

Brian Harstine (23:08)
people have always been asking about team sports for golf. We all love the Ryder Cup. You know what I mean? It brings a different interaction.

Josh Lynn (23:08)
people have always been asking about team sports for golf. We will all love the Ryder. You know what mean? It brings a different

PB (23:16)
team at Bethpage, you don't love the Ryder

You don't even know to get ready for the Ryder

You Walter was talking about the other day when he was doing the Bryan Brothers video. He said the two most memorable shots in his career both happened to be Ryder Cups.

Josh Lynn (23:21)
Poulter was talking about the other day when he was doing the Bryan Brothers video. He said the two most memorable shots in his career both happened to be Ryder cups.

PB (23:31)
He was also a Ryder Cup Terminator.

So Tiger and his involvement in the game was critical. We both know, we all know that. Yes, but without him, I think the way... Right, and the he be being irritated here is that he may not even come into this season at all. And that's possible. He could pull up a fifth player in their team to replace

Josh Lynn (23:33)
Tiger and his involvement in the yellows. We both know we all know. Yeah. So without him, I think the writings on the wall we've all discussed your take here is that he may not even come into the season at all. And that's possible. could pull up a fifth player in their team to replace

Brian Harstine (23:33)
So Tiger and his involvement in TGL is critical. We both know, we all know that.

Right, and when will he leave? And your take here is that he may not even come into this season at all. And that's possible. He could pull up the fifth player in their team to replace

PB (23:53)
But it's going to be fascinating

Josh Lynn (23:53)
it's gonna be fascinating

to see how many of those half million viewers per episode fall off this year at season two. You know, it's an interesting stretch. They're releasing three matches before the fourth match. So you're gonna have a little warm up here and I think the viewership is going to be lower on one to climb on to by the time you get to the

PB (23:54)
to see how many of those have been released for a while this year. Yeah, season two. You know, it's an interesting structure, So they're releasing three matches before the fourth match being a Tiger match. So you're going to have a little warm up period. think the viewership is going to be lower on one. It's going to climb on two.

Brian Harstine (24:00)
You know, it's an interesting structure, right? So they're releasing three matches before the fourth match being a Tiger match. So you're going to have a little warm-up period, and I think the viewership's going to be lower on one, it's going to climb on two. By the time you get to the fourth

PB (24:16)
By the time you get to the fourth

Brian Harstine (24:18)
episode, fourth, you know, tournament with Tiger, you might get peak viewership. And I'm guessing then it'll fluctuate till the end, and we'll see if

PB (24:18)
episode or, you know, tournament with Tiger, you might get peak viewership. I'm guessing then it'll just fluctuate till the end and we'll see

Josh Lynn (24:18)
So, you know, tournament with Tiger, you might get the internship. I'm guessing then it'll fluctuate till the end and we'll see playoffs

PB (24:28)
generate even more buzz. But I think that also depends on who's in the playoff. Does Tiger get in the

Josh Lynn (24:28)
even more buzz. I think that also depends on who's getting the playoff. Like, Tiger get in the

Brian Harstine (24:28)
even more buzz. But I think that also depends on who's in the playoff. Like does Tiger get in the

PB (24:34)
Okay. Backing out of TGL, the last thing you want to point out is...

Josh Lynn (24:34)
Okay, backing out of TGL, last thing I want to point out is

Brian Harstine (24:34)
Okay, backing out of TGL the last thing I want to point out is

the technology is interesting. There actually, there's a lot of controversy around courses,

Josh Lynn (24:38)
the technology is interesting.

PB (24:38)
The technology is interesting. There actually, was a lot of controversy around

Josh Lynn (24:40)
There are a lot of contenders here on courses.

Brian Harstine (24:43)
I love that you can create some really wild choices in the golfer's mind.

PB (24:43)
I love that you can create some really wild choices in the golfer's mind.

Josh Lynn (24:43)
I love that you can create some really wild choices in the golfer's mind.

⁓ It's very evident to new players or new audience members that aren't familiar with how to navigate the course or course management. So this is really interesting because the game applies that a little bit. And you have like famous course architects like Gil.

PB (24:48)
And it's very evident to new players or new audience members that aren't familiar with how to navigate the course or course management. So this is really interesting because it gamifies that a little bit. And you have like

Brian Harstine (24:48)
And it's very evident to new players or new audience members that aren't familiar with how to navigate the course or course management. So this is really interesting because it gamifies that a little bit. And you have like famous course architects like Gil Hans

PB (25:02)
famous course architect, like Gil

Hanson, that is designing some holes for us. Which, what is that guy getting into to mine? you know, like an online- For a meta-verse golf course? Yeah, like, who's this guy's brain gonna create? He's created some of the best courses in the

Brian Harstine (25:04)
that is designing some holes for this, which what is that guy going to design for, you know, like an online. Yeah.

Josh Lynn (25:04)
that is designing some holes, which what is that guy going to get for, you know,

Brian Harstine (25:15)
What is this guy's brain going to create? He's created some of the best courses in the

Josh Lynn (25:15)
an online course?

PB (25:23)
Metaverse hype maybe could have been something I think that if it was still ⁓ I

Josh Lynn (25:25)
I think that if it was still COVID times when we saw so many guys building out their own indoor golf simulators and those aspects we were all confined to right home. Imagine then if you play the same things that are on

Brian Harstine (25:26)
think it was still.

Yeah.

I want you mentioned Ryder Cup. is funny because Boston Common that's led by Rory also has Keegan Bradley on it. So when you're thinking about like Ryder Cup

and like what's that inter team dynamic look like

PB (25:47)
That Inter-Team dynamic on the clock,

Josh Lynn (25:48)
Thank

think that Harris English still has nightmares from the way he played during the Ryder Cup?

PB (25:54)
We gotta have a whole debrief episode on this great questions for that podcast All right, let's let's be run show. I think There's a wrap-up on you know, it is a crazy league. It's coming up season 2 December 28 It's gonna be running throughout the offseason. It is a new product

Brian Harstine (25:54)
know. We gotta have a whole Ryder debrief ⁓ episode on this.

Josh Lynn (25:54)
We gotta have a whole writer. debrief, debrief on episode on this. Why is it that America would just can't seem to win the vital cup? Great questions for that podcast. God. All right. Let's let's run a show. think, ⁓ as a wrap up on, know, you know, it is an, it is a crazy league. It's coming up season two, December 28th. It's going to be running throughout the off season. It is a new product. It

Brian Harstine (26:03)
Great questions for that podcast. All right, let's see. Run of Show, think as a wrap up on TGL, it is a crazy league. It's coming up season two, December 28th. It's gonna be running throughout the off season. It is a new product. It

PB (26:20)
It fills, I think, some gaps. It does approach different demographics, just like YouTube approaches different demographics. Will it survive? In what form will it survive?

Brian Harstine (26:20)
fills, I think, some gaps. It does approach different demographics, just like YouTube approaches different demographics. Will it survive in what form? Will it survive?

Josh Lynn (26:20)
will, I think some gaps.

Does approach different demographics just like YouTube approaches different demographics. Will it survive? what form will it survive?

Brian Harstine (26:31)
We got some hot takes here that we're gonna track as we keep going, but let's tune in and see what happens there.

PB (26:31)
We've some pot takes here that we're going to track as we keep going, but let's tune in and see what happens there.

Josh Lynn (26:31)
We some context here that we're going to track as we keep going. But let's tune in and see what happens there.

Brian Harstine (26:37)
We already kinda covered PGA and Live Money Wars, but let's put like a finer point on that.

PB (26:37)
We already kind of heard PGA had LIV money war, but let's put a finer point on that.

Josh Lynn (26:37)
We already had a couple of PGA and a little bit of money wars. But let's put like a point on, a finer point on that.

Brian Harstine (26:45)
PGA Tour, said lost 440 million, Live lost 1.1 billion.

PB (26:45)
at PGA Tour, we said lost.

Josh Lynn (26:45)
PGA has lost $430 million, lives lost $1.1 billion.

PB (26:47)
4.3 million LIV, lost 1.1 billion.

That's 2021. And that's only their UK filings.

Josh Lynn (26:51)
only the UK class.

PB (26:53)
the PIF, the PIF to date has invested about 4.9

Josh Lynn (26:54)
If the state has invested about $0.9

Brian Harstine (26:53)
the rest of us.

Josh Lynn (26:59)
Saudi, we all know the Saudi royal family is

PB (27:00)
We all know the Saudi royal family.

Josh Lynn (27:03)
behind

some of the most controversial acts that have ever happened in history. So by investing into LIV into some of these other things that they're doing right now, they are trying to make their own brands come back and be

PB (27:04)
some of those controversial things that happened in history. by investing into, LIV into some of the things that they're doing right now, they were trying to make their own brand come back to be

Josh Lynn (27:18)
good standing around the world and if everybody follows Buenos we all will give them a pass at the of the day.

PB (27:18)
good standing around the world. And if everybody follows plans, we all will give them a pass at the of the day. I don't think anyone really cares. I think that you, I think that's in full display right now. And that's not a political point. That's just like,

Josh Lynn (27:33)
there's nothing anyone cares. There's that. All the golfers look at the price. We're going to watch Bryson. Bryson, the

PB (27:34)
think anyone cares if there's a compelling product and there's compelling golfers look at Bryson I mean people are gonna watch Bryson DeChambeau because he's Bryson DeChambeau

Brian Harstine (27:34)
care.

PB (27:42)
and do people care? I think some people care, but at the end of the day, like they are, they're going to watch probably, you know, if, they like it, I mean, the viewership doesn't show that they're watching. That's the problem. Um,

Josh Lynn (27:42)
people care? I think some people care, but at end of the day, are they going to watch, if they like it? The viewership doesn't really show that they're watching. That's the problem.

Brian Harstine (27:42)
Do people care? I think some people care, but at the end of the day, they're going to watch probably if they like it. mean, the viewership doesn't really show that they're watching. That's the problem.

Josh Lynn (27:55)
We've, we

PB (27:56)
We see this in everything. If you're a winner, you will forget the promise. It's a much greater conclusion than

Josh Lynn (27:56)
see this in every sport. If you're a winner, people will forgive almost any heinous act that somebody can do. Unfortunately.

PB (28:03)
waiting for to forget Tiger.

Tiger, but this isn't football. This is an advanced promise. an important thing. If you're a winner, we'll forgive you. All right, so real quick. just two things you like, two things you hate about LIV. There's an entertainment side that I like. I like when they're playing the music, the atmosphere is better.

Josh Lynn (28:04)
Tiger, but this isn't football. is in basketball. This isn't every single sport. If you're a winner, we'll forgive you. All right. So real quick, just two things.

Brian Harstine (28:10)
Alright, so real quick, just two things you like, two things you hate about Liv.

Josh Lynn (28:18)
There's an entertainment side that I like, like when they're playing the music, the atmosphere is better.

I think that again, when we go back and we see the old guards of the PGA Tour, they seem to hate the waste management in a lot of ways, but the waste management's one of the most fun tournaments to watch a year. The caddy run when they're running up on that one, ⁓ is that number 16 as well at waste management? So much fun. And then the powers that be try to stop that last year because they thought it was too inappropriate for the sport.

PB (28:23)
I think that again, when we go back and we see the old guards in the PGA too, they seem to hate the waste management in a lot of ways. But the waste management is one of the most fun tournaments to watch a year. The caddy run when they're running up on that number 16 as well at waste management. So much fun. And then the powers at beach, I just had that last year because they it was too inappropriate for the sport.

Brian Harstine (28:27)
We seem to hate the waste.

because it's

Josh Lynn (28:47)
That was one of the most fun things to watch for the caddies.

PB (28:47)
That was one of the most fun things to watch for the caddy.

We're talking about Liv.

one Bryson and Bryson's like rehabilitation of his own image

Brian Harstine (28:57)
image,

PB (28:58)
And I think you know there there's some bright spots in what is Based on ratings and losses etc. at dumpster fire, right? I mean you can't argue that Liv Adelaide

Brian Harstine (28:58)
I think, you know, there are some bright spots in what is based on ratings and losses, it's under a dumpster fire, right? I mean, you can't argue that LIV Adelaide

is an incredible thing for Australian golf. It is better attended. I watched when the Australian opened this last weekend, and, or sorry, it's actually gone by now. It's LIV Adelaide is better attended than the

PB (29:11)
is an incredible thing for Australian golf. It is better attended. I watched some of the Australian Open this past weekend and, or sorry, it's actually going on right now, think not this past weekend. It's Live Adelaide is better attended than

Josh Lynn (29:15)
I watched the audio very open. And it's actually gone.

It's to

PB (29:24)
the Australian Open

Brian Harstine (29:25)
Thank

you.

PB (29:25)
has been. And it looks like a really fun, speaking of the Phoenix Open, it looks like a really fun I think that there are some bright spots in that and I think that...

Josh Lynn (29:27)
And it looks like a really fun atmosphere. think that there are some bright spots in that. it

Brian Harstine (29:27)
And it looks like a really fun, it looks like a really fun app. think that there are some bright spots in that. think that

PB (29:36)
It is undeniably more global in nature than the PGA Tour is.

Brian Harstine (29:36)
it is undeniably more global than the PGA Tour is.

Josh Lynn (29:36)
is un-deniable for global.

PB (29:40)
Yeah, there's the DP World Tour, the Asian Tour and whatnot, like, the PGA Tour as it stands is 97.5 % American golf,

Brian Harstine (29:40)
Yeah. There's the DP world for PGA Tour and whatnot, but like the PGA Tour as it stands is 97 and a half percent American golf. Yeah.

Josh Lynn (29:40)
There's the DP tour. The PGA tour as it stands is 97 and a half percent American.

PB (29:53)
like focus is on the United

Brian Harstine (29:54)
Well,

PB (29:55)
The venues, weekend events, the weekend events.

Brian Harstine (29:55)
yeah, the venues, when we go to an event, it's because we LIV in the United States.

Other people have to fly halfway across the world to attend these events.

I get that. It fills a gap.

PB (30:04)
Live definitely LIV parachutes in it's we are coming to your city This is LIV Adelaide. This is LIV UK when they open it up at that course outside London. He was centurion Centurion Club They kind of they they are they are globalizing the game. Yeah, but the credibly

Brian Harstine (30:06)
The parachutes in, we are coming to your city. This is Live Adelaide. This is Live UK.

Yeah.

Josh Lynn (30:18)
kind of they are, they are core wise. With the credibility of

the ranking implications, I still can't get over and I want to see those players be able to play against the best players in the world because again, we've already said we've got Brooks Koepka, Bryson DeChambrou. I think it is a huge disservice to all golf fans out there that we can't have Bryson come in and still play on the PGA Tour in certain events.

Brian Harstine (30:32)
There's your negative. Now back to this real quick. He mentioned

the Australia Adelaide event. It has been touted as one of their best so far, Rory being the biggest proponent against it. If you ever want to catch up on this whole thing, just watch full swing.

Josh Lynn (30:52)
Rory being like the biggest proponent.

PB (30:53)
being like the biggest proponent of inset. If you ever want to catch up with him, just watch the whole

Brian Harstine (30:58)
like season one, two, three, like it's a great way to see the evolution of people's vision on the players' opinions, like the whole story arcs with this whole thing. But anyway, he was terribly against this. ⁓ He was sitting on the players' board for the PGA Tour ⁓ at the time and advisory council, yeah. Anyway, he recently came out and said,

PB (30:58)
thing. you see that one, two, three, like, it's a great way to see the evolution of people's opinions on players' opinions, the whole story arcs with this. But anyway, he was purely against this. ⁓ He was sitting on the players' board for the PGA Tour at the time. The player advisory council. The advisory council, yeah. Anyway, he recently came out and said...

Josh Lynn (30:59)
Yeah. He was sitting on the players board at the time. Anyway, recently came out and said,

Brian Harstine (31:23)
I think what Liv has done here in Australia has been amazing.

Josh Lynn (31:23)
I think what he has done here Australia has been amazing.

PB (31:23)
What LIV has done here in Australia has been amazing

Brian Harstine (31:27)
in a country that has sort of been starved of big time golf events. And that goes to what you're saying, Patrick, like right on.

PB (31:27)
in a country that has sort of been starved of big-time golf. And it goes to what you're saying Patrick ⁓ right on

Josh Lynn (31:29)
star of the big time golf business. And that goes to what you're saying Patrick, like right on,

Brian Harstine (31:35)
even sees that there is gaps in the golf business. There's gaps that can serve other audiences, just like YouTube is serving other audiences and potentially TGL is potentially serving some of the same YouTube audiences.

PB (31:35)
he even sees that there is a business there's gaps that can serve other audiences Just like YouTube is serving other audiences and potentially TGL is potentially serving some of the same YouTube

Josh Lynn (31:35)
even sees that there is gaps in golf business. There's gaps that can serve other audiences, just like YouTube is serving other audiences and potentially TGL is potentially serving some of the same YouTube

PB (31:47)
know, honestly, I think they they don't have to do the

Brian Harstine (31:47)
honestly, I think Liv,

Josh Lynn (31:47)
You know, honestly, I think they, they don't have to do the whole

Brian Harstine (31:49)
they they don't have to do the whole

party atmosphere.

PB (31:51)
party atmosphere. Oh, they could figure out a way to crack South Korea Japan To golf crazy countries. Yeah That'd be pretty cool.

Brian Harstine (31:58)
Yeah.

Josh Lynn (32:00)
That'd be pretty cool.

Brian Harstine (32:01)
Yeah,

Josh Lynn (32:02)
The Pacific

Brian Harstine (32:02)
I want to go to South Korea and play golf.

Josh Lynn (32:02)
Rim is so many eyeballs and frankly, it's a bigger audience in here in America. If I were Liv, I would go and dominate the Pacific Rim and make that your hotbed that you get all of your audience from and then worry about America secondarily.

Brian Harstine (32:19)
You know, I think that they do not need to have the party atmosphere if they're serving those different audiences by going to these different underserved, you know, demanded areas.

PB (32:20)
think that they do not need to have party atmosphere if they're serving different audiences by going to these different underserved, demanded areas.

Josh Lynn (32:19)
I think that they...

I ⁓

Brian Harstine (32:30)
I think that the party atmosphere probably pulls the product down in the eyes of many, golfers.

Josh Lynn (32:31)
think that the party atmosphere pulls the product down in the eyes of many golfers.

PB (32:31)
I think that the party atmosphere probably pulls the product down in the eyes of many, many golfers.

Brian Harstine (32:37)
The positive part is that they've

Josh Lynn (32:37)
The positive part is that they've been...

PB (32:37)
the positive part is that they've embraced

Brian Harstine (32:38)
embraced some of these like YouTube golf elements because they need to. They actually were forced to. They were forced to invent their tour against because they had

Josh Lynn (32:38)
some of these YouTube golf elements because they need to. They actually were forced to. They were forced to invent their tour again because they had challenges of survival. They were spending too much money. They said, how do we bring people to our brand? they were like, there's no way to do that. They did those rules, which was a really interesting thing

PB (32:39)
some of these like YouTube golf elements because they need to it actually were forced to They're forced to invent their tour again because they had challenges of survival They're spending too much money, know, they said how do we bring people to our brand and they recognize the way to do that You know, they did those LIV rules, which was a really interesting thing

Brian Harstine (32:48)
challenges of survival. They were spending too much money. You know, they said, how do we bring people to our brand? And they recognized the way to do that. You know, they did those LIV duels, which was a really interesting thing to

it also brought in like legitimate, famous players, major winners.

PB (33:00)
it also it also brought in legitimate famous players major winners

Josh Lynn (33:00)
It also brought in legitimate famous players, major winners

PB (33:08)
that are just hanging out with a YouTube guy trying to 250 grand so there's real stakes and it was

Josh Lynn (33:08)
that are just hanging out with a YouTube guy trying to 250 per hand. So it real stakes, it was

Brian Harstine (33:08)
that are just hanging out with a YouTube guy trying to win 250 per hand. So there's real stakes and it was

Josh Lynn (33:14)
Another piece that we're going to set on that is a quote.

Brian Harstine (33:14)
Another piece that Rory said on that was, ⁓

PB (33:14)
Another piece that we said on that quote,

golf needs to be relevant more than four times a year. That means he's not saying like, not just majors, know what mean? The four majors is like that's when all the best players get together and Liv sort of stretched that out, pulled that away. I That's my second thing about like, really just can't get on board with Liv is that

Brian Harstine (33:18)
golf needs to be relevant more than four times a year. That means he's not saying like, ⁓

Josh Lynn (33:19)
needs to be relevant more than four times a year. Yeah, that means he's not saying.

Brian Harstine (33:26)
not just majors, you know what I mean? The four majors, it's like, that's when all the best players get together and Liv sort of stretched that out, pulled that away. lot of people hate That's my second thing about what I really just can't get on board with with Liv is that divisiveness

Josh Lynn (33:26)
not just majors, know, before majors, it's like that's when all the best players get together and let's stretch that out, hold that away. hate That's my second thing. I just can't get on board with what was that. That

divisiveness that is

PB (33:42)
divisiveness it's

Brian Harstine (33:42)
that it's

Josh Lynn (33:43)
So, you know.

PB (33:43)
you know,

Brian Harstine (33:43)
you know,

whether Liv is actually growing the game or not, the conversation is growing.

Josh Lynn (33:43)
Whether Liv is actually growing the camera down, the conversation is Yeah, I kind of look at it as that

PB (33:44)
whether Liv is actually growing the game or not, the conversation is Yeah, kind of look at it.

Josh Lynn (33:48)
Liv and PGA Tour have been bickering for so long. I'm just frankly over it and tired of it. And I don't even watch either one of them unless it's a major, frankly, I've switched most of my viewership because at the end of the day, we're all only have a limited amount of time that we can watch and consume all of these various outlets that are coming in. YouTube golf is just, it's fun. It's engaging.

PB (34:07)
YouTube golf is just it's fun. It's engaging.

Brian Harstine (34:10)
engaging.

PB (34:11)
It's easy to watch these guys always have a battle going on. There's drama there.

Josh Lynn (34:11)
easy to watch these guys always have a battle going on there's drama there.

But the bitterness isn't there that again, we're seeing for the PGA to where I

PB (34:17)
But the bitterness isn't there. ending we're singing for the PGA Tour at

Brian Harstine (34:21)
Golf is here, I think it's here to stay, right? Like there's no, it fits the audience. It doesn't cost anything, it's not gonna be essentially losing money like PGA Tour and Liv.

PB (34:21)
golf is here. I think it's here to stay. Right? Like, there's no... It fits the audience. You know, it doesn't cost anything. It's not gonna be...

Josh Lynn (34:21)
golf here, I think it's, right? there's, it fits the audience. doesn't cost anything. Losing money.

PB (34:31)
essentially losing money like you did with

life. I can play it in the background.

Josh Lynn (34:34)
I can play it in the background when I'm at home working. can ⁓ watch it and be engaged with it. And you look at these guys like Bryson break 50, always entertaining. He brought Trump out. brought, yeah, that video.

PB (34:45)
Yeah, that video 15

million views

Josh Lynn (34:49)
He brought

Phil Mickelson out and then who was the one that Steph Curry Steph Curry. my gosh. Talk about a guy who can strike the ball just as good as anybody that's on tour. He outplayed Bryson DeChambrou in a break 50. ⁓

Brian Harstine (34:52)
was wondering, Steph Curry. Oh my gosh, talk about a guy that's just as good as anybody that I've seen. He outpressed the whole ship, right? He's a great guy. He

showed up that day, that's for sure. He's probably what, like a plus two or something? Now, to be fair, the difference between a scratch and plus two and a tour pro is they're like plus seven.

Josh Lynn (35:06)
a plus or something now to be fair ⁓ yeah,

PB (35:05)
he's probably like a plus two or something. Now, to be fair, the difference between like a scratcher plus two and a tour pro is like, they're like plus seven.

have a chance of qualifying for just the U.S. Open as any player period. You not only have to be like mentally wildly tough in tournament conditions, but the minimum is plus five. So, yeah. To be a cross-sport athlete.

Josh Lynn (35:15)
these guys night day Any player period you know like mentally wildly tough in tournament conditions, but the minimum is plus five So to be a

Brian Harstine (35:16)
to have a chance of qualifying for just the US Open as any player period, you not only have to be like mentally wildly tough in tournament conditions, but the minimum is plus five handicap. you know.

Josh Lynn (35:31)
Cross sport athlete. ⁓

Would we say the Steph Curry is the best golfer to come from? That's not his primary sport. You've got Tony Roma. Yeah.

PB (35:35)
Would we say that Steph Curry is the best golfer to come from? That's not his primary sport. From the NBA, From the NBA, yeah. Howdy-ro-mo,

Brian Harstine (35:39)
From the NBA, yeah, for sure from the NBA.

PB (35:43)
probably. It would be NFL. Charles Barkley would be up there.

Josh Lynn (35:45)
Charles Barkley would be up there.

PB (35:47)
Look, of the three of us,

I know I watched the least amount of YouTube golf. I watched...

Josh Lynn (35:49)
I know I watched I watched

I think the only end in YouTube I've watched actually was the Bryson Trump was breaking 50 but even just kind of

PB (35:53)
I think the only end to end YouTube golf production that I have watched actually was the Bryson and Trump video for the Breaking 50. But even just kind of prepping for this episode, I was blown away at some of the stuff that I was reading and learning about it. mean, just having it on in

Brian Harstine (36:02)
even just

episode. I was blown

I mean just have it.

PB (36:11)
the background here, hell, it's entertaining. I can look up and... Yes, again, it's kind of...

Josh Lynn (36:13)
it's entertaining. can. Guys, again, it's getting. Watch

PB (36:17)
watch fat press, duck hook one, you know, from 150 out and say, Oh, that was cool. What? you're getting twice. What's that? Evergreen. The viewership is correct. Yeah. a way that

Josh Lynn (36:17)
that. But you're getting twice as many views again and some of these YouTube videos as you are than the masters for the PGA tour. And I understand it's not a direct one to one comparison, but the viewership is unbelievable. Yeah. This is the future.

Brian Harstine (36:33)
Correct. And that's one of the biggest flaws in numbers.

PB (36:40)
you run of the mill PGA golf tournaments, which I confess I will turn on and having the

Brian Harstine (36:46)
any

Josh Lynn (36:46)
any

PB (36:47)
than any

Josh Lynn (36:47)
given old workday when it's in season. I mean, I'm not going to go back and go back to last year's farmers insurance. I'm really tired, I might put it on because they'll put me to sleep right away. yeah. Now, let me highlight that because we talked about the number of some of the meter don't be on losses for PGA. But also

PB (36:47)
given old workday when it's in season. I I'm not going to go back and there's not a world where I go back and watch last year's farmers insurance open. If I'm right, I would throw on the Bryson and Trump video. Now, let me highlight that because it's very interesting. We talked about the numbers and what they mean or don't mean on losses for PGA to LIV, but also.

Brian Harstine (36:49)
tournament on. I I'm not going to go back. There's not a work where I go back. Why? Last year, farmers insurance. If I'm right. Now, let me highlight that because it's very interesting. We talked about the numbers and what they mean or don't mean on losses for PGA Tour and Live, but also.

When you're looking at viewership numbers and comparing TGL and ESPN LIV numbers or the PGA Tour LIV numbers to evergreen content that sits there and accumulates views over a period of time, that's why when I read this I said in the first 30 days the internet invitational did a certain number of views. But that's still 30 days. It wasn't one night. One night, what was the viewership?

PB (37:15)
you know, when you're looking at viewership numbers and comparing like TGL and ESPN LIV numbers or the PGA tour LIV numbers to evergreen content, it's there and accumulates views over a period of time. That's why when they read this as they're in the first 30 days, the internet invitational did a certain number of views. But that's still 30 days. It wasn't one night, right? One night.

Josh Lynn (37:32)
Yeah. You know a certain number of you have but that's still 30 days. It wasn't one night, right? One night

PB (37:41)
What was the viewership? I think

it's definitely reasonable to handicap it in some way like that. You have to. If you're going to try to make any kind of apples to... There's some for Data Golf. You guys are super golf nuts. You've been on Data Golf. You've looked at people's stats. I'm

Josh Lynn (37:45)
There's

Brian Harstine (37:48)
There's some for Data Golf. If you guys are super golf nuts, you've been on Data Golf, you've looked at people's stats, I'm sure,

PB (37:56)
So Data Golf...

Brian Harstine (37:56)
So Data Golf could probably

PB (37:58)
probably building a that would say, what is the equivalent viewership, know, impact. You know, and I don't know how you would have to weight that because it is, it would need some complex math, you know, to try to put it on level playing field. You know, when you get people to tune in all at once, right, back in the day, YouTube didn't exist, right, way back in the day,

Brian Harstine (37:58)
build a model that would say, okay, what is an equivalent viewership ⁓ impact? And I don't know how you'd have to weight that because it would be some complex math to try to put it on level playing field. When you get people to tune in all at once, right? Back in the day, YouTube didn't exist, right? Way back in the day.

Josh Lynn (38:02)
You know, and I don't I don't know how you. Because it is some complex map to try to put it on level play. You know, when you get people to do it in all at once, right back in the day. Right back in the

internet was. We all tuned in. Easter time in central time Pacific time whatever.

Brian Harstine (38:23)
internet was limited. We all tuned in to the same show in Easter time, in central time, in Pacific time, whatever TV

PB (38:23)
internet was limited.

We all tuned in to the same show in Easter time, in Central time, in Pacific time, whatever

TV show we were watching. Obviously the internet completely changed that. You got Netflix and all this stuff and it's changing the way we're consuming content, which is also changing the viewership style and the demographics that are consuming the content. And yeah, I put on the Trump one, I on this Bob does the worst one. I'm sitting there, you know, and I'll pay attention to maybe a couple minutes at a time. And then maybe in the background, I'm listening.

Brian Harstine (38:31)
show we were watching. Obviously the internet completely changed that. got Netflix and all this stuff and it's changing the way we're consuming content, which is also changing the viewership style and the demographics that are consuming the content. And yeah, I put on the Trump one, put on this Bob does sports one. I'm sitting there, you know, and I, I'll pay attention to maybe a couple minutes at a time.

Josh Lynn (38:47)
And then maybe in the background of listening,

Brian Harstine (38:52)
And then maybe in the background, I'm listening and

it's, catch something funny, but I'm not like zoned in like Sunday at the masters. I was zoned in, man. That was the most electrifying thing all year period.

Josh Lynn (38:54)
something funny, I'm not like, like Sunday at the Masters.

PB (38:54)
I kept something funny, but I'm not like zoned in like Sunday at the Masters and that was the most electrifying thing I'll be like period so

Josh Lynn (39:02)
So

back in the day, used to host lost watching parties. So my friends would now come over. We'd sit there and watch it once a week, but you always had this anticipation of it coming out and then all being able to watch it together and talk about it afterwards. Are we dumbing down entertainment today by the fact that we can tune in whenever we want, which does mean, and I can fast forward through the video as much as I want. can pause it. can leave.

PB (39:03)
think back in days of watching ⁓ watching but you always had anticipation of coming out and all the other watching together talk about it out towards ⁓ we

Brian Harstine (39:18)
We

PB (39:20)
entertainment today by the fact that we can tune in whenever we want, which does mean and I can fast forward through the video as much as I want. can pause it and leave.

Josh Lynn (39:30)
So does that take away some of that anticipation again to the point that now we don't respect it as much as we used to? don't think it takes. We've lost a lot. It's the person. I think that's where I

PB (39:30)
So does that take away some of that anticipation again to the point that now we respect it as much as we used to? I don't think it takes away, but it takes away one key moment. We've lost a lot of area. It's the community, the person engagement.

Brian Harstine (39:37)
I don't think it I don't think it takes it away, but it takes away one key element Which we've lost a lot period ⁓ It's the community the person-to-person engagement that you get and I think that's part of why people love YouTube golf because it is person-to-person engagement

PB (39:49)
You're gonna go

Brian Harstine (39:54)
It's like you're there with the guys, like you are out there with the guys, you're gonna go do it this weekend and you wish you were doing it four or five times a week, but you can't, right? Work, whatever. And we're missing that. Your lost parties brought people together at the same time to experience something together, right? ⁓ And that's, the PGA Tour is losing some of those numbers probably on LIV performances and so is

Josh Lynn (39:54)
There with the guys. There with the guys.

PB (39:55)
do it this weekend you wish you were doing it We're missing that Your lost parties people together at the same time to experience something together, right? And that's the PGA tour is losing some of those numbers probably LIV performances and so is

Josh Lynn (39:59)
wish you were doing it five times a week, but you can't, right? You to work, whatever. We're missing that. Your lost party brought people together at the same time to experience the thing together, right? And that's, the T.J. tour is losing some of its members, probably LIV performances, and so is

Brian Harstine (40:19)
TGL because they're coming LIV, everybody has to tune in at the same day.

Josh Lynn (40:19)
T.J.L. because they're coming LIV. Everybody has to tune in at the same day. And just for knowledge that I could record it, if I can watch it later.

PB (40:19)
TGL because they're coming LIV. Everybody has to tune in at the same day. And just the knowledge that I could record it, that I can watch it later, that

Brian Harstine (40:23)
And just the knowledge that I could record it, that I can watch it later, that

Josh Lynn (40:28)
that I don't need to be there in the moment unless it's Sunday at the Masters. I want to be just a little part of history. I tell my son, I want to watch complete the grand slam. Those are moments where, you're drawn towards something to put together

PB (40:28)
I don't need to be there in the moment unless it's Sunday at the Masters. And I want to be just a little part of history when I tell my son I watched Rory complete the Grand Slam. Those are moments where you're drawn towards something, to watch it

Brian Harstine (40:28)
I don't need to be there in the moment unless it's Sunday at the Masters and I want to be just a little part of history when I'm telling my son I watched Rory complete the Grand Slam. Those are moments where, you're drawn towards something to watch it

Josh Lynn (40:44)
that has

PB (40:43)
to experience it as a community.

Brian Harstine (40:43)
experience it as a community,

PB (40:46)
I think,

Josh Lynn (40:46)
think in the same way that YouTube golf is ever.

PB (40:46)
I think in this similar, in the same way that YouTube golf is evergreen, those kinds of moments, I mean, that's not even a ⁓ golf specific, major champion specific thing. They're just big moments and sports are always going to be evergreen, I think. And they're always going to have that pull that you want to invite your buddies over to go somewhere and watch the game seven of the world series together or watch Rory try to break the grand slam finally.

Josh Lynn (40:52)
those kinds of moments. that's what it's not even golf major championship. Big moments in sports are always going be everything. I think they're always going to have that. ⁓ But I can always go games together. I think

Brian Harstine (40:52)
That was good.

Major Champions, big moments in sports are always going to I think and they're always going to have that all that you want to invite your buddies over to watch the games over the World Series together or what we're trying to break the Green Slam.

I think that's the kind of that. Yeah, I've watched more. We play.

PB (41:15)
I think that's the kind of that's why people love sports. Yeah. I've watched more of the replay

Josh Lynn (41:15)
that's the kind of that. Yeah, I've watched more of.

the replay from

PB (41:21)
from the four best shots on a scramble in the history of golf.

Josh Lynn (41:22)
the good, guys when they hit maybe the four best shots on a scramble in history of golf. When, Bubbie golf ends up hitting the hole in one from 320 yards out, whatever it was, but all four guys put it within 12 feet of the hole, all four shots and Garrett even

PB (41:31)
Probably golf ends up being like one. 320 or whatever. All four shots and you're is like a

Brian Harstine (41:33)
Oh, this was like a

while back.

PB (41:43)
wild. I've rewatched probably 30 times, even though I know what's going to happen.

Josh Lynn (41:43)
Yeah, like two or three years ago and Garrett even called it right before we hit it. He was like, my gosh, I feel like one of us is about to hit a hole in one. And one of them went in. I've rewatched that probably 30 times, even though I know what's going to happen.

Brian Harstine (41:47)
One of those went in? Whoa. ⁓

Josh Lynn (41:56)
There are so few golf shots in my life. We can look back at Payne Stewart. We all know the shot that he hit on 18 coming in at Pioneer's number two. We all know Tiger Woods. We all know the one that, ⁓ Bubba hits it around the trade in the, in the.

PB (41:56)
There are so few golf shots in my life. We can look back at Payne's score. We all know the shot that he hit on 18 coming in at Tiger's number two. We all know Tiger Woods. We all know the one that Bubba hits it around the tree. We recently re-posted

Brian Harstine (41:59)
We all know the shot that he did in 18, coming in at higher risk than he did. We all know the Tiger Award. We all know the one that, uh, Bubba hits it around the tree. Dude, we recently reposted

the Tiger shot, uh, and he's on camera, we reposted on our Instagram. He's on camera saying, this is the best shot I've ever made. It was the most pure contact I've ever felt. it was-

PB (42:12)
a Tiger shot. He's on camera. We posted it on He's on camera saying, this is the best shot. It was the most pure contact.

Josh Lynn (42:14)
He's on.

He's on camera said that shot. It was the most pure content.

PB (42:24)
Six

nine at the RBC. No fairway bunker Just Unbelievable, I he's swinging out of his shoes his dance is like awkward and he says it's the best

Josh Lynn (42:25)
No, it was out of the bunker. of the bunker with that fairway. Like that. Carried the water nails it on the grain. Just believable. His dance is like awkward and he says it's the.

Brian Harstine (42:25)
No, was, you know those, it was out of the bunker with that tiny ⁓ fairway wood that he played, that PT type thing. Out of the bunker, over trees, just unbelievable. I mean, he's swinging out of his shoes. His stance is like awkward. And he says it's the best, purest

Josh Lynn (42:45)
puts

it on the back fringe of the green, but yeah, saved himself. Yeah, part of that. That's what he did for so long. The game of golf has been searching for the new type of woods for so long. And unfortunately, like PGA Tour has gone all in on a Rory McIlroy, which frankly, I just don't think that Rory's the guy. He doesn't have the personality to be able to carry the PGA Tour.

Brian Harstine (42:46)
contact I've ever had.

goes on to win, of course, in tiger fashion.

PB (42:58)
Unfortunately, like PGA Tour has gone all in on Rory McIlroy, which frankly, I just don't think Rory's the guy. He doesn't have the personality to be able figure out that PGA controversial.

Brian Harstine (43:08)
Is more controversial

to figure, you know, the tiger talk is going to be big here in a

Josh Lynn (43:11)
The Tiger top is going to be here in a second,

PB (43:12)
The tighter talk is going to be big here in a second,

Brian Harstine (43:15)
will we ever see something like that? You got to look at other sports and see if there's precedent. You know, you look at,

Josh Lynn (43:15)
will we ever see something like that? Everybody always says they need Michael Jordan and I hate that we try to compare.

PB (43:15)
will we ever see something like that? You know, look at other sports and precedent. Everybody knows just me, Michael Jordan. And I hate when you try to compare.

Josh Lynn (43:23)
can't you just be the

PB (43:23)
can't you just be

the next LeBron James, LeBron James? Last night, he just ended That's more of our construct than LeBron's, though, in fairness to him. Well, because the media has to try to create this dramatized hype to bring viewership into... Fans do it, too. It's achievement. It's human nature to compare. That's what we tune in

Josh Lynn (43:25)
next? I mean, LeBron James be LeBron James. We last night he just ended 1200.

Brian Harstine (43:28)
last night. ⁓

⁓ Well, it's narrative, it's entertainment. That's what we tune in for.

Josh Lynn (43:34)
Well, yeah, because the media has to try to create this dramatized hype to bring viewership into. Well, it's a narrative. That's what we tune in

PB (43:44)
Yeah, but the

Josh Lynn (43:44)
Yeah, but the dramatized hype is exhausting. And last night, LeBron James

PB (43:45)
dramatized pipe is exhausting. And last night, when we're on James...

Josh Lynn (43:49)
for the first time in 1247 games, believe was the number doesn't hit double digits in points for the first time in his career. they entered this quarter. They entertained them, but they interviewed LeBron James afterwards.

PB (43:50)
for the first time in 1247 games, I believe was the number, doesn't hit double digits and points for the first time in his career. And he was the greatest quarterback. And he was the greatest soccer player. And he interviewed LeBron James after. Was it Aiden?

Brian Harstine (43:54)
it in.

Who's the greatest quarterback of all time? Who's the greatest soccer player of all time? Was it Peyton?

Was it Tom?

PB (44:08)
Was Tom?

No, ⁓ I'm a huge Peyton Manning fan and a Vol fan, but it's Brady. It's not, it's undisputed. Peyton Manning is the greatest right now. He's in quarterback of all time. Interesting. Well, in a future episode, I'm going to cover ⁓ a deep numbers based research that we did on who's the greatest golfer of all time. And there are some shakeups in

Brian Harstine (44:14)
Okay, see.

Josh Lynn (44:15)
You're being serious,

Brian Harstine (44:19)
Interesting. In a future episode, I'm going to cover a deep numbers based research that we did on who's the greatest golfer of all time. And there are some shakeups in

Josh Lynn (44:19)
Interesting. In a future episode, I'm going to cover how deep numbers based research that we did on who's the greatest golfer of all time. And there are some shakeups.

PB (44:31)
but looking back at history...

Brian Harstine (44:31)
looking back on history.

Josh Lynn (44:31)
But we never got to see Bobby Jones. in the peak of his career,

a guy goes and fights for a country in World War II, comes back four years later, then gets in a car accident. You've got some of these guys that were so good. I'm sorry, Hogan, not Bobby Jones. messed up there, but ⁓ Hogan could have been statistically one of the greatest golfers ever played, but because we didn't get to see him and we can't pull up on YouTube watching him play, nobody cares.

PB (44:50)
one the greatest golfers ever played, but because we didn't get to see him and we can't pull up on YouTube watching him play, nobody cares. Yeah. Well, it makes

Brian Harstine (44:52)
Yeah, well it makes it difficult

PB (44:59)
it difficult,

Brian Harstine (44:59)
but of all of these debates in all of these sports Tiger stands in such a wide margin especially during the that 2000, you know season I mean Yeah, so good.

PB (45:00)
of all of these debates in all of these sports, Tiger stands in such a wide margin, especially during the 2000, you know, season. Tiger Slam, right? That's another great book, that Tiger Slam. Yeah, so Yeah, but he got his stick.

Josh Lynn (45:00)
all of these debates.

⁓ Yeah, Scotty statistically had a better season than Tiger

did last year. It's much less of a debate than any other sport.

Brian Harstine (45:18)
It's much less of a debate than any other sport,

PB (45:18)
It's much less of a debate than any other

All right, look, on the, on the, on 92 golf piece, I'm excited to see what's happening.

Brian Harstine (45:21)
save it for the next. All right, so look, the YouTube golf piece, I'm excited to see what's happening.

We're definitely invested in this. We're gonna keep talking about this episode after episode. It's relevant to us. I think it's relevant to you guys. It's relevant to the sport. What they're gonna do is gonna be the question. mean, there's a lot of crossovers between the channels. Who's the best? Who's the most watched? Who's falling off? Who's coming up?

PB (45:29)
We're definitely invested in this. We're going to keep talking about this episode after episode. You know, it's relevant to us. I think it's relevant to you guys. It's relevant to the sport. You know, what they're going to do is going to be the question. I mean, there's a lot of crossovers between the channels. Who's the best? Who's the most watched? Who's called the most? Who's coming

Josh Lynn (45:47)
Who's the most watched? Who's coming up?

We're going to get into what we what we don't. ⁓ Somebody could drop us right. Next thing on the topics

PB (45:50)
up? We're going to get into what we like, what we don't in some of these future right. Next thing.

Brian Harstine (45:50)
You know, we're gonna we're gonna get into what we like what we don't in some of these future right next thing on ⁓ The the the topics

PB (45:56)
on the topics

Josh Lynn (45:59)
let's put a button on Tiger in the Champions

Brian Harstine (45:59)
let's put a put a button on the tiger in the

PB (45:59)
let's put a put a button on the Tiger and the Champions

Josh Lynn (46:03)
Is he going to come back to golf?

Brian Harstine (46:03)
is he gonna come back to golf to what level

PB (46:03)
is he going to come back to golf? To what

Josh Lynn (46:06)
people thinking that he's probably

PB (46:06)
people thinking that he's probably

Brian Harstine (46:06)
We have people thinking that he's probably

Josh Lynn (46:09)
Yeah,

PB (46:08)
He's gonna try until he can't walk to play in the

Josh Lynn (46:11)
always, the end of the day, tiger always brings viewership, but at the same time, at what point do we just stop caring? Because he's not relevant.

PB (46:11)
He always did. They always broke his viewers. At same time. At what point do we just stop? I was not relevant.

Brian Harstine (46:20)
All

right, will the Champions Tour, if he comes back, right, will the Champions Tour get a bump? Obviously, I think it's a yes.

PB (46:21)
All right, will the champion's tour if he comes back, right? Will the champion's tour get a bump? Obviously, I think is a yes. Absolutely will get a bump.

Josh Lynn (46:26)
Absolutely. We'll get a bump.

But what if he goes out in the Champions Tour and he doesn't even make the cut?

PB (46:29)
But what if he goes out in the champion's tour and he doesn't even make the cut? In what world? In the world that he's had 37 surgeries in the last four years, the guy can't even finish a weekend golf set. They may bother us on,

Brian Harstine (46:34)
In what world?

Josh Lynn (46:34)
in what we're

In the world that he's had 37 surgeries in the last four years, the guy can't even finish a weekend golf with his son when they pay in the father son.

Brian Harstine (46:36)
in the

Maybe.

know, this is one of those situations where sports is very funny to me. We talked about this a while back. It's, we know every surgery he's had and if he's got a mole on his back left cheek,

PB (46:47)
You know, this is one of those situations where sports is very funny to me. We talked about this while back. We know every surgery he's had and he's got a mole on his back left

Josh Lynn (46:51)
We about this a back. We know every surgery he's had.

cheap,

Brian Harstine (46:58)
But I feel like we would have heard

PB (46:58)
But I feel like we would have heard.

Josh Lynn (46:58)
But I feel like we would have heard if

Brian Harstine (47:01)
if he was at this point based on that information, right? We would've heard if he's just gonna be out of commission. Right now, all we're hearing is big rumblings about a sponsorship,

PB (47:01)
if he was at this point, based on that information, right, we would have heard if he's just getting out commission. Right now, all we're hearing

Josh Lynn (47:01)
he was at this point, based on that information, now, all we're hearing rumblings about a sponsorship.

PB (47:09)
Big rumblings about a

Brian Harstine (47:10)
that Champions Tour's on the table, he's coming back to TGL, you know, there's images of him out there playing, practicing, running like multiple rounds. I wanna say, I'm gonna take the opposite approach for what Patrick said earlier. I think he's gonna be at.

Josh Lynn (47:10)
that champion's tour is on the table. He's coming back to TGL. know, there's images of him out there playing, practicing, multiple rounds. want to say I'm gonna take the opposite approach for Patrick Sutter. I think he's gonna be at the majority of the TGL events. Not only because he's invested, but because he's a competitor, right? I think he's

PB (47:11)
the champion's tour is on the table. He's coming back to TGL. You know, there's images of him out there playing, practicing, running multiple want to say I'm going to take the opposite approach for what Patrick said earlier. I think he's going to be at the majority of the TGL events, not only because he's invested, but because he's a competitor, right? I think he's...

Brian Harstine (47:25)
the majority of the TGL events, not only because he's invested, but because he's a competitor, right? I think he's

maybe gonna hit the Champions Tour a couple of times

PB (47:32)
Maybe gonna hit the Champions Tour a couple of

Josh Lynn (47:32)
maybe gonna hit the champion's tour a couple of

Brian Harstine (47:35)
year, possibly. Possibly.

PB (47:35)
Do you it'll happen this year? Alright, over under

Josh Lynn (47:35)
right, over under for you

PB (47:37)
26.

Josh Lynn (47:37)
guys, eight tournaments for Tiger Woods for 2026. That includes TGL, includes champions and that includes PGA. Over under.

PB (47:38)
That's for TACA Woods. That includes TGL, that includes the Indians and the United States. Over under 26.

Brian Harstine (47:42)
It's TG.

PB (47:47)
I think zero TGL events.

Josh Lynn (47:47)
think zero TGL.

Brian Harstine (47:47)
Zero TGF.

Josh Lynn (47:49)
I mean, mean, I'm just trying to what is left of his body. He's focused on the masters. always has been so correct. So if.

Brian Harstine (47:49)
I mean, that's five right there.

PB (47:49)
I mean, he's trying everything in what is left of his body. mean, God knows he's got willpower, but he's focused on the Masters. He always has been. He has been since the car wreck. So if

Brian Harstine (47:59)
He's focused on the Masters. He only has been since the car wreck. So if

TGL isn't here for him towards playing in the Masters...

Josh Lynn (48:06)
TGL isn't geared playing in the Masters.

PB (48:06)
TGL isn't geared for him towards playing in the Masters, he's not gonna do

Brian Harstine (48:12)
if Bernhard Langer and some of these guys are still, you know, it was his last master's last one, right? Him and couples? ⁓ Definitely Bernhard. Couples might come back? Okay. Yeah. I mean, look, those guys are, the age gap between Tiger and those guys is there. It's significant. ⁓ Maybe they're in better shape for sure. ⁓ Physically, surgery wise, but.

Josh Lynn (48:12)
if Bernard Longer and some of these guys are still, you know, it was his last Masters last week, right? Him and Couples? Definitely Bernhards. Couples might come back. Okay. Yeah. mean, look, those guys are, the age gap between Tiger and those guys is significant. ⁓ Maybe they're in better shape for physically, surgery wise.

PB (48:12)
if Bernhard Langer and some of these guys are still, you know, it was his last Masters last month, right? Him and couples. Definitely Bernhard's. Couples might come back. Okay. Yeah. mean, look, those guys are.

The age gap between Tiger and those guys is significant. Maybe they were in better shape, for sure, physically, surgery-wise.

Josh Lynn (48:38)
man, you're going to mill that map with anybody.

Brian Harstine (48:38)
man, you're gonna milk that master's invite for as long as they'll let him tee off.

PB (48:38)
man, you're going to milk that master's invite for as long as they'll let him tee

Josh Lynn (48:40)
as long as the 11th

Brian Harstine (48:42)
he's.

PB (48:42)
to his... Same thing about the openness St. Andrews, right? I mean, he's going to play

Josh Lynn (48:45)
way

PB (48:46)
He so desperately wants to break Jack's record. yeah.

Josh Lynn (48:47)
record. Yeah.

Brian Harstine (48:49)
Yeah.

PB (48:49)
y'all remember those years?

Josh Lynn (48:49)
y'all remember though years ago, Tiger did an interview and he said, I'll stop playing in these majors when I know I don't have a chance. And I know it, father times undefeated guys.

PB (48:56)
I know it's time to defeat it.

Josh Lynn (48:59)
At what point do you just. Yeah, but he could walk.

Brian Harstine (48:59)
Westroom? He'll won it 46 years old. I was on the green that time. 51, 51. No, 46 was the previous oldest, right? Yeah.

PB (48:59)
What's true? you just feel like 46 years old? about it? 51. Yeah,

was Tiger at the Masters. Tiger was the Tiger was the oldest champion and then broke it. Yeah, in Tigers. Tiger this month. Yep.

Josh Lynn (49:10)
He's 51.

Brian Harstine (49:11)
Over Italy.

Josh Lynn (49:15)
In Tigers, I'm sorry, he's 50 at the end of December.

Brian Harstine (49:21)
because they sort of quad.

Josh Lynn (49:21)
is they sort of quasi-

PB (49:21)
Cause they sort of quasi

reconciled

after Phil won the PGA reconciled as much as those two will. Right. Tiger tweeted like congrats Phil Mickelson becoming the new oldest major champion. Phil. Okay. Here we go. ⁓ actually not quite. Yeah. Fact checks

Brian Harstine (49:27)
or tweet is like, congrats Phil Nicholson becoming the new oldest major champion. Phil, okay, here we go. Actually, not quite. Ooh, check. Yeah,

Josh Lynn (49:32)
Okay, here we go. Actually, quite. Yeah,

PB (49:37)
will always have laptops out. ⁓

Brian Harstine (49:37)
We will always have these laptops out looking up random

Josh Lynn (49:37)
We will always have these laptops out. We're gonna put in new

PB (49:41)
right. So Phil, if you hear us 11 months,

Brian Harstine (49:41)
All right, so Phil, 50 years, 11 months, seven

Josh Lynn (49:41)
All right, so Phil, 50 years, 11 months, 11

PB (49:45)
Julius Boros in 1968, 48 years

Brian Harstine (49:45)
Julius Boros in 1968, 48 years old,

Josh Lynn (49:45)
Julius Oros, 1968, 48 years

PB (49:49)
won the PGA

Josh Lynn (49:49)
won the PGA

Brian Harstine (49:49)
the PGA

PB (49:50)
Old Tom Morris.

Josh Lynn (49:50)
Old Tom Morris.

Brian Harstine (49:50)
Old Tom Morris,

if you really are a golf fan, you'll know who he is and

PB (49:51)
If you really are a golf fan, you know who he is and what how.

Josh Lynn (49:51)
Really our golf fan is how old he

Brian Harstine (49:55)
that is quite a story. Him and his son, if you want to dig into

PB (49:55)
is, that is the story. He and his son. You want to dig into

Josh Lynn (49:55)
is that great. If you want to dig into

Brian Harstine (49:59)
46 years old, 99

PB (49:59)
46 years old, 99

Josh Lynn (49:59)
Forty six years old, ninety nine

Brian Harstine (50:01)
The 1867 Open

PB (50:02)
the 1867 open

Josh Lynn (50:02)
the 1867 Open Train.

Brian Harstine (50:04)
Jack Nicholas, 46 years old, 82 days. So a bunch in 46. 1986 Masters.

Josh Lynn (50:04)
Nicholas, forty six years old, 82 days, so bunch of forty six, 1986 Masters.

PB (50:05)
46 years old, 82 days, so a bunch of 46. 1986 Masters.

Brian Harstine (50:10)
Jerry Barber, 45 years, three months, six The 1961 PGA. Hale Irwin. 1990 US Open. Harry Vardon, 1907 Open Championship at 44 years Tiger's not even on that list.

Josh Lynn (50:10)
Jerry Barber, 45 years, three.

PB (50:11)
Jerry Barber, 45 years, three months, six Then 1961 J. Hale 1997 Jerry 1907 Open Championship at 44 years Tiger's not even on that list.

Josh Lynn (50:14)
Let's find

Brian Harstine (50:25)
He's not even in the top 10 oldest to win a major.

PB (50:25)
He's not even in the top 10 oldest to win a How old was Tiger in the 2019 Masters? Let's find out. Maybe those were modern era stats.

Brian Harstine (50:29)
Let's find out.

Josh Lynn (50:30)
out.

Brian Harstine (50:32)
43. legitimately the 10th was 44 and eight months, Lee

Josh Lynn (50:33)
like legitimately the 10th was 44 and eight months to be

PB (50:34)
legitimately the 10th was 44 and eight months Lee

Brian Harstine (50:38)
you're looking at Phil currently being the master of longevity. You know, I think you could be looking at an Adam Scott. You could be looking at a Justin Rose at this phase. I mean,

Josh Lynn (50:38)
⁓

PB (50:38)
mean you're looking at Phil currently the master of longevity You know, I think I think you could be looking at I think Rosie's got another

I mean,

Josh Lynn (50:50)
I

mean, the show as their long term speed at their age is strong. but I hear it's another story for being physical health. Yeah. The nutrition, the coaches, the recovery that these guys have, it's not comparable. And this is every single sport that we're out there. These guys can now play much later in the life than we ever could prior. That's the thing about majors. ⁓

Brian Harstine (50:51)
The show of these guys, their longevity has been strong. Their speed at their age is strong. Tiger is another story because of that X factor being physical health, you know.

PB (50:51)
the struggle of these guys, their longevity is strong. Their speed at their age is But tiger is another story, that X factor being physical health. The nutrition, the culture, health, the health. It's not comparable. And this is everything for the left, these gas can help pay much greater than life.

Brian Harstine (51:13)
And that's the thing about majors. It's most majors, the way they set them up, it's a great leveler,

PB (51:13)
That's the thing about majors is most majors the way they set them up into a great leveler

Brian Harstine (51:19)
right? It's not about how far you hit it. You know, they, put these things into course setup that allow it to be the best player who is working their way around the course, knowing the course well, hitting fairways, hitting greens, making putts with what it's all about. Like, can you do that? Can you recover from terrible conditions, know, deep rough?

PB (51:19)
Right. It's not about how far you hit it You know, they put these things into course setup that allow it to be the best player who is working their way around the course Knowing the course well in fairways hitting greens What is all of them like? Can you do that? Can you recover from terrible conditions, you deep rough?

Josh Lynn (51:19)
It's not about how far you know they put these things into course setup that allow it to be the best player who is working their way around the course Knowing the course well in fairways hitting cranes What is all of it like? Can you do that? Can you recover?

rough.

Brian Harstine (51:41)
And some of that comes into strength, but some of it's also knowledge that they get from playing that sport for a long time.

PB (51:41)
Some of that comes into spring, but some of it's also knowledge that they get from playing this for a long

Josh Lynn (51:42)
Some of that comes into strength, but some of it's also knowledge that they get from playing that sport for a long

Brian Harstine (51:48)
Each episode we're gonna try to throw in some hot takes,

PB (51:48)
Each episode, we're going to try to throw in some hot takes,

Josh Lynn (51:48)
Each episode we're going to try to throw in some hot tanks,

PB (51:52)
so Josh, you got any hot take questions you want to lead us off with?

Brian Harstine (51:52)
Josh, you got any hot take questions you wanna lead us off with?

Josh Lynn (51:52)
Josh, you got any hot take questions you want to lead us off with?

Brian Harstine (51:55)
Well, I think here...

Josh Lynn (51:55)
Well, I think here I also want to have some audience engagement. So if you guys have any questions moving forward that y'all want us to talk about in these future episodes, write in, let us talk about it. Let's bring up some. We'll put it on the docket. We'll make sure these things get shine. It is about a community.

PB (51:55)
Well, I think here I also have an audience engagement. You guys have a question for your wives about this video episode. Tied in, let us know. Let's bring up some... We'll put it on the docket in the run of show. We'll make sure these things get shined. It is about a community. It's a spider's nest. Some call ins.

Brian Harstine (52:04)
Yeah. Put it on the docket in the run of show. We'll make sure these things get, get shined. It is about a community discussion.

one brings us into a little bit of who we are as players. What's your most like fraudulent, I can hit that shot belief. What's the shot that you believe? You step up every time you're like, yeah, I'm gonna cut it around that tree.

Josh Lynn (52:15)
This one brings us into little bit of who we are as players. What's your most fraudulent, I can get that shot, What's the shot that you believe you step up every time you're like, yeah, I'm gonna tell you around the tree.

PB (52:15)
This one brings us into a little bit of who we are as players. What's your most like fraudulent, I can get that shot, What's the shot that you believe, you step up every time you're like, yeah, I'm gonna cut air on that tree.

Brian Harstine (52:28)
40 yards, be sitting there for, know, what is that shot? That you can't hit?

PB (52:28)
40 yards be sitting there for, you know, what is that? Oh, it's, it's frickin... You can't hit. Hitting a, you know, a three yard window through the trees

instead of just punching out in the fairway. So you're always... It's bubble, it's the bubble Watson pitching wedge on 18th of the Masters in like 2022 or 2023, whichever one that he said was his best shot that he's ever hit at Augusta. Yeah. Not to be confused with the big, the big hook on the, was it 15th of the par five?

Brian Harstine (52:40)
So you're always going for it?

Josh Lynn (52:40)
So you're always. Every time.

Brian Harstine (52:47)
whichever one that he said.

PB (52:56)
for me it's like the one thing I try to tell myself before every round of golf is don't do stupid shit and time and again I'm in the woods I'm like I can hit that window PGA PGA pros pitch out try to save a par and move on with their life yeah 275 ⁓

Brian Harstine (53:02)
and time it again.

PGA pros, pitch out, how to save a farm. Yeah. 275.

Josh Lynn (53:08)
PGA PGA. Yeah, 275 three wood slightly uphill water maybe right in front. I still think I got it every time and every single time. Now the one

time I do get it, you better believe that I'm going to tell you that it was into the wind. It was raining that day. I hit the piss out of that ball, but yeah, I still tell myself I've got that shot every time I stand over it.

PB (53:32)
Yeah, man, let's see Like probably 50 % of the time I can nail that flop shop, know, you're you're short-sighted on the green and you're like I gotta get it tight I gotta save you know 50 % of the time I've got it. It's there

Brian Harstine (53:33)
Yeah, man, let's see. Like probably 50 % of the time I can nail that flop shot. You you're short-sighted on the green and you're like, I gotta get it tight, I gotta save par, you know. 50 % of the time I've got it, like it's there.

Josh Lynn (53:39)
you know, you're short-sighted on the training, like, I gotta get it tight, I gotta stay far, you know, at 50 % of the time I've got it, like, it's there.

I've done it even in tournaments, like, it's there, but the other 50 % of the time, I'm leaving short, I'll be making a bogey, because I get pissed at the end of it, but I don't think that's gonna happen, and it's one of those that you're constantly sitting on your own, yeah, just a little open, you know, I've been practicing this, I got it, no big deal.

Brian Harstine (53:48)
I've done it even in tournaments, like it's there. But the other 50 % of the time I'm leaving it short, I'm probably making a bogey because I get pissed at the end of it when I don't make that shot happen. And it's one of those that you're constantly just sitting there going,

PB (53:49)
done it even in tournaments, like it's there, but the other 50 % of the time, I'm leaving it short, I'm probably making a bogey because I get pissed at the end of it, I don't make that shot happen. And it's one of those that you're constantly just saying, yeah, just a little open, you know, I've been practicing this, I got it, no big deal.

Brian Harstine (54:02)
Yeah, just a little open. You know, I've been practicing this. I got it. No big deal.

When I should, probably either hit it into the bank, let it just get up on that green, try to make an eight footer. You know, but I'm trying to give myself that guaranteed par, like every time. It's just, yeah, that's the one that suckers me in, man.

Josh Lynn (54:08)
I should probably either hit it into the bank, let it just get up on that green, try to make a eight footer, but I'm trying to give myself that guaranteed plonk every time. It's just,

PB (54:08)
When I should, probably either hit it into the bank, let it just get up on that green, try to make an eight footer, you know, but I'm trying to give myself that guaranteed par, like every time, it's just...

Yeah, that's the one that suckers me in, man.

Josh Lynn (54:19)
yeah, that's the one that suckers me to a man.

Brian Harstine (54:22)
You can either say most overrated or most underrated YouTube golfer that you are aware of. Give us like a little bit of reason why.

Josh Lynn (54:22)
You can either say most overrated or most underrated YouTube video, or you are in your own world. And keep the leg on. You don't know why.

PB (54:22)
You can either say most overrated or most underrated YouTube golfer that you are aware of. Give us like a little bit of a reason why.

I don't know that I consume enough YouTube golf to be dangerous. think Bryson is an underrated YouTube golfer. Even as the best one. the skillset for being a good professional, a great professional golfer and the skillset of being a great YouTube golfer, like the greatest at the top of...

Josh Lynn (54:31)
I don't ⁓

Brian Harstine (54:33)
Well, think... ⁓

Josh Lynn (54:38)
And he's the number one YouTube girlfriend in the world.

Brian Harstine (54:38)
Even as human.

skill set for being a

Josh Lynn (54:48)
and the skill set of Ian Green.

Brian Harstine (54:48)
skillset of being a great YouTube golfer.

Josh Lynn (54:52)
The greatest at the top of

Brian Harstine (54:53)
greatest.

Josh Lynn (54:56)
5 % That's astounding Fair enough I will say I think he's known as like ⁓

PB (54:56)
Top 5 % in both? That's astounding to me. I don't think he gets enough credit for it. Fair enough. I will say I think he's known as like the best one right now. Right. Not just for performance. obviously he is one of the best players in world. Outside of that, really,

Brian Harstine (54:57)
and both, that's astounding to me. I don't think he gets enough credit for that. Fair enough. I will say I think he's known as like the best one right now. Right. Not just performance, because obviously he is one of the best players in the world outside of that. Like throw that away.

PB (55:16)
really well.

But it's reinvented as a way to...

Josh Lynn (55:16)
But it's reinvented his image. look at the PGA tour, they made him out to be the heel of the PGA tour. then

since he's been like LIV and what he's done on YouTube, he has completely redone his brand to the point that he's the most popular golfer in the world right now.

Brian Harstine (55:22)
The people's golfer now

PB (55:22)
Live and what he's done on YouTube he is completely He's the most popular golfer in right

Brian Harstine (55:31)
the most underrated, probably most entertaining channel, period, is the Bob Does Sports guys. They're just a little more relatable, they're nice, they're not just like, hitting you. Like, dude, he's great, Joey's hilarious, like, Bob.

PB (55:31)
the most underrated, probably most entertaining channel period is the Bob Does Sports guys. Dude, they're just a little more relatable. They're nice. They're not just like... I like Matt Perez. Dude, he's great. Joey's hilarious. Like, Bob...

Josh Lynn (55:31)
the most underrated, entertaining channel period is the Bob does sports guys like dude they're just a little more relatable they're nice they're not just like I want to do that for us like dude he's great Joey's hilarious like Bob

period just I just watch him like if he was on sports center or something I just watch the beginning

Brian Harstine (55:50)
Period. I'd just watch him. If he was on Sports Center or something, I'd just watch the guy.

the best players. They fit that part of YouTube golf, but most underrated from an entertainment factor.

Josh Lynn (55:56)
the best players, you know, like that's like that part of YouTube golf like most underrated.

I think though I'm going to I probably consume the most YouTube golf out of all of us. Who I think I'm going to start with the most overrated good guys. I just don't get it anymore. They're not entertaining.

PB (56:06)
I think though, I probably have seen the most of the girls.

Brian Harstine (56:08)
I'll see you

Who I think I'm going to

PB (56:11)
Who I think, I'm gonna start with, who's overrated. Guys, I just don't get it anymore. They're not entertaining.

Brian Harstine (56:16)
I think

Josh Lynn (56:18)
I think that Garrett's heart hasn't been in it for a while when you watch them play. And I just don't think that the guys get the cohesiveness isn't there the way that it used to be. And they brought in some new players. Now you got guys that are coming up. Brad is an exceptional player. won what was an NCAA player of the year when he was at Oklahoma. I think he was, won the NCAA, but he might've won at USAM as well, but

PB (56:18)
I think Garrett's heart hasn't been in it for a while when he watches them play. And I just don't think that the guys get the piece of this isn't there the way they used to be and they brought in some new players. Now you got guys that are, you know, Brad is an exceptional player. Who on what? Was it NCAA player of the year? did you say? I'm not USM, right? What are you saying?

Brian Harstine (56:19)
Garrett's heart hasn't been hit for a while when we watched him play. And I just don't think that the guys get the piece of this isn't there the way they bring the products into the players. I mean, I guess Brad is an exceptional player. He won the, what was it? He was high player in the year, was at a high I think he was at, might have won a USM well.

PB (56:41)
I think

Josh Lynn (56:44)
either way he's an exceptional golfer.

PB (56:45)
you're going to have some guys coming out of the good ecosystem that will go on to have great careers as we go to see Grant Hulvack and others. Most underrated of gosh, mean what Brian Rose and Grant Hulvack are putting out in this cut.

Brian Harstine (56:46)
offer and I think you're going to have some guys out of the big big ecosystem that will go on to have great careers as we've already seen with Greg Kourvac and others. Most underrated. Gosh, mean what Brian Brose and Greg Kourvac are putting out in this new Cut

Josh Lynn (56:47)
And I think you're going to have some guys coming out of the good, good ecosystem that will go on to have great careers as we've already seen with Grant Horvick and others. Most underrated though. Gosh. mean, what the Brian bros in Grant Horvick are putting out in this new, the cut

episodes are some of the best filmed, put together.

Brian Harstine (57:06)
episodes are some of the best filmed together

PB (57:06)
episodes are some of the best filmed together

Josh Lynn (57:10)
That's experiences that I see. I find it to be the most entertaining out there. So what'd you find out about Brad? What do you do?

Brian Harstine (57:10)
best experiences in IPC and I find it to be the most entertaining out there. What would you find out about Brad? What did do? Runner-up actually, 2016. So I mean, we're talking 10 years ago. As a result, it earned him invitations to major championships such as the Masters. So that's the thing they kept talking about in the internet, the guy that played in the Masters. He's

PB (57:10)
best experiences in i see i find it to be the most entertaining out there would you find out about brad what are you doing runner-up 2016 so mean we're talking 10 years ago as a result that's the thing they talked about ⁓

Josh Lynn (57:20)
116.

Brian Harstine (57:32)
the guy that played in the Masters. He got an invite from being runner-up at the US amateur in 2016.

Josh Lynn (57:33)
So he made it. And does

PB (57:33)
He got an invite from a big runner up at the USA in 2016.

Josh Lynn (57:37)
that not show how good these guys are that he's running for USM and yet he's still not even making the tour. So that shows how good these guys are, are that are on tour. It's hard to comprehend for an average golfer, whether you're a 16, to get to a 7, or a 7 to get a scratch, to get scratch, to get to a 2 plus 2, but from a plus 2 to imagine that he's as good as a tour player.

Brian Harstine (57:39)
It's hard to comprehend for like an average golfer, whether you're a 16, you know, to get to a seven from a seven to get to a scratch from a scratch to get to a two plus two, but from a plus two to imagine that he's like as good as a tour player,

PB (57:41)
It's hard to comprehend an average golfer, whether you're a 16, to get to a 7, from a 7 to get to a scratch, from a scratch to get to a 2 plus 2, but from a plus 2 to imagine that he's as good as a tour player.

Brian Harstine (58:01)
it's even harder because like you can hit a lot of the shots, but like you're not a plus seven. You're not tested in those environments.

Josh Lynn (58:01)
It's even harder because you can hit a lot of the shots, but you're not a plus seven. You're not tested in those environments.

PB (58:01)
It's even harder because like you can hit a lot of the shots. Well, like you're not a plus seven. You're not tested in those environments.

There is a separator there that is intangible for most players to really understand. That's a big deep dive we could go into another time. But yeah, that's ⁓ I agree with the comment that makes sense to

Brian Harstine (58:08)
I mean, there is a separator there that is intangible for most players to really understand. That's a big deep dive we could go into another time. But yeah, I agree with the good, good comment. That makes sense to me.

Josh Lynn (58:08)
There is a separate level that is intangible for most players to really understand. That's a big detail we could go into another time. But yeah, I agree with the good comment. think that makes sense to

isn't at it I'm seeing a lot more crossovers and that's a thing to even the good, guys bringing crossovers, which is bringing them back into the audience. And that's what a lot of these channels will do, to keep themselves going that way. All right, so this is what I really wanted to get into. From a gear standpoint, we

PB (58:24)
I'm seeing a lot more crossovers and That's engaging to even the good good guys are doing more crossovers. We're just bringing them back into relevancy And that's what a lot of these channels will do. They'll keep themselves going that way all right, so ⁓ Hot take this is one. really wanted to get into from a gear standpoint

Brian Harstine (58:23)
I'm seeing a lot more crossovers and that's engaging to me. Even the good, good guys are doing more crossovers, which is bringing them back into relevancy and that's what a lot of these channels will do. They'll keep themselves going that way. All right, so ⁓ hot take. This is one I really wanted to get From a gear standpoint, we haven't

touched how much of gear head each of these guys sitting here is. We're gonna get into that in another episode, but.

Josh Lynn (58:44)
how much of a gear head each of these guys is in here is. We're gonna get into that in another episode, but

PB (58:45)
how much of gear had each of these guys sitting here is. We're gonna get into that in another episode, but

Josh Lynn (58:50)
the most interesting non-golf club item you've been wanting to your hands on.

PB (58:51)
the most interesting non-golf club item you've been wanting to get your hands on.

Brian Harstine (58:51)
the most interesting non-golf club item you've been wanting to get your hands on?

PB (58:56)
Arcos range fighter.

Brian Harstine (58:58)
Arcos rangefinder I haven't even heard of this

Josh Lynn (58:58)
Arcos range fighter.

PB (58:58)
Arcos range fighter? I haven't even heard of this. There's one sitting in my house right now. I haven't played with it yet. No way. Okay. This is going to be something you're going to bring into one of these episodes. We're to chat about that. going off season, we're in Nashville, Tennessee. It's cold enough to where you go out and

Brian Harstine (59:02)
No way, okay, this is gonna be something you're gonna bring into one of these episodes, we're gonna chat about that. going into the off season, we're here in Nashville, Tennessee, it gets cold enough to where you do not want to go out and golf.

Josh Lynn (59:02)
No way, okay. This is gonna be something you're gonna bring into one of these episodes where you chat about going off season, we're here at Nashville, Tennessee, it gets cold enough to where you wanna go

got our homes set up and you wanna be grinding, you wanna keep yourself relevant. For me, it's the hack motion or the sports box 3D. These

PB (59:14)
we've got our homes, you know, set up and you want to be grinding. You want to yourself going. For me, it's the hack motion or the sports box

Brian Harstine (59:14)
We've got our home sim set up and you wanna be grinding, you wanna keep yourself relevant. For me, it's the hack motion or the sports box

wanting to actually improve your game while you're in a sim, beating balls against this thing. It's not just numbers anymore. It's like, what is your function and are you doing it right? Do you have someone actually helping you?

Josh Lynn (59:25)
wanting to actually improve your game while you're in a sim, just beating balls against this thing. It's not just numbers anymore. It's like, is your function and are you doing it right? have some actually helping you.

PB (59:25)
wanting to actually improve your game. You know, while you're in a sim, beating balls against, you know, this thing is not just numbers anymore. like, what is your function and are you doing it right? Do you have someone actually helping you?

Josh Lynn (59:37)
Otherwise you're just training, you're Bad habits. Bad habits, yeah, exactly. I think the hack motion's really interesting. Anybody can buy it. It's a little bit pricey, but I happen to want to my hands on it. It sits here on your wrist. The other one is... ⁓

Brian Harstine (59:37)
Otherwise you're just training in the same, in a bad habit. Yeah, exactly. And I think the hack motion is really interesting. Anybody can buy it. It's a little bit pricey, but I have been wanting to get my hands on it. It sits here on your wrist. The other one is, yeah,

PB (59:38)
Otherwise you're just training in the same, you know, bad habit. Yeah. I think the hack motion is really interesting. Anybody can buy it's a little bit pricey, but I have been wanting to get my hands on it. It here on your wrist. The other one is, um, you know, the,

Josh Lynn (59:54)
The Sportsbox 3D requires people to have camera on you. And they've, I think, put it together where you can use your phone as the camera. it's kind of one those complicated setups.

Brian Harstine (59:54)
The Sportsbox 3D, it kind of requires the ability to have a camera on you. And they've, I think, put it together where you can use your phone as the camera, but it's kind of one those complicated setups.

PB (59:54)
the sports box 3d requires the ability to have a camera on you. And they've, I think put it together where you can use your phone as the camera, but it's kind of one those complicated setups.

Brian Harstine (1:00:06)
And here, actually, I've got this foresight camera for the bay downstairs. The quality is a little low, and it's not quite always connecting to their software. But supposedly, you can use this or another camera to capture your image.

PB (1:00:07)
In here, I've got this floor snake from the bay downstairs. The quality is a little low and it's not quite connecting to their software. But supposedly you can use this or another camera to capture your

Josh Lynn (1:00:07)
And here, actually, we've got this camera for the bay downstairs. The quality is a little low. It's not quite as connecting to their software. But supposedly, you can use this or another camera to capture your image.

Brian Harstine (1:00:23)
And you can literally track yourself, put yourself next to a pro,

PB (1:00:23)
And you can literally track yourself when you're up next to a pro.

Brian Harstine (1:00:27)
see what you need to improve on. Like I think perfect practice makes perfect, you know? Not bad practice, so

PB (1:00:27)
see what you need to improve. I think perfect practice makes perfect. Not bad

put out the way.

Josh Lynn (1:00:35)
Uh, I'm all about having fun when I'm out there on the golf course. want to listen to music. I don't mind if I'm playing in flip flops. I, if you're having a bad day, you don't have to put out You'll be fine.

Brian Harstine (1:00:35)
I'm all about.

You don't have to. me, I want to get.

Josh Lynn (1:00:46)
But for me, I want to get one

PB (1:00:47)
For me, I want to

get one of those golf cards that you can attach to the side of the golf course. Golf card. You're happy to get a golf card and you can in and just punch the country bag. That's what I want to get. I've seen this on your desk. It's $27 on Amazon right now. I just see that thing flying off of your desk and like a hole in the back of your wall. Or like you hit it and it just flies off into the water or something.

Josh Lynn (1:00:48)
of those punching bags that you can attach to the side of the golf course golf cart. And say, if you're having, if you hit a bad shot, you walk, I'm just punched the punching bag. That's what I want to get. $27 on Amazon right now. So

Brian Harstine (1:00:51)
I've seen this. You can put them on your desk, ⁓ Like I just I see that thing just flying off of your desk and like a wall of holes in the back of your wall like or like you hit it and it just like flies off into the water or something

Josh Lynn (1:01:07)
Yeah, but you

PB (1:01:13)
Yeah, but you can start from there. You'll always see that dick in your wallet at one time. All right, so we've talked in all final predictions for this TGL season. We're going to chat about a little bit of that in episode two. ⁓ Quick, what we're watching, tracking, waiting for. Just wrap up what you're reading.

Brian Harstine (1:01:13)
up your cart.

Josh Lynn (1:01:13)
get a story from it no matter what you'll always see that Nick and you're wrong but I get that one time Yeah. All right. we've talked to all the final producers for this TGL season. to, you know, what we're watching, tracking, waiting for, just wrap up what you're reading.

Brian Harstine (1:01:19)
All right, so we've tossed in all the final predictions for this TGL season. We're gonna chat about a little bit of that in episode two. know, quick what we're watching, tracking, waiting for. Just wrap up what you're reading.

Josh Lynn (1:01:36)
I mean, I read the my golf spot.

PB (1:01:36)
I mean, I read my golf spy email religiously.

Josh Lynn (1:01:39)
kind of where I get my equipment, knowledge, facts, what's happening in the equipment space.

PB (1:01:38)
That's kind of where I get the majority of my equipment, knowledge, facts, what's happening in the equipment space.

Josh Lynn (1:01:46)
want to read or about actually, the Tom Morris. I want to read about the Tom Morris. It's a pretty good book on him. Okay. Nice.

PB (1:01:46)
Want to read more about actually you brought up old Tom Morris or I want to read more about old Tom Morris So I'm looking for a good book on him. Okay, nice.

Brian Harstine (1:01:55)
Okay, nice.

Josh Lynn (1:01:57)
But the thing that doing right now is actually reading the Tom Coyne book, his first one. I don't think it's his first book. It's called Ireland, where he literally tracks about Ireland.

PB (1:01:57)
the thing I'm doing right now is that extra is reading the Tom coin book his first one I don't think this first course called Ireland where you literally

Brian Harstine (1:01:57)
the thing that I'm doing right now is I actually was reading the Tom Coyne book, his first one. I don't think this is first one, but a course called Ireland where he literally trekked around Ireland

on foot with his golf bag, and I'm reading it with my dad, so we both bought it. We're going back through that together.

Josh Lynn (1:02:07)
on foot with his golf bag and I'm reading it with my dad. So we both bought it. We're going back through that together.

PB (1:02:08)
on foot with his golf bag and I'll read it with my dad. we both bought it. We're going back through that together.

Brian Harstine (1:02:15)
You know, and he normally reads a lot of these historical presidential ⁓ biographies. And he actually was like, this is really good. He's a good writer. I'm entertained by this.

Josh Lynn (1:02:15)
He

PB (1:02:15)
He normally reads a lot of these historical presidential ⁓ biographies and he actually was like, this is really good. He's a good writer. I'm entertained by

Josh Lynn (1:02:15)
normally reads a lot of these historical, like, biographies and he actually was like, this is really good. He's a good writer. I'm entertained by this.

Brian Harstine (1:02:26)
But yeah, that's what's keeping me busy. I'm almost done. I think I'm on like chapter 20.

Josh Lynn (1:02:26)
that's keeping me busy. I'm almost done. Chapter

Yeah, if I'm if I'm trying to keep up on the newest equipment coming out, guys, I'm Rick Shields. Give me his videos. Let me watch how he's hitting it. I feel like my distances are pretty similar to him. I keep it pretty simple. It's a podcast, YouTube and then. Can't wait to just get back out there. It's too cold, unfortunately, go play right now,

PB (1:02:45)
podcast into.

can't wait to just get back out to coke and go.

Brian Harstine (1:02:51)
Yeah, that sucks. There will be posts on our Instagram probably about ⁓ our seasonal golf depression.

PB (1:02:51)
Yeah, that sucks. There will be posts on our Instagram, probably about our seasonal golf depression.

Brian Harstine (1:02:59)
All right, so thanks for tuning in. Like, subscribe, you're watching this on YouTube, whether you're watching it.

PB (1:02:59)
All right. So thanks for tuning in. Like, subscribe, you're watching this on YouTube or you're watching this.

Josh Lynn (1:03:04)
Give us some comments. Yeah, give us some questions

and we can talk about that step. So we got it on YouTube.

Brian Harstine (1:03:10)
So we got it on YouTube,

PB (1:03:11)
So we got it on YouTube,

Brian Harstine (1:03:12)
Apple,

PB (1:03:12)
Apple,

Brian Harstine (1:03:13)
working on a little feature for everyone on the website. If you guys wanna head over there, it will be a member clubhouse. We're gonna be engaging in a lot of giveaways. This is how we're gonna be able to track ⁓ who's eligible for the giveaways. keep an eye out for that. We'll be announcing that stuff as we come.

PB (1:03:13)
we're working on a little feature for everyone on the website. If you guys want to head over there, it will be a member clubhouse. We're going to be engaging a lot of giveaways. This is how we're going be able to track ⁓ eligible for the So keep an eye out for that. We'll be announcing that stuff as we

Josh Lynn (1:03:13)
working on a little feature for everyone on the website. If you guys want to head over there, it will be a member clubhouse. We're going to be doing lot of giveaways. This is how we're going to be able to track for the giveaways. So keep an eye out for that. We'll be announcing that stuff as we

Brian Harstine (1:03:31)
Tune in next time. See you then.

PB (1:03:31)
Tune in next time. See you

Josh Lynn (1:03:31)
two, until next time. See you then. Take care.

PB (1:03:32)
then. Take care.