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Dearly Discarded is a podcast dedicated to people who have been silenced. We would like their voices to be heard, and so we are offering this podcast to do exactly that. These people are from all walks of life but they have one thing in common, they participated in the “safe and effective” medicine that they believed would protect them during the pandemic. Now they are injured and ignored. It is time for them to speak and be heard. Please listen with an open mind and heart. Hear these voices and share their stories with your friends and family. Welcome to the Dearly Discarded Podcast.
Emma and Kathy Video Audio
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Jared: [00:00:00] Welcome to the Dearly Discarded Podcast. I'm your host. My name is Jared St. Clair, and it's good to be with you again on another episode of the show. I am, uh, really excited to bring you this next story. Um, sometimes when I do this show, I've already met and had long conversations with the people that I'm going, going to be interviewing.
This time, I'm seeing these faces for the first time and hearing the stories for the first time. And, um, I, I. Really actually like doing it that way because I feel like, um, we get a little bit more, um, I don't know of an authentic conversation. So I'm, I'm very excited to have this interview. I'd like to welcome Emma and Kathy Burkey to the Dearly Discarded Podcast.
Thank you.
Kathy: It's good to
Jared: be here. [00:01:00] All right, so we're gonna be talking primarily to Emma today. Emma, if, if you're not watching the video, uh, Emma is, uh, 20 years old. Um, she was 18 when she originally, uh, experienced, uh, got vaccinated and experienced her injury. And, uh, Kathy is her mother. And, uh, the first question I have for you, Emma, is if you can just tell us a little bit about yourself prior, uh, to the vaccine.
Emma: Um, so before I got vaccinated, I was in high school. I was a senior and I was working three jobs. I worked at my mom's construction company. I was a nanny and I babysat. . Um, okay. So I was pretty busy, uh, straight A student. I, and I love babies and the beach .
Jared: Okay. And, um, as part of, well you got vaccinated.
[00:02:00] Sorry, what, what date did you get vaccinated?
Emma: I got vaccinated on March 20th, 2021.
Jared: Okay. And which
Emma: vaccine was it? Uh, the j and j Johnson.
Jared: Johnson, j and j. So that's, uh, just a single dose, uh, vaccine. ? Yes. And, uh, March 20th of 21. So we're almost two years removed from that. When did you start to notice that something was going wrong?
Emma: Um, I'd say like, uh, Day or two later, I started having, um, a really bad headache and, um, then it turned into a migraine and then I started throwing up. Um, I didn't really think much of it because at the time, and I got my vaccine, the, the person that gave it to me, Uh, said that it was normal for you to have a fever and to throw up.
And so I thought that was just normal. And then I, um, just had a migraine and I thought it would go away, but, uh, it didn't end up going [00:03:00] away. And then, um, on April 2nd, I. , um, went to bed and then I shot straight up out of, after laying in bed and I threw up all over myself. I called my mom. I went to the bathroom and she tried calling my name and I wasn't answering her cuz I was having a seizure and didn't hear her.
So I went straight from there to the hospital.
Jared: So about 13 days later, uh, is when the, the, the big, uh, problem started happening. So what did they, what happened at the.
Emma: Um,
Kathy: do you want me to, uh, we got to the hospital as soon as it, it took a while for us to even arrive. They did a lot of, um, assessment, um, in the ambulance outside the house before they even, uh, transported us.
Uh, at that point she was having stroke symptoms. I mean, it was. Pretty obvious. I, you know, I could not imagine why she was having stroke symptoms, but, [00:04:00] um, she was, hold her arms out in front of her and one would be lower. And, um, just all the classic symptoms that they warn you about. Um, so we get into the hospital and they'd called it a code white, which is a stroke protocol.
And the doctor, Was coming over and he asked why they called it a code white. And um, they said because she was exhibiting stroke symptoms. And he said, I guarantee you a hundred percent she's not having a stroke. And he walked away. And that was the ER doctor and they. Then they did a CT scan and when they came back with the results, that same doctor came and told me that she had a small brain bleed at that point, which is a stroke
So, um, I was just, I could not fathom why, you know, she had a brain bleed. I had, I was glad I'd asked her the night before if she had been hit in the head just because she was having, um, And all. I thought maybe when she was babysitting, you know, she got hit in the head with a toy or [00:05:00] something and she had said no.
So I knew that she didn't have any traumatic injury to her head. Um, they admitted her. Um, Her seizures got worse. She was having seizures and, um, the left side of her body started to, um, not be working properly. It was, uh, she tried to get outta bed to go to the bathroom and she almost fell on the floor because, um, her left side wasn't working.
Um, they kept doing more scans. As they were doing more scans, they were finding more. Um, they told her that, well, they told me that it was gonna be a long weekend. Um, and this was Easter weekend, so I was just anticipating, you know, staying in the hospital for the weekend. But what they had meant was gonna be a long weekend and that she was gonna be in a fight for her life.
They knew it at that point. Um, things progressed quickly, we. As the [00:06:00] scans were done, they started realizing that she had, and actually I wrote it down just because I wanted to remember. Yeah. Um, uh, C V S T, which is a cerebral venous sinus thrombosis. And that's when a blood clot forms in the brains of venous sinuses and the venous sinus is what takes the oxygenated blood.
Once it goes to your brain, the blood goes back through the venous sinus to your heart to get more oxygen. And that cycle discontinues, um, that venous sinus was clogged and the blood was backing up in her brain, which was causing pressure to build up was, was causing, um, the blood vessels to rupture. So she was having.
um, hemorrhages and blood clots at the same time, and to treat one causes the other. So we were scrambling. Um, a doctor when we first got there at the time. I was a bit, um, upset because he was blaming it on the vaccine [00:07:00] and, you know, I just didn't think it could be the vaccine and. As time went on, we realized that as we narrowed things down, that that was gonna be, you know, that's what it was pointing at.
He was calling the c d C, they were calling the cdc. They were calling Johnson and Johnson because they didn't know how to treat it. What they were doing wasn't working. She was getting worse and worse. Um, they weren't returning their calls. I remember vividly sitting in her room while she's. Having seizures and I could hear them outside.
The nurse's station was right outside and they were just, they were so upset because no one was returning their calls. No one was returning emails. It was Easter weekend and they didn't know what to do. , um, the doctor actually went public with the New York Times and just called out Johnson and Johnson and the CDC saying that, um, you know, we, they weren't there to help us.
And that's one of the things that was so upsetting about all of [00:08:00] this. We, we trusted, you know, naively now, And so naive, uh, trusted the government to look out in our best interest. Mm-hmm. , um, we thought, you know, there's this virus we all need to come together. They were marking in it to children. They were saying, you know, protect the young, protect the elderly.
She, Emma had babysat for four little boys and she wanted to protect them. and that's why she got the vaccine right. And we expected them to be there for us if we had a problem, because that's what they said. You know, we filled out the VS safe, uh, protocol, which you, it's an app on your phone where you report if you're having problems.
Mm-hmm. . Um, when she began to have this problem, she hadn't registered under it, but I had, so I reported her. On my phone, and I, I honestly expected to get a phone call within hours of doing that. And I got a voicemail a month later from them. Um, you know, I, I said that, you know, at that [00:09:00] point we had been transported to Loma Linda.
I said, you know, my daughter's dying. Um, she had the vaccine and you know, they, they didn't care. Nobody cared. Wow.
Jared: Unfortunately, I wish that this is the first time I. that story. Um, the, the, the, the whole reason for the name of this podcast is, is, uh, for, you know, that same type of situation. So they, at no time during the treatment, um, did they receive any direction from CDC or.
Or, uh, J and j or anybody else?
Kathy: No, none whatsoever. Okay. None whatsoever. They did meet with my husband and I at one point because they, um, had, they were researching, they were frantically trying to find, um, something to do. And there was a case with, I'm not sure if it was Pfizer, but it was another country and they were treating it, they were treating Emma's clots with heparin, and they said that in that they had started treating it with a different, uh, blood thinner.[00:10:00]
They said they normally wouldn't do that, but that's what they did in, in this other country, this case with a different vaccine. And they wanted to know if we wanted to do that. And so I asked them what the result was. You know, how was the patient? Well, they didn't know. And so that's one of the things that we're really trying to find out was what was, you know, if this person died, then no.
Right. You know, we don't wanna try that. If, if it worked, yes. But, you know, our hands were tied. We just, we didn't know which way to turn and, They were just home with their families on Easter weekend. Ignoring.
Emma: Yeah. And the big problem with my condition is that I had, uh, both brain bleeds and blood clots in my brain.
So the treatment for one counteracted the other, right. She actually had four strokes. They said I ended up having
Jared: four in total. Wow. Uh, all in that small period of time, that weekend?
Kathy: Uh, pretty much. I
Emma: believe so. Yeah. Okay. And they're bilateral, so it affected both sides. Wow.
Jared: Okay. So then, I mean, at this [00:11:00] point it's touch and go in terms of whether or not you're either going, you're even gonna be here.
Um, so what happened after that? Clearly here you are, so you survived it, but what was the process like after that?
Emma: Um, so I, I was in, they ended up having to put. And to a medically induced coma to stop me from having so many seizures. And then, um, a couple days later, yeah, and then
Kathy: she was on life support.
This is why we were in, um, still here in Nevada. She was put on life support in a coma. Um, They said she was in, you know, grave danger. So they decided to do a brain surgery to try to remove the clot. So, um, they did a surgery, they got some of the clot, and then they took her off the, uh, the medicine to um, wake her up, but she didn't wake up.
Um, and that was, you know, that was just horrific. Her father and I were, um, you know, they prepared us for her to wake up [00:12:00] and for us to tell her, you know, reassure her. And so we're waiting for that. And, and she didn't wake up. They ended up doing a second surgery here in Vegas, um, to get more of the clot.
Um, then her heart rate was, she was developed a fever. Her heart rate was, you know, 180. Um, She was in grave danger. The heads of the hospital met with us and said that they just didn't know what to do. They weren't getting any guidance from anyone and that pretty much if she stayed there, she was going to die
And they wanted to put her case out, um, for any other hospitals in the nation to take it if they felt they could do something and they stressed that they, you know, , they would only take it if they thought they could help. So, you know, we were just praying that someone would take the case because, um, otherwise, you know, we knew what the end was going to be.
And just about six hours later, Loma Linda Hospital in California, uh, took her case and then [00:13:00] she was, uh, transported
Emma: to their hospital. I was life
Kathy: flighted. Yeah, life flighted. and her, my, I couldn't fly with her, um, because of the, the small size of the plane. So yeah, my husband and I drove up, which was terrible.
We left my son with her and we drove on and we actually beat the helicopter there. We didn't know if she would be dead or alive when we got there. Um, thankfully, you know, she was alive and, and they were just, they were a phenomenal facility for.
Jared: So then they were able to figure out a different approach, it sounds like, to, uh, taking care of what was going on, at least in the emergency situation she was in.
Mm-hmm. . And so, um, how long were you in that hospital, Emma?
Emma: I was in the actual hospital for about a month, and then I went to their acute rehab, which is, uh, when you're [00:14:00] considered ready to go to rehab, but you still need a doctor and medication. Mm-hmm. . And so I went to that, uh, about after about a month of being at the hospital, um, I remember them telling, that, uh, they were going to start looking into me transferring to the rehab.
And I was just thinking, I have no idea what in the world I'm going to do at a rehab, because, um, by that point I was able. to, I think, shrug my left shoulder a little, and that was all the movement I had. I couldn't even, uh, and stick out your tongue and stick out my tongue. I couldn't blink my eyes. I couldn't look around the room.
I was just staring at a ceiling all the time. I couldn't move my arms or my legs. I was pretty much paralyzed.
Jared: Wow. And how long, uh, did that last?
Emma: Um, I. I went to, I [00:15:00] stayed at the, um, other rehab for two and a half months. Um, I still haven't gotten completely better, but I have gotten a lot better. Um, the right side started to come along first.
In the beginning it was my left, but then the right side started to really come along and I don't have too many problems with the right side now, but I still have a lot of problems with my left. Like my hand and my leg are still having a lot of trouble.
Jared: And do they believe that that's all because of the strokes, or do they believe that that's partly neurological damage from the vaccine, or do they know
Emma: it's The strokes caused me?
So I went to my neurologist and they showed me, uh, pictures of my brain that I had from an mri. And in those pictures it's like, um, a whole bunch of white, and then there are a whole bunch for [00:16:00] me. There were a whole bunch of big black spots. And they're in my brain, so I'm like, what in the world are these huge black spots?
Like they should not be there. Right, right. And they were huge. And well, like the right side was huge. And there were multiple of them, like everywhere in my brain. . And so my mom and I were talking to the doctor and we were like, Hey, like what is this? Like, is that okay? Should be rewarded. And turns out that the white is like, it, um, signifies, uh, places where pathways are in your brain.
Like, uh, nerves that are showing like where, uh, your, like, where, uh, communication to show where your body should move. And, uh, the black spots were caused by the vaccine that caused my strokes and it makes the, um, pathways just deteriorate, deteriorat deteriorate, and go away. . [00:17:00] So the black spots were places that I used to have communication for my brain to signal to different parts of my body to be like, Hey, you need to move now.
And the reason I was paralyzed is because there were, they just disappeared. I had in order for me. The reason I'm able to move now is because I was able to remake those pathway pathways in different places. That allowed me to be able to move. I have a lot of, uh, , I compensate a lot to be able to get me to move at all.
Mm-hmm. , that's part of why I'm having, uh, trouble now in my therapy is because in the beginning when I first started therapy, it's like, okay, let's see what you can do. And then they've realized I can't do anything. And so, okay, let's get you to the point where you can actually do something, like anything you can do.
And then you get to the point where it's like, okay, we know you can do. Now you have to learn to do it right [00:18:00] instead of just compensating for everything. And so I was just in shock that that can happen to your brain. And it happened in like a week. It takes you like what your brain develops until you're like 25 or something.
Mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm. . Like that's crazy.
Jared: Yeah. It, it is crazy. And of course you don't think about those types of things unless you're kind of forced into it in most cases. Right. So then at. At this PO point, you were at Loma Linda for about a month. You were in a, a, a nearby rehab, I assume for a couple of months after that.
Emma: Yeah. I was in the hospital at Loma Linda for a month, and then, uh, their, their rehab, which was about, uh, like pretty much across street was like five. Oh, okay. So part of the same facility. I was here for two and half months. Yeah. So I was in Lo Melinda for three and a.
Jared: Okay. And then, uh, this after Loma Linda, uh, the process has been basically for you, it sounds [00:19:00] like just really trying to regain mobility, uh, going from a almost fully paralyzed state.
Sorry, go ahead.
Emma: Yeah, it's just therapy. Therapy, therapy. I do therapy. I used to do therapy from, uh, nine to three every week. . Um, since then, my therapy has gotten shortened. Uh, not because I am, like, they thought I was getting better, but because, uh, my insurance is all over the place. So now I go from 10 to three on every weekday.
So Monday through Friday I go, uh, from 10 to three. Okay.
Jared: Every, and you're back home in, in Vegas. Doing all that? Yes.
Emma: I have a, uh, yeah, I go to a place called Ner ReSTOR.
Jared: And so what, what, where are you at in terms of health status at this point and your ability to get around and things like that? What's, what's going on there?
Emma: Um, I'm a lot [00:20:00] better than I was. Um, I am nowhere near where I should be, uh, considering that I had four strokes. I am doing amazing. Yeah. Mm-hmm. . Um, but, uh, I still need help. I have to, if I'm walking, I have to use, um, this big brace on my leg that goes from all the way from my ankle to like my upper thigh.
just to keep it from moving cuz my knee hyperextends, which over time can, uh, really harm the bone and the joint there. And then my ankle inverts and supinate so it rolls. It rolls outwards. So, um, and that would make it really easy for me to break my ankle. And then if I break my ankle, then I have to do rehab to fix my ankle.
And then that just ruins the whole trying to get better thinkers. And you're focused on your ankle instead of the whole thing. It's just a big, huge thing. [00:21:00] And then, um, I have a lot of trouble. I had to relearn how to eat and shower. and even just getting in the car. I can't drive, I can't, I'm able to write now, but in the beginning, writing wasn't even.
I can make lines kind of ,
Jared: but So are there other be, besides the paralysis and the, the weakness and these things that you've described specifically, are there other symptoms that you still deal with? Um, in terms of other, you know, neurological things or anything?
Emma: Um, you know, uh, mostly like all the people at my clinic for brain injuries, um, have problems, uh, cognitively right, or speech, and I was lucky enough.
that, um, at my rehab they have a, uh, picture of a brain and it like labels all the different parts of the brain and what they do. And I [00:22:00] think I had, um, looking at the picture, I think I had, um, four places of the six that were affected and the only two that weren't affected were the ones that affect your ability to, uh, talk and your memories interest.
and so yeah, so I was pretty lucky on that front. I mean, it could have been a lot worse than it was, and I was, I am able to, kind of regain things over time. I mean, I shouldn't have to do it right? And so it's just terrible that I have to, but I'm lucky that God is helping me get better, at least. Okay.
Jared: So let me ask you this then.
Uh, in the early going of course there was no, you know, over the Easter weekend and everything, there was no support really of any kind or no answers of any kind. Um, and then you said that you did, uh, fill out. V Safe, you know, report and got a, did you [00:23:00] say it was a month later that you heard back Catherine?
Kathy: Yes, it was. And it was actually the pause of the vaccine. And that was due to her case?
Emma: Um, yeah, I got, I caused the
Kathy: pause, you, mm-hmm. , there were six cases. Similar, uh, to Emma's. One woman I believe died and it was on the news and they actually paused the vaccine for two weeks while they investigated this and then they reinstated it saying that these were very rare cases and they said the
Emma: benefit outweigh outweighed the risk.
Mm-hmm. .
Kathy: And then at that point, when they reinstated it, because we were in the media, we had the media camping outside the hospital. Um, it was, it was just crazy. Um, and my husband and I, we just had our pastors talk to them. We, you know, we were just focused on Emma and, and so it was in the news and Good Morning America, and, and, and all.
Once they paused the vaccine and brought it back, the news shut down. They were not talking about it anymore. It was [00:24:00] just crazy. It was like, there was just six cases of something and that was it. Now everything's good, and no one talked bad about the vaccine anymore. Um, they would do interviews with Emma.
But we found that they would do an interview with her and it would get edited down so much, and then following her, they would talk to somebody from Johnson and Johnson or the C d C saying, you know, how, what good the vaccine is and it who just quit , you know, we just
Jared: quit. At that point, you, you quit trying to get the
Kathy: Yeah.
You quit trying to get the word out. Cause they weren't listening to us. They were just using bits and pieces to just push forth their own agenda. ,
Jared: have you had any contact with any government agencies, uh, since then having to deal with this injury at all? No,
Kathy: I mean, I filed the, the reports, I filed a BAR'S report and I, um, I actually, you could, you know, I did it over the phone and then I [00:25:00] also.
Emailed the questionnaire and I faxed it and it's, I know it's ridiculous what I did, but I printed out full page pictures of Emma while she was in the hospital and on life support and going through therapy, and I interspersed it with all the pages of their report because I wanted somebody to see the pictures of her.
I just wanted somebody to see them, whether it's a person just taking the fax off the machine, opening the email. I wanted someone to see it. Yeah. So I, I reported it, you know, I did everything I could. I've. . Um, we did have an attorney at the very beginning because he thought that the pause of the vaccine would signify that there was something wrong and you would be able to sue.
But he dropped the case when he realized that, you know, there is this no piercing that, um, safety that they have. Um,
Emma: There's a law that says, um, if, uh, if a vaccine was given during a worldwide pandemic, [00:26:00] then you can't super pain and suffering. But if I were to have gotten this sick for something as simple as a flu shot, I would've been able to super pain and suffering, and now I'm not able to get any sort of vaccine at all whatsoever.
I can't even get a flu shot anymore. Yeah, she can't
Kathy: get anything and that's just opens so many problems. I mean, when she has children, You know, can her, you know, just all these problems and, and decisions that we never wanted to have to make sure, um, you know,
Jared: yeah. It's a, to make, it's a life-changing event and, and it.
Kathy: Of our, of our lives. Yeah. Two weeks before this happened, um, before she got the vaccine, she was, she had taken her senior pictures. We had just finalized, um, making the arrangements for a trip to Hawaii. She and I were gonna do a mother-daughter, uh, trip to Hawaii, um, to go celebrate her graduation. And I remember when we were in rehab, um, one day she remembered that and she said, I was still gonna go to Hawaii.[00:27:00]
And, you know, I'm like, well, no, and we're still going to go to Hawaii, you know, some way, somehow we are going to get there. Good. Um, we've had to, when we, we lived in a two-story home. When this happened, and it was almost paid for, but all the bedrooms were upstairs when we brought Emma back home, you know, it just was not going to work for her.
So we rented a home, a couple houses down. It was still two stories, but it had a master downstairs. And so we did that for, uh, a few months and now we've bought a house. That's one story. It's a beautiful home. I'm 57 and it's time for me to retire, and now I have a huge mortgage again. Um, and, you know, there's no compensation.
The, the little bit of the C I C P program that they have for the, uh, vaccine injured is just, is just. Sorry, I cannot [00:28:00] imagine who put that together and, and them standing by it. Um, it does not offer pain and suffering. As Emma, Emma said. Um, it will only reimburse you if it reimburses you. It'll only covered reimbursed for non-covered medical expenses.
Um, our insurance has been pretty good, which is, you know, that's a a god thing. Yeah, right there. But there are so many more. And things that we are having to face that don't even fall into that. We had to buy a wheelchair van. Um, it we're putting 20,000 miles on that a year. It's a, it's, it's old, has almost 200,000 miles and it's in the shop.
Um, you know, every month,
Emma: every time it goes into the shop, it costs thousands of dollars cuz there's always something else wrong with
Kathy: it. Yeah. And we're not in the gas for that. We're not gonna get compensated for any of that. Are continually buying new braces, new gadgets, um, for her, and none of that's covered.
[00:29:00] Um, who is going to cover her medical expenses as she gets older? You know, when I die, that, that is our biggest fear, my husband and I, that just keeps us awake at night as to, you know, who's going to take care of her, who's going to make sure she has the, the medical support that she needs. Um, you know, There's no, there's no pool of money.
You know, Johnson and Johnson, all the vaccine manufacturers are reaping huge profits, huge profits off of something. And if you're gonna make a, a blind coverage of them, you know, they're, you're just saying, you know, you can't get liability insurance, so we'll make sure that, you know, you can't be sued.
Well, they should still be held accountable. and if there is a problem, they should try to research it and find out why and not just sit back and count the money. Right. Um, while we are just, you know, getting further and further in debt, which I'm fine with and I'm fine working till the day I die because I have Emma [00:30:00] and that's all that I.
I want, you know, I have everything I need and God's gonna take care of us, but it just isn't right, because there are just thousands more families like us, um, facing this.
Jared: And that's the thing, right? I mean, it's, it's what I hope happens with, you know, this show and some of the documentaries that have come out.
um, uh, you know, on this topic of vaccine injury is that people that haven't been personally touched by it, uh, you know, I don't have any, any, uh, you know, very close family or friends that have experienced injury from this. I've met some amazing people who have become my friends, you know, after the fact.
But, uh, I've not experienced it, but I, what I hope is that people like me who have not seen it firsthand or experienced it within their family or experienced it themselves, will recognize. Story after story, after story, after story, after story is reported on, on podcasts like this and, and, um, you know, uh, documentaries like Safe and Effective and, [00:31:00] uh, anecdotals and so on, that it will be as obvious to me and apparent to me as it is or to them as it is to me, that this isn't rare and that safe and effective doesn't mean what they told us.
It.
Kathy: No. No. And they don't care. You know, they can set up all these safe protocols and tell you they have all these protocols in place and you know, if you have a reaction, we'll be there for you. But, you know, now we know that's not the case.
Jared: Oh my word. This show is, um, such a challenging one to do for everybody involved.
People that listen. , it's challenging people that the, the person that hosts it , it's challenging the, the, the people like you that are living it. Incredibly challenging. It's, it's such a difficult thing because of the, you know, the heaviness of the subject matter and the fact that we're talking about real lives.
And in this case, I mean, Emma, you're 20, my oldest is 25. I've got a 22 year old. I've got a [00:32:00] 13 year old and a 10 year old. Um, you're still a kid, right? Yeah. Yes. And, um, it's, it makes it even more challenging, uh, when it happens to someone at, you know, 18 or 15 or, heck. I think almost half the interviews I've done have been people under the age of 22, um, with this.
Mm-hmm. , this podcast. And so here's the, there's a couple more questions I want to ask you cuz I, I, I ask these to pretty much everybody, but I, I really feel like these answers matter a lot. Why you said you kind of gave up on media for a. Uh, because clearly mass media, local media and stuff like that was es essentially discarding the story and minimizing it, right?
That's what it sounds like. Um, mm-hmm. . But now here you are talking to me. Uh, why did you decide to do this podcast? Why are you still telling your story?
Emma: Um, well, for a really long time, , uh, I kept [00:33:00] trying to, uh, do interviews and things because people were still able to get the shot and some people might not know mm-hmm.
that something like this could happen to them. So I kept trying to do interviews and, uh, newspaper things to get my story out there so I could warn people. But, uh, a big part of the problem was that with, like, I'm on, I've been on the news a lot. locally. And uh, after, like the first time I was on the news, they just seemed to be like, um, like this is what happened to her.
But she's fine now. It will happen to you. It's so rare it will happen. It's one in a million. It's never gonna be you and you think, oh, it's 100 million. But when you're the one, it's a really big. and um, they would have me go on and say like, Hey, this is what happened to me. And then have some [00:34:00] doctor come on right after me and the interview would be like, I don't know, like an hour long.
And they would put me on TV for two minutes. And then have a doctor on right after me for like five minutes saying It won't happen to you. It's safe. This is what happens. We've gone through things and we figured it out. And if it does happen to you, don't worry because uh, people will help you. And that's not what happened.
They'll
Kathy: help people who had the back. Vaccine who got covid. You know, there's support for people that had covid but not support for people who got injured by the vaccine
Jared: of Covid. Right. Yeah. And that's, that's a really, really big deal and an important point and I, I'm glad that you brought that up. It's that if you get sick by just about any possible means that you could get sick in this country, there's generally.
Somewhere for you, right? Whether it's cancer or heart disease or covid or any number of other things. But if you get injured by a product [00:35:00] made by these vaccine manufacturers, it's. , you know, crickets, right? You can't get anybody to help you mm-hmm. or do anything or say anything. In fact, it's even worse.
Again, the reason we decided to call this podcast dearly discarded is that that's what ends up happening, uh, to a very large degree. Mm-hmm. is, let's just look. We're gonna ignore that you even
Kathy: were, you know, listening and, and as they were reaching out and then we realized, you know, it's, it's, that's not what's happening.
They're just turning our story to their own agenda. Yeah. It's um, and
Jared: then the opposite of help drop. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. All right. And, and Kathy, I'm curious, why do you feel like the story needs to be.
Kathy: Well, , um, because I, I, so many people have approached me since this happened, so I I know it is not rare.
I know it is real. And it's, it's not one in a million, is it? It is not one in a million. It is. So, and Johnson and Johnson, even that vaccine, they paused the vaccine, then they reinstated it, [00:36:00] and then about six months later, they looked at it again and they put another warning. Um, for this and just in December, they said that if you have any chance to get any vaccine besides Johnson and Johnson, do it, don't do the Johnson and Johnson.
But if that's the only one you can get, you know, go ahead and if you cannot get it, if you are under 18. So they are, I talked to the attorney and he said that that's because they, if they actually pull it, that will open them up for. So they know this vaccine is specifically horrendous to people and causing, you know, it's changing everyone's lives, ruining their lives, taking lives, and they continue to have it out there to protect themselves.
Jared: Yeah. And, and yet unfortunately, uh, you know, Johnson and Johnson is by far the least, uh, given, uh, administered, I guess is the [00:37:00] right word of the vaccines here in here in America Rights, because there were, mm-hmm. Yeah. There was so much Cause for pause, there was cause for mm-hmm. , uh, age concerns and things like that.
And so because of that, I don't talk to a lot of people who have been injured by Johnson Johnson, cuz there's so few people that had it by comparison. Mm-hmm. , most of the people I talk to are Pfizer, and then it's Moderna and then it's, but the, the thing that I think is really important to stress, if you're listening to this show and you haven't listened to any of the other episodes of, of this podcast for you listening to the show right now.
Don't make the mistake of thinking that there's only one of these vaccines that causes these issues. Every single one of these is creating all types of problems. And, and Emma, you nailed it on the head and, and you remind me my very first interview that I did, I don't know if, if either of you have watched this, was with a, a young man, Andre Cherry.
if you haven't watched his interview, if you haven't, if you haven't watched his interview on Rumble, don't listen to it. Watch it. You need to, you need to see it. Um, because [00:38:00] you can, his symptoms are very exhibit, uh, and very obvious to the, to the eye, but, . I asked him, why are you doing this? Why are you doing this interview?
And at that time, I was even more curious than I am now because it was the very first one of these interviews I'd ever done. He's 22 years old and he's, um, he's wheelchair bound. He's, he's in, uh, real bad shape and I can't remember, to be honest with you, I think his was Pfizer, but I can't remember, but it doesn't really matter.
And he said, because if, if my story can prevent one person from making the mistake, I. , then it's worth me talking about it. And you know, it's essentially what you said because they are still pushing these things, they're still pushing boosters and things like that. And, and I, I really appreciate it because I can't imagine, I can't put myself into your shoes at all.
I can't even come close, but I anticipate that it's tempting to. Take care of yourself and take care of your family and not do this kind of stuff. You know, [00:39:00] interviews and podcasts and advocacy and all these kind of things. So anybody in your position that is willing to open your mouth and tell your story and share it.
I do believe you're making an impact on other people's lives and, and I wanna thank you personally for being willing to do that. Thank you. Yeah, we hope so. I, I believe you are. I really do. And I can tell you that you are because, do you wanna hear something really? Yes, I think it's really cool. I was talking to, uh, well, not talking to, it was a, it was a, uh, Facebook interaction, I think might have been Instagram.
But anyway, a social media thing, stranger I'd never met before, who, uh, listened to this show and was, um, ha, has been vaccinated, uh, early on, uh, and, but was not injured and was getting a lot of pressure from somebody, I think it was family members to get, uh, the boosters. , he said, you know what? And he, you know, typed this out, but he said, Jared, thank you for dearly discarded podcast, because it [00:40:00] gave me the courage and the knowledge and information to know that maybe it's, I've done enough and I don't need to go any further.
Right? And so you are making a dent and it is a one person at a time, kind of a situation. But, uh, it's, it's a really, really vital thing. 10 minutes before I got, Air with you. I was talking to someone who's got a 15 year old who is dealing with vaccine injury as well. Um, and uh, it's, it's not rare. It's not one in a million.
It is censored. It is blocked. It is hidden. And we need people like you who are the ones that shouldn't have to ad advocate, uh, for this to. Share your story. So again, thank you so much. Is there Well, thank you Jean for, for doing this. Absolutely. I'm, I'm more than happy to. This is, uh, you know, this shows a labor of love for sure, because I'll be honest with you, it's not the most fun thing I [00:41:00] do every day,
But, but it is nice that I get to meet some amazing people like yourselves. I'm gonna ask you one other question that I think is pretty, actually two other questions, then I'm gonna let you go. One is, are you doing anything? That you have found besides therapy, besides actual physical therapy, have you found any other answers that, uh, have seemed to have helped you, that you'd like to share with anybody else who might be struggling?
Um,
Emma: I think just, uh, believing in God and knowing that there's something, that there's meaning for all of this, and that there's someone who ultimately can help me and will help me because you really have no idea. . If you don't try, you don't get better. And sometimes it's just so hard to try. You don't want to.
And so you have to find the courage to try. And so, uh, God really helped me. Uh, we're trying to, um, [00:42:00] put in the effort to get better and there are a lot of people at my therapy, at my rehab who are having a lot of trouble with, uh, putting in the effort to stay better, and a lot of them don't believe in God, so.
Mm-hmm. ,
Jared: he's always So, your faith. That's funny. Uh, well, not funny and probably not coincidental either, but I asked that same question of Andre and he said very much the same thing. Um, that, that the faith makes a, a very, very big difference. Um, and what's your, how do you feel about your recovery? Do you feel like you're gonna get all the way back?
What, what, what's your level of, of hope and belief there?
Emma: Um, in the beginning it was pretty much not there. Um, I would just cry like every other night. I'd just cry if she had to deal with me. . Um, she was
Kathy: tough.
Jared: I'm sure she was crying with
Emma: you. Yeah, she was. It was sad. Um, but, um, [00:43:00] going. That's part of the reason.
Anyone who goes through something like this, you have to make sure that they will try. If you don't put in the effort, you're not gonna get anything out of it. And um, when I first started, Um, I, in school I really liked to get A's and stuff just because it made me feel like I was getting something out of it and I was working really hard and I was being recognized and, um, and therapy is kind of the same thing.
And as, uh, they're further along, you get the harder it is to really, uh, notice those little changes. Because in the beginning it's like, oh my gosh, I can move my arm. Mm-hmm. , like, I can do that. All of myself. I can lift my head up. Now I'm not stuck in one position. Mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm. . And now it's like, oh my gosh, I can pick this pen up.
Or I can draw a line without [00:44:00] my fingers shaking and going the opposite direction. It's just really hard for you to be able to, um, figure out the little things. And so, um, . Just keep trying.
Jared: Well, I know your attitude of, of faith and gratitude to God that you are still here, even though your version of here isn't what it was a couple of years ago.
Mm-hmm. . Um, I, I, I believe it matters very, very much and I agree with you completely. Is there anything else that you'd like to share with the audience before we let you go?
Kathy: We'd like to thank everybody. Yes. Yeah. We've had so much support from people and, you know, prayers, um, are GoFundMe and, and, uh, people just reaching out, offering to help, you know, just even coming to the home and, and helping with therapy, you know, people are just volunteering of their time.
to help us. And you know, it's just, it's hard being on the receiving side of that because, um, my husband and I [00:45:00] have been big supporters of other people in this situation, and all of a sudden you find yourself in that situation and it's, it's, it's hard. But, um, it, it's humbling and we are just so thankful.
So thankful for every.
Jared: And if you, if you'd like to share your, uh, GoFundMe, uh, we can, uh, we can, uh, link to that in the uh, okay. Yes. We would show as well. So yeah, I'd be happy to do that. And I will say this, um, the, the biggest thing that I think someone listening to this show can do is share it. Yeah.
That's main the message out. Um, , Emma and Kathy, you're not talking to me, right? I already know what's going on with all this stuff. I've heard these stories, I've heard way too many of these stories. And, um, and so if you're hearing this story and if it's touching you, please share the story. Get the word out.
Um, don't be silent. Um, the, the, the good people in New Zealand who I just interviewed a few weeks ago, uh, who did the [00:46:00] documentary down there called, uh, silent No More. Yes, Uhhuh. Are you familiar with that one by. . Yeah. Um, you know, it's just, it, the community of people that are injured or l have injured loved ones or have lost loved ones, uh, due to this rollout of these experimental, uh, vaccines is, it's an amazing community.
These are people who not only need your support, but they deserve your support. And it's clear to me that Emma and Kathy and, uh, the rest of your family. You're certainly worthy of it as well. So we'll save, we'll save your, or sorry, share your GoFundMe, uh, in the description of the podcast. And, uh, when you're, uh, clicking through there and looking at that, please also share this podcast with anybody that you feel needs to hear this message.
And I'll give you a little. Teaser here on that. Everybody needs to hear this message, so share it. Okay, Emma, Kathy, thank you so much. I appreciate you. If, uh, [00:47:00] if there are any updates or anything that you'd like to share with our listeners, uh, let me know and we can, uh, schedule another little show to, uh, celebrate some things and, uh, in the meantime, keep the faith and keep doing what you're doing.
It looks like you're going in the right direction.
Emma: Okay, thank you so much. Thank you.