Her Journey from Immigrant to Immigration Attorney: Evelyn Moon’s Story of Passion & Purpose

Show Notes

What does it take to turn personal struggle into a calling that changes lives? Meet Evelyn Moon, an immigrant who came to the U.S. at 14, learned English from scratch, and went on to become a leading immigration attorney.

In this episode, Evelyn opens up about her journey as a mom of two boys, her family’s move from Korea, and how her experiences fuel her passion for helping others achieve the American dream. From business immigration to family cases, Evelyn explains why it’s about more than paperwork—it’s about opening doors of opportunity.

What you’ll learn:

• Evelyn’s personal journey immigrating from Korea as a teenager.
• The challenges—and funny moments—of raising two young boys.
• Why she’s passionate about business and investment immigration.
• How immigration creates U.S. jobs and opportunities most people don’t realize.
• The real human side of immigration law and why it matters.

Why watch?

• Get inspired by Evelyn’s personal story of resilience.
• Learn the truth about immigration law from someone who lives it daily.
• Understand how legal immigration strengthens families, businesses, and the economy.

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What is Let Me Tell You a Quick Story?

“Let Me Tell You a Quick Story” is a podcast where the host, Chris Chudacoff, shines the light on his friends, diving deep into their personal and professional lives. Each episode is a candid, funny and entertaining conversation that explores their journeys, challenges, and success-without distractions, side shows or commercials! Whether it’s career milestones, personal growth, authentic embarrassment or unexpected adventures, this podcast is all about celebrating the people in Chris’ live. With genuine curiosity and relaxed atmosphere, “Let Me Tell You a Quick Story” brings out the best stories from every day people, making each episode a unique and relatable experience.

Speaker 1: 00:00

Hey, everybody. Welcome to my show. You've heard me before. Call it

Speaker 2: 00:03

a

Speaker 1: 00:04

podcast. It's really just an excuse to sit down with some of my friends and put it out there for people to really just kinda have some fun with it and and maybe learn something. The the people that I have on my show are friends first, and they're total experts, total pros. It's it's not like a referral I'm trying to make. It's an introduction.

Speaker 1: 00:25

And today, man, I'm really excited because I'm sitting down with someone who I just have so much respect for. Her name is Evelyn Moon. She's an incredible mom. She's an incredible friend, and she's a powerful immigration attorney. And I can't wait for you to learn a little bit more about her.

Speaker 1: 00:42

So let me tell you a quick story. Thanks for coming in today. You got your typical, you know, suit on because you always dress so well, and and and I I admire that about you. Thanks for coming on and taking a hot seat, I caught a little bit, where we get to talk about being a mom and an immigration attorney and stuff like that. So thanks for carving out some time you're busy to sit down with me today.

Speaker 2: 01:08

Thank you so much for having me, Chris. It's an honor.

Speaker 1: 01:10

Yeah. Thank you. Let's just jump right into what's really important. You're the mom of two boys. Yes.

Speaker 1: 01:17

Now one of I'm the youngest of five, four boys and a girl. One of the things I love, I get a couple reels, some Facebook, some Instagram. Anything marriage related is funny for me. Mhmm. Sports related stuff.

Speaker 1: 01:32

And somehow I get a bunch of reels on crazy kids. Yeah. And my favorite reels these days are the pictures of a mom with, like, a daughter, and the daughter's kinda sitting there whether she's coloring or playing or and then there's the next picture of the three boys that are beating each each other up with baseball bats and jumping off the couch and pillows. Now I live that life, by

Speaker 2: 01:52

the way. Yes. Yes.

Speaker 1: 01:53

You're a mom of two young boys. How much fun is it watching them do whatever it is that they do on a crazy level that just makes you think, oh my gosh, like, are they gonna make it? Like, how does this work?

Speaker 2: 02:05

Yeah. I mean, it's really fun to be a mom of two boys. Yeah. My boys are seven and three years old. He's actually turning three years old this month, end of this month.

Speaker 1: 02:13

Yeah. I love that.

Speaker 2: 02:14

And, you know, they have four years of age gap. Right? So I thought, you know, they wouldn't really get along together, right, because of the age gap?

Speaker 1: 02:23

Sure. Because of the difference.

Speaker 2: 02:24

Yeah. The age difference. But, man, they fight, they yell, but they hang out together and everything. But it's a constant battle for sure. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 02:35

Lots of noise, lots of breaking noises. Right? Yes. Lots of screaming and yelling and crying, but it's really fun to be a mom of two boys. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 02:43

I really treasure this moment. I almost want to kind of freeze this time Yeah. Because it's so precious and I know that it'll it won't last forever. Yeah. It goes fast.

Speaker 2: 02:54

Mhmm. It goes by really fast. I can already tell, right, how fast it goes by. We're just talking about it. Right?

Speaker 1: 02:59

Yeah. For sure.

Speaker 2: 03:00

So I really want to freeze this moment. I really enjoy being a mom.

Speaker 1: 03:04

Oh my gosh. I I love hearing that. Some of these questions are personal. They're not that personal. Like, I'm not gonna ask you for your Social Security number or something like that.

Speaker 1: 03:12

Before I ask you a question, siblings, do you have your own siblings? Mhmm.

Speaker 2: 03:17

I have one sister and one younger brother. Yeah. One younger sister, one younger brother.

Speaker 1: 03:21

And how close were you in age to your sister?

Speaker 2: 03:23

One year. She's my younger sister and then seven years younger than me, my brother.

Speaker 1: 03:28

So he's my sister fight?

Speaker 2: 03:30

Oh my gosh. A lot. We fought a lot. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 03:34

Over clothes, you know, some some little stupid things.

Speaker 1: 03:37

No. But that's that's what sisters do

Speaker 2: 03:39

and brothers.

Speaker 1: 03:40

And and the reason I ask that is I've been married thirty years. My my wife's an only child. Oh, okay. Was born and raised by this my my father-in-law was this incredible man. He's no longer here.

Speaker 1: 03:51

Italian Catholic, very, like, you know, head down when he eats and stuff like that. Yeah. And I'm I come from five. And so when we and I have three kids. Oh, yes.

Speaker 1: 04:02

Sometimes when my kids were younger Yeah. For my wife, it was like the dinner table was weird for her Mhmm. Because the kids would be kids. When the kids would fight, my wife would be like, oh my gosh. Like and for me, I could sit back with normalcy and say, like, yeah.

Speaker 1: 04:17

If they're not fighting, I'm worried about them. Right. And and to bring it full circle,

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if I

Speaker 1: 04:21

can just tell you, I'm gonna predict the future right now for you. I'm the youngest. Two of my three older brothers, they beat me up all the time. Mhmm. They would target me all the time.

Speaker 1: 04:33

They would do things to me all the time as a younger brother. Mhmm. But at the first sign of trouble, they were the first ones in front of the neighborhood bullies, or they were the first ones to protect me and defend me. Right. And so I can already tell you as they fight and as they scream and probably break a few things

Speaker 2: 04:50

Yes.

Speaker 1: 04:50

The good news is your older younger son no matter what happens, and that's the beauty of the fight and the Mhmm. And all that stuff. And by the time your three year old probably gets old enough to beat up his older brother, he'll be too old.

Speaker 2: 05:06

He won't want you anymore. Yes. Yes.

Speaker 1: 05:08

Because people say, Chris, you were the youngest. They beat you up. Did you ever wanna beat them up? Well, by the time I was big enough to do it Yeah. I was 15 or 16.

Speaker 2: 05:16

Right. I didn't wanna do

Speaker 1: 05:17

that anymore. So I'm just preparing you. Good things are set to come. A little bit more fights are coming and some stuff like What do do the boys like to do for fun? Do they play sports?

Speaker 1: 05:27

Do they play the violin?

Speaker 2: 05:29

So for now, my older son, Liam, he plays baseball. He used to play ice hockey, but he wants to focus on baseball.

Speaker 1: 05:36

Okay.

Speaker 2: 05:36

And he's also trying for the flag football. Okay. Yeah. So he just started playing flag

Speaker 1: 05:42

football. That. Yeah. Who who's his favorite baseball player? Does he have one?

Speaker 2: 05:45

Oh, hey. Sure. Of course. Did

Speaker 1: 05:49

was he old enough to watch him when he was with the angels before he got traded to the? Yeah.

Speaker 2: 05:54

I don't think yeah. No. He was too young at the time. Yeah. But he started playing baseball about two years ago.

Speaker 1: 05:59

Okay. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 06:00

And his number is 17 because of that. Yeah. You know? He's in the my the little league. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 06:05

So, yeah, he always picks 17 because of

Speaker 1: 06:08

And I know you're a Dodger fan. Mhmm. Was that before Ohtani came, or have you always been a Dodger fan?

Speaker 2: 06:15

I've always been a Dodgers fan. Yeah. Because, know, there were a couple of very couple of very famous Korean baseball players, including Chanwu Park Chanwu Park. So, yeah, I've been a and then I went to UCLA.

Speaker 1: 06:26

Okay.

Speaker 2: 06:26

So I've been a Dodgers fan for a long time.

Speaker 1: 06:31

One of the things I love about this podcast is really what it is. I learned something about people I've known for a long time, and I just that's one the things I love about it. Like, I my last interview was someone we know, Chris King. I've known him for seven years. I learned something about him in our short little conversation I didn't know.

Speaker 1: 06:49

So it's one of the things I love about it. But there's something that I've never asked you about. Born and raised here or in Korea?

Speaker 2: 06:57

I was born and raised in Korea Okay. Until high school.

Speaker 1: 07:00

Until high school.

Speaker 2: 07:00

Yeah. So I was an immigrant myself.

Speaker 1: 07:02

Yeah. Yeah. And we're gonna talk about that. Okay. What whole family came here.

Speaker 2: 07:08

Mhmm.

Speaker 1: 07:09

And how old were you?

Speaker 2: 07:10

I was 14.

Speaker 1: 07:11

Okay. So let's talk for a couple of minute. I like the personal more than the business. Yeah. How was that?

Speaker 1: 07:16

Because I'm native. I was born here. Mhmm. How was that coming literally? Like, I'm I'm sure you read and heard and saw.

Speaker 1: 07:25

But how how was that transition for a 14 year old girl, especially?

Speaker 2: 07:28

Yeah. Right? Going through

Speaker 1: 07:29

a lot at that time.

Speaker 2: 07:30

Exactly. So I came here when I was 14. Yeah. My dad was an executive of the global company in South Korea. It was called SK Communications.

Speaker 2: 07:39

Telecommunications is kinda like one of those big companies like Samsung, Hyundai, Kia.

Speaker 1: 07:43

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 07:44

And he was an executive, and he was sort of transferred over to The US branch office

Speaker 1: 07:49

Okay.

Speaker 2: 07:50

As an expat. Right? So we, as a derivative family members, were able to immigrate to The US together with him. At first, it was a visa, you know, work visa, and then we transitioned into the green card. Right?

Speaker 2: 08:01

So that's how we immigrated. Yeah. So I was only 14. You know, I can still vividly remember the first day of school. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 08:08

You know, everybody was watching looking at me as if I'm some kind of stranger. Yeah. Right? And I couldn't really speak English well. My English was broken.

Speaker 1: 08:17

Learned a little bit, but more broken. Very broken.

Speaker 2: 08:20

So I had to start learning how to speak English. I was in ESL class. Right? And, you know, cultural shock Yeah. This barrier and, you know, and when you're 14, you're going to that teenage stage.

Speaker 2: 08:34

Right? Teenage mode.

Speaker 1: 08:35

Was gonna say you have enough going on

Speaker 2: 08:36

with that. Emotional roller coaster. Right? So it was a lot for me to take on, know, learning a language, you know, struggling with cultural difference Changes. Changes, environment.

Speaker 2: 08:46

Food. Food. Yes. Of course.

Speaker 1: 08:49

For someone who's never immigrated.

Speaker 2: 08:50

It's so funny how you you you, you know, caught that. The first thing that I tried from Costco was the pizza, Costco pizza. Oh, okay. I had to throw it away because it was so salty. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 09:01

So much Oh my gosh. It tastes like salt. Yeah. Right? But now I love Costco Pizza.

Speaker 2: 09:06

I cannot live without it. I love I

Speaker 1: 09:08

love that. So let's let's

Speaker 2: 09:09

stay on

Speaker 1: 09:09

the food topic for just a minute.

Speaker 2: 09:10

Mhmm.

Speaker 1: 09:13

I haven't been to Korea. I'm going to go to Korea. My wife and I both wanna go. What's the biggest difference? You know, I wanna presume there's they make Korean food in America, but it's probably Americanized Korean food.

Speaker 1: 09:27

Is there places where you can go that's the Korean food that maybe, like, your mom used to make or a grandparent or something like that? Can you find those spots that's really more authentic?

Speaker 2: 09:37

There's so many. There are too many, so I have to give you the list of all the places that you can visit. Some fusion, but very authentic, very Korean traditional food. So and depending depending on what you want to try Yeah. Like, whether it's seafood or, you know, some authentic Korean food.

Speaker 2: 09:55

Like, there's so many different types of

Speaker 1: 09:57

Yeah. I love that. What about the boys? Are they finicky eaters? Like, do they want the chicken nuggets and the Costco pizza, or will they have some of the authentic Korean food?

Speaker 2: 10:05

They're very picky eaters, unfortunately. So my sons, they wouldn't touch, like, kimchi or some very, you know, strong flavored Korean food, unfortunately. But I'm trying to take them to Korea. Yeah. So I only took my older son when he was only two.

Speaker 2: 10:20

So he doesn't really remember anything. Yeah. And my second son never has never been to Korea. So I cannot wait until I take them and, you know, make them try all these different types of food. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 10:32

I can't wait to spend more time with you when my wife and I know we're going to Planet Mhmm. Because I'm gonna buy you dinner or something. I'm gonna make you sit with me for two hours to tell us all the dos and don'ts about it.

Speaker 2: 10:44

You don't have to buy me anything, but I cannot wait to share with you all the list. I I actually went to Korea last April for a conference. Okay. So I know all the hot places, you know, the trendy ones, so I'll share with you.

Speaker 1: 10:58

One of my closest friends for thirty five years is Korean, and same thing I've told. His name is Young Choi. And same thing I said, man, I can't wait to pick your brain Yeah. Just to make sure whatever time I have there. Mhmm.

Speaker 1: 11:09

Okay. So let's let's let's talk about you. Okay. Because I know I know how good you are in your job without you saying how good of an immigration attorney you are because in the group we met, the networking group we've become friends in Mhmm. You know, when people stand up and say great things about you, you don't ever need to say anything great about yourself.

Speaker 1: 11:29

So I know you're not gonna say anything great about yourself. I'm I'm gonna do that for you. The amount of people who talk about your knowledge and expertise and success and probably more importantly, your passion

Speaker 2: 11:42

Mhmm.

Speaker 1: 11:42

About being an immigration attorney, other people say how great you are. And I love that when people talk about you, they use the word, you're an expert. You're really talented. But the word I love that they say most is about how passionate you are. Right?

Speaker 1: 11:57

So very few of us really get to be, I'm in the mortgage business. How passionate can you be about real estate finance? I like it. Mhmm. I'm passionate about it.

Speaker 1: 12:05

Mhmm. Love how passionate you are about being an immigration attorney. Mhmm. Tough question. Do you think part of that just resonated because you're an immigrant?

Speaker 1: 12:16

I don't wanna trivialize it, but do you think part of that is really the genesis of one of the reasons I am so passionate is because my family immigrated here. Is that fair to say?

Speaker 2: 12:25

100%. 100%. I can totally relate what my clients are going through because even though I was a minor child and I didn't really personally go through that immigration process myself, it was actually my dad. Right? But I actually witnessed it

Speaker 1: 12:39

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 12:40

And observed. And, actually, we went to the interview altogether as a family, and I experienced it, how intense it was. Right? We had to get in a long line in front of the Immigration Building. It was 06:00 in the morning.

Speaker 2: 12:53

I can still remember coming out of the interview, and we're just having donuts after that. Yeah. And my my dad was so relieved that we passed the interview. So I've experienced all that.

Speaker 1: 13:03

Do do you find out right away? Like, once you're done with the interview?

Speaker 2: 13:06

Sometimes you do. Sometimes you don't, depending on the officer.

Speaker 1: 13:08

Okay. Got it.

Speaker 2: 13:09

So I I really clearly remember how important it was to have the legal status in The US in order to continue with your life.

Speaker 1: 13:17

Sure.

Speaker 2: 13:18

And my dad, that moment when he was very relieved. Right? So when it comes to immigration, I take it very personally. Right?

Speaker 1: 13:25

Sounds like it. Mhmm.

Speaker 2: 13:27

It's not it's not one of those paperwork or applications that I prepare and, you know, try to file. It is more of I can feel how personal it is for for my client and his or her family members too. Yeah. Right? Because I actually you know, whichever case that I handle, I help somebody, you know, I open the door of opportunities to someone.

Speaker 1: 13:50

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 13:50

And that someone or the family can achieve their American dream. Right? Without that door of opportunity, there's not there's no American dream. Right? So it is very rewarding experience.

Speaker 1: 14:03

Oh my gosh. I love like, your eyes light up when you talk about the American dream. Mhmm. I'm Native American. I don't always say politically correct things.

Speaker 1: 14:19

I'm enamored by people from foreign countries Mhmm. Whether it's your country, Europeans, Middle East. I have so many friends from different ethnicities.

Speaker 2: 14:30

Mhmm.

Speaker 1: 14:30

And one of the things I admire about people that are not native Americans, I feel like people from other countries have a little more passion for family, passion for helping people. I'm not saying it's a perfect science, and and there's a ton of native people from here that are wonderfully kind, loving, passionate

Speaker 2: 14:54

Right. Of course. Of course.

Speaker 1: 14:55

But I have found a little bit more of a passion level from people that are not born and raised here. One of the things I I try not to get too cynical at 58 years old.

Speaker 2: 15:04

Mhmm.

Speaker 1: 15:05

But what I find myself doing sometimes is comparing people like me to people from other countries and say we should be more like someone who immigrated from Korea Mhmm. Who who who talks about the American dream. Because as Americans, I should be talking as passionately about the American dream as you should. Mhmm. Because I have it.

Speaker 1: 15:25

I've lived it. I was born with it. And somehow I find that we, not you, Native Americans, we're not appreciating this as much as we should, but it's taking people like you to say, gosh. I wanna help someone achieve the American dream. And I find your passion, and you light up when you talk about that.

Speaker 1: 15:45

Yeah. And one of the reasons I think you're so successful, which I know you're not gonna say, there's so much you hear about immigration attorneys who just file the paperwork, like what you just kinda referenced, But that's not you. Like, you don't wanna just file the paperwork for someone. Right? Mhmm.

Speaker 2: 16:01

It

Speaker 1: 16:01

sounds like you if you're gonna take it on, like, you're really invested in

Speaker 2: 16:06

it. Mhmm. Is that

Speaker 1: 16:06

is that a fair statement?

Speaker 2: 16:08

Yes. I when I take first of all, I don't take cases from anyone. Right? I have to feel that confidence. You know, at least I I have this confidence that the case is approval, of course.

Speaker 2: 16:21

Right? More than 50% of approval approval chance. Yeah. But also, have to be able to build that confidence and and be able to, you know, support my clients throughout the whole process.

Speaker 1: 16:34

Right? A lengthy process.

Speaker 2: 16:35

Right? It is a lengthy process. In order to do that, I have to be confident in the case. Right? Yeah.

Speaker 2: 16:40

Of course. So once I take the case from my client, I don't let it fail. Yeah. It's like Yeah. A It's mine.

Speaker 2: 16:46

Yeah. So even if it's even if it's whether it's collecting information from my clients or drafting letters on behalf of my client

Speaker 1: 16:55

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 16:55

I just put my heart and soul into it. Right? Every single letter that that I draft for my client, I don't take it just lightly. You know what I mean? Even if it's just description of the company or even if it's just, you know, job description or, you know, someone's qualifications.

Speaker 2: 17:10

Right? I take it very, very seriously and personally.

Speaker 1: 17:13

Yeah. I love that. Now as you again, I'm a mortgage broker. I only know about immigration, what I see that I can fact check, and I and I have my own beliefs. And I'm and I'm gonna share my beliefs with you because then I wanna ask you some questions about it.

Speaker 1: 17:32

I am 100 for legal immigration. I say bring everybody that we can, and I mean that because I believe that our country at its core has the ability to embrace it, to welcome it, to allow it to become integrated into the functioning system of the economy and jobs and health care and and all those things. I'm a massive fan of it. Okay. I don't necessarily agree with some of the recent past political decisions that have been made that, you know, come in, we'll figure it out later, some of the costs and things like that.

Speaker 1: 18:07

And it's just a personal opinion.

Speaker 2: 18:09

Right.

Speaker 1: 18:09

I say it all the time. I'm a massive immigration fan. I want as many people to come to this country as they can. I would like it to be done differently. Now listen.

Speaker 1: 18:18

Some people might like me to do my job differently.

Speaker 2: 18:20

So Mhmm.

Speaker 1: 18:21

You know?

Speaker 2: 18:21

Yeah. Of course.

Speaker 1: 18:22

I just think it's been done poorly. And and whether the new administration changes are effective or not, we don't know. Right? We'll just have to wait and see. But Mhmm.

Speaker 1: 18:30

To bring that full circle

Speaker 2: 18:31

Mhmm.

Speaker 1: 18:32

There's two types of immigration to a certain degree. I know that someone may wanna immigrate from a country and come to The US and bring their family. Mhmm. And I know there's businesses Right. Similar to your dad's situation.

Speaker 1: 18:46

Yes. I wanna talk about that for a couple minutes. You're very well versed in that. Mhmm. Part of that come from that's how you guys

Speaker 2: 18:54

came. Exactly.

Speaker 1: 18:55

And so you believe in, boy, if I can help a corporation bring an executive over, I also get to bring six people over, right, to a certain degree. Is that is that kind of one of the reasons you're passionate about the corporate side of it? We're helping people migrate to The US within their business and their company and all that stuff?

Speaker 2: 19:13

Yeah. So I primarily focus on business and investment immigration

Speaker 1: 19:17

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 19:18

As well as family immigration, but my passion is in business and investment immigration. Yeah. What does that mean? Right? So I help The US companies when they can't find the four the actual US talent, talented employees from the pool of applicants in The US, right, for their very critical project.

Speaker 2: 19:38

Right? Yeah. Then what do what do they do? Right? They have to hire foreign talents.

Speaker 2: 19:42

Right? Yeah. So I get to help them hire foreign talents when they can't find the qualified US workers.

Speaker 1: 19:48

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 19:49

So there is a lot of process that you have to go through depending on the type of visas and green card options. Sure. But it's a very stringent process that all these US companies have to go through to prove and justify the need for the foreign national employees to bring them. Right? So I get to help them, right, go through the process and hire foreign talents who can work on these very critical projects Yeah.

Speaker 2: 20:15

That can generate a lot of US jobs, right, because there's all these other impacts, right

Speaker 1: 20:21

Of course.

Speaker 2: 20:21

Because of that one big project. Yeah. Right? If the foreign national talented national can execute the project, right, and that in and of itself that project in and of itself can create other US jobs

Speaker 1: 20:34

Right.

Speaker 2: 20:34

We're doing such a great work. Right?

Speaker 1: 20:37

And I love that, you know, the short question I sent to you. I love no. No. I mean it. Like, I really wanna I affirm to you.

Speaker 1: 20:44

I really love one of the things you said because I don't think it's lip service from you. And and and one of the things you said is Mhmm. That you love bringing people here to bring them here, but you also love that it helps create more US jobs.

Speaker 2: 20:58

That's my that's my sole focus Yeah. When it comes to business immigration. Yeah. That's the best part that I love about.

Speaker 1: 21:07

Do you think that do you think that enough people not Evelyn Moon, but do you think people would look deep enough at an immigration attorney? And instead of just thinking immigration, do you think people are giving you and and anyone like you a fair shake to say, wait a second. They are passionate to bring people here, but they're doing it because they like the bigger picture of more US jobs. Mhmm. I don't think people are gonna give someone like you enough credit for that.

Speaker 1: 21:37

I think there's gonna be some people in the political party that might be like, oh, she wants more immigration. Yeah. Do you really come from dual role of, yeah, you'd love to help people come to this great country, but you also believe that it could then create more jobs for the people that are here?

Speaker 2: 21:52

Mhmm. Because a lot of people forget about what kind of other impact that one very critical project Yeah. That US companies are executing can bring. Yeah. Right?

Speaker 2: 22:03

And if that one person happens to be that foreign national talent very talented foreign national who has very specialized skills and knowledge Yeah. And who can do this job. Yeah. Why not?

Speaker 1: 22:15

Why

Speaker 2: 22:15

not? Why not? And if that because of that project success after the successful completion of the project Yeah. If we can hire so many other US workers Yeah. Why not?

Speaker 1: 22:26

Why not?

Speaker 2: 22:27

Right?

Speaker 1: 22:27

I love that.

Speaker 2: 22:28

And there's a specific green card option that even specifically focus on generation generating jobs through the foreign investment called EB five. Okay. So there is an option where foreign investors, right, can make an investment into The US project, like hotel, mixed use condo

Speaker 1: 22:48

Okay.

Speaker 2: 22:48

Hospital projects. Right? But one requirement one critical requirement is that that project has to create 10 US full time jobs per foreign investors foreign investor. So there is an option where that is actually a mandatory. The whole point of EB five is to create US jobs and boost The US economy.

Speaker 1: 23:08

I didn't know that.

Speaker 2: 23:09

I I

Speaker 1: 23:10

I think, like like, gosh. I mean, I'm I'm not gonna get political. Too many people don't fact check. Mhmm. Too many people hear a name, and they just label it.

Speaker 1: 23:22

Right? EB five. Mhmm. Let me give you just ask you an example. Someone from China has $10,000,000, and they wanna buy a hotel Mhmm.

Speaker 1: 23:33

In Kentucky. Mhmm. They can bring in their 10,000,000, one potential green card Mhmm. Right, and then up to 10 US jobs for every foreign investor that's gonna come. Mhmm.

Speaker 1: 23:49

Do I summarize that?

Speaker 2: 23:50

So so there are two types of EB five. One is direct investment, direct EB five. The other one is regional center based EB Okay. Right? So direct EB5 is where just one single EB5 investor makes a direct investment into his own creative project Sure.

Speaker 2: 24:07

Or a project that that person can develop with other partners, but there's only one single EB five investor a lot in that direct EB five investment. Okay?

Speaker 1: 24:16

Got it.

Speaker 2: 24:16

So it is more smaller scaled project.

Speaker 1: 24:19

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 24:19

Right? Versus this regional say regional center based EB five is where large scale project like hotel, mixed use condo, that developer pulls the investment from many different EB-five investors that is sponsored by this program called Regional Center. Right? As long as your project is sponsored by the Regional Center, then you can pull the investment from multiple different EV five investors.

Speaker 1: 24:45

Okay.

Speaker 2: 24:46

So the minimum required investment is $800,000 depending on the location. Sure. If the location is in the rural area or high unemployment rated area, then it

Speaker 1: 24:55

is more flexible on it.

Speaker 2: 24:56

Right? Then it's $800,000.

Speaker 1: 24:58

Create some more jobs in the underserved area or something like that.

Speaker 2: 25:01

Yes. Exactly. Yeah. If not, then it's $1,050,000

Speaker 1: 25:06

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 25:07

Per investor. Right? So it really depends on which type of cases, type of EB five, but vast majority of EB five investors utilize regional center based EB five because, you know, you can be a passive investor. You don't have to worry about developing your own business, right, own project. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 25:23

Yeah. So Oh my gosh. I didn't know that.

Speaker 2: 25:26

Mhmm.

Speaker 1: 25:26

I I think that that needs to be made aware more because if you look at the result of all of that Right. More US jobs. Right? Right. If you just look at if you get rid of the immigration ward, if you get rid of the investor ward, if you get rid of whatever country they come from, if the only net result is more US jobs

Speaker 2: 25:50

like And that is even mandatory as part of the requirement.

Speaker 1: 25:53

But even if they didn't wanna do it, have to do it.

Speaker 2: 25:55

Yeah. Then they can't get a green card if there's no 10 jobs per per investor. You know?

Speaker 1: 25:59

Okay. So let let's stay on that for just a minute. I'm I'm super you can tell I'm, like, super intrigued by this. This is not an exact answer to hold you to it. One of The US based companies wants to hire someone from another country.

Speaker 1: 26:14

They're gonna start a new project. Mhmm. Can you give me an approximate? How long does it take? Is it a week?

Speaker 1: 26:21

Is it seven years? I know there's gonna be variables to it. Mhmm.

Speaker 2: 26:24

Is there

Speaker 1: 26:24

kind of like a, hey. On average, if everything goes smoothly, it's eighteen months or something like that. Are you are you, a, are you allowed to answer that?

Speaker 2: 26:31

Yes.

Speaker 1: 26:31

And okay. Give me just kind of a a an idea what that looks like.

Speaker 2: 26:35

Yeah. So it really depends on what type of visa, whether it is for the temporary work visa versus green card. Right? When it comes to temporary visa, work visa, then there are several different types of visas too. Right?

Speaker 2: 26:47

So it really depends on what type of work visa we're talking about. Right? So for example, if we're Different talking about

Speaker 1: 26:52

durations on

Speaker 2: 26:52

the Different duration, different timing, different processing times. So it really depends. But the most popular work visa

Speaker 1: 27:00

to that one. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 27:01

Mhmm. It's called h one b visa that is for specialty occupation. Right? So if The US companies has a position, right, that that requires bachelor's degree at minimum or higher.

Speaker 1: 27:12

Sure.

Speaker 2: 27:12

And if the foreign national has bachelor's degree in their related field, then boom. You pretty much meet all the requirements. Right? So you can start the sponsorship process. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 27:22

But because it is relatively easy to meet that requirement. Right? Like, we require a bachelor's degree, and he he or she has a bachelor's degree in the related field, so everybody's happy.

Speaker 1: 27:33

Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 27:34

Because of that, there's a limited quota, limited numbers of HMB visas that

Speaker 1: 27:39

Because it's so common. Mhmm. Right? Because it's not it's not a hard metrics to meet if Yeah. That's kind of the the bar.

Speaker 2: 27:45

Yeah. So it's 65,000 for the for those with bachelor's degree and 20,000 for those with master's degree earned from The US institutions. For the 65, the regular one, the degree can be earned from different countries too. But for that 20,000 master's degree, it's called master's cap, it has to be earned from The US institutions. Right?

Speaker 2: 28:05

So total of 85,000 only per per every fiscal year. Yeah. So a lot of companies try to submit I'm sure. Fight for that. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 28:13

So there's a random lottery selection process in in in the month of March. And then after

Speaker 1: 28:20

is crazy for you.

Speaker 2: 28:21

For me. So my birthday is March. So I go crazy. I

Speaker 1: 28:26

birthday month.

Speaker 2: 28:27

Yeah. It's not a great great birthday month for me. But so after that random selection process, it's electronic lottery system. Then they make an announcement who's selected in the lottery. So we get a result.

Speaker 2: 28:39

Then we are able to file that HONB petitions between April to June. So we get that ninety day window. So between March to June, it's pretty busy season for us immigration lawyers in the business immigration industry.

Speaker 1: 28:56

Sure. Oh my gosh. I'm so I'm fascinated. I'm grateful. You know, I love so many things about our country, and there's some things I don't like, but my wife probably doesn't like everything I do either.

Speaker 1: 29:08

It's just part of being in a relationship even if it's your country. I'm grateful that those opportunities are there. Most importantly, because I I hate to keep saying it, I love that the net result of that is more jobs. And I I wish sometimes people would be able to hear that message differently because I think fewer people would get frustrated by that word. There's a lot of people in this country.

Speaker 1: 29:32

You just hear the word immigration. I think it's bad, and they forget that we are all immigrants. Mhmm. I love that at least there are some things that our country is doing that is helping promote that. Yes.

Speaker 1: 29:43

There's only 85,000, but at least there's 85,000.

Speaker 2: 29:46

Mhmm. Exactly. I

Speaker 1: 29:47

love that there's an opportunity for a business to say, we can't find this person. Let's go get them from Indonesia, and let's bring them here, and that maybe we get to bring a family of six here. Mhmm. Legally, properly, they get to pay taxes. Right.

Speaker 1: 30:02

But they also get to go to school. They get health care. I I mean, I you know, they they get freedom, all those things.

Speaker 2: 30:07

Right.

Speaker 1: 30:07

I wish I wish immigration could be overhauled to benefit Mhmm. Everyone better, and I'm sure that's never gonna be a perfect science.

Speaker 2: 30:16

Yeah. Because, you know, news media, they always want to focus on those bad players, right, or illegal immigrants with criminal records. Right? But there's so many other amazing immigrants who are making substantial contributions to this country. Right?

Speaker 2: 30:30

So h one b was just one visa category that I mentioned, but there are so many other options, right, such as e b one a or NIW that is for those with extraordinary ability or who has this talent that is in that that that is that can be considered as national interest. Right? Yeah. In national interest, such as, you know, Olympic gold medalist or scientists, right, or researchers or scientists.

Speaker 1: 30:55

Above and beyond.

Speaker 2: 30:56

Above and beyond.

Speaker 1: 30:57

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 30:57

Yeah. So we often forget about how how much value all these immigrants can bring to the country. Right? All these technologies. Right?

Speaker 2: 31:07

The skills, knowledge

Speaker 1: 31:08

get better Yeah. And create more jobs.

Speaker 2: 31:10

Exactly.

Speaker 1: 31:12

I've always been, like not an exact answer. If someone let's say they get a work visa or some any category of visa, and let's say they're here for eighteen months. I'm just giving you a hypothetical. Is there anything in the law that like, does it make it easier for them to potentially apply for citizenship versus someone who just wants to bring their family here? Like, if you have that visa and you've shown and the work and they still sponsor you, is it it it's kinda like like if someone doesn't get into UCI right away.

Speaker 1: 31:47

Mhmm. If they go to Saddleback Junior College here, they have a feeder program that gets into UCI versus someone trying to apply at UCI.

Speaker 2: 31:53

Mhmm.

Speaker 1: 31:53

If you correlate that into immigration, if someone already has that work visa, potentially, does that help them get to citizenship faster if that's something they even desire?

Speaker 2: 32:03

I mean, it really depends on what type of category too. So for example, my dad came here through executive visa called l one a. Right? And there's a green card option that is called EB one c that is for executive employees as well. Right.

Speaker 2: 32:21

Intra company transfer executive as well. Right? So l one a and e b one c green card, even though l one a is just for temporary work visa and e b one a is for green card, the requirements for both are very similar.

Speaker 1: 32:34

Okay.

Speaker 2: 32:34

Right? So if you get an l one a visa first, then it is much easier to obtain that e b one c green card because of the very similar requirements. Right?

Speaker 1: 32:43

Met, let's say, most of, you know

Speaker 2: 32:45

Right.

Speaker 1: 32:46

Of the requirements they need to get the green card anyway. Right?

Speaker 2: 32:49

Right.

Speaker 1: 32:49

Okay.

Speaker 2: 32:50

So it really depends on what categories we're talking about. Yeah. Or sometimes you just don't need that type of visas or other temporary work visas if you're married to a US citizen. Right, then it's a really fast track A little easier. Right?

Speaker 2: 33:05

Very easy. Yeah. A little bit easier and fast track to obtain a green card. Right? So it really depends on what type of, you know, visa categories or green card categories we're talking about.

Speaker 2: 33:16

There's Family, there are business category. And then within the category, there are so many different types.

Speaker 1: 33:22

Oh my gosh. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 33:23

So yes and no sometimes. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 33:25

It's probably constantly changing. Yes. I mean, I would imagine every time an administration comes, it changes, good or bad. I'd imagine anytime something happens, whether maybe it's within the confines of that administration's administration, that maybe there's something else that changes. Right?

Speaker 1: 33:42

I mean, I'm sure law most of our friends who are mutual friends would know this. I always wanted to be an attorney. Mhmm. But I didn't like school.

Speaker 2: 33:49

So after

Speaker 1: 33:50

I got my bachelor's degree, I said I'm not going to law school for sure. Okay. And I'm sure every category of law is constantly changing. This has been a hot topic with really the last four administrations, maybe even five. I would imagine you are seeing trying to stay up to date on all of the changes and modifications and enhancements is probably almost like full time job

Speaker 2: 34:14

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 34:14

Just to make sure.

Speaker 2: 34:15

Yeah. It's so funny how you mentioned that. I was calculating how many years of experience that I had.

Speaker 1: 34:23

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 34:23

So I started working as a paralegal, you know, fresh out of college. Yeah. So it's been eighteen years Wow. Since I started working in the immigration industry.

Speaker 1: 34:31

Oh, real quick. Always immigration?

Speaker 2: 34:33

Always immigration. That

Speaker 1: 34:35

was what you Yes. Did, and that's

Speaker 2: 34:36

what you

Speaker 1: 34:37

started in?

Speaker 2: 34:37

I mean, I try to, you know, do internship and try to work for, you know, general practice firm here and there, like, during and after law school, but my entire career has been in immigration. Yeah. So eighteen years as as a, you know, professional and then thirteen years as an attorney. Yeah. So combining total eighteen years, so I was very surprised.

Speaker 2: 34:57

Meaning, I went through many different administrations Yeah. Right, including Obama, you know, Biden Yeah. Two Trumps. So

Speaker 1: 35:05

Right. And everyone was some similarities, a lot of differences. Right? Yes. And and and, obviously, you know, with what Obama and Biden did, it was a little more aligned.

Speaker 1: 35:15

Right? Because they were just more aligned. Yes. Obviously, the first Trump administration want he, you know, he wants to make an impact. I tell people all the time, whether you voted for him or not, he wants to come in and make big impacts, and that's his personality.

Speaker 1: 35:29

Whether people agree with it or not, that's the truth. Yeah. And so he'll typically his pendulum shift is greater than most. Right? And he's super passionate about immigration.

Speaker 2: 35:38

Yes.

Speaker 1: 35:38

So, anyway, I could imagine when you're going from one administration to another Yeah. Where one wants to be so empowered and powerful on it, and then you go from and then you get to Biden where he wanted to make a statement to pull that back a little bit. Right?

Speaker 2: 35:54

Make it

Speaker 1: 35:54

over easy. And then Trump comes in, and now he wants to make a a big impact. So your pendulum swings have not just been normal market shifts. They've been significant.

Speaker 2: 36:02

Yes. A lot of people ask me how you do it. How you how do you maintain your sanity? That's what a lot of people ask me. And then it's so funny.

Speaker 2: 36:11

Yesterday, I actually met another fellow immigration attorney friend at one of those networking meetings. Yeah. And I asked him, oh, did you see that policy update, you know, release of the new policy about the NTA that can still be issued to a marriage based green card beneficiary. And he goes, which update are you talking about? Right?

Speaker 2: 36:30

Like, which one? Good. Because there are too many updates. So many of them, so we can hardly keep up, you know, keep up with all these updates.

Speaker 1: 36:38

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 36:38

But funny enough, like, there's so many constant changes. Yeah. So one of the big changes that was released last Friday was that they can still issue something called NTA, notice to appear, meaning it's the start of the removal process. Right? Right?

Speaker 2: 36:54

Like deportation process. Yeah. So NTA can still be issued for someone who's married to a US citizen who legally entered The US, not illegally, legally entered The US but happen to overstay, even just a few few months.

Speaker 1: 37:09

Because they get a finite amount of time, right, to visit. Mhmm. And then if they don't have whatever permission to extend that visit

Speaker 2: 37:19

And they overstay.

Speaker 1: 37:20

That they overstay.

Speaker 2: 37:21

Or maybe some sometimes mistake happen. Right? So they get to overstay. Right?

Speaker 1: 37:25

Something.

Speaker 2: 37:26

Yeah. So things happen. Right? Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 37:28

Without their intention. Right? And sometimes a lot of people tend happen to overstay Yeah. Without planning to overstay. Right?

Speaker 2: 37:37

So even though that happens, you you may still get the NTA.

Speaker 1: 37:43

To appear.

Speaker 2: 37:44

It used to be sort of like a free pass.

Speaker 1: 37:47

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 37:47

If you're if you're married to a US citizen Yeah. Then even if you overstayed Yeah. You usually don't get don't, you know, go through that NTA pros like, removal process. Yeah. But the policy came out last Friday Yeah.

Speaker 2: 37:59

That they can still be issued on NTA and might be able might have to present their case in front of the immigration judge in court, which is a very crazy big news in our industry.

Speaker 1: 38:12

Well, I'm gonna say some things that you're not allowed to

Speaker 2: 38:15

say. Okay.

Speaker 1: 38:16

And I'll go back and reference for a second. I am a massive fan of legal immigration.

Speaker 2: 38:21

Mhmm.

Speaker 1: 38:22

I'm not a fan of illegal immigration. Mhmm. I'm also not a fan. I'm obviously not the president, and it's easy to look back and say, they should have done it this way. They should have done they should one of the things I struggle with, Trump, you're not allowed to say anything right now, is I actually support and and I'll I have some people that we have healthy disagreements on.

Speaker 1: 38:49

I actually support his theory of legal immigration. Mhmm. The problem is, which is typical for him, is his execution. Mhmm. When he first started talking about the criminals, incarcerated, some of those things and, again, varying opinions.

Speaker 1: 39:07

I'm all for it. Mhmm. Deport them. I don't wanna pay for them. They're criminals, whatever.

Speaker 1: 39:14

I also understand the defense of if they're here illegally, they're criminal. And by the way, by the lord of the law, they are. That's true. I just feel like the person that's married so you have a married citizen and someone who came in legally who is in the process of trying to become legal.

Speaker 2: 39:36

Mhmm.

Speaker 1: 39:36

I'm gonna imagine he just wanted to make one fell swoop and just generalize it. But, unfortunately, prior to his administration, there was a lot of people who are trying to do it the right way. And I know it's impossible to find every single person. Right. I just wish execution of what he did.

Speaker 1: 39:56

Mhmm. I'm all for getting rid of the criminals that are in jail. Get rid of them. Mhmm. I'm a fan of strengthening the borders.

Speaker 1: 40:02

That that's just an opinion. Mhmm. I almost and I know he doesn't care about Democrats. Mhmm. I almost wish he would have got rid of the criminals, strengthened the borders, and then paused for a little bit because he could have gotten a huge win from Republicans and Democrats, and I'm no politician.

Speaker 1: 40:20

Mhmm. He could have gone because the people on his side of the aisle were like, god, he was really aggressive. The people on the other side of the were like, he's a terrible human being. Yeah. I think so many people would have supported him, and you're not allowed to offer an opinion on this because you're an attorney.

Speaker 1: 40:33

I just wish he would have done a little bit of it differently because I felt like he really could have aligned with, I want people to be here who wanna do it legally, and I don't want people to be here who wanna do it illegally. Mhmm. And so that was just more of my commentary to you of there's so much misinformation out there. Mhmm. But I felt like he had an opportunity to bring both parties together, which he doesn't like to do all the time

Speaker 2: 40:56

Mhmm.

Speaker 1: 40:56

And say, we're gonna strengthen our borders to prevent more from coming in. We're gonna try and figure out this mess that we have. Mhmm. And I wanna get rid of the bad guys. Mhmm.

Speaker 1: 41:05

And I felt like he coulda had such a win with it would have been hard for the Democrats to argue his logic around that. Mhmm. So with that dissertation, I don't want you to say anything because you're probably not allowed to. Here's here's one thing I do wanna talk about that relates to that a little bit. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 41:21

If somebody's in the and if you can't answer it, tell me. If someone's in the process of going through it

Speaker 2: 41:27

Mhmm.

Speaker 1: 41:28

And next week, like they're doing it the right way, and next week, there's an update, let's say

Speaker 2: 41:33

Mhmm.

Speaker 1: 41:35

Do they get to grandfather in from the previous one, or does now the new update become precedent?

Speaker 2: 41:41

It all depends on their decision. Yeah. They sometimes grandfather it. They sometimes say effective as off.

Speaker 1: 41:48

So real quick, just to interrupt. I like to interrupt because it's my podcast. Does that mean does typically that change show that? Does it say like, hey. But they're grandfathered or effective immediately so that if you're even in the process, too late.

Speaker 2: 42:02

Usually, they they would clearly indicate it.

Speaker 1: 42:05

Okay.

Speaker 2: 42:05

And just going back to your previous comments or

Speaker 1: 42:08

I just wanna get you off the hook if you want to.

Speaker 2: 42:10

Yeah. I totally agree with you. And even even though I'm an immigrant myself, I am against illegal immigrants

Speaker 1: 42:18

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 42:19

You know, who cross the border and try to enter our country illegally. I'm I'm not for it. Right?

Speaker 1: 42:25

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 42:26

But there are so many situations where people are without their bad intention

Speaker 1: 42:32

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 42:33

Or, you know, plan. Right? Sometimes you're brought to this country, for example, minor minor children.

Speaker 1: 42:42

Yes.

Speaker 2: 42:43

When their parents decide to cross the border for, of course, better life for everyone. Sure. Of course. They are two years old. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 42:51

Three years old. Right? And they come to this country, and suddenly, they realize that they're here illegally. Right?

Speaker 1: 42:58

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 42:58

So that is just one example. Right? Yeah. And asylum seekers and refugees and all that. Right?

Speaker 2: 43:05

So there are so many different exceptions. Right? Yeah. Where we're also talking about the victims, vulnerable human beings. Right?

Speaker 1: 43:12

There's a lot of them.

Speaker 2: 43:13

A lot of them.

Speaker 1: 43:14

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 43:14

So instead of generalizing illegal immigrants as bad actors and Right. You know, criminals and we have to get rid of them, I wish there were more opportunities to sort of categorize things so that there's enough and more fair and reasonable exceptions. Right? But I also think that there wasn't enough time, right, for him, for Trump to execute everything exceptions and put it in writing in the regulations and, you know, get bipartisan support and Right. Put it pass that into law.

Speaker 2: 43:48

So I understand

Speaker 1: 43:50

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 43:50

Why this current administration was trying trying so hard to literally moving and shaking things. Right? Yeah. Because sometimes you just have to take action, right, to make some big grandiose changes. Of course.

Speaker 2: 44:03

Right? But I wish there were some a group of very group of expert with deep immigration knowledge, right, on his side

Speaker 1: 44:12

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 44:12

Who can sort of give him very detailed analysis of what what can potentially happen when we make this cup this type of changes and what kind of exceptions we want to implement, right, so that we can protect more vulnerable Yeah. Illegal immigrants.

Speaker 1: 44:28

Choose to to

Speaker 2: 44:29

be People who didn't choose to be in that position, in that shoes. Right? Yeah. So I think it takes time. There's no right or wrong answer to this, and I don't wanna get into this political It's But you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1: 44:41

Perfectly. Yeah. I

Speaker 2: 44:42

So I think we we need to give give this administration some time Yeah. To flatten that out and, I mean, iron that out situation. Yeah. But yeah. It it because of that during that process, because, you know, they had limited time Yeah.

Speaker 2: 45:01

And they really wanted to execute

Speaker 1: 45:03

They did.

Speaker 2: 45:04

A lot of victims Yeah. Were created, unfortunately.

Speaker 1: 45:07

Well, I think I'll wrap this up on the immigration stuff. Yeah. I'm fascinated by because you you have an approach to it. Like, I I love that you're very balanced on it. Like, believe in a certain thing, and you would have liked to see it done a different way, and you're not denouncing or criticizing.

Speaker 1: 45:25

You're saying, hey. I like this. I I didn't really like that. And and you're doing it tactfully in a way that's like, this is really, like like, you know, what I believe in. I feel like I feel like sometimes people think they need to get a big win right out of the gate.

Speaker 1: 45:42

And, again, I appreciate the political pressure he was under because of what he said he was gonna do Before.

Speaker 2: 45:49

Before the election.

Speaker 1: 45:50

I just don't think he realized how powerful because it it seems to be a little bit of a recurring theme that that some of the people that are here legally that were immigrants have said, we are all for legal immigration. We're not for illegal immigration. And but there are and to bring this full circle, regardless of what he did, there was gonna be some collateral damage. Right now, the collateral damage is some vulnerable people going through some traumatic things of being removed and some of those things. If he wouldn't have done it, there would have been the the one case of the person that got to stay that killed someone or robbed a bank.

Speaker 1: 46:28

Collateral damage either way. Yeah. I respect his decision to make a change, but it's like anything I just it's like in the same in my business. I respect industry changes to protect consumers.

Speaker 2: 46:39

Mhmm.

Speaker 1: 46:39

I don't always agree with the execution of it. Mhmm. So okay. Listen. Gotta I gotta wrap up.

Speaker 1: 46:45

I wanna talk about a couple more real quick personal things. Okay. I wanna tell you something. I learned more in the last forty minutes with you about what people are going through. Mhmm.

Speaker 1: 46:54

And I love that, and I get why you're so passionate about it. I I mean it. I've heard you speak. I've heard people talk about thanking you for helping their friends and colleagues and businesses and stuff like that. I just I feel like I learned so much.

Speaker 1: 47:07

Like, I'm way more knowledgeable about what's really going on and and really how things work. Mhmm. Let's wrap up with a couple personal things. Okay. I don't wanna say this word wrong, but I might.

Speaker 1: 47:17

Favorite last meal, omasaki. Did I say that right? Yeah. Omasaki. Omasaki.

Speaker 1: 47:22

Yeah. And so for the audience members who don't know, if I understand it because I looked it up, omasaki is when you go somewhere and you don't order anything and you let the chef just bring you food.

Speaker 2: 47:35

One by one.

Speaker 1: 47:36

One by one. Yeah. And so let me ask you a question. I'm a finicky eater. Mhmm.

Speaker 1: 47:41

If I go to Korea, don't laugh. Can I say, I want omasaki? Just don't give me any squid or or something. Or is it you go in an omasaki, and they're gonna they're gonna bring you what they want?

Speaker 2: 47:55

I think you can definitely tell them what you're allergic to and what you don't wanna have. But when it comes to your preference, personal preference Yeah. Other than allergic reaction Yeah. I think it'll be a little bit difficult because it'll hurt the the chef's pride.

Speaker 1: 48:09

I was just gonna say

Speaker 2: 48:10

You don't wanna hurt their pride or get into their And what

Speaker 1: 48:14

are you is it seafood? Is it soups?

Speaker 2: 48:17

Is it sushi? Sushi. Sushi. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 48:20

Because sushi is one of my favorite dishes. Mhmm. So if I go to Korea Mhmm. And I do it that way, they're just gonna bring me whatever their specialty of sushi is. Now I think I would love that.

Speaker 1: 48:32

Yeah. I don't think I would like if someone surprised me with some sort

Speaker 2: 48:36

of brain or no. You're not gonna be thing.

Speaker 1: 48:39

Yeah. And and so can you do that at Korean restaurants here, or is it really when you're in Korea?

Speaker 2: 48:45

It's more specialized, you know, dining experience in Japan. Yeah. Yeah. For when you go to Korea, I'm not sure if they have that kind of omakase type of dinner

Speaker 1: 49:00

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 49:01

Other than, like, Japanese restaurant in Korea. Sure. But if you're talking about authentic Korean food

Speaker 1: 49:06

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 49:07

I think it's more of we just bring every dishes all in one table, almost like the table is about to break. Yeah. So you they put out all this variety of different side dishes with main rice and soup. Yeah. It's so colorful and so pretty.

Speaker 1: 49:23

I'm gonna do that when I go there.

Speaker 2: 49:25

Cannot wait to tell you where to go.

Speaker 1: 49:26

Yes. Yes. Can tell how passionate and knowledgeable and educated Evelyn is. She's not passionate about immigration because, you know, it's immigration. Her family came here to this country, and she's so passionate about it.

Speaker 1: 49:44

And you would serve you and your clients well if you needed help in that area to meet with her. I want you to look in that camera. Okay. And I want you to tell people, whether it's a phone or an email or website, how they can try and reach out to you if they wanna connect with you.

Speaker 2: 49:59

Yeah. You can all always find my website. Find me on my website, which is www.evelynmoon.com. That's my name, evelynmoon.com. And then I have Instagram, Evelyn Moon Law.

Speaker 2: 50:11

That's my Instagram handle. And I'm on my LinkedIn, Evelyn Moon. You can just, you know, search me on LinkedIn. Yeah. I think that's about it.

Speaker 2: 50:19

And I think I have TikTok account, but I rarely use it. I'm not a Gen Z or younger generation. So I stay away from TikTok.

Speaker 1: 50:28

Our generation seems to be a little bit more in the Instagram and and Facebook. Facebook. And I don't need one more social media platform to try and integrate. I'm I'm so grateful that we got to sit down. I love on those boys.

Speaker 1: 50:40

I love that you wanna freeze time because you're gonna turn around one day, and they're gonna be dating a girl, and you're gonna be sick to your stomach. But but the boys always come home to mama. That's what they do. My my two sons I'm very close. My two sons love their mom more than me, which I get.

Speaker 1: 50:55

My daughter and I are a little bit more connected. So the good news for you is your boys will always love you more than anyone else. And so you're you're gonna be fine trying to free some time. I wish you luck on your quest because I love how passionate you are about something that's a a difficult landscape right now, but you do it with some grace and some joy and and some balance. And so I I can't wait to see how many more people you're able to help.

Speaker 1: 51:19

So thanks for coming on, Evelyn. I really enjoyed our time.

Speaker 2: 51:21

I really enjoyed our conversation. Thank you so much for having me, Chris.

Speaker 1: 51:24

Yeah. You're welcome. Thanks, everyone. We'll see you next time.