The Good Wife: Season 4, Episode 8 - Here Comes the Judge

In this episode of The Good Pod, hosts Jason Reed and Marissa Garza dissect Season 4, Episode 8 of 'The Good Wife' titled 'Here Comes The Judge.' They analyze the courtroom drama involving Will Gardner, Judge Creary, and a contentious case about a widow accused of arranging her husband’s murder. The hosts delve into the tactics used by both sides, the judge's potential bias, and the subplot of Kalinda dealing with her toxic relationship with Nick. Additional discussions include Alicia's children, especially Grace’s interactions with a bad boy at school, and Zach’s unexpected involvement in Peter’s political campaign. Marissa and Tracy also touch upon how the episode cleverly maneuvers through these interwoven storylines, showcasing both character development and legal intrigue.

00:00 Introduction and Episode Overview
00:52 Podcast Housekeeping and Listener Engagement
01:37 Episode Recap: Courtroom Drama Unfolds
02:53 Will's Tactics and Judge's Bias
04:36 Bar Encounter and Judge's Bias
09:26 Motion for Recusal and Substitution Hearing
18:21 Carrie's Poker Game Revelation
20:57 AA Meeting and Judge's Blackouts
24:31 Case Outcome and Speculations
25:57 Kalinda and Nick's Toxic Relationship
26:07 Nick's Jealousy and Confrontation with Carrie
27:39 Kalinda and Nick's Complicated Relationship
31:16 Grace's School Drama and New Romance
37:44 Zach's IT Genius Revealed
45:03 Concluding Thoughts and Future Speculations

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# The Good Wife S4 E8

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Welcome to the Good Pod, where today we're talking The Good Wife, season four, episode eight. Here comes the judge. I'm one of your hosts, Tracy Reed with me, the woman that says, no one comes between me and my carries Marissa Garza. No, it's true. Marissa, you good? I am good. Are you good? I'm good. I'm very good.

I was very, uh, you know, it's always a mystery. I had no idea where that was gonna land. Yeah. But thank you for landing that, where it did. I was, I was very good in this episode until the last second of this episode where, where a, a stunt double that's supposed to be carried gets beat up in a rainy, uh, street on Chicago.

Uh, yeah, here we are. Good wife. Here comes a judge, season four episode, a very interesting episode. Before we get into everything, we wanna remind you of some free and easy ways you can help this podcast. You can do that by rating, reviewing, and subscribing. [00:01:00] Wherever it is you're watching or listening, you can do all those things.

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Let's get to this movie episode, I should say. All right, well this could have been called. Here Comes The Judd. Am I right? Uh uh. Am I right? Look at you. Look at you. Issa. I love that. That was good. That's, that was a good one. Uh, yeah. Judd, Judd Hirsch, who, listen, I was a Nick Nite kid, right. I was a huge nick and night kid, and I was.

A taxi fan, one taxi was coming on Nick at night. Um, [00:02:00] so I knew, I knew who Judd Hirsh, I've known who Judge Hirsh was for several decades now. Um, so yeah, I was, I was pleasantly surprised to see, uh, Judd Hirsh here. Yeah. He is in the courtroom playing Judge Cleary Cleary. Yeah. And the case before him is being, um, tried by will on one side.

She gets her job. She's right in court. Captain Inger Laura is there. Um, and they are, uh, Will's defending a widow who's accused of arranging her husband's murder. And Detective Inger is like objecting or Will is objecting to everything that her said. She's detective, she's like, not detective, but you know.

Oh, did I say Detective? That's people talking about the other ones. Yeah. Counselor. Counselor Inger, captain Herring. Um. It like Will is, is like objecting to every single thing that she says, because this is her first case and [00:03:00] she's, she's either making like she's not thinking it all the way through and judge, uh, Kerry even like says, Hey, this is all hazing 1 0 1.

Yeah, because Will's objecting to like, every single thing being very, like, nitpicky. I just learned, uh, relearned that phrase in our Elizabeth podcast being very nitpicky about all of her things she's saying. So he, and you know, Willow's really throwing his weight around. He's like, oh, I'm, I'm gonna really get her, watch this.

You know, I'm gonna, I'm gonna object to everything she's saying. I'm gonna get her all flustered, which he does a good job at. And like you said, the judge sees this, he's like, oh, okay. Yeah, I, I see what you're doing. Will, you're being, you're being a little shitty here to, to. I was about do it too to de detective, uh, detective Harington, uh, and, uh, being like kind of, kind of poopy to her and Laura.

Uh, from her, her VantagePoint gets, gets one up on Will, starts doing the same thing back to him, which really like, really gets him all like hot and bothered. He'd be like, huh, okay. All right. Yeah. This [00:04:00] little, this little, I think he likes it and also finds it annoying at the same time. Oh, I thought he was all the way annoying.

Yeah, he, he was like, bro, like this little rookie. A SA gonna come in here and try and, you know, try and get one up on me, will Gardner, me, me will Big league. Big league. Yeah. I, I love this like, you know, a perturbed will is a, is a fun will whenever we see this moment with him and like when it's all over, he is like, he's like, you know, we used to represent you.

She's like, yeah, thanks, but uh, I'm gonna kick your butt now. Yeah, yeah. And he leaves the room kind of like not knowing where the case is and apparently. He's gonna go have a drink with Kalinda at the bar. Uh, and they have a little conversation about Kalinda being distracted. And of course, Kalinda iss not gonna say anything about the fact that she's in toxic relationship with the man that I hate with all of my guts, um, even more than Peter.

Uh, but so they're catching up, but at the bar they see that Judge Curry is like sitting behind him, behind them. So Will's like, I'm just gonna walk by, [00:05:00] I'm just gonna go because I wanna see where they're at. Like this case could basically clear our debt. So I would love which. For a reminder, we were at $12 million last episode.

Mm-hmm. Need $60 million and for whatever reason, apparently. This one case like show save it off. All of our shows do this. Like when they, like, they introduce the, what do they call it? A McGuffin or do do x machina that can like that. The one thing that can solve all of our problems. Everything. And it's in that moment, I knew they would not win this case no matter what happened.

They were not winning this case and getting them money they needed. Right. But it's like, like, oh yeah, this, this could fix. Everything I do wanna talk about like will's like, uh, bemoaning of his situation to kalinda. Sure. He's like, like, you know, people talk about the underdog all the time, but what about the person that's supposed to win?

That's supposed to do well? What about that pressure? I was like, wow. Well, he says, admit to his own narcissism [00:06:00] in this uhhuh. He's like, I am not narcissistic that I need to talk like this, and what I, I'm not okay. Here's the thing. Uhoh narcissism is not my favorite trait of wills, but it is fun with, to poke fun at the narcissist.

Like, like get under his ego. Like, I like when he's flustered. I like when that happens. It is fun when it's so pronounced. Yeah. When I think he even knows he's talking like crazy. Yes. Very much. Like, uh, I, I don't know if I shared on pod, but I am rewatching the Western right. Right now he's like very Josh Lyman in terms of how they both characters operate.

Um, but yes. Yeah. And he is like, I gotta win this, right? Like, so he's like, I'm just gonna walk by the judge's table, and he walks by the judge's table and who's at. Giata someone we haven't seen in like many, many seasons. Oh, I miss Giata. Giada iss. Giata is giata. Let me, Giata is giata. We just say that [00:07:00] Giada is Giata.

And I was a little surprised to see these loving dinner. I was gobsmacked, I tell you. And it's, it's such a weird, very specific coincidence because. Why, why is this judge, how does this, how does it come to be that this judge right is out to dinner with this like very green, uh, law student? I think she's a former lawyer.

Is she, did she make it okay? Yeah, because let's, let's throw it back to when we first met Giata. This was, she was in, she was in law school. Will was doing a favor for probably a former booty call. Um, and he was judging a mock trial and Giata and him kind of locked horns in the mock trial. Giada then comes up to him later and, you know, flashes her.

Beautiful eyes at him and get some insider help, which he then uses to screw over will and get him kicked off of the being the mock judge, which then [00:08:00] inspires Jada and Will to talk some more and, you know, have relations, have relations, get into, get into a, a thingy thing for like probably a good solid three or four episodes with Giata.

Was, was around doing things. I don't remember what exactly. Uh, got him off of Giata. I'm sure it was something Alicia related. Yeah, I think it was that. But sh we also learned that she is like a wine heiress. Yes. And has like all of this money so she can like go and do whatever she wants and, um, she kind of like disappeared.

We learned from, um, later that she will had ghosted her. Yes. In this situation, which is not surprising unfortunately, but, um. Here Shana is meeting or having dinner with Curry. And Curry is a little drunk. He is. Oh, he little. He's litty. Little tips, little tipsy. And he just like sees well, he is like, ah.

You're disbarred, your client is guilty, all of this stuff, you're not gonna win, uh, because of [00:09:00] Actus Reyes, which means like in the legal world, just guilty act. Mm-hmm. Um, and he calls him a liar and a thief and all of this stuff, and basically says like I, and, and this right here is a bench trial. It's not a jury trial.

So he is like, I don't know why you didn't want a jury trial. This per your person's guilty this whole time. And this is like. Red lights to, or red flags to will 'cause he's like, oh crap, we have a bias judge. What are we gonna do about it? So go talk to Diane. Like, Hey, remember, let me just say it one more time.

This is the one case that could get us out. And so they talk about their options. They're like, should we ask for Recru recusal? Like, is that what we need to do? Is that the way to go? And they end up deciding. That is the way to go, but we should do it in chambers and we should have a woman be the person that introduces this motion.

Yeah. Like when, um, Dan was like, we should get Carrie to do it. And we was like, nah, not Carrie. Not Carrie. He's like, he's like, no, and Diane's like, Diane gives him a look. He's like, no, not 'cause of that. Not 'cause I hate him. Not 'cause, not, not 'cause I have a [00:10:00] grudge against him. But because one I like Alicia, and two, the judge seemingly likes, really likes women.

It's like, okay, what? 'cause if Gianna is having a conversation with someone, that person was automatically love women. But yeah, like, okay. I don't know if this is like a former reputation the judge had or if Will is like just judging that moment to be like, uh, he was having dinner with Hotty. Giata, so obviously he's got.

A, a taste for the women's. It's like, okay, sure. I dunno why you would think that would, that would like really appeal to him in that moment, but fine, I guess. Yeah. And Alicia, like is put on the spot here. Like she, she tries so gently to like introduce this motion and, um, judges like. Basically like anything you have to say in front of, you know, my friend can be, or to me can be said up from here.

He is like, that's exactly what it was. Like, no, we need to go in private. Anything you have to say to me, you can say in front of them. It's like, okay, that's what you want. And [00:11:00] Alicia, you know, cites the comments that Will had told her a. What happened at the bar? The judge is like denying any bias. All of this stuff gets tossed out.

Dec decline declines the motion. And so Alicia's like, okay, well I really hate to do this, but we are going to file for substitution or file for substitution for cause because this is not right. Like, there's obviously some sort of bias here. We're gonna have to figure out who could, like if your judge, if the judge should be replaced.

Andre is furious at this. Alicia really handled herself well in this. She stood up, she didn't get flustered. Um, and so the case is transferred for a bias hearing. Sir, it is our right to like, that's like it's our right to have this motion heard. Like, okay, Alicia, go off, girl. Go off. I mean, also like use some of that passion in some of those other cases.

I'd love to see it. Yeah. Love to see it. So we get, um, the substitution hearing in front of. Judge Dunaway, [00:12:00] which to me is weird. Very weird. Tell me why. Because Dunaway was one of the judges that was named in Will's grand jury, uh, appearance that he might the one, these, this judge might have been one of the people that were, uh, up to no good in this elite, in this betting scandal, betting scheme or whatever.

So I was like, why does he now get to. Hear this case about bias of all things when this guy, when this judge could also be biased to Will because he was like caught up in this whole thing, which I guess technically wasn't part of the record because the grand jury case did not go on. Correct. But as we know from this, uh, this episode.

Rumors abound. Things get around. So it's like, why was Dunaway allowed to hear this when he was part of this whole grand jury thing that we're referencing in this case? Well, and I think we'll, like, all right, it is just, you know [00:13:00] what I mean? Like, okay, well no, Alicia, when Alicia sees Dunaway, she's like, oh crap, it's Dunaway.

Yeah. We've had problems because if we remember, Dunaway only got like drug into this thing because That's right. Yeah. He was hearing a case that Diane. Diane and Carrie or Diane. Alicia, were go, were going against Carrie. And there were questions about, was Dunaway uh, being biased himself in this, in this case?

'cause he was like, he was trying to really, he was like nudging our people, being like, you guys are right, but you gotta find me like Right. Find me things you right about. Yeah. And then Wendy, Scott Carr is the one that kind was kind of like. Because this is the mo, this is the, in the time when Wayne Scott Carr had like a real, like passion to get will, uh, off get will al and quote unquote also get Peter, which didn't even at the same time.

Yeah. Which didn't even really. Come to come to being or whatever. And so she was like, oh, you seem to be really chummy with, uh, with Lockhart Gardner. Huh? Were you one of the people that is, is caught up in this right will betting thing. [00:14:00] And so that's kind of how Dunaway got drug into this. But I would think that if we're hearing a case about Will's grand jury.

Issue that the one of the people named in that thing should not be part of the pers proceedings. That was weird to me. Well, you know, resources are low. Okay. Like there's only so many judges to go around and I guess it's weird that like, it is weird. Not, it wasn't even mentioned though. It was like, wasn't even like any passing mentioned, but Okay, cool.

Dunaway's here. Dunaway's cool. I like Dunaway. He, he, and he's also like very protective of judges. He's like, mm-hmm. This is. Basically like, I can't believe I have to do this, but we're gonna do it and we're gonna keep this. The only thing that we're gonna talk about in this courtroom is. Curry's prejudice if it exists or not.

We're gonna not gonna talk about anything else. We're gonna keep it focused on that. 'cause if we go anywhere else, there's a chance I could be pulled into it too. And so I'm gonna be staying on target here. Dun and Dun always you like, I can't believe I have to do this. 'cause when my, one of my brother judges basically Yeah, [00:15:00] very passionate about his, his fellow judge being accused of something.

Yeah. So Will goes on the stand, says what happened at the bar, um, and. Laura basically uses Will's suspension and as like, evidence of past misconduct, like, yeah, this is not surprising, this is how it was gonna go. And in the courtroom is George Judge Creary, and he passes the note to Lauren, says, okay, put me on the stand.

And he gets on the stand and he denies everything. It's like he wasn't even at the bar that was going on and it, it was very convincing. It wasn't like. He was trying to gaslight in the situation. It's like he literally didn't remember it. Like right. He, he's saying this as if it's truth like no, that did not happen.

I also loved how Laura gave it to Will on the stand because she's like, if you type in Will Gardner Yes. Into Chum Hum, what do you get? And I love the callback. To the last Neil Gross case we had where he made sure the algorithm, whenever you typed in Will [00:16:00] Gardner, the first thing it came up was Will Gardner depart?

And so, so Lords like, well, you know, if you type that into your chum home, maybe that's where query got this notion from that you were disbarred. And I'm like, Will's like. Well, that'd be real weird since I was literally arguing a case in front of him. How could I be disbar and arguing a case in front of him?

So, whatcha talking about Laura? Well, and also like, I think she's using the, the search engine says like mm-hmm. This about you. So why, why is cur being held? Responsible for something like that. The public has information, he just inform facts. Yeah. Like that's just what it's, and will's like. That was, um, a joke by an opponent.

Like he knows I held up. Yeah. Which I dunno why he thinks that's like a reasonable, like, defense of that. I'm like, um, okay, well it's, and it's just, he's like, well, I guess, I guess, uh, a lot of people think you're a thief and a liar and it's like, objection.

Yeah. And then crew goes on and denies everything and at this point they're like, okay, we're gonna need a [00:17:00] witness from the bar. Can I get a witness? Be Jason. Who could it be? Who could it be now? Oh, Giata Giata and her wine and her ice cream and her some chicken brown. Wow. Yeah, will goes in and like playing the will charm all the way up, does the whole thing, does the deed, does all of the things.

And then she like, what do you want? Like, why are you here? And yeah, she's like, well, it'd be kind of cool if you like testified in this case. Just like, I'm not gonna do that. Like that something I do knew what she knew what it was from the start. She's like, I'm a, I'm a, you know, I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go with the flow.

We going to get some, we gonna get it in because I mean. Will apparently is pr probably pretty good at this, uh, thing. So like yeah, we're, we're in the postal glow and he's, he's like, perfect time to ask my question. And [00:18:00] Geo was like, oh yeah, for sure. Yeah. I knew exactly what this was gonna be. She's like, so you want me.

New-ish lawyer giata to cross a judge to, to testify against a judge. You think you think I'm gonna do that? Like right now? No. No, no baby. No, no. I will go back to reading about farm subsidies. Thank you very much. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And meanwhile, Carrie goes to play poker with some of of his friends over at the, at.

From from that he made as a SA Yeah. Carrie. As Carrie as who's also known. Clutch. Carrie. 'cause this is a, this Carrie came in real clutch in this movie. He sure did. He came outta nowhere. Like I did not know how he was gonna get tied into the storyline, but he did because he, while he is playing, um, poker, someone confirms that Curry did call Will a iron a thief, and that judges have joked about Will's suspension.

So there is a bias among the bench as a whole around. Will's position in the court? Well, well, I mean, this specific thing was to get him to say that query did was around, [00:19:00] was walking around, calling, calling Will a liar and a thief. So it's like it's, this is proof that right query thinks this about will.

Right. And then Laura turns it and be like, well actually a lot of judges are out here. Say that about Will. And those judges also have ruled in Will's favor. So we can't really say that because the, the judge thinks he line of thief affects any judgment because. All these other people did the same thing and they ruled in favor of him.

So can't feel bias there. So I don't know what you're talking about, but also when he gets on the stand, he is like, I am doing this. I don't wanna be doing this. Love that. It was like very, I guess, okay. They did this a couple times when it was like, you know, obviously Carrie came in here, came into that poker game with a specific.

Objective on his mind. He's like, I'm a, I know where this guy plays poker. I know who he is. I know I, and I love that we didn't get an insight into that until it happened. Right. Because I was like, why are you with Carrie at this poker game? I thought it was gonna be connected to the Nick storyline. Agreed.

It [00:20:00] was, it was connected to the, uh, the Will and Diane's storyline, or Will and Alicia's storyline, whatever. And like, I love, you're like, oh yeah, you, you clerk cur, right? Smash cut to boom. The clerk on the stand. I was like, and they did it a couple times. I was like, that was a really ingenious moment to be like this jovial guy talking to his friend Kerry.

And all of a sudden, like, I don't want to be here. Like I'm, I'm doing this under duress. Like I thought I was talking to a friend Uhhuh, but I am here. Do you clerk for the judge that is sitting in front of you in the office? Yes, yes I do. Um, so yeah, Laura kind of mixes this whole thing, but it was a person, he came in clutch.

She got somebody on the stand for, for Will in this case. And there's also conversation around like a, a change in Judge Cury when his wife left him. And apparently he had struggled with drinking. And so Alicia says, can you look into this? And. Client's like, sure, I'll go to an AA [00:21:00] meeting. We get another sort of jump cut, smash cut here, because she goes and talks to someone at the AA meeting saying like, Hey, is Judge Curry here yet?

She's like, oh, she's usually here. Boom. Hey, do you. Go to the same meetings as someone in, um, as judge, uh, and I mean, I'm glad they addressed this in the court because I was like, this is Alcoholics Anonymous. Like, first of all, you're outing this woman as an alcoholic by saying if she says she goes to, to these meetings, and then you're also outing the judge.

Um, but it is cleared up that AA is not covered by any sort of privilege of any sort. So these questions must be answered. Yeah. I love that. Turns out, yeah, it was like, yeah. Yeah. I love how Dunaway is also like very kind of like discu, like, he's like, I don't love this. Like I, this is disgusting. But yes, it's, it's gotta, it is the law.

Yeah. I love how we see how Dunaway is feeling about this throughout the whole case where he is like, again, he is like, just [00:22:00] try to like, oh, I can't believe I had to do this to another judge. I can't believe I've gotta do this. But yeah, I guess you got, I guess we're legally allowed to do this, so go ahead.

So, um, we find out through her testimony that Curry relapsed after marital problems and had experienced blackouts. So now the whole thing is like, is it possible that he was drinking so much that he blacked out that he was saying this? Yeah, and it's really interesting that when this is revealed, Dunaway is like.

Nudges Laura to object. She's like, uh, don't you wanna object? Oh, don't you guys object to Laura. Meanwhile is like having a thought. She's like, she's having her own like ELs with Eureka moment. She's like, oh, okay. Like to connect some dots. And she's like, Laura, don't you, don't you wanna object? Uh, counselor?

And she's like, oh, oh, oh yeah, object. Uh, leading. It's like, no, she just says objection. And he says, he's like, sustained. Sustained, leading. Yeah, exactly. It was like, and one day's like, oh my God, we can't, bro, we can't win with this, with this thing here. Uh, because Dunaway's obvi, dunaway [00:23:00] in a hearing about bias, Dunaway is obviously bias in this moment, which is like just also we've talked about this before of like the kind of the ridiculousness of.

Some of the law system, uh, that that takes place. Well, you mean we are, I don't wanna advocate, this is gonna sound really like we're humans. We have learned experiences. Yeah. We all have bias. I am not advocating for a system that is not human. Because if you watch and or that ha that did happen and that was bad.

Um, but AKA no boy as case. No. Boy, boy. Yeah, exactly. It would be no. Boy, boy. And so, um. I'm not advocating for that, but maybe advocating for a system that acknowledges the humans in it. Yeah, just in general on all sides would be great. Yeah, because I, I think to expect Dunaway to be unbiased here is a reach, because as we saw, he's very protective of his brother, judge.

Yeah. And I don't think there is a, I mean, he, he does end [00:24:00] up doing the right thing at the end, but because there's kind of like. Evidence of that. But you know, I, I, I don't think we can expect everyone to be as upright as Dunaway is and to do the right thing in all cases. And he does do the, he's like, I don't have a clear, I don't have clear.

Approve fear of anything. So because of that, we gotta reassign the case. Like he doubts the memory of Query's situation, even though query is denying that he was there. He is like, I can't trust that because of your blackout history. So we're gonna reassign the case. And after that ruling, Laura comes up, it goes, yes, by the way, um, act Reyes is actually like a cheating forum.

So your client was on that and had a profile and everything, so. You could take 25 years if you really like, if you want to. Yeah. So I think, you know, they didn't, we didn't get in true good wife fashion. We did not get the, uh, exact. Result of this, but I'm gonna go ahead and assume that we did [00:25:00] not win this case.

Yeah. To solve all her problems. Solve, yeah. Yeah. And that the client who the, you know, the case sounded actually interesting. We gotta abandoned the actual case of it all. Like did this woman hire her lover to kill her husband? Um, I'm gonna go ahead and assume that she did do this and she is going to go to jail and our people are not gonna get their money for winning whatever.

I think, 'cause I think what the thing was is if we win this case. We get this woman's business who inherited all of her husband's riches, right from the fact that he's dead, right? And with her business we will be. We'll get out of solvent. We will be able to cook Clark out. We, even though I really think Clark should be their accountant, but Yes.

Yeah. So I'm assuming we, that didn't work out and she's going to jail for 25 years. Yeah. So that was the case of the week. We also had some other things going on, unfortunately. Oh, we were, we gone so long without talking about the kids. No, no, we're not talking about them yet. We're gonna postpone a little bit.

We're gonna talk about the [00:26:00] kalinda slash nick of it all. Just gonna sandwich this in here because Yeah. I, I just wanna get it over with basically. Sure. But Nick is in the office again, like, apparently this is like the world's longest contract situation that has ever been done. And so he's sitting in the office and he's noticing that Carrie and Kalinda have like rapport.

Mm-hmm. And he does not like this. So he sit. Down with Carrie and basically makes a line of questioning saying like, oh, do you wear a Calvin Klein suit? Oh, are you gay? And Carrie's response to This was perfect. I loved it. He was like, Uhhuh, what are you doing? Whatcha, whatcha talking about? Like, because you know, I think Nick is like weirdly like.

Envious of Carrie, like, oh, you wearing this suit that's attracting kalinda. Like, she never smiles at me. Yeah. She never like waves to me. Yeah. He sees him like, well, smiling wave. He's like, why is she saw that wave at you? Was, did you see? What kind of suit are you wearing? He is like, Carrie's, Carrie has to look, Carrie's like [00:27:00] he, I don't know.

That's, yeah. Looks like it's a Calvin Klein. Uh, why, like you don't hear that on the weekend do you? I's like, no. Like, it's like, I, I just want people thinking you're gay. You know what I mean? Do, do people think, think you, you're gay for wearing that type of stuff. It's like Carrie is just like flabbergasted.

He is like, I, I think you should leave. Like, because I'm very like uncomfortable. Maybe wait until we have Alicia here, so I have another adult present. I don't know. Yeah. Like, fuck, I need protection from you, my guy. And so, yeah. I love when, when Nick leaves and carries us down, he is like, what the hell just happened?

Like, what, what was that? I don't even know what happened. Yeah. And so Kerri has that conversation, and then we get a little scene of Kalinda and Nick in bed. Uh, gonna have in the, in the glow, in the POIs coital glow, which, ugh, Kalinda seems very, like, happy, happy in this moment. I'm like, okay, this doesn't seem like, 'cause I feel like from what we've seen most of the time [00:28:00] with these two, she's begrudgingly with him, but she seems like.

Real happy in this moment. I don't like it. Which, which, you know, the last that we saw from Nick and Clinda was him getting that photo from Lana's house. Mm-hmm. Which I guess put him in her good graces. I don't know. I mean, at least in a, maybe I shouldn't trust Lana type of world. And so if I'm gonna be sexually satisfied.

Nick is here. You know what I mean? Like in that sort of way. Uh, but col, they're in bed. Kalinda gets a call. It's Alicia, okay? Alicia's calling to say, Hey, can you look in to judge to the judge's alcohol situation? She's like, yes, I'll do that. You know, if you, and also like if you wanna get a drink to talk about it, because Alicia talks about like other things that are going on.

I'll be there for you. This sets up a red flag for jealous Nick, because Nick is like, Hey. Who was that person? Was it Carrie? She's like, no, it wasn't Carrie. And she goes, [00:29:00] take a shower. And freaking Nick uses recall. First of all, Kalinda should know better. There should be a passcode on that phone. Um, but uses and to redial.

And because Alicia and Carrie shared office, Carrie answers the phone on Alicia's desk, and that's enough for Nick to basically stalk, uh, Carrie and follow him out to the parking, the top floor of the parking garage while it's raining. And beat this man, Carrie, in the middle of the rain and say basically like, take back Kelvin Klein.

Oh, I was like, not Carrie. No. Uh, let's talk about the moment where Clinda and Willa meeting up again for the second time. This episode? Yes. Where she asked, she asked Will, does he get jealous? How did, yeah. I was like, what? But I was like, Colin's not the jealous one. No. In this situation though, she's trying to be like, what are your secrets?

Let me tell them to Nick, like, how can I get Nick to be like, will and be jealous and get over it? [00:30:00] And I guess that was it. Yeah. I, I guess so. But it, it, I was like, why is CL having this conversation? Clinton's not the actual jealous woman, but I guess you're right. She's like, she's having an issue with a jealous person, so she's figure out someone else that gets jealous because I guess Colin doesn't have that emotion, which is like.

Clinton's like, I don't get jealous. I'm kalinda. People are jealous of me. I don't get jealous of other people. Uh, so I need, I need some insight from a more jealous person to figure out how to get over jealousy so I can coach Nick on how to not be jealous, I guess. Sure. Yeah. I mean, yes, I think that's, that's the direction it was going, but it also did give us a little more insight into will mm-hmm.

Stop caring and where at stop caring, start seeing other people or you tell them not to see other people, or you just pack it up. It's like, alright, uh, which would be great if you just kicked him out. But yet to be seen yet to be seen. So that was kind of, at least it was a small moment, but also Carrie's left in the parking lot and I hope he is okay.

And I don't want him to be hurt. [00:31:00] I hope he is still alive saying this people that, that, that know about the future of the show, I hope he is still alive. I hope he is not dead. Oh no. Is Carrie dead? Hey. Yeah, we'll see. We'll see. We will see. All right. We've delayed it long enough I guess. Let's talk about these children.

Kids are back, y'all. The kids are back. I feel like we've, it's been a minute since we've had like a kid-centric, not since, uh, episode one I think of this season when we had the Zack driving issue. Very nice. In my opinion, especially, especially Grace had been MIA for like a while and it is confirmed that Grace is still, grace in Grace is still Grace, but she is not.

The other grace. Um, so there's yes, yes. Luckily, she, there's a student by the name of Grace dies by suicide at Grace. Flox school and everyone, it was a pillow, overdoses. Everyone's kind of like dealing with this. Alicia gets a like a call from the school. I don't even know if she listened to the whole message or whatever.

[00:32:00] And then she just calls Grace and is like, Hey, what's going on? And apparently students are wearing yellow bracelets for Remind, like to remind everyone of her of the Grace who, who died. And there's a bunch of rumors going around. Was it a breakup, was it abortion? And they all seemed sort of stemmed around this kid, Connor.

And I liked how, I liked how a lot of this was handled, including the, the call to Alicia where yeah, she's like, uh, I don't need to know this. I, I know something's wrong. Let me call Grace. And then the kids at school basically spreading rumors and gossip about what actually happened. And there's like a thousand different stories going on about what actually happened, which is very like very real.

Yes. Yes. And Connor, Connor is the, for you elder millennials out there, the Jordan Catano character of. Grace's world, if you do are not familiar with Jordan Catano, I highly recommend watching my so-called life on Disney Plus and or Hulu. It is only a one season show. Uh, it [00:33:00] scarred a lot of us millennials when it got canceled.

It's, it's part of television history, so highly recommend watching it. Um, it's really the only Jared Let thing I can continue to watch in, in 2025. Um, but yes. Hi. He's got that like recluse, outsider, smoker, bad boy type of vibe. And he goes in the bushes in this like cut out bush place and like, smokes. And I was like, what?

What is this? A secret garden or something like as grace, like, like enters the secret garden. I was like, is this Narnia, is this like a secret garden? What is like almost a whole new world full of cigarette smoke? Yeah. Uh, basically and at, at the moment, like the get. They almost get caught for like being out there and for smoking and in the, I don't know if you wanna call it the adrenaline in the moment, Connor and Grace Intertwine hands, which as you know for high school is a big move.

Big move. Yeah. Grace is all hot and bothered by it. She's like, oh my [00:34:00] God, he's holding my hand. And Grace who came in here, like came in here being Grace, just asking like questions like God. Yeah, like, bro, I'm not here for this. Like, Connor's, like what are, what are we doing? What, what are we doing here? Like the, you know, I'm so sorry about the other grace, like, grace being annoying.

Grace as she as she is. Yeah. Like, and yeah, like you said, Connor, her start holding hands and she tells him, you know, you shouldn't smoke, get lost, grace, like. You know if this, if this is 2025, this would be a vape. This would be like a vape pen. It would be, yeah. So I was like, I was just so funny about how this man, this, this little boy is smoking cigarettes.

I was like, oh, 2012. Well, I mean, yeah, he could have been doing, you know, other things, but he wasn't, he was just smoking and so I feel like that's not great, but it's not okay. Just you heard that everyone, [00:35:00] oh gosh, grace, my is poor adolescent smoking. Grace is all for young people giving themselves lung cancer by smoking cigarettes.

She's all for it. Yeah. You said grace. So I Yeah, grace is all for it. She supports it. Yeah.

She wants grace to get lung cancer. You heard it ear phone. I do not. I do not. Anyway. Uh, Alicia, so Eli has been, Eli sent Alicia three emails during the day that. You're reading my email, uh, and one of them had an attachment of a video of school and they could see Grace Flore sitting next to Connor and like, you know, I don't know, we don't really know what's going on.

Alicia's like, you know, people can see you we're in the middle of election, all this other stuff. And you know, let's talk about the girl that died by suicide and Grace actually like explains. Self-harm pretty well here. Uh, she talks about how a lot of girls at school cut [00:36:00] themselves and Alicia's like, why would they do that?

And she, her response is, at, at least you can see yourself heal. Like it's something that kind of helps in that area. And she's like, I don't do it. Like I'm not gonna do it. But that's what people. That's what people are looking for. Yeah. And later in the episode, Connor's over. So I guess Connor's gonna be sticking around for a bit.

I don't know. Yeah. Huh. Um, yeah, her and her and Connor are hanging out again. She's like, he, she wants to talk more about the other greats. Like, why are you still asking about the other greats? Like, what, what are you doing here? Like, Connor, all you do, all you do is talk about the other Grays, Connor's, basically like, listen.

I come back here with girls to do a certain thing. Okay. There's no freaking mattress. Did you see that? Yeah. Yeah. I did. Like, I thought we came here to do like a certain thing grace's, like, I'm not doing that thing with you. And Connor tries to get a kiss. She's like, no, not doing that. I'm going back to class.

That bends out [00:37:00] and kisses him. Anyway. Yeah. So this is Grace's, uh, bad boy era starting. She's gone from, she's gone from the, uh, Christian boy, I forgot what his name was. YouTube. Yeah. YouTuber to bad boy Connor. Now. Well, and not only does she like, say we're not gonna kiss, then she's like, I gotta go to class.

And she does the classic stop, turn, kiss and then smile. She was pretty proud of herself. Flustered, flustered, running like, oh, I can't believe I did that. I, I guess that was her. Oh. Do you think that was her first kiss? Uh, good question. As far as far as we know. Maybe as far as, no, yeah. Basically. Yeah. Um.

Yeah. And. As you said, as, uh, Eli is talk is at the floor council talking to Zach about what Zach got going on. Oh, well, yes. So can, can I set that up a little bit? Yeah, go for it. Uh, what's going on at the campaign is like, it is doing great. It numbers are [00:38:00] fantastic. We need. I don't dunno what the IT numbers would be.

Yeah. I have no idea how that would be measured, but Okay, fine. The IT department is on top of the world. It's bringing in money. It's like it's helping, like it is bringing in so much money. I was like, how, how does that work? They're like, don't worry about it Jason. This doesn't the explanation. Just go with it.

Wear pressure to it. It's helping. Okay. Just leave it at that. Like we should get the head of it. Like a promotion, like go like lean it. And she's like, so they do that and the, the girl, she's like, I don't know, like not even that much older than Zach in, in real life or whatever. She's like, I need you guys to see her.

Like, and Zach's like, I can't, I have to go to, like, I have to go home. I, I'll be back maybe tomorrow and it's like, oh, that's where your IT numbers are coming from. That's why you're doing so. Yeah, because the only computer genius in Chicago. In Zach Chicago, in the state of Illinois in the entire world is Zach Florick.

Zach is [00:39:00] racking up quite the resume. Zach is like, I helped fix computers at Lock Car Gardner, and now I'm helping, uh, it over at the Florida campaign. This guy, this little boy is a computer genius because the, it is all hinging. On teenager Zach Florick. Okay. And there's a difference between it and social media, right?

Like everyone knows this like, like it is the setting of, of software and hardware to make an organization run. Social media and web design is a totally different skill, totally different thing. And we have been shown that, you know, he knows how to like go around the internet, but it is not being presented to us.

That is what he is working on. That could bring in the money. The only way I could bring in money is by like lowering expenses. I dunno what Zach is doing. Like I would love an explanation of like, what is Zach exactly doing? Then I just feel like the show, if I was talking to the Kings, I'd be like, what is Zach doing?

They'd be like it, like, yeah, but what in it is he doing? He's doing it. We're just gonna leave it at that. We're not gonna explain anything else to you's doing it. You know, he's doing computers. [00:40:00] Jason. Okay. He's doing computer. An it, but it, but it's part of it. Yeah. The revealed, this is actually really good because it is like, it's like, Jake, you, we need you, Jake.

And like we see the back of him, he turns around, it's like, oh crap. It Zach. Well 'cause like, uh, yeah. 'cause. The, the supervisor lady brought Eli over and was like, we need this guy. Like he's, he is telling me he can't work more. We need this guy. So Eli's like, okay, fine, I'll show him whose boss. And then like, he gets up, turns around and Eli's like, Nope.

Well, I mean that was the, that was the reveal to Eli. But the reveal to us and the scene before was like, oh my God. And Zach. And then when they to Eli happens, he's like. Oh God, here we go. Like, no, get. And so I'm like, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. Okay. You were, you were in this packed office. There are like, he doesn't know dozens of people here with his eyes.

No one see them. No one knows what the son of Peter Fork looks like. No one has spotted him until this moment. Eli is the only person [00:41:00] in this whole campaign office. That's the thing. That's the thing that is the magic of the white man because the world is built around them, but also they can. They go and see him.

You cannito anytime like John Cena was, right? Like you can't see. You can't see them. Can't see me. Yeah, exactly. So yeah, I don't know how no one was like, because he has come in and worked with on the campaign before. Yeah. Isn't that the son of Peter Ford guys? That's that guy's, not Jay. He's Zach. Like, what do you, what do you mean?

It's like, it's as if like, I wish he would've like, put on glasses or something. Like the superman car kind of thing. Or put a leg put on a hoodie. Yeah, put a hoodie. Like the whole thing. Yeah. Like, oh, because he has on this one piece of, of thing, he, we don't recognize him as Zach Florick. Just like when Clark Kents puts on the glasses, he don't know he's Superman.

Well, and he so crucial to the team that Eli has to go over to the house without the parents there and say, look, this is how you pitch this to your parents. Like we need you on the team. You're gonna be involved in the, if you know you're gonna, you're involved in the campaign by proxy [00:42:00] basically because you are these people's children.

So you're gonna be here. He might as well be doing something with that. Yeah. He goes, I was never here. Don't tell your mother I'm with this. But then he goes, then he goes and like he overplays his hand. Eli does, I think because then he goes to Alicia. Yeah. That was weird. I was like, it sets the whole thing up before she gets home.

And, you know, she says, of course, when presented with this, I'll think about it. Which is usually that's what she said, uh, with the car situation, like, Zach is going to get this to happen, like this is gonna happen. 'cause Yeah, and well, here's the thing, right, because it's, you know, looking at it from like, uh.

Parents' perspective. I'd rather you be in the campaign office helping out there than doing some other stupid stuff. Because if you're gonna like smoking on the roof, yeah, grace. And so like, if you're gonna do it anyway, I might as well know about it and control it as best as I can. If you're in a, you're in a closed environment, you're not out there [00:43:00] canvassing or something, you're doing something you're good at.

Might as well let you go ahead. I think it's, it's part of, like, this whole thing was interesting because we get a moment at the end where Zach pitches her his idea and she's like, okay, I'll think about it. He is like, really? Like, I thought it was gonna be much like a much harder fight. And also like Grace comes in at to the scene, sits down, and Lisa, you're like, she's like, why do I, why do you smell like cigarette smoke?

And she's like, it's not me. And she's like, oh, it's, it's him. Huh. So Alicia also is like. I think it's, it's part of Alicia letting go and realizing her kids are growing up and being like, I'm not great with you hanging out with a boy who smokes, but I know if I like try and control this more, gonna be married by Tuesday.

Yeah. It's gonna get worse. So I guess I have to like accept this because she looks at both of them. Like, are these still my children? Like what? Like. This, this one's doing it at a political thing. This one's hanging out with a [00:44:00] smoker. Uh, who are my children? Where, where did this grow up growing up thing come from?

Which only leads me to hypothesize that these yahoos will be in a couple more episodes because the kids, yeah, the kid. Yeah, obviously. I mean, this was a Peter free episode, so, um, listen, we can't get all we want, right? We didn't have any Peter or Jackie this episode. Yeah, that was great. You gotta take the kids.

It's all right. I, I hope this will, uh, tide us over a little bit. Like, all right, we got the kids in episode eight. Hopefully, you know, it was eight episodes since we had a big kid centric storyline. Maybe we can go to episode 16 without another kid, without another kid centric storyline. Well, I mean, I have a feeling.

Like something's gotta heat up in the campaign. Zach is there, you know what I mean? Like something maybe so, or he just disappears into the IT bullpen and he's fine and we don't need to hear anything else about it. I mean, that would be great. Like I take me to that timeline, but I don't know [00:45:00] where or how.

That will go. But yeah, that was basically is the, did I leave anything out? Is there anything else you wanna touch on? No, I think we got it. I'm, I'm worried about our boy Kerry. He's, uh, yeah. Getting his ass handed to him or no. Lying in the rain. Like we Yeah. Or the stunt double. That is Carrie. I was like, like, you guys realize that we can all see that's not carry, right?

Like they. Like, I know we'll put it in the rain and we'll do weird lighting so that no one knows that. That's not Carrie, but we'll say the line Calvin Klein, so you know that it's 'cause literally, Marissa, I was watching this and I was like, who is this and why are they getting beat up? I was not understanding.

So the guy said, did I mess up your Calvin Klein shoot? I was like, oh, that's supposed to be Carrie. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So funny, so funny. Um, okay, uh, Marissa, we are at the end of the episode. Do you wanna tell the good folks where they can find you and, uh, all you're up to? You can find me at it's me, marissa g.com with [00:46:00] links to all of the other podcasts I'm on.

I, of course, am always talking here with you, Jason, about the Good Wife and Elsbeth. Um, you can also find me on the whirlwind podcast network, talking about Pretty Little Liars one previously on at a time. And my sister and I are somewhere in space. On the USS sisterhood, watching Star Trek, the Next generation.

Other than that, that's pretty much it on, on the podcast front for me. Uh, Jason, where can people find you? You can find me talking about, uh, reality TV nonsense right now. Ooh. Uh, and Asia Welch are talking about the show Murder for a site. It is in its 19th season. It's in a new streaming home over at Peacock.

Come check us out. This, the season's about halfway done. We just released our episodes 11 through 12. Uh, recap, which is the next, the most recent drop. We have one more drop left in the season and then. We're done, ready for sight for the season. Uh, so we're recapping that. We're also over on Patreon if you wanna go to a perfect match, Patreon and, uh, find us there as well.

We're talking to different guests about [00:47:00] their thoughts about the season as well. Uh, so that's where you can find me, uh, at the, uh, perfect Match podcast, both, uh, regular and on Patreon. So check that out. Uh, and that's it for me. That's it for Marissa. Also check out our else with coverage. Uh, yes. Where, where the term No.

Boy, boy was originated this week. Which we will be now using in our lexicon. Oh, it'll make sense. It makes sense. Yeah. No way equals no good. No bueno. Not no bueno. No bueno. No bueno is shorten is lengthened to No way. Yeah. Um, but like it's cutesy, right? Like it's it's cutesy. Yeah. It's cute. It's cutesy.

Yeah. So the kids are gonna pick it up. Um, yes. Because we originated it here. So spread out into Yeah. Your everyday lives. So that we can get no wave way trending. And then when people go, just like people go, where did six seven come from? And no one knows when people go to where did no wave way come from?

It will come back to here. Yes, it'll originate from the good pod. Like millennials still have game, like that's what I'm saying, like we're still in it. We're still shaping the [00:48:00] culture, right? Yes. And so this is my experiment to see if no boy, boy will infiltrate and, and get there. Let's go. Let's do it. No, boy, boy.

Uh, and until next episode, stay good. I.

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