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Seth Holehouse is a TV personality, YouTuber, podcaster, and patriot who became a household name in 2020 after his video exposing election fraud was tweeted, shared, uploaded, and pinned by President Donald Trump — reaching hundreds of millions worldwide.
Titled The Plot to Steal America, the video was created with a mission to warn Americans about the communist threat to our nation—a mission that’s been at the forefront of Seth’s life for nearly two decades.
After 10 years behind the scenes at The Epoch Times, launching his own show was the logical next step. Since its debut, Seth’s show “Man in America” has garnered 1M+ viewers on a monthly basis as his commitment to bring hope to patriots and to fight communism and socialism grows daily. His guests have included Peter Navarro, Kash Patel, Senator Wendy Rogers, General Michael Flynn, and General Robert Spalding.
He is also a regular speaker at the “ReAwaken America Tour” alongside Eric Trump, Mike Lindell, Gen. Flynn.
Welcome to man in America, a voice of reason in a world gone mad. I'm your host, Seth Holehouse. So there are a lot of things threatening humanity right now, but I would say that the pinnacle of threats lies in one word, which is technocracy. And the more you dive into this, as I will today with my guest, Shannon Joy, technocracy, as you start to unpack it, you see that it is an absolutely, completely evil ideology. It is an a vision, a grand vision for a level of control over humanity that Mao Zedong or Pol Pot or Joseph Stalin could have only dreamed about.
Speaker 1:And unfortunately, the groundwork for this technocracy is being laid at a pace that is faster than we could have ever imagined. And even more unfortunately, a lot of this groundwork is being laid by our own sitting president. Right? Love him or hate him, the thing is is that there is a massive advancement of this AI technocratic system and the integration of these big tech companies into our government, into the security systems, into the, you know, monitoring of of of our personal data that's happening right now. So we need to be aware of it.
Speaker 1:And so today's conversation is going to be, you could just say, an honest discussion about technocracy, what it is. Why is why is it so threatening? But also what can we do about it? And that's what's important because I don't wanna just come to you and say, hey. There's this really scary thing.
Speaker 1:There's this really scary thing. You should be really scared. Okay. Thanks. Goodbye.
Speaker 1:Right? I wanna say, hey. There's this really scary thing. Here's why it's scary, but here's how we can kill it. Right?
Speaker 1:And that's my that's my approach. So I think you're enjoy this conversation. If you do, please like and share. And, also, just a reminder that every show that I do is a does a podcast as well as a video show. If you're watching on Rumble, that you also use Spotify or Apple Podcasts, just search for Man in America, and you'll find me on there.
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Speaker 1:It's time to get your money out of the danger zone and into something real. Again, that's (626) 654-1906 or goldwithseth.com. Shannon Joy, it is such a joy to have you on the show. Thank you so much for being here.
Speaker 2:Oh, I'm so glad to be with you, Seth. I always have a good conversation with you, and I'm looking forward to another great one.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. Well, before we we dive in to the deep end and get into technocracy and the AI takeover the world and the digital prison and all the fun things that we're gonna be talking about today. You're a podcaster like myself. You've been doing it longer than me. I think I started in 2020, but you came from a radio background.
Speaker 1:Just give us, like just do the, I guess, a quick background of your yourself, but also, like, talk about listen. Like, why do you think podcasting is so important right now, especially as an independent podcaster, which which you are, which is you know, no one's calling you and saying, hey, Shannon. Don't talk about this right now. Like, you're, you know anyone that follows you on Twitter is like
Speaker 2:Sometimes they do, Seth. Sometimes they do. And I'm like, go jump in a lake.
Speaker 1:Exactly. Exactly. You
Speaker 2:know, the influence there you know, I think that we are all influenced in some way, right? The circles that we are in and the people that we hang around with, the ideology we grew up with, you know, there's always that influence. We all have a perspective. And, you know, I think it's important to always keep that in mind. Right?
Speaker 2:Because we're always, like, looking at each other, like, who's trying to influence me? Who's trying to you know? And it's it's very we're in very weird times right now where there actually are influence campaigns. You know, there, I think that there are sophisticated propaganda campaigns out there. And so it's interesting.
Speaker 2:Podcasting is really important, I think, because of first and foremost, I think it has been, you know, pulled among Americans, you know, podcasting and podcasters. It's the number one most trusted venue for discourse in the nation, probably the world. And I think the reason for that is it is deconstructed from broadcast. Broadcast television, it is highly structured. Broadcast radio, slightly less structured.
Speaker 2:But, you know, if you look over the past twenty years, the consolidation of broadcasting, TV stations, local and national, and then also radio stations across the country, what you have found is that it has become kind of a an echo chamber where the the discourse is controlled, and that's even on on right wing news media. Right? There are power structures. There are executives and producers and people that can really distort what's happening on on radio. And so podcasting, again, has deconstructed that.
Speaker 2:It's it's it's exited the, you know, the broadcast venue, and it's free form. It can go as long as you want it to go. There is room for independence. You don't have to be a multimillionaire or go through all of the producers and say the right things and agree to the right ideologies in order to get, you know, your 8PM slot on the big network news station. I started, as you mentioned, twelve years ago in a double wide trailer in a cornfield, a tiny little AM radio station, and launched my show.
Speaker 2:And that was after fourteen years in broadcast television and broadcast radio. So I was back of the house, sales executive and marketing in in, you know, that industry and decided for whatever reason, I don't know why I did this to myself, to jump behind the mic and try to do a show. And so I've always been independent. Even in those days, I contracted with the radio station owner and brought in my own advertisers, negotiated my own ad deals, and and paid them for my slot and then made up that in revenue with with clients. So I was always kinda my own independent entity.
Speaker 2:And very shortly after, you know, being broadcast radio, it was about two years before Trump came down that golden escalator. I was a lifelong Republican. I grew up on Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity, Laura Schlesinger, Mark Levin, voted republican my entire life. My parents were republican, born again Christian, conservative, you name it, like all the things. And so I thought I was gonna go into that career and be like, okay.
Speaker 2:I'm I'm young. I'm a woman. I have I have a marketing background. I'm a copywriter. I know how to message.
Speaker 2:We can maybe start winning, you know, or I don't know. I just had something to say about the way that conservatives were perceived and republicans were perceived. And, you know, two years in, Trump comes down the escalator. I'm like, this guy's a New York City liberal democrat. I mean, I did my deep dive.
Speaker 2:I'm in New York. So we've had a we've had a long history of Donald Trump. We know we know you know what he's all about. And that was really the end of my broadcast career in AM talk radio radio. Like, you did not know.
Speaker 2:I I persisted. I stayed on AM all the way through COVID. I was kicked off of the the first station I was on by the owner because he just could not can stand my contrarian nature about Donald Trump because I'd be pointing out broken promises, Obamacare wasn't repealed, Planned Parenthood was never defunded. I mean, it was a real time analysis of like what was happening. He didn't like that, tossed me off of that station.
Speaker 2:I ended up landing on a much larger 50,000 watt AM blowtorch out of Rochester, New York, and then became syndicated on about six or seven other stations. And so I was able to do that all the way up through COVID. And then the COVID lockdowns annihilated advertisers. So I lost about 50%, probably closer to 60% of my advertising revenue during COVID, like existed, persisted. But at that time, because I became so outspoken, anti lockdown, anti forced masking, forced jabbing.
Speaker 2:My mom and my sister both lost their jobs because they were unvaccinated. We were protesting outside of our major hospital system every Monday for fifty two weeks. We were out for outside of the schools. We were at school boards. I got arrested at a school board meeting for my mask falling beneath my nose as we were trying to get the masks off the children's faces.
Speaker 2:And so I became very locally toxic. Right? Like, I would had always generated local revenue, car dealerships, restaurants, local organizations. And it just became so hot because I was so outspoken that, like, the second half of that revenue dried up. So it was right around 2022 that I decided I I need to platform.
Speaker 2:I need to really move in, lean into podcasting, and into video podcasting along with audio. And so I just kind of built my network little by little. Within a year, the podcast was dwarfing the numbers that I was doing on AM radio. We were into, you know, the millions of impressions. And so the so the show saw exponential growth.
Speaker 2:I was able then to tap into national advertisers that are much less persnickety than local advertisers who get afraid of those kind of things. And that kinda just opened the Shannon Joy show up to the full scale world of podcasting. So I exited broadcast. Even though I love to go back onto broadcast, I love to go onto local radio again if I could. But right now, you know, the show is is a Shannon Joy show produced by Joy Media, which is my independent production company.
Speaker 2:I'm a small little engine that could. It is you know, we're mean and we're lean here, but the benefit to being completely independent is that I really can say whatever the heck I want. I there are no rules. There's no and again, to your point in the beginning, there's always influence, and there are influence campaigns. And, you know, I think we all need to understand how easily influenced we are.
Speaker 2:And if you don't have that armor up every day, which I do, I mean, I'm always kind of checking myself if I can, but it really is a beautiful place to be. It's been a hard, hard path, the harder path than just, you know, getting picked up by Fox News or going to one of the big networks and and doing it that way because there are no rules. But today, I am so glad that I did it this way because it feels like the most honest way to meet my audience every day. We're live, so I'm always in, you know, interacting with them. I get things wrong.
Speaker 2:I get things right. They don't agree with me all the time, but what we put out every day, what I try to put out every day is something that is very genuine and very real and acknowledging what the what the American experience is right now for people. And I think that we've been betrayed by both the political parties. I think they're two side of the two sides of the same coin. After ten years of analysis, that's my takeaway that, you know, it's this nice little kabuki dance, but they're working for the same people.
Speaker 2:And, you know, that has made me controversial, especially in conservative circles and completely, you know, off the map and left wing. I mean, they don't even there's just nothing there. But I think, Seth, that this is where this is the future. I think more and more Americans are beginning to see that independence emancipating from the two party political system is is a very important first step in regaining our constitutional republic, which is at risk, at grave risk, I believe. Long answer to a short question.
Speaker 1:That's okay. That's okay. You're a professional speaker. So case in point. Yeah.
Speaker 1:So I'll on a few things. One is that yeah. I I like how you get to be intellectually honest. Right? And and not everyone is.
Speaker 1:I mean and I and I I think that you see it, and I see it when you're in the belly of the beast or when you're behind the scenes. Like, I can I don't publicly do these things, because I I don't believe in publicly kinda shaming certain people or pointing them out for particular reasons? But there's a lot I think a a lot of the major influencers are absolutely just controlled opposition. Like, you know, like, the the big even even some of the smaller ones too. Right?
Speaker 1:You sort of realize there's these there are these networks, and there are these these control mechanisms, and it just is what it is. And, you know, I think that it's it's very important what we're doing, having these conversations. And and I did see I did see funny enough, was actually one of probably the most, kind of weird and suspicious interviews was Charlie Kirk and Gavin Newsom. It's like, okay. There's a weird thing.
Speaker 1:Like, there's a strange thing. But one thing that I I really agreed with that Charlie Kirk had said is that, the reason they're talking about actually the reason why there's there's actually not that many successful liberal podcasts. And what Charlie was telling you know, they're kinda going back and forth on is that what Charlie said is, no. Like, this is the arena. Right?
Speaker 1:You have to be able to defend your ideas and talk through your ideas in an unscripted manner based upon your own the truth that you've kind of discovered. And he was saying that it it's a it's he he actually referred to it as more of a masculine thing, which actually I'd I'd agree to a certain a certain kind of point is that, you know, I'm sure you're used to it. If your ideas differ, you have to come out swinging. You have to come out you can't come out and be like, well, here's my idea. Like, you know, you're you're saying, look.
Speaker 1:This is what I'm seeing. And so I think that it does bring about an intellectual honesty, but it's also difficult because I think there's a lot of things that I look back at, say, two years ago or three years ago that I believed, and now I'm like, I don't really think that anymore. And I've learned more about that. I've kind of learned beyond it. But, you know, I I do wanna I wanna hone in on this word of technocracy, because I think that as I've been scanning the field of potential threats.
Speaker 1:You know, going going back into COVID and seeing, okay, you know, digital IDs and vaccine passports and, you know, these two different things that were happening and unfolding and then looking at potential food shortages. And there's all these there are all these different threats. And looking at, obviously, the the the coup of twenty twenty, right, the overthrow of the election and and, you know, the the Biden administration coming in and who's really running things and, you know, Obama and all that. But then looking at where we are right now, I I genuinely believe that the the existential threat, the greatest threat that humanity faces, is an AI driven technocracy. And it's and and and, you know, getting into Trump.
Speaker 1:Love Trump or hate Trump. It doesn't really matter. If you're just looking at the policies, what we're seeing is that he is laying the groundwork to greatly advance this AI state. Right? If you look at the deals with Palantir, you look at the data centers, you look at him bringing out Larry Ellison and Project Stargate, and you look at, you know, even how the the Silicon Valley executives are being, you know, kind of promoted into the military.
Speaker 1:Right? There's all these different things that are very, very strange, but I wanna see get your perspective because I look at you as you know, you're not a Whitney Webb or, a Katherine Austin Fitz. Right? But, you know, you're you're the person that helps tell their stories. You bring them on, and you interview them.
Speaker 1:And in my perception of you is that you're like this awesome mom that refused to bow down to the mandates, like, know, became such a thorn in the side of the deep state throughout that, and and you're on this journey. And now you're you're you've got a strong voice, and you're using it to, I think, to speak what you think needs to be spoken, which I have a lot of respect for.
Speaker 2:But I appreciate it.
Speaker 1:I wanna get your perspective. Because sometimes when you talk to experts, like, you know, that sometimes they they they can complicate things so much. That's why I I really enjoy talking to podcasters, because part of what we have to be able to do is distill information and take, you know, what could be a four hour Katherine Austin Fitz interview and maybe summarize it into, like, a, like, a twenty minute thing that's easy to understand for our friends and family. Like, what does that mean? What's technocracy?
Speaker 1:Right? So from your perspective, what is technocracy? What do you if a technocratic state takes hold in America and around the world, what does that look like? Why is this a threat to us?
Speaker 2:That's a great question. And, yes, about being a podcaster and distilling information, I think that's where my copywriting days. I used to work I I was in billboards too, and I would have to take, like, a whole company and put it on a 10 word billboard.
Speaker 1:So I I did the same thing. I I used to be in advertising. I used to design
Speaker 2:Right. Right.
Speaker 1:You know, a quarter page newsprint ad. It's like, how am I possibly gonna tell the story of this business in seven words?
Speaker 2:It's so true. And so I'm constantly doing that. So I love I love that example. And you're right. I have had I have hosted, I would say, probably the world's foremost experts on technocracy on the Shannon Joy Show multiple times.
Speaker 2:We've hosted Catherine Austin Fitz, Patrick Wood, if your audience is looking for great sources. His his website is technocracy.news, and Patrick is likely the foremost expert in the world. We've talked to Aaron Day, we've had Courtney Turner on the program, and this has been an area of study and also a topic for the Shannon Joy Show, really for the past, I'd say eighteen to twenty four months. And the best I can tell you with technocracy, I think the most important takeaway for the audience to understand is it is not about technology. It is not about liking or disliking technology, liking or disliking AI, rejecting it whole cloth and becoming Amish or Mennonite.
Speaker 2:That's not what it's about. Technocracy is an ideology, and it is the most evil and demonic ideology I have ever studied in my life. I love history. I have studied fascism, communism, socialism, Marxism. I have, you know, studied the cultural revolution under Mao, what happened with The USSR and the Russian revolution.
Speaker 2:I mean, these are all areas of study. And I have never in my life seen an ideology more evil and demonic and terrifying than technology or technocracy. And essentially, this ideology believes, I think at its core, if you go high up the ranks, that technology, science, the science, will be able to solve every human problem. So every problem in our human physical world can be solved if only an elite group of technocrats, scientists, elites, oligarchs are able to seize the entirety, every resource on the planet, every body of water, every landmass, every human, tokenize it, put it into a digital counterpart. Once they're able to control everything through mass surveillance and the storage of data, then conditioning people, their behaviors, and their thinking through that collection of data, then we will enter into a twenty first century utopia.
Speaker 2:They believe that they can even address the problem of human death, and that is through transhumanism. Many of them believe that if they are allowed free rein, they can use human experimentation. That is one of the more disturbing aspects of some of the bills and the legislation that has been passed by president Trump, opening up the door to human experimentation and allowing for the expansion of that, they believe that they can can solve the problem of of, you know, death and and essentially live forever. So this is a godless. I see the architects.
Speaker 2:I mean, this was invented. Technocracy It was actually political party. It was invented in the nineteen thirties, interestingly enough, by Elon Musk's grandfather. He was the Canadian leader of the technocracy party, and that was essentially the ideology at that time. They did not have the technology.
Speaker 2:Now they believe that through technological advances in the past ten to fifteen years, they are now ready to erect the 10,000 databases, attach a nuclear power plant to each one of them, control human procreation, human existence, dispose of humans that they don't need, keep the humans that they do need, replace the rest with machines, and then they will all live in their elite, all, you know, utopia. And that really, I mean, these people are like madmen. I mean, when you when you distill it down, this is this is a class of people, I think, who are at war with natural God and God's natural creation. And so they believe they can perfect it, that they are gods themselves. And there is absolutely no consideration whatsoever for the human being, for the human spirit, for the soul, for your beliefs, there are no freedoms, no protection of freedoms.
Speaker 2:There's no God given natural right. You are a commodity to be used and and disposed of, and also traded. They also through biometric surveillance, which Bobby Kennedy Jr. Made in a statement in front of Congress just a couple weeks ago, that his mission at HHS is to have every American on a wearable that is bio surveillance potentially within four years, a device. Right?
Speaker 2:So when they begin to tokenize the actual human being, that is when they can put they can place a value on every human being based on whatever it is, and you could be traded on the free market. They tag everything. Every blade of of grass is tokenized. Every every landmass is tokenized. And then it becomes about the the the acquisition of of energy and the acquisition of of, you know, these physical elements and and, you know, owning everything.
Speaker 2:So it's ownership of everything. They come in all shapes and sizes and flavors. And there is certainly know, what many of the experts that I've had on my show have come to to understand is that these technocrats have really you can go back to the tech bros. You can go back to Peter Thiel, you know, ten, fifteen years ago. They have managed to use the left, right, Galen dialectic type of infiltration of both parties.
Speaker 2:So there is a left wing version of the technocracy and a right wing version of the technocracy. I think that Peter Thiel, JD Vance, Elon Musk, these technocrats have absolutely purchased this president. I don't believe Donald Trump I think he knows what's going on. I don't think he cares. I think he's made his deal.
Speaker 2:He became a a billionaire 10 times over in the past six months. New York Times did a deep dive on the expansion of his fortune over the past six months and through the rug pulls, his crypto, his meme coins, Melania coins, all of those that that deal making, He has become a multibillionaire in the past six months. Palantir, which is Peter Thiel's corporation. Peter Peter Thiel was the main backer of Donald Trump, pushed him over the edge for with with the election. Palantir has risen, I believe, 65 in valuation over the past six months.
Speaker 2:In addition to a full scale takeover of the entirety of our federal government. And I'll shut up in just a minute, but I just wanna reiterate what what you mentioned, just some of the things. I mean, on day one or two of Trump's administration, he, you you know, wrote the emergency declaration on energy. That opens the door to thousands of massive databases across the country in your backyard. You have the Musk coup de doge where Donald Trump opened up the treasury.
Speaker 2:He opened up multiple bureaucracies to Elon Musk to go in with his team of technologists and upload potentially trillions of dollars worth of data, private data on American citizens to their cloud servers. So Elon has that now, very powerful positioning for him. You have the build back better bill, which has shackled the states and banned states and localities and judges from controlling any type of expansion of AI for ten years that was built into the big beautiful bill. You have the passage of the genius act, also the stable act and the clarity act. These are securing and creating a full scale digital currency that is programmable, confiscatable, trackable, traceable, can be turned on and off and used to control people's purchases.
Speaker 2:You have Donald Trump ready with another executive order to open up every American's four zero one k retirement to private equity, shady private equity, and also cryptocurrencies and Bitcoin. That's coming down the pipe. We also have multi multiple executive orders, the AI action plan, which is terrifying if you read it. And this has all happened in less than six months. It is breathtaking.
Speaker 2:It dwarfs anything that we saw from the Biden administration. And quite frankly, it could not have happened if it weren't for Trump. Because I do believe that right now the right and the medical freedom movement are anesthetized. They believe that Trump is their guy, that he will protect them. And so their defenses are down, and they don't realize what has happened.
Speaker 2:But what he has done, I mean, it is all hands on deck. We are going to have people do not realize how their life is going to change. The entire AI, I mean, the government being run by artificial intelligence, it's it boggles the mind how this can go wrong. And I don't think people even realize the size and the scope of this and how this is gonna impact their daily life and the lives of their children. So I to me, this is the most important topic in the country today, and very few venues are talking about it in any real meaningful way.
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Speaker 1:So a lot to unpack there. I wanna I wanna comment on a few things. Actually, I I'm I'm I'm I'm seeing things exactly how you're seeing them, and I'm I'm seeing the same threat. And I'm also seeing that not a lot of people are are talking about it. Not a lot of you have like, of course, you've got, you know, Derrick Bros, which I'm not sure if you've interviewed him.
Speaker 1:He's a great guy. I've had him on before. Great. Yeah. You you know, you have some people that are out there kinda warning about this, but you're not gonna go on to Fox News or, you know, Charlie Kirk or, you know, some of these you know, the really prominent or anything on Daily Wire and have them give you the breakdown of all this.
Speaker 1:Right? And I wanna just comment on one thing you said because it's very interesting because similar to you, I've also studied a lot of the evils of mankind, especially especially communism, socialism, and and looking at what happened, whether it was the, you know, Mao's the Red Famine, Pol Pot in Cambodia, you know, the the various know, the Holodomor, all these different instances where you've seen millions of innocent people destroyed by what oftentimes would would lead up to one person who was a jealous, evil, and, like, just completely demon of a person, whether it was Mao Zedong or these other leaders. And you mentioned how technocracy is the most evil ideology you've seen. Right? And what came to mind was that communism as I think communism, I think, kinda sitting aside technocracy, communism is pure evil.
Speaker 1:Right? Look at it as, like, Satan's political branch is communism.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah. And and I think communism has claimed the lives of, you know, upwards of a 100,000,000 people. Right? And and there's you know, without getting into the details of the figures. The thing is, though, communism would never be able to turn into a global system.
Speaker 1:There'd be too much revolution. There'd be too many uprisings. They wouldn't be able to sustain it. The only way to create a one world order, to create a true prison planet, is through technocracy. Like, that's just it's the only way, and that's that's what makes sense to me when you talk about this.
Speaker 1:It's like, yeah, I I can see why with the knowledge you have of history, you would still come out and say that technocracy is the most evil ideology. And because Yeah. I can see it. It is. It's like nothing else could enslave the entire planet.
Speaker 1:Right?
Speaker 2:And there's another element to that, though, as well. At least with communism and socialism, they acknowledge, it may be a lie, but it is the premise is built on the little guy being taken care of, providing for all. It it accepts humanity as something valuable, even though they lie about it and they, of
Speaker 1:course, eat it. They kill all the humanity. But yes. Yeah.
Speaker 2:But but at at the very least, they pretend to actually care about the little guy and care about the human. The technocrat has absolutely no use use for human. It it they are they have no problem wiping out large swath. They look at humans as herds, as a herd of cattle, a herd of pigs. We are, there's nothing more than just the utility of the human.
Speaker 2:And whether or not they need us or don't need us, if we can be swapped out with machines and then off, they just don't care. It may
Speaker 1:point. Be Actually, that's a good point. Even looking at if they can create a matrix type system, which I'm sure you've seen the Microsoft patent O 60606. Right? The patent to harvest, you know, to harvest energy from people for cryptocurrency mining.
Speaker 1:It's like, does it does it not get any more obvious than that?
Speaker 2:I mean, sometimes I think they do that to mess with us a little bit.
Speaker 1:Oh, I I I know they do. But but one well, I'll say one thing also I I wanted to to hone in on was the belief actually, I pulled up. K? This is an article. This is from 2022.
Speaker 1:Jared Kushner, obviously, has a strong influence on Trump, part of the family, says he's been trying to keep his body in shape because he might one day become immortal. And he continues, quote, I think that there's a good probability that my generation is, hopefully, the advances in science, is either the is the first generation to live forever. And to me, like, that right there is the pinnacle of the technocratic thinking, is that through technology, God is not needed. Because if you were to tell me right now, if you were to say, Seth, if you clap five times, I will grant you immortality. I would say, no way in hell.
Speaker 1:Like, it's like, why would I wanna stay in this plane of delusion and suffering when I know that there are boundless realms of of divinity and countless numbers of divine beings and angels and and the God above waiting for me to return home. And it's like the only way the only way I could possibly buy into the idea of wanting to become an immortal here on Earth is if I didn't believe in heaven and if I didn't believe in God, and if I believed that I could that my physical body here could become God. And to me, that's the that's the center of the technocratic agenda. It's like
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah.
Speaker 1:It's at all cost. Right? Even the preservation of resources. Why do the Guidestones talk about having a population of 500,000,000? Right?
Speaker 1:Because they wanna make sure that, well, if if they're planning their lives that are gonna be infinitely long, they gotta make sure that us stupid humans, the cattle, aren't gonna eat up all the resources and take away from their opportunity to have a beautiful life here on Earth. But, like, fundamentally, it's it's it's born out of a complete either hatred or nonbelief in God or something like that that leads a person to believe that their objective would be to live forever in this human body.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. I mean, it really is. I have said often, I think many of the architects of this ideology, they're crazy. I mean, they are the God complex. They believe they can become Gods Harari,
Speaker 1:go listen to some of his stuff.
Speaker 2:Exactly. And yes, and who's the other one? Yarvin is another one. And Yarvin heavily influences the conservative right. So he's been platformed on the conservative right.
Speaker 2:You can kinda see the left hand, right hand mechanism playing here. But no, this is an anti God, anti humanity, anti nature, hostile movement to this creation. So if you're a believer, and I am, I've been a born again Christian since forty two years. So I accepted Jesus when I was five years old. I mean and then again when I was in my thirties, but I'm a student of the bible.
Speaker 2:I've read it back and forth chronologically, multiple versions. It is the antithesis of the Judeo Christian ethic. It is openly hostile to any type of belief system or belief in a natural god. And and it's it's again, frankly, it's it's it's horrifying. It's horrifying.
Speaker 2:Now I agree with you that I mean, the answer here, we we need to do business as humans with technology and decide what we like, what we don't like, what we wanna keep, what we wanna throw away. Enough of this being afraid of them. I think that, first of all, these people are crazy. They're lunatics. The other benefit we have is that right now, they think they can they literally think that they can, like, take over the world.
Speaker 2:They think that they can and they believe it. Okay? So I think that they have an elevated sense of self, but they're also in warring factions. Right? They also Important.
Speaker 2:Rip each other. Yes. They'll rip each other's face off to try to achieve this world domination that they're going for. And by the way, they're not they don't hide this. They don't hide it.
Speaker 2:It's in everything. The United States Of the the recent executive order signed by Trump, I mean, they are they are full scale trying to push this out to the rest of the world very, very quickly. So there is an AI race here, but there's gonna be pushback. But that is when we as humans have the opportunity to throw wrenches into their plans. And and, again, I don't think the technology is as as sophisticated as they lead us to believe it is and as it actually is.
Speaker 2:So, you know, many times people will look at this conversation about technocracy, and they will freak out and check out stick their head in the sand because they're like, there's no way. How are we gonna fight this? They're too, you know, too smart. I don't think that they have nearly the amount of technology that they need to to achieve this, but they sure as hell will kill as many humans as they need to in order to get to it. So in the process of going through this, can be very dangerous to humans.
Speaker 2:And so choices are gonna have to be made. Yeah. I how is this gonna roll out? I don't know. Like, I I keep trying to game plan it.
Speaker 2:What's gonna come first? When is the choice gonna come? When am I gonna have to make that choice to accept the digital ID or to accept the digital currency? Or how are they gonna get us into this? What are gonna be the escape routes?
Speaker 2:And what I learned from COVID as a Christian when everything that seemed really black and I just I'm like, what is happening here? What is coming next? What are they gonna do? Even when it came down to choosing the vaccine or rejecting the vaccine, yes, there were, and we rejected it. And there were consequences for standing up against the lockdowns and rejecting the vaccines.
Speaker 2:But what I realized is that once we were in process, God always created pathways and escape routes. And it doesn't mean that they're easy, but they're there, and he will show. He'll show them to us when the time comes because they're going forward with this. This is this is in place. Trump is responsible.
Speaker 2:He ushered this in. I call him the Trojan horse. I really wish that more people in conservative media would just rip the Band Aid off already and fully oppose him because this guy, it's it's there's nothing good. From the economy to a reckoning for COVID nineteen to the rollout of new mRNA technologies, He's all in on the mRNA and the shots to this worst aspect of his presidency, which is just handing our country over to the technocrats just on a silver platter, and he's making billions off it. So he's got he's he's he's already in Dubai, in Trump, Dubai.
Speaker 2:He doesn't care. He's playing his role. He'll be out in less than three years, and then it'll be Elon or JD Vance. Right? Because that's the new paradigm being set up.
Speaker 2:Elon's gonna be cast as, like, the new independent and then JD Vance, but they're both technocrats. Right? So we've just gotta wake up and really put on our spiritual armor and understand we're only halfway through this. COVID was just the beginning. We didn't win anything.
Speaker 2:There was no win with Donald Trump. I haven't found a single win out of his administration according to my analysis. It's just my opinion. But and we need to get ready because we're gonna have to go to battle again. They're they're gonna push this.
Speaker 2:They're gonna use coercive measures, manipulation, force. Who knows? But we just fight need to find our local bottom up communities, keep these communities get together, and just get ready to rage. And Catherine asked, I mean, there are great ideas out there. We can win this for sure.
Speaker 2:But right now, we just need more people to know about it.
Speaker 1:So there's a few things I wanna comment on. You know, I wanna definitely get to the community aspect, which I think is very important. But, you know, I do I I agree with you that I do think that they're ramping up. My my sense is that there's some sort of event that they that they that they believe to be coming, like, sometime between, like, 2027 and 2030, whether it's a magnetic shift or there's something big. Like because I and I did an interview recently with, Scott Casterson and Bards FM, and we were both talking about that, and and he made a good point.
Speaker 1:He's like, why don't they why why don't they just wait till 2050? Like, why are they all of a sudden now in the past, say, four or five years coming out so blatantly and so frantically to try to advance this agenda? Because it's it's so, like, just in your face now. You can see it. But if they were to just slow roll this out, like, by 2050, people would just be lining up.
Speaker 1:Like, hey. Can I get my QR code, you know, QR code, vaccine, passport, scanning code so I can access the VR lounge? Right? Like, people will just be lining up for it. Yeah.
Speaker 1:So I think that there is something that there's some sort of timeline that's affecting and it's caused them to speed up, and and I don't believe they will be able to get their system in place before they need to. Like, I think that's why they're freaking out, and and there's this level of franticness. Because I but I also think that a lot of people are rejecting their this system. And and that's the thing. It's interesting because, actually, I just read this morning an article in the Epoch Times.
Speaker 1:We get the physical paper, the Epoch Times, and I was, know, sitting down oh, good. Yeah. So was sitting down to have my egg egg egg on toast, egg on sourdough, and reading the paper. And there's an article, written, and it was about how vinyl record sales are surging and how, like, more than half I think it's close to half of all vinyl record sales, though, are to people 35. And they're talking so the author, was talking about how there's even with the people 35, there's this massive movement to go back to the real.
Speaker 1:And even, like, you know, people asking, like, why do you listen to Vinyl when you've got your Spotify? And, like, I like I like that it feels real. So, like, what that shows me is that there is a movement of rejecting technocracy that we're not even aware of. It's not it's not just the the the the conservatives that have really woken up to to the agenda, and they're rejecting because they didn't see what it is. There's actually this whole other movement of people that are following, I believe, following some sort of intuition that's telling them, don't keep going down that path of technology.
Speaker 1:Go back to what's real. And it was talking there's these other these other indicators in this article about how there's this resurgence in small local bookstores, and people you know, like, even, like, these TikTok videos of people talking about how they just go on walks without any technology. That it's like a walk and think. Right? So people are going back to the the origins, which I think is really, really important.
Speaker 1:And so I wanted to I know that you've got a a hard cut off in about eight minutes. I wanna be mindful of that. But as we're wrapping up here, you're smiling. So this isn't all doom and gloom. It's not we're screwed.
Speaker 1:We've been sold out. No. It's actually the path, and this is what I really believe, is I believe that the ladder to heaven that we've been given, the ladder to protect humanity from Satan, Obviously, it's it's, you know, faith and belief in those things, but it's returning back to our culture and returning back to what it means to be human, because that's what it is. It's rejecting all this stuff. It's not about fighting it.
Speaker 1:It's about just saying, I'm not I'm not gonna participate. Like, I'm gonna move out into the country, and I'm gonna raise my chickens, and I'm gonna do my thing. I'm gonna homeschool my kids. I'm gonna do this. You know, these are all things that we're doing, and I'm rejecting your system.
Speaker 1:And I wanna go back to what it means to be a moral human being with a strong family unit and a strong sense of community. And so I wanted to get your thoughts on how do we because you're so aware of all these all the kind of, you know, mechanisms of this control grid and everything, what is your advice for people that had this thought of how do we beat this? Right? What do what do you tell people?
Speaker 2:So that's a great question. And I struggle with these things myself. Industry, you and I are required to be interfacing with screens.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Case in point, I think I've got 15 monitors, like, all over here. I think, you know, very advanced And tech
Speaker 2:so I've really grappled with that. And I'm glad that she like, I'm glad that the question at the end of the interview, because it's like the most important one. Right? The first thing, and I, you know, I said this to my audience ten years ago, twelve years ago, as you dive into the rabbit hole and you go down and you realize the nature of evil, the nature of the evil and their, I mean, just frightening amount of power. Very often the first knee jerk reaction is to be afraid and to be fearful and to think, wow, they're watching me, or I better be quiet, or I better not, you know.
Speaker 2:And first and foremost, for me exercising this, know, the rejection of fear is a daily practice through prayer and, you know, being in my Bible, remembering who is the Almighty, who is the powerful. We are not permitted to be fearful. He tells us I think it's 03/1965 times in the Bible in a variety of different ways. Do not fear. And it's not a a suggestion.
Speaker 2:It is do not fear. So for me, I just banish it. I don't allow it ever to penetrate. And so if you start there and you and you just make that decision to not be afraid, that's all it is. It's just a decision.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna be afraid or I'm not gonna be afraid. And figure, you know, I could walk out the door and get hit by a bus and then it's over. So why do I worry about this? I just shouldn't. Right?
Speaker 2:And then, you know, for me, I got really into the screens and the phone. And and I made decisions for myself, right, to to control the amount of technology that I use to structure it and to make sure and I use that really on, like, the beginning of my day and the end of my day. Like, so when I wake up in the morning, I don't I have a a routine. I wake up. I do not look at my phone.
Speaker 2:I lay in bed for a little while, and I kind of think about the day and I think about God. I go down. I have my hydration. I have my collagen. I do my pushups and my sit ups, my daily devotions and my bible, and all of the things.
Speaker 2:Right? And it's usually about two hours before I even look at a screen. And that has made me so happy. I mean, that has changed my life. I started doing that about a year ago.
Speaker 2:Getting outside into nature, being with humans, doing human things, like you said, reading physical books, reading a physical paper. And then I go and I choose the technology. So for my job, I have to have certain types of technology. I'll get in, I use it, I allow myself a certain amount of time on social media, and then I try to like keep it to that. And then at the end of the night, I I try to do the same thing.
Speaker 2:You know, before I go to bed, it's quiet time. I don't look at my devices. I read my book. And so I just kinda I I could creep in on the end of the day and try to reduce the amount of screen time. And I've done that with my family.
Speaker 2:Like, we've had lots of talks about that. I have three older kids, a 19 year old, a 17 year old, and a 13 year old. And the most amazing thing, they have technology, but they talk all the time about how it controls their thinking, how they're propagandized, how it doesn't make me feel good. I love that. That's like a real human response.
Speaker 2:And I think that to your point is why they're rushing this so fast because that's the tell. They know. Because we the truth of the matter is we don't have to have all of this technology. We don't have to be run by AI. We don't you know, we can take the things that we want and reject the things that we don't want.
Speaker 2:And if people wanna go become trans humans and inject themselves with whatever, well, good luck to you, buddy. Go for it. But there's no reason we all have to do this. And that, you know, that's the danger of what Trump is doing. Like, through these governmental actions, he is going to make he is making it much, much harder for us to reject it.
Speaker 2:Because how are you gonna pay your how are you gonna pay your pay your taxes? You gotta go into the portal. How are you gonna get your Social Security test check check? You gotta go into the portal. Gotta accept the digital ID or the digital currency.
Speaker 2:So those are gonna be all the ways that they're gonna try to coerce us into this system, and we're just gonna have to find ways to escape. But, you know, nature, it it it's just the truth. I'm happy in nature. I'm unhappy on screens. I don't let, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2:So let's remember that. Makes a lot of sense. And so that's what I do in my own life. Also understanding that the influence campaigns, the propaganda, highly sophisticated. And so they've been gathering data on us digitally through Facebook and through Twitter, through Google, our email accounts.
Speaker 2:And so you have to understand, I've taught this to my kids, that there is a a profile. You have a digital avatar that exists in the digital space, in the cloud. And that is it's not you. Alright? But it is a synthetic version of you, and it has all sorts of data points.
Speaker 2:They know what makes you happy, what makes you sad, what pushes your buttons, what makes you angry, the shows you like to watch, your favorite colors. They they've built all of that. And so you have to understand, and this goes back to the first thing that we talked about, about how we're influenced and how we can be influenced, that that every day, these screens are trying to change the way we think, change the way we feel. And so when I wake up and I go on to social media, I'll say, hello, Facebook. How do you want me to feel today?
Speaker 2:Hello, Twitter. How does your algorithm want me to feel today? Like, I go in with armor on every time I'm in a digital space. And if you can train yourself to do that knowing that what is real is real, what is digital is fake. It's synthetic.
Speaker 2:Not what the conversation that you and I are having because we're two humans interfacing, but a lot of what we see on social media, it's it's controlled by bots and trolls, and they know how to push your buttons. Right? So those are the things that I do. And, yes, I'm very optimistic. Our god wins.
Speaker 2:This is a tale as old as time. This is, you know, four thousand years of human history. It's always megalomaniac, control freak lunatics with god complexes thinking they can run the world. And, you know, we can protect ourselves when we understand that history. But as always, God wins.
Speaker 2:Always. You know? And that's kind of what I lead with.
Speaker 1:And that's all you need. Like, that there there we go. There's the the pinnacle to our discussion. God wins. Shannon, where can people watch and listen to your show?
Speaker 2:Sure. Thank you. I'm live every day, ninety minutes, Monday through Friday. I'm on the live show is on Rumble simulcast on Rumble, Twitter, Substack, Facebook, YouTube, and a couple other platforms. And then the show is available via audio on every single podcast platform.
Speaker 2:So if
Speaker 1:I Apple Podcasts, iTunes, Spotify. You're kinda same as me. It's like, the the main place, if you like the video, it's always gonna be on Rumble. Maybe 10% of the content's on YouTube because I'm know, this this conversation, won't I won't even bother with YouTube because we said vaccine. Right?
Speaker 2:No. No. They just changed the algorithm, actually. Try YouTube because Really? I'm free as a bird.
Speaker 2:I just started platforming to YouTube. They it's hard to be monetized, but they're not censoring anymore. It's, it's amazing. Go for it. Like, now
Speaker 1:I'll try it. I've got a bunch of strikes, so we'll see. But, anyway, it's been such a a pleasure speaking to you. Thank you for doing what you're doing, and I encourage people to check out your show, support you, follow you. Do you know, you're you're a very important voice.
Speaker 1:And, yeah, thank you. Thank you for having the conversation. I I really enjoyed it. So I hope that you enjoyed that conversation. I hope that my what I talked about in the introduction and saying that, yes, we are gonna have solution.
Speaker 1:Solutions to this is not just all doom and gloom was true, and and I really do have a lot of hope. I honestly do. I I have a lot of hope for the future, but a lot of my hope outside of just my own faith comes in the fact that I'm doing very real things to protect myself and my family. And one of the biggest things, honestly, and I I talk about this very carefully because there's I wanna be very just cognizant of of the the intention behind it, but one of the most important things that you can do is to have some of your finances and some of your wealth outside of the systems that they control. Because if you start looking at the technocratic system, one of the central aspects of how that system can control us is through the financial system.
Speaker 1:It's through these stablecoins that are just, you know, rebranded central bank digital currency. That's how they can do it. They can seize our finances. They can seize our bank accounts. We're seeing it already.
Speaker 1:You're seeing prominent voices being deplatformed or debanked, etcetera. And and this is honestly why I'm such a big believer in this right here. Right? This this is a 10 ounce bar of pure silver. There is no digital I mean, aside from now I'm putting it on a video, so now the government knows I have this bar of silver, but there's no digital tracing of this.
Speaker 1:Right? If I wanna go bury it in my backyard, if I wanna, you know, go throw it in a bag in the bottom of a pond, you know, on the property, no one knows it's there. Now maybe they've got, like, metal detecting drones, and eventually they're gonna be looking for silver and, you know, gold. Who knows at that point? I guess you'll have to have your your drone shotgun out.
Speaker 1:But, anyway, I I just I I I'm being very dishonest with you and genuine in saying that I highly recommend that you have just at least some of you I'm not look. I'm not saying go sell everything and and empty out your four zero one k and put it all in into precious metals. Don't do that. Right? Because they're a different form of of wealth preservation.
Speaker 1:It's not really an investment. It's not because you're gonna get some return. Though, you know, honestly, I think I bought this silver at 22 an ounce. I think so this bar was maybe, you know, $2.50 at the time. It's now close to $40 an ounce.
Speaker 1:So it's it's now close to probably over $400. So there is there is absolutely an opportunity to, you know, generate, you know, kind of more wealth through these precious metals. However, it's more about an insurance policy. It's about the point being at a place where I can say, look. If they seize the accounts, if they shut me down, if they debank me, I've got something that's backed up.
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