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You ever pulled an all nighter?
Maybe I rolled your all nighter like
till 3 or 4
and then you see.
Yeah.
And then what happens?
And then nothing happens.
How do you function now?
I function properly.
You shouldn't do all night because it's
so then again again again
when I do this it's
Are you ready guys?
Hi my name is Sophia Ditro and I am 10
years old. I'm from Louisord Grammar
School and this is my guest Shanaya.
Where do you live?
I live in India and Mumbai.
Nice. Um what school do you go to?
I go to Kaka International School.
And how old are you? I'm 9 years old.
Okay. Today we're going to be talking
about our sleep routine. So, I go for a
shower, brush my teeth, I read a book,
and I go to bed at around 9:30 p.m. What
about you?
So, I sometimes have a bath and
sometimes not. I brush my teeth. My
mother tells me stories and then I go to
bed. I go around 8:39.
Okay. Uh, do you do you like bedtime or
not? Really? Not really. What about you?
Um, I like bedtime because I have my
nice fluffy cushions around 6.
Oh,
yeah. What about you?
I don't like because you just like hot.
Yeah.
Do you like sleeping at your family's
places or friends during sleepovers?
Yeah.
Do you ever miss your bed or teddies?
No.
No.
Um, what about you? Um, so I love
sleeping at my cousin's house. I don't
miss my bed at all. Nothing. Because I
know I'm going to be there by tomorrow.
See, can you tell me a little bit about
your dreams?
So, like at night, I like dream about a
big garden with many flowers.
Oh, and why about you?
Well, I don't really dream, but I do
have some dreams. So sometimes I have
like um lots of flowers in my dreams and
how I can I have powers about I got lots
of powers in the dreams but yeah. Okay.
So um do you like sleepovers?
I love sleepovers. What about you?
I love sleepovers. Do you like all
nighter? Do you do all nighter?
All night? How about you?
Oh, I don't do all nighter because I
know it's not really good to do all
nighter because you need your rest. No,
but uh when I do is I do only sometimes.
So I wake up in the full light and play
with my friends and have like some
gossip.
Ah okay. Me too. He was ready. So what I
would like to know what happens if you
have all night sleepover those called
parties
uh grandma's parties or family parties.
What happens? You like it?
Yes.
And but you don't sleep right?
We sleep at like something 4 or 3
and then wake up at 12 or 1. So, it's
like a good 8 hours sleep. I don't
really have all nighters, but when I do,
I feel grumpy. I feel tired. I can't
wake up, but normally I sleep around
like 1000 p.m. when I have sleepovers.
And then I feel fresh as the days.
I don't because like we don't get enough
time to play and have fun.
What time did I come?
You come like 8 because then they have
to like finish their dinner and then
come. That's why 8. How come they didn't
come earlier? Because they they have
their dinner at 7:00. So like they took
1 hour to to finish everything and then
come to our house of like half an hour.
So 8.
Okay. Now what I would like to know what
happens um if you are sleepy at school?
If uh I'm sleepy at school like I just
give a excuse to my teacher that my head
is spinning and then I do head down and
I just leave.
What? That's not fair because I actually
I never feel sleepy. Sometimes I feel
fresh as a daisy or grumpy but mostly
fresh as a daisy. When I wake up, I need
to have my breakfast. Then I'm happy.
But then I So my routine is I wake up,
have my breakfast, brush my teeth, get
changed, and then I wait for my driver
to pick me up for school. So then I feel
all happy. And yeah. What about you? I
like I every day like feel very sleepy
when I get up but still my mother tells
me to go to bath so I do and then
sometimes I cry too.
I always feel energetic so I don't
really nap sometimes in the afternoon
and sometimes in the school.
I suggest not sleeping before bed like
during the evening because of you might
wake up during night time. Yeah, I know
that but still sometimes like very very
not not very often but sometimes.
Okay, tell me did you ever have bad
dream?
Yeah, one time only one time like I had
a like of kidnaps kidnapping. And what
about you? Oh, me. I I get I don't get
deeply sleepy, but I just don't have
dreams.
So, I don't have nightmares. Only
remember one when I was five
at all.
What is
Oh, so it was where five clowns were
chasing me at night. I jumped into a
van, drove it, went into the sea, and
died.
What?
And you have leaves. Do you think any
wake up to a child as you accept?
No.
Ask tell us now what would you tell
children to not sleep well? What should
they do? I suggest so you can never
catch up on your sleep but still you can
make a bedtime routine and you can read
if you can't sleep maybe read a book and
that always makes me fall asleep easily
like snap. So now I I don't like reading
books uh at night but I like listening
to stories from my mother and then when
she tells uh songs to me I like feel
very sleepy.
That's good.
And one more thing what do you think
Steve is?
I think
I think sleep is good for like when we
get up and then we don't have dark
circles.
I think um so we have a hippoc compass
in the middle but it's kind of closer to
the left side and it's kind of like a
memory box so it's best to sleep long
like 9 to 10 if you're 10 years old
something like that.
Now they should sleep well. How would
you then
I would say maybe like sleep well always
um and always sleep long.
Sleep well and have a happy life.
You wish you had around bedtime.
Around bedtime, I want to play a card
with my grandmother and grandfather, but
she does not let me play.
Well, you think it help you sleep better
or just something you like?
Just something you I like because like
at night only they get a free time to
have fun with me. That's the point.
What about weekends? Is your bedtimes?
No. What? What time?
One, two.
Around 11, I normally just um play games
or swim in the pool.
Oh, that's fun. I'm so scared of
swimming at the pool lights.
Swimming at night.
Can you swim in the night?
Night swim. Yeah, I I like
What about holidays? Do you change your
sleep routine?
Yes. Yes, I do change my sleep routines
that day. Like sometimes my cousin and
everybody meet and then sometimes I like
play night uh at with my grandmother and
grandfather and also I watch cereals
with my grandmother at night. Uh so I
obviously take a shower then I sometimes
have like talk to uh my mom for fun and
then I sleep somewhere like that. Uh if
we are traveling like it's uh if we have
cousins with us then I don't sleep
really I don't sleep
at all at all
like many days.
Yeah.
How do you function when you sleep tire?
Yeah. How do you
No,
I feel like you do. See, but you don't
realize.
No.
You think it's that?
Yeah. What do you like eating?
I love eating junk food.
Uh, tell you one thing. When you when
you have your vacation time and both of
you have some fat ties and then school
starts again, how do you manage to get
back to that?
My mother wakes me up like a tiger.
What about Sophia? Well, I wake up
around 7. My my mom calls my name and
it's fine.
But that night, you see?
Yes.
Perfect. So, it's easy for you to go
back
like only one day like a tiger.
Oh, so what? What's your cool lunch? I
mean, I know you like jump school. What
do you eat us?
I eat so it's very much little grapes or
something. But meals like what's your
dinner?
Dinner there are many different things
like one I love is a burger and pizza
actually my guess.
But usually what do you eat?
Um dosa usually.
You don't like dosa?
No I love dosa but still.
And Sophia what about you? I
my grandma makes lots of Polish uh food
like soup
uh like rosu. It's very delicious. Love
it.
What does it have? You know,
it has vegetables which I like. I like
the vegetables like cauliflower,
carrots, and then what's it called? It's
macaro like spaghetti strips kind of in
a way.
And also like in lunch if you say like I
except ka I eat all subji and with roll
only it's fresh.
My favorite vegetable is bindi.
And uh do you see a difference in your
mood when you eat bindi or vegetables
and then on days only eat burger and
pizza you feel like not wor.
No, only sometimes in deserts.
You don't get sweet too much sweet.
Yeah.
I don't eat sweets like proper sweet
sweets and they make me have a headache
so I don't eat them. Thank you Shanaya
for being careful with me.
Thank you Sofia.
Thanks for listening.
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