Another Zelda Podcast

Kady hosts her first episode as Al from The Zelda Cast joins her at the Zelda Dungeon marathon stream to talk about how the champions have changed from Breath of the Wild to Tears of the Kingdom.

HOST: Kady Roberts GUEST: Alasyn Eletha

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Kady Roberts

What is Another Zelda Podcast?

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Kady Roberts:

Hello, and welcome to another Zelda podcast. I'm your host, Katie. And today's a little weird because I'm not here with David. I'm here instead with Al from the Zelda cast.

Alasyn Eletha:

Hello. I'm so excited to be here.

Kady Roberts:

I'm very excited too. So right now, we are, as of recording this, at the Zelda Dungeon big week long marathon stream thing, which is really, really cool, and I'm having a blast getting to be here. Do you wanna just talk a little bit about what you guys have been up to?

Alasyn Eletha:

Yeah. So I'm with the ZeldaCast, which is, you know, a podcast under Zelda Dungeon, the website, and every summer, we do a marathon where we stream, for a week long, all of the Zelda games that we could possibly think of. A lot of gimmicks, a lot of other cool, like, mini things are in there as well. Like, you guys joined us for Guess That Zelda tune. It was very fun.

Alasyn Eletha:

But, basically, we're streaming so that we can raise money for a charity that we pay. Like, we pick a different one every year, usually centered around children. This year, it's for No Kid Hungry, and it's to help feed kids or get the resources so that children can be fed these meals. I believe it is a dollar. Every dollar helps with potentially 10 meals for kids.

Alasyn Eletha:

So so that's fantastic. I think we are about $6,000 in on the four day mark. So it's so far, we're having, like, an awesome time, and it's doing really well.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. It's been a blast. There's so many different people here Mhmm. From just all over.

Alasyn Eletha:

All over.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. It's been really fun. You need to talk with everyone. Mhmm. So before we hop into today, I have a little bit of listener feedback.

Kady Roberts:

Perfect. So all of these are from Apple Podcasts. Our first one, we it's just three hearts in green. It's from Cyren Cosplay who I love very much. It says, absolutely love this podcast.

Kady Roberts:

It is one of my favorites. I discovered AZP a while ago through the Zelda cast and have been slowly listening through your back catalog of episodes. Shout out from another Chicago Milwaukee area local. I love when occasionally David or Kate mentions something theater related since I work in theater as a costume technician and listen to your podcast while making things in the shop. Zelda is a roundabout Zelda in a roundabout way got me into my theater career as well, but that's a story from another time.

Kady Roberts:

Keep up the awesome work. That's nice. That's very nice. Yeah. So thank you for having us on because clearly, we get to kinda swap listeners a little bit, which is really cool.

Kady Roberts:

I'm very curious about that story about how Siren got into theater through Zelda. Yeah. I'm a big theater person. I don't know if you No.

Alasyn Eletha:

I'm not. But I it's kind of cool when you talk to other Zelda people, and you realize how Zelda has been incorporated incorporated into their real life or has done something for them in their real life, in, like, how they live their life or, like, career, or you guys had another one on an episode we joined you on where another listener feedback where they were talking about how they got into music because of Zelda. Yeah. And I think that's really cool because I have those kind of stories as well, and I'm sure you do too. Mhmm.

Alasyn Eletha:

Yeah.

Kady Roberts:

No. It's super cool. And I've seen a bit of Seiren stuff because they're very active within the, you know, another Zelda podcast Discord.

Alasyn Eletha:

Mhmm.

Kady Roberts:

And their cosplays are just fantastic. Awesome. It's really cool. Alright. Moving on to the next one.

Kady Roberts:

Yiga clan forever. Me and my sister love the Legend of Zelda. Wow. I've already used two exclamation points. We got a Switch at the beginning of 2023, and every Saturday, we would play Mario Kart.

Kady Roberts:

Then my friend told me about Breath of the Wild, and I thought it looked cool, so I got it. Me and my sister quickly became super fans. I have played I'm guessing it says Breath of the Wild, Skyward Sword, and Tears of the Kingdom. Breath of the Wild is still my favorite. Zelda has been kind of a bonding experience, and I love the Yiga clan.

Kady Roberts:

Love your podcast, and may the goddess smile upon you.

Alasyn Eletha:

That's so cute.

Kady Roberts:

I love that. I have a very similar experience for getting into it. Not as recent as you, although welcome, another new person that I can kind of bond with. But when the Switch first came out and I traded my Wii U in for it, I was like, I don't know what to get. I'll just get like a Just Dance game or something.

Kady Roberts:

And I asked the GameStop employee, I was like, what would you recommend? And he's like, well, if you want a game that really gets your like times out of it, get Breath of the Wild.

Alasyn Eletha:

I was like,

Kady Roberts:

sure. I mean, I've heard of Zelda, but okay, whatever. And then that quickly spiraled into me becoming a pretty big fan. Nice. I love that.

Kady Roberts:

That's awesome. So, yeah. Last one. Zelda for oh, sorry. I didn't read your name.

Kady Roberts:

That was Glory to Koga 11. Oh, that makes a lot of sense. Makes a lot of sense. Alright. Alright.

Kady Roberts:

So the last one is from Zelda for Life o eight. Always amazing. This podcast is awesome. I found this podcast a few years back and listened to the first three seasons and got lost in some other podcast for a while. Due to the recent release of tears of the kingdom, I picked up where I left off and have caught up very recently, and I'm anticipating the continuation of season six.

Kady Roberts:

The new voices all over are so much fun to keep listening to, keeping the best source of for fans for this amazing series in Green Heart. Aw. That's so sweet. All of the fans are so so sweet. So thank you guys.

Kady Roberts:

As always, post your comments everywhere. Maybe you might get into a listener feedback, but even if you don't, we try to them all and it really does mean a lot. So moving on, the reason that it is me and Al here today and David is nowhere to be seen is because David hasn't played too much of Tears of the Kingdom, and that's what we're going to be talking about today. Yes. More specifically, we're gonna be talking about the champions.

Kady Roberts:

What have they been up to? What's going on with them? And if you have played a bit of tears, you know that there is a new champion that has joined the ranks. Mhmm. So Al, do you have any, like, beginning thoughts kind of about the new champions?

Alasyn Eletha:

Yeah. I mean, I kinda love, like, the evolution of the the quote unquote champions from Breath of the Wild to tears because we started with one set, and then we kind of, like, had an adventure with the new set in Breath of the Wild, and then they kinda move over to Tears. And, like, they're the champions, but they're also sages now. So it's, like, there's an evolution to them, not just, like, character growth, which I'm sure we'll talk about. So and I just think that's really cool, and I'm actually kind of excited because I don't think Andy and I have much talked about them on our own shows.

Alasyn Eletha:

Oh, really? I'm excited to kinda get some feelings out about these guys.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. No. I am super excited. So I guess the best way is probably just to like start with one and then go down the list. Mhmm.

Kady Roberts:

So personally, I think we should start with Tulane.

Alasyn Eletha:

Okay. Fair

Kady Roberts:

enough. Because when you start 'Tis the Kingdom, they encourage you to go to the Rideau first. Exactly. So I think Tulane is a great place to start. So if you've played Breath of the Wild, there's Taeva is normally who you go to, the Rito champion.

Kady Roberts:

But in Tears of the Kingdom, you go there. Taeva is now the chief. He can't really leave and do that anymore. So instead, Taeva becomes your champion who is his son, which I didn't realize he was in Breath of the Wild, to tell you the truth.

Alasyn Eletha:

Oh, Toulon? Yeah. So, I mean, it was kind of funny when we saw the trailer where they they, like, revealed Toulon. Mhmm. A lot of us were like, who is this kid?

Alasyn Eletha:

Yeah. But then when I was looking at him closely, because I remembered him most I do remember him briefly in Breath of the Wild, but I remember him from Age of Calamity. And so I was like, that's Taeva's son. What's Taeva's son

Kady Roberts:

doing with Yeah.

Alasyn Eletha:

Like, what's going on with that? So, yeah. It was kind of like, I was I was taken aback at first by it. So, yeah.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. It was really interesting to see how different his character was from Taeva. Mhmm. Just because, you know, Taeva was always more stoic, more reserved. Whereas, Tulin, like, when you first meet him, his whole thing is, Teba's like, my son won't stop trying to fly out and stop this stuff.

Kady Roberts:

Can you just, like, find him and bring him back, please? Mhmm. Because he keeps getting into trouble. Mhmm. Which I think was just such a cute little, I don't know, change of pace.

Kady Roberts:

I don't want to say I didn't like Teba, but I certainly didn't latch onto him as much as the other ones.

Alasyn Eletha:

Okay, that's fair.

Kady Roberts:

And maybe it's just because I normally don't latch onto the Rito characters as much, personally. I don't know why. This is normally not what I normally gravitate to, but Tulane, I have to say, is probably my favorite Sage.

Alasyn Eletha:

Okay. I I would agree. Like, I power wise, I would say Tulane is my favorite. Character wise, we'll I'll talk about another. But when it came to Teyva, like, I was definitely very confused and wondered why Nintendo went this route where Teyva isn't involved Yeah.

Alasyn Eletha:

Like the other ones are. So, like so, obviously, in Breath of the Wild, you you connect with I actually really like Rivali. I know that he's not, like, the best character, and he's kind of a jerk, but I actually really liked him. And then Tae was kind of a continuation, though much nicer and much more humble about his abilities and whatnot. And I I felt like I connected to him.

Alasyn Eletha:

I actually really liked him. So when it came to tears, was like, why why isn't Taeva? I understand he has responsibilities, but so do the other Taeva.

Kady Roberts:

I was gonna say, I that really did throw me off. Like, I I love Tula and I like the route that they did. Yes. But I wonder why Nintendo decided to go that route.

Alasyn Eletha:

Yeah. It's kinda about maybe because maybe well, I can't say that because when we talk about the other stages, some of them are pretty big too. But when I I thought for a second, maybe it's because he's, like, bigger, and, like, you need somebody smaller like Tulin to kinda help you with this, like, with getting up to the sky. But, like, don't know. Mean, Saidon's huge.

Alasyn Eletha:

Yeah. And I was thinking about that too. Was like, Saidon, Minru, and, like, you know, we're pretty big too. So I don't know. Yeah.

Kady Roberts:

I don't know if maybe, like, the feedback with him wasn't what they wanted, but I even saw because, I mean, I guess I didn't see as much for him, but I also didn't see too much about Yunobo either, to tell you the truth, in the fandom. Mhmm. So

Alasyn Eletha:

don't know. We got feels about Yunobo from Breath of the Wild, but let's just say they evolved. I'm sure we'll get there.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. Yeah, Tulin Tulin has been great, though. I think his ability is amazing.

Alasyn Eletha:

Yes. I think his little story is pretty good. He has some, like, growth. He knows he's talented.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah.

Alasyn Eletha:

He's got it in his head, like, yeah, I'm gonna be the most

Kady Roberts:

He's awesome the gifted kid.

Alasyn Eletha:

Yeah. And he's like, everybody's just holding me back, but then he kind of realizes, you know what, I do need teamwork. I do need to work with people, or else I'm gonna get in trouble. And so I think that's good little character growth for him, and I also just love having him around. Yeah.

Kady Roberts:

I just think he's super cute, and I think it also helps that I'm a really big fan of his voice actress. Mhmm. Yes. Because I I was playing the game and had the cutscene with him, and I was like, I know her. Yeah.

Kady Roberts:

I I love anime, so I've heard her in a lot of stuff.

Alasyn Eletha:

Nice. She also is the voice of Hesu. She is.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. She is.

Alasyn Eletha:

Yeah. So for age and for tears. She's the voice the voice of Hesu, which has this, like, really, really high pitched, funky little voice, but I could not hear that hear that with Tulin. But yeah. No.

Alasyn Eletha:

I I adore Tulin. I adore his little story. He clearly had some growth between Breath of the Wild and Tears because you barely remember him from Breath And of and he definitely had a part in Age of Calamity, but again, if some people miss that I'm I'm sure some people miss that game, so you wouldn't know Tullen until Tears, and I think he really grows on you.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. Exactly. So moving on to the next one, I personally did Sidon next. Okay. I don't know if that's the route you took.

Alasyn Eletha:

I went I kinda got the impression that the game wanted me to go to Goron next, so I did Goron second. But we could talk about Sidon.

Kady Roberts:

Okay. We'll talk about Sidon, and then we'll go on to Goron. Okay. So Sidon in this game is very different, in my personal opinion. I I'll also, this might just because I hop on the bandwagon of like,

Alasyn Eletha:

oh, Sidon. Oh my gosh.

Kady Roberts:

But I was kind of like that. And I will admit when I first met Yono. Yonobo?

Alasyn Eletha:

Oh, Yonah.

Kady Roberts:

Yonah, thank you.

Alasyn Eletha:

Yes.

Kady Roberts:

When I first met Yonah, I was a little taken aback. That being said though, she is a very sweet character. She doesn't deserve a lot of the hate she gets.

Alasyn Eletha:

Yeah. Poor Yoda.

Kady Roberts:

Poor Yoda. What what did you think when you first reunited with Sai Dan?

Alasyn Eletha:

Okay. So I feel like I have to have my feelings for Breath of the Wild in play. Like, I thought Sai Dan was fine. I didn't really understand the hype because all I could think is, like, he's a fish.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. No. That's completely fair.

Alasyn Eletha:

And I and I also this might just be me personally, but he just, like, is so overly affectionate, and and I call him the love bomber of No. He is. He is. And I just I kind of get to the point where I'm like, you know what? Back off.

Kady Roberts:

Like Yeah. Chill out, bro.

Alasyn Eletha:

Yeah. It's like, thank you. I know I'm great. I appreciate you telling me that, but maybe, like, dial it down a notch or two. And I don't know if that's just me being mean because, like, he's obviously generally a really sweet person, really cares about his people, really cared about his sister, and so I respect that.

Alasyn Eletha:

So when it came to

Kady Roberts:

He's a lot.

Alasyn Eletha:

Yeah. Is. He is. So when it came to tears, I wasn't like, I know a lot of people were like, yes. Let's go find Sai Don immediately.

Kady Roberts:

Oh, yeah.

Alasyn Eletha:

And I I wasn't about that. But, like, when I found him, I thought his power, what he was doing was really cool for, like, their their phenomenon that was happening with the sledge. I thought what he was doing was really cool, and he like, his get up hasn't, like

Kady Roberts:

Oh my gosh. Looks so

Alasyn Eletha:

much cooler. Goofier. And and but, again, he was, like, very, oh my god. My best friend. There you are.

Alasyn Eletha:

And I love you. And I

Kady Roberts:

was like, okay, bro. No. What got me was when he talked to Yonah, clearly, Saeidon said something to her. Because at first she said like, oh, you're Link. I mean Saeidon's best friend.

Alasyn Eletha:

Yeah. So I was like,

Kady Roberts:

what did he say to her? Was she just like, oh, know, like, that swordsman Link, you mean my best friend? Yeah. You have to call him my best friend.

Alasyn Eletha:

You know, have you seen those memes online where it's like, my boyfriend's best friend probably has a stronger relationship than I do with my own boyfriend? Yeah. That's probably Yona.

Kady Roberts:

I had also seen the one where it's like Yonah being like, oh, this is my fiance Saeidon. This is Saeidon's boyfriend, Link.

Alasyn Eletha:

Yes. Like Parks and Rec. I love it. Yeah. That's fantastic.

Alasyn Eletha:

I mean, I didn't I didn't buy into the whole shipping them. Oh, I understood. I get it. I respect it. I also thought it was, like, weird when you get there and, like, the statue of Mifa's gone and it's It's just, like, crazy.

Alasyn Eletha:

I'm like, why you gotta do Mifa dirty like that?

Kady Roberts:

I know. And they, put her they're like, oh, she's still here on the high point. Yeah. She's there when no one is gonna see her.

Alasyn Eletha:

I respect that they gave her this really cool court and the music's so pretty and the area's so pretty. So it's cool for Mifa. But at first, I didn't know of that.

Kady Roberts:

I was

Alasyn Eletha:

like, wow, they're doing Mifa dirty so that they could have the boyfriend

Kady Roberts:

And it's like a whole thing when you get there. They're like, we need help cleaning off this statue. You know, Saenon's probably freaking out about it.

Alasyn Eletha:

He's like, sledge all over my statue of my best friend. I there was there was a struggle though, I think, that I had because when you you go on these quests and this journey with the the sages, the champions, and tears of the kingdom, you start to feel connected to them in in their story. Like, with Tulane, we talked about how you kinda help him see that he needs help, and he doesn't he just go, you know, in full Nelly doing whatever he thinks he can do and getting himself into trouble. And as we'll talk about with the others, they also are like, yeah, Link, come help me.

Kady Roberts:

But Yeah. There was a

Alasyn Eletha:

couple moments where Saeidon's like, let's split up. And, like, yeah. And I was like, that kinda took away from my connection to Sae Dan.

Kady Roberts:

Mhmm.

Alasyn Eletha:

And I was like, oh, I kinda I kinda wanted to do this with you.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. I think they relied a bit too much on the fact that he was so popular from Breath of the Wild that they didn't give as much time to him. Mhmm. And that's because they're like, oh, they'll still like him. Mhmm.

Kady Roberts:

Which is true. I still like Sa'don. But, yeah, I agree. It feels like we were a lot more separated from him in this game.

Alasyn Eletha:

And, yeah, I think that might have hurt my relationship with him a little bit. And and it's also not just like he was saying, let's split up, but he was also saying, I have to stand here and purify the water. Will you go do this? When with the others, you do that part of the quest line with them. Yeah.

Alasyn Eletha:

You go to find the answers with them, and you didn't decide on that. I thought that was a really weird choice.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah, because I mean there were other they can even play it as like Oh, he's the only one that can purify because there's other ones that were purifying it too so he could have come with And I feel like his story wasn't as impactful as some of the other ones too because he I mean, yes, he was, like, trying to clear it up for the Zorah, and that's not really what I'm talking about. I'm talking more, like, the spiritual journey, I guess, with him. Whereas we were just talking, like, Tulin was, like, trying to come to terms. He's, like, a gifted kid, but he needs to, chill out kind of. Yeah.

Kady Roberts:

Saeidan didn't really have any of that. I mean, was, like, gonna be king, but he didn't even really know that.

Alasyn Eletha:

Yeah. I I would say his story is that he needed to let go of his fear of something happening to his loved ones. Yonah was kinda like, you need to let that go. Like, Link and I are gonna be fine, which is great, but then I didn't get the connection in between that to really understand he was afraid in

Kady Roberts:

the first place. Yeah. Yes. When she said that, I was like, were worried. Because also his whole character is he's like this overconfident.

Kady Roberts:

Mhmm. And so they didn't really show him not being confident about it. He was just confident the whole time, and then they were like, oh, you don't have to be scared. It's like, what are you talking about?

Alasyn Eletha:

You're so scared. Didn't get any of that. So I think it was kind of weird that Nintendo didn't let us connect on that level. And I think maybe that's why I usually am just like, you're too over affectionate, maybe I just don't have the connection with you that I should. No.

Kady Roberts:

I agree because so I guess kind of spoilers. This is all kind of spoilers. So at the end of Sae Dom's little quest line, he becomes king, and then he instantly asks Mifa to be his or Mifa. Oh my god. Instantly asks you Yonah.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. Yonah to be his queen. Mhmm. And that caught me really off guard. I don't know if that was just a me thing.

Alasyn Eletha:

Wait. And it's just, I guess, the way he started talking to her all of a sudden, he's like, my darling, my love, and it's like

Kady Roberts:

That's when he starts talking like that, I'm like, you have not talked to her like that this entire game. Mhmm. Like, you barely acknowledged her existence,

Alasyn Eletha:

if you're second. Like, well, he talks about her, and it's like, yeah, we're childhood friends. She was friends with Mipha, and, like, I've known her for a long time, but you kinda got this feeling that he was, like, hesitant, and maybe that was the fear, but it again, it wasn't emulated properly.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. I feel like a lot of the writing around him could have been a little bit clearer. Mhmm. But that being said, you know, Saiden's a fan favorite. He's always gonna be a fan favorite.

Alasyn Eletha:

That's true.

Kady Roberts:

That's alright.

Alasyn Eletha:

How did you feel about his abilities, though?

Kady Roberts:

It wasn't really what I was hoping. True. I mean, I don't I would say out of everyone, I use his ability the least.

Alasyn Eletha:

Yeah, I feel so god. I feel so bad. There's there's moments where so, obviously, once you completed the quest with the sages, they join you for your journey, and I keep tooling around because he's very useful. I literally never use Sidon, so I put him away.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah.

Alasyn Eletha:

I felt bad. And there was also, like, some really cool moments where the characters show up with you on your journey, like, in person person.

Kady Roberts:

Mhmm.

Alasyn Eletha:

And, like, Sidon would always have this, like, one line, Link, I'm here for you. I'm like, I'm over here. Like, shut up. Like Leave me alone.

Kady Roberts:

I felt so your wife, bro.

Alasyn Eletha:

My my brother, he was he was watching me play a lot, he's like, you're really mean. I'm like, I'm not trying. I'm so sorry.

Kady Roberts:

Alright. I guess now we should go on to the Gorons. Okay. So you mentioned that you had a different connection with Yunobo with Breath of the Wild.

Alasyn Eletha:

I'm I'm actually curious about what you felt about Yunobo with Breath of the Wild because you said there's not a lot of, like, feedback for him, but I thought that there was, like, a lot of, Yuno is just a giant weenie.

Kady Roberts:

I mean, yeah. No. Absolutely. I meant more, like, from the fandom side of things, there wasn't much fan art done for him.

Alasyn Eletha:

Oh, yes. Much, like, that kind of stuff. That makes sense. I understand that. But, yeah, it was I mean, he's a nice guy.

Alasyn Eletha:

He's very sweet, but there was, like, the the quest to get him up to the to the divine beast was just a slog. Uh-huh. And then he's also he just, like, is afraid, but he's, like, doing it. So I feel I'm like, good. Okay.

Alasyn Eletha:

He's got courage. He can he can Mhmm. Fight through his fear. But, like and then he's got this really, like, high voice. And, like, if you listen to him in Japanese, it's so much worse.

Alasyn Eletha:

It's just, like, a literal, like, three year old child screaming. And it's there just wasn't a lot for Unova. So when I was going to the Guan region, I was expecting to, like, find Unova and be like, I'm not gonna like it this much. Yeah. Yeah.

Alasyn Eletha:

I'm I'm not

Kady Roberts:

gonna be impressed, but I'll tell you what, I was impressed. Yeah. I was the exact same way. His quest line was kind of annoying in breadth of the way to tell the truth. I I mean, I I still enjoyed it, but it was a little much.

Kady Roberts:

And him as a character, I didn't have anything against Yunobo. I just didn't feel that kind of connection because he didn't really connect much with Link. Feel a lot of it was just him being scared with himself Mhmm. Which it was it's it's fine. But then moving on, I saved you, Novo, for last because he was kind of my least favorite.

Kady Roberts:

Okay. So I didn't really go to him first. And as of recording this, I had just finished his quest line yesterday in prep for this. And when I first saw him, I had like a one eighty moment where I was like, are are you still Yunovo? And I know it goes into like, you find out, oh, it's the mask that's controlling him.

Kady Roberts:

I was like, oh my god.

Alasyn Eletha:

Yeah. I was really and it's kind of funny that when when they were marketing tears, Yunobo was nowhere to be seen in the trailers. Yeah. Everybody's like, where's Yunobo? What's going on with him?

Alasyn Eletha:

And there's like a split second where you could see his weapon in the trailer, but you don't see him. So you're like, is he also being replaced? Like, Tebow was replaced. So when he shows up in tears, you kinda understand why he wasn't marketed because something's clearly going on with him. It was just kind of like this one eighty spin where all of a sudden he is this self righteous, like like, let me slave all my people to work to find this marbled rock jerk.

Alasyn Eletha:

And I was like, no. This is not this something's off. This is not, you know there's no way he turned into, like, this greedy jerk.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. Was like, okay. Something has to be up because there's no way anyone would want him as their friend if he is like this. Mhmm.

Alasyn Eletha:

I agree. So, yeah, when when you kind of follow his quest line, Andy and I talked about this on our on our show a little bit where we kinda wished the part where he's this this is the the jerk lasted a little bit longer.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. Me too.

Alasyn Eletha:

You you clear it pretty quickly where you you break the mat you fight him, break the mask, and he's like, oh, I'm back to normal. And it's like, oh, that was really fast. I was kinda hoping, like, the entirety of his quest line before you go to do the dungeon would be more of that. Yeah.

Kady Roberts:

That that would have been cool. I also feel like it was really cool getting to fight him. Mhmm. But I wish the fight was a little bit longer, not just, just like three hits.

Alasyn Eletha:

Yeah.

Kady Roberts:

Which I get. They're like, you don't wanna hurt your friend,

Alasyn Eletha:

but also like Like, would have been like Loon.

Kady Roberts:

I'm just say it would be really cool to fight him. But, yeah, once it broke, it was nice to see that he kept his development from Breath of the Wild.

Alasyn Eletha:

Yes. Like, he definitely had more confidence, more courage. He was ready to go, and I that's why I was impressed. I was like, oh, Yunova's done some growing. He's got his own business off the ground.

Alasyn Eletha:

He's helping his people, and he's really taking on the role of the champion of his people, and I I really liked that. Yeah.

Kady Roberts:

That was really cool.

Alasyn Eletha:

No. So I was very impressed compared to Breath of the Wild.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. Exactly. No. He he's certainly grown up a lot. Yeah.

Kady Roberts:

We're gonna head to a quick break, and then when we come back, let's move on to Reju.

Alasyn Eletha:

Yes. I love Reju.

Kady Roberts:

I can't wait.

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Alasyn Eletha:

Get to Minoru. And so I was like, oh, okay. This is odd. What am I doing? What is this?

Alasyn Eletha:

And then and so I really liked it, but I feel like because I did it out of order and they didn't like, I really wish the game

Kady Roberts:

Made you do that one in order. Yeah.

Alasyn Eletha:

I think because I did it out of order, it really messed things up for me as far as, like, my connection to the game, my connection to Minoru, my

Kady Roberts:

Mhmm.

Alasyn Eletha:

My enjoyment of that dungeon because it is one, and it's just like, it was just so it just wasn't part of what I was trying to do in the game and came out of order, and I it just really messed me up. I didn't like it.

Kady Roberts:

No. I I completely agree because I don't even I mean, I think I might have seen Minoru in, like, one tier, like memory. Right. So like I kind of knew who she was, but like not really. So when I found her and she went on this long spiel of like, yes, I'll be by your side and I've been waiting for you and like this body.

Kady Roberts:

I'm like, who are you? Right. But, no, I I completely agree. I think she's really cool. I think what she can do is Yes.

Kady Roberts:

I just yeah. I would have liked if they made that one a little bit more linear. I did like the four, like, little fetch quest puzzles. I thought they were cool.

Alasyn Eletha:

I think

Kady Roberts:

how they set them up was cool where, like the puzzles were alright. I kind of wish they're a little bit harder personally. Okay. But I did like that when you get to the end of one, they always have something there to help you get the device back.

Alasyn Eletha:

Yes. Yeah. You don't have

Kady Roberts:

to like walk the long way. Yeah. They had either like the paraglider or well, what is it called?

Alasyn Eletha:

The wings? The wing collider? Yeah.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. They They had one of those or maybe a mine cart or whatever. So I think I think I've noticed a lot with this game, Nintendo being really smart with, like, having a way to easily travel back during these kind

Alasyn Eletha:

of quests. Mhmm. I agree. Yeah. That's cool.

Alasyn Eletha:

I didn't really think about that until you brought it up, so that's cool. I like the puzzles. I thought they were I think they it just felt like a different kind of dungeon than the rest of the dungeons we've been having so far. But another part that really disconnected it for me was you got the construct factory, and then she's like, we gotta go get my tier. It's over in the Spirit Temple.

Alasyn Eletha:

And then you get there, and you're like, okay. Maybe that's gonna be my dungeon. No. Yeah.

Kady Roberts:

No. It it felt like you just kept waiting for her, especially because you bring up a good point with, like, she is a sage. All the sages had a dungeon Mhmm. And she didn't get one.

Alasyn Eletha:

It's just the construct factory is her dungeon, but it doesn't, like, it just it didn't have the same buildup to that dungeon as the others did Mhmm. Because it was out of order. There is a buildup to it, a proper one, and I did do the proper quests for it after the fact.

Kady Roberts:

I didn't even know that, to tell I the thought this was I mean, figured you would have to find her eventually.

Alasyn Eletha:

Mhmm.

Kady Roberts:

But I I thought it was just gonna be like a passing, oh, we found this in the depths. Go find it.

Alasyn Eletha:

Which I and that I feel like that's even worse that you didn't even get those quests to set it up because you, like, you found it and you're like, okay. Great.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. Yeah. No. That that's a bummer. I didn't even

Alasyn Eletha:

know that person. I feel like because I know you haven't finished the game yet, but there is gonna be a point where you're gonna get those and you're gonna be like, I already did it. Oh. Yeah. So I don't think that Nintendo really thought that through.

Alasyn Eletha:

And Mhmm. I don't know if a lot I Andy definitely feels the same, and I know a few people here at the marathon that we've been talking to feels the same, but I don't know if that's a really relatively similar feeling for every Zelda player out there. They're probably fine with it, but I did not like the decision to you can do it whenever.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. I feel like it's such a missed opportunity. Mhmm. Just Because it's really cool. It is really cool.

Alasyn Eletha:

Like, I feel bad for bagging on it because it's actually really awesome. It's just that it was it felt so disconnected and weird to me. Then, of course, we're trying to talk about the sage, but, like, I didn't feel a lot of connection to Minoru because of all that nonsense.

Kady Roberts:

So Yeah. I mean and and really because most of what you find out about Minoru is through the memories

Alasyn Eletha:

Right.

Kady Roberts:

She doesn't really have any connection with you as the player or Link just because you guys don't really interact other than you get her the body parts, you fight Koga, and then kind of just like, alright. We're working together.

Alasyn Eletha:

Yeah. Yeah. Kind of. And, like, also, when I was talking about you get the same cut scene after every dungeon you've battled, which I thought was really annoying. But you get a completely I mean, it's the same, but completely, like, way more elaborate with her.

Alasyn Eletha:

Yeah. So if you do that out of order, you kinda would want that closer to the end of the game because it really explains a lot of stuff versus, like, if you go if you do it soon and then, like, you went to Yunobo next probably, and then you're like, oh, this is the same Yeah.

Kady Roberts:

Was like, oh, okay.

Alasyn Eletha:

Cool. Yeah. Whereas, like, Minarooz is like, oh, wow. This was really exciting. Maybe another another Sage will have a different one.

Alasyn Eletha:

No, they don't.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. She basically She explains most of the explains the whole history of everything and what happens with Zelda and everything. It's like, if I didn't find certain tiers before this, I would be really confused. I

Alasyn Eletha:

think that's the that's the only well, I shouldn't say only, but that's one of the biggest consequences of Nintendo's idea of an open world game.

Speaker 4:

Mhmm.

Alasyn Eletha:

That you I mean, I like that you can go do whatever you want, whenever you want, but there but games have done that with while still having linearity to their story. So that's that's a big thing for me in in tears. I talk about it a lot. So

Kady Roberts:

No. No. I I I agree wholeheartedly. But talking about Minoru, her so we keep talking about getting the fetch quest to kind of, like, bring her her body parts. So Minoru is in this, like, giant Zonai mecca, I guess, her spirit is.

Alasyn Eletha:

Yeah.

Kady Roberts:

And you as Link can kind of control her and merge her parts together. Which I went into thinking was super cool. Don't know how you felt about

Alasyn Eletha:

No, thought that was awesome. Was like, I just pulled a robot. This is so cool.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. I mean, I definitely love that Link kind of right on her back and kind of move her around. And I like that. So we were kind of talking to go get her like Sage spirit. You had to kind of like ride her there.

Kady Roberts:

Mhmm. And I think it's really smart how they did it where, you know, she mentions like you can like kind of meld stuff to her hands or her back, but they have different like sections of different things that you can kind of try and see what happens. The longest time, I didn't realize if you put a fan on her back, she goes faster.

Alasyn Eletha:

I didn't know that. Okay.

Kady Roberts:

Really good to know. Yeah. I wish they would have said something about that because I was the whole time, I ended up just jumping off and, like, walking, letting her catch up because I'm like, Dude, you're so slow.

Alasyn Eletha:

There's a couple of things in tears where I'm like, I wish somebody would have said something. Yeah.

Kady Roberts:

I will say my one gripe with Minoru is, which also you could just say, this is on me, But I attached a, like, electric shock machine thing to one of her hands, and whenever I'm fighting with her, she shocks the enemy and then shocks me too. So I drop all my stuff.

Alasyn Eletha:

Oh, no. I'm like, you kidding me? Okay. Maybe just make it out a note on your own playlist, okay. Don't add electric Say

Kady Roberts:

no electric, no fire.

Alasyn Eletha:

I love it. I love it. Yeah. I I think she's really cool to control and that you can add stuff to her. But I admittedly, it was very similar with Sidon where I was like, I you're very bulky and in my way, so you're gonna go away too.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. She's she's very bulky Mhmm. Which is kind of a shame because, I mean, a lot of the other ones are more tight and nimble, not side on side on's huge. Yeah. But, you know, it is it is what it is.

Kady Roberts:

I also just really like Minaroo's design. We we talked a little bit about this on the episode we did with you guys on your channel or channel podcast, whatever you want call it. Mhmm. About how we kind of wish there was a bit more about not only Minaru, but Rauru. Yeah.

Alasyn Eletha:

The zonai.

Kady Roberts:

The zonai in general. Yeah. We were saying, like, they say they're kind of the last two, but they don't really give us more than that.

Alasyn Eletha:

Yes. Yeah. They well, they say they're the last two in Hyrule. Mhmm. So does that does that mean there were more in Hyrule?

Alasyn Eletha:

Does that mean they went back up to the sky? Does that mean they died off? Like, what does that mean?

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. And I don't know. I'm I'm very curious about Minoru because Rauru, he had that connection with I believe her name is Sophie. I'm so bad with names. Sonia.

Kady Roberts:

Sonia. Thank you. Sonia. He has that connection with Sonia because, you know, they fell in love. They got married, whatever.

Kady Roberts:

And Minaru, I believe, is Robert's sister. Yes. Isn't she? So I kind of get why she came down, but she was very, very devoted to everything, which I think is very cool. I just wish there was a bit more story behind her.

Alasyn Eletha:

Yeah. The I mean, you could say that about, like, Sonya too or Yeah. And, like, Rauru. And, like, a lot of that's that's another kind of, like, consequence to having this open world game where they have these story moments, but they're really kinda, like, they did better in tears than they did in Breath of the Wild, but you're, like, looking for that oomph to a character, like, some growth. And, like, I'm sure you're gonna be experiencing this as you play Skyward story, but, like, there's lots of really big character development in games like that.

Alasyn Eletha:

Whereas this, it's like, I feel like I only get the surface of a lot of these characters. Same with the champions and the sages. So

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. I feel like one of their downfalls is because they're making it so open world without any kind of linearity, for the most part at least. They make it so a lot of these character moments and cut scenes of things you don't have to experience for the game. Mhmm. Which on one hand is good if you're like not really into it for that.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. But for story reasons, therefore, like, none of these can have big impact because otherwise everyone else is gonna be confused and not like the game if they don't find it.

Alasyn Eletha:

Right. Right. Right. Yeah. I feel like the only big impacts that you really get are for Zelda.

Alasyn Eletha:

Yeah.

Kady Roberts:

I will say, if I may, talk about Zelda for, like, this last, like, few things.

Alasyn Eletha:

Technically, she's a sage.

Kady Roberts:

I was

Alasyn Eletha:

gonna say technically, she's a sage,

Kady Roberts:

so it would be kinda cool to talk about

Alasyn Eletha:

her for

Kady Roberts:

a little bit. So for anyone who hasn't made it that far, Zelda is technically the sage of time

Alasyn Eletha:

Yes.

Kady Roberts:

Which I think is brilliant. Yes. I think it's so cool. I like seeing Zelda in bigger roles. Mhmm.

Kady Roberts:

So I was so shocked about the time travel element, first off, about this game.

Alasyn Eletha:

Okay. That's fair.

Kady Roberts:

No. I was not expecting Zelda to kind of get thrown back in time. Okay. I was not expecting her to stay thrown back in time. But, you know, I I kind of like the choice they made.

Kady Roberts:

It was a gutsy move. I like that they made it.

Alasyn Eletha:

I like that it wasn't like she was just kinda captured it. Well, she wasn't captured in Breath of the Wild, but, like, just there, but not there. Yeah. I mean, she was, but in this game, but I like there's a reason for it.

Kady Roberts:

There's a reason for it, and you can see what she was up to during

Alasyn Eletha:

that Like, she she had a master plan by the end.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. Yeah. I think this game I mean, we all knew that she was really smart for Breath of the Wild with her research and everything. I think this game really came to show, like, how brilliant Zelda is as a person.

Alasyn Eletha:

Yes. Yeah. How calculating and, like, I think that Sonya and especially Rauru help her. Oh, definitely. There's a speech that Rauru gives her.

Alasyn Eletha:

It's like, I know that I may fail tomorrow, but there's a reason that you're here. Mhmm. And the future that you came from is from a past where you weren't here. So you came here for a reason. I'm I trust that you'll figure it out.

Alasyn Eletha:

And he's kinda, like, putting he's kinda putting every destiny in her hands versus instead of his own. He's like, I'm gonna give you the tools to help you. Like, I'll do what I can, but I know it's gonna be up to you and Link. And that's when it clicks for her, and she's like, I know what I'm gonna do.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. Yeah. For I also like the cutscene of her and Minoru talking about the idea of her consuming the dragon scale.

Alasyn Eletha:

The the draconification. Draconification. Yes.

Kady Roberts:

Thank you. Yeah. Because obviously Minru was very against this saying like you're not gonna be able to turn back, like what's gonna happen? And I like I don't know. I I like how bold Zelda has just been and how she's just like, you know what?

Kady Roberts:

I have my idea. I have my plan. I'm going through with it. If if it's gonna happen, it's gonna happen. Like, there's no other way around this.

Kady Roberts:

Which kind of adds to this devastating moment when you do get the master sword, and it's just stuck there, and she's so sad, and oh, I can't.

Alasyn Eletha:

Yeah. I told a lot of people this, but when I finally figured out what what what the, like, dragon is and what happened, I would go visit her a lot. Like, whenever I see her, I would fly up and, like, I'd sit on her.

Kady Roberts:

And I'd be like, okay. So I just held the

Alasyn Eletha:

Gorons, and, like, I found this really cool piece of armor. Just kinda telling her what I'm doing so she knows, like of course, this is a video game. But, like But, no, I completely agree with that. I just want you to know what I'm up to because you've been, like, flying up here for thousands and thousands of years, and I just want you to know I'm doing my job like you want me to. Because I was just like, oof, when she when she ate the secret zone, and I was like, oh god.

Alasyn Eletha:

Like, I was gutted. So

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. That was a huge moment. And then it I don't know. To me, seeing her, like, turn into the dragon, it looked so painful.

Alasyn Eletha:

It did. It did look very painful, and, like, I should add that, like, for me, the Zelda from this era grew on me because in Breath of the Wild, I didn't quite get her at first. Yeah. I was a little, like, annoyed with her. Mhmm.

Alasyn Eletha:

Not because she was, like, snippy with Link or anything, but because she, like I felt like she was have you ever seen Spider Man two?

Kady Roberts:

Yes. Absolutely.

Alasyn Eletha:

Okay. I thought she was being like Toby when he Tobey Maguire's Peter, when he, like, didn't wanna be Spider Man anymore, it suppressed his powers. And he was doubting himself and all that kind of stuff, and he wanted to just live his life. I kind of thought that was what was going on with her. She was suppressing her own powers because she just wanted to do research, and she was tired of her father being so demanding and all that kind of stuff with it.

Alasyn Eletha:

But then Age of Calamity came out and there was a different kind of telling of that relationship and I kind of understood her more that she was researching because she couldn't activate her powers and she's like I have to find something to do to help because I can't Yeah.

Kady Roberts:

I think Age of Calamity coming out really helped her character.

Alasyn Eletha:

Yes. I agree. And then and then to tears, she grew even more, and you see how she's been helping Hyrule and then eventually how she helps Link too. So I just, like, I just wanna say that my my experience with her has grown as she has grown. Absolutely.

Kady Roberts:

No. I I'm the same way. I mean, was I thought she was fine in Breath of the Wild, but I did come for from it from a point of, like, but he's Link. Like Yeah. You can't

Alasyn Eletha:

you can't be mean to him.

Kady Roberts:

So I did kinda come from it from that point. So I I didn't dislike her, but I also was kind of I I kind of got a little upset with her snippiness at times. Mhmm. And then Age of Calamity came out, and I was like, wow, she's really cool. And then Tears of the Kingdom came out, and I was like, she's really cool.

Alasyn Eletha:

Yeah. There was just some story elements that I didn't get to her at first, but the more you replay Breath of the Wild, the more you kinda see it. Yeah. Makes total sense. So I apologize to Zelda for my first I apologize.

Alasyn Eletha:

Impression of

Kady Roberts:

No, I do as well. I get where she comes from, and I get the frustration that she must have been feeling. Yeah. But yeah, she's fantastic. I haven't finished the game as of doing this episode.

Kady Roberts:

I'm like one hundred and thirty five hours in. I'm just kind of collecting And everything I'm nervous because obviously, you know what happens. But for my nerves, I'm nervous because she is this dragon that's been floating around for like three thousand years or whatever.

Alasyn Eletha:

And

Kady Roberts:

on one hand, I'm like, okay, she might just never change back, which that's devastating, and I really want her to change back because her lingers asleep. And on the other hand though, I'm like, if she does change back, she's not gonna be the same because she's been alive for so long. Yeah. So I but I guess you could say the same thing with her being alive for like a hundred years.

Alasyn Eletha:

I just thought of that.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. Guess you could say the same thing, but even then I'm just like, she has to like something had to have

Alasyn Eletha:

affected I mean, poor Zelda. She's gone through she's gone through some stuff.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. I don't this this might be very niche. Have you seen Rick and Morty at all?

Alasyn Eletha:

I haven't watched any Rick and Morty.

Kady Roberts:

Okay. Well, there's an episode where Morty's, like, girl that he's in love with, gets trapped in, this time dimension where she literally is, like, stuck and she watches time pass for, like, a thousand years.

Alasyn Eletha:

Oh, wow.

Kady Roberts:

And when she comes back, she is, like, hello, Morty. Oh my god. And she's just, like, not the same. And so whenever I think of, like, this happening to Zelda, I get so scared because I just think about that. And I'm like, oh, no.

Alasyn Eletha:

Yeah. I'm I mean, I'm interested to see how you feel about the ending of the game. I won't say anything.

Kady Roberts:

Alright. Yes. So that is our kinda take on the champions and sages. Al, where can we find you and your podcast?

Alasyn Eletha:

Okay. I'm not really good at this. This normally Andy's job, my cohost on the ZeldaCast, but we are at the ZeldaCast. You can find us if you go to Zelda Dungeon and look up for our podcast, we we are there. We are also over at Twitter at the ZeldaCast at Andy Speteri or no.

Alasyn Eletha:

Speteri three sixteen at Alice and Aletha. And wherever you get all your podcasts, you know, spot Spotify, Podbean, iTunes, etcetera. And as Andy likes to say, recommend us to a Zelda fan in your

Kady Roberts:

life, and that's where you can find us. Awesome. You can find me at katieroberts.comkady or at mind underscore of underscore kady for my Instagram. For another Zelda podcast, you can find us on our website, another zeldapodcast.com. I believe we're another Zelda pod on Instagram and another podcast on Twitter.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. Thank you guys so much for listening. Sorry. I'm also not very good at endings because David normally does them, but this means a lot. Al, thank you so much joining me.

Alasyn Eletha:

This has been a blast.

Kady Roberts:

Thank you

Alasyn Eletha:

for having me. This is my first time, like, doing a podcast by myself.

Kady Roberts:

Me too. Yay. Here we go. We're in this together. Thank you guys all for listening, and we'll catch you on

Alasyn Eletha:

the next one. Bye.