There are two primary ways to buy bees. One is Nucs (an established colony) and the other is Packages. We will talk them through with our resident honey chaser, Jason in this episode of In The Garden with Keith Ramsey.
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Keith: Keith Ramsey with
garden supply company.
I've got Jason here today.
Jason is our full-time beekeeper
manages, the bee department.
Helps people out with advice and does
all of our pollination and honey chasing
that we do up in, up and down the red.
Jason, now we're going to talk about the
difference between nukes and and packages.
What do you think the biggest difference
is between nukes and packages?
Jason?
Bee Expert: Timing.
Timing is the.
The advantage of getting an established
colony over a loose assortment of
bees, which is what a package of bees
Keith: are.
And so packages usually
come at what timeframe
Bee Expert: packages are later in
the season and are dependent on
how the weather gums up through
the south, because most bees are
coming up from Georgia and the lady
get them the less time you have to
Keith: build.
So if you get a package,
you're not, you're likely not
going to see honey that year.
Bee Expert: You be hopeful to
build out your colony, to fill
out all the frames with wax and
have some food stores in them.
You'll definitely be supplementing to get
Keith: that.
I bought packages initially
when I got into beekeeping
10 years, 10, 15 years ago.
And that was the thing I didn't even
know about nukes when I got into it.
I knew I knew there was packages
available and I bought packages.
But that was probably my biggest thing I
learned down the road was that, you can
put a nuke in and so our nukes come, what
Bee Expert: 1st of March
into February typically am.
Keith: And when you're in and how much,
honey, could you harvest from a nuc?
It
Bee Expert: is an established colony.
So you've already got five full
frames of these in different stages of
development, a queen that's accepted
and a colony that's actively working.
So you put that into your hive and in
a few weeks your calling is going to
be filling out their box the amount of
space that they have to live in and you
can start to gear them up to make honey.
So you can expect to get some
honey depending on how well
the weather and the season is.
Keith: Sure.
And the nuc and the queen, and
there's lots of variables, but.
The people look at nucs, I think sometimes
and things think they're expensive.
Or there's always a question of
local nucs over Florida nucs.
I like Florida nucs
because they come early.
What's your
Bee Expert: thought in
general, I'm looking at bees.
If I'm looking for something local,
I'm probably looking more regional.
So I wouldn't buy bees that
are coming out of the Northwest
and Northeast necessarily.
I'd be looking for bees
from the south or Southeast.
Sure.
They don't necessarily have to be
from the town I'm in just from the
general area that they're going to be
forging on the same types of plants
and have the same types of weather in
Keith: general to deal with.
So you, so Florida bees that
can handle humidity and heat are
going to thrive in North Carolina.
They'll do just fine.
Excellent.
Versus something that's
acclimated to cold weather and,
Bee Expert: general in general, any
of the bees you're going to get be
it ones that are from more Northern
climate or from a Southern climate,
they're probably gonna do fine.
Anyhow, because bees are going to still go
out and do what bees do forage on flowers.
Sure.
It just, and it all depends on somewhat
of what your goals are as a beekeeper too.
So if you're looking to just grow bees
or if you're looking to produce honey
the different types of bees, you may.
May make a difference, but in general
healthy bees are what you want
Keith: a healthy full nuc
it just gets you that
quick start in the spring.
We've started we've started
nucs in the last few years.
Better than 60% of them,
70% of them produced honey.
And, sometimes we'll start a nuc in a, in
an eight frame or a 10 frame box and let
it build out and then put a honey super
on it and actually harvest honey depending
on where we are with established hives.
But the other way you can do it is
just build bees and build resources.
Bee Expert: There'll be as if
you're looking to just have
some pollinators and just.
B's in general.
Getting a nuc allows you to have getting
them early enough allows you to take
advantage of the full spring seat,
Keith: right?
So you can put them in a hive body,
and then when they fill out, you can go
ahead and add another hive body to it.
So you have twice as many
resources and the ability to
maybe split a hive later on.
Bee Expert: Absolutely.
Yep.
With the package bees
you're limited in time.
So you're going to get
those later into this.
Those bees are going to have
to first accept the queen.
That's been given to them build out wax so
that the queen can start laying eggs and
start to produce more of the colony and
fill up enough of that space so they can
reserve enough resources to get through
Keith: the summer and winter.
So then you're feeding, you're
treating, and you're managing that
hive from say April 1st or May 1st.
All the way around until , May 1st
again, right before you're going
to be able to harvest any honey.
Bee Expert: Absolutely.
So if you're looking at the cost
of things and look certainly do are
more, slightly more expensive overall,
upfront, but overall over the course
of the year and trying to make them
survive through the following year,
you'll probably spend more than.
Providing resources
Keith: for your package, be sure.
So you're at Costco buying 25
pound bags of sugar to feed
the bees instead of potentially
harvesting honey the first year.
W what about the makeup of a package?
As far as the workers, or how a
package is, a package is just shaken
out of out of a full-size hive,
Bee Expert: right?
So the commercial guys are the producers
of packaged bees will go through
their bee yards and select a strong
colonies and just shake quantities of
bees out of those hives to provide.
For the packages.
So civil have a large box of many pounds
of bees and take a scoop out, weigh them
out 2, 3, 3, 2, or three pounds each,
dump them into a nother box and then add
a queen who's separated from that colony.
Keith: So you could have all forgers
and no nurse bees potentially.
Not all probably, but not a good mix of.
Absolutely.
Bee Expert: You're getting a random
assortment of bees that are pretty
aggressively handled up until the time
you put them in your hive, the likelihood
of them doing well decreases as.
As all those issues
Keith: occur to him.
Sure.
The other thing that I think with packages
that people don't factor in is that, bees
are something that we, it's a difficult
scenario because we guarantee plants and
we stand behind our work and, everything
that we do at the garden center.
But these are something
that come with no guarantee.
It's these fly, they're an insect.
They and I've, we've had
years where we installed 20
packages trying to build bees.
We had extra packages and we're going
to install them in our own Hobbs.
And, some of those packages just fly away.
So you, you know, you don't know if
it's worth it, you know, and you don't
know what you're getting, you know,
you, uh, sometimes you get crazy BS.
Oh, we're going to build out this analogy
Bee Expert: to
Keith: the end.
, no, but you could install 10
hives and have two of them fly
away or have five of them fly away.
So you've just, if you have
five, five of them fly away and
in one year it's a 50% increase.
Now you're paying, 15, 15, $20
more than what a nuc would cost.
In in, in the flip side, You could buy
a nuc, build out a hive and split it by
in the first year and have two hives.
So there's a, there just
seems like there's so many
advantages to to buying a nuc
and when you think about it, it's okay,
it's going to be $195, later in the
season or it's going to be $225 early.
It's versus, versus the cost of
a package, it's just almost it's
it seems like a no brainer to
go with the nuke on top of that.
Just success rate as well.
Absolutely.
It's 99%, with the nuke and a hundred
percent, if you're really managing it,
if something happens to, with the queen
and you've got to replace a queen,
you've still got you've still got a
healthy nuke and you've got resources.
The other thing that I'll,
that I wanted to talk about
was the availability of nukes.
And when you start a hive
everybody's always started
hives at, in the early spring.
It's an April through may timeframe
because that's when packages are
available and that's when bees are
building up and they're getting ready
to go into the, to the the major
flow in north Carolina's tool Poplar.
So they're getting ready
to go into the flow.
You can build a package of bees in
the spring and you can actually end up
with a healthy hive, but with the new.
There's really no timeframe, may get,
except for, late fall, early winter,
our, through the winter the rest
of the year, you can put a new can.
And
Bee Expert: packages are only
available in the early spring.
And that's about it for four packages.
They're done.
So your opportunity to expand
your contemplate your colonies
is done at that point.
They can be.
Pretty much throughout the active season.
So up until late, early fall,
late summer which allows you
all that extra advantages.
Of trying to expand your colony through
the earth, your apiary through the
Keith: year.
And then they're ready once
they overwinter, they're ready
for the honey nectar flow.
So you can make, basically if you
put a colony in September and fed
it make sure that it's treated and
it's cared for you'll be making
honey coming into the spring.
That's correct.
Yeah.
I think that, that pretty much sums
it up on, on nukes and packages.
Both of them are definitely
good ways to start a hive.
But I think if you've got a little
bit more money to spend, you'll
end up saving money by doing a nuc.
Bee Expert: Absolutely you will.
Keith: Okay, perfect.
We'll stop by and talk
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If beekeeping's not something that you
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And then later on, if something
you want to adopt and bring home,
Bee Expert: you'll get honey
from those two, we guaranteed
honey from the host type program.
Yeah.
Keith: So our host, the hive
program was one of the only
ones that you actually can get.
You definitely get honey out of.
So it's a kind of a guaranteed program.
Bee Expert: You're on the
lookout for swarms as well.
Keith: You have swarms
swarms are now for sure.
They're middle of spring.
You'll start to see swarms and
reach out to the garden center.
If you see one and we'll either come
pick it up or get somebody to pick it up.
So it's not just it, save those bees
until next time it's Keith Ramsey,
Jason at garden supply company.