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Simon is the CEO and Co-Founder of Stamped Technologies, a tech-enabled audit firm focusing on year-end compliance services that leverage technology, purposely built AI, and seasoned CPAs. In this episode, Simon and Stuart discuss the technological advancements in the accounting industry, Simon’s career journey, and the story of Stamped. They deep-dive into the application of AI in the industry and how Simon sees the development of Stamped in the future.
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Stuart McLeod 00:00:06.342 [music] Hi, I'm Stuart McLeod, CEO and co-founder of Karbon. Welcome to the Accounting Leaders Podcast, the show where I go behind the scenes with the world's top accounting leaders. Today, I'm joined by Simon Langlois, the CEO and co-founder of Stamped Technologies. Stamped is a modern accounting firm leveraging technology to give small and medium businesses fast audit experiences by automating the repetitive and clerical work involved in auditing. Before founding Stamps, Simon spent six years auditing at PwC and was the first head of finance at Poker, helping the founders raise 6.5 million in two rounds. It's my pleasure to welcome to Accounting Leaders Podcast, Simon Langlois. Simon, tell me what your PwC experience was like. Well, perhaps first, let's go back before that. Growing up in Quebec City, you went to college or university, as us Commonwealth would often call it.
Simon Langlois 00:01:05.095 Yep. So here, we have what they call CEGEP. So it's the equivalent of prep school in the US. So you do five years of high school and then CEGEP up for two or three years, depending on your program, and then you go to university. So I've always stayed local. So I played American football for 10 years. So played local at school and then played for CEGEP at St Ethics and then Laval University as well.
Stuart McLeod 00:01:32.958 Wow. So you played American football in Quebec in Montreal. What's the League like in Montreal? Are they pretty serious, or?
Simon Langlois 00:01:42.678 Yes. And in Quebec City as well, we have the provincial league. So it was the best school from all over the province of Quebec that were competing together. And we had pretty decent football player that came out of the province of Quebec. One of the most notorious is Laval's [inaudible], who played for the Chiefs of Kansas City and is now with the Jets. So he played in Montreal for--
Stuart McLeod 00:02:10.854 Say the name again.
Simon Langlois 00:02:12.348 [inaudible]. So it's a French name in the NFL. He's the one that is also a doctor.
Stuart McLeod 00:02:20.085 Oh, of course, of course [laughter]. And which position is-- so he's with the Jets now. Which position? Is he offense or defense?
Simon Langlois 00:02:28.713 I think his offense he's-- his offense is, I think, his right guard on the offensive line.
Stuart McLeod 00:02:33.713 Right. Where did you play?
Simon Langlois 00:02:35.392 I played left tackle until I reached university because I've always been the biggest of my team and one of the biggest of the league. But when you reach university level, it's the biggest of all leagues. So I was a bit short to play as a tackle, so I was moved to the inside line, but I had to stop early in my football career. I had two bad surgeries on my shoulders. So yeah. Shoulders are useful when you play as offensive linemen [laughter].
Stuart McLeod 00:03:05.903 My goodness. So that's almost guaranteed as a tackle, right, shoulder surgery, and?
Simon Langlois 00:03:10.726 Yeah.
Stuart McLeod 00:03:11.976 It's a tough game. What did you learn most out of your football career?
Simon Langlois 00:03:17.760 I would say [laughter] I definitely learned more on the football field than I did in school. I think playing competitive sport is what prepares you the most for the business world or just the real-life after school. So basically, I've learned everything from grit to commitment, discipline. Those are all the lifelong learning I did in those 10 years.
Stuart McLeod 00:03:38.968 And stopped before you need surgery [laughter]. Not knowing much about the game and now being here 10 years. I still remember, at high school, we would gather the rules off as best we could off the TV, and we'd go and play at lunchtime [laughter]. No pads, no helmets, none of that sissy stuff, right?
Simon Langlois 00:04:08.623 It was a little British-American football.
Stuart McLeod 00:04:11.070 Yeah, yeah, exactly [laughter]. And we still remember coming into math class covered in blood [laughter]. White prep school preppy sort of shirts and a purple tie and everything. And just [laughter], yeah, I still remember running back, catching. I caught it and ran into the biggest kid in our class. I just went down like a sack of shit and hit my nose on his head or something. But the most important thing was I'm pretty sure I caught it. Well, I'm going to tell the story like I caught it anyway [laughter]. But that was my NFL career. But being here, we have a family. At five o'clock-- I wouldn't say ritual, but we will often sit down at five o'clock on a Sunday and watch out Michaels and Chris Collinsworth. But I don't think that's going to happen this next season, is it?
Simon Langlois 00:05:07.118 Not sure. I'm not really following the NFL anymore. Once I've stopped, I've kind of, yeah, turned my back on the football. Not really, but yeah. I've always been too busy, and I've always loved sports in general. But watching on TV is not my cup of tea.
Stuart McLeod 00:05:26.515 Do you play anything to keep your mind off things these days?
Simon Langlois 00:05:30.760 Recently, I hired a personal trainer to just get back a bit more on the physical activities. I've been pretty deep on building Stamped over the past four years. So I've kind of put my health a lot aside and focused on the business and family. So I decided to put myself a bit ahead in 2022 and lose a bit of excess weight and just be healthier in general so I can keep pushing for the business because, at some point, you know what it is. The business will only go as far as the founder can bring it. So you need to be in shape physically and mentally, so.
Stuart McLeod 00:06:12.461 After university, was your first job at PwC? Is that sort of the career path?
Simon Langlois 00:06:20.685 Yep. So it was my first real corporate job. I've had a lot of student crappy job that are not worth mentioning, but my first corporate job was at PricewaterhouseCoopers in the Audit Nations Group, obviously. So I did a bachelor degree in accounting. So I was hired during my bachelor degree as a intern. So did summer internship, winter internship during busy season, learned a ton of things, passed the CPA exam in Canada in 2013, and then did a year in corporate finance, business [structuration?] with companies in insolvency situation and stuff like that. Those who think it's a bad context to work for your client as an auditor, I've never worked as an insolvency professional forced by the bank. So [laughter] it's the worst context ever you want to collaborate with a business. So didn't really enjoy that.
Simon Langlois 00:07:18.859 And then I did a jump in a tech start-up here in Quebec City called Poca. They're still in business. So it was a tech company that build an app for manufacturing company allowing plant workers to more easily share their soft knowledge. So basically, they were replacing those big binder of procedures in manufacturing plan by video archive. It was a mix of Facebook and YouTube for manufacturing companies. It was a really great experience for me because to kind of step away of the traditional accounting, I was more of a Jack of all trade. So a lot of aspect of the business such as fundraising, legal, corporate finance, sales. So I was really kind of helping the founders anyway I could. I stayed at Poca for two years. We raised two round of funding for a total of 6.5 million, [inaudible] into like 32 employee. But then I just realized that I was not the kind of CPA that was enjoying doing payroll every two weeks and monthly reporting updates for the investors. I felt it was kind of getting redundant. And then my kind of learning curve was stopping. And at the time, I was just 28, so I was not enjoying being in that position. So I decided to go back at PricewaterhouseCoopers. And basically, it's kind of by adding both of my background from my two years at Poca and my kind of five years prior to Poca in audit and assurance that kind of led to the idea of building Stamped basically. So it's really a culmination of everything.
Stuart McLeod 00:08:52.056 Yeah. Okay, well, let's talk about Stamped. So stamped.ai is an accounting firm that uses technology to provide predominantly small businesses-- I assume small business clients with their financial and corporate tax prep and related systems, right? So tell me the genesis of the idea and when you started. And start at the start for us.
Simon Langlois 00:09:16.557 Basically, when I was at Poca, I was the only person in the finance department for a 22% company, so it was getting a bit overwhelming. But I was able to kind of efficiently manage the finance of the company through cloud-based product, right? So this is kind of through my journey at Poca that I discovered. I started to touch what they call the CFO tech stack or finance tech stack, so basically, QBO and the likes and decks and all those apps that integrate together to kind of provide a efficient bookkeeping stack. So when I went back at PricewaterhouseCoopers afterwards, I was kind of shocked to realize that even after two years of the audit and seeing how the bookkeeping and accounting world has evolved in terms of automation and integration, I was really shocked to see that auditors were still spending like 60, 70 percent of their time in Excel trying to reconciliate different databases together and vouch PDF invoices. Okay, is it necessary to use CPAs and MBA grads to do this type of job? Right? Sorry for other CPAs who may listen, but it's a job that a well-trained monkey can do, right? So it's really a job that a well-trained monkey could do.
Stuart McLeod 00:10:32.267 There's a lot of well-trained monkeys out there. I mean, you can do a lot with them [laughter].
Simon Langlois 00:10:37.044 Yeah, believe it or not. And then I just started to kind of reflect on the status of the audit and assurance industry and start noticing customer issues but also auditors issues. There's a crazy high turnover rate in the large audit firm on the market and I would say in every audit firm right now. So it's pretty hard to retain the staff because the job is just that fun to do, right? You need to go through three years of redundant and repetitive work until you kind of reach the seniority level where you will be more reviewing the work than doing the work. And then you keep like climbing up the ladder until you reach hopefully one day the partners role. But it's like if the new generation of CPA are not willing to do this leap of faith of climbing the ladder one at a time until you reach partner after 15, 20 years now because it looks like, every year, big firms kind of takes more time to promote people at partner status.
Simon Langlois 00:11:38.568 On one end, we were facing the staff shortage and the high turnover rate. And on the customer side, they were like, "Look, I'm using all this technology. Why do I need to extract all my information in an Excel to provide it to you so you can work in your legacy system using Excel files?" So basically, I started to kind of dig in this API economy but in this interconnected environment where, basically, in the US, you can connect Gusto with QuickBooks and decks. And you have a pretty efficient tech stack where every system is going to communicate independently together. But basically, when your auditor or your CPA come in at your end, they want Excel files, right? Because they don't talk API game, or they don't talk in JSON file language. So it's like if all this innovation was dying for a few weeks, a few months at year-end just to deal with your year-end CPA, right? So we're basically building an app that will integrate with all the commonly used application by the SMBs. And instead of doing a manual compliance check, we'll just make sure that your company stay year-end ready all year round, basically. So we'll just investigate all their transactions, identify potential outliers, and then investigate it right away instead of waiting for year-ends to do the work.
Stuart McLeod 00:13:05.955 There is a lot of theory over the years, particularly since the online general ledger took over from the desktop ledger. I mean, that's probably the most significant change in advancement in technology in the accounting industry over the last sort of 15 years or so. And there is a lot of theory around, well, like, "We don't really need the bookkeepers anymore, and we can elevate everybody up the value chain because the computer can do all the reconciliation." Sorry [laughter]-- I shouldn't try my French accent. The computer can do the reconciliation, right? So that hasn't really turned out that way so far. What do you think is holding back that significant advancement?
Simon Langlois 00:13:54.793 Technology play is more about enabling human than eradicating human from the process, right? Because there will always be an invoice that hasn't been properly scanned that is hard to read that needs to be classified by a human. There will always be a transaction triggered by a 10-or-15-page contract that you need an actual human to go through and kind of grasp the nature and the substance of the contract to properly record it. So I think technology just allows the industry of accounting to address the staff shortage problem. You're speaking with a lot of accountants, obviously. But every bookkeeping firm are almost turning down clients because they're too solicit. Same thing with audit firms and CPA firm. Everyone is looking to hire people, but it's just almost impossible to do in this crazy market right now. So I see technology as a way to augment the human capabilities and make sure that we can provide and answer the actual demand because it is a quite stable demand. It's just that, to me, I've seen a significant decline in the supply, basically.
Stuart McLeod 00:15:06.492 And there's a dichotomy here, right, with accountants that perhaps don't come through the bookkeeping and the audit and assurance path. And you said it before. There's not that many people that want to sort of hang around for 25 years to be a partner [laughter]. I wonder why. So there's a gap in skill sets as well, yeah?
Simon Langlois 00:15:30.311 No, yeah, definitely. And the staff shortage-- even being a partner-- once you've reached that holy grail of being partnered at a big four firm, you're now like the pyramid is kind of flat enough. So now I know big four partner that are kind of getting involved back again in the file and do actual work because associates and seniors are not willing to work 80 hours anymore per week. If you want to meet the deliverable deadline, partners and senior managers needs to be involved again on the ground floor. So it must be pretty harsh to kind of have worked so hard in your life [laughter] to reach that given holy grail--
Stuart McLeod 00:16:12.366 Yeah. And then, all of a sudden, you're back down the totem pole [laughter].
Simon Langlois 00:16:17.674 Exactly. So yeah, you're right. Well, in terms of skill set, I think, especially when a company needs to be audited or reviewed, you need to be compliant with the GAAP, right, with the General Accepted Accounting Principle. And most bookkeeping firm have a focus on the tax requirements. So there's a lot of adjustment that needs to be done to meet GAAP requirements that basically the banks will rely on to take lending decision or investors will-- I think there's a clear segregation between the role of the bookkeeper and the role of the CPA. And clearly, on the CPA side, when you fall into the GAAP world, there's clearly abundant opportunities for automation. But there's also other situation where you need to record stock option plan. It's not going to happen anytime soon that an AI will take care of that because it's a pretty complex and technical problem that involves different calculation and assumptions. And there's other situation where, let's say, your company close around funding and you need to go through 400 pages of closing decks to understand the transaction and what happens and stuff like that. It's another hard problem to solve. But when you think more of the mechanical part of getting assurance on revenues, expenses, and cash-in and cash-out, this represents quite a fair proportion of the time spent on the audit. But this is highly automatable. Right.
Stuart McLeod 00:17:51.947 We're talking about sort of the genesis of Stamped and how it came about. That all makes sense. Just sort of trying to use computers where computers are best and take out some of the low-end work. What's been your experience as a founder of an accounting software so far?
Simon Langlois 00:18:08.095 Really interesting. Some days-- actually, every day are pretty challenging. But at the end of the day, it's the most rewarding job I have. To have the opportunity to create something that might change a whole industry is-- I've always been the goal. And it's always fun to kind of get sign that you're slowly but surely getting there. As we were saying on the football field, it's one inch at a time, right? Some play you can throw a home run and score a touchdown on one try. But sometimes, you'll just move the ball. All you need is three yards per play, right? And you'll get a first down. So [laughter] it's slowly but surely moving, getting momentum. But what has been particularly challenging from the inception of the company is actually building the technology while running the service component of Stamped as well because we're actually the signatory of the financial statement of our clients, right? We're not selling our technology to traditional CPA firm. We're actually kind of a new breed of accounting firm that is tech-enabled. So half of our team are software engineer. The other half is CPA. And together, we're trying to combine the best of AI and human knowledge to deliver world-class audit assurance services.
Stuart McLeod 00:19:36.127 Yep. And so what do you think about-- so if you're building this technology for your own use, how do you get the broad array of clients that you need in order to sort of build the models and the learning systems in order to ensure accuracy and correctness?
Simon Langlois 00:19:54.416 Access to data will always be the challenge of an AI company. I think being a tech-enabled service company allows us to actually get the data in a context where the client-- you hired us to certify this financial statement and prepare corporate its tax return, right? So it's the perfect context to get access to the data. Whereas, if we were not providing the service, not sure if SMBs would be willing to share the data just to allow us to build models. So we always like starting with you bottom-up approach or start slow and accelerate afterwards. So we're basically starting with rule basis. And then the software, based on those rules, will perform certain selection to identify certain transaction. And then the selection will be confirmed or denied by the CPA. And this is kind of where we benefit from the human in the new system that we're building basically. So we're not like-- obviously, it will be useful to have like 10X data that we have now, but we'll get there slowly but surely by getting more attraction and inquiring more client to serve. And as that happen, our model will become more and more intelligent basically over time because besides that, the data acquisition, I think, would be a real struggle because SMBs will not be sharing their accounting data just for the sake of it, right?
Stuart McLeod 00:21:20.339 So how many staff now, and where are you going to take Stamped, and what are your hopes and dreams [laughter]?
Simon Langlois 00:21:26.010 Right now, we're a team of 27. We have 27. We have 10 person on the engineering side. There's three person focus on building AI and machine learning model. And we have 1 person dedicated for the sales and myself. So the rest is like 14 accountants, basically, working on providing client services. And well, we want to bring the company as far as we can. But basically, I clearly see an opportunity. And yeah, so we all need a vision, right? And shooting for Mars. If you miss, you'll land on the moon. So I clearly see an opportunity where 70% of the financial statement in North America could be issued through Stamped, so either as Stamped as the signatory of the financial statement or as a white label for other CPA firms because we have a very niche type of clients that we want to onboard. So basically, we want to deal with companies that have embraced cloud technology. But basically, our technology could be used by other CPA firm to deal with more traditional clients as well because you can just import a spreadsheet into Stamped. And facing the staff shortage, typical firm will use CaseWare that provide very low level of automation for them. So we could start to license them as a white-label product for any large audit firm that we're not basically be competing too because they are serving way too bigger clients for us. Basically, we're going to have a set of goals for the size of companies we want to serve. And above that, it's like either too complex or too risky or both and too human-intensive, basically. So it's an opportunity to, on one end, becoming a very large audit and assurance firm while also licensing our technology for other firms that we're not directly competing with.
Stuart McLeod 00:23:29.025 So you reckon that there's an opportunity there to white label Stamped into other firms? And how you going about that? Have you spoken to other firms? And so you think it's a competitor to CaseWare and start taking out legacy software? That'd be great [laughter].
Simon Langlois 00:23:45.452 Yes, because just like Excel, I think there's a lot of accountants that have a love-hate relationship with legacy technology that are currently available. Obviously, they would like more integration, more automation, more recommendation. So this is actually what we want to provide. And we've had like discovery call. But you know what it is like to discuss with big four firm. It's always like years of discussion. But it's okay because, obviously, even if one of the big four were providing their blessing tomorrow, we wouldn't be necessarily ready to serve this kind of client. But it's always good to kind of better understand their needs and where they see the industry evolving and what they're working on as well because, as you know, at their scale, they have internal developers that kind of work on proper technology as well. So it's always interesting to learn where they are going and what are their concerns.
Stuart McLeod 00:24:42.862 With everything that's going on and growing the firm and growing the technology, what have you learned so far about where the Canadian accounting industry is up to in terms of technology and the competitive landscape? You got wonderful firms like LiveCA and Volta and these guys. Where do you think Stamped fits into that landscape?
Simon Langlois 00:25:04.789 Right. So we really want to focus on differentiating ourselves only on the audit and assurance. Right now, we're kind of not competing against LiveCA because they really deal with a-- they're a one-stop shop, right? They will serve customers with bookkeeping up to corporate tax return and compilation engagement. Right now, we're more partnering with smaller bookkeeping firm and smaller accounting firm that do not necessarily have a CPA now. So we kind of become their dedicated CPA partner where we have an app that integrate with their tech stack. They can provide a cloud-based services end-to-end with their clients. So we currently benefit from the support of-- it's a 40, 44, 45 bookkeeping firm partner that use our app to manage their clients here. And basically, right now, this is how we kind of scale. We present Stamped as an app that bookkeepers can use to efficiently manage corporate tax return, compilation engagement, and smaller engagement like that. And as we move up-market and we focus more on review engagement and audit, then it will become kind of relevant to start talking with Volta and LiveCA that kind of offer similar services on the compilation and corporate tax returns of it. But they do not offer review and audit assurance services.
Stuart McLeod 00:26:31.935 You see yourself as sort of being able to add-- being a value-add to those kinds of services to tackle audit and assurance. That makes sense. That makes sense.
Simon Langlois 00:26:42.290 Yeah, because cloud-based bookkeeping firm want to build processes, right? They will trade like 1 of 50 hours for 4 hours per month because it is predictable and scalable. And the problem with year-end services is that, right now, they have zero visibility on this part of the accounting lifecycle. Once they fill the books already, they sent that over to the CPA. And they just pray for not having too much question or too much involvement because when you apply value pricing, obviously, the more hour you will involve in your end, the lower your profitability on the engagement. So our goal is just to fill in their current operation and exchange an unknown annual commitment to, let's say, 15, 20 minutes commitment per month to investigate the few transactions that we may have identified.
Stuart McLeod 00:27:33.826 Yep. No, that makes complete sense. So you're just kind of at a base at the moment. Is there scope to sort of expand through North America?
Simon Langlois 00:27:44.008 Yes. So we want to cover North America. So we're currently in the process of entering the US market. There's a few step before we get there. But I've passed the qualification exam for the US, so I'm in the process of registering to get the US CPA designation. And once that done, we'll be able to start operate in the US. So it should be done sometimes in Q2, actually.
Stuart McLeod 00:28:09.294 Congratulations.
Simon Langlois 00:28:10.837 Thanks a lot [laughter].
Stuart McLeod 00:28:13.049 Once you get to the US, then what's the competitive landscape look like, do you think?
Simon Langlois 00:28:17.004 There's a lot of CPA firm, right? So it's a very private industry, but my research has shown that there's roughly about 50,000 CPA firm in North America offering audit and, let's say, yearn-end compliance services or corporate tax and audit and assuarnce services. But my research have also shown that there's not another Stamped in the US right now. So we're kind of the very first taking down that route of being a tech-enabled provider of audit and assurance services. We're closer to trying to accomplish what Pilot or Bench has accomplished in the bookkeeping than being a bit like those two companies, along with bookkeeper and stuff like that that have been pretty inspirational so far. There's only a few years ahead of us in terms of existence, so it has been pretty cool to see them grow and see what they've been able to accomplish. And yeah, basically, this is kind of our destination as well.
Stuart McLeod 00:29:19.695 So what's next for Stamped?
Simon Langlois 00:29:21.385 First, we want to be able to operate in the US because it's funny because US authority will impact your Canadian one, but your Canadian authority does not improve your US authority. So as soon as we get there, we really want to kind of focus on building the brand in the US. We're also really doubling it down on the technology, obviously, because there's other firms that have tried to scale on humans, and they're really struggling. So we want to make sure that we have a sustainable scale-up through technology. We're really trying to get as much information as we can on the simple services that I've described, so corporate tax return, compilation engagement before starting to address the review and the audit because, basically, it's always like the other level of certification is always built on the one below. So you need to have a strong data pipeline to manage the different connection between the accounting system, the banking system, and how those data are being pulled and reconciled in our ad, basically, before thinking to confidently move up-market and start selling reviews and audits, which also represent more exposure for the brand because it's much harder to fail a compilation than it is to fail a review an audit. And the exposure is not the same, right? You don't want to blow up an audit that has like a 25 million debt of exposure, so it's a much bigger professional risk as well. So we really want to make sure that we have a good enough technology assistance before going down that route.
Stuart McLeod 00:31:04.955 What's the exit plan for Stamped? Do you keep going and build a game-changing [laughter] software company? Or you feel like that there's a natural exit somewhere?
Simon Langlois 00:31:15.541 It's always kind of odd to think about the idea when you're just posting. But the accounting industry is changing so much, we never know where the acquisition can come from. Two years ago, there was an H&R Block that bought Wave Accounting. So now H&R Block is not only a tax service company. They now offer bookkeeping services through their platform Wave. So who knows? Maybe H&R Block will want to be a full-stack CPA firm and offer audit national services and they will buy us. And it has a decent amount of service revenues in their P&L nowadays. With the addition of QBO Live, they have also tax services in Canada and the US. So the acquisition might come from anywhere. It could also be a big four firm that want to productize their SMB services. So yeah, there's multiple path. But I'm just really focused on relieving bookkeepers and accountants from the pressure of year-ends, and we'll see where it get us.
Stuart McLeod 00:32:24.553 Well, Simon, it's been fascinating to learn about Stamped and where you're up to in the industry and the accountants in Canada that are benefiting from your experience at PwC. And the changing technology landscape is significant, and you're contributing to it, so you should be very proud of your success so far. Congratulations on that [laughter].
Simon Langlois 00:32:47.292 Thanks for the good word. But yeah, sometimes, job is not finished. As Kobe Bryant once said, right, "Job's not finished [laughter], so."
Stuart McLeod 00:32:58.503 Well, thank you, and good luck with Stamped. And we look forward to monitoring your success.
Simon Langlois 00:33:06.051 Right. Thanks for having me on your podcast. You're truly appreciated and looking forward to meeting you in one of the accounting trade shows.
Stuart McLeod 00:33:13.355 That would be wonderful. Thank you, Simon.
Simon Langlois 00:33:14.912 Awesome. Bye-bye [music].
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