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Two Factor Parenting is a conversation between two parents navigating technology's role in raising kids. He's the early adopter and tech optimist. She's the skeptic who asks "but should we?" Together they tackle screen time, AI, social media, and all the parenting decisions that don't come with a manual.
Two parents. Two perspectives. Raising kids in the age of screens, AI, and chaos.
Sept 28 Ep 10
00:00:00 Matt: And go! Go go go. Now! Start right now. Start right now. Great work. All right. Hi, everyone. Hi.
00:00:10 Val: We're just being silly. Uh, welcome to episode ten.
00:00:16 Matt: Which, oh, my gosh, are we at episode ten?
00:00:17 Val: We are at episode ten, babe.
00:00:20 Matt: Oh my gosh. All right. Woo! Episode ten.
00:00:23 Val: Yay!
00:00:25 Matt: We did it.
00:00:26 Val: We did it. Um, A lot of our episodes so far have been about kids use of AI watching your kids use AI. But we wanted to take this episode to talk about how you as a parent can use AI. Um, and this kind of comes.
00:00:49 Matt: Using AI for good.
00:00:52 Val: Well, this kind of comes from our personal experience. Yeah. I think I may have mentioned it before, but I'm pretty involved in the PTA. And I'm realizing that as parents, we are often asked to do a lot of the work of our kids activities, whether that is the PTA, whether that is, you know, youth sports coaching. Yeah. Um, whether that's other hobby oriented activities like scouts, oftentimes parents are the ones who get requested to be the leaders, you know, youth leaders or, like a church parent.
00:01:42 Matt: Group, you.
00:01:42 Val: Know.
00:01:43 Matt: Things like that in and help and.
00:01:44 Val: Help be the daycare for the little.
00:01:46 Matt: Kids.
00:01:46 Val: You know, oftentimes parents are the ones who get asked to do that labor.
00:01:51 Matt: Mhm.
00:01:52 Val: For free. with this kind of underlying intention that you would want to do this because your kid is involved in the activity, therefore.
00:02:04 Matt: Yes, therefore.
00:02:05 Val: You want to do this, you want to be a part of your.
00:02:09 Matt: You're a good parent, right? Yes. Yeah.
00:02:12 Val: Yeah. so we've had a couple different experiences realizing that AI actually can help us as parents, make a lot of this workload easier, make a lot of this aspect of parenting easier. But before we use some of the examples from our personal life, I had asked if Matt could kind of give an AI update. there's been a lot of, I think updates to platforms in general.
00:02:42 Matt: Mhm.
00:02:43 Val: But as I was, as we were talking through this, I realized that we talk about this a lot, but if we're going to be trying to help other people with certain types of platforms, it would be really helpful to kind of provide this framework or flowchart or something to kind of be really specific, because I think a lot of times company names or LLM names get thrown out there.
00:03:11 Matt: You see it on the news and they're like, oh, anthropic did this, and you're like, oh, okay.
00:03:16 Val: Or I use ChatGPT for that.
00:03:18 Matt: Yeah. But then was also, oh yeah, you have to download Claude, and you're like, wait, what? and you're like, what is this, this thing that we're trying to do? Um, and I think that that was the kind of the part was, let's just talk through it more like, let's actually explain it and let's frame this together in a way that will make sense to folks. And they go, okay, cool. Here's the SparkNotes. Yeah. Um, for, for this blast from the past on that one.
00:03:45 Val: So that way, you know what you can use and what could be helpful if you are engaging in these parent extracurriculars.
00:03:55 Matt: Yeah, exactly.
00:03:58 Val: So having said that, would you mind giving.
00:04:01 Matt: Us going through.
00:04:02 Val: Rundown?
00:04:02 Matt: Yeah. So I was trying to go through some, a couple of notes, I'm like, okay, how can I explain this in an easy way? So for me, I kind of, for some reason, I love just putting things into threes. So I'm going to go through three chunks if you will. And I first one is let's talk through it partner like just like a little thinking partner. Number two is let's get it done. And this is, like a helper with context, right? So that's number two. Okay. And then number three is build something. And so how you kind of break this up is the first one is always like you just ask that question. like, hey, what is this thing? Um.
00:04:50 Val: Like what I imagine a lot of people use ChatGPT for.
00:04:53 Matt: Bingo. Okay. Or hey, what is this huge spider that's on our garage door? Right? When we did that, I had no idea. So I took a picture of it And it was like, it's a fisher spider or whatever. And that thing was gnarly. So yeah, if you want to know what Halloween spiders look like, folks, go check it out. That one, I was like, man, that perfect.
00:05:21 Val: Didn't need any decorations.
00:05:23 Matt: Yeah. I was like, this is it. You know, it moves, So that's, that's what that is. And it's kind of the thing. Also, when you know, you need to explain like a homework concept or something like that, the kids are looking at, you're like, what the heck is this? That's where that helps, right? so again, think of the ChatGPT. Um, think of copilot. If you have that at work, like those are those little quick little questions that you can.
00:05:50 Val: Kind of there. Are there other platforms like that besides ChatGPT?
00:05:56 Matt: Yeah. So, um, well, you know, you can actually access Claude the same way like that. Um, or just ask a simple question. You have copilot, which is Microsoft. Google has been trying to do this a little bit. So when you go to do a Google search, it does that little pop up thing at the top and it's like, are you looking for AI?
00:06:17 Val: Overview.
00:06:18 Matt: Yeah, just AI mode.
00:06:19 Val: I am very guilty of.
00:06:22 Matt: I use it.
00:06:22 Val: Using. I love it more than.
00:06:25 Matt: Oh, totally. Oh yeah. Yeah yeah. Or I'm like, just give me the answer. That's by design. Um, so they very much, you know, intended that. However, the thing that's really interesting about that is it doesn't really, it doesn't help them in this race. Funny enough, people are like, okay, cool, your job is done. Google bye. So, that's the quick question partner kind of thing. number two is, okay, I got to get something done and I need to piece this together and I need a little bit of context. This isn't just one question, like hey, we want to plan a trip, right? And it's not, I'm not a single question. It's, I need to go figure this out, and I need to figure out, okay, what's in the area. What can we do? What can the kids do? What can other folks do? Like that starts to build context and kind of weave stuff together. Now this gets into um, if you're ever heard of Claude Cowork, they've kind of simplified that, or ChatGPT work, they've tried to really try to pull these in to more long, projects, if you will. And that's probably the key word I would think of when I put into that second tier. So you can think about stuff like projects. Yeah. Projects. Exactly. And really, that's probably one of the best ways to look at it. Like, hey, I'm part of this. Um, you know, trunk or treat and I need to put together these things like how many cars can we have? Here's how much space we have. Here's here's what this looks like. Can you give me an idea of like, how much candy should I have? So that's how you can kind of break that up. Now the third part, and that's when you start thinking about, um, words like codex or for like Claude, it's Claude code or it's kind of in this other section of the application where it's kind of a different setup, but it's much more development oriented. And that's when I kind of call that the let's build something And think about that as the phase where you are saying, okay, I do this trunk or treat every year and I need a setup to do this every year. And I want to build something that helps me do that. Right. Or I have to do all these projects every year for the PTA. You can build something that is more focused at doing all of these different things. You could actually build an application. you could build a website.
00:09:08 Val: You can start building your own signups.
00:09:10 Matt: You, yeah, you start building all of these things.
00:09:13 Val: That actually there, I see how they're kind of building upon each other and layering.
00:09:18 Matt: You got it. You got it. Thank you. Now I have to introduce a new kind of part of tier two, which is which I would just label it as the personal assistant. So right when you had your projects and everything like that, they're now creating more personal assistants. And for folks, what's probably really familiar for them with that one, and you've probably seen it on your Facebook, you've seen it on your Instagram because meta is trying really hard with this thing and they call it muse. And that is their personal assistant. Um, essentially what they do is they create like a little tiny computer that kind of mimics your computer. But like, I'm almost thinking like really simple. And this personal assistant works in that space. So you can go, hey, muse, go look through Facebook Marketplace. I'm looking for this. You know, I'm looking for a new bookshelf. Go find it. See if there find one. It needs to kind of look like this. It needs to go do this and then talk with the person, negotiate with them, right? And then figure out how to do the payment for that.
00:10:32 Val: that actually would save so much time.
00:10:36 Matt: Oh I know. Oh I know. I feel.
00:10:38 Val: Like that is actually the thing that you do want.
00:10:42 Matt: Them.
00:10:42 Val: To do. Like, as much as people hate Facebook as much as people hate Mark Zuckerberg, like in this very, you know.
00:10:48 Matt: It's a very.
00:10:50 Val: Moral stance.
00:10:52 Matt: Yep.
00:10:52 Val: Introducing an AI assistant to just go through marketplace and find you stuff. I feel like people are gonna be like, yeah, I'll absolutely use that.
00:10:59 Matt: Well, yeah. Right. that's the thing that gets really interesting because in that personal assistant and you could probably label Winston and everything like that that we've done that would be a personal assistant, but that is more open source that is not owned by a big old company. Um, it's its own like package and I've set it up for our stuff, you know, But this muse is different. Facebook owns it and they only use their models, stuff like that. Now another one would be grok bot and that's the whole space x x AI stuff. Um, that's the Elon Musk and that's that space. It's very similar to muse, um, in fact that it has like a little computer and go do stuff for you on your behalf and then come back to you and say, oh, hey, is this okay? You know, that kind of stuff. And they own the computer. They own where it is. They own what it's doing, what it's allowed to do. which can be good and bad at the same time. Right. but anyway, so so the key point though is, um, you have these personal assistants. Okay.
00:12:10 Val: I think it is an important point to make, though, that if Facebook and Grok Bot are or SpaceX are making their own personal assistants, that they own those. Yes. And I think that's a really important distinction to make when people are coming across this, you know, in the wild and being advertised to, oh, you can have your personal assistant do all this for you. I think that is a really important distinction to make that that company owns what you're putting into it.
00:12:45 Matt: Yeah.
00:12:47 Val: That's really different.
00:12:48 Matt: Yeah. so we've kind of talked about this a little bit, so when we think about the word pairings, you know, what do they all go together with? Anthropic is a big company that does Claude. So those are together, um, open AI, ChatGPT, those are together Microsoft copilot. Like I can just kind of keep going, but that's essentially the.
00:13:14 Val: And Google is Gemini.
00:13:16 Matt: Gemini, correct? Yeah. Okay.
00:13:19 Val: Um, that is helpful.
00:13:21 Matt: So so you start kind of just saying like, find the pairings. Um, now there are other companies, there's Chinese models as well that gets into a whole other thing, but they don't, um, I would say it's not as common. Some of them are trying to do similar services. But of course, more geared towards, you know, the markets within Asia.
00:13:42 Val: Well, so that was going to be my question because I see a lot of ads for AI services, things like scribe or pocket or something. And I see that on Facebook, but it seems like it's a service that is using AI, but it doesn't seem to be specific about what AI it's using. So I just want to be clear, like anytime a service is advertising that it uses AI, it's probably using one of those platforms or.
00:14:12 Matt: Large.
00:14:13 Val: Language models like ChatGPT. Claude. Yeah. And I think that's helpful to understand too, in terms of like, if you're using a service that says it's using AI, it's using a larger Base, I guess I should say. But it still comes down to one of those, you know, five larger bases. ChatGPT. Claude. Gemini.
00:14:36 Matt: Um.
00:14:36 Val: Copilot.
00:14:37 Matt: Copilot. Yes,
00:14:37 Val: One of those larger bases. And then those companies have the services that use their
00:14:45 Matt: Yeah. I mean, I think you can almost like, think of it like just a car, frankly, people are using the engine and then putting their spin on it. Um, it's like they took all the projects and the build some things, right? And then made it into a service and say, hey, you don't have to buy this whole thing, just use ours. Now the irony of.
00:15:07 Val: Oh, okay.
00:15:08 Matt: Yeah, the irony of all of it, though, is kind of some of these services. They are more single and niche. but they just charge you twenty bucks, right? which is like the same price that you get with, you know, open AI and ChatGPT when you buy those services, which the thing that's really crazy about that is how often people are not paying the usual, like twenty dollars a month subscription to like Claude or ChatGPT. And the models are very different. The free model and the models that you pay for vastly different with what they provide and what they do. And I think that's always the thing that kind of gets people is they're like, oh, geez, this thing can't even do this. And it's like, yeah, those are the free models. that's not the impressive stuff.
00:16:03 Val: So in practice, I guess I'll share what I've been using these.
00:16:09 Matt: Yeah, I think it'll be great to like, talk. Yeah. Talk about your experience with it.
00:16:12 Val: Yeah. So over the past year, I think is when I really started implementing a lot of this and I was thinking about this because it was really interesting because I've had experience with previous nonprofit board work, and I was thinking about this because I mainly use Claude Design to make flyers. And I learned this lesson recently because I tried to make a flyer in regular Claude, and it looked like a business plan, like a.
00:16:48 Matt: Full.
00:16:48 Val: It was it was horrific.
00:16:50 Matt: Yeah, it was bad.
00:16:51 Val: It's so bad. And so then we went, okay, ChatGPT for flyers, Claude for projects. But ChatGPT, if you ever try to ask it to make a flyer. It's like clip art central.
00:17:05 Matt: Oh, yeah.
00:17:05 Val: Which can work if your kids are young and you're, you know, in that realm or you want it to be picture central.
00:17:16 Matt: Well, it does have the quality of like someone took like a normal flyer and then said, kids, here's the sticker book and just went nuts.
00:17:26 Val: Yes.
00:17:27 Matt: And there's like, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. And you're like, that is a lot.
00:17:30 Val: Of book is the perfect way to do it because all of the pictures have this very like rounded out sticker look to them anyway. So again, just the general ages of our kids, that tends to work because,
00:17:45 Matt: I like stickers.
00:17:46 Val: They're not college kids, you know, like they're not working on their like thesis.
00:17:51 Matt: Yes.
00:17:52 Val: So, that tends to work most of the time, but I try to do it in Claude and it was like a full business proposal. Yeah. And I was like, absolutely not. This is horrible. So then, Matt, you were like, hey, what is this design feature? And so I feel like that's a really good medium. if you're trying to make a flyer that looks nice, but not like a children's sticker book if you want a lot of information. So for example, we were doing our large capital fundraiser where we were trying to get funds for the whole PTA for the whole year. That required a lot of information and really needing to focus on the specific information, the dates, the, instructions on how to donate the QR codes, where to donate. And so that really needed to be the focus, but it was going home in kids folder, so you want it to look fun and friendly. So Claude Design is a really good medium for that. Again, like you said, we mostly use Claude for projects. So when we were trying to figure out this capital campaign, sure enough I was like, hey, Claude I'm trying to figure out a capital campaign fundraiser. It needs to be this date. It needs to be for this age group. It needs to encompass this and this and this and this and this and this and it spit out all these recommendations and all the links to the pages, to the groups that it was recommending. and that was really helpful because it was doing all of that load that you usually have to do yourself. All of the researching, all of the, mental load that you just have to figure that stuff out. It does that for you. It does all of that work for you. So that way you can just focus on calling people, checking websites, things like that. And ChatGPT. Yeah, is really great for like a quick flyer. I will say I have seen a lot of, I think especially elementary schools do this. They will get their logo from ChatGPT because again, it's cute, it's funny, it's cutesy. And our school did the same thing. But then it was really lovely because then we could have the logo, like doing all sorts of different poses. And because chat was the originator of the logo, we can just say, hey, have that logo, do this, have that logo in a baseball uniform, have that logo as a painter, have that logo dressed up in a witch costume, you know, like. Exactly. And it does that and it is just so adorable. Now we were talking about this earlier, you get one edit with ChatGPT. Yeah, it is horrible at editing anything. So I find that even if it's just me asking it to make a flyer, I still have to be very specific because I can edit it once. And then if I ask it to do it one more time, it just completely goes off the rails.
00:21:05 Matt: Right. And so what's going on there a little bit is it's, it's trying to formulate the image. And so it's kind of like bring things together now where you do get a little bit of control with Claude design, by the way, and you can see this as it's working, is it's doing things in like a very, like, kind of piecemeal way, it like chunks things out. So it doesn't confuse itself to say, oh, here's all my different objects. so if you're saying like, change this particular one that helps. Um, unfortunately, you don't get that out of, ChatGPT and Codex like they are, they're trying to work on it, but the Claude Design piece is really does a very good job doing that for the right reason.
00:21:55 Val: It almost reminds me of working in Canva, like with, with the separate text boxes. And that's what I was thinking of earlier was previous board work and seeing the progression of flyers specifically, like on our previous board, if we wanted nice looking flyers, we had to ask a graphic designer.
00:22:16 Matt: Yeah.
00:22:16 Val: Like we had to ask our friend who was a graphic designer to make the flyers for us, and then we would have to get them printed at a print shop, you know? And then she would have to make them in really specific dimensions. She would have to scale everything. But that was her job. Yeah. And, you know, even just a couple of years ago when I started, I was using Canva. I was making the flyers out of Canva, And if you don't have graphic design experience, it is really easy to use. I think, um, even just two years ago, they used to have a translate feature where you could translate the whole page all at once. And that blew my mind. I remember bringing you in. I was like, Matt, look at this. I could translate the whole entire page. You're like, yeah, that's crazy. But for not being a graphic designer, Canva I still think is pretty decent and pretty good.
00:23:20 Matt: Well, they've, they've also tried to be very AI forward because they, I think they saw the writing on the wall and they're like, oh my gosh. Uh, yeah, we, we got everything. We'll do whatever.
00:23:30 Val: Two years ago when I started on this, there was none of that. And now I go back and log in to look at previous designs and it's use the AI feature, And now I have to pay for translation, which I was like.
00:23:44 Matt: Yeah, that's a little annoying because.
00:23:45 Val: It's super annoying because I can just translate it for free everywhere else. And I will say, that is the thing that I feel like is just the biggest hurdle that is overcome when you're trying to, again, as a volunteer. Yeah. When you are doing all of this and you're expected to do all of this on top of showing up and doing the volunteering or doing the coaching or whatever. Being able to do these things quickly is so helpful. And being able to translate them in seconds is meaningful.
00:24:21 Matt: Yeah.
00:24:21 Val: so I will say the most, that I use are ChatGPT and Claude and then Claude design, but I use them pretty frequently. But as we were talking about this, I came up with some questions for you. Oh, no. Well, wait a minute. you are involved in a volunteer.
00:24:41 Matt: Event group.
00:24:42 Val: Event every year. Do you guys ever use.
00:24:46 Matt: Constantly.
00:24:47 Val: Yeah. How do you use it?
00:24:49 Matt: Um, so a lot of it is like image work. So we actually do it for a lot of images because we have to like make our booth and our theme. and so that's usually where we do a lot of stuff. Funny enough, the thing I kind of run into is, you know, Matt, the QR code doesn't work, brah. You know, and so then I just get in there with just like usual Mac preview and I just do it OG style, I guess. And so I always just go in there and just drop in the QR code. And then I'm like, there you go. And then like, it's a magician. How did he do that? I'm like, I just clicked it and moved it in there. That's it.
00:25:25 Val: So I had one day where someone showed me a video of another PT where they like had a giant QR code, on a box, and they were like wearing the box around to the carpool and someone was like, we should do this. And the, the thing that I couldn't get over was figuring out how to print a QR code that big. I was like, how do you how do you print that? How many pieces of paper do you use? And I couldn't could not get my mind past printing a QR code. The size of a cardboard box big enough for me to wear. And I was like, guys, I can't, I can't do this. And they're like, what if we just put it on a piece of paper on a poster board and hold it up? I was like, fine. Like good enough because I'm so hung up on how to print out this giant QR code that I can't think past anything else. These are the kinds of problems that are tech problems, but not tech problems.
00:26:27 Matt: Exactly.
00:26:27 Val: that you have to deal with as a volunteer. And someone just has to figure that kind of stuff out. Or you have to know somebody who just knows.
00:26:37 Matt: That kind of that stuff. Yeah. Because they dealt it for whatever. Yeah. Right.
00:26:43 Val: And yeah, it's, it's always something.
00:26:47 Matt: and that's a really good way to put it. It's always something that you have to deal with as a parent. You have to figure out when you're volunteering or whatever. And that's why we wanted to do this episode is like, there is there is hope there, you there, there's stuff right that you can do that that helps you, do this so you're not consumed by it, right? Because you know, God knows there's more expectations to do more, be more present, you know, all of this stuff. And so we hope that this gives at least a window into, hey, this is going to save you time. And that's the thing that I've appreciated seeing with some of the Claude design stuff that you've been doing right is it's just saved you time.
00:27:35 Val: I made a calendar for the month of October. we just happened to have a lot of different events going on, school related and PTA related that all just kind of converged in October. And I was like, we need to have a calendar to give parents cutesy fun. Calendar made it in twenty minutes while I was sitting at the dermatology office.
00:27:58 Matt: Yeah, right.
00:27:59 Val: I was just like, well, I'm early. I got nothing else to do. And I typed it all into ChatGPT. And by the time I had finished my.
00:28:08 Matt: Was that ChatGPT or Claude?
00:28:09 Val: No, I did that one with ChatGPT because I have ChatGPT on my phone and I've Claude on my computer because I have big projects for the big screen are.
00:28:25 Matt: Like, that's a millennial.
00:28:26 Val: It is.
00:28:27 Matt: That is the big screens for the.
00:28:29 Val: Big screen gets the big computer like Claude and ChatGPT is the quick.
00:28:34 Matt: And just for the audience at home. There is a Claude app that, interesting enough can connect to your laptop and continue work.
00:28:45 Val: Oh God.
00:28:45 Matt: Yes, the future is. The future is here.
00:28:50 Val: But I don't have it on my phone so I can disconnect.
00:28:53 Matt: Right? And ChatGPT is like, well, don't mind me. I'll walk right in like, hello.
00:29:01 Val: Anyway. So I have been.
00:29:07 Matt: Rapid fire questions.
00:29:08 Val: Rapid fire questions. Um. Are there legal issues for using AI in volunteer organizations like PTA?
00:29:17 Matt: I think something that is kind of kind of important that people don't know is that the legal protections that we have actually around our email. like you have to go through a court order and do all that and a judge has to say, yep. that's allowed kind of whatever. Um, for email, we do not have those same protections within ChatGPT? Claude anything like that? The, police, can go up to these, companies and say, I need this data, They can have a warrant, right? Which it's fine. Um, and say, I need the data on this individual around all of this. There's no legal protections whatsoever established for that. Oh yeah. They're trying to do it. they're trying to at least get kind of like, hey, email and your chats, but that today, they're not there right now. Mhm. So.
00:30:11 Val: This kind of leads into it too. What should people be careful of if they're handling sensitive information for their organizations like student names, financial data etc.?
00:30:25 Matt: probably the biggest thing you want to be worried about is, if you're handling like names and things like that. Um, you kind of want to be careful of like the PI data. because people can be very protective of it. However, I think in practice folks don't really notice and they just do it anyway. Um, so what.
00:30:44 Val: Do you mean by using names?
00:30:46 Matt: Um, like emails, phone numbers, names, addresses, things like that. for my work. it's something that we constantly check and make sure that we're not doing that on our end. Um, and sending that stuff to the companies we work with. So because some of the companies we work with are also very protective about how their data gets ingested into the model.
00:31:10 Val: I would say probably also like I'm thinking, okay. I'm a youth basketball coach and we got a team picture. Like probably don't put the youth team picture into AI and ask it to, you know, edit the picture so that you're on a professional basketball court or something, because then you are putting kids faces into an AI program, right?
00:31:40 Matt: Mhm. Yeah.
00:31:41 Val: Like, is there stuff you should never put into ChatGPT? Claude whatever.
00:31:48 Matt: Uh, social security numbers. Okay. Um.
00:31:51 Val: I can't imagine a time when I would ever have any of those, but still. That's good.
00:31:56 Matt: You'll be shocked.
00:31:58 Matt: Um.
00:31:59 Val: What if I was like, the treasurer for my PTA?
00:32:02 Matt: Ah well bank numbers even when you're like, hey, can you look at our bank statement? You know, there's numbers in there that are actually pretty important. from a bank perspective that I identify things like that. So you're just trying to be smart about that kind of stuff. And it seems obvious, right? But still people put in API keys and all this kind of stuff that you would have access to. That's the same thing as like, here's my banking number, here's my routing number, for this bank.
00:32:33 Val: Don't think the problem, I think the problem too is that ChatGPT, like we've talked about before on this podcast, these companies are trying to get you to use their product longer.
00:32:46 Matt: Oh, totally.
00:32:47 Val: And if you've ever used ChatGPT, you'll notice that I've noticed it's not so bad with Claude. Once I kind of give it a project to do, it's very thorough and it does the project. It usually makes me want to investigate more. But ChatGPT will actively ask you questions and prod you for more information. So I can see somebody saying, hey, I'm the treasurer for this organization. Maybe. What kind of grants do we qualify for?
00:33:17 Matt: Mhm.
00:33:17 Val: And it could say, well, could you give me your area? Could you give me your five hundred one C3? Could you give me your Ein number? So that way I can see if you qualify. Like, I can see ChatGPT prompting a lot of those questions in order to get more information. And then all of a sudden you're divulging a lot more information than you kind of meant to in the first place.
00:33:39 Matt: There's absolutely that implication. There's the other aspect of, the settings you have for your, account, you can have things like, hey, don't pull this into memory. And, you know, all they can do is just say, yep, we did our best. Um, but like, I know that sounds super like, that doesn't sound great. I go, yep. You know, like, what do you think muse is built on? Right? And all the models that Facebook and Meta and everything like that they create based off all the data that we've given them over the years. That's why people are, very much looking at, what they're doing. it's funny when you listen to some of their, like their talk, they had like a hey, here's our muse. Yay! You know, rah rah, rah rah kind of cheer session there. Um, and they're like, hey, your projects are entirely, protected and safe and stuff like that. Uh, and then one of the presenters later on was like, you know, and here's a couple examples of these projects and you're like, well, wait a minute, how did they get examples? Like, so, you know, there's a little bit of a logic. Like, did they ask or what was the process there? Usually that's what they try to do is they try to go like, hey, can you share, can you give us some, some of your analytics of usage and stuff like that? So they try to look for that kind of stuff. That gives them a way to look at your data in a way.
00:35:02 Val: So then do you think that you should disclose if your org is using AI?
00:35:13 Matt: If your org is using AI.
00:35:15 Val: Or if you are using AI. like for let's say your child is in scouts and you're like, hey, everybody, just let you know I'm using AI to put together the presentations for the fall, For each of our meetings.
00:35:33 Matt: I think that there's a kind of a funny way of folks use it and don't know it. And so do you always know that you're using it to be honest with how this is just being integrated everywhere. If you are not using AI on something. It's almost more impressive, frankly, that you're like, oh, wow, this was handcrafted. This is a handcrafted presentation with no AI
00:36:04 Val: and it's fairly obvious at certain points because you can now.
00:36:10 Matt: You, you could see the human in there and you're like, oh, they totally messed up that part.
00:36:14 Val: Or you have looked at some of my PTA flyers and been like, that was ChatGPT. Like, yeah, of course it was ChatGPT.
00:36:21 Matt: It's covered in stickers.
00:36:22 Val: It's covered in stickers. It has such a look. And I, and I thought about this because, you know, Facebook does a certain thing where it'll say AI content or something. It'll flag it as AI content. And then I realized I was like, I don't know that it's ever done that or is doing it on the stuff that we're posting. And I was like, well, no one's ever said anything about it. So I guess they're not mad. I don't know, but I guess nobody at our school cares much that we're using AI for our flyers. So I'm not gonna say anything. I guess I don't want to start a.
00:37:02 Matt: Cat's out of the bag.
00:37:03 Val: Now. Yeah.
00:37:04 Matt: Surprise. But again, like, yeah, So, first off, um, when you post things on YouTube and all that stuff like that, the system is constantly looking to say yeah, that's AI generated. Like it knows even Claude has been Um, and I think ChatGPT as well, they'll leave little watermarks on stuff. So like, so it's identifiable, right? Um, that's going to kind of continue. but I, I just think it's kind of funny like how much of this is AI, right? Is it like a ten percent or is this a thirty percent? You know, do you care when it's.
00:37:43 Val: Well, that's, I mean, no one's ever been like, why are you using AI? You know, like.
00:37:47 Matt: Yeah.
00:37:48 Val: Why does this school use AI? This is ridiculous. You know, we've never gotten any of that.
00:37:53 Matt: And well, I mean, again, it's, it's, it's the purpose, right? It's like, what is it trying to do? Hey, you're giving me a flyer. Okay. Um, you know.
00:38:04 Val: Your grades, us.
00:38:05 Matt: Your.
00:38:05 Val: Loads of time. Loads of time.
00:38:08 Matt: You're grading my kids work.
00:38:10 Val: Um.
00:38:11 Matt: Oh, that gets different doesn't it?
00:38:13 Val: Mhm.
00:38:14 Matt: You're teaching my kids. Well, wait a minute. That's where you start to ask the question of, well, how much? Right. Or how does this help? When you find when you have that purpose of what you're trying to do, what is the, the point? Because I think the thing that's happening now is there's so much, there's so much that's getting created. There's so much there that's getting created that, you know, um, I really a funny term I heard the other day was slop grenade, right?
00:38:46 Val: Why do I know exactly what you mean when you say that?
00:38:49 Matt: Because it's a pretty it's a great way to explain.
00:38:51 Val: A great.
00:38:53 Matt: Visual. So yeah, just it's just there's so much stuff in there and a lot of these models are very verbose, right? And they'll just keep going and you're like, just one sentence, boss. That's all you gotta do. Don't. I'm done, you know? Um, so it's always that constant trying to limit and stay focused on it. that's the, I think the challenge.
00:39:20 Val: Well, I hope that this was informative and helpful and maybe helping you realize that you're not alone. You're not the only parent out there using AI to put together your kids soccer drills or. Yeah, exactly. Um, you know, make a flyer for your kids trunk or treat or whatever it might be. Um, and if you're not, you know, it helps save time that you can then spend working at the organization and helping volunteer or spend time with your kids or spend time on yourself or with your partner. You know.
00:39:57 Matt: Exactly.
00:39:58 Val: Live in your life and being human.
00:40:00 Matt: That's and that's the key. Like that is the banner that I will always wave high there is this saves time. So you can spend time right in the spots where you want to that makes you happy. Mhm.
00:40:16 Val: Well, thank you all for listening.
00:40:19 Matt: Episode ten.
00:40:20 Matt: ten ten.
00:40:22 Val: Cool.
00:40:22 Matt: All right. Take care, everybody.
00:40:23 Val: All right. Thank you.