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The Heartland Institute’s Donald Kendal, Jim Lakely, and Justin Haskins present episode 468 of the In The Tank Podcast. As the election approaches, it appears as though the mainstream media industry is desperate to paint Kamala Harris in the best light possible. For example, it appears as though 60 Minutes selectively edited their interview with VP and presidential candidate Kamala Harris to make her come off in as good a light as possible. Simultaneously, the White House Press Secretary accused correspondent Peter Doocy of spreading misinformation for simply asking a question about the Biden Administration's handling of the response to Hurricane Helene. The ITT crew talks about all this and more on this week's episode.
Kamala's 60 Mins Interview
NYP - Kamala Harris is unable to answer basic questions on ‘60 Minutes’
The Federalist - Unlike Biden In 2020, Kamala Harris’ Radicalism Is Too Extreme To Hide
Biden/Harris Rift?
AP News - Biden pledged to campaign hard for Harris. So far, he’s been mostly a no-show
https://apnews.com/article/biden-harris-lame-duck-joint-campaigning-79496a704736e8965010eea3bb6b6b5d
NYP - Biden praises ‘cooperative’ DeSantis one day after Harris moaned Fla. gov snubbed her post-Helene phone call
Questioning Hurricane Response = Misinfo (KJP clip)
MSN - ‘Excuse Me?’: Doocy Pushes Back At KJP As She Accuses Him Of Spreading ‘Misinformation’
NYP - Citing the Biden-Harris admin’s own FEMA facts isn’t misinformation, Karine Jean-Pierre
AI and Health Care
Fierce Health Care - Some doctors are using public AI chatbots like ChatGPT in clinical decisions. Is it safe?
Nature - Google AI has better bedside manner than human doctors--and makes better diagnoses
MedRXiv - Influence of a Large Language Model on Diagnostic Reasoning: A Randomized Clinical Vignette Study
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And we are live, ladies and gentlemen. As the election approaches, it appears as though the mainstream media industry is desperate to paint Kamala Harris in the best light possible. For example, it appears as though 60 minutes may have selectively edited their interview with the VP and presidential candidate, Kamala Harris, to make her come off in as good a light as possible. Simultaneously, the White House press secretary accused correspondent Peter Doocy of spreading misinformation for simply asking questions about the Biden administration's handling of the response to hurricane Helene? And lastly, how much do you trust artificial intelligence in making health care decisions for you?
Donald Kendal:We're gonna be talking about all this and more in episode 400 and 68 of the in the tank podcast.
Kamala Harris:I can imagine what can be and be unburdened by what has been. You know?
Donald Kendal:That is right. Yes. Welcome to the In The Tank podcast. As always, I'm your host, Donald Kendall. Joining me today, I've got Jim Likely, VP of the Heartland Institute.
Donald Kendal:How are you doing today, good sir?
Jim Lakely:I'm doing just great. I am glad, that you pulled off a perfect intro, and I, you know, I, you know, I enjoy watching the intro videos, and I was hoping you you would pick the, that one of our 2 Kamala, intro drops instead of the because we've been doing the coconut tree one a little too much, so I think it was nice of you. Good decision to go back the other way. And, I am looking for we may even have another rant off again this week on the show between me and Justin. We will see.
Donald Kendal:We will see. Spoilers, Justin Haskins is also joining us, senior fellow here at the Emerging Issue Center at the Heartland Institute. How are you doing today, good sir?
Justin Haskins:Doing good. Thanks for having me. Short and sweet. We Pretty off on that one, didn't I? I did.
Donald Kendal:I was waiting. I was buckling in. I was gonna have a sandwich over here while you introed yourself, but, we do have a lot to get to, so I appreciate the brevity of your little intro statement there. Before we get going, though, I do have to put out that message that I put at the beginning of all of these episodes. And, first, that is a call to our audio only listeners that are catching the show probably on a Friday or later.
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Donald Kendal:All those things help break through those big tech algorithms and prevent content like this from being shown to more people. But, lot to talk about. As you see in the sidebar that is, being taken up by Kamala Harris' face, we've got a bunch of different topics that we're gonna get to. So I don't wanna spend too much time, just chit chatting. And I wanna talk first about Kamala's, appearance on 60 minutes.
Donald Kendal:So I think this interview does a great job of showing 2 things in particular. 1, how shallow and unsophisticated Kamala's policy proposals are, and 2, how much the media is willing to carry water for her campaign. But before we get into that, I do want to ask, your thoughts on something. Does it feel to you like the Harris campaign is floundering? So much of what I have to say on this first topic is based on this premise that the Harris campaign is struggling.
Donald Kendal:And I've been saying this for a few weeks now that I think that Trump is going to win. I think that he's gonna win handedly. But lately, I think that we're seeing more signs about the Harris campaign, sinking. So one and this is a point that Chris has said he's not joining us today. Hopefully, he's, doing well at golf.
Donald Kendal:He's got a little bit of a golf outing, but he said this a few times on our podcast that although the polls are close between, Harris and Trump, that they're way better looking for Trump today compared to this time leading up to the 2016 election and the 2020 election. So despite them being close, that could theoretically be a good sign for Donald Trump. The Walls debate was a train wreck. It was so bad that Saturday night live was roasting Walls and Harris on a recent episode. Betting odds websites are starting to lean in Trump's directions.
Donald Kendal:1 in particular, the other day, widened in Trump's favor by several percentage points. Senate polling is starting to look generally less favorable to Democrats. In in, one in particular in Wisconsin, it's looking like Tammy Baldwin is in trouble. It's a bad sign for Harris and Democrats in general. And after hiding her for a while, this the campaign seems like they're making a last minute media sprint going on Colbert, the cringiest guy in America, and Howard Stern, most popular for being a judge for America's Got Talent, I think.
Donald Kendal:And this is this is all building this narrative that Harris benefited from a bit of a honeymoon phase where people are like, oh, look. We don't have to pretend to be excited for a 90 year old man, Joe Biden, anymore. We could root for Harris. But that that honeymoon phase is over, and people are realizing that they're stuck with a half in the bag valley girl who is often less, understandable than Joe Biden. So, Jim, what do you think about this premise?
Donald Kendal:Do you think that the Harris campaign is struggling right now?
Jim Lakely:Well, yeah, I'm I'm I'm like you. It's like, you know, you can either look at the polls. You can, you know, scan x and see what people are saying that are supposedly in the know. And, you know, there are a million different opinions on how this race is is falling out, and it's interesting. It can be entertaining reading.
Jim Lakely:But it is better to look at what the campaigns are doing. I think that is there's only, what, 25 days left or something like that. So, you know, they have very little time now. It's I can't believe how quickly this election is actually approaching now. But you have to look at what they do.
Jim Lakely:And what was Kamala Harris doing, a month ago? I mean, this is kind of unprecedented. Anyway, there's there's so much about this race that is unprecedented. Never before has a sitting president, like Joe Biden had such a disastrous debate performance that his own party, instituted a coup and kicked him off the ticket. The idea that he left voluntarily, of course, is absurd.
Jim Lakely:Everybody knows that. And I think you can see that in the way, dark Brandon is back, but his laser beam eyes are now directed toward Kamala Harris as he seems to be wanting to sabotage your campaign in any way that he can. But but look. So so and then they went into the so they so they this is the first time anyone has tried to run basically just a couple months of a campaign with a brand new candidate by pushing out the sitting president of the United States. That's that's crazy.
Jim Lakely:And the media and the Democrats thought, hey, you know, in the beginning, hey, this is gonna work. This is going to work. This is a campaign of joy. They had all of this momentum after the after the, Democratic National Convention. The media was just talking about that this is the VIBES campaign, and they thought, well, we're not really gonna have to talk about policy because the American they they figured, I think they're in such a bubble, they think that the rest of the country looks at Donald Trump the way a hard leftist Democrat does, that he's a threat to democracy and and all of that other kind of nonsense that they've been throwing out there.
Jim Lakely:But what has Kamala Harris been doing now in the last several weeks? She can't run the Basement campaign of joy and vibes anymore. She has to get out there and, and actually talk to the media now, and it is becoming a disaster. You have to think about what must have been going on internally at the campaign for, for Kamala Harris. There must have been 2 in two in two lines of thought.
Jim Lakely:We can continue to try the hide Kamala and the fact that she is, not super bright and doesn't have a a good grasp on any policy. We can keep trying to hide the fact that she is a notoriously bad boss and has a 96% or so turnover rate on her staff, both as a senator and as a vice president. You know, those stories were written long ago when the Democrat party and the media their media propagandists were actually trying to work a little bit, set groundwork for pushing her off the ticket entirely. That was that was the story a year ago. Right?
Jim Lakely:And so so they had two lines of thought. We can keep trying to hide her, but that's not working. Their internal polling must be showing that she is losing ground. She's she might even be losing, period, any lead she may have had on Donald Trump. So the only other option is to get her out there on 60 minutes, which for a Democrat should be a pretty friendly, a conversation, and it was a disaster.
Jim Lakely:So, what they're doing now, they figured was the best possible scenario they had to reverse the sliding campaign, their sliding poll numbers. And, I don't think it's working. So so that's that's kind of the way I see it. It's like you look at what they're doing. If they could get away with continuing this vibes and campaign of joy BS, if that was actually working, they would still be doing it.
Jim Lakely:They're not doing that anymore. Kamal is calling for a second debate immediately after the VP debate. What does that tell you? It tells you that everybody in the party knew that what a disaster that was and it was gonna harm the campaign big time, and now she's going on 60 minutes, which is not something she likes doing. And she's going on The View.
Jim Lakely:Even that was a was a pretty bad, moment for her. Lots of Trump campaign ads come out of that, like her saying, yeah. There's nothing that, there's nothing that's happened in the Biden Harris administration that I would change up the last 4 years. It's like, no. Not even the Afghanistan withdrawal when when people are dropping off of airplanes on on drops.
Jim Lakely:I mean, it was it was a disaster. But she her answer was, no. I wouldn't do anything different. So Right. Every time she gets out there and talks, she creates another campaign ad for for Donald Trump.
Jim Lakely:And, again, I'll I'll keep reading x and all the experts who who say they they kinda know what's going to happen, but, I think it's more important to look at what the campaigns are doing, where they're going, and, what they're saying than the any polling number.
Donald Kendal:Justin, what do you think about this premise? Do you think the, Harris campaign is is panicking on the inside, or, am I am I reading too much into some of this stuff?
Justin Haskins:Well, I I who knows what goes on in the minds of these insane people? But what what I Are you talking about me
Donald Kendal:or the Harris campaign?
Justin Haskins:I mean, all of you, frankly, but, I mean, the the Harris campaign is the the insane person, the particular insane
Donald Kendal:Got it.
Justin Haskins:Group of people I was talking about in this case. Look look. I I think that if they're not panicking, they should be panicking. And, I think the reason for that is because when you look at the poll numbers and you compare the poll numbers from the last election to this election, it is very clear. It is not even a question.
Justin Haskins:Donald Trump is doing significantly better this time around against Kamala Harris. Now against Joe Biden, he was blowing him away. Against Kamala Harris, he's doing significantly better than he did in 2020 or in 2016, and all the polls show this. The polls have a long history, of going all the way back to 2016 of of way oversampling groups that benefit the Democratic party candidate. And, they they do a really bad job of capturing what's going to happen in these elections.
Justin Haskins:Now Rasmussen, I I think is the best at this. I think they're the fairest pollster in the group. But of all the other big national polls, you know, whether you're looking at Reuters or you're looking at The Economist or Quinnipiac or whatever, they have a tendency to make it seem like the Democrats going to do better. So let me give you some proof for this thesis statement. Alright?
Justin Haskins:So let's just look at the top battleground states from the, the top battleground states from, 20 let's see. What is this? 2020. Okay? The average poll this is based on RealClearPolitics.
Justin Haskins:The average RealClearPolitics poll, so that takes, an of all the different polls, big national polls, and it combines them together, creates an average. Right before the election in 2020 in Pennsylvania showed, or let's not do Pennsylvania. Let's do, Florida. Okay? This is a really good one.
Justin Haskins:In Florida, it showed Biden winning Florida point 9%, so a little bit less than one point. In reality, Trump won that by more than 3 points. Okay? In Michigan, the average poll showed Biden up 4.2 points. The actual result was Biden winning by 2.7 points.
Justin Haskins:So, like, 2 point difference. In Wisconsin, it had Biden winning by 6.7 points. In reality, Biden won by 0.7. And Arizona, another difference, 0.6 point difference. So so it's over it's it's making it appear.
Justin Haskins:The polls all seem to show that Biden was going to win by more than he actually did in almost every battlegrounds actually, in every battleground state. That was what was going on. Okay? If you just looked at the national polls in 2020, it had Biden winning by 7.2 on average. Some of the polls had Biden winning by 10 or more.
Justin Haskins:Okay? Now if you take those that just keep all that in mind. Biden winning by 10. Biden winning Wisconsin by 6 or 7. All of these things that we're seeing in the polls in 2020.
Justin Haskins:And then you look at what's going on right now, it's completely different. Instead of showing Biden winning by 10 in some polls, the best polls are showing Harris winning by, 5 or 4 or something like that, so about half. That's the best polls for Harris nationally. Some polls have it tied. Some polls have Trump winning.
Justin Haskins:The overall, RealClearPolitics average has Harris winning by just 2 nationally, and the national polls don't really matter. What matters is in battleground states. And when you actually start looking at battleground states, remember, keep in mind, in 2020 and the same thing happened in 2016, just like I said before, the the the polls tend to show that Trump is doing worse than he'll actually do on election day. The latest polls that we have right now have, on average, Trump winning by point 9 in Arizona, point 7 in Michigan, point 3 in Pennsylvania, point 6 in North Carolina, point 8 in Georgia. Okay?
Justin Haskins:And, it has Harris barely winning in Nevada by 1 and Harris winning by point 4 in Wisconsin. So in other words, in all of these cases, Trump is doing far better than he did in 2020 or in 2016 in all these battleground states. And these polls these polls are if they're anything like the last two presidential elections, are likely making it appear as though the Democrat is doing better than she actually is. So unless unless the polls are actually favoring Trump for the first time ever, it's highly, highly likely that Trump is winning right now, this race
Donald Kendal:Okay.
Justin Haskins:Where he handed them.
Donald Kendal:I I see. There you go. That's you support my premise here. And I thought this is why I actually went to gym first because I thought you were gonna be a naysayer and think that, like, oh, you're just drinking Kool Aid over there. So so I'm glad that you're supporting the case.
Donald Kendal:Great. So my thumbnail is perfectly accurate. I think Kamala Harris and the media is getting desperate. So Yes. Let's let's move on, let's stay on this topic, the but actually get to the 60 minute interview here.
Donald Kendal:So, this this might be another sign of the desperation that the, the Kamala's team is feeling. The they're resorting to throwing her in a position where she has to talk, you know, for a prolonged period of time about substance, not necessarily a strong suit of Kamala Harris. So first, I wanna talk about some of the policy positions that she attempts to make during this interview with, Bill Whitaker. So let's start off with a clip titled Kamala nomics. This clip starts off with Whitaker asking Kamala about, her desire to increase the child tax credit, provide help for starting new businesses, provide help for people buying their first home, and perhaps a couple of other new and expanded government programs.
Donald Kendal:And Whitaker asks, how are you going to pay for all of this? And here is Kamala's response. Let's go ahead and play that clip, please.
Kamala Harris:My plan is about saying that when you invest in small businesses, you invest in the middle class, and you strengthen America's economy. Small businesses are part of the backbone of America's economy.
Bill Whitaker:But but pardon me, madam vice president. The the question was, how are you going to pay for it?
Kamala Harris:Well, one of the things is I'm gonna make sure that the richest among us who can afford it pay their fair share in taxes. It is not right that teachers and nurses and firefighters are paying a hay higher tax rate than billionaires and the biggest corporations.
Bill Whitaker:But And
Kamala Harris:I plan on making that fair.
Bill Whitaker:But we're dealing with the real world here.
Kamala Harris:But the real world includes
Justin Haskins:How are you
Bill Whitaker:gonna get this through Congress?
Kamala Harris:You know, when you talk quietly with a lot of folks in Congress, they know exactly what I'm talking about because their constituents know exactly what I'm talking about. Their constituents are those firefighters and teachers and nurses.
Justin Haskins:I think she's an idiot.
Donald Kendal:There you go.
Justin Haskins:There it
Donald Kendal:is. First off, good on Whitaker for pressing the issue and not just letting their skirt the question entirely. But her answer is the classic make the rich pay their fair share, and this idea that rich people pay less in taxes than the middle class. I was gonna go to Jim first, but, Justin, I saw you shaking your head during, her response, so I'll go back to you. What are your thoughts on this clip?
Justin Haskins:I think it's a I think it's just a total joke, and the fact that they don't there's there really isn't any pushback on this question ever, and the democrats have been able to get away with these talking points forever and ever and ever. And in fairness to them, just as a, like, a politics nerd, I'm I'm impressed that they've been able to get this fair share thing through the you know, it it really has broken through the public consciousness. It is now there for half the country. They they use this in in common, conversation with people about politics and policy, and it is completely and utterly and totally absurd. The vast majority of taxes are paid by people in the top half of the tax bracket.
Justin Haskins:Almost all of the taxes are paid by the people in the top half. The people in the top 20% are paying, like, half of all tax revenues. Just the people in the top 20%. And the people in the top 1% are paying a giant chunk of it, even a a huge percentage of that. So the idea that the wealthy and and maybe I don't have those numbers exactly, but it's roughly that that's the case.
Justin Haskins:The the idea that the rich, the wealthy aren't paying their fair share, whatever the hell that means, is completely ridiculous. Of course, they're paying their fair share. Of course, they're paying their fair share. They're paying far more than their fair share because they don't get anywhere near the same benefits back that people on the lower end of the spectrum get. So I'm not suggesting people who don't make a lot of money should pay more in taxes.
Justin Haskins:But if you're going to make the argument of the fair share, which I think is a stupid argument but if you're gonna make that argument, the truth is, shouldn't the people who take more benefits pay more in taxes that as a percentage? Doesn't that make more sense? Why should it be why is it fair that someone who uses no government almost no government services should pay the vast majority of the tax revenue it it for those services. And that now just because they have more money k. So this would be the argument.
Justin Haskins:Well, they have more money. So they it would it's fair because they have more. They should pay more. They do pay more. That's that's how it works.
Justin Haskins:If you make more money, you pay more in taxes. So what they're arguing is, no. They should pay a higher percentage of their income. Why is that fair? Can anybody make the could anybody explain how that's fair?
Justin Haskins:But putting all that aside, because that's not even the real issue. The real issue is the the the we have a 1,000,000,000,000 plus dollar deficit every single year anyway. So the truth is it's got nothing to do with people paying taxes at this point. At this point, where does the money come from? They print it.
Justin Haskins:And all the money printing that they've been doing for the past decade plus is part of the reason why we're seeing all of this inflation recently that's killing working class and middle class people. So this this whole notion of, well, where where is the money gonna where is it gonna come from? Kamala, and she stops and she what's going through her head is, well, we're just gonna print it, obviously. What what do you mean? Where is it gonna come from?
Justin Haskins:We're gonna make it up. Like, that's where it's been coming from, Bill. Like, don't you know that? We don't tax people. This is insane.
Justin Haskins:Like, this is ridiculous. And that that like, that's where the actual money comes from. And if people if they had any, if there was any journalistic integrity at all, they would say to her, well, don't you think that in like, if we just look at the past 10, 15, 20 years of what government has done, it it seems like you're just gonna print the money. And isn't isn't just create printing more money and putting more money into circulation. Isn't that the reason we have an inflation problem, which is crushing middle income people?
Justin Haskins:Do aren't you worried about that? Are you committing, Kamala, to every new dollar that you wanna spend being offset by tax increases? Are you saying that the debt will not go up 1p? Are you committing to that? No.
Justin Haskins:No. No. They're they're not even gonna go down that road.
Donald Kendal:Of course
Justin Haskins:not. And that's just so so so frustrating. And then and then one one hold on. One last part of this. One last part before because I will forget it if I will say it now.
Justin Haskins:The idea because it's another lie that they say over and over and over again. The idea that teachers and firefighters
Donald Kendal:This is where I was gonna go.
Justin Haskins:Regular folks are, like, not are are paying significantly more in taxes than wealthy people is completely and utterly false. It is a lie. The reason why they're able to make that claim is because the ultra rich people don't earn a salary like a firefighter or a teacher or a lot of people in society. Okay? They get their money from investments primarily.
Justin Haskins:So investment income for everybody is taxed at a lower rate. Whether you're a teacher or a firefighter or a rich person, your investment income is taxed at a lower rate. Your capital gains taxes. And the even there, there's a difference in what people pay in capital gains taxes. So what a teacher or a firefighter pays in taxes for capital gains is probably gonna end up being lower than what a wealthy person pays in capital gains taxes.
Justin Haskins:If a really rich person who earns a salary like a CEO of a company or, like, an athlete, like a professional athlete or something, someone who's making tens of 1,000,000 of dollars a year or something like that, that's crazy, is earning it as a salary rather than investment income. They are paying more than the teachers and firefighters by a lot. So it's completely made up. If the teachers and firefighters are earning their income from investments, which they do when they retire, they pay the the same or lower rate than the wealthy people who make their money on investments. If the teachers and firefighters were getting paid $10,000,000 a year each, they would pay the same rate as these CEOs that are making 10,000,000 dollars a year.
Justin Haskins:Like, it's made up. This is all lies. Correct. Instead of the media saying, woah. Woah.
Justin Haskins:Woah. Wait a minute. What do you mean by that? Like, obviously, a CEO of a company who makes $10,000,000 a year, like, they're paying more in taxes than a teacher and a firefighter. Right?
Justin Haskins:And instead of questioning her, they just let her spew these left wing Marxist talking points with absolutely no accountability at all. And it is outrageous that they've gotten away with this forever.
Donald Kendal:I know. Yeah. As soon as she said the fair share thing, which which to me, the equation for that is whatever the current tax rate is plus x. Because no matter what it is, even if they push it up to 80%, they'll still claim that they're not paying their fair share. Jim, we got a bunch of clips, but you wanna add on to this?
Jim Lakely:Yeah. Just just real quick. I mean, first of all, I'm I'm shocked that, Bill Whitaker actually asked the question, how are you going to pay for it? Usually, it's the job of the media to ask a Republican how they're going to pay for tax cuts, how they're going to pay for allowing earners to keep more of what they earn, when the when the fact of the matter is, you know, every American, pretty much no matter what their income level, is giving away half of their labor and their wealth to the government to waste. And so that's that's step 1.
Jim Lakely:So I'm actually shocked that he said, how are you gonna pay for this? But we had a churn up there. I just wanna go over that real quick. This is from our friends at at, the Heritage Foundation. So if you look at that, so share of all income taxes paid, the top 1% pay 40% of all federal income tax.
Jim Lakely:The top 2 to 5% pay, on, you know, on top of that, 20%. So if you go all the way over, if you make $87,000 as a family income and above, which would put you in the top 25% of earners in the United States, you are paying 80 what is that? 87% of all income taxes. It's worth And so so the I so, yeah, the idea and, of course, it's never fact checked by the media, but Justin's absolutely right. The idea that, you know, a firefighter or teacher is paying more in income taxes than the wealthy and it's time for them to pay their fair share is absurd.
Jim Lakely:In fact, I agree with her. I think the wealthy should be paying their fair share, and it would not be 40%. It would not be that they are responsible for 40% of all the income tax, collections in here, in in the United States. And then just second. So, yeah, you mentioned capital gains, Justin.
Jim Lakely:I believe right now, for 2024, so, you know, if you make income up to $47,000 and have a capital gain, you will pay 15% on that. If you make, above, like, say, 500 or $600,000 in your investment income, you pay 20% of that. So, yes, the the the capital gains tax is less for a good reason. You want to encourage more investment. If you made that capital gains tax, which is what democrats and Marxists want to do, something like 50%, like, as if the government is entitled to 50% of your the risk that you're taking to invest, that's absurd.
Jim Lakely:But, you know, that's that's why these the uber wealthy that make their, money on income only pay a lot of 20%. That's what they're and so they're trying to they're trying to, conflate those 2 and confuse people and think that you're not smart enough to figure that out yourself. Well, you can also watch this show and have it explained to you, and Bill Whitaker should know that as well. Right.
Justin Haskins:And and to your point, what you just alluded to, the teachers and firefighters who are earning money on capital gains through their investments are paying a lower capital gains tax rate Mhmm. Based on what you said. Right. So it unless they're earning, like, crazy amounts of money for some reason. So so they are paying less even when it comes to the capital gains.
Justin Haskins:Yeah. So in no in no universe is the teacher and the firefighter paying less in taxes then it's just the kind of income we're talking about. And so it it just flat out like, it's the most dishonest thing in the entire universe to make this claim, and they get away with it over and over and over again. And so, Donnie, like, I actually I I'm disappointed in you. Like, I'm actually disappointed in you because you gave credit to this idiot at 60 minutes for asking, you know, and or was it Jim?
Justin Haskins:Which one of you 2 said he deserves some credit? Because I think maybe it was just like well, he doesn't deserve any credit. He said the asking him how he gonna pay yeah. It's better than not asking at all. That's a good point.
Justin Haskins:I think that's fair. But, like, in reality,
Donald Kendal:she walked
Justin Haskins:through, like, 7 lies, and then he doesn't say anything about it. Well, let's go to Forget it, Donnie. You're out of your element.
Donald Kendal:Well, let's go to the next clip because this is another interesting exchange. I think you build upon this latest point that you're trying to make. So this is a clip, an exchange that occurred when discussing border security. So let's just go ahead and run this clip. I think it's got the question and the answer in it.
Donald Kendal:So go ahead and play that clip, please.
Bill Whitaker:I've been covering the border for for years. And so I know this is not a problem that started with your administration.
Kamala Harris:Correct.
Bill Whitaker:But there was an historic flood of undocumented immigrants coming across the border the 1st 3 years of your administration. As a matter of fact, arrivals quadrupled from the last year of president Trump. Was it a mistake to loosen the immigration policies as much as you did?
Kamala Harris:It's a long standing problem, and solutions are at hand. And from day 1, literally, we have been offering solutions.
Bill Whitaker:What I was asking was, was it a mistake to kind of allow that flood to happen in the first place?
Kamala Harris:I think the policies that we have been proposing are about fixing a problem, not promoting a problem.
Bill Whitaker:Okay? But the numbers did quadruple.
Kamala Harris:And the numbers today, because of what we have done, we have cut the flow of illegal immigration by half. But should you cut the flow of fentanyl by half, but we need congress to be able to act to actually fix the problem.
Donald Kendal:So Blah blah
Bill Whitaker:blah blah blah.
Donald Kendal:The the idea that it was quadrupled, the amount of, you know, traffic across the southern border. And then Kamala comes back with saying, yeah, but we cut in half. Let me double check my math here, but, by cutting quadrupling in half still leaves you with double.
Justin Haskins:It's not a great achievement
Donald Kendal:to be bragging about, so I don't know. What what do you what do you think about this one, Jim?
Jim Lakely:Well, I mean, first of all, I I and we're gonna have other clips here too. It's like you can see the kind of the look of panic in her face, that she's actually asked a tough challenging question, that she's realizing in that moment that, even 60 minutes is going to on on this occasion, it may be maybe it might even be the only occasion this happens, is actually going to hold you accountable for the record of the 4 years you've been in office. And, you know, basically, they're they're painting you now as the co president along with Joe Biden that you're gonna be responsible for these policies. She really thought that she was gonna be able to get through this entire campaign and just say it's time to turn the page, and it's time for a fresh new beginning or whatever whatever stupid, AI written, poll tested, slogan they have for their campaign is that, you know, it's time for a what is it? Fresh start or new leadership or something like that.
Jim Lakely:But this is the first time she's actually had to answer a question on her policies that, you know, she was you know, Bill Whitaker didn't mention that she was the border czar, which, again, I'm going to give him credit for this because that's a distraction. That is a word that triggers all of Kamala's defenders to to distract and concentrate on that one word, the term. She was not actually really a border czar. Fine. Bill Whittaker just asked her about the record quadrupling of, illegal immigrants into the country.
Jim Lakely:There is no good answer for that. That's why she had a look of panic on her face. And for her to say that, like, you know, yeah. The we've let I don't know, 20,000,000 illegal immigrants comes pouring into this country with with no tracking. You know, there was just that story last week that among the, people from Afghanistan, the refugees that we let into this country, we just the FBI just arrested one who was planning a mass murder event on election day, presumably at at a at a polling place, to cause absolute complete chaos in this country.
Jim Lakely:Harris and Biden let that person into the country while telling us, the American people lying to us, again, gaslighting, giving us, what's the term, misinformation and that all of these Afghan refugees were were fully, vetted for security purposes. That was obviously not true. So she this is actually interesting and good to see because this is the first time in all of the interviews that I've watched of Kamala Harris since she she took over the standard for the Democrat party for president that she has been asked a single substantive question about her record. And now there's 2 of them in these clips, one being on the, what what, commonalanomics is gonna look like and what, what a mess our border is. And, again, if the best answer she can come up with is that we are while we while illegal immigration quadrupled immediately after we took office because we made a promise to just reverse everything Donald Trump did because everything Donald Trump did was bad.
Jim Lakely:And so they it's like children that were running this country for the last 4 years. But the best you can do is to say, well, it's not quadrupled anymore. It's only doubled now. That's really, really bad because it's one of the biggest, issues in this campaign, and it's not a big issue because people want more illegal immigration. They want actual control over our borders, and it's gonna hurt.
Donald Kendal:Yeah. I I thought this was particularly bad considering how, you know, much of it, like, a top issue immigration is, the border security and all that is, your average voters, and and Trump's strategy of trying to, like, hang this issue around the necks of Biden and Harris. So I think she's particularly vulnerable on this issue, and that clip just does not come off well. But, so there there's a couple of clips. We just showed a couple of clips, from the 60 minutes interview, but there was another clip that's been making its rounds on Twitter.
Donald Kendal:And this clip apparently reveals some of the selective editing that 60 minutes has done. This clip shows raw footage from the interview compared to what was actually broadcasted from this exchange. So let's go ahead and play this little comparison clip if we have it ready.
Bill Whitaker:But it seems that, prime minister Netanyahu is not listening.
Kamala Harris:Well, Bill, the work that we have done has resulted in a number of movements in that region by Israel that were very much prompted by or a result of, many things, including our advocacy for what needs to happen in the region.
Bill Whitaker:But it seems that, prime minister Netanyahu is not listening.
Kamala Harris:We are not gonna stop pursuing what is necessary for the United States to be clear about where we stand on the need for this war to end.
Donald Kendal:Okay. So that was 2 clips back to back. Same exact prompt, very different answers. The first one was just a terrible word salad. The second one was a not as terrible word salad, so it seems like 60 minutes was kinda doing some almost some damage control to, you know, to help make Kamala look better.
Donald Kendal:So the Trump campaign pounced on this, claiming that 60 minutes deceptively edited Harris's answers to, quote, lessen Kamala's idiotic response. And then Trump's national press secretary released a statement saying, quote, why did 60 minutes choose not to air Kamala's full word salad, and what else did they choose not to air? The American people deserve the full unedited transcript from Kamala's sit down interview. We call upon 60 minutes and CBS to release it. What do they and Kamala have to hide?
Donald Kendal:So, Justin, the media playing a little damage control here for Kamala Harris, or do you think this is just standard editing practices by 60 minutes and CBS?
Justin Haskins:When Donald Trump won in 2016, it was made very clear, to everybody who is in the media, on the mainstream media side, that we can't ever allow this to happen again. We have to make sure it never happens again. And there was a big sort of post mortem on the left that went on late 2016 into 2017, and it was a a real like, with you had people in the media coming out and saying, you know, we probably shouldn't have covered all the Hillary Clinton scandals. We probably shouldn't have given as much time to those things as we did. We probably shouldn't have allowed Donald Trump to be seen as a you know, even a somewhat viable candidate, because I think they felt like they contributed to him winning by not being crazier than they were.
Justin Haskins:They needed to be even more biased. And it was at that moment that they decided they were never going to allow him to get a fair shot ever again. And throughout his entire presidency, they didn't. They miss they they misled people constantly. You know, there's the very fine people thing from Charlottesville.
Justin Haskins:There's a million examples of it of them just flat out lying, not telling people the truth, the Russian collusion stuff, all the things from his presidency. And then in the wake of of, him losing in 2020, when really well, the 2020 election had its own moments, right, with the Hunter Biden laptop and the and all the Joe Biden fam crime family stuff that they covered up and the money for the big guy and all those emails and all that. They they just completely looked the other way on that. They silenced people. They actively said it was misinformation.
Justin Haskins:You had people in the, supposedly in the national security industry coming out saying, no. No. No. Like, this is probably Russian disinformation. The media, in the wake of the 2020 election, everywhere saying, repeating the claim that this was the most secure election in history, which was not based on an actual government report that said that, you know, there was no election fraud.
Justin Haskins:It was based on specifically cybersecurity and hacking of election systems and that kind of thing. It had nothing to do with other kinds of voter fraud, but they repeated that lie over and over and over again. And and so they will do anything to stop Donald Trump. They will do anything. And so to me, this is a selective editing.
Justin Haskins:Like, that's, I mean, that's nothing compared to silencing millions of people from being able to talk about a scandal or some of the other stuff we've seen in the past. And so I I think that, going back to sort of the the main, you know, theme of this episode and how we introduce these topics, there is a legitimate concern. I think I think that there was panic that Joe Biden was definitely gonna lose, and that's why they did everything they could to push him out. New York Times, all the big mainstream media, they literally pushed the president of the United States out of the election. He didn't wanna go.
Justin Haskins:They pushed him out. Okay? They installed Kamala Harris as the candidate with not a single primary vote to her name. They put her in that position because that was really the only person they could, replace him with that had a legitimate chance of winning from their perspective at that point in the race, and they couldn't get Biden out early enough. So they had to live with her.
Justin Haskins:And now the job is to make her look as good and reasonable, as possible without making it so obvious that they're in the tank for her that people start to to question their, you know, validity as as, you know, journalists, you know, their their truthfulness, their honesty. And so what they're trying to do is be as biased as possible without making it look like they're as biased as they actually are. And conservatives can see through this. They've we've known this for a long time. But regular people will watch that 60 minutes interview, and they'll see 1 or 2 tough questions in there like we saw with the border.
Justin Haskins:And they will think, yeah. They're, you know, they're being they're being pretty fair. It's like, no. They're not. They're not being fair at all.
Justin Haskins:But, yeah, they'll throw a one tough question in there every once in a while to make it look like they're fair. That's what's clearly going on here. And and so this is proof of the fact that they're not fair. Because if they were fair, they wouldn't be editing this to make it look like she knows what she's talking about on foreign policy when she so obviously has no clue what she's talking about on foreign policy. Why did they do that?
Justin Haskins:And and and then another thing, why did they pick that that issue? There were plenty of things throughout the interview that she looked bad on. Why that one? Why that one?
Donald Kendal:Well, is it possible is it possible that, that they selectively edited all of these responses and all these clips? We just haven't seen the the raw footage of those other clips.
Justin Haskins:It it I mean, of course, it's possible, but I think that I think there's a reason why. I I don't think that's necessary. For instance, the immigration one. Right? Maybe they selectively added that one too, but they didn't do a good job because she looked pretty terrible.
Justin Haskins:Right? So why that why did they go so far out of their way to make that one look a little bit better. And I think it's because there really is, I think, an understanding, by people who are paying close attention to this race that that issue, the Israel, Palestine, you know, issue, Hamas and all of that terrorist attack, the handling by Israel, the way that the Biden administration has has dealt with that is a a potential crisis for them that it could cost them the election. Sure. Because in some of these key swing states, you have a a sizable group of people who really don't like that the Biden administration has not been harder on Israel.
Justin Haskins:And they don't wanna do anything, especially in Michigan, to make it look like, you know, Kamala doesn't know what she's doing or that actually she they they've been really weak on that, and they they don't wanna do any of that. And it's a really fine line because they don't wanna make, Jewish voters who tend to lean Democrat too really upset that the Biden administration isn't supporting history. And so they're in this weird spot where they're trying to, like, walk that fine line, and she did a terrible job of trying to do that. That's what she was trying to do, but she did a bad job of it because she can't speak well. And so they edited it to make it look like, well, let's just give a really short clear answer that really won't make anybody too angry.
Justin Haskins:Sure. And that's clearly what they did, and I think that's why they picked that issue over all the other ones because of how important it is. But that leads it but if that's true, if that theory is true, then it it it it proves that that it that it proves of how in the tank they are because they're not just selectively editing. They're selectively editing in the most, you know, strategic way possible. It's not just, well, how do we selectively edit to make her look better?
Justin Haskins:It's how do we make sure she's looking the best on the most important issues that might actually cost her the election? And that is just again, it's proof further proof, not that we needed it, but further proof that the media is part, essentially, of the Democratic party at this point. Sure. They want the mainstream press, and they desperately need her to win. And they desperately need Donald Trump to lose, and they will do anything they possibly can between now and election day and after election day to make it to to help the Democrats no matter what happens.
Donald Kendal:That's really the goal. Jim, I mean, we've talked on the show before, and we've talked off this show before about, kind of the the the threat of, you know, like, going on, like, hostile shows. It's prerecorded, and I'm editing it to make it look look worse. Seems like the opposite is happening here. What do you think?
Jim Lakely:Well, yeah. I mean, this let's understand what this really is. This is a fiction put together by 60 minutes. Her actual answer to that question was like, you know, Adam Sandler in Billy Madison, you know, rambling incoherently about the book, The Puppy Who Lost His Way, and using it as a metaphor to explain the industrial revolution. That's right.
Jim Lakely:And then, of course, the moderator, saying that it was everybody in the room is now dumber for having had to listen to it. You know, I mean, it it's ridiculous. In fact, on several questions, Kamala Harris came across like a junior high kid, forced to do an oral book report. And not only didn't didn't he read the book, but he didn't even read the CliffsNotes. He couldn't be bothered to do that either.
Jim Lakely:This is a major media scandal. This should destroy all of CBS News. You know, it's right up there with the fake National Guard documents that Dan Rather for 60 Minutes 2, used to try to destroy George W. Bush's campaign in 2004. That was a lie.
Jim Lakely:Those documents were fake. They should have known it. And editing the answers that Kamala Harris gives in this interview in this fashion is is is a lie. It's fake. It is not news.
Jim Lakely:It is it's not even good propaganda because she doesn't really give you a lot of material to work with if you're a propagandist, to be to be honest with you. It it is amazing to me, and I guess it's really, a statement on on where our media is today, that this is not a bigger deal, that other reporters are not saying this is not this this should not and could not be done. This is as if a print reporter completely invented a quote from somebody and put it into their story, which, you know, there was the Jason Blair scandal at the New York Times, gosh, some 20 something years ago where that happened. I mean, 60 Minutes is trying to tell their viewers that Kamala Harris, frankly, is smarter than she really is. They are hiding the fact that she can't answer a question with any coherence, whether it be on the economy, which I guess they let that one go.
Jim Lakely:But on, something as complicated as the Middle East, problem, she she's completely out of her depth. But they edited it to make it seem as if she knows what she's talking about. And it's only because they, I think, accidentally, in the promos to this, leaked the real answer, or at least a a good bit of the real answer, that we even know this and that you could even show a before and after editing comparison video. The Internet is undefeated on these things. The media is in big, big trouble.
Jim Lakely:The media is actually already dead and just doesn't know it. It's like it's like a ghost. They don't know they're dead. They're Bruce Willis in in The Sixth Sense.
Donald Kendal:Spoilers.
Jim Lakely:Yeah. Oh, spoiler alert. Sorry. But yeah. The the this is this is a huge deal.
Jim Lakely:And just one last point. This is the same news organization and program, 60 Minutes, that attacked James O'Keefe, who's a friend of the Heartland Institute. He we gave him the Heartland Liberty Prize a few years back. Basically invented modern guerrilla journalism, with undercover cameras. They always accuse him of selectively editing.
Jim Lakely:It's like if you just put James O'Keefe and selectively edit in a Google search, you'll come up with 5,000 stories. They always accuse him of that, which is false. It's a lie. Everybody, of course, edits, but he always releases the complete raw footage. 60 Minutes will not do that, but they accuse James O'Keefe of being a fake journalist, of being a propagandist, of somebody who selectively edits.
Jim Lakely:And then they do and then they pull crap like this. Unbelievable. And the the the CBS News should just be out of business. It's absolutely absurd. They should all they should all just be fired.
Jim Lakely:It's not gonna happen, because they're too valuable as propagandists for the Democratic Party.
Donald Kendal:Yeah. So many in the media are lining up to give Kamala as much goodwill as possible. And just the past week, Kamala was on The View where I think they just tried to bash Trump the entire time. She was on Stephen Colbert, where Stephen Colbert was trying to do, like, a beer summit with Kamala on the one of the tonight shows, where she had to pretend that she likes beer just like average Americans. And optically, it wasn't like the best considering that we were, like, in the middle of a massive hurricane hurtling towards Florida, but whatever.
Donald Kendal:Put that to the side. But one person that's seemingly not doing Kamala any favors is her boss, Joe Biden. In fact, there's a couple of things that are happening recently that are leading some people to think that there might be a bit of a rift growing between Biden and the Harris camps. So, obviously, we know the history here. Jim even mentioned at the top of the, of the show that Biden was forced to step down after weeks, if not months of internal pressure.
Donald Kendal:Rumors swirled that Jill Biden was particularly none too pleased by this effort, and some wondered if there were some hard feelings going on. So just a couple of things that happened recently. So remember when Joe Biden came out in the press room with, KGP, a week or so ago? Well, apparently, the Harris campaign was annoyed by this stunt that it took attention away from Harris when she was trying to take credit for the longshoremen going back to work. And 2, Harris, in some cases, has been trying to distance herself from the Biden administration, trying to paint herself as more of an agent of change as opposed to just representing the status quo of the last 4 years.
Donald Kendal:That strategy has been blown up because Biden came out and said, oh, yeah. No. Harris has been a part of every decision that this, administration has made. So a point where Harris kinda has to agree with that now. So, you know, Biden was basically saying any perceived failure of mine is a failure of hers.
Donald Kendal:And then 3rd, earlier this week, Kamala was trying to score some political points off of Ron DeSantis, when she was claiming that the Florida governor wasn't taking her phone calls to talk about the imminent hurricane. And, you know, Ron DeSantis kind of, like, disputed this. And so I, you know, I I don't have time to talk to her for a campaign stunt. Well, Biden was asked about this recently, the idea that Ron DeSantis didn't take Kamala's call. And Joe Biden said basically that, oh, Ron and I have spoken.
Donald Kendal:And, you know, we're working to get Florida everything they need, and Ron's doing a great job. And you might be able to dismiss some of this stuff. I thought that last example was particularly bad, and it wasn't all that long ago that there was that video of Biden putting on a MAGA hat. I'm just saying. I'm just saying.
Donald Kendal:So, Justin, my reading too much into this, is there a rift going on? Is the, the poll from Joe Biden, you know, the resentment from Joe Biden boiling over here? What do you think?
Justin Haskins:Well, I think the problem we have with if Joe Biden were even remotely mentally competent, then, you know, you can you can actually, like, start to analyze the things he does. But how do you analyze what a totally mentally incompetent person does and try to assign motives to different things? It's I don't I don't know if you can really do that at this point. So, part of me says I wouldn't read too much into anything Joe Biden does at this point because he doesn't know the difference between his wife and his sister, and, you know, he's still fighting corn pop every day in the the annals of his mind. So I don't know.
Justin Haskins:But the other part of me says, okay. If do you really and you and this is wild speculation, obviously. But do you think Joe Biden wants Kamala to win? Because I don't. And the reason I say that is because if I was him, I wouldn't want Kamala to win.
Justin Haskins:I would want her to lose. Sure. Because if she loses, then he gets to come in and say, you know, I shouldn't have kicked me out. Like, I woulda won. You know?
Justin Haskins:Or he can at least say, well, ever anyone would every any candidate woulda lost. You know? So you can't really blame me. I I didn't do anything wrong. You know?
Justin Haskins:If she wins, then it looks like kicking him out was the right move. And I don't know how you could possibly, if you're him, feel good about that. You know? Because he was getting beat really bad in the polls. And then if she rides into town and ends up winning despite the fact that his poll numbers were terrible, then it really does make it look like, yeah, they just didn't want you, Joe.
Justin Haskins:Sorry. And so part of me is like, I think he's insane, so I don't know if he's, like, strategically planning all of these things out or something, you know, to stick it to her. Like, I I don't know he's capable of thinking that far ahead. But the other part of me is like, yeah. In his if if you were to get him privately, like, when Hunter is, like, coked up and him and dad are hanging on the couch talking about stuff, do you think that do you think that he's when coked up Hunter is like, hey, dad.
Justin Haskins:You want Kamala to lose. Right? He's like, of course. Like, f her. Like, I hope I absolutely hope she loses.
Justin Haskins:You know? So give me some of that coke. That's probably the next thing he says. So, like, I feel like that's that's probably what's going on. But I don't know that we can prove it from anything just because of how many gaffes this guy has had in the past.
Donald Kendal:Sure. Sure. Alright. Alright. Well, you know, that's, that's an interesting take.
Donald Kendal:Jim, thoughts on this? Rift growing? No?
Jim Lakely:I don't know. I'm just still trying to recover from this new version of Justin d Haskins that I've never seen before. Talking about coked up Joe Biden with his son and and just, like, you know, now going on rants. It's like, I don't even know if I'm necessary on this show anymore. But, Justin could do it all.
Jim Lakely:Look. Biden has always said, I think he is trying to sabotage your campaign. I think a lot of it may be may be happening subconsciously. I think that Jill Biden deeply resents what happened, and which is understandable to her husband and to her, as she was basically been the co president as as his, nursemaid over the last 2 years. But Joe Biden has bragged a lot.
Jim Lakely:One of his biggest brag points, as he's always said, I'm the only one who could beat Trump, and I did beat Trump. And now he wants to be known as the only one who ever did beat Trump. And if Kamala loses, he'd be able to take that, title that's important to him, I suppose, to the grave with him. So yeah. I mean, it's these things nothing in politics is an accident.
Jim Lakely:Come on. Let's be serious here. And even somebody, in the in the mental state of Joe Biden, has enough, and he's always been a mean political actor. Even he understands what he's doing at this point. And, you can see it on his face.
Jim Lakely:I think the only thing that lights up Joe Biden's face these days is giving, is giving a shiv to Kamala Harris' campaign.
Justin Haskins:Right. Ice cream too, probably.
Jim Lakely:Ice ice cream ice cream and a shiv to the side of Kamala's campaign. Yeah.
Justin Haskins:Ideally, at the same time, if he has it anyway.
Donald Kendal:Alright. Let let's let's move on to the next one here. This one I I wanna go by real quick. I don't I don't have a ton to say about this, and I do wanna make sure we have some time for the the last topic. But, we've been talking a lot about misinformation on the show over the past 3 or 4 years.
Donald Kendal:It seems like this, this term of misinformation, disinformation has been thrown around a lot as justification used to deflect, shut down conversation, and limit free speech. So we've been particularly weary of this term being used so often. So when it was brought up recently in a, a press secretary exchange, whatever you wanna call it, with KJP and one of the correspondents. I thought, you know what? Maybe we should talk about this.
Donald Kendal:So there's a bit of a narrative swirling around of people asking online particularly, why is it that we have 1,000,000,000 of dollars to give to Ukraine and Israel, but we're digging through the couch cushions to find money for disaster relief. And most recently, it was announced that the US was giving, like, 100 of 1,000,000 of dollars to Lebanon, and this led to an exchange between the correspondent Peter Ducey and KJP. So let's go ahead and play this clip, please.
KJP:To the impacted areas. And but instead, people wanna do disinformation, misinformation, which is dangerous, which is dangerous. Because then it what that when when folks on the ground hear that, they may not want to ask for the help that they need. That is there for them. That is there for them.
KJP:That's our focus here.
Bill Whitaker:But president Biden is fond of saying, show me your budget, and I will tell you what you value. If he's got money for people in Lebanon right now without Congress having to come back, what does it say about his values? There's not enough money right now for people in North Carolina to need it. That's not misinformation.
KJP:Wait. No. That is we your whole your whole premise of the question is misinformation, sir. What you don't yes. Yes.
KJP:It's misinformation.
Bill Whitaker:Did is there money
Justin Haskins:to mentioned to you that we
KJP:provided more than $200,000,000 to
Justin Haskins:folks
KJP:who are impacted in the area. And I just shared with you that people are deciding not to people are deciding not to. Not
Justin Haskins:to wait.
Bill Whitaker:Congress that there's not enough money to help people We're
KJP:talking about the SPA disaster loan.
Justin Haskins:That's money for people in
KJP:North Carolina. And that's important. And people in North Carolina need that. Congress wait. This is nothing new.
KJP:Peter, this is nothing new. Congress comes together. They provide money, 1,000,000 of dollars, for disaster relief. We're asking them to do the job that they have been doing for some time.
Justin Haskins:Letter that president Biden's been doing for some time.
Donald Kendal:Schumer and Jefferies. The president's letter
Bill Whitaker:is not misinformation. Would you agree?
KJP:No. The way you're asking me the question is misinformation. There is money that we are allocating to
Donald Kendal:Alright. So I'm just gonna stop it right there. It seems like, this this I mean, I would I would kinda just wanna write this off as just like this is just a way of deflection. But, you know, like I said, we've been covering these topics. We've covered this idea of, like, you know, all of this is potentially like a pretext to to maybe have some common sense solutions against disinformation or whatever the the terms that they wanna use.
Donald Kendal:The we've played the John Kerry clip of him at the World Economic Forum recently. There was the big thing about, Elon Musk and x versus Brazil, where you saw people on the left taking Brazil's side of the debate. And I just wonder if we're, like, leading up to a point in time where there's gonna be, like, significant, pushback against free speech in the first amendment from the left, and it's gonna go beyond rhetoric. So, Jim or Justin, I wanna be real quick because we still have one more topic to get to when we're already plus an hour. But any comments on this?
Jim Lakely:I'll just say that, you know, the the definition of misinformation, and so we're all clear and we all know this, I think, is anything that opposes the regime's narrative. And it doesn't really even matter what the topic is. I mean, that was the definition of misinformation during COVID. It was it was the definition of misinformation during the election and when it came to the Russia collusion hoax or the Charlottesville, you know, good people on both sides hoax. Misinformation is anything that opposes the regime narrative, and it actually turns out, probably 9 times out of 10, that it's telling the truth is called misinformation by the regime.
Jim Lakely:So why wouldn't it? Why wouldn't the White House spokeswoman up there, KJ P, say that even asking a question itself is misinformation because it's a question that the that the regime does not want to answer? And it's a good question. How is it that that the the the, the administration is announcing 100 you know, a 150 or $200,000,000? We're gonna send that to Lebanon tomorrow, and then there are people in in North Carolina still waiting.
Jim Lakely:They have to apply. They have to go through all these hoops, and they each get, $750. It that's a very difficult question to answer because it's it's it's outrageous, and it should be able to happen. This is the same, regime that just decides, hey. Stroke of the pen, you know, on a piece of paper, and we're going to wipe out all of your student loan debt.
Jim Lakely:You know? That so there's money for that sort of thing. It's a very fair question. It's one that they cannot answer, and that's why it's called misinformation. This you would think at some point, the application of the term misinformation is would be so absurd by the people in power that it would just end.
Jim Lakely:Like, they would just be an embarrassment that we just can't keep doing this, guys. We just can't keep telling people who are saying truthful things that they are the ones who are liars and spreading misinformation. Yet we continue on this. I mean, this if if this I don't know. I mean, I don't even know how the how this even changes.
Jim Lakely:I don't think the results of the election in November change this sort of thing. There are too many people in too many powerful positions who simply do not want anyone even asking a simple question about their motives and their performance.
Donald Kendal:Justin, any comments on this, or should we get to our last topic?
Justin Haskins:No. I I mean, I I think Jim I think Jim summed it up pretty well. The the the misinformation thing is is whatever the left wants it to be. I will say one thing. If if you're if you didn't watch last episode where we talked about the John Kerry clip and we showed you the John Kerry clip and him flirting with the idea that we should just get rid of the first amendment, very clearly flirting with it.
Justin Haskins:And then at the end I think it was toward the end, saying something along the lines of, well, maybe when this election is over, things will get better on this. It's like, well, what does he mean by that? What he means by that is, hopefully, Kamala Harris wins, and we can start silencing people again because that's clearly what they want. And I think that's super obvious, and anyone who doesn't think that just really hasn't been paying attention to it.
Donald Kendal:So Right. Right. Right. Right. Alright.
Donald Kendal:Last topic here. So, this is kind of radically changing pace. This has nothing to do with Kamala Harris yet, but, a member of our government relations team has been working on a research and commentary on artificial intelligence and health care. So this r n c explains how AI and advanced algorithms are being used more and more in many aspects of our health care and health insurance industry. It explains how this is occurring to supposedly help efficiency, but there are many, issues that are arising from this, including mistakes occurring from this, in some cases, bad or even detrimental advice being given by AI.
Donald Kendal:The RNC ends warning policymakers to be weary about allowing AI to be incorporated into industry in very crucial and critical ways. So, Justin, we talk a lot about emerging technologies like AI and and their potential. In some ways, we talk about how the incorporation of AI into various aspects of our lives and in the policy arenas are inevitable. I've been saying for a while that AI is going to be playing a major role in health care and health care decision making in the future. So what are your thoughts on this at baseline?
Bill Whitaker:Well, I
Justin Haskins:think at baseline, people need to start getting used to the idea that every single part of your life is going to involve AI, and it's going to be part of decision making going forward in every part of your life. It's it's going to impact health care. It's going to it's already in you see it in banking. A lot of lending decisions and things like that have now been are now being made by artificial intelligence and algorithms and things like that. Whole industries are being completely transformed and, in some cases, replaced, by artificial intelligence.
Justin Haskins:This is going to it is a reality, whether you whether you feel comfortable about it or not. And and nothing is going to be off limits, including your health care, including the interactions that you have with people in in areas of life where you think no way a computer could ever replace this. And although in some ways, I think there are some real problems with this, which maybe we can get into about centralization of control and decision making and things like that. I think that's the biggest issue with it. But in many ways in many ways, although these kinds of stories scare people, I think what you have to keep in mind is that the science does show us that artificial intelligence in a lot of different areas is better than human beings at making certain kinds of decisions based on evidence and data.
Justin Haskins:And the more data driven a decision should be, the better artificial intelligence is at making that decision than a human being. And, that's simply because people cannot analyze data and and make an objective decision as well as a really well designed AI system can. And a lot of health care decision making, although you think of it like it's, maybe there's this really necessary human component to it, and there is in in certain areas of health care. It's definitely I think human beings will never be replaced in certain aspects of of it, especially when we're talking about how they care for people and and things like that. But when you're talking about making decisions, like diagnosing a a problem or figuring out what the solution should be or determining what kind of medication you should have.
Justin Haskins:A lot of those decisions are just really well educated people, doctors typically, but other nurse practitioners, other kind of mid level practitioners who are looking at lots of data and evidence and academic studies and saying, well, this is the best evidence that we have. Based on the best evidence we have, based on the data we have for your specific case, we're gonna make a decision. And the decision is based on all this data and evidence and things like that. And and, frankly, AI is probably better at that than people because it can look at more evidence and more data and stay up to date easier than a human being can. So we probably don't have we probably don't have AI systems designed at this point in time that are better in all areas of, that kind of medical decision making.
Justin Haskins:But we eventually will because AI will eventually be better at just because of the nature of it. Human beings can't have that knowledge as well as AI. And so although this is scary, it's scary to a lot of people. I think, when it comes to certain aspects of this, we should welcome artificial intelligence making more decisions alongside human beings. I don't love the idea of replacing people with AI.
Justin Haskins:I like the I I like AI and people learning how to work together to come up with the best answer to problems that are complicated. And then people doing most of the personal human caring aspect of whatever it is we're talking about, in this case, health care. But AI having a really big, impact in analyzing data, coming to conclusions based on that data because they're gonna do that better. AI systems will do that better eventually than human beings will. And, I just think people need to get used to that and and maybe not be afraid of it, but be more concerned rather than say, how do we stop this from happening?
Justin Haskins:Be more concerned about how do we design the systems, not just so that they work really well, but so that they protect people's freedom and their rights and that and and they are cognizant of of humanity and the importance of human life and things ethical issues, I think, is actually the biggest thing people should be concerned of. If you're taking the approach of, well, we just we shouldn't have it. It's too dangerous, or I don't like this, or this scares me. You're gonna lose that. So it it it's more important now that we spend serious time thinking about what should AI look like, how should it work rather than just say, well, should we even have it or not?
Justin Haskins:You're gonna have it.
Donald Kendal:Or or, you know, like, the the debate as I see it is, is the idea of, like, whether or not we're gonna have AI in this decision makings and data analysis doing so in a very objective way and not be, you know, fiddled with in its base programming with ESG and DEI stuff that manipulates it and makes it more subjective and and, makes it so that the outcome is not to seek, you know, equality or something like that, but equity. I think that that's gonna be a large part of this debate.
Justin Haskins:And and just to piggyback on that, the Biden administration Biden Harris administration has already put out reports, executive orders, various things related to artificial intelligence that have very specifically said we need to keep equity and Right. Equality of outcomes and things like that in mind when making regulations and giving money for AI and dealing with AI systems in the future. So they've already they've already decided that they wanna use AI to advance their causes. And so they want AI to be biased. That's already been established.
Justin Haskins:That's the worst case there. Know that. It is a worst case scenario. They've already said that that's what they want, and I think that's important. People know that.
Donald Kendal:So so, Jim, I'm I'm curious of your thoughts on this. So there was a study done with doctors and, doctors using AI. So this one study is and I have it linked in the show notes. Doctors were given cases to diagnose with half of them having access to chat GPT 4, I think, AI to help. The control group, which was just the doctors with no AI, got the corrected diagnosis 73% of the time.
Donald Kendal:The doctors with the help of AI got the correct diagnosis 77% of the time. Not the biggest gap in the world, but the most interesting, I don't know, conclusion or whatever findings of this study was that the AI without the doctors got the diagnosis correct 92% of the time. So the conclusion was basically that the the doctors often introduced the mistakes themselves or chose not to listen to the AI. And this isn't the only study. There's a couple, that that are out there that show that AI actually ranks above humans when it comes to giving medical advice and making a diagnosis, a correct diagnosis.
Donald Kendal:So with that in mind, Jim, how, how excited are you to, you know, go and have your medical decisions made by an AI? What do you think?
Jim Lakely:Well, if it keeps me healthy, I'll be okay with it. But, actually, what I'd like to know is so so the AI was right. What did you say? 90? How many times?
Donald Kendal:Itself. By itself. That was correct 92% of the time.
Jim Lakely:92% of the time. Who determined that they were correct 92% of the time? Was that another human being who determined that, or was it another AI, a smarter AI? I don't know. It's it's weird.
Jim Lakely:Stan Goldenberg, who, coincidentally is gonna be on tomorrow's, the Climate Realism Show right here on this very channel at the same time on Friday, 1 PM EST, to talk about hurricanes. He's he's in the chat with us here today, and he he notes that, you know, he said the National Hurricane Center has loads of computer forecast models, call that their of their AI, but they still learn that with all of that guidance, they still need experienced human input. And I think that's an important point. As I was going to say, AI is still is a tool. It's still just a tool and it's a tool that humans can use to do to perform better at their tasks.
Jim Lakely:That's that's how AI, in in its most benign way, is sold to us, that it is a tool for humans to use. And I think its use in diagnosing, you know, in diagnostics in healthcare can can only be a good thing. I mean, you you there are doctors. Humans are flawed. We make mistakes.
Jim Lakely:Humans make mistakes. They can't know everything everywhere. If AI can take a list of symptoms, and come up with some alternate theories for what's wrong, I mean, who hasn't gone to the doctor and, complained of something happening to your body and the doctor diagnoses it a certain way and you start taking medications for that and it doesn't work, the condition doesn't go away, and then you either see the same doctor again or you see a different doctor, and they say, no. No. No.
Jim Lakely:That's not what you have. You have this. And then as soon as you get that straightened out, you're healing up and you feel great. I mean, it happens a lot, and it's you know, that's why there's, Malpractice insurance. But it happens because, you know, medicine is a is very difficult.
Jim Lakely:It's a very difficult science and, there isn't, you know, it's not flawless. And AI won't be flawless either, but it can help perhaps shorten misdiagnoses to correct diagnosis, you know, in the future. That can only that can only be to the good, I would think. And, you know, not to go down too much of a rabbit hole, but I have read stories over the last year in that medical students entering medical school today are entering medical school with, less skill and, and frankly, intellect than they had, say, 20 or 30 years ago. It's noticeable by the people who are teaching in medical schools that the students they're getting aren't quite as bright or really up to the task, maybe, and yet they're entering medicine.
Jim Lakely:So, we're gonna need AI to perhaps make, health care as competent as it is now, 10, 15 years from now as well.
Donald Kendal:Yeah. The, the the thing about AI that people have to to understand, and this this goes along with, you know, everything, whether it's medical or even, like, self driving cars or something, is that, yeah, there is gonna be car crashes that result from a self driving car. But so humans also crash cars. Right? So, like, what you need, what AI needs is just to be better than humans, and that's not the highest bar in the world.
Donald Kendal:Right? Especially when we're talking about, like, artificial general intelligence. I saw this one this one chart that was, like, charting, you know, AI's path towards artificial general intelligence, and I was like, yeah, but all this other stuff that we've got going on is is bending the human curve downwards. So maybe the AI is gonna take it, you know, overtake it sooner than we think. But it's a it's a very interesting topic that spreads into everything.
Donald Kendal:We could talk about AI and a whole bunch of stuff. Chris, who's not on the show today, and I were talking yesterday about this new program in a couple of jurisdictions in a couple of states around the country where, police, was it the the chest cameras? What is that called? Vest cameras, whatever it's called. That that now is being integrated with AI so that AI can watch the footage of the body camera.
Donald Kendal:Thank you, Jim. And then write and complete the police reports itself. So that takes the burden off the police officer. It theoretically takes the bias off of the police officer, and we could have theoretically an objective police report on an interaction, whether it's a traffic stop or something along those lines. We've talked in the past about AI and sentencing and and and a whole bunch of different stuff.
Donald Kendal:So this is a topic that's only gonna get more, in the kind of public forefront, and we will be here talking about it to be sure. Jim or Justin, we are 17 minutes long at this moment. Any last things you wanna say? Anything, anecdotes, jokes, anything you wanna get off your chest? Hearing nothing.
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