The Few Will Hunt Show

Choosing the organic path isn’t just about health*—*it’s about purpose and integrity. In this episode, Joey and Drew sit down with Ali Capra and Nick Koumalatsos, authors, entrepreneurs, and jiu-jitsu practitioners who co-own Johnny Slicks Inc., a company dedicated to creating American-made, all-organic grooming products. They discuss their commitment to pure ingredients, the challenges of resisting outsourced production, and the value of building a brand that prioritizes people over profit. Hear their thoughts on balancing business with family, raising kids in a tech-driven world, and the impact of jiu-jitsu on personal growth. Tune in for an inspiring conversation on creating more than we consume and taking back ownership of our health and choices.

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Creators & Guests

Host
Drew Beech
Drew Beech is an entrepreneur and cofounder of Few Will Hunt. He spent several years in the sales and marketing industry, grossing over several million dollars in sales. But his love for the entrepreneurial journey and desire to escape the rate race started with his personal training business in college. Today, Drew leads the Few Will Hunt community alongside his cousin and cofounder, Joey in their mission to restore the dignity of hard work through the highest-quality American-made apparel.
Host
Joey Bowen
Joey Bowen is co-founder of Few Will Hunt.

What is The Few Will Hunt Show?

The official podcast of Few Will Hunt, the world’s largest community of hard workers and 100% Made in the USA apparel brand. We’re on a mission to restore the dignity of hard work and help others live The Rules of The Few to strengthen ourselves and strengthen society. No entitlement or excuses are allowed here.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Only you. If you've transcended from version 1.0 to 2.0 to 3.0, whatever that is for you, you are uniquely qualified to help the version 1.0 of you. And I believe that you have a requirement to do so.

Joey Bowen:

To duty. That's a

Drew Beech:

great point. Responsibility.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Yeah. I think that's yet if if you've transpired to another level, you you do have a responsibility to help the ones that say, hey. I'm I'm in. Welcome to the Fuel Hunt Show.

Joey Bowen:

What's going on, Eagles? Welcome to the Fuel Hunt Show. I'm Joey. Drew and I today are joined by 2 people I really can't say enough about, Ali Capra and Nick Kamalatsu's authors, entrepreneurs, jujitsu practitioners, friends, overall badass humans. Welcome to the show.

Drew Beech:

Thanks, Scott. Where's the list end?

Ali Capra:

I could actually learn

Drew Beech:

more. There was more. There was more. Yeah.

Joey Bowen:

You know, throw a couple out there

Ali Capra:

out there.

Joey Bowen:

You're the

Drew Beech:

same as the service. Yeah.

Joey Bowen:

Throw them out. Throw them out. No. Seriously, welcome to HQ. It feels like it's been a long

Ali Capra:

time coming.

Ali Capra:

It's so

Nick Koumalatsos:

overdue. Yeah. Yeah. It's been a long time.

Joey Bowen:

Been a long time coming.

Drew Beech:

We're like those friends that, like, talk all the time. I'm Ali and I, especially, like, all the time via DMs, like and it's, like, oh, like, we just, like, never really hang out.

Ali Capra:

I feel like I know you pretty well.

Nick Koumalatsos:

You're the one that found them. Right? Like, years ago.

Ali Capra:

Okay.

Drew Beech:

Oh, really?

Nick Koumalatsos:

She she found you guys. And I

Ali Capra:

say found you guys found me, the algorithm. I got your ads and

Ali Capra:

then Oh, that's

Drew Beech:

what I tell people. Like, people ask me business advice all the time. I'm like, I'm telling you what, no one knows your customer better than Facebook knows your customer. We all we like, we how we feel about paying them or whatnot is what is Right.

Joey Bowen:

It's a different story.

Drew Beech:

They they got Zuck's got a good thing going

Nick Koumalatsos:

on. Yeah. But but I think it was, like, beef when you launched your guys' first shirt, because remember, it was just the community. You guys were just putting out the the message. Mhmm.

Ali Capra:

Right?

Nick Koumalatsos:

And then you accidentally turned into a accidentally turned into a business.

Joey Bowen:

They accidentally turned into a company. Yeah. Yeah. We just I did an episode of the show before this, and I I told our origin story

Ali Capra:

Yeah.

Joey Bowen:

A little bit. And that fact that, like, from 2017 to 2019, it was all community.

Drew Beech:

Yeah.

Joey Bowen:

Like, it wasn't until the community started asking for apparel that apparel came. And then it was like, company.

Nick Koumalatsos:

I tell people that because it's so much harder to go to to to reverse that.

Ali Capra:

Mhmm. I

Nick Koumalatsos:

tell young people that have ideas and, like, like, hey. It's a great idea. Who are you gonna sell to?

Joey Bowen:

Mhmm. Yeah. Do you

Nick Koumalatsos:

have a bunch of marketing money? No. So who are you gonna sell to?

Ali Capra:

Yeah. Mhmm.

Joey Bowen:

And who how are you gonna serve them?

Nick Koumalatsos:

How are you gonna make

Joey Bowen:

your lives better?

Nick Koumalatsos:

I say I. She started building out my brand and me on social media probably 14, really.

Ali Capra:

Mhmm. 10 years ago.

Drew Beech:

That's crazy that it's been that long. 4th. It feels like Yeah. Yeah. So 14th.

Drew Beech:

Just started.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Yeah. So 4 yeah. I I do still I just started. Following up.

Drew Beech:

Oh, damn. Like, they just started.

Nick Koumalatsos:

An overnight, an overnight 10 10 year success. Yeah. But we she started my social media in 2014, really, and then I didn't even sell a product until 2017. Yep. Like, what was, like, the first training manual.

Ali Capra:

Yeah.

Ali Capra:

And it was only because we were you know, I don't know if you know anything about the Agoge and everything, but he was getting hit up, like, so consistently in DMs, like, almost every single day. Like, I was going through his messages, like, I don't know what to do here. Every single person wants to know how to get ready for special operations Yeah.

Joey Bowen:

Or how

Ali Capra:

to get ready for the military. Yeah. Yeah. So he was like

Nick Koumalatsos:

So I hit up Josh, like, I think we gotta do

Joey Bowen:

something here.

Ali Capra:

Yeah. I think I think And they just

Drew Beech:

started writing

Ali Capra:

programs for that.

Joey Bowen:

Yeah. Yeah.

Drew Beech:

And that's how it started.

Joey Bowen:

That's how it started. That was it. Was that

Ali Capra:

that was

Nick Koumalatsos:

before your

Joey Bowen:

book? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was

Ali Capra:

before your book.

Joey Bowen:

Yeah. Yep.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Yep. Book came shortly after that, but, like, that's when, you know, we can get into all this, but Yep. That's when, things started to kinda roll.

Joey Bowen:

Gotcha. Yeah.

Ali Capra:

Military followers were, like, cons like, really

Nick Koumalatsos:

But I had a YouTube following it, and that's what I'm telling you.

Ali Capra:

Like, I

Nick Koumalatsos:

had a YouTube following, I had an Instagram following, I had a Facebook following, and I was just like like you guys are just putting out

Drew Beech:

the content.

Joey Bowen:

Provide value.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Yeah. Things that I we were doing. And, really, honestly, it was just showing what we were doing and and and work and whatnot Yep. And working for we were at that point, we're like, we had other clients. We were working for other people.

Ali Capra:

Yep.

Nick Koumalatsos:

And we're helping

Ali Capra:

fund that. Yeah.

Nick Koumalatsos:

We were helping build other other brands to do that. Yep. And and then all of a sudden, it was like, oh, but then we have to sell. So if you it's great that you have an idea, but unless you have an audience base, who are you gonna sell to?

Ali Capra:

Yeah.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Where's your customers?

Joey Bowen:

My my first question is, who are you gonna serve and how you're gonna serve them? Like, how are you gonna make their lives better? If you can't answer that question, you have no business with a product in your hands at this point. You know?

Drew Beech:

We we set out to build a community and we knew we wanted to do business and and provide, like, a life for our families this way. We just didn't know how, I guess. Yeah. It's like so then the question came to I was like, do we have a blog or a business? Which one is it?

Drew Beech:

And then I was like, oh, shit. Like, we gotta figure out a way to actually make money.

Joey Bowen:

Fortunately, after 2 years of all that community building

Ali Capra:

Yeah.

Joey Bowen:

Like, the community started to ask. So the universe you know what I mean? What was

Nick Koumalatsos:

the what was the first what was the first question? Like, what was the first thing that, like, they first asked that they really, really

Joey Bowen:

It was the pain tee. It was the pain tee. Yeah. Yeah. I think I'm pretty sure Yeah.

Joey Bowen:

Comfort is a slow death, prefer pain. We'd wear that on a t shirt. Like, I wanna wear that to the gym. That's when I first started.

Nick Koumalatsos:

How many like, because obviously, there just wasn't one person. You were like, hey. Let's make a t shirt.

Ali Capra:

Yeah. Yeah.

Joey Bowen:

Yeah. No. I mean, at that point, we did have a few t shirts that said, like, fuel hunt.

Drew Beech:

The painting was the covers that sort of was, like, our most popular one where people were asking. But, we had these shirts on the website, and Joe and I would make these amazing posts every day that we get crazy reactions, crazy

Joey Bowen:

Engagement.

Drew Beech:

Engagement. And, we're like, dude, why is someone buying our shirts? Like, what the hell? Like, we have great shirts.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Like, what?

Drew Beech:

And, we're like, dude, like, we realized we never asked anyone. We

Joey Bowen:

never asked.

Drew Beech:

We're all like, you ever hear Gary V's jab, jab, jab, right hook? Yep.

Ali Capra:

Slain on my neck.

Joey Bowen:

All jabs.

Nick Koumalatsos:

All jabs.

Joey Bowen:

All jabs. All that. We loved him. We were loving life.

Drew Beech:

We never asked him to buy anything.

Nick Koumalatsos:

I'm the jabbing machine. Really?

Drew Beech:

I think that's why we've built so much goodwill with our community and audience that because we

Ali Capra:

we even to this day, like

Joey Bowen:

We weren't concerned about it.

Drew Beech:

Yeah. We never were.

Joey Bowen:

And then when we sat when we step back and thought about it, we're like, there's no selling environment. We've never asked anybody. We've never told anybody that we have this great apparel and what we've Yeah. The the time and effort we've put behind it and its design.

Drew Beech:

So we ran 1 ad and so so so so

Nick Koumalatsos:

the painting so the painting, how many shirts can you say how many shirts you ordered that first round?

Ali Capra:

It

Joey Bowen:

was, like, 20.

Ali Capra:

Yeah. Probably like 24. 24. And they

Nick Koumalatsos:

all sort of

Drew Beech:

like, holy cow. What are we

Joey Bowen:

gonna do? Too is, like, we never cut corners from the very beginning with quality. So Yeah. We had, like, $2 margin on those tees. We were selling them for, like, 19.95 or something.

Nick Koumalatsos:

You know what

Joey Bowen:

I mean? Something crazy.

Drew Beech:

And we don't think we're like, dude, it's gonna be we're all we're it's gonna be so easy. Yeah.

Ali Capra:

But if

Drew Beech:

you would've if you would've

Nick Koumalatsos:

started no profit. If you would've started a t shirt business in, like Yeah. 2012. Yeah. Around that time.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Yep. Dude, moms were sick.

Drew Beech:

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Nick Koumalatsos:

When I first like, we were getting we were getting shirts for, like, good quality shirts.

Ali Capra:

750. Like,

Nick Koumalatsos:

$7.58 printed.

Joey Bowen:

Yeah. Printed. Those days are long gone.

Nick Koumalatsos:

No. They're long gone. Yeah.

Joey Bowen:

And Especially American Music.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Thanks. Yeah. People. People. People.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Yeah. I came from that

Drew Beech:

space of, like, doing just contract work for people like we do for you guys, like, printing your shirts.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Yeah.

Drew Beech:

And sometimes Brianna will send me, like, the prices for the, that's, like, sending invoice. And I'm like, what do you mean? Like, this is the this isn't the price. I I used

Ali Capra:

to do

Drew Beech:

it for $7. Like, right.

Ali Capra:

Why the

Drew Beech:

hell is it this price?

Joey Bowen:

Especially when you start getting into cut and sew onshore, it's like a whole whole another animal.

Drew Beech:

Oh, yeah.

Joey Bowen:

You know? It's a whole another animal.

Nick Koumalatsos:

So talk talking about that because, obviously, you know, Jay like, we're in the same world of American made. We have the same obviously, that's why we, like, linked up and

Ali Capra:

Yeah.

Nick Koumalatsos:

And and became friends. We're all kind of on this the same similar mission to to bring manufacturing back to the United States and and make, you know, dare I say, make America make America great again. Same. Right?

Drew Beech:

Our rating just went up.

Ali Capra:

Or we got canceled. Store. Same time. They went up, and

Nick Koumalatsos:

you gotta cancel. I feel

Drew Beech:

like our audience maybe may appreciate it more than they

Ali Capra:

do. Yeah.

Ali Capra:

Yeah. Well,

Joey Bowen:

I, quick aside, a couple weeks ago, I sent out an email actually in response to the hurricane and everything that was

Nick Koumalatsos:

going on. North Carolina.

Joey Bowen:

Yep.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Yeah.

Joey Bowen:

And, the subject of the email was America First.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Yeah.

Joey Bowen:

And I got I got some hate. Did you hear that? Now the majority of the community was was cool with it. I didn't say it in any Yeah. Apparently, that's been said before by by some unsavory individuals Yeah.

Ali Capra:

As well as

Drew Beech:

Unsafe.

Joey Bowen:

As as well as good people. There were a couple people that came out of the woodwork in our community. They're now gone, obviously.

Ali Capra:

Yeah.

Joey Bowen:

But there are people couple people that came out and You

Drew Beech:

got called some wild stuff.

Joey Bowen:

Wild stuff. I I got called a, a racist, a

Ali Capra:

I don't

Drew Beech:

have to say the one word over here.

Joey Bowen:

Yeah. I can't say that other word that I got called loser and some other all four of those things in one email. And the email was only 2 sentences, so figure that out. Anyway Wow. So maybe we walk around

Ali Capra:

with the shaved head and same shit.

Ali Capra:

Yeah. Yeah. Right.

Nick Koumalatsos:

I mean,

Drew Beech:

you probably get plenty with what you put up.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Honestly, I

Ali Capra:

It's it's gotten a

Ali Capra:

lot better.

Joey Bowen:

Maybe by the hour.

Ali Capra:

I think

Ali Capra:

they've seen themselves out.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Yeah. That's what I find with some I I like I kinda like when that happens. It's like a calling. Yeah.

Joey Bowen:

Yeah. You

Ali Capra:

get it when we run ads to, like, new customers. Oh,

Drew Beech:

yeah. He

Ali Capra:

gets, like

Ali Capra:

Yeah.

Ali Capra:

Like, warmonger and all this kind of shit.

Drew Beech:

You can't get you can't get love without hate, though.

Ali Capra:

That's the thing.

Joey Bowen:

That's the truth. Where I was going with it is we survived the America First subject line, so we're gonna survive make America great again. Okay. Your comment.

Ali Capra:

Sorry. Go ahead, sir.

Joey Bowen:

We're on that mission together.

Nick Koumalatsos:

I don't even know where I was going with that. But, basically, he was talking about

Ali Capra:

America made the brand, how we came together with that and going to Johnny 6.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Yeah. I don't know. That's that's that's I guess that's

Ali Capra:

where I was going.

Joey Bowen:

We're on the same

Nick Koumalatsos:

I think I know.

Ali Capra:

We're on

Joey Bowen:

the same mission.

Nick Koumalatsos:

We'll get back to it. Yeah.

Joey Bowen:

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we we we've been hitting on some entrepreneurship stuff. I would definitely wanna talk about that. And then, obviously, some jujitsu stuff, you know, all that.

Drew Beech:

To that point, that real quick on the Johnny Slicks thing, did you guys set out to make it in America? Or Yes.

Nick Koumalatsos:

That was that was always that was always the intention.

Drew Beech:

But was it what was more important to you guys? The cleaning because I only use Johnny Sucks now because I'd, like, we all we talked about, like, what we put in our bodies Yeah. Is very important on what we get out of our bodies, but also what people don't realize is what you put on your body matters too. Right? Because, like, that

Nick Koumalatsos:

Yeah. I've learned a lot over the last 7 years, and your biggest organ is your is your skin.

Drew Beech:

That pomade is going right into your brain.

Ali Capra:

Scalp.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Yeah. Yep. So shampoo, everything

Ali Capra:

you use.

Drew Beech:

Yeah. So was it more of a mission at first to make clean products or make good products in the US?

Nick Koumalatsos:

No. It was both it was simultaneous.

Joey Bowen:

Yeah.

Nick Koumalatsos:

It was those are the 2 biggest things was, maintain or get true organic, not all natural. Yeah. Because, like

Ali Capra:

Mhmm.

Nick Koumalatsos:

You know, like, true healthy organic products because even, like, you know, I've learned a lot of the 7 years, like I said, but, like, formaldehyde

Drew Beech:

Yeah.

Nick Koumalatsos:

You know, asbestos. Yep. You know what I mean? Like, these things are you know, you can find them. They don't belong in your product.

Joey Bowen:

Yeah. Which What were we just saying?

Nick Koumalatsos:

Like, formaldehyde is in products.

Ali Capra:

And butane?

Joey Bowen:

For one of my one of my first jobs, I worked in a funeral home.

Drew Beech:

Mhmm.

Joey Bowen:

So, yeah, there's a ton ton of

Nick Koumalatsos:

It's crazy. So, like, the and they and they put it anyway. So and then and then the USDA, like, why aren't you certified organic? It's, like, do you know that anything you read certified organic has a 10% variance of chemicals in there? So you can have formaldehyde and a USDA certified organic.

Nick Koumalatsos:

And we went through the process of what it would be, what a third because it's so the USDA hires a third party investigator to come in and verify your ingredients.

Ali Capra:

Mhmm.

Nick Koumalatsos:

That third party is and and you you pay for this.

Ali Capra:

Like, 1,000 upon 1,000 upon 1,000.

Joey Bowen:

So they're looking at your they're inspecting your production facility, your product,

Drew Beech:

the ingredients

Joey Bowen:

to go into the

Nick Koumalatsos:

product. Etcetera.

Joey Bowen:

Everything. Yeah.

Nick Koumalatsos:

But you have a variance.

Ali Capra:

Yeah.

Ali Capra:

You're allowed so much to be

Joey Bowen:

non organic material.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Could have a USDA organic product that has chemicals in it. It has, for instance, formaldehyde in it.

Joey Bowen:

Yep.

Nick Koumalatsos:

That is certified USDA organic.

Drew Beech:

I can only imagine the price tag the government puts on that. It's it's expensive. Yeah.

Nick Koumalatsos:

It's expensive. But you're paying the you're paying for a stamp.

Ali Capra:

Yeah.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Yeah. It it doesn't even mean what it means. Yeah.

Joey Bowen:

And a 10 10% variance compounded over 10 years is a lot.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Dude. It's a lot. Especially if you're putting it on, like, you put it on your kids. Yep. You know?

Nick Koumalatsos:

Yep. So, yeah, we simultaneously, that was always one thing that we were that that we as a company it's hard to think about it, like, in the initial stages of a company because it was just like I

Ali Capra:

think the re like, the whole purpose of the product was because when Johnny, our business partner, he came up with the original formula because his hair was thinning. Right? 22, 20. At 22 years old, didn't have balding in in his family tree. Like, no one else had.

Ali Capra:

It wasn't genetic. And he started to realize, okay. I wanna do something different. Looking at the back of products, all the stuff that was in it. He's like, this has to be I can't even pronounce anything

Drew Beech:

in this. Exactly.

Ali Capra:

Right? So then he goes and is like, I'm gonna change this. I'm gonna try to only make my products with things that I can't find in nature. An actually organic brand. So it started like him making it in his kitchen out here in PA.

Drew Beech:

Right? No.

Ali Capra:

No. No.

Nick Koumalatsos:

He was down he

Ali Capra:

was back Jersey.

Nick Koumalatsos:

No. He's back down in North Carolina at this point.

Ali Capra:

He he was

Ali Capra:

in the Marine Corps

Joey Bowen:

as well.

Ali Capra:

So we that's how he came down where

Joey Bowen:

we're at.

Ali Capra:

Started making the products and then, you know, over time, he's like, this is what works. Pulling those, like, chemical filled products, the alcohol, all that stuff out of his hair Yeah. Made his hair grow back. Right?

Ali Capra:

He's

Drew Beech:

got nice hair now.

Ali Capra:

Right?

Drew Beech:

Yeah.

Ali Capra:

He's not balding at all.

Drew Beech:

No. Like,

Ali Capra:

at all. So it's amazing.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Yep. Yep. And that and so that that in conjunction with and we were as we started growing, you know, everyone, even even close mentors and friends were like, you guys got to outsource.

Joey Bowen:

Yeah.

Nick Koumalatsos:

You got to outsource. And I was like, oh, man, it just felt so dirty.

Joey Bowen:

So outsource overseas? Outsource. Outsource generally?

Nick Koumalatsos:

It's like a copay. There was there was there was overseas options. Yep. But outsource in general. Yeah.

Nick Koumalatsos:

And I just we just couldn't swallow it. I just it never felt right. It felt dirty. It literally felt like scummy to do. Yeah.

Nick Koumalatsos:

And I'm not saying that, you know, you're scummy if you do it. Just for us Yeah. For us and our mission and what we want to do, it just felt dirty. It felt like a lie. It felt like we would be lying to our people.

Nick Koumalatsos:

And we just so we never did. They they were talking about outsourcing things to the Philippines. Pakistan was on the table at 1 for one thing, and we're just like, no, man. Because how now we have 25 employees. Right?

Nick Koumalatsos:

25. Mhmm. And we're we're continually grow about to hire a bunch more. We have whole families working for us. Yeah.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Like, husband, wife, son.

Joey Bowen:

Your your company is not just growing. Their families are growing. Your community is growing around it. Like, you can't beat that.

Nick Koumalatsos:

So we have 417 Ingredient Vendors.

Ali Capra:

Mhmm.

Nick Koumalatsos:

All those are American businesses with employees.

Drew Beech:

That's cool.

Nick Koumalatsos:

So, like, it's not like, you can't just think one dimensionally. Right? You can't just think about you buy Johnny's and then we pay our employees and you're providing a life for them, which we pay over the national average of, like, minimum wage in North Carolina is, like, 7. Yep. Like, we'd we start our lowest person starts is at 17.50.

Nick Koumalatsos:

That's in North Carolina. Yep. Lowest person on the totem pole is 17.50. And I'm sure that's gonna go up here soon as well. But for what?

Nick Koumalatsos:

So that we can put an extra dollar on the bottom line. Yep. Like, big picture. I just I don't I don't see it.

Joey Bowen:

You have to think about the ripple effect. Yeah. And not many people do.

Nick Koumalatsos:

And then there's and there's 417 vendors out there. They're all American American companies as well.

Ali Capra:

We source everything from them.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Source sourcing from them. And they all have employees and families and kids.

Ali Capra:

Who we visit

Nick Koumalatsos:

and Yeah. Get to know. And So you so when you're buying Johnny Slick's or you're buying you guys, it's like you you the ripple effect of the people that you're supporting all stays here.

Drew Beech:

And what people don't realize if more people made the effort to do business in the in the US, then that would grow in the whole You

Nick Koumalatsos:

you know what's interesting?

Ali Capra:

And and

Nick Koumalatsos:

I believe that and everybody says vote for your vote vote with your dollars. Right? And I just saw something. Maybe you shared it, but it was about the the red dyes in foods and how moms are stopping, like, oh, there's an enough of them that it made mainstream media news. Yep.

Nick Koumalatsos:

That enough moms have gotten smart on these like the red dyes and the red dye 40 and which I found out was bugs. Did you know that? It was parasites.

Joey Bowen:

Yeah. Yeah.

Nick Koumalatsos:

That is that real legit?

Ali Capra:

I don't know.

Joey Bowen:

I think that's a that's where they

Nick Koumalatsos:

fact checked or something. Yeah. I We

Joey Bowen:

actually, we have a fact checker live on

Drew Beech:

the show.

Joey Bowen:

Right on. So, hey,

Nick Koumalatsos:

I I just read that it comes from the the red dye actually.

Joey Bowen:

I believe so.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Comes from bugs and I was like Yeah.

Ali Capra:

What? Well,

Drew Beech:

anyways Sean's wife is a scientist so she might be he might be able to verify

Ali Capra:

it now.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Fact checker. So, anyways, but enough moms have enough moms have stopped buying those products that they're actually making a dent in the actual food market of them changing things or offering it with that at breakfast or things like that.

Joey Bowen:

Yeah. Just

Nick Koumalatsos:

don't be feeding your kids that shit anyway. But nonetheless

Joey Bowen:

So so what you're saying is that those moms came together in a community because they're stronger together

Nick Koumalatsos:

Yeah.

Joey Bowen:

In a world where they're trying to

Ali Capra:

separate themselves. And I

Nick Koumalatsos:

don't even know if it was organized. I don't know if it was organized, but they just I think that, like Put

Ali Capra:

their foot down.

Nick Koumalatsos:

The community of mothers

Ali Capra:

Yep.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Just decided based off this information that we're enough's enough. We're not going to do it. Yeah. And all of a sudden, you start seeing sales drop.

Ali Capra:

Yeah.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Somebody's sitting on a board, somebody's watching that shit, and and especially we're getting into retail. Yeah. 2025, Johnny 6 will be putting our our our foot into retail, which is amazing. The numbers that we're getting told and, like, the manufacturing, John's like, are you kidding me? Yeah.

Nick Koumalatsos:

You know, like, we're talking some big big stuff. Yeah. And, you know, obviously, cash flow and

Joey Bowen:

Yeah.

Nick Koumalatsos:

So there's a whole Exactly. There's a whole thing.

Ali Capra:

Yeah. Game.

Joey Bowen:

It's a whole thing.

Drew Beech:

I mean, you guys are primed for that because, like, like, people are waking up to, oh, we can't put red

Nick Koumalatsos:

for you. Right. But but my point is is, like, there's somebody especially in the retail game because you're so far pre planned and then behind. Right? As far as the retail and then the margins and everything.

Nick Koumalatsos:

If if you've already sold things that are sitting on the shelf and they're not getting bought Yeah. That's a problem for a corporation. Yeah. You know? Mhmm.

Nick Koumalatsos:

And so it's interesting to see how this thing is all this thing is playing out.

Ali Capra:

Earlier kind of before we're on the air about, like, you know, dogging on other businesses and, like, putting them down to get street credit or whatever. And, you know, in the beginning, when we were doing some of our we call them our Johnny in the aisle ads where we're like, Johnny goes into a grocery store and he talks about grocery store products. He was really torn because he was like, I don't really want to talk crap about other brands. And we had to make a decision. Well, are we informing them about, like, a dangerous chemical that's causing them to be bald or potentially even causing issues with their testosterone and their actual hormone health.

Ali Capra:

Yeah. Right?

Nick Koumalatsos:

Those are the ads that get all the comments.

Ali Capra:

Right. Right? If we're informing them of that and we're, like, explaining to our customers legitimately, this is why this brand is not okay. Like, throw it in the garbage. Don't just not buy it.

Ali Capra:

Like, clear it off

Ali Capra:

your shelves.

Drew Beech:

At your house.

Ali Capra:

Yes.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Yeah.

Ali Capra:

And then explaining why it's so much different, why it's so much better. And it was hard at first. He was, like, I don't wanna talk bad about these companies, but I also it's, like, crazy.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Yeah. So we had a him and I had a conversation about that. And and I said, listen. So, for instance, there's a company out there that started making a product years ago years ago, and and it caused cancer.

Ali Capra:

Mhmm.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Okay. If you look at this company's if you look at this company's p and l, which is a publicly traded company, so the the numbers are out there, 40% of their profits come from treating that exact cancer. So they're selling you

Joey Bowen:

Co coincidence?

Nick Koumalatsos:

Yeah. They're selling you the disease and the cure.

Joey Bowen:

Are there 2 are there 2 letters in that company? Is that ready

Drew Beech:

by an end?

Ali Capra:

2 2 letters. Wow.

Ali Capra:

You guys are really smart.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Yeah. But, but, legitimately, that's and I told him, I said, dude, here's the thing is, like, I understand where your heart is, but you gotta under you have to remember that we're in a we're in a dogfight. Yeah. Like, this is this is a this is a fight against some evil, evil people that give 2 shits about America or Americans.

Joey Bowen:

Yep.

Nick Koumalatsos:

And when we had that conversation, he saw it in a different light. He's like, oh, yeah, we're kind of at war here. Like, we're at war for American manufacturing. We're at war for the American people. We're at war with keeping our people healthy.

Nick Koumalatsos:

And that kind of that perception shift, he was like, I'm all in.

Joey Bowen:

Yep. You

Nick Koumalatsos:

know? Yeah.

Drew Beech:

It's like it's it's like what level of conspiracy theorist are you? Yeah.

Ali Capra:

Yeah. Do

Drew Beech:

you like, you guys probably get a lot of comments on your ads like that. They're like, oh, this is bullshit. Yeah.

Ali Capra:

Oh, yeah.

Nick Koumalatsos:

So it's funny. We so we started doing those ads and, another tick another TikToker that that I mean, he some TikToker guy. I don't know who it is, but his video was and he's not affiliated with Johnny Slick's, not affiliated with anything. He made a video on TikTok in the aisle talking about and what he did, very, very clever, I sent it to her. I was like, he did he did this way better than us.

Nick Koumalatsos:

He went into the grocery store and he showed you all of the he color he, like, took a photo

Ali Capra:

Mhmm.

Nick Koumalatsos:

And then, like, went in Photoshop or whatever and then highlighted, colorized the things that are causing the problem, and then and then colorized the ones that fix it. They're literally right next door.

Ali Capra:

Mhmm. So

Nick Koumalatsos:

it's like you have a shampoo that is proven to call call thinning hair and hair loss, and then right next to it, you have hymns and Rogaine and stuff. Yep. And then you look at this and then he and then he and then he switched it to where so you get, like, red and green. And he goes, now let me show you who owns these companies. And he made them blue.

Nick Koumalatsos:

It was, like, blue.

Drew Beech:

Yep. All of them are just blue. Yep. These things it's the same people that sell you the sickness, the same people that sell you the cure. Yeah.

Nick Koumalatsos:

John made a great analogy on 1 on my podcast. He came on. He's like, that's like me punching or actually charging you to punch me me in the face. And then me charging you for

Ali Capra:

An ice pack.

Nick Koumalatsos:

An ice pack. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. He's like, that that make that make sense.

Joey Bowen:

Exactly.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Give me $5. I'm gonna punch you

Drew Beech:

in the face.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Give me another $5. I'm gonna give you an ice pack for that.

Drew Beech:

That's another I I guess I'm gonna say, but a lot of my friends and you guys are all in the same wavelength of essentially escaping the matrix. Right? Like and it really comes down. And people look at us or will tell us that we're conspiracy theorists or, like, just like weirdos. But it it really is the fact that there is more at play here and people in with a lot of money and or power that are controlling a lot of the people on, like, less on the

Joey Bowen:

on the Yeah. Or at least or at least attempting to. It's so obvious now. Mhmm. The only reason that people don't embrace it is because they know then they're gonna have to embrace total responsibility for themselves.

Ali Capra:

Yeah. Change.

Joey Bowen:

Yeah. That's that's what it is.

Drew Beech:

And they don't wanna believe the things they've been doing for the last x like, I saw one video. It was this, it was Thanksgiving, and this woman, was chopping off the back

Ali Capra:

of the

Drew Beech:

ham and putting it in the oven. And the daughter was, like, why are mom, why do you chop off the back of the ham? And she's like, oh, that's what grandma always did. That's the way it's always been done. So I chopped off the back of the ham.

Drew Beech:

And she was like, well, why?

Ali Capra:

She's got

Nick Koumalatsos:

a lot of kids.

Drew Beech:

Why? And she's like, let me call grandma. And she's like, mom, why do we chop off the back of the ham? And she was like, oh, my baking sheet was only 8 inches, so I had to chop

Ali Capra:

off the back of the ham.

Drew Beech:

And she's been doing it for all these years, but it's like a lot of those things. We've been eating red 40 for the last 20 years. We haven't really thought about the consequence of the actions.

Joey Bowen:

Yeah.

Drew Beech:

But now when everyone cancer rates are up to a 100% over the last Infertility.

Joey Bowen:

Yes. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's an interesting yep. Infertility, hormone problems, cancer rates, obesity, you name it.

Joey Bowen:

It's an interesting time to be alive. It really is because there's so many people that are waking up. You know what I mean, and putting their foot, you know, their feet down and leading the charge, but then they're also ramping up the efforts on the other side.

Ali Capra:

Yeah. Mhmm.

Joey Bowen:

I went into the, corner store in my neighborhood, last night, and there was box of cereal there, a cereal that, like, I know I had a shitload of it growing up. Lucky Charms.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Yeah. Oh, yeah. That was

Joey Bowen:

I was just crushing boxes. Lucky Charms. Do you

Nick Koumalatsos:

know Sometimes a box at

Joey Bowen:

a time.

Drew Beech:

Yeah. That's okay. In one sitting.

Nick Koumalatsos:

In one big bowl.

Joey Bowen:

That. Like, try sit down and try to eat that much steak in one sitting.

Drew Beech:

Not how you handle it.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Right. You'll be sick.

Joey Bowen:

But you can crush a box of Lucky Charms and still feel like, oh, I could I could probably crush another box. That right there, that alone. You're like, wait a second.

Drew Beech:

I do feel a lot of that we're here.

Joey Bowen:

Yeah. So they're ramping up efforts on their side. There are 2 faces now in the Philadelphia market on the front of the Lucky Charms box.

Drew Beech:

The Kelsey Brothers.

Joey Bowen:

The Kelsey Brothers.

Drew Beech:

Oh, yeah.

Joey Bowen:

And it says, I don't even know since I stopped watching sports. Jason and or what are their names? Travis. Travis. Sorry.

Ali Capra:

I can't say. I can't say. Yeah.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Yeah.

Joey Bowen:

So their faces on the box Yeah. It says Travis and Jason's pick. Yeah. And it's with the leprechaun. Sponsored

Ali Capra:

by Pfizer. Yes. Straight out. Exactly. Even

Ali Capra:

Yep. Yep. Come on now.

Joey Bowen:

So, like, the opposition is also And that happens.

Nick Koumalatsos:

That happens. Who's the one with, Taylor Swift? Travis. Travis? So he's the one that's that Oh, that's sad.

Joey Bowen:

Oh, okay.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Like, within the last 6 months came out and was like COVID vaccine is good.

Joey Bowen:

Yeah.

Nick Koumalatsos:

I'm like, bros. Now you wanna stand on that box? Like, after dudes are dropping dead

Joey Bowen:

I know. I know. And all the research

Drew Beech:

I got it.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Yep. Like, that's I had to been a hell of a hell of a check. Hell of a payday to be able to sell your sold

Drew Beech:

out for that much.

Joey Bowen:

8 8 figure payday. Had to be.

Drew Beech:

It's so interesting too because now you're it's easier than ever to find your people. I feel like when you it's like, you guys walked in. We talked about sourdough, like, that makes

Ali Capra:

sense. Yeah. Yeah.

Drew Beech:

Oh, well, alright. We're on the same page.

Nick Koumalatsos:

I knew I knew that was coming. You get it. You get chicken. There's so many videos about it. Yeah.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Like, you get a set you get a couple chickens and then you do chicken math because you got eggs and then you gotta figure out all this stuff. Next thing you know, it's another thing. And I'm like, she's talking about ducks and goats. And then yesterday, she was like, I think I gotta start making sourdough because of blood sugar. And I'm like, shit, man.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Here we go. Okay. You know?

Ali Capra:

Why don't

Joey Bowen:

why don't It's

Nick Koumalatsos:

a slippery slope.

Drew Beech:

It is. Yeah.

Ali Capra:

You get

Nick Koumalatsos:

a couple of chickens, next thing you know, you got a whole fucking farm.

Ali Capra:

You gotta take care

Joey Bowen:

of it.

Drew Beech:

I show I show Amanda, my wife, your guys, like, Ellie's stories all the time. I love the fuck. They're killing their own chickens. Like, what the fuck? Like, we have I mean,

Nick Koumalatsos:

no. Do you know the story behind that? Get this shit. So how many chickens do we have in this? 3?

Ali Capra:

We got 3 from

Nick Koumalatsos:

our friends. We started with 3 chickens.

Drew Beech:

How many do we have now?

Ali Capra:

13.

Nick Koumalatsos:

That was fast, bro.

Ali Capra:

I don't know.

Ali Capra:

We got like 20 something.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Yeah. Yeah.

Ali Capra:

Just eating some of them.

Nick Koumalatsos:

So I went I went and got I picked up, I picked up 9. I picked up 9 chicks. Okay?

Ali Capra:

Tractor Surprise.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Tractor Surprise. And brought them home, and she started raising them and stuff. And then some of them got real big, like and they like, within a couple weeks, they started getting aggressive, which, you know, you don't know. I don't know. Maybe chicken people know.

Nick Koumalatsos:

I don't know. You know? But, nonetheless, you know, within a couple weeks, a friend of ours is like, yeah, you got some you got a you got, like, 3 roosters. Dude, it turned into 7 roosters.

Ali Capra:

Of the 9

Nick Koumalatsos:

Out of 9, we got 7 what are the odds of that?

Joey Bowen:

You know how to pick them? Yeah.

Ali Capra:

I didn't pick them. You didn't pick them? No.

Nick Koumalatsos:

I just said I need 3 of those, 3 of those, 3

Drew Beech:

of those. Give me one throw in

Nick Koumalatsos:

a box.

Joey Bowen:

Once. I

Nick Koumalatsos:

would have guessed. And, yeah, ended up with 7 freaking roosters, And it got like, I would go in there and I would be like getting attacked by 7 roosters all at once. I'm like and I told her I said, I'm done. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Nick Koumalatsos:

And we had to go where did we go? We had to go overseas somewhere. We go to Costa Rica

Ali Capra:

or something.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Costa Rica. Yeah. Costa Rica. And I was ready just to, like like, slit throats, throw them in the woods. Yeah.

Ali Capra:

And I

Nick Koumalatsos:

was like, no. No. No. We're gonna The

Joey Bowen:

nature sorted out.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Yeah. So while we were gone, a friend came over and separated all the roosters into into crates. And then when we got back, we had a calling. So we killed 6 of them and then, dude Yeah. That's good.

Nick Koumalatsos:

We still eat it.

Ali Capra:

That's not

Ali Capra:

bad because they were young. Yeah.

Ali Capra:

They have a broth.

Ali Capra:

Ton of bone broth. Yeah. And I'm still making bone broth.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Yeah. We had so we have 6 we have 6 chickens in the fridge.

Drew Beech:

Are those chickens technically pasteurized or no? How would they be classified? I don't

Ali Capra:

know what you classify now.

Drew Beech:

How would they be classified?

Ali Capra:

Because they I let them out every day for a few hours every day, but

Drew Beech:

they're in a spoon,

Ali Capra:

you know.

Ali Capra:

Things. Yeah. Yeah.

Drew Beech:

I don't know.

Joey Bowen:

That's the thing. Even with free range, there's, like, variance on that.

Ali Capra:

How long are you

Ali Capra:

gonna have

Ali Capra:

to be outdoors? How long

Joey Bowen:

has to be Well,

Ali Capra:

that's what

Drew Beech:

I was gonna say about the organic certification. I'd much rather buy my stuff from the the farmer's market down the street than the the supermarket with the organic certification. I know. Real ones know which one's actually organic.

Joey Bowen:

How how do your eggs look from your from your

Nick Koumalatsos:

chicken sandwich? They're all different. Yeah. They're all different sizes. They are a lot smaller.

Nick Koumalatsos:

We all have noticed is the shell is thinner. Yeah. The shell is because I know that because our freaking son, you know, like, you'll yeah. I'm like, dang it. I was going to eat that this morning.

Nick Koumalatsos:

But, yeah, they're very different and the taste is if you've never had your own eggs out of a hen house, like, you don't even know what you're eating.

Joey Bowen:

Yeah. Yeah. So

Nick Koumalatsos:

I don't even eat this stuff anymore.

Joey Bowen:

You know where you were just in my neighborhood in Philly. Right? So I'm in the center of it all. So chickens are not a thing. I can't have a hen house in my I have a backyard in the city, which is crazy.

Nick Koumalatsos:

I I guarantee somebody

Ali Capra:

roof for them?

Nick Koumalatsos:

I I get I guarantee somebody on a roof somewhere has got it Oh, I'm sure. Running. Oh, for sure.

Drew Beech:

Black lives. House. It hasn't located there.

Joey Bowen:

For sure. Want them so bad, but it's not gonna happen, but I do have a cabin upstate. So in the future, it'll be there. But my neighbor has a hen house, and he has a little roadside stand, and he sells the eggs.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Where does he have a hen house?

Joey Bowen:

On his farm.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Oh, okay.

Joey Bowen:

Outside his neighbor up. My cabin's 3 hours away. Yeah. He's 3 hours away. So, he has a little roadside stand.

Joey Bowen:

So when I go up there, I I clean him out of

Ali Capra:

my eggs.

Joey Bowen:

I clean

Ali Capra:

him out

Joey Bowen:

of my eggs, bring him home. So I was showing my daughters, and they were like, why are these eggs? Like, there's a green one. There's a brown one. There's a white one.

Joey Bowen:

This one's small. This one's, like, extra large. Like, what's the deal? And I'm like, this is how eggs should look.

Drew Beech:

That's normal.

Joey Bowen:

Then I open the eggs up from Whole Foods, and they're all the same size and color.

Ali Capra:

Yeah. It's wild.

Joey Bowen:

And they're they're like little cannonballs compared to the Yeah.

Ali Capra:

So what

Nick Koumalatsos:

do you yeah. If you get if you throw a a a raw egg at someone Mhmm.

Ali Capra:

That

Nick Koumalatsos:

from a from a store Yeah. Well, that's gonna hurt.

Ali Capra:

Yeah.

Nick Koumalatsos:

You throw one of our eggs, you're gonna be like, dude.

Joey Bowen:

I've I've done that in my past. So, like

Ali Capra:

I must

Joey Bowen:

admit, I've done that. It was like a thing in 4 weeks.

Nick Koumalatsos:

What get asked of what are they doing?

Drew Beech:

I don't know. Yeah.

Nick Koumalatsos:

What are they doing to

Joey Bowen:

It's the feed. It's the feed, the hormones, everything.

Drew Beech:

How many eggs do you get in in a hole like, in a hole? Like, is it that

Ali Capra:

So right now, we have 4 that are just pullets. So they aren't laying yet. They'll lay in the spring. We're getting

Nick Koumalatsos:

about 4 a day, aren't we?

Ali Capra:

So of there's 12 hens and 1 rooster. So of the 12 hens, that 4 of them don't lay. So 8, we get about 4 a day.

Drew Beech:

Okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah?

Ali Capra:

So I don't

Ali Capra:

know who's doing what. We we sometimes were like, are you laying? You know?

Nick Koumalatsos:

Yeah. I wanna figure it out because whoever's not laying is gonna

Ali Capra:

eat. Yeah. So I

Drew Beech:

went to the cow went to the cows.

Nick Koumalatsos:

You're gonna go in the chicken cone. You're gonna be on the dinner table, the roast history.

Drew Beech:

Toast. Yeah. So you guys are about to step away from getting cows on the

Ali Capra:

Oh, man. On the

Drew Beech:

I I

Joey Bowen:

Goats first probably.

Ali Capra:

I know.

Nick Koumalatsos:

You guys need to back off. Stop giving ideas.

Drew Beech:

It could be

Joey Bowen:

a goat yoga thing going

Drew Beech:

on. Yeah. Dude, that's what I'm gonna start.

Ali Capra:

I'll be sorry.

Drew Beech:

I'll be sorry. I'm like, yeah. Like, how much do I have to pay you for some raw goat's milk and so that you ship it down?

Ali Capra:

My cousin sells all that shit.

Joey Bowen:

She's my plug.

Drew Beech:

She's my plug.

Joey Bowen:

The, entrepreneurship got in my blood first because my great grandfather used to drive from Philly to Lancaster to the farms and bring back, like, butter, eggs, and raw milk.

Ali Capra:

Oh, nice.

Joey Bowen:

Bring it back to the city and sell it. Easy. So it's called Bowen's it's called Bowen's eggs, and it wasn't too far from here.

Nick Koumalatsos:

And and and that's what we've been talking. Like, that's been the big conversation in our house or at the dinner table is looking at the generation who before they when they were eating beef tallow and then they were they weren't using seed oils, like, if you just rewind, say, 40 years, look at the everybody was eating bacon and eggs and lard and all and that's what they were living off of. Right? Flour, biscuits. Yep.

Nick Koumalatsos:

And these people were living to their, like, late nineties.

Drew Beech:

Yep. Easy.

Joey Bowen:

Late nineties. Active up until that point. Yeah. Like, not live until 90, but at 50.

Nick Koumalatsos:

And we got people we got people, you know, kicking the bucket in their in their early sixties now or fifties from, you know, coronary disease and whatever else.

Joey Bowen:

Yep.

Nick Koumalatsos:

It's absolutely, like, wake like,

Drew Beech:

they hadn't they hadn't even heard of some of the diseases we had today. Like, the

Nick Koumalatsos:

Not even close. Yeah.

Drew Beech:

And just I was gonna say about the the cereal that we grew up eating Lucky Charms, Cocoa Puffs.

Nick Koumalatsos:

You know? But even then, if you look at, like, if I look at the food that I ate in the eighties, right Mhmm. The it's not even the same as it is now.

Ali Capra:

The ingredients have changed.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Yeah. The ingredients the ingredients have changed.

Drew Beech:

And, I was gonna say that I'm I feel like you said we're experiencing an awakening for lack of a better word, but our case, I I would guess your case eat eggs and bacon for breakfast. Right? Like that's I made

Nick Koumalatsos:

I made Dimitri steak and eggs.

Drew Beech:

Yeah. Like, part part part

Nick Koumalatsos:

of the butcher got a grass fed a whole bunch of grass fed steak. And

Ali Capra:

He loved that.

Nick Koumalatsos:

And made made 4 ounces of that and an egg and breakfast.

Drew Beech:

Burgers steak and raw milk for dinner pretty much every night. Yeah.

Ali Capra:

Yeah. Yeah.

Drew Beech:

He comes home the one that and it's funny eating healthy now. Like, his is, like, weird. I said, I don't wanna be the weird kid, but also you're gonna be the weird kid. But, he comes home one day. Lunchable.

Drew Beech:

Yeah. He's eating a steak and ramen raw milk, and he's like, dad, am I vegetarian? And I was like, part of what?

Ali Capra:

Like, he's he's like they

Drew Beech:

asked me today at school about because he has turkey and cucumbers for lunch. Like, my friends asked me if I was a vegetarian. I was like, no.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Because you're not eating a pizza pocket or some bullshit.

Drew Beech:

Like, the the school lunch is crazy. It's on it's literally crazy.

Nick Koumalatsos:

You've seen those, talking about eggs in the matrix and entrepreneurship. You've seen those

Drew Beech:

This is the highest rated podcast podcast podcast. Where where

Nick Koumalatsos:

does see is this correlations between prison and public school?

Joey Bowen:

Yeah.

Drew Beech:

I literally just talked to him about that yesterday. He came home from school like that. I literally got 45 minutes outside. Tim and I

Joey Bowen:

were speaking about that this morning. Literally this morning with Dan. We're staying.

Drew Beech:

I was like, Parker, what do you like? Think about this. What are the kids take to school? He's like, a bus. Like, what do they take to prison?

Drew Beech:

He's like, a bus. And I did the whole thing, like and what do you sit in? I was like, what's a cell shape like? He's like, a box, a square. I was like, what's your classroom shape like?

Drew Beech:

And he's like, dad What are the cats?

Joey Bowen:

How old does he look like?

Ali Capra:

He's 8. You're like, stop that. You're blowing a heart. Am I in prison?

Drew Beech:

I think I'm in prison. This like, we are teetering the lie because we had a test today, and I was the stuff we were going I'm like, he's regurgitating this information last night. Yes.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Just memory. Yeah.

Drew Beech:

And I'm just like I'm like I mean, man, we're like 10 more minutes of homework a night away from, like, just pulling out. Because I I got at some point, I'm just not gonna do it.

Joey Bowen:

Well, now the other thing too is, schools, especially schools around here, they're wrapped in barbed wire. Mhmm. They have metal detectors inside. God.

Drew Beech:

Oh, yeah.

Nick Koumalatsos:

So What's the difference?

Joey Bowen:

What's the what's the difference?

Drew Beech:

We're because at some point, the homework becomes more work for me. I'm like, I don't I'm not doing it.

Nick Koumalatsos:

I got enough for you.

Ali Capra:

I already did this. I got enough

Drew Beech:

on my plate.

Joey Bowen:

You already have a high rated, this show is gonna be super high rated. Maybe even get get get canceled, which

Ali Capra:

I could give a fuck about.

Joey Bowen:

I'll tell you, this year for my oldest actually, my youngest does it too, but they have this thing called 1st in math. I don't know.

Drew Beech:

My god. Do you It's a it's a scam.

Joey Bowen:

It's a scam. It's the biggest fucking scam. So it's a a website. Right? So you have to be on the screen to do it.

Joey Bowen:

Yep. Okay?

Nick Koumalatsos:

Okay.

Joey Bowen:

For my oldest, it's homework now. Before, it was optional.

Drew Beech:

It's video games.

Joey Bowen:

Right. So before, it was optional. When she was in 2nd grade, 1st grade, it was optional. So we never did it. We only watch TV in my household on t on days that begin with t, Tuesday, Thursday.

Joey Bowen:

That's the only time I watch it.

Nick Koumalatsos:

8 as well.

Joey Bowen:

She's out.

Drew Beech:

Yeah.

Joey Bowen:

So now it's homework. Now she has to do it 5 minutes a

Ali Capra:

day.

Joey Bowen:

So I'm like, no.

Drew Beech:

Not doing it. 5 minutes.

Joey Bowen:

So we're getting, you know, note from the teacher. I really didn't do a first in math this week, blah blah. So I'm like, let me look at this. Let me just look at first in math and see what this is about. Now on the website, it says it's proven and all this jazz.

Joey Bowen:

And I'm sure somebody's gonna come out of the woodwork and say, you don't know what you're talking about. It is. There's studies, all this other stuff.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Here's the here's here's the caveat to that. My kid.

Ali Capra:

Yeah. Yeah.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Yeah. Yeah. Not your kid.

Joey Bowen:

My issue is it's on the screen. Right? So I ain't gotta do 5 minutes a day for. I checked it out. It makes no sense.

Joey Bowen:

It's like a video game, and it didn't teach me shit. All it taught me was to be on the screen 5 minutes a day. Yep. If you are on the screen 5 minutes a day doing your first in math, at the end of the week, guess what you get?

Drew Beech:

Candy. Candy.

Joey Bowen:

Munchkins.

Drew Beech:

Oh my god.

Joey Bowen:

Munchkins. I love, like, the school that my daughters are are in. They're in a Catholic school in Philly. It's actually steps from where you were. You probably saw it from where you were this morning.

Joey Bowen:

I love it. They're holding the line, you know, on many things in society, But this first in math things gotta fucking go. Yeah. And getting rewarded with sugar Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Joey Bowen:

For being on the screen.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Think about that. That's like you're like a gerbil or a rat in a thing. You just do this task

Ali Capra:

Okay.

Joey Bowen:

And then get jacked up more.

Nick Koumalatsos:

And then get jacked up more, and then do it, and then there's a reward. Every time you press the buzzer

Ali Capra:

Yes.

Nick Koumalatsos:

You you get more sugar.

Ali Capra:

Yes. So those

Nick Koumalatsos:

are kids.

Drew Beech:

Yeah. I'm guessing that you're planning for homeschool then. Yeah.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Our he Dimitri will never see the inside of a classroom.

Ali Capra:

Yeah. He'll

Nick Koumalatsos:

never see the inside of a classroom. Never gonna do it. We're Like, so have you guys had Matt Bardugo in here yet?

Joey Bowen:

I haven't. I've spoken to him. Yes. But, we haven't had him on the show. He's You

Nick Koumalatsos:

got it. You got it. You got to bring you got to bring him up and talk about what he was doing with Hachi and everything. Yep. But so I we we've had nannies since since what?

Ali Capra:

9 months.

Nick Koumalatsos:

About 9 months old. Okay. Obviously, I mean, we just had to. We had very strict, like, guidelines. Like, the kids can be outside.

Nick Koumalatsos:

You know?

Ali Capra:

And I work from home a lot too. So sometimes it was just there help helping.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Mhmm. And we just like, our our nanny got another job, and we just reached, like, well, we I said she she

Joey Bowen:

made it The royal. The royal.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Yeah. Yeah. The royal. She was like, I don't think we're gonna do it anymore. And I'm like, okay.

Nick Koumalatsos:

This is like, 4.

Ali Capra:

He's just super super formidable now, and it's like you can't say anything, and he's, like, repeating it to everyone all the time.

Joey Bowen:

He's an

Nick Koumalatsos:

eighties kid. He looks like an eighties kid. Like, he gets shredded. You know what

Ali Capra:

I mean? He looks like

Nick Koumalatsos:

he plays outside all the time in the dirt. I mean, he doesn't not on screens. Like, he doesn't know. We go to jujitsu, and there'll be kids on the corner like playing and playing on I've had something. And he's like, dad, they won't play.

Nick Koumalatsos:

I'm there. I don't know what's going on because they're broken. He's like he literally is like, there's there's something wrong with them. Yeah. You know, because they won't play.

Nick Koumalatsos:

And but, anyways, with I we called. We were talking about not having a nanny Yeah. And, like, just basically him being with us and going to work and traveling and and whatnot. And, there's certain days that obviously she has things to do.

Ali Capra:

We have, like, full days of meetings, staff meetings, and so with the full team and so like that where I have to kind of, like, arrange things. But it's it's just that. It's like what and I it comes back to this. Like, I I say this on our podcast a lot, and it just drives me up the wall. People, like, think that kids need to constantly be entertained.

Ali Capra:

And everything nowadays is, like, you've gotta have a roller coaster set up. Your kids need to go on 20 different events. It's, like, not the way that it is. Right?

Ali Capra:

Well, I'm

Nick Koumalatsos:

the same. Your job is not to and give them an endless vacation.

Joey Bowen:

Right. You know how I unlearned that that what society tells you? Yeah. Our first daughter, you know, I was our first daughter. Everybody tells you you need all the things.

Ali Capra:

Yeah. You need

Joey Bowen:

this The equipment. You need this. Yeah. All the equipment. Right?

Joey Bowen:

You need this router

Ali Capra:

baby shit.

Joey Bowen:

That goes horizontal. You need this one that goes vertical. This one plays sounds. You can control from your phone.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Butt. The diaper genie.

Joey Bowen:

All these toys, all these gadgets, whatever. You know what my first daughter played with the most? An empty 5 gallon water jug. Yeah. Yeah.

Joey Bowen:

Because we get water delivered to our house because we don't eat. So she played with most. Pushed it around, dead lift it, you know, walk around, beat shit with it. There's a

Nick Koumalatsos:

couple of ways of those. Yeah. That's what we have too.

Ali Capra:

And I'm

Joey Bowen:

like, you know what? There's that this is a big lie.

Nick Koumalatsos:

It so we were looking at basically something to engage with him for, you know, a couple hours a day while she does her mark like, she's the marketing director for all of our businesses. So she has to engage with the team and lead them. And so we were looking at what can we do. So I called Matt, and, he's, you know, Dimitri's 4, just turned 4 in August. And I said, hey.

Nick Koumalatsos:

What are your thoughts? Mhmm. Obviously I

Ali Capra:

was thinking, like, should he be watching some sort of learning thing or something?

Joey Bowen:

Yeah.

Nick Koumalatsos:

What what can we do for that time period and, you know, to to not necessarily, you know, occupy it, but occupy his mind. Yeah. You know what I mean? So that she can work. And he was, like, under no circumstances do you do any of the screens

Ali Capra:

Yeah.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Anything.

Ali Capra:

Nope.

Nick Koumalatsos:

He's, like, get a bunch of blocks. Get Lego Old

Joey Bowen:

school Lego.

Ali Capra:

Old Right. Magnetiles.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Magnetiles. Like, he likes he's like, that kid and and he knows him. So he and he just thinks he's awesome because he is awesome. And that's because of the way we've done what we've done. Yep.

Ali Capra:

I mean,

Nick Koumalatsos:

he's he like we're talking to some one of the black belts that our gym was like, dude, your kid was having a full blown, like, intellectual conversation with me. And, you know, at 4 years old, it's like I was like really confused about what was happening. It's hard for me to keep up. But that's what Matt said. He was like he's he said, let him create.

Nick Koumalatsos:

He said, these kids shouldn't even be he's like, don't even worry about learning. He's like, the reality is young kids should not even be getting formal education until 7 or 8.

Joey Bowen:

Yeah. After the age of reason.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Yeah. Yeah. When they when they actually start asking.

Drew Beech:

Yes.

Ali Capra:

And then they have interest in whatever they have interest in, you you shove more

Ali Capra:

of that.

Joey Bowen:

Channel into what their interests are. One of my life rules, create more than you consume consumption on many levels

Nick Koumalatsos:

Yeah.

Joey Bowen:

Is the problem. I do the same thing with my girls. The girls come to HQ with me. Now they're a little older now, but even when they were younger, they pack a bag. Yep.

Joey Bowen:

They bring Legos.

Ali Capra:

Yep.

Joey Bowen:

They bring stuff to draw with, markers, books. Right? Some snacks in there, and they bring their scooter. They I have to peel them out of this place.

Ali Capra:

Yeah.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Because they're engaged. I have to peel them

Joey Bowen:

out of this place. They're building stuff. They're, making art. They're helping care. Yeah.

Joey Bowen:

They're putting stickers on things that don't belong. Yeah. They're putting stickers on things that don't need stickers. You know? They're putting 6 large stickers on a on a large shoe bag.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Dimitri does the exact same thing at our place. He's like, I gotta do this. You know? I gotta do this. And I

Ali Capra:

gotta do that. He says he's quality control for Johnny's 6. So if you have any discrepancies with your products, take it up with Dimitri.

Drew Beech:

The quality is down.

Nick Koumalatsos:

That's amazing. Email email the 4

Ali Capra:

year old.

Joey Bowen:

We are and I think Matt probably said this and probably much better than I could, but the the kids are wired to learn. They're wired to create. They don't need a learning framework imposed on them at that age. They just need the tools, the right tools. Right.

Joey Bowen:

And that is not a screen. That is blocks.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Yeah. And he was talking he was talking a lot about this this psychology of what's happening on screens and what's really you know, if you if you put a kid on a screen and you take it away, what happens? They, like, freak out.

Drew Beech:

They just, like

Joey Bowen:

Everybody at home can do that experiment in their lives with their with their child. Give them give them the iPad for 20 minutes. Right? Take it away and see who they are. They're not the kid that you knew before that.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Exactly. I do wish weird weird shit happened in the brain there. Yep.

Drew Beech:

And I wish I had awakened earlier on in Barker's life. Like, I was obviously, I'm he's 8 now. So I'm just now getting to this level.

Nick Koumalatsos:

But Now you gotta detox.

Drew Beech:

Each form is like a step. Right? Like, so he had the he had the I the Amazon Kindle Fire thing when he was, like, 5, and I slowly that got taken away. Like, it was just sort of peeling things back.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Was it hard?

Drew Beech:

It yeah. He was a zombie when he was on it. Like, we give it all the time. Like, when I get anything done, it's like that's what I would do. And I was he was probably, like, 3, 4 at the time, which he's at point of time without it now.

Drew Beech:

So we're he's, like, literally, he's so much different than all of his friends on his baseball team or at school. Like, they're they're just, like, zombified, like, some of them because of they they spend all day on screen.

Joey Bowen:

It dampens your awareness.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Yep.

Drew Beech:

And I've been doing a lot of, like, reading and something like cell phones and how my teenager just get them early on and, like, what happens. And I've obviously, I'm way ahead. I'm 8 years ahead. I'm like, I don't know if I ever wanna get Parker a cell phone until he's, I

Joey Bowen:

think that's gonna be using all of the faculties of his brain and all his brain powers.

Ali Capra:

Like, if he just does jiu jitsu, he'll be fine.

Ali Capra:

But but he'll he'll he'll

Nick Koumalatsos:

look at everybody outside as if they're weird.

Ali Capra:

Yeah. What is wrong with

Drew Beech:

you guys? That's my, coach, Danny Myra. He was homeschooled up until college, and he's one of like, he's an extremely intelligent, like, traveled the world playing soccer, going pro, like and just thinks on a totally different as Nick does as well, but, like, they think on a different level that Yeah. Most people that they decide, you know, I can't even

Joey Bowen:

It's that level of awareness. You can make connections between things, people, actions when your awareness isn't dampened and droned by, like, a

Drew Beech:

nice to sound like one of those people, but when we were like one of those people. When we were that age, like and we didn't have all these things. And you would I live my life on do not disturb, but people I don't know why in 2024, we think we could just call people and get access to them whenever whenever you feel like. Like, if I didn't feel like picking up the house

Nick Koumalatsos:

phone Tell

Ali Capra:

me tell

Nick Koumalatsos:

me about it. If my mom didn't

Drew Beech:

feel like picking up the house phone that day, it would she's willing to pick up the

Joey Bowen:

house phone.

Ali Capra:

So hanging off the hook.

Ali Capra:

Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. In the

Joey Bowen:

in the, dish drain.

Ali Capra:

And it

Drew Beech:

was fine. Dish drain.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Yeah. There'll be somebody some random guy that messaged me. I I never met him. No. Like, I need you to call me immediately.

Ali Capra:

K. Like k.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Like, now I got something wrong.

Joey Bowen:

I get that. Yeah. Yeah.

Ali Capra:

I get

Joey Bowen:

the same thing. Yeah.

Drew Beech:

And people get annoyed that my my phone's off. I'm like, dude, I'm I'm living my life.

Joey Bowen:

It's a cold DM sense of urgency bullshit they read on the Internet for somebody. You know what

Drew Beech:

I mean?

Nick Koumalatsos:

Yeah. But Not happening, homie.

Ali Capra:

Yeah. Not happening. Not gonna not

Nick Koumalatsos:

gonna happen.

Ali Capra:

Like, what were

Joey Bowen:

we doing? Back in the day, though, like, when people, like we grew up in the city. Right? So, like, our doors were open. They were unlocked.

Drew Beech:

Yeah. Yeah.

Joey Bowen:

But, like, when people showed up at your house, they weren't showing up to, like, dump a bunch of shit on it.

Drew Beech:

No. They were coming

Joey Bowen:

to the promen or anything. Come and have a cup of coffee,

Drew Beech:

you know, hang out. You you see the it's a bash of Maniscalco stand up.

Ali Capra:

Oh, yeah. Thank you.

Drew Beech:

It is so fun. He's like he's like, back then, you would get a knock at the door, and they'd be like, I was in the neighborhood. You were like,

Ali Capra:

like, But he's

Drew Beech:

a nail for the knock. Someone knocks on your door. You're like, everyone down. Yeah.

Ali Capra:

Yeah. What the fuck?

Joey Bowen:

Shit's locked.

Drew Beech:

Yeah. Who the fuck? Who the hell is

Ali Capra:

he? Yeah. He's He's like, come

Drew Beech:

on in and get the sack.

Joey Bowen:

Yeah. Well, we've we've covered a lot

Ali Capra:

of grounds. Right? We've covered

Joey Bowen:

a lot of ground during

Ali Capra:

the show.

Nick Koumalatsos:

I gotta be honest.

Drew Beech:

This is not the direction I saw. Sorry.

Nick Koumalatsos:

But it's the direction.

Ali Capra:

But it's

Ali Capra:

all you're talking about

Ali Capra:

on the show.

Joey Bowen:

I'm here for I

Nick Koumalatsos:

know the call. You brought your tinfoil hat to this conversation. Alright.

Joey Bowen:

Alright. And we're just really scratching the surface. We could really go in. Oh, gosh. That's what we're doing.

Joey Bowen:

Me.

Drew Beech:

I was scratching the surface.

Joey Bowen:

I could really go in on some Philly stuff too. Yeah. Before we get to the next thing that we didn't plan on talking about, back up and just let the community know that we have a lot of crossover in our community, like your people, our people, our people, your

Nick Koumalatsos:

people. Yeah.

Joey Bowen:

But for those that are new to Johnny Slicks in particular, just back up and give them a little just a quick elevator on, like, pitch on, like, what Johnny Slicks is.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Johnny Slicks is it's it you know, if you look at it, we're we we make American made all organic, grooming products, hair, beard, body wash, post jujitsu wash, which is one of my favorites, man. The missus as well. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It will say it will save you literally.

Drew Beech:

It stays in my shower.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Like post any sort of contact sports, please use it, you know. But beyond that, it's kind of like what we talked about in the in the middle beginning. It was it's it's about people, it's about America, it's about kind of taking ownership back of your choices and decisions and not, allowing the ones with 2 initials and a and a and a and in the middle to profit off of your family's sickness. Mhmm. And and we it shouldn't even be that way in the first place.

Nick Koumalatsos:

And we want to give jobs just like you guys. We want to give jobs to Americans. We want to make families whole. We want to pay them well. We want to get we want we want Americans to thrive, not just, you know, financially, but also health wise and physically.

Nick Koumalatsos:

So there's a there's a there's a it's a big to us, it's more about it's more than just soap, more than soap. I mean, you got to thank my business partner. I mean, it was 2 months before we partnered in 2018. Mhmm. He's got his car repoed.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Like, he went all in on this thing with selling plasma.

Ali Capra:

Him and his wife sold plasma to just make enough money for the lids for the jars for the first batches of poly that they were selling. Like, they literally put their blood, sweat, and tears into the product, and, like, it shows. It's like they care so much about this. Like, they will not let anything that isn't awesome go out the door.

Nick Koumalatsos:

And and when we and that yeah. Like you said, like and that's a good point out the door. Like, straight to for and and we have this saying from from our hands to your hands.

Ali Capra:

Mhmm. Mhmm. Yep.

Nick Koumalatsos:

And, you know, when we met when I met them because of my background, all of that, the hard work and, you know, it's funny if you will hunt, you know, everybody wants to eat. Yeah. If you're willing willing to hunt and and that resonated so much with me that I looked at it. I saw the product. I saw how healthy it was.

Nick Koumalatsos:

I saw how good it was. Jeez. Just this I mean, the quality and the smells alone. Yep. You know what I mean?

Nick Koumalatsos:

Like, you wear the you wear Johnny Slick around your wife. She's gonna notice. That's we have, like, what, 20 babies from this stuff already. Yeah. Nice.

Nick Koumalatsos:

You know? Next thing every once in a while, we get an ultrasound like, thanks, Johnny Slick's. Yeah. That's cool.

Drew Beech:

That'd be a great ad.

Nick Koumalatsos:

We actually we've never we've never

Ali Capra:

Never fully done it.

Ali Capra:

We've never fully done it. I don't

Nick Koumalatsos:

know who tells you about it. We've never done it. We haven't gotten any ultrasounds.

Joey Bowen:

I get invited to weddings. That's right.

Drew Beech:

I get Yeah.

Ali Capra:

That's cool. Save the

Joey Bowen:

dates to

Ali Capra:

to my house actually.

Nick Koumalatsos:

That's cool.

Joey Bowen:

Yeah. Yeah.

Nick Koumalatsos:

But that's that's to to me, that's what it's really about and it's it and that's why the and it's funny the more that you hammer down on that mission, you don't you don't waiver on that. You start finding more companies and friends that there's a lot more people out there wanting the exact same thing than we realize we just are not connected. And when you start connecting, you realize how strong this country really is and how many peep how many Americans really are just waiting for somebody to stand up and say this is the way. This is how we're gonna get it done. This is how we're gonna make America great again.

Joey Bowen:

Right.

Nick Koumalatsos:

You know?

Drew Beech:

Yeah. It doesn't feel like it's the moment, though.

Nick Koumalatsos:

No. It does. It's hard, man. You get a lot of pushback, and I think that comes down to the opposition. Right?

Nick Koumalatsos:

We talk a lot about the opposition. We talk a lot about go for like this. You're living a certain way. Go change your life. Start eating healthy, try to lose weight, go to the gym.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Watch what the people around you start to criticize you for.

Ali Capra:

Mhmm.

Nick Koumalatsos:

And it has nothing to do with your hard work. It makes them insecure. To be fair. It it it make it because, like, well, jeez, you're doing this.

Ali Capra:

Yep.

Nick Koumalatsos:

You know? But it makes them look at themselves. Yeah. It has nothing to do with your initiative, your hard work, what you're trying to change, your progress. It's about their own insecurities and their own lack.

Joey Bowen:

Yep. It's a mirror. And the craziest thing about it is when you change your life like that, the first thing you wanna do is help them.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Yeah.

Joey Bowen:

You're not showing up like, look at me. Yeah. All ego driven. I'm the best. I made these changes.

Nick Koumalatsos:

You feel it, and you wanna share that

Ali Capra:

with them. Wanna share it. Yeah.

Joey Bowen:

Now that's an art within itself.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Yeah.

Joey Bowen:

But even considering that that you wanna share that, you wanna give that gift to them, they'll still criticize. Yeah.

Nick Koumalatsos:

And I They'll

Joey Bowen:

still criticize.

Nick Koumalatsos:

You know what? And I I tell people this. Only you. If you've transcended from version 1.0 to 2.0 to 3.0, whatever that is for you, you are uniquely qualified to help the version 1.0 of you.

Ali Capra:

And

Nick Koumalatsos:

I believe that you have a requirement to do so.

Joey Bowen:

To duty. That's

Drew Beech:

a great point. Responsibility.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Yeah. I think that's yet if if you've transpired to another level, you you do have a responsibility to help the ones that say, hey. I'm I'm in.

Joey Bowen:

When When I was at BK live and I spoke, I spoke about building community, building a profitable community, but just building community generally. And I said that the 3 things that community does really well, awaken, arm, and associate. Awaken people to the lies that they've been fed, confronts them. Right? Arms them with the tools.

Joey Bowen:

Hey, look. I did it.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Information tools.

Joey Bowen:

This is how I did it, the information. Right? And then associates and brings them together.

Ali Capra:

Yeah.

Joey Bowen:

Because when we're when we're divided and we're diseased, we're super easy to control. And that And

Nick Koumalatsos:

that's and that's their mission. That's the opposite situation. You know what kind of

Joey Bowen:

So tinfoil hat back on.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Yeah. So I I set I set sorry. I'm talking about Billy again. I got to sit on a plane coming back from Florida going to Atlanta, and I and I had my AirPods ready. I was ready to check out for an hour and a half.

Nick Koumalatsos:

And I sit next to this this, this older gentleman, and he kinda starts talking to me. And so I I had my AirPods in my hand. I just put them down in my lap. And, you know, we started rapping a little bit, and he goes he goes, guess how old I am? This guy was just great.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Great. And we talked about all kinds of stuff, and I did a whole post, took a picture with him, did a whole post.

Joey Bowen:

I saw it.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Yeah. It's awesome. Amazing. Right?

Joey Bowen:

Yeah.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Amazing. And one of the things that shocked me you gotta think, 87 years old, black gentleman, engineer, career engineer for GM.

Drew Beech:

Mhmm.

Nick Koumalatsos:

The dude has seen some shit,

Joey Bowen:

man Oh, yeah.

Nick Koumalatsos:

In this country. Right? So I like

Ali Capra:

I I

Joey Bowen:

kinda seen every tide

Ali Capra:

brought us

Nick Koumalatsos:

to this. Exactly. Exactly. And that's why I kinda wanted to pull out of him. You know?

Nick Koumalatsos:

Like, I wanted to be like, give me some give me some info. Yeah. You know what I mean? Give me some wisdom. And it shocked me to hear him say because I got you know, I heard at the end of the conversation.

Nick Koumalatsos:

I said, so, Bill, what do you think of our the state of the country where it's at? Like, where where things are at? And and he was like, you know, it's sad. He goes, in all of my life, I've never seen this country, which I love so much, to be so divided.

Ali Capra:

Mhmm.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Yep. And I'm thinking back to the sixties being a black man and being an engineer Yep. In Texas

Joey Bowen:

That's a state that you make. That's

Nick Koumalatsos:

And I'm and I'm wondering and and I saw I didn't put it in the post because I didn't want it I didn't want that to be what was talked about. Mhmm. I wanted the 3 things that he shared with me. And but I so we dove into it and I said, you you gotta be kidding me. Like like you were alive you were a professional guy Yep.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Going through school, becoming an engineer during segregation.

Joey Bowen:

Basically. I was

Nick Koumalatsos:

like, and you're saying that we're more divided now than then? And he goes he goes, what you got to understand is removing segregation made a lot of sense. And there was a lot of people on both sides that wanted it to end. He's like, we're talking about schools, logistics, taxes, everything.

Joey Bowen:

Mhmm.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Like, they he goes this is his opinion. This is his words that they made it. They've made that story bigger now than it was then. Like, yes. Were there hot pockets of of things that were absolutely.

Nick Koumalatsos:

It was it was all a real thing. But for an 87 year old man to say that

Joey Bowen:

That's lived through that.

Nick Koumalatsos:

That's lived through that. And from his point of view, to say that we're more divided now than than than, that just blew my mind. Yep. It blew my mind. And like you said, it's because, you know, through the digital era, through social media, it's like we have we have never been more fat.

Nick Koumalatsos:

We've never been more sick. We've never been more controlled. Our minds, our actions

Joey Bowen:

That's that's the thing where you say that. You're like, oh, you know, we're being controlled by all. And then they can the the people come out and they say, I can go wherever I want. I can do whatever I want. Come on.

Joey Bowen:

Stop with the conspiracy stuff. It's the minds that

Nick Koumalatsos:

are being

Ali Capra:

controlled. It's not

Joey Bowen:

That's what it is.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Yeah. Your your prison is your your prison is your mind.

Joey Bowen:

You're your jailer. You're your bail.

Ali Capra:

And I

Drew Beech:

don't know if I'll articulate this thought as well as I want to, but and I were just having a discussion last night and, something about, like, getting fact checked online. It was something that was getting fact checked that, like, it to me wasn't necessarily a fact. But, like, nowadays, everything you post is subject to being fact checked, but nothing is purely like a fact. Right? Like, even the people I could go say the sky is blue.

Drew Beech:

Right? To you to us, that's factual. But to someone else, that might not necessarily be the case. And years ago in the eighties, whatever, sixties, even before that, no no one was there online to correct you or tell you you were wrong. So you had to to discern what was factual and what you believe to be true for yourself.

Drew Beech:

You thought

Nick Koumalatsos:

for yourself.

Drew Beech:

Exactly. So, like, some of, if you posted homegrown eggs are amazingly healthy for you, boom, fact check. And then it's like, oh, they carry all these bad things. Exactly. But

Nick Koumalatsos:

to you and I, that's the good shit. Right, Claire?

Ali Capra:

Yeah. To

Drew Beech:

you and I, that bacteria is what's actually make makes it good for you.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Yeah.

Drew Beech:

And it's, like, to me, that's a fact that those eggs are good for you. But the

Ali Capra:

So

Drew Beech:

the people that The checkers. Yeah. The the

Nick Koumalatsos:

Do you know how so this is kind of thinking for yourself, which is which is what they don't want. So our edge our modern day education system, do you know where it came from? It came from Prussia. Yeah. Okay.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Mhmm. It came from Prussia. The reason why they created the school system as it was is because during one of their wars, they were getting these young men drafted into the war to fight for the war. But when they would tell them to go do something, they wouldn't do it. They would think for themselves.

Nick Koumalatsos:

They wouldn't blindly follow orders because they all grew up solving problems and thinking for themselves because they were never in school. Mhmm. They grew up on a farm. They grew up in a world where they had to think for themselves. Mhmm.

Nick Koumalatsos:

So when somebody said, go do this and run into gunfire, they're like, maybe there's a better way. You know what I'm saying? Like We

Joey Bowen:

could just flank around

Ali Capra:

and Yeah.

Nick Koumalatsos:

There's like something else. Do a different thing than just run towards gunfire. And so the government at the time said, okay, we've got them too late. If we're picking them up at 18, and I'm sure somebody would be like, actually, it was this and this that you know, generally This

Ali Capra:

is an

Joey Bowen:

anecdote, everybody. This is an anecdote.

Ali Capra:

So I

Nick Koumalatsos:

don't know exactly but they they got basically, the point was they got them too late and they realized they need to indoctrinate them early into the system, and that's when the school systems came.

Ali Capra:

Yeah.

Nick Koumalatsos:

So, a guy came over from there to here. Mhmm. Rockefeller's got a hold of him. Yeah. And they were like, this is the system we need to indoctrinate because we don't need a nation of thinkers, which is what you just said, thinking for yourself.

Nick Koumalatsos:

We need a nation of workers.

Ali Capra:

Mhmm.

Joey Bowen:

Boom. America. And then

Nick Koumalatsos:

you wanna talk about, like, you know, the whole woman's right movement. Like, people got I

Joey Bowen:

Rockefeller had their hands in that too.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Of course. They funded it.

Joey Bowen:

I know.

Nick Koumalatsos:

And it was like, hey.

Drew Beech:

Good for them. Right?

Joey Bowen:

Extra layers of tinfoil hat

Ali Capra:

going on.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Right? It's Extra layers. Absolutely. Right? And and I'm all for that.

Nick Koumalatsos:

But when you start looking at the reason why that it was backed, it's like, wait a minute. The wife goes to work, now pays taxes. Now we have double the tax income. We have top we have we have double the workforce. Mhmm.

Ali Capra:

Oh, what

Nick Koumalatsos:

about your kids?

Ali Capra:

Don't

Nick Koumalatsos:

worry about your kids. Send them to us. We'll take care of your kids for you.

Ali Capra:

We'll help them to think clearly.

Joey Bowen:

This the decisions choices must be made. Right? You're either gonna make them for yourself or somebody's gonna make them for you. Yeah. And for a whole lot of years, there's been some choices made for us Yeah.

Joey Bowen:

That now we're we're rebelling against.

Ali Capra:

It's just like you said, create or consume. Like, are you consuming? If you're consuming all day every day, whether it's social media, not just I'm not just saying, like, food or snacks. Like, you're consuming something

Ali Capra:

Yeah.

Ali Capra:

Or you're creating. Right? So if you're somebody who's just consuming, it's like, what are you don't even know what you believe. You believe what they tell you.

Ali Capra:

Right? Yes.

Joey Bowen:

You're so you're so abandoned.

Nick Koumalatsos:

You're so abandoned. I always tell men, like, be the captain of your own ship, the CEO of your own life. Like, stop letting other people dictate. Yep. Don't let me dictate anything for you.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Don't let anybody

Drew Beech:

dictate anything for you. For people and it's been I mean, I'm I was young when I learned all this. I started to think differently. Right? And what honestly set me on the path was Rich Dad Poor Dad.

Drew Beech:

I don't know if you guys ever read that book. Yeah.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Yeah. Great book. I

Drew Beech:

got recommended that book when I was in college, and it literally, like, I was, like, about to drop

Nick Koumalatsos:

it out.

Drew Beech:

I was, like, fuck.

Ali Capra:

Stupid. Yeah.

Drew Beech:

But I, I've always been the the weird one since then. Right? Like, even to this day, like, my family is like, oh, Drew's here. Great. Like, we're gonna like, I I I begged my little brother to not go to college this last year.

Drew Beech:

My mom was like, oh,

Nick Koumalatsos:

that's so cute. People hate talking

Ali Capra:

to me.

Nick Koumalatsos:

I'm like, you're going to going to college? Who's paying for it? Why? What are

Ali Capra:

you doing? Why are

Nick Koumalatsos:

you wasting all your time?

Drew Beech:

My mom would be like, sure. Shut up. Like, yeah. Like, it's always been that way too. Like, I stopped I started looking at the food I was eating.

Drew Beech:

I started looking at the

Joey Bowen:

People you're hanging around with. Yeah.

Drew Beech:

Park comes home with a c at school. I'm like, alright. Whatever. Like, I I don't care. Like, it doesn't, but and that's why it's the few.

Drew Beech:

Right? Not the not the many. Like, it's not many want. It's the few want. Because when you start to think differently and challenge society and what they have built for you, you start to be labeled as weird.

Drew Beech:

Yeah.

Ali Capra:

Yeah. Yeah.

Drew Beech:

That's the hard part for a lot of people, especially at a young age, like, starting to think for yourself, like you're saying. Like, it's it's met with a lot of criticism and, disbelief.

Ali Capra:

And that's our segue for jiu jitsu.

Joey Bowen:

Oh. Yeah.

Ali Capra:

As long as you

Ali Capra:

I literally

Drew Beech:

didn't even think about the fact that we didn't even start talking about jiu jitsu.

Ali Capra:

We got some time.

Joey Bowen:

We got a little

Drew Beech:

bit of time, maybe.

Nick Koumalatsos:

We got

Joey Bowen:

a couple of minutes to cover jiu jitsu. One one thing before we get jiu jitsu, I wanted to call out when you're talking about creating. Right?

Ali Capra:

Oh,

Joey Bowen:

yeah. And then, you're talking about Johnny selling plasma to afford the lids and everything. When he came to you and you're like, oh, his product's natural, great, they're all in. But you you I'm a believer that you felt the energy, all the sacrifice, the risk, the hard work, the sleepless nights that went into putting that lid on that product.

Nick Koumalatsos:

There was something. Like, you Yeah. There was something different about that.

Ali Capra:

Like, 24. Him and his wife were I don't even know it. 24. Too. Yeah.

Ali Capra:

23. Really young.

Joey Bowen:

And I I believe that

Drew Beech:

So they're about my age and, like, 30. Yeah.

Ali Capra:

They're 30. Just her 30.

Drew Beech:

Wow.

Joey Bowen:

When you pour that much energy into creating something, the energy stays with it. And like you're saying, it's more than soap. We have the same thing. It's more than a t shirt. Like, anybody can design a t shirt, put a badass design on a t shirt, but does it feel the way it feels when you put on a fuel on shirt?

Joey Bowen:

Does it feel the way it feels when you screw the cap off of Johnny Slick? Like, that energy's in there. I really believe that.

Nick Koumalatsos:

No. I really do believe that. And it's funny. I, there was one morning that I did, like, I don't know. I just, like, I had to get ready for something.

Nick Koumalatsos:

So, like, you know, bathed with it, shaved with it, styled my hair with it, you know, and I was just like, damn. I feel good. Yeah. Yeah.

Joey Bowen:

And it's the product, and it's all that good. It's like, you know, the great job that you've done with presenting the product and all that sort of stuff. But I believe that really,

Ali Capra:

at the

Joey Bowen:

end of the day, it's the energy that's in there from that creation.

Drew Beech:

Just as much as it is with, like, when you eat a single ingredient food or a food with 5 ingredients, it's like Johnny Sucks. It only has, like, what, 5 ingredients? Like, if

Nick Koumalatsos:

that some less.

Drew Beech:

Like, you feel that when you when you eat that way and put that in your body. You put it like when I put Giant 6 on for the first couple of times, I was like, well, like, this feels Yeah. Differently and natural.

Ali Capra:

That's what

Drew Beech:

you mean? Like, I feel like I I am not putting a chemical in my body. Mhmm.

Ali Capra:

So Almost all of our all of our guys that work in the lab, I think all of them. Just about are all veterans, everybody. We're right by the marine corps base, outside the marine corps base. So, like, most of our guys on our team were served.

Drew Beech:

Yeah.

Ali Capra:

So it's just a little bit different. Everything's different

Joey Bowen:

Different area.

Ali Capra:

For our team. Yeah. Especially for our area.

Drew Beech:

Not a lot of entitlement. Yep.

Joey Bowen:

So those, those guys are also formulating packaging your after action wash so we can take the turn back.

Ali Capra:

Yeah. My question is

Drew Beech:

I mean, I Nick started training first. Right?

Ali Capra:

Like, I tried it first, actually. I started with my brother. I grew up in a wrestling family.

Drew Beech:

Okay.

Ali Capra:

Started it and tried it in 2019.

Drew Beech:

Wrestled it when you were

Ali Capra:

No. She

Nick Koumalatsos:

wasn't allowed to wrestle.

Ali Capra:

I went to all the practices and wrestled, but I didn't get to wrestle in tournaments. Yeah. Yeah.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Yeah. Yeah. I I started consistently first. And

Joey Bowen:

how long ago was that?

Nick Koumalatsos:

2019. So 5 years ago.

Drew Beech:

Okay.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Yeah. Alright.

Drew Beech:

And then how long after that until Allie made her way to the mats?

Nick Koumalatsos:

6 months after Oh, wow. 6 no. No. 6 months after we

Ali Capra:

made her

Nick Koumalatsos:

way to

Ali Capra:

the mat. I went for a bit with my brother and then got pregnant.

Drew Beech:

Okay.

Ali Capra:

So then he went for that whole time I was pregnant. And then I

Nick Koumalatsos:

couple years before her. Mhmm. Yeah. And, yeah, the reason I started was I felt it's kind of weird. It's weird to say because I was never I was by no means 6 you know, way more successful today than I am then.

Nick Koumalatsos:

But, you know, with everything I've done in my life in special operations and in business, like, I had a I had a really good ecosystem, right, I had a really good ecosystem to where it was a pretty tight network. And to put it lightly, like, I was like the top of my little circle. Right? There's nothing really other than just growing businesses, there was nothing challenging me personally.

Ali Capra:

Mhmm.

Nick Koumalatsos:

And I wanted something to where I was

Ali Capra:

Hard?

Nick Koumalatsos:

Yeah. I mean, I wanted

Ali Capra:

I mean,

Drew Beech:

I I Building businesses is probably one of the

Nick Koumalatsos:

most challenging

Ali Capra:

things to do.

Drew Beech:

But it's

Nick Koumalatsos:

like I had the recipe and I knew that it was just that I it was just time.

Ali Capra:

Yeah.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Excuse me. It was just it was just time. Like, I have to run. I know what moves I need to make. I just got to run this play for long enough and I'm and these these things are going to be successful.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Bam. Here we are. Yep. You know what I mean? 2 8 figure businesses and a 7 figure business.

Nick Koumalatsos:

I just had to run the play long enough.

Drew Beech:

Yeah.

Nick Koumalatsos:

But for me, personally, I wanted something that would challenge me, something that I wasn't good at. Back to the basics, the white belt thing. You know? I wanted to somewhere that I was like, okay, I want to be this white belt to where that I can just learn. And I cannot and I'm not a top dog.

Nick Koumalatsos:

I'm not a boss. I'm not an owner. I'm not a, you know, a leader of anything. I just want to be this the bottom line guy again learning. And I remember I went I went, like, a couple nights before, and I went in at the night, and I just like, hey.

Nick Koumalatsos:

What's going the deal? And, like, oh, we have morning classes. Here's the time. There was, like, you know, the basic stuff. Like, show up.

Joey Bowen:

Yeah. Yeah.

Nick Koumalatsos:

You know what I mean? I'm like, cool. So here I am at 5:30 in the morning on a Monday morning going. I'm sitting out at the parking lot, and I'm literally it's like you remember being a kid? I don't know if you you're old enough, I think.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Like, being a kid and it's like at 3 o'clock at the playground, I'm kicking your ass.

Ali Capra:

Yeah. You know what I mean?

Ali Capra:

I remember that.

Nick Koumalatsos:

So all day, you're

Joey Bowen:

just stop.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Yep. All day, you're thinking like, I'm gonna get my ass beat.

Joey Bowen:

Bro, I remember some of those days where, like, we used to fight as soon as we got off the bus. Like, we're at a bus stop, and we used to get off, and people just start to see

Ali Capra:

where we are.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Here, the the city of brotherly shove. Right?

Drew Beech:

So The

Ali Capra:

bus pulls off. I still

Joey Bowen:

remember those days of me like, the feeling I felt, like, walking down the aisle of the yellow cheese bus Yeah. The door open and me stepping

Ali Capra:

off the bus.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Like, I remember those moments. Like, it's

Joey Bowen:

going down. Well, it's going down.

Nick Koumalatsos:

At least

Ali Capra:

yours was a controlled environment and the and

Drew Beech:

it was But was I? Yeah. But it wasn't. Well,

Nick Koumalatsos:

it wasn't. I wish

Joey Bowen:

you could end it. And,

Ali Capra:

So you had that

Drew Beech:

feeling waiting in the car. Yeah. I'm,

Nick Koumalatsos:

like, 5:30, I'm a grown ass. I'm, like, a grown ass man with 3 kit, you know, with 3 kids.

Drew Beech:

Military service.

Nick Koumalatsos:

You know, I'm a special operations guy. I'm, like, what the fuck am I doing? Yep. You know, and then, eventually, I I you know, other cars are pulling up and was, like, oh, god. This is gonna suck.

Joey Bowen:

Here they come. Here they go.

Nick Koumalatsos:

So I go in and that's what I thought exactly what happened.

Drew Beech:

Like And you had no experience prior. You were

Nick Koumalatsos:

I mean, a little bit

Joey Bowen:

in my team. Like, I had

Nick Koumalatsos:

a I had a brown belt on my team and we would roll a little bit and I was always confused about what was happening and why I was

Joey Bowen:

why I was wrestle up.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Why I was bigger and stronger than him and and and nothing and he was, like, not he was, like, taking a break on my back and, like, chilling. So so I had a little bit of understanding, but no no skill.

Joey Bowen:

That that story reinforces 2 things. Number 1, the the climb is always better than the summit.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Always. Always. You need another mountain mountain

Ali Capra:

mountain mountain

Nick Koumalatsos:

mountain mountain mountain. That's where you're getting all your information, and that's where you're getting all your experience from is the climb.

Joey Bowen:

Yep. And the second thing, we're wired to grow. We're wired to learn. Like I said earlier, kids are wired to learn.

Ali Capra:

Oh, yeah.

Joey Bowen:

You know what I mean? We're wired to grow.

Nick Koumalatsos:

You So so fast.

Ali Capra:

Like you

Joey Bowen:

were at a point where you were like, hey. Look. Like, I'm growing, but not exponentially. Not the way I wanted them.

Nick Koumalatsos:

And and that was really the thing. It was like I needed something outside of my network, outside of my businesses, outside of my community that was for me, that was going to, you know, elevate my life in some way. Mhmm. And so for some reason, that's that's what I did. Okay.

Nick Koumalatsos:

And I I I never stopped.

Drew Beech:

Yeah. So was Ali, like, I I get in on this? Or were you like, Ali, you gotta come train?

Nick Koumalatsos:

I'll let you answer that.

Ali Capra:

So, like I said, I grew up with a wrestling family. So my dad wrestled my dad wrestled into his late thirties, like, in, like, competition

Drew Beech:

style. In your blood then.

Ali Capra:

And my and my brother. And my brother does jiu jitsu now as well. Yeah. So he my brother had been trying to get me to go forever.

Nick Koumalatsos:

MMA for a while.

Ali Capra:

Yeah. So he got me to go in 2019 for a bit, and I really did like it. But you know how it is when you go and you're a chick and you don't know what you're doing. I mean, you don't know how it is when you're a chick, but when you don't know what you're doing. You know, when you're a chick too, the thing that's nice though and I we talk about this a lot is because, like, as a man, you go in and it's just expected, like, that you should know what you're doing.

Ali Capra:

And when you don't, everybody's like, oh.

Nick Koumalatsos:

All experiences are not created equal.

Ali Capra:

Right. Like, this dude can't fight cape. Like, whatever. With chicks though, the cool part, and this is what I always try to encourage women with, there's no expectation for you. You don't have to know how to kick anybody's ass when you come in.

Ali Capra:

Everybody's gonna give you a pass. So like You're just

Nick Koumalatsos:

there to learn.

Ali Capra:

You're there

Joey Bowen:

to learn.

Ali Capra:

And it's kinda cool.

Drew Beech:

There's no ego.

Joey Bowen:

Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

Ali Capra:

And so you like, you have a little bit more time to get it figured out.

Joey Bowen:

Yeah.

Drew Beech:

And I feel I don't know about if this was way your gym, but, gyms I've gone to, not in my gym now. But guys, especially certain kind of guys, like, very eager to help the the girls to come in. Like There

Nick Koumalatsos:

might be some of that going on.

Joey Bowen:

Yeah. There's yeah.

Ali Capra:

I

Drew Beech:

forgot what I was gonna say exactly, but oh, I still struggle even having done jiu jitsu for two and a half years with that ego. Right? Like, it's always checked the ego, but it's, like, it's very, very challenging when rolling when I'm rolling with, like, a white belt. Right? I'm, like, any passing my guard or it gets me gets the side control.

Drew Beech:

I'm, like, like like, when I'm rolling with the purple belt, blue belt, anyone are higher than level than me, I'm like, oh, like, it's okay. He's supposed to beat me. But if someone under like like, you know about the ego stuff. Like, was someone under you in belt level, like

Ali Capra:

Starts to move your ass.

Drew Beech:

Get something on you? It's like, dude, what the fuck? So even, like sometimes I, like, see a bigger white belt and, like, a a big strong wrestler. I might shy away from that role. Like and I know it's something I have I'm Block.

Drew Beech:

Working through personally.

Nick Koumalatsos:

But one of those. He's like a 8 stripe white belt Yeah. Division former division one.

Ali Capra:

He's been keeping stripes and just throw him away.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Yeah. For sure. Wrestler. I'm like, somebody put a freaking blue belt on the shirt.

Ali Capra:

Yeah. Yeah.

Joey Bowen:

Put a belt on. I put a

Drew Beech:

belt on. That being said, like, to your point, like, there it seems like starting as a as a girl is like that. You don't have to worry about that at all because there's no you're supposed to lose it. There's only going up.

Ali Capra:

There is. It is like it it's kinda refreshing. So it's like somebody who's interested in doing it. I always encourage them. Like, dude, you have nothing to lose.

Ali Capra:

You have nothing to lose, especially if you're careful and you prepare your body for it. Right? So I'm always like you that you're capable of

Nick Koumalatsos:

doing prepare your body. You're just you're a part of

Ali Capra:

a financial condition. Crazy. Bro, I was breastfeeding and stuff. So, like, it was bad. Like, I was going there, like, no.

Ali Capra:

No.

Joey Bowen:

No. I

Ali Capra:

can't feel

Ali Capra:

good. So bad.

Nick Koumalatsos:

But it helps you a lot. It did. It did. It did. It did.

Drew Beech:

It did.

Ali Capra:

Everything. It helped.

Ali Capra:

Yeah. And

Ali Capra:

now I truly believe, like, I prepare my body for it. I eat what I'm supposed to eat. I train.

Drew Beech:

Because you wanna that's the thing I say. If you don't train, like, you're not really working out because it's like, I train because I wanna be good at something. Right? I wanna I wanna be an athlete. So I'm like I'm like, I'm eating, recovering, training.

Drew Beech:

Like, my my workouts are specific for I'm like doing hip thrusts all the time. Like, just like Yeah. Only things that are gonna help me because I don't care.

Joey Bowen:

Like Right.

Drew Beech:

The worry muscles, I don't care about anymore.

Ali Capra:

And if you're looking for, like, a like, a legit training program to, like, figure out, okay, how do I get better at BJJ? Just go to chat gpt, man. That he'll pull something up for you so fast.

Joey Bowen:

Trust the chat gpts.

Drew Beech:

But now we're going back into

Ali Capra:

the Yeah.

Drew Beech:

The matrix.

Ali Capra:

No. It's it's awesome. And I and I I do I really believe that it's, like, I think it can be for everyone, especially if you're weird.

Drew Beech:

Yeah.

Ali Capra:

Yeah. If you're smart and you're weird Yeah. And, like, you wanna learn how to, like, solve problems.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Not saying anything, but But.

Ali Capra:

But if you're on the spectrum There are

Ali Capra:

a lot

Joey Bowen:

of people.

Ali Capra:

It's for you.

Ali Capra:

There are a

Joey Bowen:

lot of people.

Drew Beech:

It's funny. I I always say movement moving out of my school is, like, the like, a black hole. Like, unless you go in during the daytime, you got something to do. It's, like, dangerous because you I was on Ally. Like, everyone you always get one more role there, and then then the hang is coming after the whole.

Drew Beech:

Like like because these are people on your wavelength. Right? Like, we're all we're we're doing hard things. We're, like

Ali Capra:

Totally fine. We're sweating your mouth.

Drew Beech:

We're reading books. We're reading books. We're we're challenging the status quo. We're thinking outside of, like, where a lot of us are conspiracy theorists. Like

Ali Capra:

Yeah.

Drew Beech:

It is what it is. But,

Ali Capra:

Especially after 2020, like, if you're doing speakeasy jujitsu

Drew Beech:

Oh my god.

Ali Capra:

Like, now you know they're your people.

Drew Beech:

We missed that way. We we saw I was gonna definitely doing,

Nick Koumalatsos:

like, backdoor newspaper window jujitsu

Joey Bowen:

for sure. Tail end of it. Some of my some of my teammates have stories, from, like, mid 2020. They took Matt out of the gym, and they put them on their front lawns.

Ali Capra:

Yep. And

Joey Bowen:

they were doing front lawn jiu jitsu. The little brothers, CJO, front lawn jiu jitsu. Their neighbors called the cops. Oh. Like, they have all these crazy stories.

Drew Beech:

I'm low key grateful to not have started until after that because I would've been seriously, like, what the fuck am I gonna do?

Ali Capra:

Like, I

Drew Beech:

train, like, pretty much every day.

Nick Koumalatsos:

But see, there's always somebody. Yeah. We were they're like, this might get a lot of hate, but they were like, well, if there is this COVID thing, at least we'll all roll together. We'll all get it at the same time. It'll be good on the back end.

Joey Bowen:

Positive. It's positive.

Nick Koumalatsos:

They were looking for somebody. They're having, like, COVID parties looking for somebody to get sick so they can just get it done.

Joey Bowen:

My god. Philly was Philly was wild. First of all, you know, the, the city itself still hasn't fully recovered from those years.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Of course. Yeah. From a

Joey Bowen:

from an economic standpoint, it puts so many

Nick Koumalatsos:

has recovered.

Joey Bowen:

Put put so many small businesses out of business, especially in the restaurant industry in Philly, but, it was it was wild. Yeah. And it continued for a long time to the point where, you know, they tried to impose mandates in late I think it was summer 23, was it? And then finally, the city just laughed, and they were like, look. We can't we can't be doing this.

Nick Koumalatsos:

We're done. Yeah.

Joey Bowen:

But, it was it was a super, super wild place. So when I started, even then at Martinez, we had COVID enforcement coming into the gym while we were training.

Nick Koumalatsos:

That's crazy.

Joey Bowen:

They had literally, like you ever see a safety vest, you know, like Yeah. PGW gas company or whatever, safety vest on, COVID enforcement on the back coming into the gyms.

Nick Koumalatsos:

See, that's where I start putting back.

Joey Bowen:

Because at that point, we didn't we were just, like, whatever. Like, the windows are fogging off. Like, everything's they were walking in.

Nick Koumalatsos:

That's where my tentacle full hat does go on, and I'm like, what does this turn into?

Ali Capra:

Yeah.

Drew Beech:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was wild. That

Nick Koumalatsos:

was dystopian thing. So we

Joey Bowen:

missed we missed the heart of you and I missed, like, the 2020 part

Ali Capra:

of it,

Joey Bowen:

but we got the 2021 part.

Ali Capra:

You know

Joey Bowen:

what I mean? Or 2020 still hard.

Drew Beech:

I will say that, like, that's back to the tinfoil hats up, but, like, that's where I realized that no one was coming to save me and the government doesn't give a fuck about me because my that's why it's hard for us to homeschool right now because, my wife's an entrepreneur

Ali Capra:

as well.

Drew Beech:

We have an all ladies fitness facility in Philadelphia. And we were on our last doll our last rent payment before the they let us the they let us open up. Right? They gave us permission to run to run our business because being in business is hard enough on a daily basis. Let alone someone telling you we were we're hanging on the TV.

Drew Beech:

Like, are we gonna be allowed to open today? Like, if I could go back, I would just have fuck you and open and run. Yeah.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Well, then you would have been in my situation.

Joey Bowen:

Yeah. Got rid

Nick Koumalatsos:

they got raided by the cops. Right.

Drew Beech:

And we were so we were, like, so nerve like, isn't that crazy?

Nick Koumalatsos:

In a town of 25100 people, we got raided. Like, imagine what would happen up here.

Drew Beech:

Yeah. They they were doing that. Like, our friends we have, like, friend, friendly gym owners, and, like, we me I mean, him would talk all the time because it's like, yo. What are you doing? What are you like, just to make sure we're on the same page.

Drew Beech:

And he's like, dude, I can't do anymore. I gotta open up. And he was, like, literally had cops to his door the next day. Yeah. And we had cops come.

Drew Beech:

We were on outdoor workouts for the girls. Like and even cops would come to that. And it's like, where's our free will? Like, at what point did

Ali Capra:

we get

Drew Beech:

wanna be there, though.

Joey Bowen:

Those officers didn't wanna be there.

Drew Beech:

At what point do we have to think for ourselves, though, and and and figure out when we think it's dangerous for our for ourselves?

Joey Bowen:

That time 2020 was a wild year. Wow. It was a wild year for us because that was our hockey stick year. You know? There was so much, like, so much going on.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Yeah. We met with we met with our, like, all all the partners sat down and we're, like, so this COVID thing. And we basically all just came down, like, we're gonna skip it. Cool. Alright.

Nick Koumalatsos:

We're on the same page. We're skipping it.

Joey Bowen:

Opt out.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Yeah. We're opting out. Alright.

Ali Capra:

We're opting out.

Joey Bowen:

It was such a it was such a weird thing and weird time. The thing that really woke me up was the liquor control board in Pennsylvania Same. For the first time allowed home delivery of alcohol

Nick Koumalatsos:

Never shut down.

Joey Bowen:

And we were unable to go outside in the sunlight, in the fresh air.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Yep. But booze is okay because they don't wanna go well.

Joey Bowen:

Come to the house. And that was too detailed. As weird as it sounds, that was the thing that just, like Yep. Flipped the switch at me. I was like, this is fucked up.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Yep. Yeah. It makes no sense.

Joey Bowen:

You're not saying that people aren't sick. Not saying that people aren't dying, whatever. But this, this is something else. Yeah.

Ali Capra:

Yeah. North Carolina is Navy, Sea State, so they control the liquor.

Drew Beech:

Yeah.

Ali Capra:

So that was always open. That never stopped, you know. Yeah.

Drew Beech:

It's bullshit.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Yeah. So about on jiu jitsu, you have a very funny thing about us in jiu jitsu kind of asking your question.

Joey Bowen:

Yeah.

Ali Capra:

Oh, is it about the question he asked? Yeah. Oh, just about our jiu jitsu situation?

Nick Koumalatsos:

Our jiu jitsu. You have a

Ali Capra:

It's just I just think it's funny because people ask us, like, do you guys train together and and it's like, no.

Drew Beech:

You guys don't train at all?

Ali Capra:

I mean, we do some. Yeah. But it's not that often, and it's kind of, like, funny because it is kind of, like, our own experience. We drive separately to the same class in the morning. Really?

Ali Capra:

I get it.

Ali Capra:

Because he skips warm ups.

Drew Beech:

As you should.

Joey Bowen:

He's a true purple belt? He should as a purple belt. Don't worry about

Ali Capra:

I just got my purple belt. So I just

Joey Bowen:

You've already been up. You've stretched already.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Listen. Here's the deal, man. Like, I'm I'm not going there for, you know, calisthenics and,

Drew Beech:

we start in position.

Ali Capra:

He doesn't like our

Nick Koumalatsos:

long skipping and, like, I I can't get down.

Drew Beech:

Forward rolls. I'm

Nick Koumalatsos:

listening, dude. I'm not

Joey Bowen:

Well, I'm not a kick. We don't do that. We we do, like, fit ins, hand fighting. We'll run around

Ali Capra:

that a

Joey Bowen:

couple times.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Like that. Okay. Listen, Tom Tom kinda set me straight a little over a year ago.

Ali Capra:

He's like Tom's

Nick Koumalatsos:

a blast? Yeah. He was like, your your your journey is your journey now. Like, at the purple belt level, you just your journey. So I actually have I get privates.

Nick Koumalatsos:

And then what I do is I just I get I get the stuff that I get from my privates and I just all week, I'm in the lab working on that.

Joey Bowen:

Yeah. Working on

Ali Capra:

it.

Nick Koumalatsos:

And then I repeat, and then I work on that, and then I repeat and work

Joey Bowen:

on that. That's I totally get the thing, like, driving separately and your own experiences. I see.

Ali Capra:

And sometimes at the end of class, I haven't seen them the whole time. We're there together. I haven't even looked at it. And I'm, like, hey. I'm headed home.

Ali Capra:

You're like, right. Rest me

Ali Capra:

on the 1st. Damn. I get it. Yeah.

Joey Bowen:

I I get that.

Drew Beech:

Now so if it's like if you guys are getting roles in, like, rounds and after the class, it's like if you guys, like, are on the same restaurant, like, will will you guys train

Joey Bowen:

If you lock eyes, do you

Drew Beech:

just look away?

Joey Bowen:

No. Just Or

Drew Beech:

or is or is Nick like this?

Nick Koumalatsos:

Yeah. I I'm I'm looking away and

Ali Capra:

she's like

Ali Capra:

I every once in a while, I like to roll with him. Here's the truth. He is harder on me than any other dude in that gym.

Drew Beech:

Oh, yeah.

Ali Capra:

He is harder on me. Bullshit.

Drew Beech:

Any other dude

Ali Capra:

in that gym. Bullshit.

Ali Capra:

He just won't let me play games. He won't let me He's

Nick Koumalatsos:

like, why are you being so mean? I'm like, me being mean? You're awful. All the guys know so.

Ali Capra:

He sweeps me from standing like as hard like like, it looks like my feet are in there half the time. Everybody's, like, woah. You okay? I'm, like, he's tough on me, man. He don't mess around.

Ali Capra:

So we do

Nick Koumalatsos:

She's super aggressive. That's why. She just Yeah.

Drew Beech:

That's that's My wife and I roll at home sometimes, and it's, like, she just turn they turn it up to another level. I know.

Joey Bowen:

Why? I mean,

Drew Beech:

man, I just wanted to practice garbage engine for a few minutes. Like, you don't have

Ali Capra:

to Yeah.

Drew Beech:

Because you're like, you smash past me. Like Right. She's like, my elbow dropping me in the driveway. That's exactly what I'm dealing with.

Ali Capra:

Oh my god.

Nick Koumalatsos:

I literally

Drew Beech:

just wanted to try something.

Ali Capra:

I just feel like you're I'm

Nick Koumalatsos:

trying to I'm trying to train here. Yeah. And next thing I know, I'm in a WWE match. Yeah.

Ali Capra:

I mean, you almost have

Ali Capra:

a £100 on me. Almost. I feel like so in my mind, I'm like, he can handle it.

Ali Capra:

Yeah.

Ali Capra:

You know?

Joey Bowen:

There you go. Makes sense to me.

Ali Capra:

Makes sense.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Everybody knows the truth. All all the guys know the truth.

Ali Capra:

But he is really hard on me. So we laugh about it because I mean, I I definitely I train a lot. And so I try to, like, keep my training as like like you said.

Nick Koumalatsos:

And she's competing a lot. So, like, she's we're planning for no gi worlds and Mhmm. So

Ali Capra:

So I just try to, like, really focus on our game, and then we'll sit around and talk about stuff after. But, like, it isn't it isn't, like, our thing. You know? Like, it's not our thing. It's our thing.

Drew Beech:

At the dinner table, though, the jiu jitsu discussions have to, like like, that's gotta happen.

Ali Capra:

He usually gets so annoyed because I talk about it all the time.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Do you have anything else to talk about?

Ali Capra:

Oh, that's hilarious.

Drew Beech:

Like, I'll be like, man, do you

Ali Capra:

see this?

Nick Koumalatsos:

This is Yeah.

Ali Capra:

I know.

Nick Koumalatsos:

This this is like some counseling shit we we got to go through. Yeah.

Ali Capra:

Yeah. It's great. It's great. I honestly probably talk more about it with my brother because he's like he Is

Drew Beech:

he a brown belt?

Ali Capra:

My brother not yet. He's not yet,

Ali Capra:

but his gym is 9

Nick Koumalatsos:

9 year purple ball.

Ali Capra:

He's he's at 9 years. Yep. Right. He's a purple ball at 9 years.

Drew Beech:

We all learn journeys though.

Ali Capra:

And his coach is they're, like, very old school. They don't do stripes.

Drew Beech:

Yeah. I like that.

Ali Capra:

They'll tell you when you're ready. It's not attendance based. It's, like, I'll let you know what you need to work on, and then we'll

Joey Bowen:

I couldn't, like, I couldn't do that attendance based thing. I couldn't do it. I I want

Drew Beech:

I was on there. I did it for a a a stint, and, I've same thing. I was like, I had to, like, wake up. I'm like, dude, like, what is this play? Like, what is this?

Drew Beech:

What are we doing here?

Ali Capra:

Like, I

Drew Beech:

was like, I'm gonna get to a black belt one day and just, like, not be one professional in my jujitsu or

Nick Koumalatsos:

some 4 stripe blue belt. Exactly.

Drew Beech:

And that was your thing. I was like, there has to be something more to do with that.

Joey Bowen:

Like that was it wasn't earned.

Drew Beech:

Yeah. Exactly.

Joey Bowen:

That was earned.

Drew Beech:

Exactly. I didn't wanna get to black belt and not be proud.

Ali Capra:

You know

Drew Beech:

what I mean? Right.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Of course.

Drew Beech:

Yeah. So the, and the school

Nick Koumalatsos:

You have to have all the injuries and all the issues.

Joey Bowen:

Well, I like them all.

Nick Koumalatsos:

You gotta collect them all along the way. Yeah.

Drew Beech:

It's a 9 day difference from where I train now because, like, people travel from all over the country in the world to train at Movement under Danny and Nick. And it's like the fact that it was in my backyard and I wasn't going there. Like, their level Now

Nick Koumalatsos:

jiu jitsu sucks again.

Drew Beech:

Exactly. Yeah. Sean can, attest to this, but the even the white belts there that you've started at Movement as a white belt, like, you're just already, like, super great. Yeah.

Ali Capra:

You get

Nick Koumalatsos:

your ass

Drew Beech:

beat by everyone.

Nick Koumalatsos:

That's where people come to us. Like, when we had one of one of my clients turned into an employee, he came from a gym in Northern Virginia.

Ali Capra:

Mhmm.

Nick Koumalatsos:

He came in. He was a blue belt. He's like, I don't think I should be aware of this belt here. He's like, you guys are serious.

Drew Beech:

Yeah. Exactly.

Joey Bowen:

We we've had, at least one guy I know of that has come to Martinez. He started there, took a break, went somewhere else, got his blue belt, came back to Martinez. First week, he handed his belt back in, took a white belt back.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Damn.

Joey Bowen:

Handed it in. But no. Voluntarily. Yeah.

Nick Koumalatsos:

But what does that but

Ali Capra:

what did I don't I don't I don't

Nick Koumalatsos:

I don't What did Martinez say?

Drew Beech:

He had to say that.

Nick Koumalatsos:

He was

Drew Beech:

at He suck it. Really?

Nick Koumalatsos:

Oh, shit.

Joey Bowen:

It was it was this guy voluntarily surrendered it.

Drew Beech:

That was also a little bit suspect. A little bit suspect that he, like, kinda dipped out and came back. Yeah. So I get that.

Nick Koumalatsos:

I I wanna do that. I don't want any of them.

Ali Capra:

Yeah. I don't want any of them.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Yeah. I don't want any of them.

Joey Bowen:

That's basically how I feel every Tuesday Thursday.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Nobody's gonna nobody from the gym's probably will watch this, hopefully. I went in I don't know if I should say this. I went in and deleted all of my attendance.

Joey Bowen:

Did you really?

Nick Koumalatsos:

Yeah. Because I'm like, I don't want like, I'm on a journey. 2028.

Ali Capra:

Yeah.

Nick Koumalatsos:

You know? 2028 brown belt. That's that's where I'm at. Let's see

Ali Capra:

what Tom says.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Yeah. Tom's a fucker.

Drew Beech:

That's good. That's,

Joey Bowen:

because it so he can We gotta get we gotta get down there. I I wanna get down there.

Ali Capra:

It's so close.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Dude, you you will realize you don't know jujitsu. We had it. Like, last night sucked. Yeah.

Ali Capra:

I had it.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Sucked so bad. I got beat up by, like, a 20 year old, like, per like blue belt.

Drew Beech:

Yeah.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Like, destroyed. So did Mark. Just absolutely. He tapped you like what? Like, 7 times in 5 minutes?

Nick Koumalatsos:

Yeah. Yeah. We had,

Joey Bowen:

on Wednesday, a wrestling practice on Wednesday for me. On Wednesday, we had 2 young guys from Ocean County come up. Young

Nick Koumalatsos:

Different breed. Right? Yeah.

Joey Bowen:

They're in college.

Drew Beech:

Yeah.

Joey Bowen:

And obviously, they're wrestling in college. But, you know, polite, unassuming Of course. But different different breed. Yeah. Different breed.

Joey Bowen:

I was like, where you got? What's what brings you to the area? Oh, we're down with Tom. You know? Down I said, oh, okay.

Joey Bowen:

I get it now. Sweet.

Ali Capra:

I got there's this thing I gotta go to, so

Nick Koumalatsos:

you guys gotta I gotta get out of

Drew Beech:

built. Right? I'm just like, as soon as he collar tied, I was like, damn, I never was yelling.

Joey Bowen:

You know that. You know that.

Drew Beech:

I immediately pulled. I was like, this is not Yeah.

Nick Koumalatsos:

You're not gonna out. Yeah. Just Come out. Just bail.

Drew Beech:

And, I was like, damn. I got I was like, tell him my coach, like, if I beat my ass, like, he said, is there a college wrestler? So, like, yeah. It's okay. Like Yeah.

Drew Beech:

It's just your kids in wrestling. Yeah.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Yeah. You'll help him later. That's where

Drew Beech:

that's where my son started, but he I mean, I'm playing the long game. I want a a collegiate wrestler maybe one day, like, I'm hoping hoping for. But,

Ali Capra:

There's a

Ali Capra:

lot of opportunity. I tell you my cousin was a national heavyweight champ for Missouri. Mhmm. And he got asked, like, he had a 5 offers right out the gate. 1, he got asked because he also played football to the Cleveland Browns, asked him to be on the team and, like, just, like, start, like, at bottom level.

Ali Capra:

He got asked for WWE contract because he was so big and everything. And then he got asked to do, like, come to strike force, like, in AKA when it first stood up. And so that's what he did. But it was, like, he got a bunch of opportunities just from winning Yeah.

Ali Capra:

Yeah.

Ali Capra:

You know, at wrestling.

Drew Beech:

Well, so he started wrestling when he was, like, 4. And now he's doing jujitsu. I junior grade belt to go up to a year or so. But he loves jujitsu. I don't know if it's because it's a slight it's, like, a little bit it's more like chess and, like, a game and wrestling is more He's 9 years

Ali Capra:

old and

Nick Koumalatsos:

he loves with it.

Drew Beech:

Exactly. So I'm like, I'm not even pushing wrestling. I was like, why are you into wrestling this season? He's like, he's like, no. I'm good.

Drew Beech:

I'll just do jiu jitsu. I'm like, alright.

Joey Bowen:

Well, I don't jiu jitsu.

Drew Beech:

Exactly. No. I didn't.

Nick Koumalatsos:

No. Yeah.

Joey Bowen:

Very cool. I was gonna ask you how jiu jitsu's changed your lives. If you train together, Would you recommend somebody start jiu jitsu? I think we covered all of those questions. Yeah.

Drew Beech:

So Dimitri was trying to say that?

Nick Koumalatsos:

Dude, yes. I gotta give credit where credit's due here. So he's 4 now. She didn't want him to wait till, like I think we started 5.

Ali Capra:

Mhmm.

Nick Koumalatsos:

She didn't want him to wait till 5. So she started a toddler jiu jitsu program. So the kids started

Ali Capra:

at 2.

Ali Capra:

2. 2. 2a half.

Drew Beech:

Like gymnastics stuff too.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Yeah. Yeah. Really just like base. Zombie.

Ali Capra:

Yeah. Forward rolls. Bare crawl.

Drew Beech:

Reason not to.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Yeah. Yeah. Belly, back takes thing, but he knows all of it now. And now he's, like, they're aggressive. He's aggressively rolling.

Ali Capra:

You know,

Drew Beech:

and his little bitty gis, like, rolled up here. Yeah. It's rolled up here.

Joey Bowen:

Send him out with the roosters, dude.

Nick Koumalatsos:

And,

Ali Capra:

grabbed him.

Nick Koumalatsos:

You've seen him. He'll pick him up.

Drew Beech:

Some Rocky style shit. Yeah.

Nick Koumalatsos:

He can catch a chicken better than I can. I don't know. He's like sneaky about it. I don't know.

Ali Capra:

Slow to the ground.

Joey Bowen:

And he's Yeah. Yeah. He's yeah. I was gonna say, he's got that bad in his face. But

Nick Koumalatsos:

but, yes, she started, and they and that's what they they run that. And, so he's been 2 years, and now he's about to move up to the to the little kids. He's he's early on the other class.

Joey Bowen:

Yeah.

Nick Koumalatsos:

But he's he's just He's gotta

Ali Capra:

go.

Nick Koumalatsos:

He's he's done so he's done so well in in her class Mhmm. That they're like the coach, like, it's probably close to time to for him to move up.

Drew Beech:

That's cool.

Ali Capra:

Nice.

Drew Beech:

And, So no belt to that toddler class. Right?

Ali Capra:

No. They they wear a little white belt, but we give them their first stripe when they get out. Move up. So, like, we have had our first troop of

Joey Bowen:

But, dude, 2

Nick Koumalatsos:

years, think about this kid. He started jujitsu at 2. What is he gonna be at 16? Oh, yeah. Like, I'm fucked.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Yeah. Like, it's over. I'm be I'm be in my

Ali Capra:

50 kilos.

Drew Beech:

That's what I'm saying.

Joey Bowen:

The thing is, you're raising them. Right? So you're not gonna have any concerns.

Nick Koumalatsos:

No. No concerns.

Joey Bowen:

Much less.

Nick Koumalatsos:

A 16 year old

Ali Capra:

yourself. Other than

Ali Capra:

him kicking your ass. Yeah.

Nick Koumalatsos:

That's what I'm saying. Like, that's that's what I'm worried about.

Joey Bowen:

Not even getting into that altercation.

Drew Beech:

No. Maybe that's what I say all the time. You're like, by the time he gets I'll I'll say 12 parts of the beat my ass because, like, not only has he just been training, but he's been working out every day too.

Nick Koumalatsos:

When he's 16, how old will I be?

Ali Capra:

How old are you now? 42?

Nick Koumalatsos:

42.

Ali Capra:

And that's 12 years?

Ali Capra:

Yeah. 54?

Nick Koumalatsos:

I'm fucked.

Drew Beech:

You're good.

Ali Capra:

I don't know. Like, we've

Nick Koumalatsos:

actually start taking a lot of

Ali Capra:

years. Get

Ali Capra:

your guard.

Drew Beech:

Get your guard. Yeah. I, to that point about the, attendance based stuff, that was what really drove me away was my with Parker because he was getting the stripes every 10th or, every 10th class.

Joey Bowen:

Right? Message, bro.

Drew Beech:

Once a month once a month, he had a stripe.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Because it kinda goes back to that participation trophy. That's a

Drew Beech:

lot of stuff. To, like he's, like, I'm gonna get a stripe today. I'm, like, how do you know? Like, have you been working hard? Have you been doing practicing what they teach you?

Drew Beech:

Like, doing all these things? Like, no. I just it's my 10th class. It's been a month. I'm like

Ali Capra:

Oh, man.

Drew Beech:

And I'm like, dude. Like, I was like, I gotta I have what am I teaching my son? Like, I and I was like, that's when he was about to get his gray belt. He's literally on his last track when his on his junior gray belt. And I we switched to the new school, and, like, he probably has another year or 2 of learning their system and and applying it.

Drew Beech:

That's great.

Ali Capra:

Yeah. And

Drew Beech:

you're just like You're just in it. And now he's just going to jiu jitsu every other day just doing it. And, like, he he doesn't think about stripes. They're literally just removed from his brain. Yep.

Drew Beech:

And he's just, like, learning the the art.

Ali Capra:

I like that.

Joey Bowen:

Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. So what, what do you have coming up for Johnny Slick, Aogogi? Is there anything coming up that you want the community to know about?

Drew Beech:

I

Nick Koumalatsos:

don't know what's

Joey Bowen:

Or at least even where to find all these great things that you've

Nick Koumalatsos:

You find everything through me or johnnyslicks.com. But, yeah, like, all of all of our entrepreneur business coaching is through the Aogogi, helping businesses grow there. The stuff I work with, you know, I I'm also, actually, you said you want some of the guys that that works in the corner here is with Core. So I'm managing partner of Core Medical Group. It's a national HRT clinic for for men and women, optimizing their health because your GP doesn't know, the VA doesn't know.

Nick Koumalatsos:

And, so we've been I've been working I've been a managing partner with them for 6 years now. And, so amazing things happening with that. We've got a big military appreciation weekend that everybody's invited to when we have it's capped, but, but that will open up this week. And, we have an GoGe live event.

Ali Capra:

This might already be

Nick Koumalatsos:

This might already be happening, but, well, there'll be another one, 2025. And then, yeah, Johnny Slick's Black Friday is coming up. When is this gonna air?

Joey Bowen:

Yeah. Couple weeks.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Oh, it'll be after.

Joey Bowen:

Dang.

Nick Koumalatsos:

So Johnny Slick's Black Friday is coming up. So if you haven't tried Johnny Slick's, that's a great time to try it. Time.

Drew Beech:

2, 3 weeks, I would say. Probably about by the end

Ali Capra:

of the time.

Nick Koumalatsos:

By Friday. Yeah.

Ali Capra:

So use code black Friday, 25% off at johnnyslick.com.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Alright. Do that. And, I don't know what else. That's about it.

Ali Capra:

We do a huge 12 days of slickness and Oh, that's fine. We guys get it's kinda fun because we do

Ali Capra:

it with you guys as well.

Drew Beech:

Yeah. We do

Ali Capra:

it with you guys

Ali Capra:

as well. Yeah.

Ali Capra:

We always give, like, a big American made giveaway. Yeah.

Nick Koumalatsos:

We're doing something with them this

Ali Capra:

year. I hope so.

Drew Beech:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Joey Bowen:

We're doing something together. I'll see if we can do

Ali Capra:

something bigger than

Nick Koumalatsos:

last year.

Ali Capra:

Is, toe hold. So they're gonna give our flip flops away,

Ali Capra:

and we're gonna do

Ali Capra:

cold feet. So we'll have a big American

Nick Koumalatsos:

owned company.

Joey Bowen:

Maybe we'll get Tim from Good Works involved in it, too. Okay. Yesterday, I was sketching, things. I won't say exactly what it is, but for

Nick Koumalatsos:

them, we're

Ali Capra:

talking about slick misty. Yeah. Yeah.

Ali Capra:

Oh, I

Joey Bowen:

can't wait. Slickness. Yeah.

Ali Capra:

So

Ali Capra:

yeah. And they're doing our our our slickness The funniest thing

Nick Koumalatsos:

I mean, yeah. Sales are great. Sure. Whatever. Funniest thing about slickness is the videos that their team that her team comes up with.

Ali Capra:

Yeah. Yeah. Like, it's

Nick Koumalatsos:

it's freaking it's every day for 12 days.

Joey Bowen:

I thought you were gonna call

Nick Koumalatsos:

it the

Joey Bowen:

beast and the beast costume now, man.

Nick Koumalatsos:

That's not me.

Ali Capra:

It's Johnny.

Nick Koumalatsos:

It's Johnny. That's Johnny. That's Johnny.

Drew Beech:

It was a Demetri was he in

Ali Capra:

a little

Nick Koumalatsos:

Yeah. We got a little we got a little

Ali Capra:

That was, by the way, one of the coolest things we did this year was we sponsored the ADCC, and that

Drew Beech:

was super fun.

Nick Koumalatsos:

That was fun.

Ali Capra:

So, yeah, we're doing a huge day. 12 days of slickness. It starts December 5th through December 16th, and every day, there's a different deal or giveaway or whatever. So if you come on johnnyslicks.com any of December 5th through 16th, you'll just get to see, like, whatever we're doing that day, deals, whatever.

Ali Capra:

Nice.

Joey Bowen:

Nice. I'll see you at, Military Appreciation Week this year next year.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Nice.

Joey Bowen:

Right?

Nick Koumalatsos:

Yeah. So

Joey Bowen:

and Tim Tim will be there as well.

Drew Beech:

Awesome.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Yeah. So I guess it's gonna be a huge freaking concert. There's bunch of celebrities coming in.

Joey Bowen:

He's been Tim's been going. Yeah. So he's, you know, he's obviously, I said he's hooked up with Korn Mad.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Bring your gi, bro.

Joey Bowen:

Yeah. Yeah. We're gonna be we're

Nick Koumalatsos:

I'm bringing all my mass down. We'll run the jujitsu portion of that. Nice. And, yeah, it's gonna be a good time.

Ali Capra:

Yeah.

Joey Bowen:

It's gonna be gonna be epic. Can't wait for it.

Drew Beech:

I was gonna say, mention the thing we're working on with our friends over at Origin.

Joey Bowen:

It's being

Drew Beech:

the bees.

Joey Bowen:

Oh, yes. Yeah.

Ali Capra:

I don't know about this.

Drew Beech:

Yeah. No one knows.

Ali Capra:

What are

Joey Bowen:

we gonna do? We gonna drop

Ali Capra:

it here?

Drew Beech:

We we we gonna drop it. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I was

Joey Bowen:

that was about the game. In January, there is a, a collaboration between

Drew Beech:

Shut the fuck.

Joey Bowen:

Between us and and our gen. It's been a long it's been a long time.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Congratulations.

Drew Beech:

It's been a

Ali Capra:

lot of exciting,

Joey Bowen:

so Pete

Nick Koumalatsos:

Pete is a is a great dude, man. Good dude. Yeah. He's a great dude.

Joey Bowen:

We've spoken over the past year, probably different, you know, like, different capacities. And then, they reach out to us couple weeks ago, actually, and we planned some for January. So it's gonna be amazing. Yeah. It's gonna be amazing.

Nick Koumalatsos:

I you guys gotta get to to, immersion camp.

Joey Bowen:

We we were talking about

Ali Capra:

that on

Joey Bowen:

the when we were on the call.

Nick Koumalatsos:

I know I know it's hard I know it's hard because it's

Drew Beech:

I get major phone number every time I see you. I I lived through like, my character's like, you guys' stories. Like, it's

Nick Koumalatsos:

it's a lot. I mean, you're talking about world class

Ali Capra:

Yeah.

Nick Koumalatsos:

World class professors.

Joey Bowen:

Yep. Yeah.

Drew Beech:

You know? Great guys.

Ali Capra:

The whole

Nick Koumalatsos:

thing is just a great week. Yeah.

Joey Bowen:

We'll make it we'll make it there for sure.

Drew Beech:

I actually asked the one guy from RJ, and I was like, what's the the ASP from Jason Khalipa like? How does that feel? Yes.

Ali Capra:

It was really awesome.

Nick Koumalatsos:

He's I'll say this. He's strong. Yeah.

Drew Beech:

That's awesome. Yeah.

Joey Bowen:

He's Super athletic.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Super athletic, and he's very, very strong.

Ali Capra:

So we super fit so he can go They're

Joey Bowen:

hard to

Ali Capra:

deal with. Deal with.

Drew Beech:

That's weird. You have

Joey Bowen:

a gas tank, and you have, like, Will.

Nick Koumalatsos:

And when he when he grabs when he grabs a hold of you, he's got a hold of you.

Ali Capra:

Yeah.

Drew Beech:

I always say that I think that's it makes it learning jiu jitsu so much easier for a person of that, tenacity or or skill a size, strength, and Yeah.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Like that, you won't definitely want no gi because

Drew Beech:

Because you can just slip out. You can also it allows you to buy time to learn.

Nick Koumalatsos:

You I

Drew Beech:

mean, like, if I can control you, I can I can learn things? That's right.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Yeah. Slow shit down.

Joey Bowen:

Exactly. Alright. So where, where can the community not that they don't know right now, but where can they find you on social media or on the interwebs

Nick Koumalatsos:

Good luck.

Joey Bowen:

As we as we close out.

Nick Koumalatsos:

Nick cumulatos

Ali Capra:

Okay.

Nick Koumalatsos:

And then Alison Capra.

Ali Capra:

Alison Capra and then johnnyslicks.com or johnnyslicks on Instagram.

Nick Koumalatsos:

If you started even talking about Johnny Slicks, we're gonna find you.

Ali Capra:

Yeah. I have

Ali Capra:

to start

Drew Beech:

coming in. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Joey Bowen:

We're gonna get you.

Drew Beech:

You're gonna

Joey Bowen:

get you. Yeah. I get you. I get you on that. This was, this was great.

Joey Bowen:

Like we said in the beginning of the show, long time coming. Long time coming.

Ali Capra:

So thank

Joey Bowen:

you for coming out. Podcast. On the show. It may be. We could definitely go longer, but we have roles.

Nick Koumalatsos:

We were just getting started,

Drew Beech:

but we got.

Joey Bowen:

Beaten to get. Yeah. We have as beaten to get. So, so thank you again, both of you, for coming through.

Nick Koumalatsos:

You guys.

Ali Capra:

You want

Joey Bowen:

me to sign off? Yeah. Oh, I thought you were a guy. Saw it, like, a little No. No.

Joey Bowen:

Move from you.

Ali Capra:

I was

Joey Bowen:

like, wait a second. Let me leave the few with a reminder. Always choose hard work over handouts. Always choose effort over entitlement. Remember, no one owns you.

Joey Bowen:

No one owes you. You're one of the few. Now let's hunt.