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Welcome to Cheryl's Travel Blueprint! I’m a former Spanish teacher turned travel advisor, passionate about curating unforgettable experiences. My expertise lies in European adventures (with a special love for Spain), cruising, and all-inclusive Caribbean getaways. I specialize in creating tailored trips for families, multi-generational groups, and teachers—whether they’re traveling solo, with colleagues, or leading student groups.
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Well, we've all had that flight, the crying baby, the seat kicker, the mystery meal. But have you ever wondered what it's like from the other side of the aisle? Today, I'm sitting down with Dave, a flight attendant who's seen it all, from midair proposals to the wildest passenger stories you can imagine. So buckle up, because we're about to go behind the curtain at 30 ,000 feet. So Dave, welcome. I'm so glad you decided to join me. It's an honor to be here. I'm so excited for you. Oh, well, thank you. I'm excited to get the chance to talk to you. And maybe, why don't I, I'm going to just say that Dave and I know each other because we, well, you had been a flight attendant before we met for a different airline, but we were working together in flight training when I became a flight attendant about seven years ago, I want to say. Our seventh anniversary just passed. Okay, so I'm no longer a flight attendant, but I made some really great friends and Dave is definitely one of them. Every time he comes to town, we get a chance to connect and spend some time together. So tell us a little bit about your history as a flight attendant, like how many years you've been in the business, that kind of thing. Yeah, so I started in the industry in 2013, early in 2013. I have always been absolutely obsessed with the aviation industry. My dad was a pilot and I just, I loved flying. I loved everything airplanes growing up. When, you know, kids had posters on the wall of their, like, favorite sports ball player or their favorite, you know, their favorite band or whatnot, I had posters of the Boeing 747 and the Boeing 777 and just different posters of airplanes all over my walls. And, you know, used to make my plans play flight attendant when we were kids. I'd board them through the living room door and they'd sit on the couch and I'd serve them little Dixie cups of Coke. So it's been what I'm, it was destined to be my my career. You were definitely for it. And you are an amazing flight attendant. I have to say just one of the best, one of the best. And anybody would be, would be lucky to train under you because you are also a trainer. I am. Yes. Yeah. It's a lot of fun training that the new hires and getting to impart my passion for the industry to them. We also do a lot of recurring training. I actually just got done teaching recurring training. You have everybody from it's been, they've been there for a year to 25, 26 years. I just had somebody in a recurrent class that she has been here almost since day one of the airline. And it's just, it's fun getting to get everybody's experience, tell stories, share, learn together. I really enjoy it. Absolutely. I can, I can understand why I had a little bit of that life. So, so I definitely know, um, how that feels. So why don't you tell us a little bit about what a typical day is like for you, like from check -in to landing. Yeah, so we typically get to the airport, well to the gate, we'll say an hour before our first departure of the day. Once we get there, we have to get on board the aircraft and we have to do our safety checks. We have to make sure all of our emergency equipment is operable. We have to make sure everything that we're going to have for the day is there, get our catering carts set up, all that fun stuff. And we typically have like five to ten minutes to do that before they start sending the passengers down. We'll do anywhere between two and four flights a day. It just depends on the length of the flight. So I typically do the four leg days. So by the fourth leg, this smile is not so much of a smile, but just like a hello, hello, welcome aboard. And just, you know, maintaining safety and security on board the aircraft. That's a lot of people don't realize that's our number one priority as flight attendants. We're not there to serve you copes. That's an added bonus of the flight attendant position. But we are there to serve you. your safety, whether we're dealing with medical events, security threats, lots of drunk passengers, that happens almost every day. daily, we interact with somebody who's had one too many in the airport bar. And then our days are anywhere from six to 14 plus hours. Once we're done with the flight, everybody gets off, we have just a couple of minutes to quickly clean the plane and reset and the next group of passengers comes right back on. There's not a lot of downtime in between flights. So once you're there, you're there and you stay pretty busy all day long. And I bet every day is different. Every day has to be different because you're just dealing with different people all the time and different destinations. And I would say, you know, when going through flight attendant training, I thought, my thinking was, you are, a flight attendant is a Swiss Army knife, because you have to know so many things. You have to be able to put out fires, deliver babies, de -escalate. That's a great way of putting it. Yeah. That's a great way of putting it, a Swiss Army knife. Yeah. I mean, because you just have to, you just never know what's going to come through that door and you got to be ready for it. So, so that's what, that's kind of what's exciting about it because every day is so different, you know? And every flight is so different, you know, like one flight you could just have like the passengers from you know where, where you're just like pulling your hair out before landing. And then the next group of passengers is just an absolute blast, you know, just flight to flight is, is different. I was concerned when I first started that the repetition of it all was going to get mundane at times, but it has 13 years so far, and so far, not mundane. No, no two days are alike. That's for sure. No. No. What's one thing that passengers might be surprised to learn about your job? That we're not technically supposed to lift your bags in the overhead bins. A lot of people think that. But if I've got Nana getting on the plane or somebody who is unable to do it, obviously, I am more than happy to help. But I have people regularly just leave their bag in the aisle and sit down in their seats. And I'm like, hey, what's going on with this bag? And the 25 -year -old guy's like, oh, yeah, it's mine. It just needs to go in the overhead bin. It's like, OK. There you go. It's right there. That's one, but that's just for funsies. But I think the safety part of it is really what people just don't realize what our job is actually for. The original flight attendants were nurses. You had to be a nurse to be a flight attendant. Because, you know, back before the days of pressurized cabins and all that, They had a lot more medical events than we do because they were at an altitude where the air was a lot thinner, there was a lot more turbulence, so they wanted people to be nurses so that they were better equipped to take care of those passengers. We now have extensive medical training while we're in initial training and recurrent training. But yeah, that was the original flight attendant. They had to be RNs. And they had to be I think it was like 20 to 25 years old. If they were married, they couldn't do it. If they had a baby, they had to leave off. It's a wild world in the early days of the flight attendant career. Thank goodness it's evolved. Oh, definitely. Definitely. I once at a conference met a woman she worked for Hawaiian Airlines at that time. This is like 10 years ago. She had worked for Hawaiian Airlines for over 50 years. And she was the flight attendant that had the charge of once you get pregnant and have a baby, you should be allowed to return to work because she had a baby and she wanted to continue working and she fought it and she fought it and she fought it and now because of her, it's standard, obviously it's standard practice, you know, it would be illegal to discriminate against somebody these days for something like that, but back then, she got it so that if you had a baby, you were welcome to return to work. Mm hmm. Well, it was interesting sitting and talking to her. It was really cool sitting and having dinner with her and having conversations and hearing about what it used to be like versus what it's like now. Mm hmm. Definitely a lot of people say there is and a lot of people say we used to be issued white gloves for service when we first started. Now we're issued handcuffs. Issued what? Handcuffs. And it's becoming more, it's just crazy. Luckily I've never had to use them. I don't ever want to have to use them. Knock on wood, I never have to use them, but they're there if I need them. Yeah, for sure. I mean, every day you read something about somebody, something happening. Did you hear about the incident? Was it yesterday with Lufthansa? There was a passenger who, there were some sleeping teenagers on the plane and a passenger, another passenger stabbed both of them with a metal fork. So they were from, they were going from Chicago to Frankfurt and they had to divert to Boston. Oh, did you have any idea why? I haven't, I haven't heard why yet. So hopefully we'll, we'll get some news. I stopped asking why years ago. That's true. I mean, there's so much, there's so much madness. Absolutely. But I'm going to switch gears a little bit and ask you, after that question, what's the most rewarding part of your job and the most challenging part? The most challenging is, that's easy to answer. It's the length of the day. It's how long you can be on the plane. The up and the down, you know, two to four times a day is, it's not easy on the body. It's exhausting. You know, and then one day you're going in, like, day after tomorrow going at 5am, but then the day after that I go in at 4pm, you know, so that that constant changing of times is is very difficult. And the most rewarding thing about it is, is just being able to be part of you know, somebody's dream vacation that might be going on or, you know, people are traveling for not so wonderful reasons, going to a funeral or what have you, you know, just trying to be a little bit of sunshine in that person's day. I love first time flyers. I've had first time flyers, everybody from infants to an 85 year old woman, it was her first time on a plane. So it's, it's, it's fun being part of that, that, that journey for people. You know what, I remember, I didn't get to do it very often, but when somebody has a baby, I'd love to hold the babies while they get themselves together. It's just like, because you can't walk up to a total stranger and hold their baby. Right. But if you're a flight attendant, they let you. Let me hold your baby really quick. They're like, okay, here, take him. But if I do that in the grocery store, they'd be like, get away from me. I'm not giving you my baby. I don't understand that. I don't know why. Um, so, you know, we've talked a little bit about, um, you know, the different types of passengers and, and the evolution of the flight attendant position and, and, you know, the actual use of the actual reason why we have flight attendants. Um, what kinds of things are happening right now, as far as like the biggest trends you notice happening in air travel, as far as passenger behavior, cabin upgrades, maybe sustainability, are you seeing any kind of, any kinds of trends? Well, in the aviation world itself right now, most aircraft manufacturers are trying to find more innovative ways to make flying a little bit more greener instead of burning hundreds and hundreds of gallons of kerosene while they fly. They're trying to find new, greener ways to do that. So these new aircraft that you're seeing, like the Airbus Neo series of aircraft or the Boeing MAX 737 MAX aircraft, they're a new aircraft. They're much greener. They have more fuel efficient engines. Even down to how they air condition the airplanes saves fuel. So they're doing that, making it out of carbon fiber. I'm seeing, so after COVID, COVID was wild and we're gonna get into that, but COVID is a wild time in the flight attendant world. And we went through this period where like everybody would just happen to be flying again. And then we went through this period of, They were back to their old selves, but far worse than they were. But now we're seeing a definite downturn in passenger numbers right now. The economic state of the world, people aren't traveling as much as they were. So I'm finding the people that are flying these days are definitely much more seasoned flyers, much more familiar with how the process works. I know to you and me, getting on a plane sounds fairly easy, but for some people it's just when they don't do it every day, it's not easy for them. So I'm not seeing a lot of those people, I'm seeing more the business travelers or regular flyers. And just an uptick in people flying the more budget friendly airlines. I know Spirit Spirit hasn't been doing very well and I work for a low cost carrier, but you know, people are definitely opting to fly on us versus on Delta or American United, you know, the legacy carriers or the more full service carriers. We're definitely seeing a shift towards the more budget, the budget flyer to save a little bit of money here and there. Yeah, definitely, definitely. Yeah, this is, it's going to be interesting to see how this shakes out with just all of the, all the things that are going on. So many things. at the same time. Yeah. Lots of things going on in the world. Definitely effect. They've, they have such a ripple effect, you know, it's like you just never know what's going to happen next. Um, is there anything you're excited about? Like, um, as far as innovation with the aircrafts with aircraft? Yeah. I mean, it's, you know, so Airbus recently came out with, um, It was a concept for a more green airplane, a hydrogen powered aircraft, which is far more green than burning kerosene. And they claim that they're going to have the first prototype hopefully in the air by 2030 or 2035. you know, a small timeframe, you know, it's it's hard, you know, you have a car manufacturer that's like, Oh, let's, let's build this kind of car. And from the idea to it being on the road a year or two, but with aircraft, it's so it's so stringent, the design process, the manufacturing, the testing, there's so many moving parts to it, that from a clean sheet of paper to an aircraft actually being in the air can be upwards of 10 years. So they put a short timeframe on it. So I'd like to see, you know, if they are able to do that. And B, you know, if it works, if airlines start buying these aircraft, that are, you know, much better for the environment, much better for the passenger, because the lower the fuel cost, the lower the cost is to us. It all trickles down. Yes. It would be cool to see them that come out with an aircraft like that there's smaller airlines, smaller aircraft manufacturers, are operating electric planes now. So Cape Air is really big up in like New England and the Caribbean. Oh, and they have a whole fleet coming of all electric airplanes. So that's exciting when we get to that, when we get to that point with large commercial aircraft, it would be fun to see if that's something that happens hopefully in my lifetime. I would love to see why not. Yeah. Very cool. Um, what do you think about with the seats? I keep reading about them talking about these, the seat redesigns and configurations. Do you think anything's ever going to come of that? You've seen like the bunk bed ones where there's like, yeah, they're never gonna do that. There's also the stand up one that looks like almost like a roller coaster seat. Yeah. That makes its rounds every few years, and I don't ever see airlines going that direction, but you never know. But we just got all new seats on our airline, and they're thinner, but they've got more padding. They're very nice, but it makes it so that you can fit more people onto the aircraft as comfortably as you can. And then if we ever go to those stand -up seats or those bunk bed -type seats, I might have to pick a new career path. Could you imagine trying to evacuate? Oh, my Lord. Go down the stairs. No, wait, wait for this person to come down the stairs, then you go down the stairs. Because what is it? 90 seconds? 90 seconds. Yep. Okay. Yeah, that would be from being told to evacuate the aircraft to having every passenger off it. We have to be able to do it in 90 seconds. Mm hmm. Speaking, you know, speaking of evacuating the plane, I just read that I don't know what city it happened in, but I just read that a flight attendant accidentally deployed the slide on a Delta flight. Did you hear anything about that? Yeah, it happens. It happens from time to time. I mean, yeah. So when people, people ask us a lot when they When we're done boarding and we close the doors, you hear an announcement that says, you know, flight attendants, prepare doors for departure, cross check and stand by for all call. We usually say it so fast, people are like, alcohol, stand by for alcohol. But what we're actually doing is we're arming the doors so that if the door opens, it's now in emergency mode. That slide is now activated or armed and ready to go. Should we open that door, the slide will deploy. So when people aren't paying attention, if they don't disarm their door, don't disarm their door properly, it's easy to do. Or I've seen people that the poor things are just exhausted and they go to open the door and they forgot that they haven't disarmed their slide. It happens from time to time. again, knock on wood, I've never done that. I really hope I don't. You won't. I have always said though, I want a slide with permission, but not in an emergency. You know what I mean? Like they have to inflate them every few years to make sure that they're still functional. And I said they should raffle off, you know, I can be a perfect attendance, they should raffle off the chance to go to maintenance headquarters and blow a slide. That would be so much fun. That would be fun. Well, you know, you just you just mentioned flight attendants, you know, sometimes making those kinds of mistakes because they're exhausted. Could you tell us a little bit about you? I know you have a program that's near and dear to your heart. And it's for flight attendants. Why don't I let you speak to it? Because I think you're much more eloquent than I am. So yeah, I am the chairperson for the FDAP is what it's called the flight attendant drug and alcohol program at my carrier. It's a it's a program that all the carriers within the United States participate in, and then there's a few international carriers that also participate in it. And it's a program that helps flight attendants who are suffering from substance use disorder or any mental health issues that they might need help with, even eating disorders, gambling disorders, if they came to us, anything really with addiction, that we help them get to treatment, get themselves sober, and then help them maintain long -term survival. So pretty much in a nutshell, the process is they call me, we have a chat, we figure out what's going on with them, we figure out what the best course of action is going to be, and then we get them off to a treatment center that best suits them. While they're in treatment, we get updates, and then when they get home, you know, we make sure that they're going to whatever meeting of whatever recovery program they choose, they're going to those meetings, they're working with sponsors, they're doing all the things and really help guide them through that first year of sobriety, because that first year is really tough. It's a great program. I used it myself. I've been sober for over 10 years now. And I made that middle of the night phone call to my FDAP chair when I was at my previous carrier. So When I came to the carrier I'm at now, and somebody needed to take on that job of running the program here, I absolutely jumped at the chance for it. I absolutely love it. It's a tough job. It's a tough job. And it's hard for people to really talk about addiction in general. But when it comes to our job, you're You're just more prone to it, especially on those layovers when you get to the hotel, there's nothing else to do but have a couple of cocktails with your crew. It becomes very easy to have a couple of cocktails with your crew, and then have a couple of cocktails in the room by yourself later, or one too many cocktails. It's very easy. to fall down that rabbit hole. Though you're surrounded by people all day, every day on the plane, it's still an isolating job at times, especially when you're spending those nights in the hotel by yourself. Because some people don't want to hang out on layovers. We call them slam clickers, where they get to the room, they slam the door shut, and they lock it behind them. So you can spend a long time just chilling by yourself in your room, watching Netflix and eating chicken tendies from the restaurant downstairs. It's an easy slope to slide down the addiction world and the flight attendant industry. Well, it's great to be able to help. Yes. And what a great, it's such, they're so lucky to have you because you're so passionate about it. We've talked about it before. We've talked about it several times and I just think you're the perfect person to be running a program like that. And just with all of your, you know, your experience and your passion, it's, they're very lucky to have you. Thank you, I appreciate that. You're very welcome. Well, I just want to stop and say that if you're enjoying this behind -the -scenes look at life in the skies, make sure to hit that subscribe button so you never miss an episode of Cheryl's Travel Blueprint. We've got more travel insiders coming your way every week. And now we're going to talk a little bit about things that have happened in the sky. We're going to lighten the mood a little bit. And without naming names, What's one of the funniest or strangest passenger moments you've experienced? And if you don't have a passenger experience, you can share a flight attendant experience. Oh, Lord, there's so many. There's so many. I've had a lot of unaccompanied minors. Those are always really interesting. Okay, here's the thing. I don't understand it. And no flight attendant does. Nobody can open the bathroom door on an airplane. I will never grasp it. It's a door. It's a door with a handle. And instructions. And there's instructions on how to open it. It's so funny. We make fun of it all the time. And it's just one of the most common sentences I say at work is, it's the silver handle. Just twist and pull. Yeah, just twist and pull. No, twist and pull. That's one of the more recurring things that I see. As you said earlier, I've had people propose on the airplane before. I've heard of a wedding happening on the airplane, which I would have loved to have seen. That would be a lot of fun. We've done a lot of make -a -wish flights. Those are always a wonderful time. you know, having these these kids that are going through something terrible, and bringing them to whatever it is that their wish was, whether it's dizzy world going on a cruise, we had one kid that wanted to be a flight attendant. So they put him on a really long flight, and they gave him a little tiny uniform and let him do service. I wasn't on that flight. But I've seen it. I've seen the picture of it was so adorable. He was so cute with his little tie and his little vest. It was adorable. That's so cute. Yeah. And then of course the crazies, the crazies that you see on the day -to -day. It's never ending and it makes for good party conversation. It definitely makes it. Oh, I'm sorry. Sorry. I was just going to say that I remember, one of the things that drives me crazy is when people don't even make eye contact with you. You're not, you're not, you don't have a trash bag in your hand and they just take a little, take a cup and just hand it to you. Like, Yeah. Am I not human? What are you doing? Yeah. Or you get to the row when you're cleaning up the plane after the flight's done. And there's just trash everywhere. And you're like, how many times did I come through saying trash, trash, trash items? How many times did they come through? And what happened here is an hour long flight. Exactly. You just I mean, expect it to be kids. And it's not it's it's grown adults. It's grown adults, fully grown humans. Yeah. And I'm sure that since COVID, it's probably gotten better. worse than I mean, because I mean, when I was when I was a flight attendant, it was pre COVID. And it was it was kind of crazy then. And I'm sure it's got there's been peaks and valleys. It just like anything but like, you know, during the pandemic, and the masks were so triggering for people. And it, you know, again, knock on wood, I didn't have anything too crazy happen. But friends of mine, friends of mine did. Um, And for a while there, everybody was super nice when COVID kind of was ending and people were happy to be traveling again. And then they just got even worse than they were before there for a while. But now we're in this period where they're being nice right now. They're not too difficult. It also depends on the city you're going to. A route that I used to work a lot, Denver to LA. awful. Denver to LA is an absolutely terrible route. But then you do like Denver to Des Moines, and they're lovely, you know. Anything Southeast Florida, you know, West Palm Beach, Miami, Fort Lauderdale, any of those, they're challenging. That's that'll be the diplomatic way of putting it. They are challenging. But then you've got your cities that you're like, Oh, I love working those flights. Everybody's so nice. So we bid based on things like that at times. Like my bid, it's no Lauderdale, no Lauderdale, no West Palm Beach at all. I don't want it. You know, I'm just curious if you've noticed this in the short time that I was working as a flight attendant, I noticed that different city pairings had always had different beverage preferences. So you would run out of certain things on one flight where other flights, you just had to know where you were going and be prepared for that. I feel like Austin, I don't remember what the drink was. Like - Austin's beer and whiskey. Beer and whiskey, okay. Beer and whiskey or beer and bourbon. Yeah, definitely that. And then you have your cities, like anything in Utah is more sodas, juices, stuff like that, because they're mostly more, there's not a lot of drinking going on in the state of Utah. And then, Vegas, you're gonna sell your more higher end things like on my airline, we have, you know, what you would consider like a base tequila or a base vodka. And then we have a more higher end version. That's where you're selling more of that stuff. When you're going to Las Vegas, the flight home from Las Vegas, always water. Going there is always a party going home. Always water trying to hydrate. Yeah. Because it's so dry in Las Vegas, right? Yes, absolutely. That and the copious amount of alcohol they've been drinking. Yes. Before we hit our rapid fire round, I'm going to ask you some questions. I love a rapid fire round. Oh, yeah. But I just want to end on a like a happy note. What's a small act of kindness that you've seen on board that stuck with you? young men helping elderly ladies with their bags. Like teenage, like early 20s guys that like help elderly ladies with their bags or help that mom with the baby. And the other thing is now I'm a gay guy, as you know, your viewers may not, but I always say every girl needs her gay, but every straight guy needs his gay. And the biggest piece of advice I have for you guys is don't make your girl sit in the middle seat. Let her have the aisle or let her have the window. I always see that. You know, when I see a guy's like, no babe, I'll sit in the middle. It's like, look at you. Hilary's not dead. Very good advice. Yeah. Okay. Are you ready? I'm ready. This rapid fire round is called clear for takeoff. Okay. All right. Um, so just real, you know, simple questions. The first one's really easy window or aisle depends on the length of the flight, but typically window. Okay. Me too. Window all the way. Yep. Best airport in the world or best airport you've visited. Ooh. Best airport in the world is definitely Singapore Changi. I've not personally been but it's absolutely the best. The best airport I've been to, the smaller ones, the tinier airports. Just don't say Rockford. I don't know if you've ever been to Rockford. You mean the VFW that they turned into an airport? Okay. All right. Next one. Let's see. Worst airport meal. And that could be not airline necessarily, but airport. Yeah. Tuna. Say that again. Don't bring tuna on a plane. Any kind of fish. Any kind of fish or like super, super onion -y sandwich. Does that happen a lot for you? All the time. Yeah. All the time. Yeah. Dream layover destination? Venice. I love Venice. It's one of my favorite cities. Yeah. Getting paid to go to Venice would be amazing. That would be. I would love that. Yeah. Red eye or daytime? Daytime used to be red -eye now. It's daytime. Mm -hmm. I can understand that definitely. Yep The one item every traveler should pack a charger, a portable charger. Yes. That because, oh, that's the worst feeling in the world. That is just horrible. And they're not expensive. They're 20 bucks on Amazon, y 'all. Exactly. You got to have that. You absolutely do. You're right. Turbulence overhyped or real fear? Oh, definitely real fear. Definitely real fear. I mean, the plane is designed to handle turbulence. I'm not, I have no worries about the plane itself getting through the turbulence. But if you're not buckled in, or you're up and about and that turbulence happens, you can get really hurt. I've got a girlfriend that's been out of work for over two years now because she got hurt in turbulence. Yeah, it's not anything to mess around with. Right. And I feel like it's probably more dangerous for the flight attendants for a couple of reasons. Number one, you know, they're walking, they might be heading, doing service and turbulence hits. So they don't have that option to be buckled in the whole time. Um, and so, and it can come out of nowhere. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And we've definitely seen lots of stories of, um, of that kind of thing happening. We've seen lots of videos with that. So, so we're not being jerks telling you to put your seatbelt on. I promise we're not doing it to be mean. We're doing it because that turbulence can come out of nowhere and, you know, one minute you're in your seat, the next minute you're on the ceiling, and then the next second you're smashed down into the floor. Yeah, absolutely. Well, Dave, I want to thank you so, so much for giving us a peek behind the curtain. I think our listeners... Of course, thank you for having me. Oh, you know, it was such a pleasure. You were the first person I thought of when I wanted to do this episode. So... Aw, thank you. Of course. And I think our viewers and listeners will never board a plane the same way again. And I hope that all of your passengers are kind and treat you well, because they've got a great flight. so they should treat you like royalty. Oh, thank you. You're so sweet. And speaking of travel from a new perspective, next week I'll be joined by Carson Wagner from Lifetime of Love Nannies, where we'll talk all about family travel from flying with toddlers to keeping kids entertained abroad. So don't forget to subscribe to Cheryl's Travel Blueprint wherever you listen to podcasts and keep exploring the world one journey at a time. Don't forget to subscribe.