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Welcome to "Visionary Voices" the podcast where we dive into the minds of business owners, founders, executives, and everyone in between.
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So Kim, thank you so much for joining me on today's episode of Visionary Voices.
Can you give us a top level view of what it is that you do right now and your journey so
far?
Yes, it's so great to actually be here and speak with you.
I love your podcast by the way I am founder of wave Institute LLC and It's a coaching and
training company where we coach and train individuals and leaders and mastering
connections to empower the way they live and lead
Nice.
So how did you get into that line of business then?
It sounds very, very interesting and very unique.
Yeah, well my background is psychology and I just did not love the traditional psychology
route.
So when I found coaching, I loved it.
I thought it was way more, I saw bigger results and I started off in life and wellness
coaching and then found my way naturally into coaching leaders and they...
Definitely saw a big need for this as I was coaching them individually and their You know
in with their teams and their work in their business, so they brought me in and saw
profound Impact
Yeah, no, it's so cool that you work with them on that one-on-one and the life side things
and then figure out actually we could bring this to the business side as well and really
impact their teams and everything.
mean, talk me through your wave process a little bit.
I know we spoke a little bit about it before, but be good to understand, you know, what is
the wave process and how does that work and how did it come into existence as well?
Okay, yeah.
Well, it is a natural, it's a blueprint for mastering connection.
It helps us move through triggers and patterns that keep us stuck and helps us move into
connection where it shifts our nervous system as we move through these beliefs or limiting
beliefs that we have created.
and it allows us to show up in a connected and empowering way.
Hmm, very interesting.
in terms of the, the, the practical technicals, how does, how does that work?
Cause from my experience working with, you know, other companies and founders, it can be
very hard to change people's mind about different approaches and the way they manage the
team or in my case, their marketing and everything.
So how have you managed to implement that with other companies?
well, I did it because I think there's a need now, a big shift in the way businesses are
operating and I think our work.
being asked so much more from our leaders.
And this younger generation that's coming up is kind of demanding to be treated
differently.
And so I think my approach time-wise is, even though it's progressive, it's needed.
And I think these companies are seeing a gap.
These entrepreneurs and companies are seeing.
gap in keeping people motivated and productive and So when I introduced the wave to them
they immediately see the gap they're like, my goodness.
Yes, I think we're now Understanding the need to look at more of the mental health
emotional side of things and build these softer skills
to maintain people not getting so burnt out and how to be more productive and move things
forward.
Mmm.
so they're wanting it and needing it.
And you can see it right when you see the wave process.
You can kind of see how it would fill the gap of just your traditional looking at just
buildings telling somebody how to show up differently or teaching them a skill.
It actually helps them look at these patterns that are shifting the way they're showing up
energetically.
And so even though, you know, one on one,
we can do a little more deeper work, but in a group setting it still works.
We found a way to work with them that still creates that safety, but they are doing more
of the hard work to actually shift in the way they're showing up, not just teach a skill.
Yeah, no, I love that.
And I love what you said about figuring out the patterns in essentially their energy,
right?
And how are they showing up and all these different things as well?
I mean, when it comes down to it, how do you go about that in that one-to-one setting?
How do you start breaking down, I think, those walls and really showing them that gap and
what they need to do to get to the next step?
Because it seems like quite a big task, right?
Trying to really shift and change people's personality in the way they really approach
business and life and everything.
So how do you approach that in that one-on-one setting?
Well, I think whether it's individuals or leaders that I've coached over many years, I
think what I have found is that they have tried many things, whether that's therapy or
even in leadership, they've tried lots of different coaches or different approaches and
they are still not quite showing up in the way they really want to.
And so they're missing something and they know it.
And so I remind them in coaching,
we start if you know when we start to maybe look a little bit more at the patterns that
are running and go a little deeper than maybe they're used to I remind them of what
they're really wanting to experience and let them get a great buy-in of what they're
wanting and it motivates them to go more on that.
Mm, mm.
because they're like, yes, that's what's missing.
So they're more willing to go there.
And I never push.
I always meet people where they're at, for sure.
Yeah, yeah, definitely.
And what you said about missing something, I completely resonate with that because when I
first started my business, at the time I got into it, was like, I just want to make a bit
of money on the side.
That's what I wanted to do.
And in essence, I was working in an industry which I had no knowledge about, didn't really
enjoy.
And I was just trying to make a bit of money there.
But I always felt myself like there's something missing in this work that I'm doing.
as you said, right, I wasn't showing up as my authentic self, say.
I think in business, especially as a leader or founder, it can be very challenging to do
that sometimes.
Maybe the way you've built the business, you have to show up in a different way versus who
you actually are.
And for me, had to essentially go right back to the start, start all from zero and build
it from the ground up in terms of like a second business of something that I'm actually
passionate about, which is around podcasting and talking to people and relationships and
all these different things as well.
And so I completely agree.
It can be a very difficult thing, but if you, I guess, analyze yourself first and...
as you said, try and figure out, okay, what is missing?
And then try and bridge that gap is where you're then gonna see that transition and that
transformation, say.
Absolutely.
A good friend of mine who loves the series Mad Men, Dawn Draper, she said a quote that I
was like that really resonates.
said, Dawn Draper's quote is that when a man walks in the room, he brings his whole life
with him.
And I was like, yes, when we, all of us walk into a room or build a business or do, you
know, want to reach that next level in our lives, we are bringing
When we walk into a room, bringing our whole lives with us.
So energetically, people feel it.
You can learn a skill and you can say, well, you're supposed to say this, this works.
But everyone feels your energy.
When you are operating from more of your authentic self, people feel it and they want to
follow your lead more.
They want to learn from you.
They're more inspired by you.
And I love that one of my biggest passions is to teach leaders how to move from this
demanding authoritarian type of leadership into this commanding presence, this executive
presence or this leadership presence that
really wants people want to follow you or they want to and they feel safe enough right to
also share with you give you feedback give you criticism when you need it so it creates
the safety and it this type of leadership or this type of this way of being allows it
brings out the best in people and that's one of my biggest passions because everybody also
wants to operate for more of their authentic self
face it, they do.
And they get further doing it.
They're way more successful, I believe.
no, no, definitely.
So, I mean, tell me more about shifting from that authoritarian approach of management and
leadership to that collaborative and connected form of leadership as well.
What are some of the biggest challenges you've seen within leaders making that shift?
Because as we said, it's quite a big shift to really change the way you operate your
business and lead and show up and everything.
I think we kind of have to honor how we have evolved, right?
mean, in the past, that is what leadership looked like.
It was very demanding, very authoritarian, do it this way, or, you know.
as I said earlier, we have evolved.
People really understand and want to be treated differently.
And so I think...
shifting from this place because we now know this is science, right?
Like we know that connection really, what is connection?
I talk about connected leadership and that is what I work with people on in businesses is
to embrace this.
moving from this authoritarian to this connected type of leadership and it's really
creating an environment where people feel seen, heard and valued and creating safety and
trust.
So because we know in through neuroscience is really like where psychology and neurology
and coaching kind of come together and the wave process is that but and helping these
leaders become connected leaders.
It's it's
It's about creating that environment where people feel seen, and valued.
And we know now that when that occurs, that the nervous system calms down and we get out
of fight or flight.
Fight, flight, freeze, I'm sure you've heard of that, right?
And that's when people, when we're in that state of calm, and that's when the brain and
the neocortex comes online and we're thinking more clearly, we're making better decisions
where people feel
good and that is now we know that you can go, you don't have to be demanding and
authoritative to drive transformation, to move things forward, to be successful in life or
business.
You can have a commanding presence, a very confident presence, but also a connected and
creating a safety and trust where people feel like they can make mistakes, they can
They can be their authentic selves and when that occurs, true success naturally starts to
follow.
Definitely.
And what you said about the psychology aspect of that, because back a few years ago, I
actually was in in currency trading a lot.
as you know, currency trading is all about the mental and trying to get your emotions
under control and all these different things.
And I remember when I first started, it was very much in that reptilian brain, right?
The fight, fight, flight response with things.
And that makes your decision making so cloudy and you start making mistakes and you will
double down and make even more mistakes and it will start spiraling you out.
And that can also be taken into business as well, right?
Is that if you are always operating from that side of things, I mean, think about it from
a business point of view is if you are like that, well, eventually the staff are probably
gonna have enough of that and move on.
And if they all leave at the same time or the majority of the department goes or whatever
happens, then the business ultimately is gonna also go down that downward spiral as well.
So I love that, know, identifying that first for sure.
Yes, it's such a foundational piece of being successful or building a business or building
a relationship.
It is so important because I mean, I have coached some...
couple that created a business, a great business, a great idea.
Their business almost failed because just their ability there they didn't quite have the
ability to hold accountability, create good boundaries.
They were really nice, but they would oscillate from being really nice to then things
would get out of hand and not be moving forward because they weren't setting good
boundaries and holding accountability and they would get angry.
So they would oscillate from really, really nice to angry.
And so it was volatile, right?
And so the environment and the culture couldn't sustain people.
And this idea was so great.
And so they brought me in.
and let me help them shift these patterns and really build the skill of holding
accountability, creating a culture of connection and safety.
Yet...
you know, having clear yes and no boundaries, very good communication, what works, what
doesn't work, what they're wanting, what they're not wanting, and it totally shifted their
business.
yeah, and that same with the relationship, right?
Having that ability, but we both know what that's like and everyone who is listening, I
know, knows what that's like because we don't know what we don't know until we know it,
right?
We can be the smartest person in the room and yet,
We have these patterns, we all have it, it's the human experience, but we all have these
patterns or beliefs that we're maybe not aware of that have us show up and make decisions
from maybe that fight or flight place, fight, flight or freeze place.
And that's not really what we wanna be, that's not where we wanna be operating from,
right?
Yeah.
no, completely agree.
And when you were talking about about that side of things at the beginning with the
business, I was actually thinking more, you know, if people are struggling to understand
the concepts, think of it in your relationship, right?
Imagine if your partner was one day being amazing, really nice, and the next day was
shouting at you, eventually over time, that's going to wear you down very, very, to be
fair, very quickly, right?
And so if you take that principle and apply it to business, as you said, it's so true that
you need to lead.
from the very calm state, right?
As you said, set those boundaries.
I mean, in terms of action steps, someone could go into it.
They're like, okay, I know, so I got these patterns and whatever that looks like.
Like what should they do next to start really bringing change into the business and the
organization?
Well, first of all, I work with entrepreneurs and leaders to get very clear about their
vision and their culture and what they want to create.
And I meet them where they're at and then we take, we define small doable steps to create
that culture from where they're at.
I think sometimes it's really hard to have, if you're operating a certain way and then you
want to jump to a new culture, because you know you need to, you gotta be mindful of the
steps that you're taking to create that culture and create doable steps to do that.
so I really help people get clear about where they're at, where they wanna go, and what
steps, doable steps,
need to be taken to, it's not a marathon.
I mean, it's not a race, right?
It's a marathon, right?
What is that saying?
Right?
It's like, it's not a sprint.
yeah.
so, you know, creating just even simple things about getting people's buy-in about why we
want to create this kind of culture and starting there and not coming in and just saying
this is what we're going to start doing.
I help.
people create buy-in with their team of why they want to create this kind of culture.
So sometimes you have to have smaller baby steps, right, as you're building this type of
culture.
Yeah, no, definitely.
And when it comes to, because I remember what you said at the start about, you know,
getting clear on the vision and the vision of what that culture could be like.
I mean, what's some questions I guess people could ask themselves to really start thinking
about that a little bit more.
Because I know for myself, whenever I'm trying to figure out, what's my vision for this
quarter and this year and whatever, I try and figure out what questions can I ask myself
to bring out of me because it's sometimes hard just to think about it on the spot.
So do you have any questions or anything like that people could maybe ask themselves to
start this process for themselves?
Okay, so if you knew you were going to be successful, right?
Like just, let's just say, if you knew you had all the resources, time, money, and you
knew you couldn't fail ultimately, when you ask that kind of question, what happens?
Like just right now, like what happens to you when I ask you that?
But I feel like you get out of, it's quite interesting.
I feel like you get out of maybe a scarcity mindset and you start thinking much bigger in
terms of the picture of what you could do and what you could maybe build as well.
Yeah, it's quite interesting, yeah.
exactly like so when I help I ask that's one of the first questions I ask right?
If you knew you couldn't fail and you knew you had all the time money resources and okay
what would you just begin to not and there's no right or wrong and there's no perfect
perfection in this what
Can you just start imagining what you want to, I do the physical, right?
Like, oh, how much money, what impact would you wanna make?
What kind of culture, what do you want it to feel like every day when you go to work,
right?
How do you wanna feel?
What do want it to look like, feel like, be like?
think often we get into this place where we're just like, the vision, I want it to be, I
need to make this much money and I need it to, in this amount of time.
And we get real hardcore in the way we are creating our vision.
And some of that's okay, but the other piece is like, what do you want to experience?
How do you want to contribute?
How do you want it to feel?
When you start asking those kind of questions, I think it's innate in us.
mean, are, Tony Robbins has these six needs, which I love, and they are, I don't know if I
know them all, I haven't looked at them in a while, but it's contribution, connection,
significance, safety, un,
uncertainty, uncertainty, some of these types of, we need these types of things.
so when you tap in and ask,
questions around those types of needs people start to be able to tap in to what they are
wanting to experience more of because sometimes you're blocked like you said because of
maybe some fear or limiting beliefs and that kind of thing and so to help get clear and
that's why coaching is so great because You might not even realize that you have it or
maybe you do but you don't know what to do with it right and we want to be able to
move those a little bit so you can have more ability you have the ability to vision and to
contemplate what it is you're really wanting to create.
It's tapping into that emotion as you said because that's when I guess I think that's when
you really change as a person right is when let's say if someone's been in a negative
pattern or a negative loop for a little bit of time you eventually reach a point where
your emotions are so much where that will create the change within you to then go on to
that next thing and start progressing into in those certain areas as well so yeah
completely agree I think that's a great question for people to ask themselves I'm
definitely gonna think about a little bit more after this after this recording for sure
good, Equill.
That's so great because you get so busy, right?
Like you're really, really busy and we get a little bit on autopilot because we're just
like, do the next thing, do the next thing, do the next thing.
And there's nothing negative about that necessarily, but we have to take some time to step
back.
and connect and I talk about the five power questions which I love to use and that is what
do I really want?
What do I want it to look like, feel like, be like?
Why do I want it?
What will it give me?
What's the challenge?
What would stand in my way?
What do I need and what is my next action?
What is my next doable action?
work a lot with the five power questions and then the wave process itself.
When you're really witnessing and looking at the parts of you that are triggered or
running a pattern and how do you really work through those, right?
And the other part of the wave process is how you communicate in a connected way.
How do you pick up when somebody else is in a fight or flight or not showing up and you
may just say, oh, well, you're being lazy or you're procrastinating or you're not getting
shit done, right?
are you?
Where are you?
how, as a leader and as a person, whether you're in a relationship or it's your coworker,
how do you pick up on that and when you understand and be curious about what might be
going on underneath that, you can communicate from a different place with a little more
empathy and connection and it will help move that kind of, it'll help move that.
Yeah, don't assume.
just never assume because you never know what is going on and you know, maybe they just
need to have a conversation about something to help them out about whatever's blocking
them and it can be something as small as that right sometimes some people have just had a
bad bad few days and they just need to run a little bit and go off and speak to you but
you need to create that environment for them to be able to come up to you and speak to you
in that authentic way so it goes back to what we said at the start right it all connects
back
which is really incredible.
I mean, I know you worked with some really large organizations and corporations.
So when it comes to creating change within those corporations, what does that look like?
from, I guess, a smaller company, you can see how you can implement that.
But from these huge companies, it's almost like they're just machines and robots, right?
How do you even change an organization or parts of an organization like that?
Well, it does start with the top leaders, for sure.
And however, though, even with big companies, say the very top leadership isn't operating
quite with this connected leadership mentality, growth mindset mentality, but you have
quite a few leaders who are buying into that.
It still works because they're directly working with their teams, right?
And they're modeling even outside of their teams, they're modeling this new way of being
and people are naturally drawn to it because they're not soft.
They're not, it's not about being soft.
And of course remember we talked about changing your energy and it's still a very
confident commanding presence and executive presence energy.
But yet so people so they're kind of naturally drawn to it because we're hardwired for
what I'm talking about.
Meaning we're all hardwired to be seen heard and valued and you know when we're talking
and I see and hear you people respond and they naturally respond.
So even if other
the other leaders are not quite bought in, it's still very impactful because once a team,
even one team,
Embraces this way of operating it starts as it becomes a ripple effect and that is what
happened is starting to happen I know at juniper networks I love working with them and
they're a very progressive company and they're they really care about their culture and
And I started working with just a few leaders and then it just started, it was a ripple
effect, right?
Because people were like, wow, this is different.
I like this.
And then people started noticing and giving their 360s and they were changing and it was
impactful.
you know, often it's kind of like, you just start, you can start small and it starts to
have a ripple effect.
And the more people who embrace this, then the
just starts changing.
I mean, it would be great if it always started at the very, very top, but it doesn't
always.
Yeah, I think the key message there is don't underestimate the impact you can have.
Right?
I think that's a huge message.
Because even if you are the same working as a management level within the corporation,
don't think it as you said, it has to come from the top.
Yeah, be great.
But it doesn't have to be how can you show up in work and your team and then naturally as
your team work with other departments or other teams or whatever that can then spread and
actually create some huge
huge change within the company and organization.
So I think that's a great message for anyone working in a big company for sure.
You can make change happen.
You can.
and especially if you, okay, if it is so, so toxic and there's no way it's changing, now
that, okay, that might be a different story.
But often that's not necessarily true.
And I think when we learn to interpret what's going on, not get so triggered by it, not
take things so personal, and by using the WAVE process and coaching this way, you begin to
have more resiliency.
You're not as stressed and reactive.
You can handle these things better because your nervous system isn't so
reactive, right?
So then you can model and speak in a way that...
you know, helps move the conversation and find the win-win with more ease, even with
somebody who is operating more from that authoritarian, demanding type of, you know,
leadership or way of being.
So, it's all about us, right?
We can, we have more power, exactly, than we realize.
And we can only have that power if we're not reactive.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
I mean, I want to talk a little bit more about your business journey, because I know the
journey for entrepreneurs is one of, it's a very interesting journey for sure.
So mean, tell me about maybe some mentors or some people that really guided you on this
journey that you've gone on and what are some of the lessons and things that you've
learned from them to really help you grow as a person and as a business as well.
Yeah, well, when I first started, I mentioned that my background was psychology and I did
not like traditional psychology.
Well, one of my biggest, I quit.
I just stopped and then...
I was like, nope, this isn't it.
So I trusted, I just trusted.
I just kind of went on a little different path.
I created, I actually went into health and wellness and created my own Pilates studio and
I was training people in that way.
But yet I kept finding myself coming back to constantly helping them through their
challenges, through their relationships, through their business.
I was coaching them.
I didn't even, I wasn't even a
the time but I just noticed I was doing it and I was like gosh.
this Pilates thing isn't it for me.
I've got to go into something in this arena.
I just don't know what it is.
And then I met my, really great mentor, Beverly Nelson, who guided me more into
transpersonal psychology, which is more of a holistic way of getting outside of who we
think we are.
And so I went and got my master's degree in that.
And then through that, I found coaching.
And when I found coaching, I knew I was going to mix coaching and therapy and create my
own thing.
And that is what I did.
So she was a huge inspiration for shifting my career and moving me towards...
way that felt really good to me and and I think what I want to really share from this is
like You know these types of mentors can really help you I have two parts to that trust
your intuition Don't just go down the the road that you think you you know Oh I should go
down this road even if you hate it if you don't like it trust right so what for me to pull
back and trust that I'll figure it out was a big lesson and and then having her
guide me into this more non-traditional way of therapy and you know and then binding
coaching was huge.
So she played a huge role in that and then as far as like businesses and I have a really
great leader that
He has helped me, his name's Daryl, and he is a great leader.
And I listen to him and he has helped me.
Us together, we have created and moved this concept of connected leadership forward and
it's really awesome.
He's been a great inspiration and has really helped me in my career.
Yeah.
mean, what you said at the start there about the journey is when you're trying these
different things, you know, going back to what you said at the very start of the
conversation, you weren't being authentic.
Right.
And you could feel the stresses inside.
You feel the conflict there.
So it's interesting, right?
It's come kind of full circle a little bit because you actually went through this exact
process yourself and got kind of the other end.
And now you teach that to other people, which is, which is really, really cool.
And yeah.
will say something about that.
When I first embraced coaching, coaching at that time wasn't maybe as, there was some
skepticism around it.
I don't think it was embraced like it is now.
I think people thought, it professional enough?
it?
Yeah, I, and the way people were marketing their coaching services was very cookie cutter.
it was, none of that worked for me.
It was hard for me the way they were marketing it.
I didn't want to market it that way.
And I had to face a big challenge around this whole skepticism thing around coaching.
And so to be able...
to weather that storm and still find my way, my own way and think outside of the box and
realize that I definitely need to find my own niche in this arena of coaching because so
many coaches were kind of looking and doing the same thing and that didn't fit me.
So I had to really dig deep to find my own way of
expanding my business through it was all about relationship for me because connection is
such a high value of mine.
I actually expanded my business through relationship not just this cookie cutter marketing
way of doing it.
Yeah.
I resonate with that a lot because, you coming from the marketing agency world, right, is
there's a million different, or billion different marketing agencies out there.
And as you said, right, they all market in a very similar way.
It's very direct response marketing.
And for me, as again, right, more of a relationship type of person, it just doesn't fit
with me very, very well.
And I've tried these things before.
And again, it's a lot of conflict there.
And then we move more into that relationship approach.
And again, we've seen a lot of success in that, in that arena as well.
But going back to what you said before about just figuring it out is quite interesting.
was thinking about this as kind of reviewing the year and everything is whenever I'm going
through a difficult time and I come out the end of it, well, whenever I go through a
difficult time, I always come out the end of it is what I'm trying to say, right?
And so whenever you are going through that, you just know, I've gone through many
different things before and we worked out fine.
And so like for me, that's been a very big, I think, helper overall.
when I am trying to do something new or change something up or whatever that looks like is
that you will figure it out.
Like you always will figure it out.
And when you look back, it's quite interesting when you try and look to the future, you
can't really see how these dots might connect.
But when you look back, they all connect into this lovely journey that you've been on,
right?
And it all makes a lot of sense that you had to go through this hardship to learn this and
then that's brought that skill into this and then whatever that looks like.
So it's such an interesting concept, especially in...
entrepreneurship, right?
Where this again, there's that all that uncertainty and you don't know, people don't know
how all these things are going to line up.
You know, how are you going to merge these two different types of coaching and you can't
use the or you don't want to use the traditional route of the way people are marketing
themselves because it's not, you know, it's not who you are.
You know, in the time it's like, would I do?
It's a lot of uncertainty, but looking back, you're like, well, I learned this.
I went through this, went through this.
And now we're here with this product, this service, which is, which is phenomenal.
Okay, you are bringing up something so important to talk about.
when I talk about mastering connection, I talk about the three levels of connection,
whether you're in your life or a coach or a therapist or a leader, the three levels of
connection, because you're tapping into it when you start talking about authenticity and
intuition.
you know, not, you're looking back and you can see how all of these dots aligned, right?
The first level of connection is connecting with yourself, right?
How do you show up more authentic?
and not who you should be, right?
And I think whether you're in business or life, people are done with that.
They're just ready to be more authentic, right?
And not be so externally driven to get their value and approval.
mental health is showing us that we need to go within and be, learn how to be more
authentic.
And that is working through your triggers, learning, you know, learning from what has
happened in the past and how that affects you today and understanding that and accepting
all parts of you, right?
And working with them and empowering them for sure, but like really reconnecting with
yourself.
And the second one is how do you stay connected to other people?
Even if you don't agree, even if you have to end a relationship, even
How do you have connected conversation and do that and pick up and help people's nervous
system calm down by the way you're showing up, right?
How do you stay connected even in the face of challenge?
And the third one.
kind of connecting to what you were saying, is all about energy, right?
It's all about, I say the universal field, it doesn't matter what you call it, God, it
does not matter, but the truth is, when we connect to energy and the power of energy and
how energy...
when we can touch it and connect to it, it helps guide us.
Our intuition increases, whether that's through meditation, being in nature, all kinds of
ways to develop and everything out.
This is mainstream now, you know what I'm talking about.
Lots of successful business people meditate now, they talk about it.
But this energy is so important and I think it's where businesses is head, leadership and
businesses are headed this way to embrace this third level of connection a little bit more
because it helps us create, it helps us manifest.
We stop push, push, push, push, push so much.
What's the next right move?
What is the next feeling that I'm getting pulled towards or what's coming towards me more
instead of me pushing and forcing when it's not time?
Yes.
Yeah.
We wear ourselves out and then we end up having to circle back and go back to where we
would have been anyway at the beginning to make that move.
Right?
You know it, right?
You know what I'm saying.
Yeah, it's like, well, I should be doing this right now.
Well, no, you shouldn't because it's not time.
And when you tap into this third level, you become really clear about what is next.
Hmm.
so, and when you're expanding your business, that becomes even more important to train,
you know, to hire people and these leaders who understand these three levels of
connection.
That's where we're headed.
I think because when more and more leaders and more entrepreneurs can tap into what we're
talking about, then one, you create a culture where things kind of move quicker.
they actually move quicker and you can create quicker and more efficiently and people are
not as stressed.
That's the bottom line.
You see you get both.
So I love talking, you my passion is to help people master the three levels of connection
in this way because I think it's where it is, it helps us empower the way we live and lead
and it really creates success at the deepest, like at the core.
Yeah, yeah.
You know, I love that, right?
It's at the core.
think this is all such a powerful message and so many different like golden nuggets that
people can definitely get out of this.
So it's been a, it's definitely been an eye of note for myself as well.
So I'm going to listen back to this and make some more notes and start doing some of these
processes for sure.
So I mean, one of the final questions we always ask on this podcast is if you can go back
to your 18 year old self and you could speak to her and you're like, okay, these are the
three things you should know about whether it's mindset.
business, philosophy, whatever those lessons are.
What would those three lessons be and why would be those three things?
Okay, well, I'm going to tell a quick little story first about that because I was at the
end of my junior year in high school and I grew up in a very...
alcoholic dysfunctional environment, which of course has led me to what I'm doing today,
right?
Massive disconnection and the power of connection and how important it is early on.
But I was, you could say I was not that great in school based on my environment at the
time.
But at the end of my junior year, I was like, I'm going to make a plan and I'm going to
graduate.
I'm going to make this work, right?
And it wasn't that I wasn't smart.
I was just not in a very supportive environment.
I was in a lot of fight or flight.
I had to help myself survive.
So I was at school one day and I had made this big plan and I said, my gosh, okay, if I
pass this class, this class and I take the summer school, I'm going to be able to
graduate.
All I need is one point to, in home economics, to make this work.
This is true.
And so I go to my teacher and I'm like, look, I know I haven't been that great in showing
up.
but here's my plan, blah, blah.
And I was like, if you could give me this one point, I can make this work.
She looked right at me and said, I'm not gonna give you that point, you need to learn your
lesson.
And she did not give me that point, and that day I gave up.
I walked out of school, I quit high school.
Wow.
and I left, I walked out, and then I knew quickly I had to make things work, right?
what I did was not go their traditional route.
Okay, I did not go the traditional route.
Would I have liked to have graduated?
Yes.
I think it would have been a little better.
But however, what it did was put me in this trajectory of thinking outside the box and how
do I still find my way and be successful even though I didn't do that.
So I had to learn to think outside the box and not always think, well, if I didn't do it
this way, then I can't be successful.
So I ended up going and getting a BA
psychology I went and just took the test and passed and I got into community college and
then got a master's degree.
I went forward right and so one of my big advice you know things something I would say is
just because you maybe don't go the traditional route or you have major hardship does not
mean you cannot be successful.
And you have to learn to think outside the box and find ways to, and create ways of
working situations and make decisions that might not be traditional.
And yeah.
right?
Don't be, don't be worried about that.
Because oftentimes, right, you go through it you're to learn so much throughout that
journey as well.
And when you look back as well, you know, it's such an interesting journey and it is very
cool.
And so, no, that's very, very powerful.
I think it's a very powerful.
is so important because it's like, I think what I see a lot of people do when I coach them
is that if they were told too much what to do and this is the way you are successful and
that...
Some of that is not all bad, but what it does is not have you connected to your authentic
self of what drives you and what's passionate for you and really finding your way.
And so, you know, I think the big message I would want to give is really learn how to go
within.
What is true for you?
What is your yes and no?
And follow that direction.
Sometimes you have to think outside the box.
No, I love it.
I love it.
Well, thank you so much for joining me on today's episode.
I really enjoyed it.
Awesome, thank you so much.