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What if life’s detours and unmet expectations are part of the design?In this conversation with Jason Amoroso, Founder of Revelation Breathwork, holistic high-performance coach, and host of Living the Way of Mastery and The Sound of Healing, we explore what it really means to let go of expectations and learn to trust life.From leaving a career in professional sports to building a business rooted in spirit and service, Jason shares openly about success, surrender, and the inner journey that continues to reshape him.A conversation about the space between drive and allowing, and discovering what remains when we stop trying to make life match the picture in our minds.Thank you for listening to the Innerverse of Business and Life Podcast. For more resources like this, visit Barb's website at Barbarapatterson.com (https://barbarapatterson.com/).SHOW NOTES[00:00] - Navigating Expectations and Reality[05:32] - The Hero's Journey and Personal Growth[08:36] - The Dance of Disappointment and Resilience[11:32] - Finding Purpose in the Struggle[14:25] - The Balance of Drive and Satisfaction[17:30] - Embracing Change and New Opportunities[20:35] - The Journey of Entrepreneurship and Self-Discovery[23:27] - The Role of Parenting in Business and Life[28:17] - The Balancing Act of Parenthood and Entrepreneurship[31:09] - Choosing Family Over Financial Gain[33:07] - The Importance of Mental Clarity and Awareness[35:26] - Navigating the Entrepreneurial Mindset[38:11] - The Role of Sleep in Personal Well-being[42:29] - Embracing the Journey of Self-Discovery[45:04] - Creating Meaningful Connections Through Breathwork[54:44] - Thank you for listening!SHOW LINKSLearn more about Revelation Breathwork (https://www.revelationbreathwork.com/)Follow Jason on Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/revelationbreathwork/)
What if life’s detours and unmet expectations are part of the design?
In this conversation with Jason Amoroso, Founder of Revelation Breathwork, holistic high-performance coach, and host of Living the Way of Mastery and The Sound of Healing, we explore what it really means to let go of expectations and learn to trust life.
From leaving a career in professional sports to building a business rooted in spirit and service, Jason shares openly about success, surrender, and the inner journey that continues to reshape him.
A conversation about the space between drive and allowing, and discovering what remains when we stop trying to make life match the picture in our minds.
Thank you for listening to the Innerverse of Business and Life Podcast. For more resources like this, visit Barb's website at Barbarapatterson.com.
[00:00] - Navigating Expectations and Reality
[05:32] - The Hero's Journey and Personal Growth
[08:36] - The Dance of Disappointment and Resilience
[11:32] - Finding Purpose in the Struggle
[14:25] - The Balance of Drive and Satisfaction
[17:30] - Embracing Change and New Opportunities
[20:35] - The Journey of Entrepreneurship and Self-Discovery
[23:27] - The Role of Parenting in Business and Life
[28:17] - The Balancing Act of Parenthood and Entrepreneurship
[31:09] - Choosing Family Over Financial Gain
[33:07] - The Importance of Mental Clarity and Awareness
[35:26] - Navigating the Entrepreneurial Mindset
[38:11] - The Role of Sleep in Personal Well-being
[42:29] - Embracing the Journey of Self-Discovery
[45:04] - Creating Meaningful Connections Through Breathwork
[54:44] - Thank you for listening!
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Barb Patterson (00:56)
Hi, welcome back to the Interverse of Business and Life. This is Barb. When you've built a life that looks good on paper, a successful career, a steady income, a respected role, it can be easy to just stay the course.
deeper begins to call?
In today's conversation, I'm joined by Jason Amoroso, founder of Revelation, Breathwork, and a holistic high-performance coach.
Jason's path has taken him from practicing law to coaching professional athletes for the San Diego Padres to leaving it all behind to follow what felt true. We talk about the inner journey beneath those outer changes of letting go of expectations, redefining success, what alignment looks like when you factor in all of your life versus just these idealized images of what we think success should mean.
And what happens when we stop bargaining with life and just start trusting it?
Jason is also the host of two podcasts, Living the Way of Mastery and The Sound of Healing. His candor, humor, and depth make this conversation about being totally real and human. And I think you're going to enjoy it as much as I did. As always, thank you so much for being here. Thank you for listening. And if you know anyone that would benefit from this conversation, please share it.
Barb Patterson (02:34)
Jason, welcome. Thank you so much for being here. I really appreciate it.
Jason Amoroso (02:40)
Thanks for having me, Barb. I'm just honored that you even thought of me. So I'm excited to be here and share and see how this might serve someone.
Barb Patterson (02:49)
Yeah, well, I already just in the little pre-conversation have gotten excited about a couple places I would love to â jump in. And I think you're okay if I repeat a couple things that were said there. But, you know, the first one I just want to put out is sort of this idea that, you you said in a very just honest, real way, you were like, you know, I'm still learning.
You know, I haven't hit the mark of what I really think is successful, so I'm not sure I have anything to share. And then the reminder that, you know, really what we're doing on this podcast is sharing how, you know, our businesses, our work in the world can be a place that allows us to evolve those kind of internal shifts that help us move in our business differently. And so that's really, you know, what we're up to, not the 10 steps to success.
But I also shared that because I think the majority of those solopreneurs, entrepreneurs, founders can relate to that feeling of like, man, I've been working my behind off and I'm not sure I'm getting this right. I'm not sure. So I appreciate that level of just realness. And I think it goes into the second piece, which I'd love to just start is that,
inner sort of conflict or struggle that we can have with not meeting those expectations. Can you share a little bit about how you manage that or what you've seen around that?
Jason Amoroso (04:34)
Yeah, sure. â That was the theme that my wife and I were talking about a couple of days ago on my birthday. What was the last year about? And it was expectations because I had expectations just for my birthday and what I thought that day was going to be like. And my expectations â did not the day didn't look the way that I guess in my mind I had I had seen it couple of days leading up to it. And and that has been a big theme throughout.
my life and certainly has shown up in business and I have a pretty strong imagination, a pretty strong, â yeah, I can be pretty mental as you know. And so I get inspired, I get excited by something and I want to see it, I want to bring it into creation. I want to see it come into the world and â invariably, I think anyone who's listening to this podcast knows this.
It never looks the way that you think it's going to. It never works out the way that you wanted to. â And so, yeah, so my my journey as a full time entrepreneur has pretty much been that. that's probably the biggest. Invitation you could call obstacle, but the obstacle is the way so the biggest invitation for me is just to continue letting go of my idea of not just what it should look like, but the
timing of it. â Everything seems to happen slower than I want it to. And I also know intellectually, that's life. That is business. That is part of the journey. So it's this balance of having an inspired vision, staying connected to that, doing the daily things that you need to do to bring that into the world. And a lot of times there's certain things that are in my genius zone and there are other things as a solopreneur.
you know, just have to get done that maybe I need to be better at outsourcing, but staying connected to the vision and then letting go when it looks different than my brain's like, well, this is how it should look. And it never looks that way. But yeah, so I'm in that that dance always.
Barb Patterson (06:44)
Yeah.
And how do you manage it? you know, I know for me, I'm thinking of a couple times when I've gotten really disappointed by the results of something I've kind of put my energy and attention in. you know, and at times it has had me question like, am I on the right path? And I'm curious, like, what's happened for you? And you're obviously still here.
Jason Amoroso (07:01)
Yeah.
I'm laughing because like, â yes, I can trace that back to even like in school where â I like, I always did. I never considered myself a student, although I did. I always got good grades. My mom was a teacher. My dad was, you know, they were into education and I always got good grades, even though I never really applied myself.
until I had to take and pass the California State Bar â when my job was dependent on it. But there was a point in law school where I was like, why do I do this to myself? Why do I cram? Like literally two days before a law school exam, I have, I guess, a photographic memory. Like I would just have my notes, memorize it all, regurgitate on the test, and a day and a half later not know anything.
And I got through law school that way and a lot of my schooling and I was like, why? But it's miserable. Like, why do I do this to myself? And so I got this realization at that time and that's probably early 20s that if I don't fully go for it, like if I don't invest everything I have to doing well, I always have like an out if I don't do well to like manage that disappointment. And I and I see I saw that and that was still a behavior that I probably I don't know if I do it anymore.
Barb Patterson (08:25)
Yeah.
Jason Amoroso (08:36)
I think that stopped at some point when I got into professional sports and was coaching and working with pro athletes, like the preparation and all the things and really going for it, but still like managing â that disappointment, the feeling of disappointment. And so when it comes to something like law school, which I wasn't really passionate about or a project or whatever, but when it came to the work that I'm doing now, which what I would absolutely call like a vocation or a calling, like I just.
know that this is the work that I'm meant to be doing. Revelation, breath work, spiritual teaching, holistic coaching, whatever you want to call it. There's a lot of different, I do a lot of different things. â If I fully go for it and this is in in this line of thinking and I fail, then not only what does that mean about me? Like, I'm not good enough. I fail, but it's more like, well, if I go for a calling, which is I didn't create this calling. feels like it's like,
God's spirit, like something bigger like here, this is like, I can't do it. It's not God, let's say it's not God's fault that I'm not doing something wrong with me. So like, the heck do I even like in a way, this is where I go. Or when I started looking, it's like, why do I even exist? It's a very existential. If I can't even be and do and bring into the world what I was designed to do. And so I didn't realize that that was.
â subconsciously impacting a lot of the way that I showed up in the world. Like that's not conscious to think like that. But when I kind of got still and when it was like, OK, so now starting to see it, just see that dynamic and just see it over and over and over again, how shows up â was enlightening in a way. And I just got to see that it's not personal and it's just my insecure thinking and.
got to show up anyway and have, think that just shining that light gave me a little bit of separation from it where I can approach the way that I show up. And I know it's not true. That's the first thing like, and the somatic work I do, like my body now knows that it's not true. It's still there. And like, I think that's the next level for me is like, I can just accept, like I play a lot of mind games with myself and my clients more does not participate in these mind games. She doesn't like them, but I think they're valuable. like,
Barb Patterson (10:57)
Yes.
Jason Amoroso (11:01)
What if this part of me never goes away? Instead of me trying to like heal it or fix it or think out of it or not think out of it, like what if it's just always gonna be my human experience? And that actually helps me relax more. It's like, all right, well then it's always gonna be there, big whoop. I'm not gonna like fight it, resist it and try and what are the eight steps I need to get rid of it to change? It's like, all right, that's a part of me. I'm gonna be insecure, doubtful, afraid and.
Barb Patterson (11:23)
Yeah.
Jason Amoroso (11:28)
I'm still here, so there's a bigger part of me that's still showing up anyway.
Barb Patterson (11:32)
That's right. You're still saying yes to it at some level. And I love what you're sharing. Yes, please. Yeah.
Jason Amoroso (11:37)
Can I say one more thing around that? this was a
revelation that I had. So when I facilitate Revelation Breathwork classes, I am in the energy, so I get revelations. And this was interesting when you said, like, I had this awareness of, in a way, am I, because the hero's journey, I think, is a big part of life. know, Joseph Campbell, the hero's journey of, like, showing up.
into the unknown, getting the tools, slaying the dragon, bringing the gifts back to your world to make it a better place. And I had this awareness, I wonder if a part of me is, this is a strong word, but addicted to that, attached to the hero's journey. Things have to be hard. If it's not hard, if there's nothing to overcome, then there's no hero.
And I'm supposed to be the hero. Like I really identify with the hero's journey. I want to be the hero. I want to be the Han Solo or the Indiana Jones or the Neo or whatever. Like maybe that's like the masculine, but it's like the Harry Potter. Like you got to overcome and slay the dragon. I was like, huh. And I see how I do that in life and business. Like I need something to overcome. And like, what if that's just like another, again, addiction is a strong word, but like another attachment. Like if there's nothing exciting.
I like a challenge. like games. like winning. like competing. And I don't think that's a bad thing, but I just hadn't seen it that way before. So that might, don't know. It feels relevant, but.
Barb Patterson (13:02)
Yeah.
Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I think what I kind of hear in both in all of that is this. First of all, I think the pace of the mind and what the mind creates and imagination and creates these idealized images. We, you know, we resonate. There's something in us that resonates with that hero's journey and all those movies. so that feeling is.
what we crave, you know, and it looks like the way we get that is by the hero's journey or, you know, being successful or living up to this image we've created. And yet to what you said, I think is so beautiful. It's like, yeah, but my body knows that, ain't it? And so it doesn't mean though that
your feeling of that level of aliveness or satisfaction and fulfillment in what you're doing isn't available. It's just the struggle of, a minute, I have this image, this expectation of what it's going to look like. And that's what we're having to let go of. And I love what you said about that as well.
Jason Amoroso (14:18)
That's why you're the master, you can hear it and then just distill it into the essence.
Barb Patterson (14:25)
Yeah, well, and I think the other pieces is it is human. I agree with you. I think it's just really human to want to feel something, wake up and get excited, inspired about, and then the mind gets active about how we do it and what it will offer us.
I like the idea of like, yeah, I have insecure thinking. yeah, look at me again thinking I'm behind. yeah. You know, like, and holding it all more lightly versus with that level of intensity.
Jason Amoroso (15:02)
Yeah, and I could get pretty intense. So I need to continually lighten things up. Yeah, I mean, I love. I love what I do. I again, my mind games is like if I had 100 million dollars or maybe a lot less than that, like and I didn't. I thought I love working like I would still do at least my answer right now is like I would still do what I'm doing if I.
Barb Patterson (15:05)
Hahaha! â
Yeah.
Yeah.
Jason Amoroso (15:31)
If the money wasn't even a thing or yeah, I would still do exactly what I'm doing right now. So that's that's a good North Star for me. I enjoy it. â I think the people that are in our community, whether it's the breath work or the living the way of mastery or the men's group or the coaching, wearing a lot of hats, â which I've tried to simplify, but it just doesn't seem to be that easy.
Barb Patterson (15:35)
Yeah.
And that's amazing.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.
Jason Amoroso (16:00)
â the people get value and I, and I enjoy it. So it's like, I think that's one of my human design things. It's like follow what brings you aliveness and don't worry about anything else. And that's nice in theory. And we have mortgage and bills paying kids that are getting, you the kids as they get older, their stuff gets more expensive and like that's life too. So it's like how much, you know, that's a reality and how much do I want to obsess about that?
Barb Patterson (16:08)
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Jason Amoroso (16:30)
measure
myself against some idea about where I think I should be at this point in time.
Barb Patterson (16:35)
Yeah.
Yeah. And it's so maybe feels trite or cliche to say, but I do think it's one of the ways we create our own suffering the most, or we just aren't able to take in all that life is showing us, giving us right where we are because we sort of have this constant raising the bar or measuring against that image. And so there's a way in which that
Jason Amoroso (17:00)
Mm-hmm.
Barb Patterson (17:05)
this general dissatisfaction and push, like there can be something really beautiful in Drive. I'm grateful for my Drive at times, but I can also see when Drive is running the show and it is not helpful, you know?
Jason Amoroso (17:23)
Yeah. Yeah. You saw you just said, I actually shared this in class during the breath work. And we probably many of us have seen this, which is like two years ago, you were wanting to be where you are right now, but it's so easy to forget because we keep moving the goalposts because by our very nature, we want to keep expanding and creating more and not for the sake of just more, but because that's what I think that's what we are. We're always we want to create more and like, what about this and what about that? OK, let's go. And so.
Barb Patterson (17:30)
Great.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Jason Amoroso (17:51)
these moments to kind of take stock, reflect, review. Like, I have like, at one point it was a dream to partner with a musician, an artist that we play their songs in our classes and do an event with them where we bring Revelation Breathwork to their community, to a playlist of all their music. And like, that was a dream. That was an idea that inspired me. And now that's happening.
several times, multiple times, different artists and like it there's cool new things as you know as I take action as we take action more things come up. So â I know that enough to keep moving forward when I'm inspired and â things seem to like stall out like just keep going like that. The cartoon of the top and the bottom and the top guys, the top persons walking like leaving the job of
Barb Patterson (18:17)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Jason Amoroso (18:43)
carving out the cave and the diamonds are just on the other side of where they stopped chipping away, that's me. Meaning I'm not leaving. I always think the diamonds are right on the other side and that's like a blessing and a curse because it makes me crazy.
Barb Patterson (18:46)
Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
You're going to keep going. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. But, â you know, having known you a little bit and your story, I do think I've watched you leave things. I've watched you leave LA. I watched you leave, let go of that â performance coach role for the Padres. You know, it sounds like you were going to be a lawyer at one point. You must have let that go at some point.
Jason Amoroso (19:23)
I was, I was, I still am a lawyer, but yeah,
Barb Patterson (19:26)
Hey, this is good to know. I didn't know that. This is good to know.
Jason Amoroso (19:26)
I hear you saying, yeah. Yeah.
Barb Patterson (19:30)
But yeah, so it feels like it is something that, you know, you are willing to follow and, no, I hear you. That's a good distinction. Yeah.
Jason Amoroso (19:39)
Yeah, not quitting, though. Not like that. That to me, that's different. Yeah. It's like, hey, this is the next. is like where
life is taking me. And I'll share this because I think it's valuable. I don't know if any of your listeners like I was in a really I was in a solid full time job with the San Diego Padres and my probably around my fifth season. I worked there for seven seasons. My fifth season was â twenty nineteen.
Barb Patterson (19:48)
Yeah.
Jason Amoroso (20:05)
And I was really, enjoyed the work. It's amazing. And that environment is really cool. The best part is the relationships. And, and a part of me was wanting to do more of the soul work that I do. Revelation Breathwork is one of the vehicles that I do, the work that I do coaching and other things. But I was wanting to do that more full time. And I didn't know how that transition was look, would look more. I was starting to be in transition with her business, which was really like a
Like we had these two awesome, stable incomes and jobs and careers, and especially in the outside stats, like, oh, you work for a pro, that's the best. Like, it's like, you know, puffs up the ego there. And but then it was like, I want to do more of this stuff. Like it's getting boring talking about the same thing with these young kids who aren't even mature enough to really appreciate it and all this. Some of them. And then COVID hit. And it was like, I think for a lot of people, it was.
Barb Patterson (20:43)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Jason Amoroso (21:03)
It was what it was. And for a lot of people, it was like the best thing that ever happened because it either forced them to slow down or it created opportunities for me, create the opportunity, bringing revelation breathwork online. And which I had no idea if that was going to work or not. â This is at the beginning of all the zoom stuff with online, especially with like music and healing work. And and it was so cool to see how quickly it people.
were benefiting from it. we at the best, the height, had 500 people sign up to a single class. I think about 260 something showed up on a zoom call, like all over the world. had 73 different countries, know, hundreds, thousands of people over the course of that summer of, and it was like, oh, I, was to me, it was like so clear life's way of being like, here's the bridge. Like this is possible.
And then when COVID started to kind of slow down a little bit and it wasn't like everyone was in lockdown months and months later, probably in the fall of that year, like September, October, things started slowing down in terms of like the number of people signing up and showing up. And it was still like, okay, I see what's possible, this is great. And then I thought it was just going to continue to grow and grow and it didn't. It kind of plateaued like a lot of things do.
And I think there's more competition in all those other things. But internally, to me, that was the expectation was like, â this is it. I'm to be replaced by salary right away. Life, thank you so much. God, I'm answering the call. So now it was like this bargain I made is like, OK, if I answer the call, then you'll support me. And I I thought that was the deal. And so when it didn't work out exactly the way that I thought, yeah, there was a part of me was like super resentful and super like, fuck you, God, like I'm doing my part. Like, why isn't this thing like
Barb Patterson (22:45)
Yeah.
Jason Amoroso (22:58)
taking off the way that it's supposed to in my brain. â And yet keep showing up because the work is is pure. It's true. It helps people. It's really good. And we've grown like I've you know, I'm competitive and compare myself to other people all the time, which probably is a good thing and a downside in other ways. And so by a lot of outside measures, I would say that my business is actually a really huge success. But in my eyes, I'm like, I'm not I'm not there yet.
Barb Patterson (23:01)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Jason Amoroso (23:27)
And so when I focus
on that more, I suffer. And when I focus on what I've done, what I am doing, the people that we are serving, â and how freaking cool this is to be able to serve people all over the world, and the kinds of people from everyday people to billionaire entrepreneurs, world famous celebrities, athletes, Navy SEALs, â Emmy, Grammy, Oscar winners, just like all the teenagers, kids.
sexual â traffic victims, all different walks of life, all countries, â every ethnicity. Like it's so fucking awesome. Like that is a privilege and a blessing. And now partnering with musicians and like their their reach is way different than than my reach and the community. So â it's so cool. So, yeah.
Barb Patterson (24:20)
Yeah, it is.
So did that sort of, you know, what you said about, thought we had a deal here. Yeah, yeah. So tell me, I love that, probably because I can relate a little bit, like with that idea that if I listen, it'll go smooth. You know, like somehow, yeah.
Jason Amoroso (24:31)
Yeah, I had to do a lot of inner work on that one.
Yeah, it's like my deal. God's like, here's, here's
a, I'm planting a seed. Here's a calling. It's not going to be easy. Like it's going to challenge you. You're going to doubt yourself. Like the hero's journey, right? That if it was easy, then it wouldn't be the hero's journey. It would be just what you're doing. You're going to the grocery store and getting what you know you need. But it was like, okay, there's, there seems to be, seems to be in the soul level. There's no risk, right? I think this is all kind of soul.
Barb Patterson (24:50)
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, right.
Yeah.
Jason Amoroso (25:09)
but to my personal self that's really invested in my human experience, there seems to be â a calling here. And like it's risky to leave what you, like traditional and establish for something that's like not guaranteed. Like, but I've always, I'm a gambling man, a big fuck and I'm betting on myself and I'm betting on something that feels like God's given me too. So I'm doing my part and God's part is to make sure the money comes in so I can keep doing it. Cause that's the other argument I had with God in my head, which is like,
If you want me to keep doing this work, then I need to make enough, you know, I need to make the money to keep doing the work. Like how am I helping? And I'm using extremes that if I'm like driving Uber or working at Starbucks, so I have to go get a nine to five or like a 50 hour, 60, 70 hour week job. Like how, how is that helping me do this thing that you're also wanting me to do? I've had those conversations in my head. Oh, I'm in my head a lot, which is probably why I love revelation breath work.
Barb Patterson (26:02)
And what have you seen? Like I want, yeah, I want
to know what God said. Yeah. Yeah.
Jason Amoroso (26:07)
â I
think those conversations honestly, they're probably one way conversations like an echo chamber of you know, I mean you I've hired you as my could you see my the other mental side again, which is why the breath work like gets me out of this which I can be in so much just like into the knowing which is I don't need to know like just keep following the feeling and
Barb Patterson (26:13)
Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.
Jason Amoroso (26:33)
It's good. Like if this wasn't where I was supposed to be, think it would be really, it would be clear. It would get so uncomfortable in like a not good way. Not in like a growth way. this is uncomfortable growth. Not like, oh, this is not where I'm supposed to be. I'm forcing something or I've outgrown it or.
Barb Patterson (26:42)
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah. Well, and
I think that distinction you're making is a really great anchor. know, like the mind will do and protest and argue and whine, you know, like all those things we've done. But in your knowing and that sort of deeper intelligence within in your body and that
there's knowing like, I'm just gonna keep going. I'm gonna have a temper tantrum every once in a while. I'm gonna, you know, whatever, but I'm gonna, I'm keeping going.
Jason Amoroso (27:19)
Yeah, yeah that that pretty much sums it up and Then you know and more as an entrepreneur and so when you have two people that are entrepreneurs like sometimes I'm in it and she is like just being you know holding that space while I'm in it and sometimes she's in it and I'm holding like I everything's great what he's talking about and then like sometimes we're both
Barb Patterson (27:24)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Jason Amoroso (27:41)
just in that knowing and feeling amazing. Sometimes we're both in the trenches and the shit and like that, that also like I'm grateful to have enough awareness. Like that's part of it too, man. So I don't know. It's just life. yeah. Having kids has helped. No, that's all right. I'm just thinking like having kids definitely helps let go of expectations. It let yeah.
Barb Patterson (27:41)
Yeah.
Yeah.
It is the experience and often. Sorry, I didn't mean to talk over you. I was just going to ask you that.
Yeah, I was just going to ask you that, like how has being a parent informed, you know, the way you move in your business? Has it? Has it?
Jason Amoroso (28:17)
Probably
the way a lot of parents think, if I didn't have kids, I'd have a lot more money, a lot more freedom. â But I do think about that every so often. And at some point I was like, I'm making a conscious choice. I could, entrepreneurs, it's like you get as much unpaid vacation time as you want and the work never gets done. So there's always something that I can do to move my business forward. And at some point I just made,
Barb Patterson (28:22)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Jason Amoroso (28:46)
Maybe it wasn't a conscious choice. just realized like, oh, I could work a lot. Like I could be making more money. But a part of me is choosing not to because so I'm available for my kids, honestly, like I see maybe when my brother died, like I saw the shortness of life more. so my parents are like every all parents are, you know, aging, they're healthy and it's a bit we have an amazing how active and.
and a part of our life that they are. And they're also maturing like we all are. And so just like being aware of these different parts of life and, you know, being we had four boys, we have four boys. And when they were little, that was really hard. But it's like you don't get any sleep and then they just need you all the time. And like it requires a lot of energy. And we're trying to establish our careers and I'm traveling. It was hard.
but somehow we made it through, right? That's why I don't think you can ever like plan for the right time to have kids, in my opinion, you just fucking do it you'll figure it out. And as they've gotten older, it's like a different heart. It's, you know, now it's more of the emotional journey as they're teenagers and some of the, you know, their brain isn't developed to make good decisions, kind of, which we all did as teenagers. But like, I want to be around for that. Like, Kayden's 20 now, my oldest, he's in Ireland and like living his life and...
Barb Patterson (29:43)
Yeah.
Yep. Yep.
Jason Amoroso (30:09)
and like River's a senior and the other two guys are now in high school and seventh grade. Like our youngest is gonna be 13 and Jack's like, â like there is a window and I can always, like, I don't mean, I can always make more money, honestly. Like it's just, I think at my level of experience and wisdom and like I'm confident now in who I am and what I have to offer. it's like, you could drop me anywhere and I can help somebody. So.
Barb Patterson (30:24)
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, that's beautiful.
Jason Amoroso (30:40)
The time that
I have with them is invaluable. And so I realize, I'm choosing that, which is what really matters over making more money so I feel more secure, less stressed. And like, why can't I just feel that way anyway? Because the other thing I think about too, and I think a lot obviously, as we've established, like, thank, you know, I'm very blessed to be like, I've never really had to like worry about money. So like that.
all that energy that's gotten wasted there, there's a cost to that, I think. There's like a toll that that's, and for what? For nothing. It's like, all the worrying I've done. I actually saw a funny meme, I'll share it. I know I'm talking a lot. I saw this funny meme that was like, all the worrying you've done, only 2 % of that stuff actually comes true. And most of us realize that means the worrying is for naught. But the way this meme was like, is no, all the worrying works. Look, only the 2 % came true.
Barb Patterson (31:12)
Yeah.
No, no, it's great.
Hahaha!
Jason Amoroso (31:39)
So it me laugh. â But yeah, it's just like,
Barb Patterson (31:39)
â
Jason Amoroso (31:43)
it's just, I think it's just like mental masturbation, honestly. Like it's just either habit or it makes the mind feel like it's being productive or valuable. Like if we're not getting somewhere, thinking about something, then either we're not valuable or the bad thing might happen. But as working with you and the other things that I've done in revelation, breath work and meditation, like the slower I get, â
Barb Patterson (31:47)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Jason Amoroso (32:08)
and more things settle.
Barb Patterson (32:10)
Yeah. Yeah.
Jason Amoroso (32:11)
It's all good
and it's all fucking great and God and like my life is absolutely incredible and beautiful and amazing. I love every part of it. And the one gripe I have is that I'm not making more money than I want to. And my work is still fucking awesome. And by, like I said, by most people's standards, I'm making plenty. So I realized that that's like just a game my mind plays.
Barb Patterson (32:26)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, I think a lot of us can relate to that. But it's healthy to know what's going on. We can get compelled by it for sure, but then the remembering comes in. Even in that, it's like the knowing, like, wait a minute, the design of my business and the design of my life are one. And being available to my sons and to family in this age and connection,
Jason Amoroso (32:46)
Yeah, my god.
Barb Patterson (33:07)
that's valuable, that I want that. And so it's interesting that like in that deeper way, you won't sacrifice that. Like that's real, that's strength. That's strength. And yet again, coming back just to, you know, bring it home again is like, but then this thought, this image, this habitual idea just comes in and, you know, makes things.
Jason Amoroso (33:18)
Yeah.
Barb Patterson (33:34)
stirs up the mind a little bit, but it's really powerful when you can see, that's all that's happening. you again, hi.
Jason Amoroso (33:41)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Seeing it is. And I think, again, the mind likes tools, the mind likes, OK, what do I need to do? But there's sometimes the seeing of something is all that's required. â look what I'm look what I'm doing here. â Yeah. And that's, think, important for for anyone, especially entrepreneurs to be like, what is.
Barb Patterson (33:43)
You know.
Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
Jason Amoroso (34:09)
I mean, this is like cliche again, but like, is success for me? What does that look like? And so, and taking stock of that, I think on a regular basis and spending more time investing in those things that I feel grateful for. Again, this is like so obvious, when, at least for me, it's easy to kind of get lost in like what needs to get done. Like the day to day, the tasks, like driving towards things, which is a great, â
Barb Patterson (34:12)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Jason Amoroso (34:37)
has its positives of having that drive and that energy. And then just making sure that I have practices and systems to slow me down and help me reconnect and remember. Yeah, for sure.
Barb Patterson (34:47)
Yeah.
come back into real time. Yeah, and find the natural
momentum versus the momentum of your mind. It's how do I ride the natural momentum? Yeah.
Jason Amoroso (34:56)
Yeah. Yes. And the reason
I think this is important, like, I think if I'm being honest, I'm being more candid about this dynamic, especially as like what some people might call like a coach or a spiritual teacher or whatever, like in the wellness, like you got to have like, this guy's struggling with this stuff. He might, he must not be any good. And it's like that, that's part of my.
chatter. But â like, think we all go through it. I think for me, it's real. And it's not like all the time, but it is something that is the inner part of if I was working like a nine to five job, just like stamping things or doing whatever I wouldn't. I don't think I'd grow as much. I think everything in life is for growth. But there is something about. At least for me, entrepreneurship and bringing nothing into something and.
and taking on that responsibility and challenge and stewardship. For me, it's different than when you're working for somebody else and you're like, here's my lane of my responsibilities versus I'm responsible for everything. When I worked at the Padres, I didn't have to do marketing, I didn't have to do sales. I didn't have to do a lot of different things that when you work for yourself, you can hire people for sure. And you're still, even if you hire someone, you're responsible for all of
So.
Barb Patterson (36:25)
Yeah, yeah. Well, and I think when we're following the path that's meant for us, whether it's inside an organization or creating your own thing or, you know, â parenting, whatever that might be, I think that's where we can trust that everything, as you said earlier, is an invitation to wake us up more, to wake us up more to who we are, to expansion, to...
Jason Amoroso (36:48)
Mm-hmm.
Barb Patterson (36:54)
Knowing, like even I think what's been striking me in this conversation with you, Jason, is that yeah, that real knowing that alignment isn't get all my ducks in a row so I can have that idealized image. Alignment is no, no, no, what's in my bones? What really matters to me? And you love growth, you love spirituality, you love people having revelations, you love that. And you love
Jason Amoroso (37:12)
Mm-hmm.
Barb Patterson (37:22)
You have ambition and drive and all of that comes together in a really beautiful way. And you love your family and your wife. And so it's like, yeah, you're creating a life that has room for all of that. So I think it's that to me, that's alignment. That's alignment.
Jason Amoroso (37:44)
Yeah, thank you for reflecting that back. And I shared this with you before our call. And this is actually important for me, for sure. And I didn't actually realize this until, I don't know, at some point, like not within maybe in the last five or six years. So it was maybe a little bit longer than that. So I'm 46 now. So probably somewhere definitely after 35. How? This might be so obvious.
how important sleep is for me. It is like even more than meditation. God, meditation, that's like what I'm about. Sleep is number one. If I don't get enough sleep, it took me, it's like embarrassing to acknowledge. It was like, that's why I'm irritable. That's why I'm grumpy. That's why when I don't get enough sleep, it's negative central city. It's just harder to catch myself. But there was a point, maybe it was right around the time that we were probably from the work that we did, where it was like,
I see it. And so it's not personal anymore. Like, I'm just in a low mood. I just didn't get enough sleep. Maybe it something to blame. It was like, I just didn't get enough sleep. That's why I'm negative. So when I get enough sleep, I feel totally different. So last night I did not get a lot of sleep. So it's easier for me to talk about the quote unquote negative things â because of that, because dealing with teenager stuff, staying up until one in the morning and then getting up at six thirty to drive people to school, which is not a lot of sleep.
Barb Patterson (38:44)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, but I, you know, that is exactly what I was just going to say. Yeah, it's real. It's real. And I think that's what I so appreciate about this conversation. you know, I think that piece, again, it's another thing where now you see that drive and that standards and those images, you'll wake up, you'll remember, oh, wait, no, no, that's just my mind.
Jason Amoroso (39:10)
But that's like entrepreneur, that's life. Kids, family, entrepreneur, like you just have to show up. â It's real.
Barb Patterson (39:37)
doing what it does, another standard, another, you know. And in the same way, I think what you're sharing is one of those really helpful and simple things. It's like, yeah, when I'm in a lower mood, whether because I lack of sleep or just life or woke up on the wrong side of the bed, I do not want to trust the thinking that comes in, you know. And we don't control the thinking. So the idea that we're negative.
as if it's a character flaw. It's like, no, no, I'm just, â there's a lot of negative thinking happening, end of story. Doesn't say anything about our character.
Jason Amoroso (40:15)
Yeah, and you know, that's like a such a different approach than so much mindset training and coaching. I think there is, at least for me, there's space for both. And I mean, I do think there is space for being aware of your thinking, making conscious choices of what thoughts you're investing in, having practices, systems, routines to whether they're affirmations or like things to set yourself up for success.
Barb Patterson (40:25)
Yeah. Well, say more. What do you mean?
Yeah.
Jason Amoroso (40:44)
for a certain energy or a way of being and also like there is space for that. It's not like, that's like limited. It is limited, but it's valuable. And then this, what we're talking, what you teach and what you've taught me and what more is embodied and really gets that I'm getting better at â is this whole idea of like not trusting your own thinking. It's just a low mood. Like, that's it. It's that.
that I can just kind of treat it like that enough to do all these other things. Like that could be really bad. Like that's not really taught. â But I think there's a space. was talking more about this because she's so in the body and this and the somatic and the feeling and the and what you're talking about. And I'm I can be there and I want to spend more time in there. But I also value my intellect and that capacity. Yes. Can it run out of control?
Barb Patterson (41:19)
Yeah.
Jason Amoroso (41:38)
Absolutely, but is it also like an asset? I think so and so being able to have a Context and experience of being kind of both worlds I like and then the awareness of when I'm maybe out of balance versus some people are only in their mind all the time and they're like in a prison and then some people are Maybe not not in their mind, but they don't it's harder for them to relate
Barb Patterson (41:50)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Jason Amoroso (42:04)
to sometimes I think it's harder for more to relate to my mentalness because she's so not that. â And I think that's where I can be a bridge for people is I kind of can, I definitely know what it's like to be mental. I'm, you the work that I do and more time I spend in the emptiness I can relate to and speak back to people that are trapped in the prison of their own thinking.
Barb Patterson (42:11)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You'd see more there too.
Yeah.
Yeah. Well, and I think that's beautiful. think that's all like those of us who are in these kind of fields of helping others. â You know, our own journey becomes a place that we can serve other people as well. And, you know, our edges are our points of transformation. then, as always, we share what we see. But I do think that the
There is no either, there's no good bad, like mental bad, â free internally, spacious good, or vice versa. I think you're right. It's all a potential we all have. We all have an intellect that can be incredibly resourceful and helpful. â we have imagination and the ability to.
Jason Amoroso (42:59)
Mm-hmm.
Barb Patterson (43:20)
think and get inspired about a vacation or a new life or love, you know, like that. And that can create beautiful internal experiences. So, and that same imagination can do what we've been saying. It can create these expectations and standards and push and not enough. So it's just in a way it's like, yeah, it's all a part of what we have innately capacity to do.
And I, like you, I relate to, oh yeah, I had lived so much inside my mind that for me, my journey of letting thought fall, you know, seeing what else is on offer, you know, what else do we have available to us, was a profound and transformative experience. But not because I now think the intellect is less valuable. I agree with you. It's like, I love my mind. I love what it can do, but I've also know I've suffered.
Jason Amoroso (43:57)
Mm-hmm.
Barb Patterson (44:17)
at the expense of not seeing the thought of just kind of taking what my thinking's doing at face value. And again, that's not bad. It's just kind of true.
Jason Amoroso (44:17)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Yeah. Yeah.
Barb Patterson (44:33)
So Jason, I've really appreciated this. And I just want to ask you, know, when you think about what you're currently creating, right, both with your imagination and with just doing it, like you're just doing it no matter what, what are you feeling alive or inspired or even maybe a little cautious about, but you're still going to keep going?
Jason Amoroso (45:04)
Well, when I get caught up or kind of lost in the doing and like the goals, OK, what's the next thing I want to do? I have been doing this a lot more lately and it's helpful. And it's not like, well, you have to have, you know, it's the same. I'm not going to say like BS business advice that you hear from everybody like you got to know your why and have your vision and your why. And that gets you through the hard times. I was just thinking about this yesterday. Like it's so cliche and annoying. And it's also true.
Barb Patterson (45:30)
Yeah.
Jason Amoroso (45:34)
But instead of like, what's my why? Like, cause sometimes I'm like, I like, I don't, I don't know. I just, I like doing this and I like having this balance where I get to be at home and be with my wife and kids during the day and like, don't have to answer anybody and do what I think is cool. Like, I like that. Do I need like a bigger thing than that? But, and when I reconnect to the soul of the work that I feel like is calling me.
Barb Patterson (45:34)
Yeah.
Jason Amoroso (46:00)
And it's like you said, like our own journey is what we have to offer others. And it's this idea, this experience of what I call, you can call it whatever resonates for you. I like the word God, not old man Santa Claus. If you're good, you get rewarded. If you bad, you get punished. But this, this presence, this unnameable feeling connection to, to this, I don't even know. Like, right. There's no words, but for me it is this, â
The only way can describe it is I have, this is like in the last couple of years, â I've had this like inner vision of myself, not in a body, but as this almost like this like ball of light that like bursts into fireworks and then comes back as a ball and like is like dancing and it separates and it comes back. I've been having that like inner experience of like, that's my essence. And so when I go, so long story to get back to.
When I think about the experiences that I have had in Revelation breathwork, in certain spiritual meditations, or just like walking in nature, like all the things that bring us back to our heart, there is a transcendent meaning like I know myself, not the personal ego, like I'm Jason and I'm 40, whatever, and I've got kids, like this eternal nature that's not â like a human being, but is something more.
â And when I had it's like, this is God. But when I start to put words on it, it limits it. But this is what it's about. It meaning like alive, not in a human life, but like alive in this energy and this connection and this knowing and this inspiration, this feeling. And if that's what I am, that's what everyone is. And so like when I have those experiences and then what I think my job is, is to create a space.
where people can enter the space and have their own version of that. I don't know, like I'm not there to make you have a spiritual experience, but I know that in this space of pure love, non-agenda, non like, this is what it is, get there. It's like, you know, this is a space here of love, of openness, of whatever, and people have their own version. I don't know what they're experiencing, but you know, their own version of like, â God, all the things like that Jesus taught, like,
I am God, but it's not the I am the person like, you're God. That's blah. It's like this, this presence, this life force, the great I am like to have the experience versus which I have been in the past, like stuck at the intellectual, like I get all the spiritual I'm God, we're one. Like I get it. It makes sense in my mind, but to have it where it's like, this is, I know it. That's what revelate. That's the revelation, which is it's.
Kingdom of God or the Queendom of God is within it is you it's and it's more than you and it so that's that's why I do what I do to Because that awakening for me is like the best fucking it's the best. It's like â here's truth This is what it is and so to have other people be like I would call it waking up like â This is who I am more than my past and my traumas and my race and even this lifetime or other lifetimes or
all the shit, it's like, â this thing is outside and encompassing at the same time, all of it. That's cool. That's when I when I'm like, that's what my work is, is to invite people into that space. And sometimes people aren't ready for it or they just they're afraid of it. Sometimes I'm afraid of it. But it's like, that's the invitation that I make to the world, whether it's one on one or an experience, whether it's in a.
you know, on a podcast or in a breath work class or in my coaching with people, like that's it. I could fucking do that all day long for free. who, whatever, like that's it. So when I connect to that energy and I can't even like the words don't do it justice, right? â It helps. That's my why. But trying to put that into a little elevator pitch. what do you do? Like, â gosh, yeah, that one's tough. I still struggle.
Barb Patterson (49:59)
Yeah.
No, no,
no, are you kidding? But it's such a felt experience of where you are and even the words you're choosing. think that's it's like you just illustrated it. You just talked about it. It's like, yeah, that's the aliveness. That's the alignment. That's the yes. Right. And everything else that the mind
tries to predict and imagine is just a mind doing what a mind does. But that ability to like, yeah, drop in to that, like what we really love about what we do, you know, and regardless of what you do, you know, to tap into that. Yeah, that is so beautiful. So beautiful, Jason. Thank you for sharing all that. And thank you so much. Yes, yeah. No, no, take your time.
Jason Amoroso (50:53)
Yeah.
Can I say one more thing about that? All right, really, really quickly. So that's the
space of Revelation Breathwork, inviting people in, because the way that I believe this to be true, at least it was for me, once you experience it beyond the intellectual, once you experience it, you can't ever go back, in my opinion. A small part of you, you cross the threshold, yeah, you might go into your story, you're gonna be human, but there's a part of you that you know who you are. At a soul level, you've remembered.
Healing is just remembering who you've always been, again, beyond the body, the personality, blah, blah. So it's like, that's the invitation is for people to just have that opening that they can never go back from, â even if their humanness forgets it, there's a part of them that remembers. So that's what it's about, â that no going back. You've crossed the threshold. Amazing, let's go.
Barb Patterson (51:53)
Yeah, I love that. And I think it's true. It's like when you have a felt experience of your own innate nature, of your own soul's alignment or what feels true to you, whatever that language is that resonates for you. That's the good news. It's a felt experience. So it's embedded, it's embodied. So yes, the mind will carry you away at times, but home base is still there. Home base is still there. So yeah.
Jason Amoroso (52:18)
Yeah.
Yeah, you do a great job of articulating.
Barb Patterson (52:20)
Jason, thank you so much. I have
absolutely loved this conversation. Is there anything else that you just feel that you want to say before we go?
Jason Amoroso (52:37)
No, I thought it was really well one it's a testament to your the space you hold the skill and the experience you have and you're loving That it was really cool. Just where I am now versus where I am when we started the car even before recording I was so like I can feel the difference. I was so in my head, which was fine. It was where I was at and I just needed to kind of Process in the way that I process to ultimately get here
Barb Patterson (52:58)
Yeah, that's right. That's right.
Yeah.
Jason Amoroso (53:07)
And it's like a totally, I mean, maybe the listener will be able to hear it's like a totally different energy than where we started, than where I started. And that's okay. Like that's how it is. That's the process. I can accept that more than I ever been able to. â So I appreciate that part of the journey. Yeah. And again, acknowledging you, cause your space, your questions, like the space that you give, it allows that settling to happen.
Barb Patterson (53:16)
That's right. Yeah. Yeah. It's always moving. Yeah.
Yeah, thank you. Thank you so much, Jason. I look forward to sharing this with everyone and look forward to maybe our paths crossing in person in the near future. It'd be great. It would be great.
Jason Amoroso (53:46)
Yeah. And if anyone
is curious about experiencing Revelation Breathwork, it's live, it's online for them. We have live classes, six days a week. We have different themes from breath church to the chakras to confident, any issue around growth, spirituality, personal development. We have a series of breathwork series on it. And then we have special guests coming in doing workshops and whatnot. So have a two week free trial.
Come, no strings attached, you can cancel anytime. It's only 39 bucks a month after that. And it's a pretty cool community of people all over the world. So I don't know, I'll give you the link that you could share with people. Yeah.
Barb Patterson (54:24)
And we will have the links and the, you know, I was, that's
exactly where I was going next. And we'll have the links in the show notes. So absolutely. Yeah. And I've, I've participated and it's been amazing. So thank you. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you.
Jason Amoroso (54:38)
Yeah, thanks for the opportunity. Appreciate you, Barb.