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The Healthy Wealth Experience - Where Financial Success Meets Personal Wellbeing
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The tricky part is that oftentimes states of depression, anxiety, of mental stress, the tendency is to self isolate, Is to push other people away, is to want to deal with things on our own in our own little silo. But oftentimes that just makes things worse.
Chris Hall:Hello, this is Chris Hall, and welcome to Healthy Wealth. For those of you guys who have been following me, this was started out as the Reading Financial Advisors podcast. But as I've moved on, I realized that I really do want to, talk about things that to do with health and wealth, and that I really truly believe that you cannot be wealthy unless you are also healthy. You can have all the money in the world, but if you don't feel good about yourself and you don't feel good about your your body doesn't feel good, then you're not gonna you're not gonna do well either. So this gives me a little bit more advantage to talk to different people.
Chris Hall:I'm extremely excited to announce my next guest, which is, doctor Jimmy Molley, and he is gonna tell you a little bit about himself. But, just really happy to have him on board, and we're gonna talk a little bit about mental health and we're also gonna talk about, I'm assuming concussions and things like that as well. Right?
Dr. Jimmy Moley:Sounds good. Yeah.
Chris Hall:Thank you
Dr. Jimmy Moley:for having me.
Chris Hall:Alright. I'll give you I'll give you some time to talk about your opening. Give me a little bit about yourself, please.
Dr. Jimmy Moley:Absolutely. So my name is Jimmy Molley. I'm a private adult and sports psychiatrist, and my practice is based in Independence, Ohio, just outside of Cleveland. And I kinda have a variety of educational backgrounds. I started off at the University of Notre Dame, and then moved on to Ohio State for my medical school and residency education.
Dr. Jimmy Moley:It was at that point that I really developed an interest in sports and performance psychiatry, so thinking about high performing athletes and professionals, executives and that sort of thing. Developed just a special interest in that and went on to get an additional certificate of training in sports psychiatry and decided to open my private practice straight out of residency. So did that in July of twenty twenty four, things are going really well and I'm excited to continue to talk about mental health topics, especially like you said, in areas such as financial wealth that maybe we haven't thought about them as traditionally in the past, right? But are starting to realize how it can be so important to thriving really in all aspects of life.
Chris Hall:What led you towards this particular, you know, angle? I mean, obviously, you know, mental health is huge, but like why specifically did you go after sports? Did you, you have a sports background or?
Dr. Jimmy Moley:So I do, you know, my growing up actually my family, we're pretty much all coaches. So I was involved in sports from a young age. I played sports for a long time and actually worked as a sports broadcaster for a few years before going into medical school.
Chris Hall:You absolutely have a sports broadcaster's voice,
Dr. Jimmy Moley:no doubt. Oh, thank you. So, I've been around athletes and in athletic cultures pretty much my whole life. So I knew going into medical school that I wanted to work with athletes. Originally I thought that was gonna be one of the more maybe traditional pathways, sports medicine, orthopedic surgery.
Dr. Jimmy Moley:But then I came across my psychiatry rotation and really loved way I was able to connect. And other specialties I think certainly have a lot of advantages, and for some people that makes the most sense. But for me, being able to relate to people on a personal level to affect mental health, and I really felt make a deeper connection with the people I was helping and really made a world of difference. So once I realized that we could do that, you know, in a more athletic executive atmosphere, that that's pretty much what sold me and, there was no looking back after that.
Chris Hall:Nice. Now do you currently work with anybody at Ohio State? Any of the programs there?
Dr. Jimmy Moley:I do. So I I have a number of relationships that I developed. I I was there for, you know, a little over eight years and and still have a close relationship with a lot of the folks down in Columbus. And it's nice. You know, I'm in Cleveland, so not too far away.
Dr. Jimmy Moley:And and, you know, a lot of big sports culture, I'd say in both Cleveland and Columbus. So it's been good to, you know, become immersed. And I'm originally from Cleveland, so so get back home and and get in in areas that are very familiar, but but very exciting.
Chris Hall:Nice. That's awesome. I remember so it was years ago when I became a financial adviser, it'd be nine years ago. I remember reading a book called Ten Minute Toughness. Are you familiar with that book?
Chris Hall:I am. Yes. Yeah. So that was really similar. He was a sports psychologist, and he had worked with the Saint Louis Cardinals.
Chris Hall:And they were, I guess, pretty terrible. And then after working with them for, like, a year or two, they won back to back World Series championships. And so I feel like that's really, like, undersold the mental part of athletics, you know what I mean? Like we really don't do too much for that. So what do you do with your clients to kinda like make sure that they're bolstered in that area?
Dr. Jimmy Moley:Right, right. You know, I think it's really a few major buckets. So one of the things that we work on a lot is performance optimization, right? So how do we use primarily psychotherapy techniques and different things like that to really work on elevating performance. So we're not necessarily talking about mental health issues as much as we am kinda elevating the mental side and thinking about mental health not necessarily as something to fix, but something to enhance and use as an asset in the performance realm.
Dr. Jimmy Moley:So that's definitely one side. We also know too that high performers and athletes specifically often struggle more so with certain types of mental illness. What comes to mind a lot is different forms of substance use, rates of PTSD are actually much higher, ADHD, and then some mood and anxiety disorders. So we know there's probably something about the type of work in athletes and executives that maybe lends itself a little bit more to certain illnesses. So there's also the aspect of managing that with either medications, therapy or a combination of both.
Chris Hall:Okay, now you mentioned a few times executives now. So did that kind of morph in because they're so similar in the way that they act or was that always the plan for you to be also working with executives?
Dr. Jimmy Moley:You know, it really kind of evolved naturally, I'd say. So I started off with the interest in athletics and came to quickly realize, like you mentioned, the extraordinarily high number of overlapping traits and qualities that it takes to be a high performing executive, and how that relates to athletics, right? So you talk about the dedication, the drive, the almost sole focus right on the craft lends itself off into success, but at the same time, maybe can create some issues mentally especially, right, that need to be addressed. So I think there's tons of overlap there, and I think that my work with one group definitely complements the other as well.
Chris Hall:Nice, nice, okay. Can you tell us like maybe a story or two about some people that you've worked with and situations that you've managed?
Dr. Jimmy Moley:Yeah, absolutely. So I'll give you probably a few kind of the more common things that I get presented with over the course of time here, everything obviously depersonalized for privacy reasons, but I would say the number one topic is probably performance anxiety and related anxieties. I think the way we view anxiety as a society, think has shifted over the years, right? So I think in the past anxiety and the term was always something to run away from, right? To avoid at all costs and being anxious was often seen as a sign of weakness, I think for a long time, right?
Chris Hall:Right.
Dr. Jimmy Moley:I think what we're learning now with the more recent research though, is that anxiety often creates an activation of our nervous system and allows us to have an edge, It allows us to be prepared and to to kind of think through all of the possibilities and to really engage and lock in. You think of an athlete right before a big competition, right? You want some level of anxiety. The trick really though with that is figuring out when that anxiety crosses the line and when we need to work on it, right? We want a healthy amount of anxiety without it actually inhibiting your performance.
Dr. Jimmy Moley:So maybe before you're going into a board meeting or meeting with a client, right? If you wanna be ready, you wanna be on edge, but we wanna make that knot so that it doesn't really impair your focus and impair your ability to sustain attention really lock in, right? So that's probably the number one thing, is trying to find that line and it's tricky, It's up to each individual to kinda sit down and think about maybe where their anxiety comes from and then how it's developed over the course of their life. What are triggers? What are things that help soothe them?
Dr. Jimmy Moley:So I'm a big fan of coming up with very holistic treatment plans too. So we think about all the ways, not just with medications or therapy, But how to diet and exercise and all of these things affect mental health is, I think has to be part of the conversation.
Chris Hall:Okay, I like that. Yeah, my son is a nationally rated long snapper in high school. He's going into his senior year. We just went to a showcase recently and he's literally snapping in front of, let's call it, 20 division one coaches who are just standing there watching his snaps. I mean, him and you know, there was, like, a few other kids there too.
Chris Hall:But I just thought, man, that must just feel like such pressure. And I was really surprised at how he handles that pressure. Like, he really just kinda just gets in his groove and does his own thing. He has a good snap, and maybe he has a not so good snap, and he just keeps plugging away. Think it's pretty cool.
Chris Hall:Practice, I think, is huge. The fact that he's confident because he does a lot of practice, but one of the things that I was kind of it was just kind of something I noticed was and again, I think you're the reason I mentioned this is because you had said something regarding it. But like we would go to a certain showcase where they would put out a target and like you had to get it inside this red target. And for some reason, man, he would hit the side of that target. Like, you know, if the box is here, he would literally hit the box, but not inside.
Chris Hall:But he would nail it, like, almost every time. He just had, in my opinion, some type of mental block that kept him away from going in that target. Because if you took the target away and put a human being there and said, hey, hit me right here, no problem. So it is kind of interesting how like, thank God that when they play football, that there's not a target back there, there's actually a human being back there because, you know, he has a hard time with that. But that is interesting to me, like, could just kinda see it.
Chris Hall:Like, he's so well prepared and so mentally there. And the minute you stick a target in front of him it's like, oh, well, this isn't gonna go super great. Anyway, but can you speak to that? Kinda like what that looks like for you?
Dr. Jimmy Moley:You make a really good point, and I think there's probably certain sports in certain positions, and maybe even in everyday too, that lends itself more to that type of issue, right? So I think lung snapping, right, is an excellent example, because it's more of a singular repetitive motion, right? So we see this a lot in more individual type sports, right? Especially I think of like golfers, right, is a big one, with kind of the mental game beyond that, behind that and you think, know, even high profile examples on the PGA tour, right, and you get in major tournaments and certain holes, certain situations, right, certain courses that seem to have some sort of mental block, right? Pitchers are probably another one where we see it very commonly, and you know, we can think of all kinds of examples, you know, at the major leagues of players that have really struggled and just seem to hit a certain point where the mental side just seems to take over, and probably the other most common is maybe field goal kickers, right?
Dr. Jimmy Moley:In the NFL or college level that really just seem to struggle and you know, it's tough because there's such pressure and such intensity. Even like to bring it back to the example with your son, right? You think about, you know, if he's thinking in the moment with each snap, like what's on the line with college and in future, it can become overwhelming, right, really quickly. So it's how do we channel that? How do we, you know, really stay present and mindful in the moment enough to rely on the practice and the repetition to overcome those challenges?
Chris Hall:No, I'm not a doctor. One of the things I kinda always try to tell my kids when they were growing up in the coach, I also coach football, so I try to tell them as well. But I say there's a fine line between like anxiety and excitement. And it's kinda like it's really how you're internalizing that emotion. And so would you agree with that or would you kinda say like no anxiety is clearly anxiety?
Dr. Jimmy Moley:No, think anxiety or excitement is a good way to phrase it. Think that it's a way to describe a state where you're focused, you're locked in, you're fully present in the moment, right? And you're not gonna feel that way when you're sitting at home right eating breakfast, There's something different about it that creates that state, and there's a lot of advantages to that, right? Like I said, that's what allows you to be locked in and to perform your best. So I think, you know, however you want to phrase it, I think it makes sense to try to reach that kind of locked in almost like a psychological state of flow, right?
Chris Hall:Where
Dr. Jimmy Moley:you kind of reach that point where you're just firing on all cylinders. But how do we, you know, reach that point? How do we learn to recognize it? And figure out, you know, what leads us there is the million dollar question, right?
Chris Hall:Yeah. Well, I mean, that's what you get paid for. Right? Are there a few are there a few kind of techniques or things like that that you can kind of say are more universal that people, you know, maybe listening to the podcast or watching it could go, oh yeah, that I I have that issue and, you know, is there something like again, like, you know, going back to what you said, like, a lot of golfers, right, people who play golf not necessarily good at it, they get on Hole Number 6 and they're like, man, I hate this hole, I always go in the water. Because there's some like techniques that you can use with those.
Dr. Jimmy Moley:Right, you know, one of the most common that became popular amongst MLB pitchers probably about five to six years ago was the idea of paced breathing and diaphragmatic breathing. And what that means is ways to control your breath as a way to stay present and mindful in the moment, right?
Chris Hall:Okay.
Dr. Jimmy Moley:It also probably has biologically an effect on your nervous system, it's able to kinda calm down some of that excitement and that activation. So like the most common that I'm sure some of our listeners have heard of it is called box breathing, right? Where you, yeah, you inhale for four seconds, hold it for four seconds, exhale for four seconds, and then hold that for four seconds. That's, you know, there's actually very good scientific evidence, that that is able to kinda reduce some of that tension in the nervous system and allow us to to become re centered and refocused. So, you know, whether it's back breathing and there's plenty of other techniques or different paced breathing, different grounding techniques, but that's probably the most common to recenter and and really lock in in those moments.
Chris Hall:What sports did you play growing up?
Dr. Jimmy Moley:So I played a little bit of everything. Did some basketball, football, volleyball for a bit, and then baseball, but as a younger kid.
Chris Hall:You, are you athletic now? Do you go out and play sports with your friends and stuff like that just for fun?
Dr. Jimmy Moley:I do. Yeah. Recreationally. It's definitely, something that is important to me to stay active and engaged.
Chris Hall:Yeah. What's your, kinda go to on that?
Dr. Jimmy Moley:Probably basketball. Yeah. Just down at the rec center. Yeah. It's been good.
Dr. Jimmy Moley:Nice.
Chris Hall:That's cool. Yeah. Basketball's great cardio.
Dr. Jimmy Moley:Right. Right. There's there's I think too, what we're seeing in older adults too, like there's a there's a social element too. Right? There's a a way to to kinda stay connected with people, stay active, and there's a lot of benefits for mental health as well.
Chris Hall:Right, I've actually just been working on time blocking and just finding different places where I can do certain things. One of the things that I try to add in to my latest time block was like a Friday morning pickleball thing where because I know pickleball is getting really popular and I played it a few times, I enjoy it. It's pretty good cardio, but you're not, like, running all over the place. You know, you're just kinda staying within a box and, you know, getting lots of bursts and stuff. So I I I've enjoyed it, but I just feel like it's really I think and that kinda goes into the healthy wealth thing.
Chris Hall:Right? So remember so I'll just give you a quick story about me. So when I started in this business, I started a different broker dealer and I was there for eight years. And I remember, like, right away, I was, like, working really hard. I was looking I was working 6AM to 6PM Monday through Friday and then working half days on Saturdays.
Chris Hall:And I was just I was, like, just constantly knocking on doors, calling people. I was just doing, you know, whatever I needed to do. And I remember I got pretty big pretty fast. Like, I I was really, you know, growing the business, but I also noticed I was also growing. Like, my body was getting bigger.
Chris Hall:I was getting fatter. And I realized, like, I'm gonna be, like, 50 years old and I'm gonna be dead, you know. Like, I might have a lot of money, but I'll be dead. So I need to figure this out. And so I stopped.
Chris Hall:What should I say? I just stopped. I just started working on like, I would go to the gym three days a week in the morning. And, yeah, that got me to work a little bit later in the day, but I felt like I was even more productive because of it. So that's why I think like for you, like what you're talking about with like, you know, coaching executives as well is, you know, taking care of their mental health but also taking care of their regular health, you know goes a long way towards you know, making them a productive boss.
Chris Hall:So would you agree with that?
Dr. Jimmy Moley:Oh absolutely, yeah. I think that we're learning more and more that mental acuity and mental focus relies on physical well-being, right? And I think if you know, it's hard to retrain though, because like you said, you get in that mindset of just staying on the grind, and that more hours equals more productivity. And that mindset is hard to shake, and especially when you're doing, when you're being successful and you're growing a business or you're you know, advancing through your company, that that's a difficult thing to to shake off. And I think it almost requires some buy in, Some some commitment to say, hey, I'm gonna stick with this for, I don't know whether it's thirty, sixty, ninety days, right?
Dr. Jimmy Moley:And and to look over the long haul and say, maybe I am you know, not being the healthiest version of me and and how is that showing up? Because we're not just doing it, you know, for the sake of doing it. Right? You're doing it so that you can be even more productive and even healthier for a longer stretch of time. Right?
Dr. Jimmy Moley:Right. Your pattern may have been successful for, I don't know, however long, right, things were going for. But maybe in the long run, that that wasn't gonna lead to maybe more burnout or more just mental fatigue. Right? So Right.
Dr. Jimmy Moley:Kinda realizing that that, you know, you are serving the ultimate goal of being the most productive, happiest, healthiest version of yourself. It just may look a little different than than what you've traditionally thought of.
Chris Hall:Yeah. Do you, so like when you meet with executives and athletes, so like that, do you kind of meet them where they're at? Do they come into the office? How does that normally look for you?
Dr. Jimmy Moley:Yeah. So most often I like to do, in person meetings when possible, but I do offer, virtual sessions. So we do kind of a full medical evaluation. Think big believer in the idea of we need to examine the whole body, right, and be very holistic about things. We know that there's a lot of medical illnesses that affect mental health.
Dr. Jimmy Moley:You know, just like as an example, like a lot of people come in concerned for ADHD, right, especially as an adult. You know, thinking about maybe there's medical reasons behind this too. We know that like sleep apnea, right, is major cause of attention problems in adults. So you know, trying to think holistically, rule certain things out, and then really dive in with a personalized unique treatment plan.
Chris Hall:So do you, what do you know or think about the whole MTHFR genes and stuff like that? Do you guys do genetic testing to find out if they've got some issues with that?
Dr. Jimmy Moley:You know, it's a mixed bag, honestly, with the genetic testing. Think we've come a long way in how we understand, genetic testing. And I'd say what's really advanced is we know how our bodies break down medications. That's a big one and how medications interact with the body. So there are circumstances where if someone's on multiple medications, we may look at their enzyme makeup and how that all gets broken down.
Dr. Jimmy Moley:I will say as part of mental health that can be kind of frustrating is I think we're a little ways away from those being very predictive in terms of which medications are going to work or how your body gets affected by certain things. I don't think we're quite there yet. Now, it doesn't mean we won't be, especially, you know, you think about AI uses and and ways to to look at large data sets, especially like genetic data. But I I don't think it's part of regular practice quite yet, but it doesn't mean it can't be soon.
Chris Hall:Okay. And you feel like, so what's like the go to medication these days for someone who does have like an anxiety?
Dr. Jimmy Moley:So for medication wise, the gold standard is still what we call an SSRI or an SNRI. So you've probably in the listeners I'm sure have heard of some or seen the commercials Zoloft, Prozac, Lexapro are all very common options. FDA approved this So know those medications though, they're used over the long haul, So they take effect over probably weeks to months as opposed to days. So I'm a big believer in that we'd, you know, really need to pair medications with therapy. Because I think, you know, understanding anxiety is the key to eventually working through it.
Dr. Jimmy Moley:I think the human tendency, like I mentioned before, is to run away from it, to avoid it. But oftentimes that leads to it just boiling over eventually, right? You can only bury that sort of thing I think for too long, and then it comes back. So I think if you pair that with therapy, the medication maybe makes you a little bit more available to talk in therapy and work through those issues. That's I think probably the best way to combine those two modalities.
Chris Hall:Do you find, I mean, your goal ultimately then to get people like maybe on the medication sort of stabilize them, but then ultimately through therapy and working through their issues, get them off of the medications?
Dr. Jimmy Moley:That is the goal, very frequently. I mean I think understandably most people are very hesitant, especially with mental health medications, right, for a lot of reasons. And from a provider standpoint, medications all have risk for side effects, They all have potentially long term negative consequences. So it's important to be honest and upfront about what those are. And I always share my goal is to do the most with the least, right?
Dr. Jimmy Moley:So if we can maximize therapy and we can maximize maybe get your sleep rate, your sleep schedule right, get you exercising more, you know, fix up your diet, then maybe we don't even need medications or just maybe for a short time. So I think that that's always the goal.
Chris Hall:And I think you had mentioned like the sleep schedule has a lot to do with ADHD and stuff like that. Like what do you typically, what are your kind of like go to points on how to get people's sleep schedule where they want it, you know, where they should be?
Dr. Jimmy Moley:Right, right. Sleep's one of those things that just has so many wide ranging effects, right? You think about everything on a day to day basis pretty much gets touched by your sleep. And we're learning more and more as the research goes along. So what I always like to start with is capturing data.
Dr. Jimmy Moley:Right? We wanna be data driven. So we wanna take a look at when you're sleeping at night, when you're falling asleep, you know, when you're waking up. So if we build a pattern, we can look at it analytically, kinda pick out where things are going wrong, and then address it. I mean, there's a lot of good therapies out there for sleep.
Dr. Jimmy Moley:There's some medications I think that can be useful in the right purposes. There's vitamins, supplements, all sorts of different kind of more natural, ways to address that. So I think, you know, sleep's one of those things that I think often gets overlooked or put on the back burner, but we're learning more and more that it has really wide ranging effects.
Chris Hall:Okay, what are some good supplements out there? I mean I'd have heard of melatonin which actually from what I understand is actually a hormone, is that correct?
Dr. Jimmy Moley:It is, yeah. It's a sort of you know, vitamin kind of ish compound and it you know, it works really primarily by regulating someone's circadian rhythm. So it's actually best taken on a consistent basis two to three hours before someone wants to fall asleep. And you know, it really is best to kind of that long term regulation. It's not something that you're gonna become physically dependent on or something that you know, is going to make you, you know, drop over is the five minutes after you take it, right?
Dr. Jimmy Moley:But over time can definitely help in pretty natural way with very minimal risk.
Chris Hall:Okay. All right, very cool. So again, were at Ohio State, obviously they just won the national championship in football. So were you able to in any way, shape or form be at that game or?
Dr. Jimmy Moley:As I actually was, and I had the, I had the unique perspective having went to both Notre Dame and Ohio State. So it was a pretty cool experience. So it
Chris Hall:was great. Was it hard to root?
Dr. Jimmy Moley:You know, I I grew up in Cleveland, grew up a Buckeye fan, so that that's kinda the way I went Yeah. Was kind of a no lose situation, at least.
Chris Hall:That's pretty cool. I like that. Yeah.
Dr. Jimmy Moley:It was it was awesome.
Chris Hall:Let let's see. So when it comes to your background, you've been in your medical practice, you said since '24. Right?
Dr. Jimmy Moley:Yes. Yes. I'm coming on by a year right now.
Chris Hall:Okay. And then you you're you have a partner in your practice? Is that is that what I read?
Dr. Jimmy Moley:No. Yeah. It's just me. So the relatively unique step of of going straight private after residency.
Chris Hall:I I'm so sorry. I thought I read something about being a co founder of it. So
Dr. Jimmy Moley:No. Yeah. It's maybe eventually down the road, but for now, it's it's it's me. No.
Chris Hall:I mean, my name of my company is Reading Financial Advisors, and at this point, it's just me as well. But I just wanted to be able to be able to bring somebody on if I wanted to down the road and, know, that kind of thing. So that's very cool. So Right. Right.
Chris Hall:So if someone wanted to get in touch with you or talk to you about more about this kind of a thing, like what would be the best way to to get ahold of you? And I'll make sure to put links to your your stuff in the in the podcast so people can see it.
Dr. Jimmy Moley:Yeah. Absolutely. So my website's the easiest place to get more information. There's also a form on there too, you can fill out and if you're interested in having more of an in-depth conversation. The website is jimmy, j I m m y, moleym0leymd.com.
Chris Hall:Okay, so within obviously you wanna individualize patient care and talk to people about their their situations, you know, one of that one off, you know, custom stuff like that. But like, what are like, just like two or three things that you could have somebody like, you know, you say, listen, I don't even need to meet you. I just know that, yep, in general, Americans or whoever need to have these three things that would help both with their mental acuity, their mental health, their anxiety, etcetera. Like, what what would you name those? Like, just give me like three things that you think that everybody in America probably needs a little bit more of.
Dr. Jimmy Moley:Sure, sure. So I'm a big believer in physical movement and physical exercise. You know, we've already touched on it briefly, but I really think, you know, the more we learn that that is oftentimes more effective than a lot of the medications we prescribe, to be honest with you. Think it, we know that based on the hormones that get released and the muscle breakdown and things like that, there's just tremendous benefit for mental health and pretty much regardless of what the issue is, whether it's anxiety, ADHD, depression, even more, you know, what we might consider quote unquote more serious mental illness like bipolar, schizophrenia, that all exercise just has universal benefit, across the board. Always recommend that.
Chris Hall:Do do you, based on studies and things like that, do you care what kind of exercise it is? Should it be cardiovascular? Should it be anaerobic, aerobic, heavy lifting, light lifting?
Dr. Jimmy Moley:It's a good question. And you know, I would say the research so far has been pretty conclusive that it really does not matter. It really what matters more is the intensity and the time. So, you know, the American Heart Association recommends one hundred and fifty minutes a week of moderate to high intensity workout rate. So that's kind of the loose guideline that I like to follow, but you know, that looks different for everybody.
Dr. Jimmy Moley:So I would say wherever you're at in your kind of fitness, physical health journey, that even a little bit of increase, would go probably a long way, towards that. So it's like even though you mentioned with
Chris Hall:home and they can't, I'm sorry, go ahead.
Dr. Jimmy Moley:Oh no, you're fine. Go ahead.
Chris Hall:So even if people are out and about, like, they can't get out of the house, they're, like, maybe homebound or they're not super, you know, movable. Like, even those people can find things to do, resistance exercise with bands and, you know, I mean, I I actually I don't it's I think it was Herschel Walker. It was Herschel Walker who used to do, like, a thousand push ups and a thousand air squats, like, every day and a thousand sit ups. Like, every day, he didn't even go to the gym. I don't know if you remember what Herschel Walk looked like, but he he was a machine.
Chris Hall:So Right. I think that that, you know, you can get exercise wherever you want it. You know, and I think that what you've gotten to is like, you know, you play basketball because it's also fun, it's communal. I think that's a huge part too, but I do think that people do need to move their bodies. What would be a one for you?
Dr. Jimmy Moley:I actually just hit on it there briefly, is the social connectedness, right?
Chris Hall:And it's
Dr. Jimmy Moley:the relationship aspect of what it means to be a person in society. And I think the tricky part is that oftentimes states of depression, anxiety, of mental stress, the tendency is to self isolate, Is to push other people away, is to want to deal with things on our own in our own little silo. But oftentimes that just makes things worse, right? You know, we look at a lot of studies, especially among younger people that the level of social connectedness, there's a direct correlation with happiness scales, with, you know, less rates of depression. So I think we're learning more and more and we've always probably intuitively known that you know, interpersonal connection is really the key to a lot of things.
Chris Hall:Yeah. Yeah. You know, I think I just read this the other day too, is that, you know, they talk about the blue zones. Are you familiar with the blue zones? Mhmm.
Chris Hall:So they've thought for a long time that the blue zones might have, you know, so much to do with diet. And now they're they're actually really kind of repurposing that and saying that they think it has to do more with those areas have very good communal aspects that people do hang out together and they do they don't sit in their houses and watch TV all day. They actually move around and talk to each other and hang out, like, at cafes, and and they have more of a communal aspect. So so I think that's yeah. Think that's right on the money.
Chris Hall:You know, people need to they need to be in a community. And, you know, obviously, the church has really done a very good job with that. You know, they they, you know, they not only bring people in on Sundays, but they try to get them to small groups, and they try to get them to home groups, and they and I do think that that helps a lot of people in that situation to have people to talk to and have people to maybe vent a little bit. That's really good, I appreciate that. What would be like the thing?
Dr. Jimmy Moley:Hey, you know, we already touched on I think mindfulness briefly. So I think we've covered a lot of that. I'd like to talk just a little bit about diet too and what we bring into our Right. We know that, you know, I think it's always known that intuitively you want to eat healthy. Right.
Dr. Jimmy Moley:Again, the impact on mental state, I think really can't be can't be understated. I think, you know, in terms of fueling our body, fueling our mind and being able to function well and diet is so big. Right. And a lot of times, you know, it's too, it affects how medications affect us. It affects how much energy we have, how much sleep we're able to get and talk about as really being a cornerstone.
Dr. Jimmy Moley:I think something that needs to be addressed.
Chris Hall:Yeah. I think that, that's really, really insightful. And I feel like that food can either be medicine or poison. And sometimes it's what you eat, but sometimes it's a dose too. Right?
Chris Hall:So that's that's really good. Are there any specific things food wise that you think, like, people should kinda stay away from? You know, obviously, there's a whole list of there's an argument. Right? There's the the people who are still with the food pyramid and they think that you should do these things and not these things.
Chris Hall:And then there's the other people who are like the food pyramid was never supposed to be a good thing and, you know, so they're like full fat, these guys are non fat, these guys are low carb, these guys are full carb, know. So like what are your thoughts on like how that works for the mental side of things, what would you recommend?
Dr. Jimmy Moley:Yeah, know, because I think the medical community as a whole I think tends to shy away from more of the extreme trends, especially in the dieting world, and there's a lot that gets baked into that. There's a lot of advertising and media influence and social media especially, I think really when it comes down to it, you wanna eat a well balanced, healthy diet. You want to be able to fuel yourself, avoid processed foods as much as possible, and really I think just try to create a well balanced diet where you get pretty wide balance of nutritional needs. I think, and tend to shy away from, like I said, kind of specific diets, specific dietary plans, because everyone is a little bit different too, right? Sure.
Dr. Jimmy Moley:So I think really, just a focus on kind of what makes sense for each individual person, making small incremental gains, will go a lot farther than saying everyone needs to adhere to a specific type of plan or a specific dietary regimen.
Chris Hall:Yeah, I had a guy on the show a few weeks ago that he was a big proponent of the carnivore diet, and I know that's really gaining a lot of popularity. So what's had been popular for a long time, it was originally called Atkins. And then it was keto, and then it was South Beach, and now it's, you know, carnivores like so it's just different variations of like no carbohydrate or low carbohydrate. So I do know that, like, I've noticed that for me specifically, like, I'm, like, practically, like, allergic to carbohydrates. So, like, if I eat carbohydrates, I'm in a I don't feel good.
Chris Hall:I'm inflamed. I don't I I just really don't do well. And then if I eat carbohydrates, I usually gain weight. Maybe it's water weight, maybe it's regular weight, I'm not sure. For me, but it's funny, I've noticed, like, specifically, like, women.
Chris Hall:If women go to, like, a a non carbohydrate diet, they do not do well. Like, they're I would say, like, in general, that feels like their mental acuity doesn't doesn't isn't as good. And I know that that's a general rule, and, I won't get, you know, totally beat up in the comments on that. I'm just saying it's not a general rule. I'm just saying in my personal experience and of a few that it seems like they don't do well without carbohydrates.
Chris Hall:Do you feel like that's a a thing that's scientifically kind of got some background to it, or is that just me with the people that I know?
Dr. Jimmy Moley:Well, I think your point that it's all very individual based. Right? Think that that makes a lot of sense.
Chris Hall:Good save. I mean,
Dr. Jimmy Moley:I think for some people, right, it probably affects everyone differently. And everybody has a different relationship with food, There's an emotional side of eating and kind of using food as a way to cope and things like that and cultural elements of food. So I really think it is really just kind of on that individual level. So meeting people where they're at, understanding where we can make maybe 10% improvements in diet just goes a long way towards kind of improving mental and physical health. Yeah.
Dr. Jimmy Moley:Do you have any kids?
Chris Hall:Married or anything?
Dr. Jimmy Moley:Married, no kids yet.
Chris Hall:Okay. So we're gonna fast forward, you have a couple of kids. They're five, they're six years old, they wanna play sports. Are we specifically moving them to a certain kind of a sport? Are we trying to guide them into a sport?
Chris Hall:Or are we just like, hey, whatever you wanna do is fine? Or what does that look like for you guys?
Dr. Jimmy Moley:You know, think what we're learning, and this kinda speaks to a lot of things, is that kinda specifying a sport early on and kind of really staying really specific oftentimes is not helpful. Kind of having that wide range of activities and getting exposed to a lot of different skill sets and athletic environments can really be really helpful. I think, like the classic example I think used is like Roger Federer played like basically every single sport growing up. And it just, you learn different skills from different sports. So I think that allows you to explore, especially at a young age like that.
Chris Hall:Probably helps with your mental toughness too because the different the differences in anxiety are are, you know, sports sport. Right. There are certain moments, like in baseball. I played a little bit of baseball growing up, but football was my main sport. When I was playing baseball, you know, I always said, like, there was when it was three when there was bases loaded and you were down and there's, you know, three three balls and two strikes and two outs, like, there's some people who really wanna be at the plate, and there's other people who are like, no way, not ever.
Chris Hall:And, like, I was a guy who I wanted to be at bat. I wanted to be at I wanted to be that guy who hit the ball. You know, but I know that other people don't wanna do that, you know, so it's kinda like it kinda I think it helps you, like, overcome that anxiety, you know, for long term as well. You now, Urban Meyer. Right?
Chris Hall:Urban Meyer, he's that was his big thing too. He would say that, like, 80% of his I think it was 80 or 90% of his scholar his scholarship athletes, he would he would say played two or more sports in high school. He was a big fan of like multiple sports and he didn't like these guys. I mean, didn't say he didn't like them, but he preferred people who had range. He didn't want people who had been like, you know, like, you know, I know people who have had their kids in, you know, tackle football since they were five when the helmet looks like a big old bobblehead, you know, and they and they're doing that, and it's like they played nothing but that.
Chris Hall:And I have another, you know, parents I know that have had their kids in travel ball since they were six, and they travel three or four hours every weekend to go play. And it's like, I just and I I remember I coached flag football for a really long time, and we would always kinda bump into travel ball kids. And it was like, you know, hey, I can't be I can't be at the game on the fourth on the fourth Saturday because we're all in a big tournament in Reno. And I'm like, it's football season. Like, what are you playing baseball for?
Chris Hall:But they never stopped playing. So I'm actually not a huge fan of the year round sports, regardless of the sport. I'm a big football guy, but I don't think that football should be year round. I think that excuse me. I think football players should play basketball.
Chris Hall:I think football players should play should run track. You know, I do feel that way. So I I I'm on board with you and and coach Urban Meyer, I'm pretty on board with that too, so. Yeah. Yeah, well, that's great.
Chris Hall:Well, before we cut out here, is there anything else that you wanna talk about, anything that you wanna mention, or?
Dr. Jimmy Moley:Yeah, I guess as a general theme, I always like to kinda push forward the idea that I think the way we see mental health is changing, and I think needs to change, and it'll shift more from thinking about it as something to fix, or something to deal with, or something that only is worth paying attention to when it goes wrong, to how do we think about it more and is it using it as an advantage, right? How do we gain a competitive edge with mental health? And how do we use it as a tool in the toolkit, not just something that could go wrong? So more of a preventative enhancement type of way, I think could go a long way whether you're an athlete, an executive, or really anybody looking to achieve a goal. I think that you using the mental health aspect to help you reach that goal can be very important.
Chris Hall:Now besides one on one, you have like, are you working on any books or do you have your own podcast or anything like that? Where can people get more information from you besides obviously calling the office and making an appointment?
Dr. Jimmy Moley:Right, yeah, I've done a fair number of podcast appearances here, also working a research scientific research project on artificial intelligence and how do we use that to enhance mental health. So there'll be a paper coming out on that soon. So, all coming up and stuff. Yeah, no, I think we're learning that, you know, a lot of the like wearable devices and a lot of kind of data like that can be fed into these large language models. Really exciting technology ways that we can both predict future performance and and also look to enhance it.
Dr. Jimmy Moley:So, you know, like real time feedback of of different techniques and and understanding things is really, really exciting.
Chris Hall:So I actually would like to dig into that Mhmm. A little bit if you don't mind. So are we talking about, like like, you say wearables? Like, I know that my my son's football team, they wear catapults. Do you are you familiar with those?
Chris Hall:Mhmm. So is that the kind of device you're talking about? Is there something more like more EEG, EKG type stuff that you're talking about? What what do you mean by wearables?
Dr. Jimmy Moley:Yeah. Wearables is a huge umbrella. Right? It encompasses there's sleep monitors, heart rate monitors, sleep monitors. Right?
Dr. Jimmy Moley:I I think the most common, like the, you know, the Apple Watch Fitbit type ones. Right? And those have probably 10 to 20 different unique sensors in them, right? They can all track different things. So I think it's such a it's an interesting topic, it's a huge topic and a huge umbrella.
Chris Hall:So like for us non Apple users, more like an or like an Oura Ring would be Yeah.
Dr. Jimmy Moley:Oura Ring, Fitbit. Right. Exactly. Okay.
Chris Hall:Okay. And then they're using AI to sort of like kinda find out certain things about like using that to analyze the data, not just have the data, but say, hey, listen, we've been watching your heart rate and we noticed that every time you do this, blah, blah, blah, maybe you should be more mindful of that or something like that.
Dr. Jimmy Moley:Yeah, what's really cool is we're using it now to almost design training regimens, So we track, say you wear some sort of wearable device, and then we're able to see maybe when your heart, you measure your heart rate variability, your metabolic rates, now maybe we have to adjust your training regimen, right, to match up with how your body kinda naturally fluctuates throughout the day, or we're looking at sleep patterns, or very personalized you know, training regimens that are not just kinda standardized across the board. So I think huge potential, and I think this is somewhere where it's really gonna be going in the future.
Chris Hall:I think that really works well for executives as well too, you know, because I know personally, like, I'm better in the morning. Like, I am I'm more personable. I'm more acute. I mean, I am better in the morning. And I usually do, like, a lunch, you know, appointment or something like that, and then I'll usually do appointment right after lunch.
Chris Hall:And then usually, I kind of take off because I have some sort of football thing going on, you know, in in the early afternoon, like three or 04:00. But I know that, like, for me, like, I'm gonna do, like, a project, I've gotta do that project in the morning. So, you know, when I'm meeting with my clients, it's actually super easy for me because I'm just I'm so into what I do, you know. Like, I like, it's like for me, it's like I coach football in the afternoon, I coach clients in the daytime. I like coaching, so it's like I don't I don't really I can do that any time of day, so I guess what I'm saying.
Chris Hall:Because it's something I am I'm enjoying and it and it fires me up and I immediately get passionate about it. But they're like, if you're like, hey, I need you to do this project. I need these, you know, 16 things from you, like, I I've gotta do it in the morning. Like, if you're gonna try to get me at 03:00 in the afternoon for a big project, this is not gonna work. So I think that the wearables probably work for that too.
Chris Hall:Right? I mean, like, people's heart rates and base metabolic rates and things like that all kinda play into like how productive they can be and when they're the most productive.
Dr. Jimmy Moley:Right, right. And the goal is to match you and your most productive to the best environment for that productivity, Right?
Chris Hall:Right.
Dr. Jimmy Moley:We wanna try to get everything to align as best we can. So if we can get data, you know, when you're when you're doing things, when you're coaching, when you're working with clients, right, you're not thinking about your heart rate or or things metabolically that are happening in the background. So if we can add that data and use that as part of our decision making, I think it's only gonna get better from there.
Chris Hall:Yeah. Is that article out already?
Dr. Jimmy Moley:So I just actually gave the presentation this past weekend, so the article, should hopefully be out in the next few months.
Chris Hall:Okay. Okay. If it was out, I was gonna tag it for you. So
Dr. Jimmy Moley:I appreciate it. You guys stay tuned, but definitely a lot of exciting research.
Chris Hall:We'll send people to your website. We'll send people to your Instagram. Mhmm. Are you active? I think I saw you had a Twitter too.
Chris Hall:Are you are you active on that as well?
Dr. Jimmy Moley:Yeah. Instagram is probably the main one, but, yeah, Twitter as well and the website for all the information.
Chris Hall:Okay, great. Alright, well I really appreciate you being here and I'm super thankful and grateful for you to take your time out of your day to talk to me about this stuff. If anybody has any questions, I'm gonna leave the links for in order to get ahold of Doctor. Molley. And, if you do you have anything else to say before we take off?
Dr. Jimmy Moley:I just wanna say thank you. I appreciate the time. Okay.
Chris Hall:Yeah. Absolutely. No. I'm I'm really thankful for you being here. And, you know, hopefully, I know I got some things out of it today, and hopefully, our listeners get some things out of it.
Chris Hall:And and, you know, I'd love to have you back as this thing advance, or if you have something else that comes up that's kinda cool, like the AI thing, you know, stuff like that, get ahold of me, and we'll get you back on.
Dr. Jimmy Moley:Absolutely. Thank you.
Chris Hall:Alright. Thank you for your time.