"Being Indoctrinated As Black" International Book Show Interview With Uncle MeShorn

One of key questions being answered by Author MeShorn Daniels in this podcast is: "What is The Difference Between Being Seen As Black by Skin Color versus Being Indoctrinated As Black"

What is Conversation.Family?

MeShorn T. Daniels ( known as “ Uncle MeShorn”) is the Author of “I Am Not Your Black America!”, and the host of the podcast www.Conversation.Family.
He will be discussing his book as it relates to the Conversation of Americans becoming a real family, where more people are willing to be their “brother’s keeper”.

International Book Show: 00:04

I am now joined by the one and only uncle Mishon, who is the author of the book called, I am not your black America. Uncle MeeShawn, welcome to the International Book Show. Please can you start by introducing yourself to the listeners, very briefly before I then go on to ask you some questions about your book.

MeShorn Daniels: 00:29

Man, I just wanna say international book. Hey. Listen up. I've been looking forward to this ever since you and I made connection. Yes.

MeShorn Daniels: 00:41

I am uncle Michonne. My birth name is, Michaun, t, Floyd Daniels. Originally from Miami, Florida. Married for 28 years. 2 children that I have influenced, 1 male and 1 female, 1 in Duke University, one from, Western Kentucky, retired military of 21 years, Senior noncommissioned officer, east 7.

MeShorn Daniels: 01:13

I initially be was a cook, then converted into a surgical technologist that I was for 40 plus years as a surgical technologist. Currently retired here in Louisville, Kentucky as a surgical technologist, and and and now I am, living the life as an author, with my new book, I'm Not Show Black America. I'm ready for the interview, bro. I I'm excited.

International Book Show: 01:45

Well, that's what we're here to talk about in your book, I am not your black America. And, you know, the first thing we're gonna ask you is what does that term black America mean to you? And why do you refuse or, reject to be labeled as, you know, black American?

MeShorn Daniels: 02:04

Well, very good, question to ask me upfront because that's what everybody wanna know. When people look at me, they say they obviously say, what's wrong with him? He's he's black. Why won't he what you know, or, you know, I go through all that. So that's a very good question to ask.

MeShorn Daniels: 02:27

So the best way I can answer that is that I, myself, did not tell myself that I wasn't black initially. The the concept, I'm not, you're not black, me showing, came from other people who were evaluating me that I didn't fit what they considered the traditional norms of what it is to be black. So it wasn't me initially, that said I wasn't black. It's what other people made us observations of me because my mother had sheltered me or kept me from, you know, hanging out. I didn't, you know, I didn't go to black churches.

MeShorn Daniels: 03:05

I didn't go hang out with my my my I I didn't I wasn't allowed to be hang out with my friends who were black when I was growing up. And because of the, dysfunctional environment that I was living in in my household, I was very sheltered from everything. And so when I first went into the military in 1978, and I was around what we call ex Black Panthers in 1978. And in that platoon, it was the first time I had someone tell me, yo, dude, you're not black. And I'm like, what do you mean I'm not black?

MeShorn Daniels: 03:46

No, man. You ain't black. I said, alright. So it was there that I realized that being black had nothing to do with the color of my skin. Being black was a mentality.

MeShorn Daniels: 04:00

It was a I didn't have all the accolades of being able to first of all, I didn't you I didn't have the swagger of what it would would try to be black. I didn't have the I didn't have none of the things that most of us culturally, consider what being black is, especially as a male. I didn't have any of that. Okay? And so the black men who initially met me, they were the one that acknowledged I didn't have black.

MeShorn Daniels: 04:32

And so, it was under them that I was taken under their wings. And, for 3 years while I was in the military, I learned how to be black. And I wanna pause this and let people know there's a difference in learning how to be black and being indoctrinated black. And I'm a leave it like that, you know, if you wanna if you wanna come back and ask me what I mean about that. But there's a difference between learning how to be perceived and viewed as black and being indoctrinated as black.

International Book Show: 05:07

I think that, you know, that leads onto that question. I mean, what's the the difference between the 2 learning to be black and being indoctrinated to be black? I think the audience would want you to elaborate on that.

MeShorn Daniels: 05:19

So very good. That's why I'll I went there. See, when you are indoctrinated, Blac, you are you taking on an indoctrination of years of years of centuries that has been boxed in what it is to be black. And so it's passed on to you from generations to generations, so it's like a box. It's like a pre it's like a pre prescribed program and everything.

MeShorn Daniels: 05:47

And when you don't when you when you're not operating within that, the system in itself will re remind you. Like, in my book, I talks about, Uncle Tom. Uncle Tom is a mechanism within the system that if you don't if you don't act or behave a certain way that is prescribed to be black, you are hit with the carrot the carrot and stick mentality. You know, we will, you know, we will rob you and deny you of your blackness if you don't know how to behave black. So there is a there is a systematic thing in being black and the same thing with the anti Semitic.

MeShorn Daniels: 06:35

You know, anti Semitic is also another form of a color construct or teaching you how to stay within your plate, so stay within your system. If you do anything that is offensive to the Jews, even though they are offensive to everybody. Okay? But if you do anything offensive or say anything on the way to them, they flip you with the anti semitic to get you back in order and everything so you get a so being black is a construct. Okay?

MeShorn Daniels: 07:05

It's a behavior. It's a forced behavior, and I don't I didn't have that. So when I'm learning how to be black, I had to learn how to curse. I mean, I'm not saying that these all the things, but what I'm about to say, these are all relevant thing that helped me to learn how to be black. I had to learn how to chase the ladies and have multiple ladies on my arms.

MeShorn Daniels: 07:27

I had to learn how to use the profanity. I had to learn how to drink in every day. I had to learn how to how to I had to learn how to say s h I t right. I used to have guys laugh at me and say, dude, you don't even know how to say it, man. You you say it too proper.

MeShorn Daniels: 07:47

I mean, I had to get. Listen. I had to learn. I had to learn how to get my swagger down and how to be black. Okay?

MeShorn Daniels: 07:57

And and and and and once I got it, I got it. I mean, I'm not I mean, there's no shame in my game. I I I I ran through a whole lot of women. Okay? Learning how to, you know, have ladies or mom, you know, because that's a, you know, that's a thing, brother.

MeShorn Daniels: 08:11

You know, in my in in in in, you know, you how you how you run with your ladies and everything, that's the thing. How you how you hold your liquor and how you, you know, smoke a little weed and even sow some dope and everything. So, yes, when I say that I I learned how to be black, I went in there. But here's the interesting thing I wanna tell you. I changed my MOS out of being a cook, and then I went into because I wanted to I wanted to improve myself, you know, because I did notice something about being black that there was something that I didn't necessarily agree with.

MeShorn Daniels: 08:50

I I wanted to achieve and accomplish some things, so I decided that to change my MOS to become a surgical technologist. Now I had no idea that the next when I once I got out of and got to school, becoming a surgical technologist I don't know if you know what a surgical technologist is. It's, assisting doctors in surgery. They were like, well well, when I entered into that field, guess who was no longer in that environment? There were no black people.

MeShorn Daniels: 09:24

Do you hear me? There was no black people in that environment. So, so yeah. And the only black people that were in the environment was housekeeping, you know, very, auxiliary, engine, individuals that support it. But I was a surgical technologist in the environment where when I initially in entered that environment, I actually passed out in the operating room because I had never been in such a antiseptic smelling clean environment of an operator.

MeShorn Daniels: 09:58

Have you ever been in an operating room? No. Never been into an operating room. Well, an operating room is cold. It smelled differently.

MeShorn Daniels: 10:09

And the 1st operating room that I went into when I walked in there, I was blind blinded by the lights, the smell, and all this whiteness. Oh, lord. It was so overwhelming to me, I passed out. This is this is in my book. I talk about it.

MeShorn Daniels: 10:26

But after I got through surgical technology school and became good at it, and and became real good at it that I didn't realize that I had. I didn't I I didn't know that I had such skills. I mean, I I mean, I became the Michael Jordan in the operator room. Just keep it 100. I I mean, I excelled in that environment.

MeShorn Daniels: 10:46

So when I because of my military training and everything, I excelled so well in everything that I wanted my money, my education, and everything. I wanted to do what they were doing. And I was married to my first wife. She used to say, why you trying to be white? I I like I'm not trying to be white.

MeShorn Daniels: 11:07

I'm trying to be successful. I'm trying to I'm trying to go after I'm trying to hang out with these folks. I don't know none of this stuff. And so when I was hanging out with some of my American, European friends notice I say that I don't use white anymore. I'm only using color in white for your for your benefit, but I use the terminology in my book, the American, Europeans, or, or the dominant majority.

MeShorn Daniels: 11:33

But when I was hanging out in their environment, I wanna always hang out where they were going. I remember the first time I was hanging out with I was out of the party doing some things, and they like me showing there was a second time. Here's come here come the second time. You're not black. So they what the hell you mean I'm not black?

MeShorn Daniels: 11:55

So now I got to hear it from their perspective of why I wasn't black. Okay? From them, they were saying I was operating out of my place. You you you what a you you hanging out with a so it was a it was a real eye opener. So they didn't know that I heard it.

MeShorn Daniels: 12:17

This is, like, the second time I heard. So it was through all that and then me being in the lawsuit that caused me to title my book. You know what? I'm not black American. I'm uncle Mee Shawn.

MeShorn Daniels: 12:33

I'm an American descendant of Slick.

International Book Show: 12:36

Now I'm gonna come in, uncle MeeShawn. And I wanted to know how you how you felt, or how difficult it was for you, you know, growing up because your physical appearance, everyone would say, oh, you know, he's black by looking at you physically. And, you know, that's what obviously how you fought into a certain period of time. And then people telling you that, you know, you're not black, you're not this where, you know, well, physically, that's how you're paying. That's how, you know, you felt you were at the time.

International Book Show: 13:00

So I guess, you know, black people gets rejecting you and saying, oh, you're not black. And then also having it from white people. I mean and then you having to learn how to be black. So how did you feel, and how difficult was that for you?

MeShorn Daniels: 13:13

Well, the fact of the matter is, so you gotta realize I had 2 faith. My first phase was first learning how to be received and accepted by those that I wanted to be received and accept by those who look like me. So it I I went to a great effort to learn how to be accepted and receive as down in my culture. I mean, so down that I've done things that I'm not you know, I've I've done some things that that is pretty dark, to go down to be accepted. So once I had achieved it and, you know, this is how you know you have achieved it.

MeShorn Daniels: 13:51

So it's there there is a certain level of promotion in learning how to be accepted and when others recognize you have officially or, essentially achieved your black tie. Okay? Well, when I was hanging out with the fellas, I was just a protege. Okay? And I used to have 5 guys that I hung up with.

MeShorn Daniels: 14:14

The star grads, you kinda would consider the the head of the group. And then you had George, you had Keith, Yeah. Mosik. And you had a and I had a, a, Rafael who was a Cuban guy that I hung out with and cup then a Spanish guy. But I was just like the 5th row, 5th wheel.

MeShorn Daniels: 14:32

When I used to hang out with him 2, 3 like, 2, 3 years old straight, you know, Learning how to mimic and hanging out with them was like whoosh. It was like, you know, I was like the protege under them. But, eventually, my 3rd year, you know, military, everybody transitioning and everything. What happened is that I learned how to become my own individual. This is how you try.

MeShorn Daniels: 15:02

I became my own man and black. I had my own crew. I had people who was rolling with me. Okay? You know, that's that's me.

MeShorn Daniels: 15:09

Yeah. I had become a ladies' man. I would oh, lady. Listen. I had became my own status on Fort Campbell, Kentucky that I had learned to establish that I was the man.

MeShorn Daniels: 15:21

And remember, I'm just mimicking how to be black. Still in myself, in my heart, I wouldn't. I just want you to be very clear. That's why it was easy for me to transition as a surgical technologist in an environment where predominantly everyone was white. Because I was only doing it to do what?

MeShorn Daniels: 15:42

I'm gonna wanna make sure you know, why was I learning how to be black? I want you to understand. I need for you to say it to me. Why do you think I was learning how to be black?

International Book Show: 15:53

Because you wanted to fit in. You wanted to be what people what black people were so fit as being black.

MeShorn Daniels: 15:59

Yes. Exactly. Didn't mean that I didn't mean that I agreed. Now I want you to it didn't mean that I agreed with everything I was doing. Do you understand what I did?

MeShorn Daniels: 16:10

That doesn't mean that I was ball balled. That's the indoctrination. Okay? Didn't mean I was indoctrinated in everything that I was doing. I was doing it to do what?

MeShorn Daniels: 16:20

To be what? To be accepted. You see the difference?

International Book Show: 16:25

Completely. I understand. I I understand. And I think you know what? By by no means, you'll probably be the only person.

International Book Show: 16:32

There'll be a lot of people that will say this, that will say that. We'll be having, you know, probably a similar feel similar to you is that they've, maybe they was labeled as not black because it's doing certain things, and they felt like just like you that they had to, you know, learn to be black and do certain things, which are, you know, to kind of fit in. We are, you know, which are not necessarily, you know, black things anyway, but they're they're they're things that, you know, black people get associated with.

MeShorn Daniels: 16:57

But do you know the terminology code switching? I didn't know. I discovered the word code switching writing my book. Code switching is what I was learning how to do, and I didn't know that. It was through my ghostwriter that I learned code with the terminology code switching.

MeShorn Daniels: 17:14

Have you ever heard of the word code switching? You ever heard that word terminology before?

International Book Show: 17:19

Yes.

MeShorn Daniels: 17:20

It well, code switching is the ability to be able to, engage and behave in the social environment to be accepted. So in all actuality, I was code switching to be accepted and and versus being a doctor, and I was code switching because I could easily see. Even when me sitting here talking to you right now, I know how to speak in such a manner where we and I can have a conversation. But if some of the brothers from the hood came on this conversation and everything, yeah, yeah, I know how to go there too. I know.

MeShorn Daniels: 17:55

And if someone of academia high academia, level of, intellect would also engage under the I know how to go there as well. You see the difference? That's that's what code switching is. The ability to code switch in between different social, environments is, groups being able to engage them in different social conversations.

International Book Show: 18:24

K. Let me come in now, uncle me, Sean. And something you mentioned earlier, that I picked up on is you mentioned the term uncle Tom and you know we have listeners all over the world yeah we have listeners in England, America, Africa, Caribbean so not everyone may be familiar some people will not everyone be familiar with what uncle Tom is in the term and interestingly, you know, your you mentioned your name is Mishaan but you've added uncle to it and uncle Mishaan. So can you explain, you know, the significance around adding the uncle to your name, uncle MeeShawn? And does it have anything to do with the uncle Tom and what what an uncle Tom is?

MeShorn Daniels: 19:00

Absolutely and very astute of you to ask that question. I'm very glad that you actually asked that question. It's it's almost as if you have read my book, and you you you're knowing how to, you just I I I I you're just gonna go ahead and say, you just good at this. Right? You just gonna say you good at this.

MeShorn Daniels: 19:18

Right? Is that what it is? You just good, sir. You just good. Because you ain't even read my book, but you asked me some of the questions that I would want people to ask me.

MeShorn Daniels: 19:27

But I don't want to engage them because this is it's a different conversation if I ask people to ask me certain things. But I found it very amazing, but you're just me that you asking me the questions that I really want people to ask me. So, yes, why did I call myself uncle Mishan? Well, I call myself uncle Mishan for multiple reasons. And so, say the first multiple reason is that, do you know the story of Emmett Till?

MeShorn Daniels: 19:58

The Emmett Till story with the young man that the young boy that was that was killed and was taken out of his uncle's home in Money, Mississippi. Do you know that story?

International Book Show: 20:13

I do. But I would love if you could elaborate for the listeners because not everyone, is familiar with that story.

MeShorn Daniels: 20:19

Yes. So in in in a time of racial, tension in, in the in the in America, in the early South, Money, Mississippi, young kid from Chicago, his name was Emmett Till. His uncle invited him to come stay a, you know, over the summer vacation with them. And so his mother was very concerned about her son because he's from Chicago. You know?

MeShorn Daniels: 20:52

Chicago a little different. Everything she he had never left Chicago before. He never been outside of, Chicago, and here he was about to go to Money, Mississippi in the sixties. Now the mother already knew. She tried to she was prepping her son.

MeShorn Daniels: 21:11

Listen. You know, when a white person come up, you need to drop your eyes. You need to don't say nothing. You know? And and if you and all of your listeners and if you're not listening to or watch the movie, Emmett Till, you need to go look at the movie, Emmett Till.

MeShorn Daniels: 21:25

The mother was whole holly trying to prepare her son for going into an environment that he had no clue about what he was going into. But he was so pressed, and the uncle the uncle, was so welcoming to bring him to Money, Mississippi. So Emmett Till goes to Money, Mississippi. Okay? And he's hanging out with the uncle's sons, and they messed around.

MeShorn Daniels: 21:56

And this is like after they've been there for a while. They were messing around and going to the town, this little town little store, and all of them go into the store. And, the other boys go out, and, Emmett Till is in the store with a white woman. Nice, attractive white woman. He's talk he's putting his cat talk on her like he in Chicago.

MeShorn Daniels: 22:26

Okay? He like, he's in Chicago. He put in his cat talk. It's a little. And, you know, in the movie, you could tell, she, you know, she like she's shocked.

MeShorn Daniels: 22:36

What? So he he leaves there. He leaves and everything and go out. And then she comes she comes outside in it, and he whistled at her. And all oh, the the the the the son the sons of uncle, they knew that this was prob.

MeShorn Daniels: 22:58

They got him in the car. The problem is that they did not tell their uncle what happened. The uncle had no clue. They kept it quiet. 2, 3 days went by.

MeShorn Daniels: 23:09

No one nobody they they thought they thought it was hush. Maybe nothing happened. But, no, not in not not if you know not if you know the racial tension during those times. That husband of that white woman got his brother in laws and some other and and made a ride, you know, KKK. The only difference is they didn't ride in no white sheets.

MeShorn Daniels: 23:37

Okay? They came to the uncle's house in the middle of the night. Had to be midnight. Okay? And they knocked at his door.

MeShorn Daniels: 23:46

He walked to the door to find a and, you know, he I was just so you understand, the uncle knew how to behave. Okay? He knew exactly he was not in control, and he had to reach. They said, do you have a boy here, from out of town? And the uncle said, yes, sir.

MeShorn Daniels: 24:08

I need to see him. He when he's big, can we that they let it they they made it be known that this wasn't a this wasn't a, courtesy call. This is a you. And then they just walked in the house. Can you imagine someone today just walking in your house?

MeShorn Daniels: 24:27

They just walked in the uncle's house, went to the bedroom, found the little boy, took the little boy out the house, put him in the truck and everything, and drove off. The reason why I named myself and I I I tell this story because everybody tells a story about Emmett Till from the mother's perspective, but no one tells the story from the uncle perspective. The uncle, how that uncle must have felt, He could not protect his nephew. The uncle, 2, 3 days, 4 days went by, and until he was finally found. They found him in the river.

MeShorn Daniels: 25:27

Gunshot, beat up, bloody everything. Oh, man. You have to look at the movie. But here's the point where I want people to understand why I appreciate uncle Morse Wright, and that's what his name, uncle Morse Wright. Uncle Morse Wright realized that he had failed his nephew.

MeShorn Daniels: 25:49

Uncle Morse should've probably never allowed that little boy to come down to Mississippi. He should've been aware of the conditions. He should've had enough astuteness to be aware that he wasn't in control enough. He could not protect that little boy in Money, Mississippi. So I no one talks about this part of the story, and this is why when I saw this movie and I looked at it 5 times, it was part of reason why I called myself uncle.

MeShorn Daniels: 26:26

The uncle Moss sent his family away from Munnet, Mississippi. There was a trial and there was a and uncle Moss went in the courtroom, and he pointed out these men who came and took the boy out his house. He pointed them out. He pointed them out, called them out, and he stood there right there and named them all that they were the one. And on a all white jury, All those the 2 men was not found guilty.

MeShorn Daniels: 27:06

Money, Mississippi. He left Money, Mississippi in November to return, but he never was killed. He was never lynched. He was not there. Let me explain something to you.

MeShorn Daniels: 27:19

That is not historically the truth of what happened when you have done such a thing to white men during that time. Uncle Morse Wright should be considered a hero, and Emmett Till should be considered the Jesus Christ, the sacrifice. That should have been the movement that we should have been talking about. It should have been all men standing there with uncle Moss. There were nobody standing there with him.

MeShorn Daniels: 27:53

That man had to go in that courtroom by himself because everybody was fearful of the times. And so I honor uncle Marsh Wright by calling myself uncle Michonne. That's why I call myself uncle Michonne. I wanna honor his life. I wanna honor what he did for his the stand up to try to do the right thing for his nephew.

MeShorn Daniels: 28:18

So I hope that wasn't too long winded, but that's the primary reason why I named myself uncle Michelin.

International Book Show: 28:26

Okay. Understood. So I'm gonna go on to my next question now. And thanks for the explanation, by the way. I'm now gonna ask you is, now you clearly don't identify yourself as black American and now based on, you know, your story and what you've been explaining, I think some of the listeners would, you know, would understand, you know, why or someone may, you know, understand a bit why.

International Book Show: 28:50

So what would how would you identify yourself then?

MeShorn Daniels: 28:56

Again? Look at you. Just a great question. So, obviously, if I'm not identifying myself as black, so who am I? Or who am I willing to identify myself?

MeShorn Daniels: 29:09

So doing the researching, doing the previously before I even, did the research into my book, I was introduced to this gentleman called Noah Shelton. And they now he's considered doctor Noah Shelton. He wrote this book called America's Little Black Book. In 2005, 2006, I read his book. And because I was already struggling with the color identity anyway, and I didn't like African American because I never been to Africa.

MeShorn Daniels: 29:47

And it makes sense for me to call myself African American, so I didn't like that terminology. So it was in his book, America's Little Black Book, that he brought out that we are neither black, Negro, or African Americans, or the n I g g e r. He was saying that since 16/19 to 18/65, we were American slaves. I'm a pause. American slaves?

MeShorn Daniels: 30:20

His thinking was and it's very clear. I thought I thought it was quite interesting. He said, if enslaved Africans were brought from Africa to America and their offsprings legally was born into on American soil as Africans I mean, excuse me, as slaves. And then America incorporated in 1776, taking those 16 19 born slaves into the new land, new territory of America after 17/70/8. They should have been they their real nomenclature and this is my put my military tip on it.

MeShorn Daniels: 31:13

They know they real human identity or they real, hybrid terminology. And the reason I say hybrid is because the slave owners or the 15 original slave states was breeding and manufacturing the slaves. They didn't separate the tribes from all these different Africans coming from Africa. They put them all together. So they they created the whole new hybrid of Americans, American slaves.

MeShorn Daniels: 31:46

And so when you consider from 6 19 to 1865, June 10th, that's American slaves. And then 1866 to 2019 is descendants of American slaves. And when you consider 16/19 all the way to 2019, that's 400 years. 400 years. So I currently realize that now that 400 years right after, 2019, COVID hit.

MeShorn Daniels: 32:20

Now I found it very interesting that, you know, and I it's on the back of my book that bro talk about this. Don't anybody find it interesting that during COVID, the reason why, economics and and and and, what what we call wealth was built in this country, came off of slaves. Anybody find it interesting that 2019, we had a COVID 19 with all economics of all type across the whole world was shut down? And from 16/19 to 29 will be 400 years that my ancestors was in America. It's that sounds biblical that people will be able to people will wonder for 400 years and the land is not theirs.

MeShorn Daniels: 33:14

And, eventually, after 400 years, they will come to understand who they are. I don't know, but I'd say I think it's pretty interesting that 16 19 to 2019 marks 400 years, and the the cold entire economy around the world shuts down, dignifying, in my opinion, slavery. Slavery. Honoring the first ancestors. And then once I pick picked that, I started saying, let's put America first in our terminology and call ourselves and who I identify myself as now, American descendants of slaves, ADS, ADOS.

MeShorn Daniels: 33:59

So I identify myself as an American descendants of slave, putting America first, wanting America to pass new legislation striking down color. And that is the reason why my book my book is to bring attention to strike down color throughout the United States, where we'll no longer be identified by color, but we'll put the country, America, for so all those who want to identify themselves as white, they be Americans. No shame that I ain't mad at them. But all of us who wants to see ourself identify as those born here on the soul of America, we are American descendants of slaves.

International Book Show: 34:44

What kind of feedback have you got from the book?

MeShorn Daniels: 34:48

Oh my I've gotten beautiful feedback. You could actually know the feedback I got it by just looking at the going on going on my page and seeing the, interviews that I've done. I, and what's so beautiful about it, every time I have these top interviews or I, engage, I get more people, very much, interested in matter of fact, the beautiful part of this that every time someone reads my book, my book calls people to think outside the box, and it's doing exactly what I wanted. And I I don't I let people know right up front. I wrote my book as therapy for myself initially.

MeShorn Daniels: 35:36

And then because of my ghost writer who was a 25 year old, very, literature, very academia young man. He felt my pain when I sat there and talked to him about all the things that I went through. So my ghost writer, really, him and I just jelled and just, sea energy. Oh my god. And, it it just none of this will mean anything to you until you read my book because I talk about this in my book, how my MMI ghostwriter jailed, and he helped me put this together and everything.

MeShorn Daniels: 36:13

And, my book is, is actually a a therapy, not solely for myself, I'm discovering. But the responses that I'm getting from everybody, it it seems to be serving even the multitude of people who have read my book and everything as well.

International Book Show: 36:33

Well, we're gonna be coming to a conclusion of the interview soon. But before we do that, I'm gonna ask you to tell us where your book can be purchased from, you know, and etcetera. But what I want you to do is if there's anything that you you haven't mentioned in this interview that you would like to comment on or or or say, you know, that's in your book or, you know, just, you know, general comment that you have, yeah, please, you know, just give us your final comments.

MeShorn Daniels: 37:01

Well, I appreciate you asking that question. Well, if if if if if I can help anyone to maybe say, interesting. I wanna learn more about this. Here's where I will ask you to immediately understand why you ought to read my book. If you realize, culturally, we, as a demographics of people, the color construct was something that was manufactured since Jamestown.

MeShorn Daniels: 37:36

I want you to understand that doing the study in my book, I discovered if you never knew this, Jamestown, Virginia, baking rebellions, Nathaniel Bacon, was a revolt. And the concept of whiteness was put into place intentionally intentionally. The color construct is the man made man made concept, totally manufactured. And my demographics of people was not able to defend themselves against it. So when I discovered that, and I'm a military person and I'm a medical person as well, I realized if something was manufactured and created, that means it can be striked down.

MeShorn Daniels: 38:27

That means it can be removed. And when I understand what a virus is, a virus is known by you have to return to the original origin so you will know how to treat the virus. Because what's known at the original origin is the antidote of fixing the problem. So fixing our problem of color is returning to the very fact that color was an intentional thing. Bread intentionally deceive people out of their birthrights, birthplace, and inheritance.

MeShorn Daniels: 39:09

The terminology reparation does not belong to us born here in America. So I don't even want the term reparation. I don't seek reparation for my demographics of people. Reparation belongs to people who are in Africa. Those people who were invaded by all those multiple, countries that invaded Africa.

MeShorn Daniels: 39:34

Africa deserve reparation. My ancestors born on American soil, we are shareholders of America. I hope you understand we are in search of our birthplace, birthrights, and our inheritance. And that's what if you don't understand anything else, I want you to get the language right, get the username right. We need to come from under the color construct.

MeShorn Daniels: 40:06

We trying to get our inheritance from America, and our inheritance ultimately is from our God. Ultimately, when we seek after what god has for us, you'll be surprised how god will open up and give you your inheritance.

International Book Show: 40:25

Well, I'll come, Sean. Thank you very much for joining us on this edition of the international book show. Before we go, what I want you to do is to tell the listeners where they can purchase your book from and, again, the title of your book.

MeShorn Daniels: 40:40

The title of my book is Uncle MeeShawn Uncle MeeShawn, m e s h o r e n. You got to spell it right. And if you go to unclemeshorn.com, unclemeshorn.com, you will notice everything you're looking for is right there on my website. You can get a hard copy. You get a printed copy.

MeShorn Daniels: 41:05

You get a Kindle. And and what I'm hearing, my audiobook my audiobook is off the hook because you can get to feel the passion on the story being told. So, again, uncle me, Sean.com is where you can get my book.

International Book Show: 41:25

Thank you very much, uncle me, Sean.