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Let's jump into this show tonight.
Before we do that, we had this show planned out a little bit.
We have a little wiggle room.
So let's discuss.
Tony Khan decided to go at USA Network today.
What in the hell, bro?
What happened?
What happened there?
I mean, look, USA network, um, commented, I believe it was on Twitter, uh, or X and, um, commented basically about the Seth Rollins and gender Mahal segment on raw.
Yup.
And they said, and it kind of like a little snarky kind of petty kind of way.
Hey, what's the, uh, cage match rating, right?
Because that's what Tony Tom mentioned a few weeks ago at the, uh,
the world's end scrum or whatever he was doing, right?
So basically he didn't like that.
So he shot back at USA Network, but also he's been having a back and forth for the past hour or two as we record this live with Eric Bischoff.
And it is the most hilarious shit I've ever seen because every time
Tony tries to come at Eazy-E.
Eazy-E fires back and he's firing back and spitting facts.
So, I'm going to be like this, man.
They need to take Tony's phone from him for the night.
Bro, like, come on, man.
Put him in time out or something and understand, my guy, you are the president owner of a
wrestling company that's supposed to be the nearest competition to the WWE.
Yep.
And you are behaving like a junior high school adolescent teenager.
He is, though.
He is.
That's how I look at that.
This is the most immature shit.
And I heard somebody say, oh, I ain't going to say I heard him, but I read where someone says, well, Eric, you said the same thing on WCW.
And Eric was like, no, I took shots at the WWF.
during their show back and forth.
And we were actually in a competition, not someone who is commenting on the sidelines and then, you know, cries foul when something goes wrong.
He don't get his way.
So that's pretty much what it is.
I mean, yeah, that's true.
That's true.
But that's like a kid that was never told no.
I mean, you got to think about it, though.
Like, he's a billionaire that's normally used to getting his way.
So when this ain't going his way and Tony hasn't really developed the thick skin for the business yet, he hasn't, um,
And we talked about this offline.
He's still kind of young in the business to where a lot of stuff still affects him.
He hasn't been in a position to where just chill, bro.
Just chill the fuck out and let it fly.
You know what I'm saying?
Because this stuff is going to keep happening.
It is.
People are going to talk about your product.
The WWE, they're just now getting to a point to where everything's looking Gucci for them.
But before AEW came along, people were sick of that shit and they were talking about it.
So much so that they actually addressed it on camera to where like, yeah, we got to make some changes.
Okay, cool.
Right?
They acknowledged it.
But it wasn't like, ah, screw you guys.
They acknowledged that it was a problem.
They're going to work towards it.
They're Gucci now, right?
They got storylines.
I'm not saying 100%.
They're better than they were, right?
They're better than they were.
Yeah, I say all that.
Yeah, they're better than they were.
And people are investing into storylines like the Bloodline.
There's factions like the Judgment Day that people are starting to gravitate towards, especially with R-Truth coming back.
There's stuff that people are interested in now, more so.
Then the Continental Champion is more popular than it's ever been.
That title means something now.
Right.
Right.
So they're in a place to where I we don't have to worry about all this stuff.
Tony has never been in that position, bro.
Like and the longer he keeps firing back, it's going to it's already put him in a position to where, OK, cool.
I'm damned if I do, damned if I don't.
If I respond, then I'm an asshole.
If I don't respond, then I'm a coward.
He's in this weird area to where there's always going to be somebody talking about him.
He has to develop a sense of, fuck it, bro.
You gotta fuck it.
Well, I agree with you somewhat with that, but at the same time, it's like, well...
Tony's been in the business five years.
Okay, cool.
But they own the Jacksonville Jaguars.
So, you know what I'm saying?
Like,
You're kind of used to public criticism and scrutiny because you're the owner of a major NFL team.
So what would make it so different when you come over into this genre of entertainment?
It's still show business.
You get what I'm saying?
Yeah.
He just has the mentality.
of just this person that has just never been told no, thinks he knows every damn thing, and the honeymoon period is over, and everything is great when everything is not great.
And that's just pretty much the way it is.
I would agree with you there.
I would agree with you there.
To the point, except fans of NFL and fans of wrestling, they're kind of different in a sense.
Fans of wrestling are way more fickle than they are in any other sport.
Like, they'll love you one minute, and then they'll hate you the next.
That's just how the business is.
Oh, have you seen them Dallas Cowboy fans?
They're a whole different breed, bro.
They're a whole different... They are a whole different breed.
They are.
They are.
Like Sunday, Sunday, if things don't go right on Sunday, I might stay in the house, bro, because it's going to be havoc around here.
I mean, I saw people... I literally saw people taking jerseys that they spent money on, right?
And burning them.
Burning them.
Yeah.
It's just like... It's so different than what Eazy-E said in Straight Outta Compton, but they were, you know...
fucking ran over all their cds he says they paid for them others so i just don't understand i don't understand like why are you destroying your own shit look we got comments coming in already man uh he's a billionaire he's never been told no shout out to jeff fountain for that yeah that is true man he's never been told yeah
Yeah, he's just... He's never been told no.
And he doesn't want to admit that they got problems.
And even when they say, oh, well, CM Punk is the biggest problem.
My guy, CM Punk is flourishing in WWE right now.
You know what I'm saying?
It's weird, bro, because... He was the problem, though.
That's what I mean.
Like, everybody that left AEW so far...
Besides Brian Pillman Jr., but even he has something on his plate, right?
Everybody that has left there has went to WWE and their star power is insanely up at this point.
Yeah, but CM Punk was the problem.
He was the one causing all the issues over there.
He was the heat magnet.
Right.
It was all him.
He was the problem, man.
But wait a second.
They're still having problems.
And he's not there.
How about that?
I don't know about that.
Do they feel safe?
I don't know about the locker room situation.
Is it a safe space?
I don't know.
Is anybody there for their life today?
I don't know.
We don't know that.
There's another comment.
CM Punk looks like he's actually enjoying it.
And I'm not a punk fan.
He does.
He actually looks like he's having fun.
Yeah, he's enjoying it.
It's the big time again.
He went down there to see what it was.
He tried to help the best he could.
And it just didn't work.
It's time to come home.
How much of that is... I wonder how much of that is AEW trying to be...
rebel company and not do things the traditional way because that's what it seems like like everybody that has gone there and had well really punk punk is like an old school guy right um
And there's a lot of young people in AEW.
Like, how much of that was just like a culture clash?
Because you're not going to be young.
And this is like life advice.
You're not going to be the young person forever.
Eventually, you're going to grow up and see shit for, you know, a different light, right?
And how much of that is just like people rebelling against that shit.
But you see better.
And you're trying to steer better, but everybody else is just like, fuck it, we want to do it our way.
Like, that's the thing I worry about, right?
Especially because you have all these things and all these reports that come out and people are like, yeah, the talent don't listen.
And it's just like a constant bump in their heads.
Well, how much of that is the talent being like,
This is our company.
We started it.
We built it.
We want to do it our way.
And somebody else coming in like, no, you should do it this way.
You know what I mean?
Like how much of that is going on?
Okay.
So to answer that, I will say this.
So you have so many of the big legends that have been in the big time in this business working for AEW.
You have Jake Roberts.
You had Arn Anderson.
You have Tully Blanchard.
You have Dean Malenko.
You have a bunch of people, Tony Schiavone, Jim Ross.
These guys have done it all, seen it all, have been to the game and have been to the dance, I should say, and have been successful.
If they're trying to pass on the knowledge and the tools to be successful and these people are not trying to basically accept that knowledge like a sponge, then there is no point in doing it.
When I look at AEW,
It is a hybrid of everything that was wrong with the Attitude Era.
And it is the early days of NWA TNA and the last days of WCW rolled into one.
That's what they are.
That's a bad combination though.
They're a niche company.
They're a niche company with a niche audience.
And it proves it because their base audience, it's about give or take 900,000 people a week, which is, you know, ratings really don't matter anymore.
900,000 people a week is their niche audience.
They're not growing, okay?
They can barely get people to come to their shows anymore.
And until they address the problem going on over there, all the problems going on over there, they're never going to get out of this stagnant period they're in.
When you have a guy like Cody Rhodes, who was one of the founders of this organization, decides to leave this organization,
It is flourishing in WWE, and I have a lot of respect for Cody, flourishing over at WWE.
You have Jade Cargill decide to make the move over to the WWE.
Well, you have CM Punk, who came back, tried to make it work, had a whole show built around just for him, collision.
He leaves, finally, I'm sorry, you're firing him with calls.
All you did was send him back to where he wanted to be in the first place, the WWE.
Going over there, no problems at all.
Talents are getting ready to work with Punk because they know we can make some money.
Everything is hot.
He's out there doing fire segments with Seth Rollins.
Fire segments with Drew McIntyre.
It's on.
He's probably going to end up being in the main event of WrestleMania night one or night two.
This is what he's always wanted.
No issues whatsoever.
Had a kick-ass match with Dominic Mysterio at Madison Square Garden a few weeks ago.
Got a plaque from Madison Square Garden.
That's the first.
How do you think CM Punk feels about that?
He's appreciated finally.
That's why he doesn't have any issues.
He's at peace.
He's appreciated.
He's in a work environment that is professional.
And it's not full of children that don't know what the hell they're doing.
That's what it is.
And that's why I asked that question.
Like, how much of that is, you know, young versus old?
You know what I'm saying?
And it's true.
But on the flip side of that, these guys won't be young forever.
And then my issue with all of that is there's going to be a young wave of talent behind you, right?
You have to look at the example that you're setting for the talent behind you.
Because you won't be young forever.
And people are going to look at you and revere you for the shit that you did.
And they're going to do the same thing.
Like, it's terrible in the long run.
You know what I mean?
It's terrible.
If he's trying to save people from doing stupid shit like falling on real glass to further your career, and you don't need to do that.
If they don't want to listen, if they want to do some stupid shit like Goldberg did at WCW, when he busted those windows out on that limousine, oh, yeah, I can do it.
I'm a tough guy.
Oh, it's Goldberg.
It's real glass.
Oh, it doesn't matter.
I got it.
And slit his fucking arm and took him out.
Go right ahead.
If you want to be somebody like Nick Wayne that can't take a flaming table bump, go ahead.
I don't know about that one.
That's kind of a reach because a lot of that was how he was positioned.
Sure.
It was, man.
It was.
I don't know how much of that I put on Nick Wayne.
He shouldn't be on primetime TV.
That's another discussion.
He's not ready.
That's another discussion.
He's not ready.
And now they got his mom out there, too?
What the fuck's going on?
Actually, I kind of like the mom being out there.
But again, that's another story.
I know.
You and the other 800,000 people.
Hey, man.
There's certain things.
Not everything's terrible.
Not everything's terrible.
Listen, you know something?
I'm not saying it is.
I'm just going by what I see.
And I'm just going by what people post.
And, yeah, that's just my opinion.
I don't keep up with the product.
I don't keep up with AEW.
I've learned a very valuable lesson by being on X slash Twitter, whatever you want to call it.
Don't pay attention to all of that shit, bro.
Like, don't.
Because a lot of that shit is echo chamber, and a lot of that shit is not true.
No, I'm looking at the YouTube clips from AEW themselves.
Again.
Their own channel.
Okay.
Their stuff they're putting out.
I know.
I know that.
And you can feel a way about it.
That's fine.
That's your opinion.
There are some people, listen, there are some people at AEW that I really like.
Top of the list, Swerve Strickland and Prince Sinatra.
Same.
That guy is a major superstar.
And I predict this year, probably even by the summer, that dude's going to be the AEW world champion.
I would say after Revolution, he'll be the AEW champion.
Could be.
Could be.
He's the next mainstream star.
Period.
He's already there.
That's their one.
He's already there.
He's already there, but he needs to get that push.
When he finally gets that push...
Man, Swerve has something to prove to the WWE anyways about letting him go.
Yeah, I've said this.
The moment I seen him in California, I was like, this dude's about to tear shit up.
And he has not proved me wrong.
at all.
But let's let's continue on, man.
So the reason the reason I came up with this one, thank you, Jeff, for the comment over the break.
I had a chance to binge watch Star Wars.
And I wanted to present you with a question because I was I was reframing myself, re familiarizing myself with the with the series, the saga.
um one thing came to me right off the bat let's talk some star wars question i have for you because we we entered this this discussion about anakin being the greatest jedi ever right and watching it i wanted to agree with you watching it over right i wanted to agree with you there's a lot of things that make him a great jedi
And I found myself going back on a lot of my counterpoints that we discussed earlier.
But the question I wanted to ask you is, was Anakin Skywalker even supposed to be a Jedi?
I think if Qui-Gon had never found him, discovered him, he probably never would have been a Jedi.
I would go as far in watching it to say he probably would have, even if Qui-Gon did discover him.
If he didn't die, if Qui-Gon didn't die, I think the whole Jedi Order would have been changed because of Anakin.
Well, so the thing about it is this.
What happened with Anakin when Anakin turned to the dark side was always going to happen because Sidious had already had him in mind when he was a child that he was going to make him his apprentice.
Sidious went through Maul.
He went through Dooku to get to Anakin.
I mean, he said it.
He says, we're going to be paying close attention to what you're doing, what you become pretty much.
So he already had that plague.
So he already knew what it was because, you know, there's legends that say, well, Darth Plague has created Anakin.
Okay?
We don't know that to be true.
We don't know where it came from.
We just know that Anakin had the most mini-chlorins of any being.
ever.
So he was the Chosen One.
So when it comes down to when you say, oh, he's the greatest Jedi, yeah, he had the most many coins.
He was more powerful than Yoda, more powerful than Mace Windu.
He was more powerful than a lot of people that was on the Jedi Council, and he never was a master.
Yeah, I know that.
That was one of my counter-arguments, but I'm willing to concede that he probably was the greatest Jedi ever.
Also, with the death of Qui-Gon, so
The Battle of the Dueling Fates, right, is pretty symbolic.
And I looked at an old interview from Dave Filoni explaining that exact battle between Qui-Gon and Darth Maul, right?
Yeah.
And it's pretty much the point of if Qui-Gon wins that battle,
then he continues to be involved with Anakin, right?
With that being said, Anakin has a better control of his emotions, more so that Qui-Gon is willing to let him be emotional
and feel the feelings that he actually felt, such as the love that he had towards Padme and the frustration of not being accepted as a Jedi Master when he felt like he was ready.
He would have had a better control on that range of emotions, thus allowing him to be what his potential was.
So...
I somewhat agree with that, but I'll counter with this.
So with Qui-Gon, Qui-Gon was all another person that was also becoming kind of disillusioned with the Jedi.
Right.
Basically because of Dooku, who was his master.
Right.
Because Dooku became disillusioned with the Jedi and didn't believe in the Jedi's ways anymore.
Yoda eventually went that route.
Yoda... Yoda... No, he didn't.
Yoda basically... There was Sidious that did so much to basically put a cover over everything that was going on.
Including orchestrating the Clone Wars.
Everything he did.
Right.
The Shroud of the Dark Side looms over everything.
So, the reason why he went into exile pretty much is because he knew...
even he could not defeat Sidious.
He was too strong.
This had been the plan.
For a thousand years, this had been the plan for the Sith to regain control.
And Qui-Gon Jinn are not being the father figure for Anakin Skywalker.
Skywalker still would have turned.
You think so?
Yes.
It was always there for him to turn.
I don't know, man.
I'll tell you the key of it, why that was going to happen.
Because even though Qui-Gon took Anakin and took him to the council and trained him, there's one thing that happened that is unforgivable for Anakin with the Jedi.
They never helped his mother.
He left his mother behind.
Never had any contact with his mother.
That's another point, right?
That pushed him to the dark side.
But
This is after Qui-Gon had already been killed, right?
But the fact that Obi-Wan was the one that trained him, I thought was the biggest disservice to Anakin.
But Obi-Wan didn't even like Anakin in the beginning.
Exactly.
Yeah.
Exactly.
I thought that was the biggest disservice.
Watching that, I was like, oh, well, shit.
It was a promise he made.
It was a promise that he made.
He trained the boy.
He is the chosen one.
Right.
You have to look at the situation here.
Anakin gets there.
Anakin is already nine years old.
He's already too old.
They don't want to train him.
Mace Windu from day one does not like Anakin Skywalker.
No, does not like him.
From day one.
Okay.
Did not like him up until the point where Anakin told him that Sidious was a Sith Lord.
He says, if what you say is true, then you have earned my trust.
So still had an issue there.
Anakin was still trying to, even when that happened, even when Mace Windu went to arrest Sidious,
Anakin was still trying to do the right thing.
He was saying he must stay and try.
You got to keep them alive.
He was trying.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He can't kill him, but he says he's, he's in charge of the courts and he's too dangerous to be kept alive.
But he knew at that point, if Sidious dies, Pathway dies because Sidious tells me he knows the pathway to save her.
So Anakin was always, even as a child, because he has, he has so much, um, he just, he was a,
It all goes back to his mother, even when he was a child, when he went to the council.
And Yoda was like, no, you have emotions or some shit he said to him.
He's like, you know, about his mother.
Right.
You're holding on.
Yeah.
That's what they do.
The Jedi, you know, pretty much go and they kidnap you.
Pretty much what they do.
Kidnap you.
Take you from your family.
And they use you.
Okay.
They send you to the cult, which is the Jedi temple.
Wow.
Yeah.
And that's what they do.
Wow.
That's kind of extreme.
It's what it is.
That's kind of extreme.
I mean, it says, you know, they say, oh, the Sith are supposed to be, you know, jealous and all this bullshit, and the Jedi aren't.
But that's what I'm saying.
You mean to tell me there was never any kind of a,
A situation here where there's animosity or jealousy between Jedi.
There was never jealousy or animosity between Dooku and Mace Windu?
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
I'm saying with Qui-Gon being killed,
That was the turning point for Anakin and the entire force as a whole, right?
Because the force could have been balanced way earlier and we would have seen a much powerful Jedi in Anakin Skywalker.
But he did balance the force though.
Eventually.
No, it happened before that because you got to understand something.
There were literally no Sith left.
There were all these Jedi.
There were no Sith.
The only Sith that were around were Maul and Sidious.
Because Dooku was never really a Sith.
He just turned to the dark side.
He was never really fully a Sith.
So it goes to the rule of two.
You know what I'm saying?
It can only be two.
What I'm saying is the true balance of the Force isn't light or dark.
It's just the Force.
And that's kind of where
And that's kind of what Anakin is now.
He is, you know, he has taken the role pretty much of the Mortis God, the father.
He's that role now.
He fills both sides.
He controls the light and the dark side.
He can control his emotions now.
I think that's what Qui-Gon was actually trying to achieve with Anakin.
Like, there is no light.
There is no dark.
There is just the force.
This guy is supposed to be that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And that is why, at the end of the day, even as Darth Vader, as George Lucas said, even as Vader, he was still the chosen one.
I would agree with that.
Yeah.
May not have happened the way you wanted it, but he was the guy.
I mean, at the end of the day, he went through so much shit as Vader.
He did a lot of bad shit as Darth Vader.
Oh, yeah, he did.
But the one thing that brought him back around was the fact that he had a son.
When he found out he had a son, that changed everything.
He was emotionally fragile at that point when he found out he had a son.
Because how is that possible?
She died.
So I thought the children died.
Or the child, because he didn't know he had children.
He only knew he had a child coming.
So when he found out he had Luke coming, that changed everything.
Palpatine knew, like, okay, I got it.
Because Palpatine, in my opinion, it's a very weird relationship between OC, right?
Palpatine was always trying to get rid of Vader.
Vader was always trying to get rid of Palpatine.
I mean, he used, I mean, Vader had Starkiller as his apprentice at one point.
Palpatine knew that shit.
So they always played each other.
And that's why, you know, Palpatine tells Luke, he says, oh, go ahead and kill your father and take his place at my side.
They always had that kind of weird dynamic.
You know what I'm saying?
It's very, very weird.
Look, we got a Star Wars expert in the comics.
This guy's actually like... This is Rob.
He said he tried to kill Luke several times even after knowing he was his son.
Yeah, no shit.
He did because he tried to kill him, but also he was trying to manipulate him to join the Dark Side.
To rule the galaxy as father and son.
And then he says, you know, he could put a conflict.
I mean, Vader says there is no conflict.
But yeah, there was a fucking conflict.
Because he couldn't kill Skywalker anytime he wanted.
He didn't.
Because he knew that that was going to be his way out.
He knew Skywalker could kill the Emperor.
Trust me, I watch this shit every fucking day.
Alright, this guy, that guy is an expert.
I'm telling you.
I'm sure he is.
I know who you're talking about.
That guy, that guy is an expert.
He sure the fuck is.
Just like, I don't know, I think it was a month or something ago when I was watching Star Wars on Disney+, you know, the remastered Star Wars.
And I had saw the Han shot first thing, right?
So I got corrected by that.
So what I did was I went out and I bought the original trilogy, the original movies.
Han shot first.
You know what I'm saying?
I had to go out and get this myself.
So I went out and got the original movies and I watched them.
And I'm going to tell you right now, the original movies, the way that they were, the way they originally came out, that is the way you should watch it.
The Disney Plus, the Disney.
Yeah, that's good shit.
You know, the Disney.
That's good.
All right.
There was a lot of stuff that George went there and changed and whatever.
But I personally like watching the trilogy the way it was originally made.
I enjoyed the hell out of it.
I'm a shatty bit.
But I think I'll go back and watch it.
Yeah.
Well, because what I'm saying is that.
So what I did was I had to go out and I'm like, look.
I went on eBay, and I went looking for the original Tributes because back in, I think, 2004 or something, they released the original movies.
They had released them because there had not been a Star Wars release since, like, 97, and that was, like, VHS.
So they released them again, and they had released the remastered version where Lucas went in and changed a bunch of shit, including that Han shot first thing.
And then they also gave you the original movies on the same set.
So I found a seller who sells all the fucking movies.
All of them.
I bought them.
And that's what I watched.
And I was like, this is how you watch it.
Just like I am so torn with the ending of Return of the Jedi.
Because I'm like, dude, I love the Hayden Christensen.
I love Hayden Christian as Forrest goes in the remastered version, but I fucking love Sebastian Shaw in the original.
Because I like the song.
You know what I mean?
I don't know why they changed the song.
The song in the original is way better than the other one.
I don't know what the hell they were doing.
And I was telling the wife the other day, I said, you know, I bet you if they ever...
go in there and remaster Star Wars again.
I bet you they're going to take an older Ewan McGregor as Obi-Wan and insert him over Alec Guinness as Obi-Wan.
That'd be awesome.
I bet you that's what they're going to do.
That'd be awesome.
That'd be awesome.
Lots of comments coming in, man.
The remaster, Rob says, the remaster, George Lucas wanted to show Han as a less roguish and more of a good guy, which kind of makes sense, but...
Ah, bull.
I get that, but that's like, dude, after watching, oh, I did happen to watch Solo, finally.
I saw.
What'd you think of it?
I enjoyed the hell out of it.
I told you.
I told you.
Yeah, that was a good movie.
I wish they would have further told the story with Maul.
show more Maul in a movie.
But I loved it.
I loved the whole thing.
I loved how Han got his last name.
That was pretty cool.
Donald Glover as Lando, he hit it, man.
He had to be watching Billy Dee Williams in the original.
So I enjoyed the hell out of it.
I don't know why people didn't like that movie when it came out.
I enjoyed the hell out of it.
I don't know.
It got a lot of flack, but I actually loved it.
So here's my favorite movies from now on.
The original six, The Force Awakens, Rogue One, and Solo.
The other two, go fuck off.
Okay.
I'm with you there.
To blame The Last Jedi for Solo not continuing.
That's about it.
Because it did come out around that time period.
Right.
And since we're talking about the sequel trilogy, let's go ahead and talk about the sequel trilogy.
Because I want to make women uncomfortable.
Okay?
Here we go.
Here we go.
You know, I'm just going to say this, man.
So, this... I forgot her damn name.
Made some comments, right?
That have resurfaced.
Okay?
Okay.
And she says that she likes to make men uncomfortable.
I'm an activist.
Let me tell you something.
I don't give a shit about your activism.
All right?
You have no fucking credentials whatsoever to be doing a Star Wars movie.
You've done documentaries.
You have your activism...
In the fucking movies.
In the documentaries that you have.
I don't care about that.
That's not what Star Wars is about.
Star Wars is about... The dark side versus the light side.
Good versus evil.
The Sith versus Jedi.
And fucking the lightsabers.
And the galaxy.
That's what Star Wars is.
Not... Women empowerment.
When you say women empowerment and you're the first woman to ever lead Star Wars and direct it... Bitch.
Do you not realize...
That George Lucas' wife was the one that was originally behind Star Wars?
Do you not realize that his daughter wrote a bunch of the Clone Wars episodes?
Do you not remember that Deborah Chow just recently did Obi-Wan Kenobi?
The fuck are you talking about?
So when you say this, you're shitting on them.
You're shitting on the woman who has ran fucking Star Wars into the ground for the last 11 years, fucking Kathleen Kennedy.
Okay, so what the hell are you talking about?
Women.
I'm sorry, was Leia not in the movie?
Did we not have Reva in Obi-Wan Kenobi?
Was there no Sarah Connor?
We've never had strong women characters.
I'm sorry.
Did we not have the billion dollar princess in the WWE, Stephanie McMahon?
Did we not have Chyna?
The fuck is she talking about?
So I'm going to say what Rob said.
Rob said these comments were taken from an earlier situation that had to do with situations where she's from.
For that, in the context of that, she was talking about herself being the first director, but that was like during the last Jedi days.
During that sequel.
Can I tell you something, sir?
Let me say something.
Go ahead.
You got the floor.
There was a movie that came out.
I don't know.
It was like late 96.
It was called Jingle All The Way.
It was with Arnold Schwarzenegger and Sinbad.
Now, everybody is talking about Turbo Man.
Everybody loves Turbo Man.
So everybody loved Turbo Man.
Then Sinbad's character was the villain.
And then they had another fucker that was Turbo Man's sidekick that nobody liked.
That is Rey.
Okay?
That's Rey.
No one gives a shit about Rey.
Okay?
She is not a Skywalker.
She is a Palpatine.
Okay?
But first she was supposed to be a Kenobi.
They don't know what she is.
All right.
And just hearing the possible story that they're going to go with.
That somehow the forced ghost of Kylo Ren got her pregnant.
Stop.
Stop it.
Dead ass serious, bro.
Stop.
Yes.
Ghost.
Nah, bro.
You lost me.
I'm dead ass.
You lost me.
Dead ass serious, man.
dead ass oh shit no and then you got this and then you got this other one who did you got this other show coming out called the acolyte that's coming out with leslie headman who said and i quote you know people were sitting around the table waiting for george lucas to come in and you know like he's the end all be all of star wars like he knows everything about star wars bitch he created the fucking universe that your stupid ass is sitting at what the hell are you talking about
Yeah, so that shit, the whole Ray shit is just... If you think that I'm fucking bullshitting about this, I have seen interviews, my friend, on YouTube.
People are talking about the script leaks, the two stories that they came up with for this Ray movie.
I'm not joking.
I'm not making this shit up.
Bro.
No, I'm not lying.
You know damn well I'm not.
When it comes to Star Wars, you know fucking well I ain't gonna lie.
The fucking petitions that will come from this shit.
Yeah.
Somehow he got her pregnant.
Oh my God.
She's gonna be pregnant with a girl.
Okay?
And supposedly this girl might turn to the dark side.
Why?
So we're not doing anything new.
We're just rehashing the same shit.
Just fucking reset, man.
If that's the case, just fucking reset.
You can't reset it.
Can't.
Because they're going to continue to push this character.
And I feel so bad for Daisy Ridley.
I really do.
I feel bad for her.
That's terrible.
Because if they don't know yet, Disney is being very cautious right now with this shit.
That's why with all this bullshit going down, here's the thing.
All this bullshit and controversy is going down with this director's previous comments that have come to light, right?
Yeah.
Then they announced the new Mandalorian and Grogu movie.
Because you had to take the distraction away from that.
That's true, yeah.
And bring it over here now.
Well, they're going to bring back Baby Yoda.
And we're going to bring back The Mandalorian, but this time we're going to do a movie because season three sucked ass.
Yeah, season three lost.
The Mandalorian lost its luster.
I'm reading the comments right now I can see them on my phone over here and I'm telling you I'm not bullshitting this shit here this is the two story treatments that they're looking at doing is somehow she got pregnant so I guess this I guess Ray's child which is you know she's a Palpatine she's you know I guess her daughter is the chosen one right
That's terrible.
That's not good.
Look, Rob said, I'll be back.
Hold on.
He said, I got to look this shit up.
Go look it up.
And when he comes back, he's going to be like, oh, he's fucking telling you.
You're damn right.
That's crazy.
That is fucking crazy.
I don't even want that.
That's why I saw I was watching a video on YouTube and people were talking about this shit.
the possible script leak for the Rey movie and I'm like this is bullshit wow but going back to the Acolyte real quick which I like the Acolyte premise but once again Leslie Hedlund the former secretary of Harvey Weinstein the former assistant to Harvey Weinstein you know Harvey Weinstein the rapist yeah yeah yeah
I'm flabbergasted.
What was that comment right there?
That's what Max said.
My dumb ass still gonna watch it.
I think everybody's gonna watch this shit show.
It's Star Wars, man.
It's gonna attract people.
It's not a problem, bro.
It ain't no problem with a woman directing the movie.
All I want, just like everybody else, is just give us a good Star Wars story.
That's all it is.
I don't give a damn if you're a woman or you're a man.
Don't give a shit who you are.
Just do a fucking movie that actually makes sense and that's entertaining.
Here's my issue.
I don't want them to get to a point that they did with the first sequels or the prequels.
I don't want them to get to a point to where
You know what I'm saying?
They put these movies out.
They fucking suck.
And then years later, you come out with a show that makes the shit make sense.
That's not what I want.
Just give me a good story right off the bat that I can sink my teeth into.
Like you did with the first three.
Give me a good story that I can watch and be like, damn, that shit is tight.
Not I have to go back and piece shit together.
You know what I'm saying?
I get you.
You know the character from the sequel trilogy that was, in my opinion, wasted?
There were several characters wasted during the sequel trilogy.
I mean, they wasted Luke Skywalker.
Just destroyed him.
Okay.
But the other character that they screw it up, that should have been the main character, Finn.
There you go.
Yep.
Yep.
See?
What?
What?
Thought I was bullshitting?
Oh, no.
Oh, no.
Oh, shit.
Star Wars, it's life for me.
So I'm on that shit.
I keep going 24-7.
I told you.
I told you.
Terrible, man.
Terrible.
Yep.
So I'm waiting for South Park to do another Pandaverse.
Oh, you know it's coming.
Oh, yeah.
You know it's coming.
And just to be like the first woman, like, bro, like I said, George Lucas' ex-wife was the whole one responsible for it.
So, I don't know what the hell she's talking about.
Go make some more of your documentaries.
I don't know, man.
I don't know.
But a lot of people rallied around that shit.
And it's like eight years ago, bro.
Like...
But just the simple fact that they were hired.
Okay.
It's like them hiring some Joe Schmoe off the street that don't have any experience.
And saying, we're going to give you the keys to making the next Star Wars.
We're going to put you in charge of this multi-billion dollar franchise.
You don't know what the fuck you're doing.
You don't know anything about the characters.
You don't know shit.
You've never watched it.
Bro, Rob.
Rob, I'm the same way, my friend.
I am the same way.
I am the old Republic and fucking the Skywalker saga and that's it.
And I'm talking about the original six.
I ain't talking about the rest of that shit.
Just leave me and Anakin, Mace, Yoda, Luke, Leia, Han, Vader, Palpatine, fucking Bane, Revan, all of us.
Right.
Give me something about Bane.
Do that.
Or actually, if y'all really going to do that, like,
And this is why I say reset.
Reset, but retell the story.
You know what I'm saying?
Retell the story that you can put all the pieces there.
You can't.
You can't, though.
Right, you can't.
Because they've gone so far down this rabbit hole.
Like, they're trying to put sugar on shit at this point.
Because it all comes back to they sacrificed Luke Skywalker for Rey.
They sacrificed the established legacy characters
for Rey, and it didn't get over.
It didn't.
No one gives a fuck about this character.
No.
The other thing is, they are developing, Dave Filoni is developing Ahsoka Season 2.
I saw that.
I'm actually looking forward to that because I'm hoping that we see more Anakin, possibly more Vader.
I would love to see it, my friend.
One time.
Let me see
Anakin Skywalker and Luke on the same screen together.
I'd love it.
I'd love to see that.
I'd love to see them possibly getting out of the apartment as Padme.
As an apparition or something.
Reunite with Anakin on screen.
That would be fucking cool to do that.
But we got Rey.
Yep, this is what you got.
You either get steak or fish, and they're fresh out of steak.
So you get fish.
What kind of fish?
The filter fish.
Oh, shit.
Let's shift gears for a second.
Yes.
Speaking of stories, we have a story that's going to be playing out very here shortly in the WWE.
Roman Reigns possibly swearing off with The Rock, possibly at WrestleMania.
Yeah.
Another question I have for you.
Is this shit too little too late?
Now, I'm going to ask this question because I know where we were a year ago.
Yeah, bro.
You and Matt were here in San Antonio.
We were at the house.
You, me, him, the wife.
We were going to the Royal Rumble.
Yes.
And we were at the Alamo Dome in those hard-ass seats that were uncomfortable.
And we were sitting there waiting for if you smell what the rock is cooking.
And I didn't have hype.
Hype as fuck.
Hype for it.
Hype for it.
Never happened.
Never happened.
And then we sat outside for about two and a half hours waiting for the Uber.
That was around the corner, but couldn't get to us.
Yes.
So how much of this shit is too little, too late?
Dude, when the rock came out there with gender, I was like, I watched it back and I'm like, this just isn't hitting the same way like it did before.
He's right.
He's right.
He's right.
I think it was because I had just recently seen The Rock, so it just didn't hit the same.
I know it hit the same for San Diego, but they kind of gave it away when I saw Nick Khan out there earlier in the day with The Rock.
He kind of knew he was coming in.
Hey, what the fuck is this?
I know when they posted the picture, I was like, huh.
He's with Nick Khan.
The only Khan in the wrestling business that matters.
Oh, that's wild.
That's wild.
Hey, that Khan's getting some shit done, bro.
Oh, he is.
You know what?
I got to apologize to Nick Khan because I didn't have faith.
This motherfucker's actually been cooking lately.
I told you, if I had my own company, Nick Conley would be the guy I had in charge, running it.
He didn't even know what the fuck he was doing.
That motherfucker's cooking, bro.
I gotta give it to him.
He is, in this short span, he's got CM Punk back.
He's got the rock in twice.
And he played everybody.
Yes, and he plays the dirty sheets.
We respect Phil.
We respect Phil.
Shit.
They was right on the phone trying to, like, is he free?
Bring him out.
Yeah.
Is he free?
Bring him out.
Come on.
That whole thing, and we just set that up in Survivor Series when Punk came out there.
Seth Rollins was going ballistic at Buckwild.
All he set that up so perfect.
Everybody talked.
Yep.
Because they played because they played the dirt sheets.
They played everybody.
So with this, we are possibly looking at.
So here's the here's the scenarios that we're looking at right now for rock and Roman since I think it's all an entertainment.
That's what that's what everybody's predicting that they're going to bring him to Australia and they'll do that match there.
Or which one makes sense?
Because I don't see The Rock, me personally, I don't see him as an Elimination Chamber type of event.
That shit screams, take my fucking money at WrestleMania, bro.
It just does.
So the scenario that I see is I see the possibility that
of Roman versus Cody at the Elimination Chamber.
And then I see the possibility of The Rock versus Roman at Mania.
That's what I see happening.
I'm sorry.
I like Cody Rhodes.
I really do.
I do like Cody.
But the bigger match is The Rock versus Roman.
That's what people want to see.
Yeah, I agree with you there.
But it fucks Cody, bro.
It really does.
It fucks him.
It does.
But who says that he has to finish his story at WrestleMania?
So, okay, we've had the Star Wars talk.
Like, the story...
can be finished at WrestleMania, technically.
So the way they're setting this shit up now, if we go back to SmackDown, Rumble's main event is a Fatal 4-Way, in which Randy Orton is a fucking participant.
Correct.
You can have the story being finished of Randy Orton winning that title at the Rumble, and him and Cody...
are the main event of mania right you can do that that's the story mentor uh apprentice student right master apprentice you have that that that story playing out randy orton versus cody rose at mania roman versus the rock doesn't need a title
They're not going to sacrifice.
But that's what I'm saying.
That's what I'm saying.
That is the most logical way that you can get Cody to finish that story at WrestleMania.
Because here's the thing.
And see, this is why I'm thinking it kind of leads credence for the Elimination Chamber.
Because The Rock is not going to stick around.
The Rock has already mentioned, should I sit at the head of the table?
Right.
He's mentioning this, and we're about a month out from the Elimination Chamber.
So it kind of leads me to think that's where it's going to happen.
They're probably still going to do the match with Roman versus Cody 2 at WrestleMania.
So...
I don't know.
They're just so hell-bent on keeping Roman in his position.
And... I don't know.
I do... There's so many scenarios, right?
But the main one is... He's on Hulkamania's heels, right?
I don't think...
Or actually, I don't know how far they're willing to let him hold that title.
I think at this point, dude, when you look at him and you look at Seth Rollins, it's like night and day when it comes to the championships.
And at this point, Roman is just, his record doesn't mean shit, to be honest.
It's a predetermined record anyway, but it doesn't mean shit because it's the record of a championship that has another lineage to it.
That belt is not the belt that Sam Martino had or Pedro Morales or Hulk Hogan or Superstar Billy Graham or any of these guys.
So it doesn't matter.
It's over.
He's going to break Hogan's record.
How so?
Right, and a lot of that is service, right?
Let's modernize the record.
We've got some comments coming in here that are pretty interesting.
Max says, as a casual, I'm not respecting that record if he gets it, which that's a very interesting comment, right, from a casual fan.
Another casual fan, Rob, Cody's got to be a major figure, and if Roman wins, Roman's wins have been weak.
So those are pretty interesting comments.
Roman's wins have been shit the entire time.
Yeah, I agree.
Here's the thing.
Here's the thing.
At least when Hogan was a champion, and I'm talking about Hollywood Hogan, when he was a champion, when he was dominating WCW, people wanted Hogan to drop the belt too.
But Hogan did drop the belt.
He dropped it to Luger on Nitro, but they went back at Saturday.
But still dropped it.
And it was always shenanigans, but it was shenanigans that made sense.
It was always a reason to get there.
The whole point of it to get there was to get him to sing.
That was the point.
Right.
This here, you cannot tell me that they went into WrestleMania last year with the mindset of, we're going to have to do Cody versus him next year.
I don't believe that.
No, I honestly genuinely believe now that the plan was Rock versus Roman last year.
Yeah.
And for some reason, it fell through.
So they went with Roman versus Cody, which made it more interesting in the long run, right?
Because...
You know, Cody's like, I got to finish the story.
I got to finish the story.
It made it a little bit compelling.
But now here we are a year later, we're pretty much in the same scenario.
We're probably going to get rock and Roman, but how much of that fucks up what Cody had built?
Because coming out of that, you can argue that Cody got more popular.
He did.
Cody has been popular since he came back.
He's even more popular now.
He has the all white meat baby face that eventually will turn heel.
I believe that too.
I believe it's all going to be the scenario of he couldn't finish the story.
That's going to make him snap.
This is Anakin being told no by the council.
Eventually, he's going to snap.
Yep.
And I dare say, I wouldn't mind seeing a match that probably no one's thought about.
A match between Cody and The Rock.
Because Cody has credence to say, you came in, Mr. Part-Time, and you took my momentum.
You took my spot.
Yeah.
He's already saying that.
I particularly don't like you.
Yeah, he's already saying that.
So that's the money match right there.
I wouldn't mind seeing if The Rock was going to do it.
I wouldn't mind seeing that either.
Also, the match I wouldn't.
So regardless of what happens at WrestleMania, I think coming out of WrestleMania.
Gracious.
Hold on.
Damn, Mac is going at it.
He really does not like Cody.
Shit.
Oh, no, he doesn't.
You mean to tell me, Mac, when we were at the Rumble and Cody came out there, you weren't popping big for him?
no he actually you weren't you weren't singing a song you weren't going whoa you weren't doing any of that he actually wasn't he was like oh number 30. he comes at a number 30 convenient but yeah so like you could argue he got more popular um after after that
Going into this, I think it's going to be interesting, man.
It's an interesting couple of months.
The rumble is pretty much the telltale of what's going to happen that main year.
Yeah.
Which for the first time in a long time, it's unpredictable, which I actually kind of like.
You know, this rumble here, honestly, with the talents they have in this.
Now, I might get some heat for this, but this is dead-ass truth.
This rumble here is kind of reminding me of 92.
Oh, shit.
Look at the roster of the WWE.
That roster is absolutely stacked.
Jey Uso, Jimmy Uso, Jimmy Uso, Solo, Randy Orton, AJ Styles, CM Punk, Cody Rhodes, Drew McIntyre.
And everybody's healthy.
Gunther.
It's a fire roster, man.
After that, there's so many directions you can go.
That Rumble is going to set up a lot of mania matches.
A lot of good mania matches.
Both men and women.
Yeah.
Because that women's roster ain't that bad either.
They're just on fire right now, man.
So, Max asking real quick, let me get your thoughts on the women's belt situation.
You see any belt changes in the next couple of PLEs?
Yeah.
I think Naomi's going to come in and beat Rhea.
Oh, I don't think about that, but...
If she does come in, and here's another one I think is actually going to come back.
I think Mercedes Monet is actually going to come back.
I don't think she's coming back to Sasha, though.
I don't think they need her, to be honest.
I think she may be coming back.
Okay, so she comes back.
Let's just say she comes back, and she don't get her way, and she wants to leave again.
They have a stacked roster of females that actually want to be there, that are not entitled, and they actually can perform and are much better workers than she is.
They don't need her, to be honest.
You got Bayley.
You got the whole damage control.
You got Rhea.
You got Bianca.
You could possibly bring in Camille.
You got so many different performers.
You don't need a Mercedes Mona at this point.
Because she's toxic.
Oh, that's a hot take.
I haven't heard that one before.
Oh, just go out there and listen to how she treats her fans.
And tell me she's not toxic.
I've seen shit myself.
Just how she treats me.
I haven't seen anything like that to confirm it.
Okay, you need to go look around, buddy.
Alright.
Maybe I do.
Maybe I do.
I...
I can neither confirm nor deny.
I haven't seen her in no situation, so I don't know.
Oh, I've seen the videos of her at the Comic Con when somebody's asking her a question and she's just being a bitch on it for no reason.
I haven't seen that.
No, you never heard of stories about her being mean to little kids that came up to her for an autograph?
Was she in character or no?
No.
Because that's different.
She wasn't in character.
She was one of those ones that, you know, you don't want to be bothered or whatever.
Okay.
Hmm.
That's interesting.
No, I honestly, I haven't liked that.
I've heard you got people.
You got people like that, but you got people like, like Charlotte that made this whole long ass post appreciating her fans.
Even though she plays the bad guy for most of her career.
That's what she said.
Appreciating her fans.
And she said how she really loved her run this time around because she got to be the baby face.
And all the high fives and fist bumps and meeting all the fans, she really enjoyed that.
That's some shit right there that's cool.
That's someone who really appreciates people.
Kind of like Cody.
I hate that she got injured, really.
Because I do think... I do think...
she was getting ready to do some cool shit.
I think maybe her and her and Beck, not her and Becky, her and Bailey were probably would have been doing something at mania, which would have been cool.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think so.
But to answer your question, to answer your question, Mac.
Yeah.
I think Jay's going to probably get a major push, but you know, she just needs some, some, some more ring time because she was protected at AEW.
So basically they're taking their time with her.
to make sure that she doesn't basically flop in the WWE.
Right.
I agree with that.
I agree, which is why we haven't seen her yet.
Exactly.
I do think the only title I think is going to change hands is probably the one Io's holding.
I don't think they'll take the title off of Rhea anytime soon.
I don't think they need to at this point.
Rhea's too hot.
They've already...
They've already set up the whole Elimination Chamber pretty much around her, so.
Yeah.
I don't see them taking that from her anytime soon.
And once again, Rhea is, in my view, missed test.
I think she is a babyface.
She needs to be a babyface.
I think so.
I think they finally pulled the trigger on her going babyface because they have her and Nia Jax looking like they're going to be in a program together, so.
Which actually, I like Naya since she's been back.
I actually do.
I tell you, I saw the, and I thought it was pretty impressive.
I'm kind of curious where they're going to go with this.
But I really liked the return of the Authors of Pain.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That stable that they got with Karrion Kross.
Yeah, I like that.
Now, I don't like that they sacrificed Lashley and the Street Profits to do it.
Me neither.
I didn't like that.
I thought Lashley and the Street Profits were heels.
So that I didn't care for.
And notice this, my friend.
Notice how they have completely buried the LWO.
Yep.
We called that.
You know why you bury it, brother?
Because he'll never be the NWO.
Don't matter.
Well, that and Santos Escobar was the star.
And when he left, that was pretty much it.
I just, I was never really, I just never understood it.
I thought, but I thought, you know, being a barriqua, I thought it was cool what they did in Puerto Rico with the NWO.
I thought that was cool.
But, but, outside of that,
Why would Rey Mysterio be a part of a group that he didn't want to be a part of at WCW?
I don't know.
I don't know.
Mack, I think the LWO is done, my friend.
No, they're done.
They're done.
It's done.
It's ran its course.
But I do agree with him.
You want to bring the black and white NWO back?
Yeah, we can do that with some new people.
I'd love to see Tony leading that shit.
Cody Rose.
Why you at it?
Why you at it?
Drew McIntyre.
Give me Drew McIntyre.
I was about to say that.
Give me Drew McIntyre.
Hell yeah.
Cody Rose.
Drew McIntyre.
Damian Priest.
Yep.
I agree.
I agree.
Let them run roughshod.
That'll be one hell of a faction.
That'll be one hell of a faction.
Hell yeah.
So with that being said, coming up at Mania, we got 40 years of Hulkamania on the docket.
Yeah.
40 years.
Why are we celebrating that this year, though?
Is it coinciding with the 40th anniversary of WrestleMania?
Shit, I believe they're... It's so weird because I could have swore Hulkamania started in the A.W.A.
It did.
Technically, Hulkamania was born way before he got to WWE.
Yeah, so I'm not sure why they're doing it.
It probably coincided with the first WrestleMania, but also coincided when he beat the Iron Sheik.
That was in 83, right?
84, I believe.
Okay.
Okay.
I believe 84.
So that's where they're getting it.
But, I mean, listen, give the guys due.
The most influential person ever in the history of sports entertainment, Hulk Hogan.
I mean, everybody knows the name Hulk Hogan, period.
It doesn't matter.
They know the name Hulk Hogan.
The guy helped revolutionize with the help of Vince McMahon, helped revolutionize professional wrestling and took it from the Southern, you know, wrestling to a major conglomerate that it is today.
Hulk Hogan was, a lot of that was Hulk Hogan.
He held the WWF on his back.
You know what I'm saying?
And then to revolutionize the industry and then to go back and do it again with the NWO.
I mean, give a guy flowers, man.
I mean, a lot of people don't like Hogan for whatever reason.
I think a lot of people don't like Hogan because the stories that they hear about the politics that he supposedly pulled at WCW and then the whole racial thing.
But once again, if you ain't got on Ric Flair about shit, then don't get on Hogan.
That's my opinion about it.
Well, Hogan also came out and apologized for the shit, too.
Yeah, he did.
Now, I mean...
He apologized for it.
Hogan's a born-again Christian now.
He got reborn.
He got baptized and all that.
Give the guys flowers at this point.
I've never heard Ric Flair apologize for anything.
And I know for a fact that he said it.
I know for a fact that Jim Crockett said it.
So if you're not going to shit on them guys for doing it, then give the fuck up Hogan.
I agree.
I agree.
I agree.
Ooh, good comments.
Gotta give him props.
He globalized the brand.
In a sense, he's the Jordan of WWE.
I wouldn't agree with that.
He is a Jordan.
He is a Babe Ruth.
He's all of that shit.
Because without him, there would have been none of this shit.
Exactly.
It was him, and it was McMahon.
It was him, and it was Vince McMahon.
And Hogan did the Rocky III movie, and that set him up.
And then the first WrestleMania that the Crockett's paid for.
That shit is still in the entrance.
40 years later, that shit is still in the intro to every WWE show.
Him slamming Andre the Giant.
Now, has Hulk Hogan... Now, let me put it like this, okay?
Into perspective.
You have Hulk Hogan, and then you have Terry Bollea.
So, when I look at Hulk Hogan, the character Hulk Hogan, without Hulk Hogan, there is no WWE, period.
There is no professional wrestling.
I don't give a damn who it was.
Hogan was in the right place at the right time
And made this thing what it is.
If it wasn't for him, there never would have been a Saturday Night's Men event.
None of this shit would have happened.
WrestleMania would have happened.
You would not have gotten Mr. T. None of that.
It reminds you, him and Mr. T worked together in Rocky III.
So there's your connection.
So none of this stuff would have happened without Hulk Hogan.
So give the guys this.
It's just you.
Give them this flowers.
A lot of people that talk shit about Hogan probably were jealous that they never got to work with Hogan to begin with.
I would agree with that.
The man changed the business twice.
Yeah.
Twice.
I mean, who are you going to believe?
You're going to believe what Hogan says or the fucking Ultimate Warrior?
Yeah.
But again, if Hogan lost to you, it meant...
hell of a lot more.
If you worked with Hogan, you made money.
It meant a hell of a lot more.
If you beat Hogan in a big main event, you are a fucking made man.
Even if you wrestle Hogan, you get the money.
You know what I'm saying?
It's all about the business.
It's all about, listen, you can beat my ass all damn night.
Just pay me.
Pay me.
I will do the job.
Just pay me.
If you want me to wrestle Hogan and fucking take the leg drop and look at the fucking lightsaber, I'll do it because I know I'm getting paid.
It's going to kill me.
That leg drop is going to kill me.
I'm going to lay there until the audience leaves.
Right.
You want to give me that atomic leg drop?
I will blow the fuck up right in the damn brain.
Pay me.
Yeah.
Pay me, pay me.
Yep.
Because I am going to make money.
That's how it goes, man.
So give the guys, dude.
I can't wait to see what they do with 40 years of Hulkamania.
40 years of Hulkamania.
40 years of Hollywood.
You know what I'm saying?
Yep.
Yep.
It'll be awesome.
I hope we get to see them.
I know we will, but.
Yeah.
It'll be awesome.
Whatever they do, it's going to be awesome.
People still hate to rise to the Hulk again, man.
Get over it, dude.
Yeah, let it go.
Get over it.
Let it go.
You're like Tony Khan.
Tony Khan is competing with WCW.
The ghost of WCW.
Yeah, you're competing with WCW.
Not your competitor.
You're supposed to be a competitor, right?
You're not competing with your competitor, your competition.
I'm competing with WCW that's been dead since 2001.
Right.
Yeah.
Oh, man.
That's funny.
Yeah.
We're going to put dynamite this week against Nitro.
I wonder if he... Let me look and see if he's still talking shit.
Probably is.
If he is, it's awesome.
And he is.
Oh, my God.
Bro, everybody's going in on this shit.
It's crazy.
They drug Abaddon into the shit.
Like, why?
And he keeps coming in with Bishop.
Bishop keeps hitting him with the facts, boy.
Like, it doesn't matter.
Look, and I'm not even a Tony Khan AEW hater.
I'm just a realist to understand that.
Listen, bro, you're never going to accomplish what Eric did in this business, period.
It's never going to happen.
Eric hit lightning with the NWO.
Eric hit lightning with Nitro.
You're never going to be able to beat that.
Just let it go, man.
Just continue to do Dynamites and Rampage and all that shit that you do.
You got a lot of good talent down there.
Do some good shit with those talents.
So that way they don't end up leaving you.
Yeah, man.
Gotta do better.
You gots to be mo-calf.
You gots to be mo-calf.
And it's like I come up here and I'm like, oh, I'm an AEW hater.
No, I'm not.
I wish AEW all the success in the world because there's a lot of guys down there that I like.
It's just they have no direction.
Listen, I am a staunch supporter of AEW.
I know you are.
Even I am like, dude, stop.
Stop.
Like when I saw it, I was like, oh, like when I saw the cage, the cage shit, I was like, oh, I know he's going to respond.
I know he is.
He didn't let me down.
He didn't let me down at all.
Like, come on, man.
Stop.
Don't don't respond to that shit.
Let it go.
He can't.
Let that shit go, man.
They just trying to rob you of Tony.
Stop.
No.
Fuck that.
I got to fire back.
For nothing.
I got to fire back, man.
Terrible.
Terrible.
All right, man.
Let's wrap up with the last segment.
We got a horror movie outlook coming out.
So...
There's a couple movies that I do want to... I thought we already talked about the Rey movie.
Oh, fuck.
Are we going to classify that as horror?
Yeah.
Yeah, as a Star Wars fan, it is a horror movie.
I'm scared to watch it.
That shit's going to give me nightmares tonight.
I don't want to watch it.
No.
No.
No!
But the first movie I want to bring out, they're classifying this as a horror movie.
I don't know if this is actually a horror movie because the first one was classified as a horror movie and I actually laughed through a lot of it.
That's Beetlejuice 2.
They're coming out with another.
They're remaking Beetlejuice.
I don't classify it as a horror movie.
Right?
Yes.
Even though they do have the potential, it's 2024.
The first movie was made in the 90s.
It was more of a comedy.
They can go a little dark here.
There's room for it.
Especially with the upgrades to effects and CGI and all that great shit.
There's room for it.
But I don't think that's actually going to be a horror movie.
Was the Marvel a horror movie?
Depends on who you ask.
Depends on who you ask.
It can be a horror movie.
Also coming out this year, a movie I'm actually looking forward to.
You kind of like the slasher movies.
The Michael Myers movies.
Freddy Krueger, Jason, stuff like that.
Wait, wait, what gave that away?
Is it the thing that's behind me up there on the wall?
Yeah, that.
That.
But also, also, you have a fucking Annabelle doll, which, by the way, I know where that room is that you put that fucking doll in.
I ain't going in there no more.
Oh, Annabelle.
Yeah.
Hold on.
Can you see her?
Yes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Fuck that bitch.
Yeah.
But they are coming out with the first Omen, which is the prequel to the Omen series, which I like that genre of horror or the sub-genre of horror that that is classified in.
So I might actually check that out.
Might actually check that out.
Look at what matches.
Really?
Really?
Bro, do you not, that bitch is lifelike, bro.
Nah, let me tell you something real quick about that.
So I remember I did like a video, maybe like, I don't know, two months ago, something like that, where I had her in the bed.
So the wife, when it was all said and done, she would not touch her.
Yeah, I wouldn't either.
She don't want to touch her.
She said in that quote, okay, let's go ahead and put the bitch in the box.
Yes.
And she wouldn't touch her.
And make sure she's strapped down.
Yeah, you got to pray too, bro.
What the fuck are y'all talking about?
Bro.
It's like my Palpatine mask.
She don't like that either.
Turn around and look at that bitch, bro.
That bitch looks evil.
Nah.
Like, if you didn't have her in the box and you had the fan on, like, the bitch's hair blue, like, I'm leaving.
I'm leaving your fucking house.
I'm out, bro.
Peace.
Peace.
Let me see.
Peace out.
Yeah.
I mean, she's just chilling right here, man.
Mm-mm.
She's just right here chilling.
Mm-mm.
She's literally watching me do the podcast.
Mm-mm.
Nope.
She's literally watching me do the podcast.
No, thank you.
She says, make sure the box is closed now.
You know?
Nope.
Gotta pray for her walking in your house.
You know what's funny?
You know what's funny?
You know what I actually have to listen to before I go to sleep and I get comfortable?
It's two things.
No, three things I listen to because I have it recorded on my phone.
It's Return of the Living Dead, the movie, Halloween, or Friday the 13th.
I have these playing in my headphones.
Okay, that's not bad though.
Oh, I know.
It's not as bad as Annabelle.
You don't know the power of the dark side.
Nope.
I don't.
I wish to never know that power.
Let's see.
Put Mac up here.
He's still talking.
Let's see what he's got to say.
He said, one day you're going to be gone and the doll will be in the room and I ain't going to have nothing to say.
They're going to interview me and I'm going to be like, fam, he was asking for it.
I'm going to tell you.
Let me tell you.
So I have a camera in this room, okay?
Nah, fuck.
See, you're on some paranormal activity shit.
I'm about to tell you.
I'm about to tell you.
So it's a camera right here behind me.
So it has motion, right?
So when I'm gone and the wife's here by herself, the camera goes off sometimes.
Nah.
Nah, see?
Nah.
Just burn the whole house down.
Nah.
Like, we got to get rid of her, bro.
Man, y'all need to put me in some pussies.
nah bro that's like the ultimate that's like the ultimate security for the house just put her by the door and be like i dare you to walk in this well i got i mean it's like i got annabelle right here i got chucky right there i got yoda right here and i got georgie over here see that's too much man just chucky and annabelle is like nah bro
You remember when Childs played when Chucky, she was like, say something, damn it.
You bitch, you stupid bitch.
Like on a stormy night, bro.
You're like, nah, bro.
We got to get the fuck out of this room.
Hey, come on.
Come on, Mac.
We got to get the fuck out of this room, man.
Wait, I'll say it.
Now Mac is saying, you know, he rests his case.
Listen, I understand, bro.
I get it.
All right.
But Annabelle is... Listen, I'll send you some up-close pictures of her later on Facebook.
Crazy shit.
Crazy shit.
Nope.
Absolutely not.
You know, I got a picture.
I got a picture right here of Valak.
You know, the nun.
Right here.
You remember the picture?
You remember from the movie?
I remember.
Yeah.
Yeah, she's sitting right there.
It's too much evil in that room, bro.
Once again, you don't know the power of the dark side.
Nope.
Nope.
I'm about to call Constantine and shit.
Look at him.
The power of the past compelled you.
Yep.
Praying holy water.
Gotta pack some holy water in a flask.
People think you're an alcoholic.
I'm going to Frank D. House.
I need this shit.
You know what I'll do?
I'll take the holy water, drink it.
Oh, I'm Triple H. Hell no.
I'm about to get the College of Biblical Studies over here praying for me.
That prayer ain't going to work, bro.
You probably not want to call them.
Why don't you call some more of your Jedi?
Oh, shit.
Final thoughts, man.
What you got?
Final thoughts is that I'm going to just start sending y'all random pictures of fucking Annabelle.
Nah, bro.
Don't do that shit.
Real close up.
Don't do that shit.
Be like, picture Annabelle under the door.
Yeah.
Ah, the picture under the door.
Hell no.
Hell no.
Oh, my God.
How did she get there?
I don't know.
Grab the baby.
My goodness.
No, my final thoughts are this has been a fun discussion tonight.
Yes.
We hit all the bases.
Yes.
We came in, and we just completely knocked it out of the park.
You know what I'm saying?
That's just pretty much what we do here on No Gimmicks Podcast.
I'm going to give PN.
We've done it.
My gosh, this is, you know, 2024 has started with a bang, and we've got more to come, brother.
Like, you know, it's going to be unbelievable.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Don't forget also Final Shots.
Shout out to the Queens of Nerdum and the Smoke Pit.
Mac did a solo Smoke Pit this past Friday.
Both of those shows are out on all streaming platforms.
This show will be out soon on Thursday.
So...
you saw us on the intro we'll record these probably on tuesdays release them on thursdays we'll try to stick to that schedule um and monday will be the smoke pit tuesday will be queens of nerdom i think wednesday is probably going to be usdn thursday will be us no gimmicks and then friday will be probably the rest of the shows on the network so tune in man tap in
Thank y'all for tuning in.
Oh, also, February 10th, what are you doing?
February 10th, I will be hunting younglings at the Jedi Temple.
All right, all right, okay.
I have no idea, sir.
That's fucking February 10th.
All right, well, I'm asking you now so you can take the day off.
The reason I'm asking you to take the day off
Well, we'll discuss it.
We'll talk about it.
What, you want to go get some charity work or something?
No, we're going to go to the Mission Pro Show on February 10th.
Ah, okay.
Yeah, well, I think we can do that.
Okay.
This is why I'm telling you now.
Yeah.
Yeah, we'll go out there and support real women's wrestling.
Yes.
Sleepless in San Antonio.
That's what the show's called.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
Well, I better not fall asleep.
No, they actually got some good stuff planned out.
So from the last show, Maya World and Jasmine Allure.
Oh, really?
They both won matches.
This is Maddie Rankowski signed to NXT.
She's in WWE now.
She had to relinquish the tag titles.
So they had pretty much a tournament.
Maya World won one half, and she gets to choose her partner.
Jasmine Allure won the other side, and she gets to choose her partner.
We're going to find out who they are, and then they're going to have a match for the Mission Pro Wrestling Tag Team Championships on February 10th.
I like the scenario.
I love that scenario.
I've been campaigning hard for her and Misty Mars to be a tag team.
That's a good combination.
That is a good combination.
We'll see.
February 10th.
Shout out to Maya World too, man.
She's been in ROH too since we've been on break.
She debuted for ROH and then she had a match against Athena and then she had another match against Queen Aminata.
So it's only a matter of time before she gets signed to one of the major feds.
Yep.
It's only a matter of time, but it was really nice to see her debut and do her thing.
And she looked pretty strong in both our matches.
So that's great.
I'm glad to hear that.
And Jasmine Allure too.
Jasmine Allure also.
Oh, Jasmine Allure is one of my favorites.
So is Missy Marks.
Yep.
So yeah, I really enjoy their work and Izzy as well.
Yep.
2024 is going to be an interesting year for all of those ladies.
Yeah.
Yeah.
2024 is going to be an interesting year for just, you know, everything.
Star Wars.
Yep.
WWE.
You know, I guess AEW.
We'll see.
We'll see.
Yeah.
They got some stuff coming down the pipe.
I'm just bullshitting.
You know this, man.
All right, man.
You got anything else?
Nope.
Just always remember, the Empire did nothing wrong.
I don't know about all that.
I don't know about all that.
They did nothing wrong.
Okay.
Okay.
And anything for the animals?
Yeah.
Help control the pet population.
Have your pets spayed or neutered.
And I don't want to hear any bullshit about, well, I got the puppy for Christmas, and now I don't want him.
You should have thought about that before you got him.
It's cold outside.
Bring your dogs in, too.
Yeah, it's cold outside for a pimp.
You know what I'm saying?
It's hard out here.
I mean, if you don't want to be outside in the cold, do you think your damn dog wants to be outside in the cold?
Nope.
So bring your little ruts inside.
Exactly.
You get outside.
He banged on the door like a fucking Fred Flintstone.
Wilma!
Oh, there's no way you didn't hear me.
I was in the shower.
You were in the shower.
Passive-aggressive bitch.
I hear fucking dying because it's cold.
Right.
Oh, shit.
That's it, man.
That's the show.
Thank you guys for tuning in tonight.
Thank y'all for all the comments and making this a great show.
Until next time, y'all have a safe time and enjoy whatever you want to enjoy, man.
Peace.
Yeah, and I don't want to hear about it.
Don't cry about it.
Yeah, don't cry about it.
Yep.
And I know it's all fitness, all fitness, all fitness.
We give them no gimmicks.
Yeah.
And I know it's all fitness, all fitness, all fitness.
We give them no gimmicks.
Yeah.
And I know it's all fitness, all fitness, all fitness.
We give them no gimmicks, gimmicks.