101 Dalmatians (1996 Live-Action)

Katie and returning guest Lizzie rewind to 1996 for Disney’s live-action 101 Dalmatians, written by John Hughes and starring Glenn Close as an unforgettable Cruella de Vil. From 90s fashion trivia to puppy overload, family viewing, and why this remake still works, they dig into the spots that made it special.

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Katie Geilenkirchen

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Lizzie

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1:431 minute, 43 secondsHello, hello. I'm Katie, and welcome back to "Retromade," your pop culture rewind. Today, we're gonna head back to 1996, a great year.
1:541 minute, 54 secondsI think I started high school in '96.
1:571 minute, 57 secondsBut we are going back to actually revisit "101 Dalmatians," Disney's live-action take on the animated classic, complete with Glenn Close going full Cruella.
2:102 minutes, 10 secondsSo we'll get into, whether this remake earns its spots or does it just ride the original's coattails?
2:172 minutes, 17 secondsI have with me today a returning guest, Lizzie. Thank you for joining me again. How are you? I'm great.
2:252 minutes, 25 secondsI'm great.
2:252 minutes, 25 secondsI'm really excited to-- I'm excited to be back, and I'm really excited to talk about this movie in particular.
2:312 minutes, 31 secondsI'll let you reacquaint yourself with the "Retromade" listeners, Yes, yes. So I'm Lizzie I am a mom of three.
2:392 minutes, 39 secondsI've done several podcasts, my first was Millennial Movie Matchmaker, then
2:432 minutes, 43 secondsmoved on to Retro Movie Roundtable, and I dabbled a little bit with uh, a podcast called Are You Afraid of the Dark?
2:532 minutes, 53 secondsIt was an Are You Afraid of the Dark rewatch podcast, and I did it with some of my really good girlfriends, and it was so much fun.
3:013 minutes, 1 secondBut life has has thrown us too many curveballs that we just can't get together anymore. But there are-- there is a full season if anyone wants to check that out.
3:103 minutes, 10 secondsBut but yeah, I'm out here in Kentucky and you know, too blessed to be stressed.
3:153 minutes, 15 secondsPraise God.
3:163 minutes, 16 secondsI love that, too blessed to be stressed. Nice.
3:193 minutes, 19 secondsListeners, before we get into the show, I just wanted to let you know that this season of John Hughes is almost over.
3:253 minutes, 25 secondsAfter this, there's only one more episode, and I bet that you cannot guess what movie it is. It's been wild kinda going through the John Hughes movies.
3:343 minutes, 34 secondsLike some surprises, you're like, "Oh, John Hughes wrote that, eh?" So get your comments and your thoughts in along with any number of ways that you can support the show.
3:433 minutes, 43 secondsThat'd be great.
3:453 minutes, 45 secondsNow, we're gonna have a little bit of a different spin with the Retromade Trivia Wheel today.
3:503 minutes, 50 secondsI'm gonna share the categories on the wheel with Lizzie, and she's gonna pick one, and it'll be guest choice, which is a first.
4:004 minutesokay. I think I know what I'm gonna pick. Okay.
4:034 minutes, 3 secondsYou know, this movie was so fantastic, but to me, what really makes it
4:094 minutes, 9 secondsall on its own is Glenn Close, and we can't talk about Cruella de Vil without talking about the clothes. So I think it definitely has to be the runway.
4:174 minutes, 17 secondsreally- Love it, retro runway.
4:204 minutes, 20 secondsQuestion one, Okay. it is a denim trend. This is 1996. I can remember it well, vividly.
4:294 minutes, 29 secondsI definitely partook, partake... What is the past tense of partake? I don't know. I don't know how far it took, I guess.
4:384 minutes, 38 secondsI participated in this trend. Okay, so it's a denim trend, often paired with baby tees and visible midriffs, becoming a, a defining look.
4:504 minutes, 50 secondsWhat were the kind of jeans? a low-rise jean? Ultra low-rise jeans. Yes. I hope those never come back, by the way.
5:005 minutesBoy, well, my 40-something self is not gonna be partaking in, in that if it does. Yeah, and yes, definitely.
5:105 minutes, 10 secondsYeah, I don't think it make a comeback, that'll be a trend that I do not hop on. It's-- it looks good on not very many people.
5:175 minutes, 17 secondsYou have to be 16 for it to look good on you, I feel like, you know? Yes, absolutely. Very good. Okay.
5:255 minutes, 25 secondsThis one is interesting. Hmm. It's a shoe.
5:295 minutes, 29 secondsOversized athletic sneaker style, and it was popularized by brands like
5:355 minutes, 35 secondsFila and Nike, became a staple in '96, and it was referred to as ugly long before irony made them cool.
5:475 minutes, 47 secondsHonestly, the first shoe that pox in-- pops in my mind is like a Dunk.
5:525 minutes, 52 secondsI don't know how old that is, but like a, like a Nike Dunk or I don't think I know what that is.
5:595 minutes, 59 secondsthey're-- So they're-- I think they're actually very cool. I own several of them, but they are like really big and bulky. It's like the, like the clog of sneakers almost.
6:086 minutes, 8 secondsMaybe that's what it is. yes. Maybe that's what it is, because the answer is chunky dad sneakers, AKA platform sneakers.
6:186 minutes, 18 secondsa New Balance. Yeah. yes.
6:216 minutes, 21 secondspla- platform, like instead of platform heels, like platform sneakers. Yes.
6:266 minutes, 26 secondsThat's really funny Is that what a dunk is?
6:286 minutes, 28 secondsSo a Dunk, so like I feel like it's, it's not a shoe that you would wear to work out in.
6:346 minutes, 34 secondsIt's like truly just like a fashion sneaker, but it's more... It's not platformed, but it's more like wide.
6:426 minutes, 42 secondsbut- Oh, yep almost like a, like Mickey Mouse shoe.
6:476 minutes, 47 secondsThat's the only character I can think of to visualize it, where it's just abnormally big. And I have a couple honestly, but like they only go with certain things.
6:566 minutes, 56 secondsLike you can't really wear them with jeans. I think like a short skirt or something. Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense.
7:017 minutes, 1 secondI don't know how specific you have to be, but what outerwear trend heavily associated with hip-hop culture in '96 w- was frequently worn
7:117 minutes, 11 secondsfeaturing bold logos, often seen in music videos and NBA tunnel walks?
7:177 minutes, 17 secondsSo like the, like the swishy, the... I don't know what it was called.
7:227 minutes, 22 secondsBut it was like when you walked it made like a sh-sh-sh-sh 'cause it was like the fabric That material. Yeah. I don't really know what to call it, but but like that.
7:327 minutes, 32 secondsYou saw it, like sometimes it was in really bright color blocks, and then other times it was done in like only one or two colors.
7:417 minutes, 41 secondsI had several of them as a kid though, but it was like you'd like a matching set.
7:457 minutes, 45 secondsAnd whenever you... Like you could hear me coming because of the swish. I'm envisioning that like nylon material as well. Um, mm-hmm.
7:527 minutes, 52 secondsUm, so like Oversized jackets or like bomber-style jackets, but oversized. Very oversized. This is a headwear trend.
8:008 minutesBecame a street fashion essential thanks to hip-hop artists and athletes, often worn tilted, flat-brimmed, and heavily branded.
8:108 minutes, 10 secondsWhen Tilted, flat brimmed, and heavily branded.
8:168 minutes, 16 secondsOh my gosh, the second that you were talking about accessories with the '90s, I was so... my mind was gonna cut you off and be like, "Butterfly clips." But I, God, I can't... The... Yes.
8:288 minutes, 28 secondsLate '90s, even into the early 2000s, that's such a, terrible look.
8:328 minutes, 32 secondsRight, Our elementary school for my son had a '90s themed family dance.
8:408 minutes, 40 secondsAnd so like we all got to go, go and get dressed up, and they had a huge contest, and I got to put butterfly clips in our daughter.
8:458 minutes, 45 secondsAnd it was So, so, and she has, like, curly platinum blonde hair, so she's, like, the perfect head of hair for it. It was amazing. Gosh, I don't know.
8:538 minutes, 53 secondsSo the flat brim, definitely like a, like a ball cap. Maybe like a trucker hat, something like that. Yes, you're absolutely right.
9:019 minutes, 1 secondThe answer is fitted baseball caps, and in- often New Era caps. Oh, okay.
9:109 minutes, 10 secondsI'm not, not familiar with the New Era brand. think so either.
9:149 minutes, 14 secondsBut definitely I, I very specifically remember either the flat brim or tilted, like Yes, I remember the, that look.
9:239 minutes, 23 secondsYes. Mm-hmm. All right. Last one.
9:289 minutes, 28 secondsMinimalist yet provocative fashion style, often pretty plain, but very tight-fitting and paired with baggy bottoms.
9:409 minutes, 40 secondsSignature look, late '90s. A lot of pop and R&B artists, but also I, I wore them, too. Like it was mm-hmm.
9:489 minutes, 48 secondsjeans. With baggy jeans.
9:519 minutes, 51 secondsI, I mean, my first... my mind first goes to either a crop top, or I remember
9:589 minutes, 58 secondsa lot of hip-hop artists honestly wore like, bikini tops with really baggy jeans, where they would just wear basically look like they could just go to the beach, but they have jeans on.
10:0710 minutes, 7 secondsmake a little belly show. Mm-hmm. You're right.
10:0910 minutes, 9 secondsIt is either baby tees or crop tops. okay.
10:1510 minutes, 15 secondsThose have made a big comeback Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. All right. You did very good. Yay. good pick, Lizzie. Good pick.
10:2210 minutes, 22 secondsSo '96, yeah, I wore a lot of these, a lot of these things. Wow, that's amazing.
10:3010 minutes, 30 secondsI think maybe, maybe we should get into the movie let's do it.
10:4110 minutes, 41 seconds" 101 Dalmatians." Did you know that this '96 remake was a John Hughes-written movie before I showed you the list?
10:5110 minutes, 51 secondsNo, I never would've known that. Rewatching it with the context, I so see it.
10:5710 minutes, 57 secondsUh, But and it's, it's painfully obvious, especially when Horace and,
11:0311 minutes, 3 secondsGlenn Close in it like Alone coded it is, and John Hughes is just such a, He, he's just has this whimsical
11:1411 minutes, 14 secondsmagic that he brings to, relationships in, in movies, so you can definitely see it.
11:1911 minutes, 19 secondsBut no, I never would have actually guessed that had you not told me thought of that, but cool. S- same. Definitely surprised.
11:2611 minutes, 26 secondsI assume this was not your first watch? It wasn't, no. This movie had a choke hold on me when I was a kid.
11:3311 minutes, 33 secondsI loved the cartoon, but I loved this- this Did you watch it with your kids We did, yeah.
11:4311 minutes, 43 secondsWe watched it yesterday. Oh my gosh, they were all, all three were like, "Can we get a dog? Can we? They're so cute." I mean, they lost their minds.
11:5111 minutes, 51 secondsAnd it's just all the little scenes, especially when there's so many puppies, it was, it was, like, really, really fun for them to watch.
11:5911 minutes, 59 secondsAnd and honestly, I think they had more fun in the beginning watching Cruella be Cruella and then watching, like, the meet cute between Roger and Anita.
12:1012 minutes, 10 secondsAnd they just, I don't know, they really liked it, so I was excited. and they just had a great time. Good.
12:1412 minutes, 14 secondsI'm glad they liked it, 'cause a lot of times things from the '90s don't work for kids now.
12:2012 minutes, 20 secondsSo I'm gl- I'm very glad to hear that they liked it.
12:2212 minutes, 22 secondsThey did... Now, I will be totally honest, they dragged their feet when I told them that I wanted to watch it.
12:2712 minutes, 27 secondsThey were like, "Ugh, no." We- they're really into Pokémon right now, so "We wanna watch this other Pokémon thing." And and I was like, "Listen,
12:3412 minutes, 34 secondsevery now and again, your mom can bust out a movie that isn't that bad." And I would say they were pretty hooked early in, and just watching Pongo, like,
12:4512 minutes, 45 secondshow he was so smart and he could, like, get the shower and the coffee ready, and they, they had a lot of fun watching that.
12:5112 minutes, 51 secondsAnd then they were immediately hooked once Pongo started chasing Perdy.
12:5612 minutes, 56 secondsSo it actually really, I think, to your point, there's a innocence, I think, to the dynamics in the movie that you don't see a lot now.
13:0613 minutes, 6 secondsThere's more of, like, this hustle culture that's ingrained in these live action movies and whereas in this movie, it kind of represents a smaller, quiet confidence.
13:1713 minutes, 17 secondsAnd so I was really pleasantly pleased that they liked it. Good.
13:2313 minutes, 23 secondsYeah, I kept thinking the same, you had used "Home Alone" coded, It's like Hugh's signature at this point.
13:2913 minutes, 29 secondsI feel like this is the 10th movie that we've covered on the show where
13:3413 minutes, 34 secondsthat dynamic is at play also he must really like writing for a duo of bumbling criminals, 'cause he does it does.
13:4413 minutes, 44 secondsDid you grow up watching the cartoon, the original from the '60s?
13:4713 minutes, 47 secondsI Yes, I loved the cartoon from the '60s. I- that was another big one of mine. Any Disney movie that had animals in it that was the one that I wanted to watch.
13:5613 minutes, 56 secondsSo, 101 Dalmatians, Lion King, Aristocats, like, all of those movies were my favorites.
14:0214 minutes, 2 secondsI I loved, Loved the scene, and honestly still do, in the beginning of the new- of the '60s one where all the people are matching their dogs, and I love that so much.
14:1514 minutes, 15 secondsAnd I was so excited to see them try to emulate that in the live action. And then I just... I mean, it's just such a sweet, such a sweet movie.
14:2514 minutes, 25 secondsI love it still to this day.
14:2714 minutes, 27 secondsAnd the kids have seen that one too, and they really enjoy that one as Good. Okay.
14:3214 minutes, 32 secondsYeah, Yeah, I literally wrote down in my notes when that scene was happening. I was like, Oh, thank God," I have seen this movie.
14:3914 minutes, 39 secondsI think I actually went to it with my grandma, and she got a kick out of it, like in '96.
14:4414 minutes, 44 secondsSo that was really sweet, and I also grew up absolutely adoring the original I remember being at Pamida, which is like, I don't think they exist anymore, but sort of like a mini-type Walmart store, like regional in the Midwest.
14:5914 minutes, 59 secondsI remember being there just on a quick errand run or something with my dad, and I begged him.
15:0515 minutes, 5 secondsI saw on an end cap the puffy case Disney, you know, it must have just done, they must have just done a re-release at that ti- whenever in the '80s this was.
15:1415 minutes, 14 secondsAnd this was not something that was typical in our household. You didn't just like, "I want that," and it was purchased for you. That never happened.
15:2315 minutes, 23 secondsAnd I think I just wore him down, and he was like, "Fine, we'll get Fine, we're getting the movie. So I got my way.
15:3015 minutes, 30 secondsYeah, I, those are a couple memories with this, and I'm a big dog person as well, and sometimes I'm nervous about watching movies with animals in it, but this one's a safe one, so...
15:4015 minutes, 40 secondsYes. Yeah. It's so good, and I love in the cartoon where there's like this dog
15:4715 minutes, 47 secondscommunity, like Pongo can go up and bark, and then all of the dogs hear them and seeing that trickle down. And again, I love how they were able to use like the really important components.
15:5715 minutes, 57 secondsThey didn't rewrite-- They didn't reinvent the wheel. They were like, "This is a great story. We don't need to recapture this.
16:0416 minutes, 4 secondsWe're gonna take all the amazing things about the cartoon and honor it through this movie, but then we're gonna put kind of our own unique stamp on it."
16:1316 minutes, 13 secondsAnd I love that whole aspect of it too, when Pongo goes up and barks, and then it goes to a border collie and shows all these different dogs and the twilight bark.
16:2216 minutes, 22 secondsLike, Yeah, it's like their I-- It's... communication.
16:2616 minutes, 26 secondsIt I love it so much. They did stick pretty closely to the original, which was good. Like you said, the things that they did different worked, in my opinion.
16:3616 minutes, 36 secondsThat scene that you were talking about where he's in the park watching all the dogs and their owners go by, and the people look like the dogs
16:4616 minutes, 46 secondsThat was a scene I feel like could have gone on for about half of the time that they did the bike Chaos.
16:5416 minutes, 54 secondsI think that lasted far too long.
16:5516 minutes, 55 secondsSo they could have taken some of that time and g- given us some more people lookalikes with their dogs, but... I tend to agree. I think they could have-- I think they only did two people.
17:0317 minutes, 3 secondsI think they could have done may- maybe three.
17:0617 minutes, 6 secondsActually, I think they did three, 'cause they did, like, a smaller dog, I believe, and then the bulldog, and then the Great Dane, I believe, was the big one.
17:1617 minutes, 16 secondsHis-- Pongo's bark got more intense, like he was-- had something to prove. The live action remake of the original, was released on November 27th, 1996.
17:2817 minutes, 28 secondsSo people probably going with their families over Thanksgiving break.
17:3517 minutes, 35 secondsIt is rated G, and I point this out because it is the first-- the only G movie that we've done on "Retromade" this season.
17:4617 minutes, 46 secondsWe did cover "The Fox and the Hound" last season because Kurt Russell voiced Copper, so that was G. But I think I think this was actually the first G-rated
17:5617 minutes, 56 secondslive action movie that Disney made the IMDb rating is a little lower than-- Having rewatched, I'm like, "Oh,
18:0418 minutes, 4 secondsthat's a little bit on the low side." It's 5.8. I don't know if you have thoughts about that.
18:0918 minutes, 9 secondsI would That does... You know, I would actually argue my hot take is that I think this is the best Disney live action remake.
18:1618 minutes, 16 secondsI mean, they-- this was-- I don't know really what prompted this because there was probably about a ten to fifteen year delta between this live action
18:2518 minutes, 25 secondsremake and then what we've seen in the last decade of just them churning out live action remake one after another.
18:3218 minutes, 32 secondsAnd I think yeah, I think this is the best one.
18:3518 minutes, 35 secondsAnd I think mainly because of what we talked about earlier, ultimately, the common denominator, I think, between a lot of these live action remakes is they try to change so much of it.
18:4518 minutes, 45 secondsAnd and, and while I do appreciate that there's a certain aspect of them
18:5018 minutes, 50 secondsthat maybe want to modernize the story a little bit, sometimes I think when you're a little too hyper-fixated on what people are gonna think and feel and
19:0019 minuteshow it'll be received, I think sometimes that takes you out of the magical part of What makes the story so special, and sometimes you just miss the mark.
19:0919 minutes, 9 secondsAnd I think that's the case for a lot of these, but I think with this particular movie, I really think John Hughes understood that this was
19:1719 minutes, 17 secondsgonna be more of a love letter to the '60s one, rather than him trying to just do something on his own.
19:2519 minutes, 25 secondsthan a 101, rather than picturing this as a 101. Yes, I couldn't agree more. I hated Flubber, so that was also a, a remake.
19:3319 minutes, 33 secondsAnd I had not seen the original, but I don't know what he was doing.
19:3819 minutes, 38 secondsSo he did not do what he did with 101 Dalmatians for I didn't like Flubber either. I'm not gonna lie. And I love Robin Williams, but I was not a fan.
19:4719 minutes, 47 secondsYeah, I was like, "This is terrible." But the original has a 7.3 IMDb rating, and honestly, I'm surprised that's not higher. Right.
19:5519 minutes, 55 secondsYeah, love that? I know, it's the best. Strange.
19:5919 minutes, 59 secondsSo obviously we have John Hughes writing the screenplay, and it is based on Dodie Smith's original.
20:0620 minutes, 6 secondsShe-- Actually, I don't know if that's a man or a woman. Do you? No, but Dodie feels like a female name. I think we'll... Yeah, I think a she.
20:1620 minutes, 16 secondsDodie Smith wrote the book on which the original movie was based.
20:2220 minutes, 22 secondsWe'll get to the amount of money that this made, but John Hughes made more money from this movie than any other movie in his career.
20:3220 minutes, 32 secondsDo you know why? Yes, I do know why. Yes, I do. I know why.
20:3620 minutes, 36 secondsI so he just read this. Because he got royalties. That's what it was.
20:4120 minutes, 41 secondsHe got like merchandise and was the merchandising. yes. A piece of the merchandising profits, which was everywhere.
20:4920 minutes, 49 secondsI had I had Rollie until one of my dogs used it as a, a toy. But yeah, the stuffed animal.
20:5520 minutes, 55 secondsI, I read that there were 17,000 items of merchandising.
21:0121 minutes, 1 secondI can't even f- like things that, that were 101 Dalmatians Can't even, like compute I know.
21:0821 minutes, 8 secondsLike I can think what you... I can think of 10 in my mind, and then I like, I could come up with 100 probably if I, Yeah. real hard.
21:1621 minutes, 16 secondsBut yeah, so he w- he was very glad that he did this movie, and so was Disney because the budget for this was 67 million, and it was a massive hit.
21:2821 minutes, 28 secondsWorldwide gross of 321 million on a $67 million budget. that's wild. good.
21:3621 minutes, 36 secondsSo obviously there's a sequel which I don't think I've seen, 102 Dalmatians, and that was in 2000. Did you see that?
21:4421 minutes, 44 secondsI, yes, but I, I don't remember a, a lot of it.
21:4921 minutes, 49 secondsI feel like I watched it kind of like almost like with one eye open been pregnant. Mm-hmm.
21:5521 minutes, 55 secondsI, I, I remember bits and pieces of it.
21:5821 minutes, 58 secondsI know that like Cruella is, like she escapes prison and wants to like exact revenge, so a lot of ways it's a recycling of the first.
22:0822 minutes, 8 secondsBut there's... Oh, oh, I remember the hook.
22:1122 minutes, 11 secondsI was just thinking of like there's like an element-- There's a, there's a Dalmatian that doesn't have any spots. That's the big thing.
22:1722 minutes, 17 secondsThere's like a, it's like a, like the black sheep of the family. It's a spotless Dalmatian and that's all I really can remember.
22:2522 minutes, 25 secondsBut I do remember there was a TV show of 101 Dalmatians that came out shortly after this, and I really liked that show.
22:3322 minutes, 33 secondsI watched Oh, interesting.
22:3622 minutes, 36 secondsActually the the plot that you just said about "102 Dalmatians" actually sounds pretty good.
22:4022 minutes, 40 secondsBut, but I don't think-- I think that there were some pieces to this puzzle that, that really made it work, and I think a big piece of that was the cast.
22:5222 minutes, 52 secondsThey had a really good cast.
22:5522 minutes, 55 secondsBut before we get into the cast, I wanna talk about the director, Stephen Herek, a little bit.
23:0023 minutesAre you familiar with Stephen Herek By name, I'm not, I would-- Same. Yeah.
23:0623 minutes, 6 secondsI don't think we've covered him on "Retro Made" yet.
23:1023 minutes, 10 secondsBut he also directed "Mr. Holland's Opus," "Don't Tell Mom the Babysitter's Dead," one of my faves.
23:1723 minutes, 17 secondsBut yeah, "Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure," "The Mighty Ducks," and "Critters." Wow, okay. So he definitely has a brand.
23:2323 minutes, 23 secondsYou can definitely Yeah.
23:2523 minutes, 25 secondshim and John Hughes are I had to end very sym- like symbiotic in that way. Like you can really tell that they make good partners.
23:3423 minutes, 34 secondsThey have a vision that's very similar. for her, that would have been it. Mm-hmm. Yeah.
23:3823 minutes, 38 secondsIt's just one of those that d- he doesn't have the name recognition, but has done some great work. Yeah, that's awesome.
23:4523 minutes, 45 secondsWe have the one, the only Glenn Close as Cruella de Vil, and oh my God, was she great.
23:5323 minutes, 53 secondsShe's fantastic.
23:5523 minutes, 55 secondsShe was-- Now I saw "The I had no idea who Glenn Close was.
24:0724 minutes, 7 secondsLike her body of work was all like really more adult films, so I had not watched anything that she was in, but my parents were elated to see her.
24:1524 minutes, 15 secondsAfter growing up and watching more of her body of work, specifically Fatal Attraction,
24:2124 minutes, 21 secondsI feel like she brought that- bunny boiling energy, which is kind of sadly ironic because she's, you know, wanting-- she's cruel to animals.
24:3024 minutes, 30 secondsBut it's Like she was She is equal parts chic,
24:4024 minutes, 40 secondsweak- Mm-hmm terrifying, and just erratic and all over the place in the best way possible.
24:5224 minutes, 52 secondsShe is-- I don't think anybody else could have done it.
24:5424 minutes, 54 secondsI remember reading a couple of other people that were offered the job, one being Sigourney Weaver, and no shade to Sigourney Weaver.
25:0225 minutes, 2 secondsI, I, I think she's fantastic.
25:0525 minutes, 5 secondsBut I-- the chic element and just that fabulousness, I don't, I don't know if I can visualize that, and that's no shade to her.
25:1525 minutes, 15 secondsShe's very... I mean, Sigourney Weaver's very sexy, but that's-- but there's a certain X factor that Glenn Close has that just made it perfection.
25:2325 minutes, 23 secondsAgreed. So I can see why they would consider a Sigourney Weaver.
25:2625 minutes, 26 secondsI-- Like she has-- She's the right type, and she kind of played this in what's that movie where she's the boss of Melanie Griffith and Harrison Ford?
25:3625 minutes, 36 secondsOh, I'm gonna have to look it up because it's driving me nuts.
25:4125 minutes, 41 secondsI could see her being a Cruella with a more soft-spoken Cruella, 'cause I think that there's a quiet mania about Sigourney Weaver.
25:5125 minutes, 51 secondsBut I've never-- I don't know if I've ever seen her fully lose it. Maybe-- and maybe I just haven't seen it in the right movie.
25:5725 minutes, 57 secondsBut she has this very controlled very controlled anger that is actually, on its own, very scary.
26:0626 minutes, 6 secondsShe has this ability to f- be frightening in a way that she is so in control of everything that she's saying and doing and can speak so quietly and thoughtfully while also cutting you.
26:1626 minutes, 16 secondsSo in that way, that would be-- make for a good Cruella.
26:2026 minutes, 20 secondsBut I think the thing that I, I think makes Cruella Cruella is the fact that she's not controlled.
26:2726 minutes, 27 secondsShe's just, like, all over the place and just, dramatic, A maximalist in every way, and I, I think that that was really, really necessary for the role.
26:3826 minutes, 38 secondsSo I can appreciate the Sigourney part, but I just think it had to be Glenn. Weaver, but I do- Agreed.
26:4326 minutes, 43 secondsAnd the movie I was thinking of is "Working Girl." Great Oh, okay. Yes. yeah, sorry, my brain.
26:4826 minutes, 48 secondsThey did want Glenn Close to be in this, but she initially rejected it because of I think there was a, like a Broadway play or something that she was doing.
26:5726 minutes, 57 secondsAnd anyway, scheduling conflicts, but then she ended up being able to do it.
27:0027 minutesThe other person that I read did a screen test for the role was Kathy Moriarty,
27:0627 minutes, 6 secondsand This being a G movie, it was later deemed that she was too frightening Really? for a children's movie.
27:1427 minutes, 14 secondsLike she must have brought some realism in her screen Yeah, she must have really brought some scary elements. It's really funny. I don't know why it gets me.
27:2227 minutes, 22 secondsI've always wanted one of those rich, bitchy lady in movies have those long cigarette holders. Yes. And I want one.
27:3227 minutes, 32 secondsI don't smoke, but I was like, "That's awesome." Goldie Hawn in "Overboard" too. It's amazing.
27:3927 minutes, 39 secondsShe, 'Cause I remember that from the '60s movies.
27:4427 minutes, 44 secondsShe had that long, that long piece, and I love the car, That cigarette holder, I remember.
27:4927 minutes, 49 secondsI don't smoke either, but I-- It kinda just goes without saying that she made smo-smoking seem really cool and really chic.
27:5927 minutes, 59 secondsI know that's the wrong thing to say, but Oh my gosh. I actually read like a piece of trivia about that.
28:0628 minutes, 6 secondsSo this was one of the last Disney films to feature visible on-screen cigarette smoking It's really funny.
28:1328 minutes, 13 secondsI understand why that they were like, "We're making this seem too cool." "We need to make sure that we're, like, properly communicating that this is not good." It does.
28:2128 minutes, 21 secondsI gotta say, when there's that like certain movies, a lot of mob movies or watch certain TV shows, there's a lot of smoking, like "Peaky
28:3028 minutes, 30 secondsBlinders," it makes me wanna smoke Yeah, there's like a, yeah.
28:3528 minutes, 35 secondsthere's like a joie de vivre, de vivre of when it comes to, to smoking that I, I do think that there's like a... I guess, it gives you an edge.
28:4628 minutes, 46 secondsI... And I think, Yeah, there's something about seeing someone do it,
28:5228 minutes, 52 secondsI guess, in the right context, in the right moment, that it just, it does give this very cool allure to them.
29:0029 minutesAnd, But then, you know, and when you're in reality, if you're in a room with a bunch of people smoking, you're just like, "This smells." "I'm not into it,
29:0829 minutes, 8 secondsand I feel like I need to take a shower." Yeah. It's not as classy.
29:1229 minutes, 12 seconds"Mad Men," like all, it's like everybody must have just reeked apparently. Yeah. I think that they all had to.
29:1829 minutes, 18 secondsAnd it was, but... And it was also, especially the Mad Men times it was the thing.
29:2229 minutes, 22 secondsMy mom, both my parents talked about during... You know, 'cause my, my dad was born in '52, so, he, when he was in his prime, it was like everybody smoked.
29:3229 minutes, 32 secondsIt was just what you did. Nobody ever even took a second thought that this could be bad for you. Everybody was just like, "It's great," and we did it.
29:4029 minutes, 40 secondsIt's cool.
29:4129 minutes, 41 secondsIt's the cool thing to do, for That's right Okay, so coming back to Cruella and Glenn, 'cause I wanna talk more about her.
29:4929 minutes, 49 secondsEvery time she was on screen, I was mesmerized. E- every little movement and like her g- her gloves had claws.
29:5729 minutes, 57 secondsShe had this, this way of being, saying things or doing things that are like s- like it's a put down or it's snarky, but in a really smart way.
30:1130 minutes, 11 secondsUm, I literally laughed out loud a few times.
30:1330 minutes, 13 secondsOne is towards the end when she's literally been through a molasses vat, and now she's in the manure mud, and the police are there, and they're
30:2430 minutes, 24 secondslike, "Are you Cruella de Vil?" And she's like, "Is there something wrong?" Like something wrong? is there something wrong?
30:3330 minutes, 33 secondsAnd then to Roger when she's meeting him, Mm-hmm.
30:3830 minutes, 38 secondshe, you know, reaches out to shake her hand when, when she's leaving, says something like, you know, "It was, it was a, a pleasure to meet you."
30:4530 minutes, 45 secondsAnd she's like, "What was?" And he's like, "To make your acquaintance." You know, "It was a pleasure to make your acquaintance." And she says, "That's a sweet thought.
30:5530 minutes, 55 secondsI wish I could reciprocate." And I wanna use that now.
30:5830 minutes, 58 secondsI want, I want, I wanna use that. change it. Yeah. She says to... I, I... Is it-- I can't remember both of their names. I know one of them is Horace.
31:0631 minutes, 6 secondsBut the-- Jasper. yes. I... So Hugh Laurie's character, when he's like, "We've got the puppies.
31:1331 minutes, 13 secondsWe're at the house," and everything, she-- and she says something like, "My, my ability to second-guess your inaptitude is temporarily restored." And he's like, "Oh, you're too kind, ma'am." You're too kind.
31:2831 minutes, 28 secondsSo if it wasn't her in this I don't think it would've been as good.
31:3331 minutes, 33 secondsThey had a really good supporting cast as well that we'll get to, but it made me wonder about Glenn because I was like, does she maybe have the most Oscar noms or wins or whatnot?
31:4631 minutes, 46 secondsShe has not yet won an Oscar.
31:5031 minutes, 50 secondsShe was nominated eight times, and if she gets an Oscar, she will be in the EGOT status because she's gotten all of the others.
31:5931 minutes, 59 secondsOh, wow!
32:0032 minutesGrammy Oscar, Tony. And Emmy, that's the... Yeah, Emmy. Yep. Yeah, she's fantastic.
32:0932 minutes, 9 secondsBut-- she is not the actress with the most accolades or prestigious awards, wins, nominations, et cetera. She is surpassed by one.
32:1932 minutes, 19 secondsI bet you can guess who it is. Probably Meryl Streep.
32:2132 minutes, 21 secondsShe's the person that I really think of when it comes to being nominated the most, and I feel like she's nominated every other year for something. Mm-hmm.
32:2932 minutes, 29 secondsBut Glenn is the next, apparently. Aw, well, hopefully she gets her Oscar soon.
32:3432 minutes, 34 secondsShe sh- I know. I know. Love Glenn.
32:3732 minutes, 37 secondsThere's a few things that I read in the trivia that if we have time we'll get to that I'm like, "Oh, makes l- me love her even more." One of which I think is that she insisted on wearing fake fur.
32:4632 minutes, 46 secondsyeah, so I love that, yes, especially with, like, all the, just the subject matter. I feel like that just makes it feel a little bit more wholesome and full circle.
32:5632 minutes, 56 secondsEverybody loves Jeff Daniels, I feel, and he's had a very diverse career He has won Emmys for "The Newsroom" and "Godless." "Godless" I think
33:0533 minutes, 5 secondswas a like a limited series or a miniseries or something. never heard of that one.
33:1033 minutes, 10 secondsI think I did see that or I'm getting them-- maybe I'm conflating a couple with similar titles, but I'm pretty sure I saw that.
33:1633 minutes, 16 secondsI've not seen "Newsroom." Do you watch did see Newsroom. I did see Newsroom. I watched the first season. I don't-- I think that there were more, but I only watched the first one.
33:2533 minutes, 25 secondsIt is pretty good. It's, Especially, it reminded me of Network.
33:3033 minutes, 30 secondsThat's a old movie from the Yes.
33:3233 minutes, 32 secondsThat won an Oscar, I think, didn't yes, a lot like that.
33:3533 minutes, 35 secondsIt felt like a show version of that, where it's just showing kind of how the sausage gets made, and in a way that you, the viewer, are kind of
33:4733 minutes, 47 secondsquestioning because you're watching his own dilemma on what he needs to report on, 'cause it's a business, so he has to make sure people watch.
33:5633 minutes, 56 secondsAnd it just, I don't know, it's kinda interesting to see how much tinkering goes into what they decide to report on.
34:0434 minutes, 4 secondsAnd and it's it was very interesting. I think the rest of the cast is a little understated. They're all really good.
34:1134 minutes, 11 seconds, You know, it's Jeff Daniels, but as Roger he's not doing anything significant or special or stand out in any way.
34:1934 minutes, 19 secondsHe's just doing the job. He's playing Roger 'cause that's who Roger is, right?
34:2334 minutes, 23 secondsAnd similar with Anita, just very, that quiet... They're-- Well, also they're British, so they're, Yes.
34:3034 minutes, 30 secondsthe, they're not as brash and loud as as Americans.
34:3634 minutes, 36 secondsBut Joely Richardson, are you familiar with her playing Anita?
34:4334 minutes, 43 secondsYou know, she-- I always sometimes get her and Natasha Richardson confused because they have a very similar haircut, and they have this very, very
34:5134 minutes, 51 secondssimilar build, like very petite and fair-skinned, just very and very classy.
34:5934 minutes, 59 secondsAnd I think I-- so sometimes I, I get her a little bit confused. But as-- but her own body of work, I don't think so.
35:0535 minutes, 5 secondsbody of work- I feel like I know that name more so than actually her, and she comes from an acting family, and you get her confused with Natasha because they're sisters.
35:1735 minutes, 17 secondsNo way. Oh my gosh, that's so funny. I love that. Well, that's, that's hilarious. That makes a lot of sense now.
35:2535 minutes, 25 secondsAnd the classy, this will also track because their parents are Tony Richardson and Vanessa Redgrave.
35:3435 minutes, 34 secondsOkay. Oh my gosh, that's so cool. And the gr- their grandpa is Sir Michael Redgrave, so they're,
35:4235 minutes, 42 secondsyou know, they have this air about them, Yes. Yeah. That's really cool. Mm-hmm. She was nominated for... Now, I don't watch the show.
35:5135 minutes, 51 secondsI'm cur- It sounds like maybe you haven't either, because you would've maybe brought her up.
35:5535 minutes, 55 secondsBut she was nominated for a Golden Globe maybe on more than one year for her performance in the TV show "Nip/Tuck." I feel like I'm very No, I know I'm very familiar with Nip/Tuck, but I did not watch it.
36:0836 minutes, 8 secondsI think that was-- I for whatever reason, that missed me.
36:1136 minutes, 11 secondsI'm not quite-- I was in college when Nip/Tuck was a thing, and I, I honestly couldn't give you a solid reason as to why I didn't watch it.
36:2036 minutes, 20 secondsIt just never, never really happened. I kinda missed it. Yeah, same.
36:2336 minutes, 23 secondsShe was in a few episodes of "The Tudors," which I did watch and love. She played... Yeah, I can't remember who she played.
36:3136 minutes, 31 secondsBut that tracks, you know, British and everything, and also "The Patriot," the movie "The Patriot." Oh, nice. So I feel like I've probably seen her sprinkled in things.
36:4136 minutes, 41 secondsYes. She never stands out.
36:4436 minutes, 44 secondsAgain, she's, it's kind of that meek, mild-mannered nature I feel that she has.
36:4936 minutes, 49 secondsThe woman who plays the nanny is Joan Plowright, and we talked about her on this season, in the "Dennis the Menace" episode, because she played Mrs. Wilson.
37:0137 minutes, 1 secondA very, ba- basically playing the same, same sweet, older lovely woman.
37:0637 minutes, 6 secondsBut h- before doing that episode, I did not realize that she is an extremely accomplished actress. Oh, really?
37:1437 minutes, 14 secondsThat's so cool.
37:1537 minutes, 15 secondsshe was just before our time, you Yep, yep. She reminds me so much of An- Angela Lansbury.
37:2037 minutes, 20 secondsShe gives like very similar energy of just this kind of classy classy
37:2637 minutes, 26 secondschic older woman, but it can also be, you know, that there's two different versions, of course, of Angela Lansbury.
37:3337 minutes, 33 secondsThere's the teapot, and then there's the really, like, wicked mom from Mandarin Candidate She can do both very well, and she kind of gives me that same energy
37:4337 minutes, 43 secondsthat like, even though she's sweet, she could probably turn it on and give you a diff- completely different very- Mm-hmm fun.
37:4937 minutes, 49 secondsShe kind of fits that bill because even though she's sweet, she can also turn on it and be- Mm-hmm. Yeah. She's a delight. I just, yeah, I, I like her presence.
37:5337 minutes, 53 secondsAnd then our, our basically our Marv and Harry here, it, it's Horace and Jasper.
38:0038 minutesAnd you had mentioned already, so Jasper is Hugh Laurie, and he's most
38:0638 minutes, 6 secondsfamous or he's most known, I would say, for the TV series "House." I'm sure he's in a ton of other things, I just, that's what I know him from.
38:1338 minutes, 13 secondsI've not seen that show either.
38:1538 minutes, 15 secondsSo like with this, So my husband loves that show, so I've seen a couple of episodes here and there.
38:2038 minutes, 20 secondsBut when we got together and got married, House was fading out, so it wasn't like a show that we needed to regularly tune into.
38:2938 minutes, 29 secondsSo I'd catch him watching it every now and again.
38:3138 minutes, 31 secondsIt's funny because he's an American in that show, so he has a totally different accent and, and kind of funny. He is not hairy and is not funny. He is very thin and not funny. And I feel like that- Oh.
38:3838 minutes, 38 secondsOh, that's he's really snarky and very, very
38:4538 minutes, 45 secondslike sharp-witted -- it's a huge departure from this because in this
38:4938 minutes, 49 secondsone,-- they're both funny, but he's more funny, sarcastic in House, whereas as Jasper, it's almost more like physical comedy, and he's and just goofiness.
39:0239 minutes, 2 secondsBut, but he does a great job.
39:0339 minutes, 3 secondsAnd I think his, his voice as Jasper, I think that that's like just his natural voice, I believe. When watching him in interviews, it sounds very similar. as well. Mm-hmm.
39:1139 minutes, 11 secondsI mean, that, that tracks. Yeah. These are the henchmen.
39:1439 minutes, 14 secondsCruel- Cruella's incompetent henchmen. Horace is played by Mark Williams, and I did look him up. He's in a few of the "Harry Potter" movies.
39:2339 minutes, 23 secondsI am unfamiliar with him, but he does seem to have a very solid acting resume.
39:2839 minutes, 28 secondsAnd, the UK listeners, I don't know, maybe he's, maybe they're screaming right now and they're like, "He's in such and such," and, "How do you not know that?"
39:3639 minutes, 36 secondsHe's, He's, Ronald- he's Ron Weasley's dad in all of the Harry Potters, so he's probably in... I think there's eight or nine Harry Potter movies.
39:4839 minutes, 48 secondsI might be, I might get that Are there really? Okay. lot of Harry Potter movies.
39:5239 minutes, 52 secondsThey came out, the first one came out when I was in the eighth grade, and then the very last one, I had kids.
39:5839 minutes, 58 secondsIt's just, was like, Harry Potter meets the Very Bad Fucking Guys. Wow. there's so many.
40:0040 minutesBut but he plays one of the main characters' dads, and so he-- and he's like a, just a goofy, silly wizard, but he has such a solid heart.
40:1140 minutes, 11 secondsAnd Harry, to just give you, a small context of, like, Harry's past is he's an orphan, and he lives with his aunt and uncle, and his aunt and uncle are, like, really wretched kinda awful people.
40:2140 minutes, 21 secondsSo Ron and his friend take him in, and so, this poor Mark Williams' character is almost like a surrogate father to him, and he's, he's a really good guy.
40:3240 minutes, 32 secondsOh, that is really helpful context.
40:3340 minutes, 33 secondsSo what were your thoughts in seeing him play this very different type of character as Horace? Honestly, I love it.
40:4140 minutes, 41 secondsI think it suits him so well because even though he's you know, he's a bad guy and he has, and he has ill intent, it-- there's still so many elements that are the exact same because he's goofy, he's a little over the top.
40:5640 minutes, 56 secondsHe and he's not quite as smart.
41:0041 minutesLike, he definitely plays someone who's, just dim-witted, just not, not a very smart guy.
41:0441 minutes, 4 secondsBut I think still that still that of the two, if you were to ask is... There's always the more innocent henchman
41:1241 minutes, 12 secondswho's just kind of following orders ver- whereas the one who's kind of, a little bit more on the cruel side.
41:1641 minutes, 16 secondsAnd there's, you-- every now and again, you get a tinge of innocence from Horace where you're like, "Oh, man," "he kind of just seems like seems like a,
41:2541 minutes, 25 secondsa, a good guy who just got caught up in a lot of really bad circumstances," but it's like, I don't really think he wants to do this.
41:3141 minutes, 31 secondsI don't-- I think if you really sat down and you were like, "You, you and I both know that you don't wanna be here, right?" And I think he'd eventually just
41:3941 minutes, 39 secondsbe like, "You're right, I don't, and I just want a hug, and I wanna go home." Yeah. He, he does seem a bit dimwitted too, and that's played for laughs.
41:4741 minutes, 47 secondsBut yeah, the innocence, I agree. He's, he's definitely the more innocent one. When she's, when they're all in the what do they call them? D- like a paddy wagon.
41:5441 minutes, 54 secondsIs that what they call like It's one of my favorite parts, yes.
41:5941 minutes, 59 secondsAll four of them, 'cause the Skinner guy that got, his name is actually Skinner or his nickname, whatever.
42:0342 minutes, 3 secondsHe's the one who was gonna skin the puppies and He also, at the very beginning, they kill a zoo, a rare endangered tiger from the I know.
42:1342 minutes, 13 secondsI know. It's horrible. Yeah. Okay. So yeah, he, so he's the fourth person.
42:1842 minutes, 18 secondsSo they're all in the paddy wagon and she's like, "You guys get the gold, silver, and bronze for..." I can't remember what she says, like The Morons Olympics, yeah.
42:2942 minutes, 29 secondsIt takes a minute, and you can see Horace is trying to kind of hold it back, and then he's like, "Who gets the gold?" But yeah, who won the gold?
42:3742 minutes, 37 secondsIt is so funny 'cause you know that there's always, there's always someone in that group that's like, "Wait, who? Is it me? Did I win the gold?" You did Yeah.
42:4842 minutes, 48 secondsUgh. Oh my gosh. And the music is done by Michael Kamen. That probably sounds familiar to you or no?
42:5642 minutes, 56 secondsNot You might... Not by name, but I bet if you list off some of his accolades that I would-- it'd ring a bell. by name, but I bet if you said Yeah.
43:0343 minutes, 3 secondsHis career it's very diverse as well.
43:0543 minutes, 5 secondsHe started out like before he did film scores, he worked with, seemingly every band known to man, like Pink Floyd, Aerosmith, Tom Petty, Queen, Metallica, Guns N' Roses, on and on and on and on.
43:1643 minutes, 16 secondsAnd then he got into doing film scores, and we talked about Michael Kamen for scoring "Road House" last season, the Patrick Swayze movie.
43:2643 minutes, 26 secondsOther big hitters would be, again, "Mr. Holland's Opus." So I'm wondering if the director, Stephen Herek,
43:3543 minutes, 35 seconds'cause he directed If that's the reason he brought him over was because they worked together on that.
43:3943 minutes, 39 secondsBut also "Die Hard," "Lethal Weapon," "Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves," "Highlander." yeah, And "The X-Files," big... He did X-Files?
43:4943 minutes, 49 secondsThe theme music for "X-Files," yeah. Stop. That's so iconic. That's amazing. Yeah.
43:5443 minutes, 54 secondsSo nothing, you know, nothing to sneeze at, and he thusly won a number of very prestigious awards.
44:0044 minutesSo Good for who did the music for this.
44:0344 minutes, 3 secondsI did notice, it's also understated, but there were a few times that I was like, "Oh, that was really smart." And I can't, I can't think of the examples, but I did think that the music was very helpful on this.
44:1544 minutes, 15 secondsIt wasn't just a throwaway. It was intentional, and I could feel that.
44:1944 minutes, 19 secondsI love when a good score should guide your emotions as you're watching the movie, and This one definitely did that, and I think especially in the good moments
44:2944 minutes, 29 seconds'cause it had this and like this kind of pi- which almost kind of mimics like the pitter-patter of a dog or a puppy walking.
44:4144 minutes, 41 secondsAnd I, I don't know, it's, it, it really worked very well.
44:4444 minutes, 44 secondsAnd I... Anytime that that came, and it would repeat itself anytime that there was a triumphant moment throughout the movie.
44:5144 minutes, 51 secondsSo yes, I think you, you notice the score enough to recognize the
44:5844 minutes, 58 secondsrecall when you hear it repeated and appreciate those moments, but it doesn't stand out enough to then take your m- mind outside of the story.
45:0945 minutes, 9 secondsIt's like that perfect dance, which I imagine is actually like super, super challenging. a big thing for me as a director. Like- I bet. Yeah. I, I, I agree.
45:1645 minutes, 16 secondsI'm, excited to, to talk about a movie that's well done with, a lot of really accoladed actors and directors and composers, because we've been in a stretch of really bad...
45:2845 minutes, 28 secondsYeah. The last several John Hughes movies, a lot of his kid movies aren't... Mm. I feel like he didn't really put in the effort. But here I feel like this is definitely a win.
45:3745 minutes, 37 secondsSo where I was going with that It's been a long time since I've gotten to talk about awards a movie receiving any awards, and Glenn Close was nominated for a Golden Globe for this movie, and that seems like that kind of a thing doesn't happen.
45:5445 minutes, 54 secondsIt's very rare. Yeah. It's very, very rare for a children's movie to be nominated. You know that it's just that good that they couldn't ignore it.
46:0246 minutes, 2 secondsI think the only other time that it's been done for a live action Disney movie was Johnny Depp was nominated a couple of times as Captain Jack Sparrow.
46:1346 minutes, 13 secondsBut but he didn't win, but he was nominated.
46:1546 minutes, 15 secondsBut that was also a really big deal because that movie ultimately was designed to be a family movie, and that typically doesn't speak to the Oscar Right.
46:2646 minutes, 26 secondsKind of zeitgeist that they're looking for.
46:2846 minutes, 28 secondsThey're always kind of looking for that like obscure, trendy, avant-garde and, But it just, Glenn's work honestly speaks for itself.
46:3746 minutes, 37 secondsLike she was perfect. She did... Like this movie would not be the movie that it is today without Glenn Close, like just hard stop.
46:4646 minutes, 46 secondsBut it just was what- 100%. And also the hair and makeup received a BAFTA nom.
46:5146 minutes, 51 secondsAgain, they didn't win, but a BAFTA nom. This is set in London, a lot of British actors and stuff, so that's very fitting. Yeah.
46:5946 minutes, 59 secondsThis is fantastic. Of course. about this. Yeah, I mean, the black and white hair, I mean, it's amazing.
47:0547 minutes, 5 secondsI mean, they just-- everything, they brought in all the elements that you expect and just did it so well.
47:1247 minutes, 12 secondsEverything brought in all the elements that you would expect and- Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
47:1547 minutes, 15 secondsOne of the other things that I took note of was the- The animal actors, there were so-- in addition to the dogs, the Dalmatians and other dogs, there were so many animals.
47:2847 minutes, 28 secondsThey're doing a really Yeah, Yeah, they do so well.
47:3247 minutes, 32 secondsI honestly wa- rewatching it this time, I-- the one animal that I think captivated me the most was Perdy.
47:4047 minutes, 40 secondsI think she, that dog did a great job. She did a really, really good job.
47:4547 minutes, 45 secondsYou know, I mean, you, when you watch the movie as an adult, you understand that this is the dog is being, it has a trainer, and the, this is all kind of being done.
47:5447 minutes, 54 secondsThere's, someone's behind the scene making them bark or wince or do any of the things, and they're supposed to do it.
48:0048 minutesBut the trainer, the dog, the editing, every piece of the puzzle that needed to
48:0848 minutes, 8 secondscome together to make it work made Perdy really seem like this, like, concerned mother and made her seem like she was really falling in love with Pongo.
48:1848 minutes, 18 secondsAnd even watching it as an adult, knowing full well what's going on behind the scenes, like, you still get sucked into this sweet little story.
48:2648 minutes, 26 secondsAnd like, even her bark is, like, so cute and dainty, and I just, I, I loved her. I thought she was fantastic.
48:3348 minutes, 33 secondsAnd I was always a Pongo girl when I was a kid. I loved Pongo and the ... He was my favorite in the in the animated one.
48:4148 minutes, 41 secondsBut I, and I really liked him as a kid in the live action. But this time around, I was giving Perdy her flowers. She did great.
48:4948 minutes, 49 secondsI appreciate how great the editing was.
48:5048 minutes, 50 secondsI do recall in the original, the animated one, Mm-hmm. characteristics, yes, very, very dainty.
48:5848 minutes, 58 secondsPerdita, like just and, and how Pongo, I-- So even the dogs were very representative of their, the characters on which they're based very well.
49:0849 minutes, 8 secondsI also wanted to call out was it the Airedale, Terrier Arendelle, yeah.
49:1349 minutes, 13 secondsHelping the puppies and he's telling all the farm animals Yeah, what's going on, literally doing charades.
49:1949 minutes, 19 secondsI'm like, that dog, I mean, good job. It's so amazing.
49:2449 minutes, 24 secondsI was like, "This, these dogs, I hope that they had lots of treats on set." And you're absolutely right.
49:2949 minutes, 29 secondsThere's other ... there was, there were pigs, sheep, that ... There was a horse that did a great amount of acting with having to kick and, and wince.
49:3949 minutes, 39 secondsAnd I mean, it was just They did a great job because I think the reason why the, the human
49:4649 minutes, 46 secondsactors are so understated, I feel like is so intentional because the movie's ultimately not about them. It's about the animals.
49:5449 minutes, 54 secondsJohn Hughes and the actors, they all really understood the assignment.
49:5749 minutes, 57 secondsThe only actor that really is designed to be over the top is Cruella, and everybody else is kind of just vehicles to make the story happen for the animals.
50:0950 minutes, 9 secondsAnd have and so they just, they all did such a good job coming together and making it feel sweet and whimsical, and it just, it all worked so well.
50:2150 minutes, 21 secondsI loved they all really understand this like the only actor that really is designed to be the top tier Cruella.
50:2450 minutes, 24 secondsEverybody else is kind of just vehicles to make the story happen or vehicles that, And so they just all do such a good job working together Yes.
50:3250 minutes, 32 secondsmaking it feel sweet but still different. I, on that point, y- yes, everything you said 100%. I feel like now some-- There was some early CGI in this.
50:4050 minutes, 40 secondsBut, but this is '96.
50:4250 minutes, 42 secondsI, I didn't mind it at all because it wasn't over, like it wasn't overused, and for '96 it was pretty good.
50:4650 minutes, 46 secondsBut I feel like now instead of having, And I know some of the, some of them are probably animatronics and stuff, but I prefer that over CGI animal any day, you know?
50:5750 minutes, 57 secondsSo, I don't know. Yeah. I do have a question, a couple questions. What is Cruella's plan?
51:0651 minutes, 6 secondsI know this is a Disney movie, but she's planning to... Where is she gonna wear this coat
51:1251 minutes, 12 secondsand have no one no- no one notice that it's, "Hey, a bunch of Dalmatians went missing and now there's a Dalmatian coat."
51:2151 minutes, 21 secondsNot to mention that she ... The one thing that, like a plot hole that confused me was how long it took Anita to figure out that
51:3051 minutes, 30 secondsa villain and you're- It's like, why wasn't that the first thing on your actually starts thinking- Oh my God.
51:3651 minutes, 36 secondsyes, so like it's like halfway through the movie. Yes. You know she's been over. She's already solicit you, solicited you for the puppies.
51:4351 minutes, 43 secondsShe's told you what she intends to do with them, and then she also stormed out really angry.
51:5151 minutes, 51 secondsAnd to know her is to know that she's not the person who's gonna take no for an answer to sh- boss, so you know her.
51:5751 minutes, 57 secondsAnd I, I watched that and I was like, "Huh. I'm s- wait. I thought this ... I must have, like, missed that, that she actually didn't realize that?"
52:0752 minutes, 7 seconds'Cause to your point, Cruella had-- I mean, the only way that that would've worked, she would've had to just like move and just start... I mean,
52:1452 minutes, 14 secondsyou can't wear that to a red carpet that to knowing full... But same thing, but the exact same thing with the tiger.
52:2252 minutes, 22 secondsLike if, you know, that was like a huge news story in London at the time, so if you just come walking out with that tiger coat, like everybody's gonna know.
52:3252 minutes, 32 secondsSo I... That is definitely a, a weird plot hole that, that she doesn't actually fully address. Great.
52:4052 minutes, 40 secondsI'm glad that you brought up the Anita taking forever to figure it out.
52:4452 minutes, 44 secondsI too was like, "Oh my God, Anita, get with the guess.
52:4952 minutes, 49 secondsYeah, we kind of already talked about like a lot of the "Home Alone" stuff, and a lot of times I kind of, I don't know if complain is the right word, but it's just not as well done, you know, in a lot of his other movies.
53:0053 minutesNot "Home Alone," but kinda tries to repeat that same formula over and over and over again.
53:0753 minutes, 7 secondsBut it somehow it works in this as well. Yes. Don't you think? There weren't too many. And they were a little bit different.
53:1553 minutes, 15 secondsThere were some that were a trademark, do you have thoughts about that, that typical the falls and mishaps and stuff?
53:2353 minutes, 23 secondsI think it's-- I think when it's done, I think the f- the formula really is like you have to have... And honestly, I'm gonna take a note from that kid that tests all the video games.
53:3553 minutes, 35 secondsLike he really is spot on. Like you need a villain. Whoever your villain is, like that matters. And I think why Home Alone matters so much is because the Wet Bandits are...
53:4653 minutes, 46 secondsEven though they're inherently bad, and we know this, and no one's rooting for them to successfully hurt Kevin or raid the house, but but there's a
53:5553 minutes, 55 secondssilliness to them that makes it fun to watch, and you ultimately can infer that everything's gonna end up okay. So there's not a lot of fear.
54:0354 minutes, 3 secondsIt's just kind of more fun. And I think that that really applies itself to this movie.
54:0954 minutes, 9 secondsI think that it feels earned is so important when the puppies start fighting back because the kidnapping's happened and
54:1854 minutes, 18 secondsand they've all been rescued and it's you know, it's really just kind of like one puppy against the other ones.
54:2454 minutes, 24 secondsAnd they're-- the fall through the rotting wood, that's definitely a John my favorite part.
54:2854 minutes, 28 secondsMm-hmm, trademark.
54:3054 minutes, 30 secondsI-- The one that I remember sticking with me when I was a kid, and it was just as impactful watching it now, is when Horace gets flown into the pond, and he is like freezing.
54:4054 minutes, 40 secondsHe's like, "Cold, cold," and he like fl- Freezes. in place- He literally freezes in place. yeah, literally freezes, yes.
54:4754 minutes, 47 secondsAnd then the last one that I feel was kind of a fun different element watching this crap
54:5454 minutes, 54 secondsthese raccoons and their squirrel they're all messing with their van, and they're doing it probably 10 to 15 minutes prior before any of this other stuff starts happening.
55:0555 minutes, 5 secondsSo then they get into the car, and you kind of almost forget that all that's been done and and so they're driving away, and he's like, "I'm so cold. I'm so cold.
55:1355 minutes, 13 secondsI just need the heat. I just need the heat." And turns it on and blazes fire. He's like, "Too hot, too hot." And I don't know, it works for me.
55:1955 minutes, 19 secondsI think like one to two things per guy, and so I think because, you know, in again, in like a Home Alone or something else, it was like that's kind of more the central focus of the movie.
55:3255 minutes, 32 secondsSo I think because it was so minimal, you were able to enjoy it without it getting stale. Yeah, those are great points.
55:3955 minutes, 39 secondsThey did a good job setting up something and then you kinda forget about it and it's gonna happen later. There were several of those.
55:4555 minutes, 45 secondsThe, the skunk one too. You're like, "This is here for a reason.
55:4955 minutes, 49 secondsWhen is, when's it gonna happen? When's it gonna happen?" Always a little bit of a surprise. I did also read to your point about that kid is right.
55:5655 minutes, 56 secondsThe villain needs to... you need a proper villain, and I guess it was Glenn Close's idea to kinda change her a little bit.
56:0456 minutes, 4 secondsI guess the original written version of her was too soft in, in Glenn's Ooh, okay.
56:1056 minutes, 10 secondsSo she was hoping and proposed that she play it bitchier and funnier, She did great, and I, it, yeah, it totally works, so.
56:2056 minutes, 20 secondsYeah, she did fantastic. And then she thought that making... I mean, she's right. This is, this is true. This is what you were saying. This is what the kid is saying.
56:2756 minutes, 27 secondsIt's a whole comeuppance. But she said it's more deserving and we, we really enjoy her getting that at the
56:3556 minutes, 35 secondsend because because she was so extreme Yes, I love that. the movie.
56:4056 minutes, 40 secondsAnd the kid says it perfectly because when, um, when, Roger is like, "What if, what if we could find a different villain, like
56:4756 minutes, 47 secondssomebody you could really hate?" And he makes this really poignant comment of like, it's not hatred that's important, it's the , desire to annihilate."
56:5556 minutes, 55 secondsAnd that is why all of these different movies where you have really colorful villains, it works because you aga- you don't hate them.
57:0457 minutes, 4 secondsYou don't hate the Wet Bandits, you don't hate Horace and Jasper.
57:0757 minutes, 7 secondsYou don't really... You, you strongly dislike Cruella, but you're also strangely attracted to seeing her on your screen, and you're excited when she fails and when she gets arrested.
57:1957 minutes, 19 secondsBut it doesn't change the fact that You recognize also that she's just iconic, and it's just amazing to watch. So hatred is not a part of the recipe.
57:2857 minutes, 28 secondsIt's just being so excited when the payoff finally comes, and they all get arrested and skunked in the backseat of the car, and it works.
57:3857 minutes, 38 secondsIt definitely does.
57:3957 minutes, 39 secondsSo there's a few other things that Glenn that I, I read about how she approached the role.
57:4557 minutes, 45 secondsHave you ever seen the show or heard of it, a '90s British show called "Absolutely Fabulous"? No.
57:5257 minutes, 52 secondsNo, I've never heard of him before It's hard to explain. It is so funny. It's very specific.
57:5957 minutes, 59 secondsIt's these two rich, middle-aged women d- and just, like, they're, they're just ridiculous. Like, they're just so over the top.
58:0758 minutes, 7 secondsAnyway, one of the characters' names is Patsy.
58:1158 minutes, 11 secondsJoanna... the, I think the actress is Joanna Lumley, and she's playing Patsy.
58:1658 minutes, 16 secondsAnd glenn Close based her vocal enunciations on the way that Patsy talks, and it is very specific. So I, I thought that was awesome.
58:2558 minutes, 25 secondsThe costumes, I guess, were... Yes, and it took weeks to design and, all of these fittings with her, and she was in the corsets.
58:3558 minutes, 35 secondsAnd I did notice in one scene, I'm like, "Oh my God, her waist is tiny." Her waist was 21 inches at the Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh.
58:4358 minutes, 43 secondsYeah, no, that's so tiny. Yes, I-- specifically, she's like sitting, and she stands up, and I
58:5058 minutes, 50 secondsremember when she stood, I was like, "Oh my gosh, she has a legitimate Coke bottle body." She is just so snatched.
58:5858 minutes, 58 secondsOh my gosh, the outfits were amazing.
59:0059 minutesThat whole red outfit with the red leather boots, I loved that so Oh, the outfits were amazing. outfits were so good.
59:0859 minutes, 8 secondsher design, the House of Deville, her fashion empire, it was so chic.
59:1359 minutes, 13 secondsI mean, aside from the fact that it's animals' fur and stuff, like I, I hate all of that.
59:1859 minutes, 18 secondsBut I don't know, there was something, something about it that was just epic. But she couldn't sit down. She couldn't breathe sometimes.
59:2659 minutes, 26 secondsShe'd get faint 'cause of the corset being so, so tight.
59:3059 minutes, 30 secondsAnd she stayed in character a lot and therefore, a lot of the animals were actually afraid of her. Oh, my gosh.
59:3859 minutes, 38 secondsI know.
59:3859 minutes, 38 secondsIt's so It...
59:4059 minutes, 40 secondssad I didn't realize this about her, but I guess she's a stickler for method acting and, things being authentic. And now that.
59:4759 minutes, 47 secondsI'm think- saying that, I'm like, "Of course. Yeah, think, think through things, Katie. Yeah, of course." She insisted on doing the vat of molasses stunt herself.
59:5859 minutes, 58 secondsYeah. Wow. That scene's actually terrifying.
1:00:001 hourWhen she comes back up for air, that is the scene that reminds me the most of Fatal Attraction, 'cause she gives that same c- blood-curdling scream when she comes up.
1:00:111 hour, 11 secondsAnd I mean, I would too, to be fair, if I was just, Mm-hmm. Completely submerged in molasses.
1:00:171 hour, 17 secondsBut but yeah, I mean, that scene is, actually legitimately scary when she comes back from the water and then...
1:00:251 hour, 25 secondsOr the, out of the molasses, and then poor thing, she just has no choice but to exhaustedly roll out and just get... she's, like, basically tarred and feathered.
1:00:351 hour, 35 secondsYeah, 'cause she gets kicked into the mud or the... Right?
1:00:381 hour, 38 secondsSomething like even after that, I don't know if it's manure or mud or both, but That's where she gets found, and she's like, "What's wrong?
1:00:451 hour, 45 secondswhat's Yeah. Something wrong. Yeah.
1:00:501 hour, 50 secondsThis happens a lot in movies, like obviously everyone loved this, and the puppies are so cute, and so there's always this... Whenever there's a specific breed
1:01:001 hour, 1 minuteof dog or animal in a popular show or a movie, of course there's a giant uptick of people, purchasing those dogs and then, Oh, yeah.
1:01:091 hour, 1 minute, 9 secondsless than you know, breeders that are doing it for the wrong reasons and stuff.
1:01:141 hour, 1 minute, 14 secondsAnd I'm such a huge advocate for, adopting from shelters and rescue groups and stuff like that, so this always irks me.
1:01:211 hour, 1 minute, 21 secondsBut per ushe, you know, 'cause people be people-ing Dalmatian sales shot up after the premiere. Impulsive purchases.
1:01:281 hour, 1 minute, 28 secondsAnd Dalmatians are a very specific breed, probably not suited for a lot of people, and so people were ill-prepared, and so there was like a huge surge in Dalmatians
1:01:381 hour, 1 minute, 38 secondsshowing up at shelters and having to be euthanized, Oh, that's so sad.
1:01:431 hour, 1 minute, 43 secondsMy next door neighbor growing up had a Dalmatian, and I'm-- I don't wanna speak ill of any... I mean, 'cause I'm a big dog person.
1:01:511 hour, 1 minute, 51 secondsI love dogs. And I think that that particular Dalmatian had a huge bond to its owner. But nonetheless, he did not really like a whole lot of other people.
1:02:001 hour, 2 minutesSo, it was a thing that we all just, knew to stay away, 'cause of course, when you, especially when you love dogs, you don't wanna provoke a dog for the dog and for your own safety.
1:02:091 hour, 2 minutes, 9 secondsBut, But that dog was always so pretty to look at. It was like eye candy.
1:02:141 hour, 2 minutes, 14 seconds... we always like- ...loved looking at him, but everybody knew you don't run up and pet him. He, he doesn't like it. But he loved, loved, loved his owner.
1:02:231 hour, 2 minutes, 23 secondsAnd so that was kind of always a treat.
1:02:251 hour, 2 minutes, 25 secondsAnd slightly a bummer because when the-- when he had a Dalmatian, I was like, "Oh, naturally," like, "He's like a Pongo." And then we loved it.
1:02:321 hour, 2 minutes, 32 secondsBut but that is really, really sad. You were right. Dalmatians are, from what I understand, are just kind of a-- almost like a
1:02:401 hour, 2 minutes, 40 secondshusky in the sense where they're, like, kinda ornery, and they're sensitive, so they're just not really for everybody.
1:02:461 hour, 2 minutes, 46 secondsBut I think in the right circumstance, in the right environment, there's, Like I said, him and him and his owner had Yeah, I, I-- Same.
1:02:531 hour, 2 minutes, 53 secondsIt's just like the, this hap- whatever the movie is, a certain breed gets popular and, and it's impulsive purchases.
1:02:591 hour, 2 minutes, 59 secondsAgain, like Yeah.
1:03:011 hour, 3 minutes, 1 secondevery family is different and every pet should be suited to you, so do a little bit of research.
1:03:051 hour, 3 minutes, 5 secondsAlso, as Bob Barker says, help control The pet population, by having your pets spayed or neutered.
1:03:121 hour, 3 minutes, 12 secondsI c- That's right.
1:03:141 hour, 3 minutes, 14 secondsit kinda drove me nuts that at the end, I know it's a, it's a movie, but they're like Oh, their g- and their kids, and I'm like, "Can you spay and neuter these dang dogs Seriously, you're, like, living in a castle.
1:03:251 hour, 3 minutes, 25 secondsThat's-- yes, that's really funny. We we-- So we, we just actually... Ugh, we had to say goodbye in November. Oh, I remember podcasting with you, so I told you this.
1:03:331 hour, 3 minutes, 33 secondsBut we had to say goodbye to our 14-year-old dog, and that was so rough on our whole family. We loved her so deeply.
1:03:401 hour, 3 minutes, 40 secondsBut we, yeah, we did copious amounts of research first because We really were really aware of what we wanted. We wanted a dog that that would be great. We had-- She was a border collie.
1:03:481 hour, 3 minutes, 48 secondsShe was fantastic. She was my little, like, running buddy. And then and then so good with the kids. Oh my gosh, yeah.
1:03:531 hour, 3 minutes, 53 secondsVery high energy, but in the best... But at the time when we were young, it was perfect for us. And, And then she was, like, our kids' best bud.
1:04:021 hour, 4 minutes, 2 secondsAnd ugh, Yeah, that's really love her so much.
1:04:041 hour, 4 minutes, 4 secondsI love the, I know, we'll get a... The, the kids are all like, "Mom, can we please get a dog? Can we please get a dog?" And we're in an interim phase of life where we're building a house, and we're living with my parents in the interim.
1:04:161 hour, 4 minutes, 16 secondsAnd I'm like, "Not now." "Now is not the time.
1:04:181 hour, 4 minutes, 18 secondsnow." Like, like, "We can't do this to Nani and Papa and bring a puppy in the house." I was like, "But I promise a puppy is, is big on the agenda."
1:04:271 hour, 4 minutes, 27 secondsSo this got all of the kids-- Watching this movie got everybody really... We caught the puppy bug Well, how could you not?
1:04:341 hour, 4 minutes, 34 secondsThose puppies, it was cuteness overload. I mean, I, you just can't stand it.
1:04:391 hour, 4 minutes, 39 secondsI did also read a few varying accounts of how many Dalmatians were used, for the shooting of this. So it was-- So there's two adult dogs, right?
1:04:481 hour, 4 minutes, 48 secondsBut they had 20 actually playing Pongo and Oh, wow. Okay. I never would've known.
1:04:551 hour, 4 minutes, 55 secondsI I don't know how that works. But somewhere between 230 and 300 puppies because they had to be a certain age, like between five and six weeks, and then the, you know, if they get too big...
1:05:091 hour, 5 minutes, 9 secondsSo they had to, you know, Ugh, can you imagine being, like, an assistant or something on set and they're
1:05:161 hour, 5 minutes, 16 secondslike, "Hey, listen we need your help. I need you to just entertain these, we're gonna just give each of you 20 puppies, and you just have to basically
1:05:241 hour, 5 minutes, 24 secondskeep them entertained for an hour." I... That would be like, sign me up 100%. I want that job.
1:05:321 hour, 5 minutes, 32 secondsWe used Oh my God.
1:05:341 hour, 5 minutes, 34 secondsI was in college, this was before we could have a dog, 'cause we were living in an apartment, they were, like, really strict about pets.
1:05:401 hour, 5 minutes, 40 secondsBut whenever we were bored, my my roommate and I would go to the Humane Society and just play with the puppies all day long.
1:05:461 hour, 5 minutes, 46 secondsBecause oh my gosh, they just let you sit in a room and play with puppies, and who doesn't love to sit and play with puppies? It is the best.
1:05:541 hour, 5 minutes, 54 secondsYeah, it's like total dopamine spike. It was the best.
1:05:581 hour, 5 minutes, 58 secondsI gotta figure out a way to get paid to do that, you Right. I know. We really do.
1:06:031 hour, 6 minutes, 3 secondsAnd we, we eventually got to a point where they were like, this particular Humane Society was really busy, and they were real- and which is a good
1:06:111 hour, 6 minutes, 11 secondsthing, but they they started to get irritated with us 'cause they They knew that, we had no intention of adopting.
1:06:161 hour, 6 minutes, 16 secondsEventually, when we moved into a place that would allow me to have a cat, I did adopt a cat, but I, Oh. Yes, I loved her. We had her for 13 years.
1:06:251 hour, 6 minutes, 25 secondsBut we were like "But why, why is the problem that we're here? We're just...
1:06:281 hour, 6 minutes, 28 secondsWe're gonna entertain them. We're outside, so we'll make sure everybody goes to the bathroom before we walk them back in." It's, you know, it's like you're a free volunteer, basically.
1:06:361 hour, 6 minutes, 36 secondsYeah.
1:06:371 hour, 6 minutes, 37 secondsI mean, they probably need more volunteers to walk the adult dogs that are, like, just stuck in their kennels all day. I Bless their hearts, I know.
1:06:451 hour, 6 minutes, 45 secondsWe would play with some of those too, to be fair. We, yes. But yeah, I mean, the puppies are just, way too cute in this.
1:06:531 hour, 6 minutes, 53 secondsI'm a huge animal person. I loved all the animals in this. What I didn't know, it's also kind of sad, but I did not know that...
1:07:031 hour, 7 minutes, 3 secondsSo there's skunks and raccoons in the movie, obviously, and this is set in London. Well, apparently those are, are not inhabitants of the UK.
1:07:121 hour, 7 minutes, 12 secondsOh, I didn't know that. Yeah. That's so crazy.
1:07:161 hour, 7 minutes, 16 secondsLike they're not natural... They do not naturally exist there I guess they're like more like woodland creatures, and I guess I'm trying to think of what's the natural terrain in London?
1:07:291 hour, 7 minutes, 29 secondsIs it just more There's not like a lot of woodsy areas.
1:07:331 hour, 7 minutes, 33 secondsI'm trying to I have no I don't know.
1:07:351 hour, 7 minutes, 35 secondsI never-- I guess I've never really given that any thought, but that is really interesting. those two very specifically, skunks and raccoons.
1:07:431 hour, 7 minutes, 43 secondsI mean, I could be wrong.
1:07:441 hour, 7 minutes, 44 secondsI, I-- listen, I could be I believe you.
1:07:471 hour, 7 minutes, 47 secondsI'm just saying I've never thought... I'm, I guess I've-- this is one of those things I've never really even sat down and thought about. no, me neither.
1:07:531 hour, 7 minutes, 53 secondsThat's why However, the sad part is, that being said, there are actually feral populations now.
1:08:021 hour, 8 minutes, 2 secondsThere are raccoons and skunks in England because they were brought there to be bred for the fur trade as well as exotic pets.
1:08:121 hour, 8 minutes, 12 secondsAnd then, you know, people, again, people be people and, and so if some escaped or maybe people just were like, "Oh, I don't want this pet anymore, I'll
1:08:201 hour, 8 minutes, 20 secondslet it go," so then they're out there in the wild bre- so it's like feral, You know, they're just in the gosh.
1:08:261 hour, 8 minutes, 26 secondsYou know I know someone that wa- that I used to work with that had a pet raccoon, They are cute. yes, I mean, they're very, very cute.
1:08:351 hour, 8 minutes, 35 secondsAnd I think you can also get like the skunker removed, like the, whatever it is that emits the, the smell. You can get that removed from a skunk.
1:08:431 hour, 8 minutes, 43 secondsAnd then-- and I don't, I don't know if that's invasive or not to do that, but you can do it, and apparently they're like cats otherwise. Yeah.
1:08:511 hour, 8 minutes, 51 secondsThey're, I, I can, I imagine they are.
1:08:531 hour, 8 minutes, 53 secondsI was just sorta like, how about we just leave them in the wild and let them Oh, no, I'm in agreement. I'm in a, I'm-- you and I are in agreement in that.
1:08:591 hour, 8 minutes, 59 secondsI watched this show ironically also titled Fatal Attraction.
1:09:031 hour, 9 minutes, 3 secondsIt was all about like when people try to when people try to li- like inhabit wild animals as pets and how like it always goes horribly wrong.
1:09:121 hour, 9 minutes, 12 secondsSo like, no, I'm, I'm, I'm not for wild animals as pets.
1:09:161 hour, 9 minutes, 16 secondsI think it's definitely more impulsive, and it just never-- it's not sustainable, and then ultimately the animal ends up suffering.
1:09:241 hour, 9 minutes, 24 secondsAnd But I do understand the impulse, 'cause I'm like, "Oh, you're so cute." They were very cute. Yeah, they were very, very cute. Yeah. Mm-hmm.
1:09:321 hour, 9 minutes, 32 secondsLizzie, the end see I, it's been a while since I've seen this, probably not since '96 maybe, and I couldn't recall exactly how they justified in the movie them, keeping all of the dogs.
1:09:441 hour, 9 minutes, 44 secondsYeah.
1:09:441 hour, 9 minutes, 44 secondsW- so if you're in this position, they bring back the 15 puppies and Pongo and Perdita, okay?
1:09:511 hour, 9 minutes, 51 secondsTheir family's back together again, but now there's another I don't know, 86 puppies, and they're like, "Hey you want them? If not, they're going
1:10:011 hour, 10 minutes, 1 secondto the pound." And so they're like, know, I know. What are you doing?
1:10:061 hour, 10 minutes, 6 secondsYou know, I thought about this actually when I watched it, of being like, how would I reconcile doing that?
1:10:121 hour, 10 minutes, 12 secondsBut, you know, I think to bring my faith in it, I suppose, I'm a believer that I think that God puts things in our path that are, like, so...
1:10:231 hour, 10 minutes, 23 secondsYou know, there's our plans and then there's God's plans, and I think that sometimes, God reveals your calling whether you're ready for it or not.
1:10:301 hour, 10 minutes, 30 secondsAnd there's a part of me that thinks if I was in that situation, I would say to myself, like, obviously this isn't completely ideal, but it's like the alternative's just, I would never allow that.
1:10:411 hour, 10 minutes, 41 secondsSo I think maybe we just figure it out.
1:10:451 hour, 10 minutes, 45 secondsAnd even though my house is gonna be completely covered in, you know, fecal matter constantly, there's always gonna be some kind of chaos that's happening.
1:10:551 hour, 10 minutes, 55 secondsUltimately, I think the joy that would come with just having such a full house would, I guess, supersede the desire to have my house clean.
1:11:061 hour, 11 minutes, 6 secondsAnd I... your house is never gonna be-- there's no... Yeah. 100, 100 dog. And they, they grow up to be pretty good-sized dogs too.
1:11:151 hour, 11 minutes, 15 secondsYeah, and I mean, she gets a castle out of it, so I mean, I of course I guess in that aspect, like the obedience of that and and kind of to speak to the characters as
1:11:231 hour, 11 minutes, 23 secondswell, they're not living in humble means in the sense that they live in a beautiful flat in downtown London, so obviously that they have some kind of financial...
1:11:321 hour, 11 minutes, 32 secondsAnd they have a nanny.
1:11:331 hour, 11 minutes, 33 secondsSo like they they they obviously of course have connect- have some kind of financial cushion, but I think, And then later they get a castle, so obviously they have money.
1:11:441 hour, 11 minutes, 44 secondsBut I think that but I think that the way that they live their life seems very humble.
1:11:481 hour, 11 minutes, 48 secondsLike you can just tell that, like, Anita and Roger aren't really chasing, probably the best way to put it is in the beginning when Cruella is like, "Why haven't I heard from you?
1:11:581 hour, 11 minutes, 58 secondsWhy haven't I heard your work?" She basically says that, like, notoriety is not of importance to her. She's never really wanted the accolades that come with being this big designer.
1:12:071 hour, 12 minutes, 7 secondsShe just kinda wants to keep her head down and do her job and if she ever left it wouldn't be for work, it would be to start a family.
1:12:141 hour, 12 minutes, 14 secondsSo I think that with that context in mind, it makes sense why she keeps
1:12:211 hour, 12 minutes, 21 secondsthem because ultimately I think she has that anchor of knowing that just family and relationships and love and dogs are just kind of her passion.
1:12:301 hour, 12 minutes, 30 secondsSo I don't know how I would actually feel about it in the moment, but watching it, I'm like, I think as an adult, I kind of get-- I get it, and it works.
1:12:401 hour, 12 minutes, 40 secondsI mean, it's a movie, but same, I thought about it. I was like, "Hmm-" I mean, reasonably I can't have...
1:12:481 hour, 12 minutes, 48 secondsThere's literally not space in my house for 100 dogs, but I would take them.
1:12:541 hour, 12 minutes, 54 secondsI thought about it enough to be like, "Okay, well, I will take them," and then my, you know, marching orders are I'm gonna get a bunch of rescues
1:13:021 hour, 13 minutes, 2 secondsinvolved, we're gonna set up foster homes, and we're gonna find actually, you know, good adoptive homes for them, but not before they are spayed and neutered before they can go home.
1:13:161 hour, 13 minutes, 16 secondsMy God, we don't need any more. So, so yeah, I would take them and then, try and help them find families. Yes. I think that's, I think that's the right thing.
1:13:241 hour, 13 minutes, 24 secondsGoing to the pound would be sad, and I think she ultimately doesn't want that, and she knows that Purdy-- Pongo and Purdy don't want it either.
1:13:321 hour, 13 minutes, 32 secondsShe's, you know, she got-- she married Roger 'cause her dogs were in-- their dogs were in love. So she's, she's definitely devoted dog mom.
1:13:421 hour, 13 minutes, 42 secondsSpeaking of, I, I mean, again, it's a movie, but I'm-- this might be the record for the fastest engagement, Yes.
1:13:511 hour, 13 minutes, 51 secondsYeah, a hundred percent. Yes.
1:13:531 hour, 13 minutes, 53 secondsI remember not thinking very much of it the first time that I watched it, but now it's-- she's literally just "I'll marry you. If y- if, if you're
1:14:021 hour, 14 minutes, 2 secondsasking, then I'm saying yes." And Like an hour after they meet. Yeah. I mean, it's pretty amazing.
1:14:091 hour, 14 minutes, 9 secondsAnd she, you know, they, they meet and she's like, "Oh, like jolly nice human, don't you think?" And you can just tell in that mo- like there's a school of thought And I, I
1:14:201 hour, 14 minutes, 20 secondsdon't necessarily agree completely with this school of thought, but, there's, you
1:14:261 hour, 14 minutes, 26 secondsknow, at least some probably sprinkles of truth to it that it's like you tend to marry the person just because you're at a time and a place in your life where that's just, you're just ready for it.
1:14:371 hour, 14 minutes, 37 secondsAnd so the person that's in front of you then becomes the person you wanna do that with.
1:14:411 hour, 14 minutes, 41 secondsAnd I think at least in the context of this movie, I think that that tends to be true because she kind of already declared that that's like what she wants.
1:14:511 hour, 14 minutes, 51 secondsAnd so after meeting a nice guy, and he kinda semi-proposes, she's just like, "Well, okay. Let's-- Sure.
1:14:591 hour, 14 minutes, 59 secondsLet's do it." Lizzie, what are they gonna do? Their dogs fell in love.
1:15:021 hour, 15 minutes, 2 secondsW- they, they, they have to get love. Um... so funny.
1:15:071 hour, 15 minutes, 7 secondsIt-- But it, but it works, honestly, 'cause again, just to feel the storyline, like it's ultimately not really about like their love, it's the dogs'
1:15:141 hour, 15 minutes, 14 secondslove, and it all just- It makes-- you forgive so much of the silliness of the humans just because you recognize that they're not the stars of this movie.
1:15:241 hour, 15 minutes, 24 secondsAnd from a movie-making perspective, I guess they needed to get us to the dogs being stolen real quick, Yep. They need to get there quickly. Yeah. Yeah.
1:15:321 hour, 15 minutes, 32 secondsSo yeah, To be honest, I was kind of expecting to not love this movie just 'cause I've kinda been on the-- 'cause it's a kid movie. I didn't really remember it.
1:15:401 hour, 15 minutes, 40 secondsAnd I was like, dang, Cruella de Vil, Glenn Close you know, just the supporting cast, all, every, all of it.
1:15:481 hour, 15 minutes, 48 secondsIt all really worked. There was, a couple things here and there that it's not like a perfect movie.
1:15:521 hour, 15 minutes, 52 secondsBut, in our look back at "101 Dalmatians," Glenn Close stole the show, close second with the puppies, and it is definitely due for a rewatch, all of you.
1:16:051 hour, 16 minutes, 5 secondsI, I would highly recommend. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised. You know, Glenn Close and adorable puppies.
1:16:121 hour, 16 minutes, 12 secondsSo if you enjoyed this episode, take a quick second, follow if you have not, leave a rating or review would even be better.
1:16:201 hour, 16 minutes, 20 secondsShare it with a fellow retro fan.
1:16:221 hour, 16 minutes, 22 secondsYou can also reach out with your thoughts since this is the second to last episode of the John Hughes season.
1:16:291 hour, 16 minutes, 29 secondsand I could not thank Lizzy more for joining me to look back at '96 fashion and this really cute movie.
1:16:371 hour, 16 minutes, 37 secondsDo you have any final thoughts? I-- mean, I think it's fun on its own, but it's also a great family movie.
1:16:481 hour, 16 minutes, 48 secondsGood point. Yeah.
1:16:491 hour, 16 minutes, 49 secondsAnd Lizzy I genuinely, love podcasting with you, always appreciate the conversation and your perspective on things.
1:16:561 hour, 16 minutes, 56 secondsIs there anything in particular that we should look forward to on either "Retro Movie Roundtable" or any of your other projects?
1:17:061 hour, 17 minutes, 6 secondsSo I definitely keep up with Retro Movie Roundtable. I'm a regular guest on the show, so definitely keep up.
1:17:131 hour, 17 minutes, 13 secondsFormer co-host, had to scale back a little bit with life, but but I am on there regularly.
1:17:191 hour, 17 minutes, 19 secondsBut the rest of the gang is, is really fantastic, and those episodes come out weekly, so definitely check that out. a gem. Yes, I'm a big supporter.
1:17:281 hour, 17 minutes, 28 secondsI listen to every episode, love the show. So, I concur with Lizzy. Go check it out. And with that, thank you for listening.
1:17:351 hour, 17 minutes, 35 secondsUntil next time, be kind, rewind.