R.O.F.L. (Reach Out For Love)

Wes has no chill for bigotry, however slight, and Basma is currently fascinated with serial killers. How much compassion do you show convicted murderers without taking their side? Where do you draw the line when confronted by ignorance? What's a third question I could ask to fulfill the brain-tingling "Rule of 3"? Let's find out...

What is R.O.F.L. (Reach Out For Love)?

with Basma Awada

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What's up everybody? Welcome to our

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show about motivation and being yourself. That's right. What does R O L?

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Reach out for loads show about motivation and love being yourself being yourself. How do you be yourself?

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Let's find out. What's up? What's up? Hello. How are you guys doing today? How are we feeling? I know I am emotionally exhausted. So oh, what's going on? Um, long story short, because I don't want to get upset all over again. But basically, someone came to clean the carpets at my place this morning. And as I was on my way out the door making small talk, he pardoned me as I moved this microphone close. That regular guy that comes to clean carpet. I don't know, my mom hires him

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on these local to where we live, so it's just kind of works out. But he we were making small talk. And in the course telling him I'm work here at the radio station,

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doing all this work, doing full time work on a part time schedule type of thing.

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He jokingly huge, huge air quotes, jokingly

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was like, oh, keeping the white man down hahahahaha. And I'm and I saw red immediately. And I was so fuming that the only thing I could do to defeat situation was leave because I shouted at him. And I said no, that's not funny. Oh, you guys got an A hole bad I was, well, I didn't get in his face. Because I was just my thing is if I don't leave, I'm going to fight when it comes to this stuff. So I wasn't. And this was like, this morning. This happened and I've not been able to get my mind off.

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Yeah, it was it was literally like, nine something this morning. I had just woken up and just gotten dressed and like just had call How do you even get into that? Like he's just like, randomly. So me and my mom were talking about other stuff. And I won't get into what the other stuff was, but it kind of gave me an off feeling. And then my mom was very friendly and will just like tell anyone kind of what's going on. You know? So she's like, oh, yeah, my son, he works here and does this and all that. So like an off remark that yeah, it was an offer, Marty thought he was so comfortable in this space with two other white people that he could say this and think that it was going to like read well, and like for my mom, maybe because she's like a boomer. So like a little a little racial humor or straight up racist humor is like, that's just gonna happen. I live in Boulder City. Like it kind of explains itself. But that's not cool with me. And it's not cool with the fact that I work at this station, a giant, a jazz station that attacked UNLV an extremely diverse, if not the most diverse in terms of student populations in the country, like, and it's not like, oh, I work here. So I want to stand behind just where I happen to work. I don't actually care. I do actually care. And it's extremely frustrating how instantly dehumanizing and how, just as a joke. He felt like bringing up race and making it about race when it was about money and how much I'm making, like per week or hourly is what's more important.

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And he wanted to immediately make it racist as a joke. And I just I just don't, I have no patience for it. I have a very, very short fuse for bigotry. And

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I will go into any further but I told I made it clear how I felt and I left and then driving to campus today. I was just crying like hard, bawling tears, because people say really messed up things or as jokes because one, they're probably not in that group that they're joking about to. They think that if they can say something without saying something then they can get away with because I didn't literally say and then also, they don't put faces to faces and names to these groups of people that they joke about. Not only are they punching down, but it's a mass of people and not literally people that I work around and

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I have the pleasure of knowing every single day, human beings who are responsible for the station that he says he listens to, and he enjoys. So if you enjoy this station and 91.5, jazz and more specifically, we're on HD two right now. But if we were on the FM, and he's listening to that, and he's a frequent enjoyer, of what we do and what we make, he should know and understand that these are

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like, these are non white people. These are black and brown people. This is a diverse campus, a diverse station. And I just know, it makes them just upset a lot of the offhand comments people make, they don't realize that there's actually a reason for concern. Yeah, based off of what we say, because it does have an impact. And sometimes it has an impact and things that we can't control, we have no knowledge of what is going to turn into what is going to create and down the line as well to exactly because I was thinking about this way. Sure. It's someone I was telling somebody earlier how I was feeling and, and he was just like, man, it's really like you're letting it get to you. And I was like, No, it's just an inherently messed up thing. It should bother people, you know. And on top of that, to what you're saying, Yeah, him making an offhand comment, doesn't actually enact physical violence against a black person or any other person that he would disparage, but it's allowing it to go unchecked. That kind of is that passive violent, right. And, and and if we allow, because, oh, you know, he didn't actually hit anybody. He didn't like, any actionable anything. He just, he's just a jerk. He's just a bigot. Like, it's letting things go unchecked. Because you never know. Never know what it's going to lead. Yeah, these people may not he may not have thrown a hand towards somebody. But he votes. Right. Right. And, and you know, what I mean, like, and he'll vote for whatever, and whoever aligns with his values. And if something he's comfortable with, is, is insinuating that the reason that I'm make as much as I make or am not making more than I should to insinuate that it's because of the people I work around. And because of black men and women specifically. That's not funny. That's not obviously I don't believe that he's right at all. He's not.

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But it's just gross. It's disgusting. And it's infuriating. And these are the kinds of things that I'm passionate about enough that if I ever catch a charge for any reason, it will be it's because it'll be because I threw hands with someone being a bigot. And I, I mean, that's just how the structure of society is like, it was built a certain way back then. And it's still being like, that was the base of what it is now. All the changes that have gone through doesn't mean like there's obviously going to, there's continuous change going on, because there's just more and more changes needing to occur. Yeah, as times change. Yeah. And we've seen a lot of top down changes. Sure. But to your point, and to my, to my point, and and Well, I think we're both kind of where our heart is out when it comes to the way the world is, is knowing that the real changes, the real societal shifts that we want to see and that we're talking about right now, are those that are going to have to come from the bottom up, we're talking about really restructuring, like demolishing, doing controlled demolition, you know, you know, you, you refine, you refine and reorganize, what, what's there but in the wrong places that could still be used and salvage the parts, you know, but then ultimately, we're talking about fundamental bottom up structural changes, where we have different organizations of power, less hierarchies and more communities, horizontal structures instead of instead of vertical, which will be so much easier for us if we actually knew a lot of the things that we are still trying to figure out these days as well. Yeah, like there's so much information either hidden or just unknown that Yeah, with us knowing that information would make a lot of this readily available, which comes back to keep studying help us figure out this stuff that will help us get to those points. Yeah. And it's to what we were talking about on previous shows about how frustrating it must be for all these academics and all of these incredibly intelligent and studied and, and knowledgeable people have done tons of research and tons of work into very interesting intersections of of study. And a lot of that information is behind pay

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walls or behind class structures.

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And when it comes down to these people that did this research that did these, either qualitative or quantitative sciences, and wrote these papers and these publications, they're dying for people to hear what they have to say, and to, like, learn and to and to grow, and to,

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you know, use that curiosity that we're taught at an early age to really do something. And they, these people, these authors want that knowledge to be spread to everybody. I mean, why else would you would you strive and struggle to, and spend all this time for it to fall, uh, to completely fall through the cracks, and like, no one even knows, the stuff is out there. And no one even knows that it exists, or that it could be easily accessible. Or there could be an abstract or Yeah, like little ideas that could be built on honestly, there's a lot that goes behind it that you know, these offhand comments, these different types of senses of humor, that we, in psychology, like we last time, we were talking about how the mind works, and stress, you know, we can bounce off back off of that, as well. But the stress that goes in comes into our lives can be can be a trigger, almost like when we hear comments like that, like we'll be stressed out, we'll hear that comment, and it will just remind us about a bunch of stuff, and it could trigger a totally different thought that you never imagined to happen. Yeah. And if you could turn into a serial killer, you'll like, what, what

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are you gonna segue into talking about? Okay, so let's not just leave that hanging without any. Well, I'll go ahead and explain. But I was watching an episode, and I'm one of those people who always tries to see like, the positives and everything. So I have a hard time whenever I see a serial killer.

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Not that bad of a person to kill somebody. No. It's like, it's like so bad. But it's just, I'll always be like, I wonder what you know, made them get to that point in time in their life. You have some compassion for the fact that they couldn't have always been like, their brain wrong with them. Yeah. For them to even get close to the Yeah. And the guy. The one I'm thinking about his name is Brian Coheed, Jr. I have never heard this story before. My sister knows that. I'm like a softy to everything. And I'm just like, okay, violence and stuff. You mean? No, not what do you mean a soft, soft T to violence? How could you be a softy? Well, some people some people don't like, like, violent stuff. Oh, yeah. Like I can't. Yeah, I'm one of those people. Yeah. So yeah, I was listening to the video. And then his mom and dad find like a whole body or not body like a whole head in the closet. Oh, they freak out. They call the cops. And then the moms like hysterically crying. The dad has no idea that his son would even do something like Yeah, but like, I was trying to like,

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be like, oh, yeah, definitely is his dad apparently found like the driver's license of the guy that he did. Oh, cheese, like in his possession. He's like, Who's Who is this? I got no, I do have this. It's just wild to me. Like, at first I was like, okay, he's got ADHD, you know, he's on that. He's neuro typical. He's on the he's on the spectrum. Oh, see me neurodivergent neuro divergence.

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So he's on the spectrum. And I'm thinking, okay, all right. So maybe because he's like, I wasn't feeling well that day. So on something, okay. manic. Mental day. Yeah. And then, and then I'm like, okay, but then he's like describing how he's planned it out six months ago, that he's been like, driving around town, finding situations where it could have, like, scoping out like, that was, that was a scary part. I was like, What are you? Like, oh, you're planning near what he's describing actively planning, like the, the context of the murder scenes. And you're just like, I think right. And I didn't like watch the whole thing. But like, while I'm watching, I'm trying my best to be like, what, what could possibly be the

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why? Because the thing is, when he was talking to the cops, he was giving them every detail. And he was like, I want to be as available to you guys as possible. And well, you know, everything that's going on.

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So he's like, I don't want you guys to have to, like fight me for the information. I'll just give it to you. And he's like, so he thinks he's doing like, he's being like, very, like, morally upright about helping the police with the investigation against him. Right. Like, you know, how was he naming himself at the same time? Yeah, he was he was, he was like, egging them on to be like, just catch me type of stuff. No, oh, no, he already was caught. He's like, Oh, he was caught. Oh, okay. I'm going to jail. Here's all the information that you Oh, okay. I thought it was like a cat and mouse like Zodiac Killer.

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or type of thing where it's like, oh, try to catch me like I want to help to help you catch me, but you'll never catch me. No. Yeah, this one was hey, I did I did. Yeah. And he's just like explaining every detail is telling them His every thought every thought. Not even every detail just every thought he had. And I didn't want to go this way because I was thinking someone might see me so I went that way. And then I wore a mask and then he's Oh, is it for COVID? I guess you could say that. And then you look at it and it's I'm Michael Myers mask. Oh, she is just like, what? That's crazy. Okay, I'm not gonna lie, but like out of context, just always wearing masks. Oh, yeah. For COVID. Yeah, you can say that hard cut to just Michael biners. Mask. That's yeah, they did that. That's actually that's how they that's funny. Yeah, the more but but the sad thing is, we have a humor like in that morbid humorous. Yeah, it's a cool, so did he Yeah, that he's actually gonna do it. Yeah. But he actually did. Yeah, exactly. It's terrifying. So that was that was really interesting. And his friends said, oh, yeah, he would always say, or we would joke around, say if anyone killed anyone or ended anyone you know? Yeah. That, that we would, it would be him. No, we were just joking. They were like, We're just kidding. We were just joking around. And then he would say random remarks were like, I don't know. He did a lot of signs. There were signs a lead up to it. But usually there would be what did he like? torture animals and stuff. I'm just so Yeah, apparently cats. I was Yeah. Okay. I was gonna say a lot of a lot of a telltale sign of like,

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like, murderous, or, like, psychopathic or sociopathic or anything. We're like, oh, we think that they could be a danger when they get older to the public is like having a history of like, abusing animals and killing them. Yeah. I knew a kid in high school who

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this is gross content warning.

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Who had killed a cat and hung it up on a fence by one of the fields. Goodness, yeah, I knew that kid. I was like, I hung out with that kid. Very like one time. That's so scary. Because the reason why I'm bringing this guy up is because he said that he he did that to the homeless dude, because he's like, no one really cares about the homeless. And I'm like, What do you mean like that? You know, who doesn't care about homeless people? Random people who have random remarks? Yeah, those are people who are like, Oh, no one cares about them. Oh, no one cares about prostitutes. Oh, no one cares about, like, because they're like, oh, in society, they're viewed as like a lower IQ. Yeah. When Yeah, when you when you treat someone like an other than it's easy to dehumanize them, like, that's part of the price. So in his mind, somehow, like homeless people aren't people dehumanized. And um, that didn't come from him, I had to learn to have heard that. The moment that you kind of brought that to my attention before we started, my immediate, like, response was, oh, Patrick Bateman in American Psycho. Like literally like seeing other people as disposable and like, feeling like there's

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a moral imperative or like a social good being done. If this homeless person didn't exist, or like, who cares about this group of people? And there's like, is a studies going around just trying to figure out these people and why they think certain ways, but the scary thing is this kid, he's like, 19 years old. He studied other serial killers, but happens a lot. I was just like, Oh, my goodness. So is this like a mentality? But um, culture? I think it's just it's just very weird. Because also another thing is he said, Oh, since you guys found out about this, I'm probably gonna go to jail for 15 years. Right? And then he ends up obviously going full life. term in prison. Yeah. And that makes sense. Because it's like, what at what point will? Would it be okay for him to go back into public after? Oh, yeah. Seriously, it's like, it's very sad though. It's and so I was, I was feeling bad for the guy. And then I kept watching and the more I watched, the more I'm like, Oh, okay. Yeah, this is making a lot more Yeah. The longer you watch, the more you realize you're like, I can have compassion to a limit to a limit like like yeah, if someone is if someone by way of whether they're born that way, or they're conditioned that way and socialize that way or whatever happened, that they have come this far and basically are this like, psychopathic person? Like they're still a human being they're

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their parent. It's just such good people. Like it's just a human being happens to suck so it's like, what do we how do we

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like how humane do we treat someone who given free rein to do whatever they want? would do inhumane things. Yeah, cuz I was also thinking I was like, we do a

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inhumane things all the time by killing animals, no offense to theirs. They're like we do terrible things to animals. So like, society definitely failed the homeless guy, because apparently he was working. He was he was had he had a job. He was still homeless. A lot of people were working homeless as well. Yeah. But um, yeah, so there's that that happened. And I just got me thinking about our last conversation about stress the working class because the homeless guy was working full time. Yeah, like it was actually that's actually really sad. He was still homeless after working for so long. Yeah, if there's not a better like living example of we just need, like a, our universal basic needs met, like there's no excuse for it. It's, it's stuff like that you can be working full time and still not be able to, like, afford or be eligible, which is also horrible. For housing. Imagine the cost, the phrase cost of living is just so ghastly, when you really think about it, it really is. And the more we think about it, we got degrees, we get degrees, you got to have experience with those degrees, even with the experience and the degrees, you still have a hard time finding a job in today's economy, which is which is extremely demotivating, which is why we're here to motivate you

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to motivate motivate you to learn about serial killers, and don't be one that's

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higher, higher, your higher your low key, no blue collar workers, but don't allow them to say racist things inside your home. Right? Because you don't know what those remarks will lead to. Exactly. Well. I was gonna say I can. Yeah, I was gonna say I can I can imagine what other things he thinks that he doesn't say. But there's a lot of coping methods that we go through in order to deal with stressors. Like, actually, in that same episode, there was a cop they he told them where he put the limbs of the individual that he ended, and they went to go find them. And the cop one of the cop, ladies, they were like, Oh, we found the limbs are right here, like in plain sight. And then she starts laughing like out loud in the in the documentary. And that's like a trauma response.

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That is kind of funny. Yeah. So that's like a coping mechanism. But that

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that's what she was so shocked that she's like, What do you mean, they're right? The juxtaposition of like, intentionally scoping out victims and where it can be done, and this and that. And then hey, what's the plan? Once I've got these limbs out? I'm just gonna throw them on the ground, tell them where they are crazy. That's what's funny. It's not it's not the actual murder. That's funny. The murder is not funny. I feel I feel bad for the mom, it that's the only reason I brought this up is because you were saying but those off put remarks. And it's just like, there's a lot of damage that comes into our words, like our words have so much power. Yeah, I mean, we all I feel like when I was a little kid with the mentality still was like, Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me. And like, we're told that when, when we're little kids and what we have, like, playground teasing to deal with, but like, in reality, like words matter, and we ascribe meaning to them for a reason. So a lot of times, I'll find when I bring things up to people about like, actually, it's mess up what you said, because these words, either mean this by definition, or have this colloquial context are have this connotation. Or were the historic the, the historical aspect of certain vocabulary words can actually like, indicate that they were made or invented or used and normalized, to be harmful. So maybe we just learned better than to use them, right? It's not, it's not hard to say it's not like, here's a bunch of vocabulary. And now we're deleting certain words. It's like, here's all the vocabulary and here's why you shouldn't use certain words, in certain ways or at all. It's there. It's a choice, but that doesn't mean you should make it right. And the more choices we have, the better choices we can make. So yeah, and the good thing, the news that I would bring up to make it recent this Ramadan if you do celebrate Ramadan, that's a great lesson for us to also keep in mind. Watch what we say when because like when you're hangry you know, saying, for those of you guys celebrating Ramadan, be careful what you say. Because you don't know what those words like how much power don't be like me and just think about the person who was the serial killer like Brian cohee. Think about also, who did he killed like the Warren Barnes. That's the guy's name. Yeah, he's like a 69 year old man like know every little detail of every little thing, even though it seems little. Now it could be something bigger later. If someone's telling you that someone else in the story doesn't matter.

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And then you really need to find out who that other person in that story was. Right exactly. It's the same kind of token as you know we hear that oh History is written by the winners it's like that's the worst you don't We don't want history written by winners we want history written by everybody whoever experienced it. You know, if we if we only take if only take the winner side of things if we only take the the Midas right type of mentality to history, or to learning or to anywhere, we are blatantly ignoring and erasing other people, other cultures other historical events. Were only causing harm. Speaking of event, I'm gonna just a good backup when I finally did.

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Rad fest tomorrow, guys, march 28th 2024, from two to 9pm at the Student Union, you guys could check it out where there's going to be live music games, free entry food. This is not like a paid promotion. I'm just no no, I'll probably be there. Yeah, I was gonna say it's like happening right outside the building in the courtyard. It's gonna be fun to meet some cool people maybe like find some cool knickknacks. Yeah. Unless you're passing around for Ramadan like me, then just go hang out and have some a good time with people meeting people networking Nice. What what? I'm not familiar enough of Ramadan to know a lot of the practices. So the whole fasting thing is like it's a certain time of day you don't eat right? We actually just when the sun's not up, that's when we don't eat. And we don't drink. But then when the sun goes down, there's like a certain time we'll start fast. We start eating not fasting. We finished the fast. Oh, 30 seconds. So you eat. So you eat at nighttime and then fast during the day, right? Oh, right. Yeah, exactly. And then at the end of the month, we celebrate all together and we all and you're supposed to pray and like be doing good things for the community and learning more about yourself. So when you were saying about oh, like learn more about what your words can do, and how powerful they are. Yeah, that that is something that we do. We do a lot of self reflection during the month as well. Nice. All right, cool. So yeah, go have fun guys. There's that event. And then there's some cool other events as well. Next time we'll talk about some events that we don't we went to I'm going to talk about anime Las Vegas, and then Wesley's probably going to tell us another one of those cool I went to a show yeah. And when I when I went and saw germ and Night Live Val at the at area. Oh, that sounds cool. And the suicide boys fans out there, G five, nine fans out there. What's up, throw your sixes up. But uh, that's about it. All right. All right. Well, I'll see you guys later. See you guys tomorrow at Red Fez. Have fun guys. See you Bye.

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