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Seth Baumgartner and Jason Van Leuven open the mics for your crop steering and cultivation questions.
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OH TX 72
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[00:00:00] Kaisha: welcome to office hours, your source for free cannabis cultivation education. I'm Kaisha, one of your co moderators and apparently the only person on the broadcast. That's not in Poland right now, Mandy, what's going on.
[00:00:12] Mandy: Yeah, that's right. I'm in Coleman and the slightly different studio than Jason and Seth right now. But Hey, Kaisha.
[00:00:17] Mandy: Hey, everyone. Yeah, it's so good to see you guys. It's so good to be here for episode 72. We're also going live around YouTube. So if you're logging on over there, make sure you send us your questions and I'll make sure I get those to the team. If you're active on [00:00:30] social media. You sure. You're following us on all the platforms. So we're on Instagram.
[00:00:34] Mandy: Tick tock, YouTube, LinkedIn, and social club. Don't forget. There's still time to nominate a Royal office hours at the MGAs for. MJ biz con this year. We'll share the link on our Instagram page. After this, please nominate us for cannabis podcast of the year. It would make our days, oh my gosh. All right, you guys let's do this. We got a ton of your crops during questions in this week. So I'm going to throw it back over to you, Kaisha.
[00:00:57] Kaisha: Thank you so much. Mandy, Seth and Jason, how you guys doing over there? Oh, [00:01:00] wow. Yeah, ready to get the party started. Let's do it. We got a lot of questions I'm going to start with when we got a while back, Angus wrote us in with a multi-part question. That seems like a good one to start with. So he wrote what's up a Roya Angus healed from the great white north. I have a couple of questions for you guys at the beginning of the flower stage.
[00:01:19] Kaisha: When you want a steer generative, if you get to your irrigation window, two hours after lights on. But haven't got your water content down to around 35% MC [00:01:30] I send you needs moisture content. Let's say, would you shift your irrigation window and apply a P two if needed later on or just start P
[00:01:38] Seth: ones?
[00:01:41] Jason: I mean, usually your transpiration rate in the amount of dry back that you're going to see in a fixed dry back window. Is going to be dependent on how fast your plants are growing and the size of media that you have. And, or if you didn't hit field capacity the day before. So yeah, that one to two hours after lights on is [00:02:00] typically when I like to irrigate.
[00:02:01] Jason: The most part, regardless of my strategy, that's what I like to gain irrigations. If you're generative, typically we've tried not to do any If we can avoid it. It sounds like maybe you've got the opposite problem where you're just not hitting the transpiration rates. And then drive back that you want at that point. You know, as those plants are getting bigger in the early stage of flower, sometimes that's going to happen and you're just going to try and keep pushing generative the best you can.
[00:02:24] Jason: And the transpiration rate is going to get a little bit more, a little bit more, a little bit more until it starts to level off. [00:02:30] So, yeah, that could be one case. And or if you're just in three largest substrate or your plants weren't quite ready to be in the flower. All the reasons that you're not seeing a big as big of dried back as you would expect that.
[00:02:41] Jason: Always the plant life cycle.
[00:02:42] Seth: Yeah, no. I know in the past, we've talked about this a bit, but we'll kind of jump into it again, that. That dry bag number is actually a very dynamic number. Pretty specific to the type of media you're using. You're growing environment and the size of plant compared to your pot.
[00:02:57] Seth: So, if you were in, let's say coco [00:03:00] versus rockwool, depending on the brand and the mix of a Hoskin pep. We might see a 45%. EWC field capacity. We might see a 65%. So that's going to depend. And the reality is if our plant and pot size ratio is really good, we want to see at least a 10 to 15% grab back.
[00:03:18] Seth: So even if you're trying to push, let's say 25. As long as you're hitting 10 to 15, that tells us we've got enough oxygen infiltration to the root zone that we're not going to go anaerobic. And that it's good. [00:03:30] So, I mean really, without knowing what your field capacity is, it's hard to say, but typically as long as you can hit that 10 to 15%.
[00:03:37] Seth: We wouldn't want to hold off on irrigation would still want to keep it in that same window. Two hours after lights on. And bring it back up to field capacity. If you. Aren't getting that dry back, start looking at, you know, your whole environment. It might not just be that plant pot size. We've certainly seen situations where people are in a one gallon pot, even with a four foot tall plant. And they're [00:04:00] not even, you know, they're getting maybe a 10% right back.
[00:04:02] Seth: Okay. Well, we know the plant, the pot size is pretty good. What else is going on in the environment? You know, there's, there can be a lot of factors. We'd be running to human. We're not going to see the same kind of transpiration rate. If you're too dry, we're not going to see the same kind of transpiration rate if everything else lines up. But.
[00:04:19] Seth: At the end of the day, your lights are only putting out 550 PPFD let's say we're not going to see that transpiration. Right. So there's a lot of factors that go into that dry bag. And it's just important to look at [00:04:30] the whole problem and wholly equation and figure out. Where you might be lacking in your specific environment.
[00:04:35] Seth: Like I said, really. Really going back to it's about having a minimum healthy, dry bag and not necessarily copying. Every tech you see on say taking it from 60 to 35 or 55 to 35. It's very situationally specific.
[00:04:53] Kaisha: I mean, amazing. Thank you guys so much for dropping that knowledge. I have another question from Angus, but we we prioritize the live [00:05:00] questions. First. Josh posted something here in the chat. Josh, I'm going to read it, but you're also welcome to unmute yourself and speak to it. He wrote what's up. What's up guys. Thanks as always for all the knowledge thoughts on under canopy lighting versus side canopy lighting versus neither.
[00:05:15] Kaisha: Let's start there. Josh, anything you want to add to that?
[00:05:22] Kaisha: Maybe not. So,
[00:05:24] Seth: yeah. You know, couple things have been one. The obvious is that plants. Are going to be [00:05:30] a better photosynthesis when the photons are hitting the B surface on top. And that's where their receptors are located at. And so when. You know, we are adding under canopy light. I always figure, Hey, the best that we can do is just have at least as much more yield as adding that much more light would be. And so typically, you know, sure. We can get a little bit better density on the.
[00:05:53] Seth: The lower loneliness. We get a little bit better life penetration of the canopy. That being said you know, the [00:06:00] photons are hitting the bottom of the leaf surface. Some of that's not going to be as efficient as if we had really good life penetration from above.
[00:06:07] Seth: Yeah. I mean, I think the key there is realizing what kind of effect you're looking for.
[00:06:11] Seth: There are some underlying companies coming out that. I think don't promise anything over the top. Really, what we're seeing in application is a lot of people, not a lot, a select few people starting to utilize under canopy lighting in situations where they're looking to improve. That ratio of, you know, good quality [00:06:30] Jarbell AICPA.
[00:06:30] Seth: Bud to be button. So what we're seeing is, you know, the best success with those doesn't come from boosting your yield so much. It's just increasing light deeper in the canopy specifically. In led rooms is kind of where we're seeing some of the best results in this, where we don't get as good, a light penetration.
[00:06:46] Seth: And that's helping growers, you know, Finish their plant completely, rather than having a third of the plant that actually has purple buds. And then another two thirds that are still green. So just like Jason said, you know, it's. The real [00:07:00] thing is balancing, like, okay. Number one. Data's showing that we're not going to see huge yield increases from this.
[00:07:07] Seth: Number two, what is our market position? Is it worth it to go put these lights in and then number three, looking around and probably if I was considering making that purchase and I talked to some of these companies and see if you can talk to. Anyone that's currently running them. So that you can get a realistic idea and say, okay, what is, what is this going to do for me? This, these dollars that I'm putting into this project.
[00:07:28] Seth: It's kind of a new. New [00:07:30] technique we're seeing out there. So. There's a lot of new data coming in. It's really interesting, but like, like with anything, all depends on your specific business situation. And if that's a good investment for you.
[00:07:40] Jason: Yeah. Sorry, judge. We did kind of just generalize under canopy.
[00:07:44] Jason: I was thinking, man, you're crushing specifically site lighting versus from bottom lighting under canopy and Sidelining might be slightly more efficient just because we're going to have a little bit. But her surface area that sits capturing those photons on the top of the leaf. Then, if it's directly. [00:08:00]
[00:08:00] Jason: So, yeah. Science would suggest that you're probably better, better poised to be in the side lighting. Bottom lighting.
[00:08:07] Seth: Yeah. Part of the way I'd look at it as if you're going to get involved with that, you know, the. The standard SOP for how to use. Under an inner canopy lighting. Is still being developed. So we were seeing people that are experimenting with different Heights with their under canopy lighting, either, you know, down completely below or getting more into inter canopy lighting. With some of the low water jelly DS, just trying to get a better light [00:08:30] spectrum down in there. So. Really it's a, it's an area with no guaranteed results yet. But if you can afford it and you really like playing around with experimenting with plant science. I'd say it's, it's an interesting rabbit hole to go down, but again,
[00:08:46] Seth: If you're. In a situation where you don't have the extra cash, it might not be the most cost effective way to approach your situation.
[00:08:55] Jason: You know, anytime that we're making changes within the canopy or how that plant's [00:09:00] physiology is reacting to. Environment. And I've made sure that we are taking leasers temperatures and got appropriate air flow in there to accommodate for any increased transpiration rates, lower on the plant. So do keep in mind that, you know, making that change.
[00:09:13] Jason: Yeah. May not just be an a to B comparison. You might have to upgrade some of the other. Capacities in the room as well.
[00:09:19] Seth: Absolutely. That's a good point. We're looking at the top percent, maybe. 2% of getting performance out of your crop. If you're already struggling with the humidification getting appropriate, PPFD in the [00:09:30] first place.
[00:09:30] Seth: There might be other investments you want to make. Before investing, like I said, in that top couple percent of quality.
[00:09:40] Kaisha: Thank you guys for that overview. Yeah, it's been, I've been seeing a lot more conversation around this. On social media as well, actually, bill bell has posted a question since we're on this topic. He wrote, can you speak to inter canopy lighting that is deployed in commercial ag? Everything else we can say there.
[00:09:57] Seth: Yeah. I mean, they use low wattage LEDs with usually kind [00:10:00] of more of a Farhad spectrum that's felt and push a little bit about ripening later on. That we're seeing typically the ones that I've seen are not very high wattage lights, so we're not actually pumping that much energy into the under canopy.
[00:10:12] Seth: It's more about exposing those buds to that spectrum of light that they need to see to help them ripen up. So in terms of commercial ag, we, we see them a little bit, but. This is another one of those areas where cannabis is largely pushing development, because if [00:10:30] under or inter canopy light gets us somewhere with cannabis, it's going to be worth it.
[00:10:33] Seth: More worth it on a square footage basis than let's say tomatoes. So we haven't really seen an tomatoes or a whole different crop, or can it be lighting can do a lot more with them, but typically there's a lot of logistics that go into managing how that's going to work. So we haven't seen massive adoption yet because it is kind of an expensive technology, not just to buy necessarily, but to implement.
[00:10:56] Seth: If any one of the cultivators out there can imagine, like, [00:11:00] Putting all your plants in and then setting up an additional lighting system under your canopy. Managing the height of that, and then dealing with it during routine plant. And then. You know, it's another thing to think about. If suddenly you have a step where defoliation and setting those now takes twice as long at three weeks.
[00:11:17] Seth: Maybe that's something you want to consider.
[00:11:20] Jason: But we can always go back to something. So the, the cheap improvements you know, light colored walls, like colored trays, like alert to. Poxy flooring. Those are all going to be [00:11:30] just kind of like your first step at getting more light under canopy as you reflect off of it. So and also keep in mind that, Hey, there's some
[00:11:38] Jason: Jerry rigging back in the back in the days that you know, we're, we're advanced technology, but are definitely helpful.
[00:11:46] Kaisha: Well, one thing's for certain is cultivators or an innovative vibes. So cool. To have this conversation growing and looking forward to talking about it more as we go on I'm going to send it over to Mandy. Cause we got a lot happening on YouTube. We're going to alternate here so already in anti.
[00:11:59] Mandy: Thanks [00:12:00] Kaisha. Oh my gosh. I did not know that lighter walls can help you guys with a lighting. That's amazing. Yeah, we had a question from poppy grows. That's a proper IPM regiment to follow for someone who's new to integrated pest management.
[00:12:15] Jason: Preventative one.
[00:12:18] Seth: Yeah. I mean that all really starts with good SLPs, making sure you're not bringing unwanted PEs into your environment. Start out with a clean slate. That being said, depending on where you're at in your growing [00:12:30] journey, you might already have some bugs. Like some mites. So basically we're looking at, you know, some basic IPM principles, number one, you're going to want to pick something.
[00:12:39] Seth: There's a whole variety of pesticides out there. Whether you want to use something by reefer and base horticultural oil based. There's, there's a wide range. But typically one of the best approaches I've seen is two. Clean everything very well. Don't bring soil in from outside of your growth. So if you go get clones.
[00:12:57] Seth: I mean, if you're buying teens, Well, that's [00:13:00] something, but if you are, if you do by teens, maybe your best bet is to quarantine those and clone them before you ever bring them into your bedroom production environment. Great. And then, you know, my go to is usually a pretty heavy knockdown spray, right? When I move everything in, because I just took them through the hallway or whatever other environment out of my hopefully clean bedroom.
[00:13:20] Seth: And then we're going to follow it up with another two to three knockdown sprays, usually a little lighter mixing up our mode of action. And then I prefer to use biologics, so [00:13:30] beneficial bugs that like to eat the other bug. Bugs. After about two weeks into flower, once I get some bud formation going, because I really don't want to be spraying my buds with anything that's going to affect quality, potency or flavor. And.
[00:13:43] Seth: You know, I know there's products out there. We don't have to name any here, but usually the horticultural oil. Band it's, it's pretty unregulated. You know, there's a lot you can spray on later and flower, however, I don't know about you, Jason. I don't think I want to spray cotton seed or clove oil.
[00:13:58] Seth: Or peppermint oil on my buds. [00:14:00] Very long before I go to harvest them. Even if that isn't going to necessarily fundamentally change it, or if I do a good job, it's. Prevention is always way better than having to run into a compromise. And to me. You know, I've never really pulled it apart, but I imagined.
[00:14:16] Seth: There's still going to be some traces of peppermint oil, for instance, on my finished, but which is something I don't want, even if that's not necessarily gonna fail a health and safety test.
[00:14:26] Seth: It really just never want to spray anything on your buds. And a big part of that [00:14:30] too is later in flower, you know, we talk a lot on here about vitritis powdery mildew. It's hard to spray away something that thrives on wet plant matter. So the cleaner, you can keep everything from day one. The better time you're going to have going later and later into flower. And then remember some simple SOP is like,
[00:14:49] Seth: When you get low. Let's just build this down to a microcosm. Harold. So you have two flower rooms, a bedroom and a clone room or tent. Your procedure for the day should be to get there. Check your [00:15:00] clowns, check your Vedge. Check your youngest flower room, and then check your older, never go backwards in your cycle.
[00:15:05] Seth: And risk moving bugs back. And the plant's life cycle. And,
[00:15:10] Jason: That was a really great overdue. I kind of was kind of short one of the, one of the things I think a lot of times it's overlooked as well. It's just. So plant health. So you know what. As a preventative measure, if we can have the healthiest plants as possible, that's definitely going to give us a huge advantage as far as trying to eradicate them.
[00:15:28] Jason: Are there down the road. [00:15:30] So thinking about, you know, silica additives really good environments, as far as humidity temperatures, light levels and airflow, especially are going to help with that.
[00:15:40] Seth: Yeah. I mean that, that's a good point, too. Jason healthy plants have less pests have less diseases.
[00:15:45] Seth: It turns out cannabis or cannabis is. Yeah, it builds these wonderful track gums with these interesting turpines and oils and a big function of that is a. Those seeds are nice and safe in there from bugs. It's pretty hard to crawl in and get them once the plant's healthy. So that is [00:16:00] definitely step one.
[00:16:01] Seth: I'll just say it again. Stay clean. The more clean you can stay the better time you're going to have. That's. If you're wondering how some people will claim that they run no pesticides in a certain facility. Well, They're putting just as much effort on everything that walks into the doors, making sure it's clean as anyone else would put into spraying and remediating pests.
[00:16:22] Seth: Once they have.
[00:16:25] Mandy: Wow. That was so much good advice. Thank y'all for that. Thanks for that [00:16:30] question, Paki. We also had a question from Raymond. It's about pH. When can we see a Royal implement pH monitoring inside ups? Micro medium.
[00:16:41] Jason: Probably not anytime in the real soon future. There are just some technical challenges as far as. Continuously monitoring pH in, in situ. So inside of that substrate you know, I do investigate and I look fairly continuously for new technologies out there that can do this kind of thing.
[00:16:58] Jason: I just have found one. [00:17:00] Personally that, that I'm comfortable leaving in situ and trusting the readings from.
[00:17:05] Seth: Yeah. I mean, a big part of it guys is we're trying to look inside of a pretty narrow pH range. So, you know, Now, you know, Your best bet is always, especially if you're at a commercial facility, go invest two or $3,000 in a good scientific grade.
[00:17:18] Seth: Lab bench, top pH monitor. Yes, you're going to Pete. You're going to calibrate it every day. That you didn't want to use it, but that's, what's going to tell you is actually accurate. And then to Jason's point Over the years, plenty of [00:17:30] probes have come out that claim to be able to measure soil pH.
[00:17:33] Seth: In application, we see not the most accurate results. Now, if you have the ability to go pull samples, And then. Go stick it with your, you know, mobile probe. And try to get some relative readings, but, you know, If we want everything to stay between five, six and 6.1. That's a pretty narrow range for a not very accurate instrument to be able to read. And you want your results to be as accurate as possible.
[00:17:58] Jason: Okay. And, you know, it's [00:18:00] interesting. And a lot of times I see people using pH sensors that are just accurate to the 10th and that's not even necessarily accurate. That's just the resolution of their Brita. I always prefer one that's down to the hundreds. So I know. Hey. Oh, which side of my, is this thing saying that I'm, I'm sliding to when they got.
[00:18:17] Jason: It's slide 6.6. There's it. Slide to 6.4. 6.5 versus, you know, say if it's 6.54, I know. Hey, I'm right, right in the middle here. So usually some of the centers that have that higher. [00:18:30] Resolution actually, it might have a little bit higher accuracy as well. And so, you know, You know, even though we were saying, Hey, it's probably not gonna assume that we have a in-situ reading device.
[00:18:40] Jason: I always encourage people to monitor pH runoff. It should be. At least at the very minimum. A daily practice where you're looking at the pH run off after irrigations or during irrigations. So capture some runoff in some method. If you do have a ability to capture all your runoff, you know, you can have
[00:18:59] Jason: pH sensor that's [00:19:00] left in that system and giving you a real time feedback as well.
[00:19:04] Seth: Yeah. And you know, and another technique I've seen that can be useful, but it's, you really got to monitor how exactly you implemented is using. You know, large, large syringes, basically. 20 or 30 plus CC with a really fat needle tip on it and sucking out of your actual media.
[00:19:20] Seth: Throughout the day. But the important thing to realize is when you just put on, let's say your P wants and you breach field capacity, that water you're pulling out is not going to have the same pH as [00:19:30] the water you would pull out. Right before your pee, once that balance is going to change. And that's part of why we look at runoff as.
[00:19:38] Seth: That's a metric that we can not necessarily predict, but relatively predict and it's steady day to day. So if you were, let's say sending someone in to go pull pH samples. Every day, it better be at the exact same time. In respect to the watering to really try to compare those results. And the same thing goes with your, your runoff collection. You know, if you've got a run off tray out there,
[00:19:58] Seth: And you're. [00:20:00] Your SOP, doesn't say, Hey, you need to go collect that runoff within, let's say 30 minutes to an hour of the end of P. When it should have occurred. We can expect to see. Some pH drift into that duty due to evaporation and raising of the ISI and ionic concentration in that runoff. So that's another part of the puzzle.
[00:20:17] Seth: If you aren't taking those readings at the most accurate time. You may already not have good readings to work with. So. That's really where to start with it is keep it basic, keep it simple, [00:20:30] and then invest in the equipment that is tried and true and gives you accurate results.
[00:20:36] Mandy: Awesome. Thanks for that. Poppy gross had another question. Any tips on revamping a plant that's been harvested already. I left some middles and lowers just any advice. This is my first time. Rebadging.
[00:20:50] Seth: Good luck. Don't don't expect to clone it while you can clone it. But I wouldn't call her for production run for quite a long time. You know, you might actually get two or three [00:21:00] generations into clowns before you see. Resuming of normal. Plant growth habits.
[00:21:07] Mandy: Got it. We have a question from Jay. What's your opinion on far red light supplementation, pre and post lights on.
[00:21:18] Jason: Korean post flights. I don't have any experience exposing them to any kind of like pre and post. A typical photo period.
[00:21:26] Seth: Yeah. I think what we're looking at there typically is more like emulating Dawn [00:21:30] and dusk, right? Like where the sun's not quite peaked out all the way. And we get a little bit more of that red hue.
[00:21:35] Seth: Because the light rays are coming through more of the atmosphere coming in. It's just an angularity problem. I really haven't seen data. Do you support whether or not, you know, Ramping that up or down. Is going to have a big effect. What we have seen though. Is the supplementation of far red later in flower.
[00:21:53] Seth: Tends to simulate the kind of spectrum you're going to see naturally during the fall. Which these plants have spent millions of years [00:22:00] adapting to. So that spectrum change is something we can use to help push plant ripening a little bit. That's part of why we see, you know some differences and let's say HPS and very bright white led volts.
[00:22:12] Jason: Yeah. And, you know, interestingly enough, From some of the sites that I've seen, usually it's, it's less about the balance of the different light spectrums, but just the overall amount that's available. You need spectrum range. And like I was talking about you. Science has proven at this point that our reds are. [00:22:30]
[00:22:30] Jason: You know, producing. A little bit more activity in our clerical bees. And some of our secondary metaboloids like Homes, crypto chromes those types of things, which are usually more related to finishing type of chemicals. So improving our terpene profile, increasing THC.
[00:22:46] Jason: Those type of. Kim illogical responses from the planet.
[00:22:50] Seth: Yeah. Sweet. We know it's important. If you want to experiment that, please, please share some results with me after a few rounds. So if you've noticed any, I mean, my, my guess, if anything, [00:23:00] you would see it'd be similar to running that deeper nighttime dif.
[00:23:04] Seth: Just like Farhad, supplementation, changing your spectrum a little bit. What we're probably trying to push is potency. That being said we're indoors. During your plant's life cycle. If you suddenly went from going 12 on 12 off to now, we're going more like 14 on. 8:00 AM eight off or 14 on 10 off. Sorry.
[00:23:24] Seth: 24 hours in a day. If you're going more towards that, that you might be changing that [00:23:30] photo period effectively because. That far red might actually. I'm going to say, wait the planet, but it's going to start giving something with that light just because we can't see it quite that strongly.
[00:23:41] Jason: Yeah. And if you go the other way,
[00:23:43] Jason: Say shortening up to. In our photo period with your one hour of far red on, on both ends of the of the day of the photo period, just think about what your DLI impact might be as well.
[00:23:55] Seth: Yeah, absolutely. We're not getting as much light energy into it. And for some of those [00:24:00] strains that.
[00:24:01] Seth: We've all seen. If you've grown quite a few, some strains really do fill out in those last two weeks. Ripening some strands bulk up pretty good and are really dense along the way. But. If you're lowering your DLI and you have a strain that typically stays kind of small. Until the late, let's say week six week seven.
[00:24:18] Seth: You might not want to back off on that. You might want to keep driving that plant with full energy so it can actually pack on the way you're looking for.
[00:24:28] Mandy: This is so interesting. Yeah. [00:24:30] Growers, leave us your tips for and your experience with light supplementation. That's super interesting. We're still getting questions over on YouTube mountain scape solution. Mountainscapes solutions wants to know. What are your thoughts on reusing and recycling? Coco?
[00:24:47] Jason: I absolutely loved it. Recycle Coco. You know, you need to take any chance I get I'll use it for some type of garden outdoor as far as, you know, keeping your facility clean, if you do have intentions of recycling, [00:25:00] coco and bringing it into an indoor growth facility or even a. A real clean greenhouse, then you might think about what treatment methods are necessary to make sure you're not bringing any.
[00:25:10] Jason: Pathogens bacterias that are unwanted. Any of the coco that you're getting from most manufacturers these days is going to be baked and fair, very sterile. After we're growing in it. That's not going to be the case necessarily. So. You might definitely want to think about. The cost and or the precautions of of recycling it into [00:25:30] indoor production. But for, for outdoor, absolutely. Pre-charged with nutrients.
[00:25:35] Seth: Yeah. So I guess, I guess what I have to say might differ a little bit. Classic, you know, vegetable production horticulture in general, you do not want to be planning typically even the same genus of plant into the same soil year after year. We're going to see an increase in soil borne disease, especially solo barn disease that is specific to that plant genus. So if you are taking, let's say all of your indoor coco, and you start getting some Pythium [00:26:00] buildup, anything like that in the facility, then you take that to your outdoor cannabis beds.
[00:26:04] Seth: You're just continuing that you've got all these rotten roots in there that all they're doing is harboring that bacteria for a long time. So as far as reusing and recycling goes. All about it, but do it in a way that's responsible for your farm. And it's going to continue to make you money. If you're concerned about like, let's say recycling it within your facility.
[00:26:24] Seth: Get some living beds and some forklifts, and then just swap them out every once in a while, because you're never going to be able to [00:26:30] effectively clean that root mass out. And once you cut the plants, all of that organic matter, that's left from the roots. Is going to Rob because we also have, we don't actually have soil.
[00:26:40] Seth: That Pythium or whatever else is in there, that's going to cause a Turon is pretty much the only biological activity we've got going on. So if you are going to reuse that, basically the move is to take it to a spot where you can safely compost it. Reach your good composting temperatures. So you're essentially pasteurizing your media and then go amend it and use it [00:27:00] outside of the cannabis facility.
[00:27:01] Seth: That's going to be your safest way. To really utilize that. And that's where I think we're going to hopefully see more partnerships between, let's say vegetable producers in. Specifically like California, for instance. And cannabis producers and other places like when you're bringing these media back into the greenhouse, for instance,
[00:27:19] Seth: Like I said, you, you might want to be looking at more of a bulk approach, low input, and have an easy way to go empty that out every once in a while. It's it's, it's a sad [00:27:30] thing that cannabis, isn't more environmentally friendly now, and this is one of the ways we can. Kind of push it forward, but it takes more work than just hosing it down.
[00:27:39] Seth: And repotting it and using it, unfortunately.
[00:27:42] Jason: Yeah. And then I'm glad you actually brought up the, kind of the organic side of that as well, because. I was thinking in my head, I was visualizing composting it and reusing it. I didn't do a very good job explaining that part of things. So obviously.
[00:27:57] Jason: Making sure you get that organic breakdown. In [00:28:00] the way that you are reusing, it would be vital.
[00:28:02] Seth: Yeah. And also, you know, if you really want to do that, really just put in some legwork and look into. Different composters around you, what they can do with it. You know, even though cannabis is kind of outside of a lot of the organic regulation that we see in other things,
[00:28:16] Seth: Your salt, charged coco is not. It's not okay for organic vegetable production. They won't get that certified organic on there because you've got media loaded with artificial salts. So keep all that in mind. And like I said, one of the best might [00:28:30] be finding someone that does do there. There are local compost producers out there.
[00:28:34] Seth: And that's certainly something to explore like, Hey guys, what can we do with this? I don't want it to go to the landfill. And then also, you know, even from there, a lot of landfills are composting facilities too. So you might be able to talk to them and say, Hey, do you have a better option? Can I make sure, instead of bringing this in and contractor bags, we bring it in the dump truck.
[00:28:53] Seth: And put it into your compost.
[00:28:56] Jason: Yeah. And those, those salts are artificial. They're.
[00:28:59] Seth: Synthetic. Yeah, [00:29:00] there we go. They're real. They're not fake.
[00:29:02] Jason: If you've ever tasted. You ever tasted some of your nutrients that mix. You'll know that salts are real.
[00:29:10] Mandy: What are you guys eating when I'm not watching?
[00:29:12] Mandy: These were great notes, super good considerations, but I love how we're actually asking about how we can recycle and reuse parts throughout the process. I think that we're getting some live questions in our chat, so I'm going to pass it back to kaisha for those.
[00:29:24] Kaisha: Thank you so much. Mandy pass. We're covering so many interesting topics on this sheriff. Josh puts in a comment here when we were [00:29:30] talking about under canopy and inner canopy lighting, he wrote great info. We're playing around in R and D and had some manufactured with lots of bread and far red, like you mentioned.
[00:29:39] Kaisha: For inviro and PPFD. We're decently dialed in. So thank you for that. Josh. You've got to keep us posted. I wanted to also get to his next question that he posted here. He writes input ISI target number for HPS versus led. Would you say root zone? Target numbers are fairly similar. One gallon Coco for substrate.
[00:29:59] Kaisha: What do you guys [00:30:00] think?
[00:30:01] Jason: Yeah, so usually just as a. Extremely generalized baseline. Typically be around 3.0 to 3.5 for HPS is in a. Well dialed environment. Or healthy plants. And then a lot of times between three, five and 4 0 4 LEDs, and that's usually pushing on the higher end of what people are to be used to using. But.
[00:30:26] Jason: Sorry. We're a little bit of feedback in here. But it's It's amazing what these plants [00:30:30] can take as far as nutrients and light levels when everything's balanced and optimized and we're providing CO2 supplementation. Really when it comes down to is when. It's being run under LEDs. We're going to have a slightly less amount of total water. That's brought up to the plants. We needed some slightly higher concentration levels.
[00:30:49] Jason: Lower leaf surface temperature. A little bit, a little bit, bit more ideal environment typically because we could run a slightly hotter.
[00:30:55] Seth: Yeah. And you know, when one important thing to consider there too, is when we're talking about, you know, [00:31:00] HPS bulbs, we're talking about a single light source, no matter how old or near your HPS is. So generally speaking, we're going to have a hotspot and a lot more dim spot around the radius of the area that, that light lights up.
[00:31:11] Seth: And of course we have crossed over from our other lights, but. Most of your canopy is not going to be at that same house. That same PPFD level is your hotspot right in the middle. So when we look at LEDs, a big part of it is, you know, just as Jason said, with those HPS, we're going to have more transportation cause a higher leaf surface.
[00:31:28] Seth: With LEDs, because we [00:31:30] don't have that much reading heat going out. If CO2. AC and everything else is in line. We can actually crank that up to a much higher PPFD level at the canopy. Especially given that we don't, you know, like I said, we don't have those, that heat stress, so we're not going to burn half the plant while we're trying to eliminate the whole thing up to a high level. Now, if we can get the whole plant, not just to the ends of a few branches up to.
[00:31:52] Seth: You know, 1200 plus PPFD we have a lot more photosynthesis going along on a lot more plant structure building, [00:32:00] and we need more you know, we always say plant nutrients and more like plant vitamins. So when you're trying to build structure, those, aren't what actually builds your structure, but they're what allows the plants to build enzymes and power other process or assist and other processes not power them. That's the key. So.
[00:32:17] Seth: Just like if you know, Jason. And I wanted to go to the gym and start bulking up. We gotta, we gotta eat, eat our protein and everything else, but you also have to take your vitamins to make sure your joints are good. That your body's functioning [00:32:30] properly and the harder. You're pushing that energy consumption in any biological organism, the more pieces you're going to need to replace.
[00:32:38] Jason: At can also get back a little bit to the root of the question here would be a substrate. Easy is versus VVC. Yeah, small changes in VDC can make huge changes in and realistically, when you know, I'm looking at a different feed or, you know, a different type of white source. On times. Substrate DCS are going to be very similar between the two. [00:33:00] Really what we're trying to do is just keep
[00:33:01] Jason: A healthy, balanced environment in the rip zone. And so you know, they. I say, let's say, you know, I'm just recommended only a 0.5 difference in feces for HBS versus LEDs. 0.5 difference in red zone. DC, you know, YPO dynamic. You see of say five to 12. When I book some early gender disappearing.
[00:33:23] Jason: You know, a 0.5 saying, Hey, I'm 5.5 to 12.5. It's not going to result in a very big difference to the [00:33:30] plant.
[00:33:30] Seth: Yeah. And that's, you know, that brings up a good point. If you, if you're ever to ask either of us, like we're walking through you for your first run ever grind cannabis. I just started both tell you, start running by three, start running with a 3.0.
[00:33:43] Seth: Let's get some sensors in there and then we're going to judge whether we actually need to add more to get that stacking on, because if you keep your feet ISI static, you're eliminating a variable. In the system. So if you're in there changing, Hey, I think I need to up or down my feet every single day.
[00:33:58] Seth: It's going to be really hard to, you [00:34:00] know, accurately predict. Al of that feed is going to affect your ECE and the real skill that we want to get people on board with in terms of controlling ISI is going, Hey. You've got two real leverage to bull. You know, you can pull a. Push the button. Yeah, more irrigation, more runoff, and try to bring the ECE down that way.
[00:34:17] Seth: Or less runoff. And to bring the ECE up that way, and then we can change the feed. Now the feed is going to make the other two hard to predict. So let's just work with the variables that we can easily control. And [00:34:30] typically, you know, I would say thousands and thousands and thousands. Cannabis harvest proven.
[00:34:37] Seth: That they can take a three-point out. Just fine. And, you know, I always say it. If you go back in time to feeding primarily liquid nutrients and a lower UC, we're pushing a lot of water generally. Flushing back or raising up to around that 2.5, 3.0. So don't overthink it, keep it simple and make it so you can predict and have good control because that's going [00:35:00] to be a huge key and consistency. One run.
[00:35:02] Seth: That's ranging between a 2.5 and a five DC. It's not going to have completely different results, but it could be quite noticeable when we start looking at potency. You know, Jarden, dogleg, everything else at the end, compared to one that was running in, let's say a six to 11 range.
[00:35:19] Kaisha: Fantastic. You guys. Wow. Such good information. Josh had one more question. He posted in the chat here. I want us to get to he wrote also, we touched on this, but never clarified last week. Danger zone during [00:35:30] bulking for lights off VPD.
[00:35:33] Seth: Don't go below 1.0.
[00:35:37] Kaisha: Don't go below 1.0, there it is. Mike drop.
[00:35:41] Seth: Yep. Once you got once you've got buds developing any BPD below about a 1.0. And going below 70 degrees, Fahrenheit is going to open you up to mold formation.
[00:35:51] Seth: Yeah. Okay. And production loss. Cause you're, you're losing transportation. If plants aren't up-taking much water overnight, they cannot take as much nutrients either because that's why they're [00:36:00] pulling water in. It's balance.
[00:36:03] Kaisha: All right. Stay out of the danger zone. Y'all. And then Josh posted a comment here.
[00:36:07] Kaisha: A conversation about HPSS. We'll see at vs led. If he wrote were usually 3.5 led. But looking at an HPS projects or doing some homework, we haven't grown into HPS and starting to implement steering strategies. Josh. Good luck out there. Keep us posted and I'm going to send it over to Mandy. What's happening on YouTube.
[00:36:25] Mandy: Yeah, we got another question about supplemental lighting. Jane wants to know. [00:36:30] I want you at the far reds toward the end of the flowering cycle, continuous staggered, or just at specific times.
[00:36:40] Seth: I mean personally, to keep it simple, flip them on when you start ripening. And go from there. I always said that there hasn't been quite enough research out there to justify running an extra complicated schedule. So I would keep it simple. I mean, the more, the more complicated you want to make it, the more you're going to spend time programming and potentially the more expensive light program or in LEDs, you're going to [00:37:00] need to buy.
[00:37:00] Seth: So. It's, this is going to kind of sound old school, but originally I see some really good results out of the mix. It mixed led and hid setups, even though those are kind of being phased out. That kind of gives you a little bit of the best of both worlds and it's stupid, simple. You just have. Checkerboard light patterns.
[00:37:20] Mandy: Awesome. Thanks for that. And yeah, we're getting a bunch of shout outs over on YouTube. Carlito says I've listened to all 71 episodes. Most of them twice. I've learned so much that I don't [00:37:30] have any questions until I get over the obstacles I have. Thanks. Y'all. Oh my gosh. Thanks everyone. And thanks for the questions. But that's it for the questions on YouTube for now. I will pass it back to Kaisha for Instagram QS.
[00:37:42] Kaisha: Thank you, Mandy. Oh my goodness. Binge in all 70 episodes. Most of them twice Carlito. Let us know. We ready when you're ready to come on the show. It's exciting. All right. We're going to go back to some questions that Angus wrote. Yeah. I wrote to this, they wrote alright, so talking about an early flowers situation.
[00:37:58] Kaisha: Lighting DLA matches, [00:38:00] vege DLI VPD increased to 1.2 KPA. CO2 bumped up to match PPFD around 200 plus or minus two 50 PPM. Dry back is from 70% to 45 to 50% in 22 hours. Surround 1% per hour. Run up pH is banding within range and easiest stacking in the substrate. When do you decide whether to go up the whether to up the input ISI raise VPD, slightly reduced [00:38:30] substrate volume or something I'm missing.
[00:38:32] Kaisha: I'm trying to get a bigger drive back percentage within that 22 hour window. What do you guys think?
[00:38:39] Seth: That sounds like a pretty healthy, stable, dry bag, honestly. Say if you're, if you're going to chase that dry bag number, you're just going to hit a point where you can't, you can't write, but not at the end of your cycle. So.
[00:38:48] Seth: They're dying early flower. That sounds great. In fact, a lot of time, if I could achieve that during late flower and actually ripen inside of let's say a one gallon pot easily, I would be really stoked. So I would, I would keep running it right where you're at. [00:39:00] If you, if you know you, if you want to know when to go to the smaller media size, it's when you're getting less than a 15% grab back. That's, that's a pretty, pretty big key. Your dry bag is perfectly healthy.
[00:39:10] Seth: Since 70% sounds like you're probably in rockwool. So you're doing a great job staying up out of that. A hydrophone above the hydrophobic threshold. So I would, I would keep running with what you got and don't question too much, you know, and then we'll, we'll say it for the second time. On this episode that drive at number is pretty dynamic.
[00:39:27] Seth: And this is one of those situations [00:39:30] where. Mind being bigger than Jason's actually doesn't matter at all.
[00:39:35] Seth: The dry bag number is not something to hang your ego on or brag about. Unless somehow you found a media. That you can drive from 70 back to 12 and then recover and not do any damage to your plants for some reason. And then that's kind of bragging about. Some, some new media we haven't found yet. That has amazing properties. Right?
[00:39:54] Jason: Yeah, but. But when it comes down to is how much nutrients in water is that plant going through? That's what's going to turn into [00:40:00] biomass. So since the drive back is you know, simply a percentage and. You know how big our media is really comes down to how, what the total volume of nutrients and total mass of, or excuse me, total volume of water and total massive nutrients that are.
[00:40:16] Jason: Being processed by that plant.
[00:40:18] Seth: Yeah. I mean a good example is we can take a. Let's say a 60, 40 Coco perlite mix put in a two gallon pot. And. Let's say 38% BWC. 35. [00:40:30] I've seen a lot of that soundbite, right? Jason. Now if I've got a one gallon pot that had 65% volumetric water content. I've got close to the same amount of actual water capacity as that two gallon pot. So that's kind of what we're looking at when we're looking at, you know, this newer generation of like one gallon coco blocks for instance, is that higher water contents line has to grow a bigger plant.
[00:40:51] Seth: Inside of a smaller media and be more efficient. So even if you're thinking about pot size, the media type itself, and the way it's processed has a lot [00:41:00] to do with it. And I know we've at nauseum talked about this, but things like rockwool and Coco. rockwool's a little more consistent, but when we're talking about a media that you're buying to grow a plant, and unless you're going to pay 20 or $30 per unit,
[00:41:14] Seth: There's only a certain level of consistency you can expect. We want them to all be really close. Remember, if you're paying, you know, a small amount of money for something, you can only expect a certain level of quality. And that's where we kind of hit like this. Even though we're in some of the most controlled horticulture settings, [00:41:30] just on earth.
[00:41:31] Seth: We're still dealing with the dynamic living population of plants that. Is going to take us down a road where we're planning game of outages, because we don't have a valve for every single plant. We don't have a sensor for every plant and every plant is a slightly different size.
[00:41:47] Jason: Yeah. I mean, if you're working maybe.
[00:41:49] Jason: You know, if you're working across a number of different facilities that have different media types, you might start talking about dry bags, just as a function of Yep. Gallons or of leaders.
[00:41:59] Seth: Yeah, [00:42:00] absolutely. You know, when it comes down to actually planning out these irrigation cycles, We use these dry bag numbers to immediately convert that into milliliters and see how much do we need to recover in planning that next phase. so sometimes if that's a little more useful to think about it, and also once you get to a bigger media, you know, like if we're talking about
[00:42:19] Seth: Living soil beds, for instance. That's a whole different game, because 1% of. 400 gallons. Is still a decent amount of water. You know, [00:42:30] even though we we've got a smaller planet and everything, and that's where we'd see there, we want to use a little bit different type of measurement. To make that more accurate.
[00:42:37] Seth: We're looking more at soil moisture potential, but. Yeah. It's just important to remember too, that. These numbers are very specific for media types and. I've had to change my ranges, working with the same media manufacturer, just because we got a, a, a batch where the bags were filled slightly more.
[00:42:56] Seth: You know, if we suddenly get a batch that says one gallon, but it's actually one and a half. [00:43:00] Well, That's up to the cultivator to go figure out that that problem has occurred and correct their calculations to reflect that.
[00:43:09] Kaisha: Awesome. Thank you so much, Angus. Good luck out there. Let us know how you do. And just a quick programming note. If you have, if anybody was on YouTube, it did go down for a moment. Don't worry, we're going to have the whole video up tonight. So you will feel, be able to eat the whole program, but yeah, just a little bit minor technical issue.
[00:43:27] Kaisha: But we still here, we're still doing it. And actually you have less [00:43:30] than 10 minutes to go ahead and sit about 10 minutes to submit your question. So do you have any live questions we want to hear from you? Josh that's posted here in the chat. He wants to know. Have you guys seen any issues? With heavy metals in different brands of coco and any chance of running, no flesh could affect those numbers where you think.
[00:43:49] Jason: You know, there's definitely. Pretty big variety of qualities of coco that come out. As far as heavy metals. It comes to mind was a. [00:44:00] And issue from a reputable supplier when they changed their manufacturing facility about four years ago. That was, that was definitely a very problematic time for a lot of cultivators that had.
[00:44:11] Jason: Account on them as one of the highest quality manufacturers. Of, of the product at that time. So. You know, I personally, haven't really tested. Heavy metals in Cocos. Obviously I have seen big variations depending on the source of the coco, as far as the. Amount of It's still nav that is in the product. And a [00:44:30] lot of times that just comes down to, Hey, was it.
[00:44:32] Jason: It was a coast lease forest or is it inland source coco? How much I'm going to say as that. Kind of absorbed from ocean spray, those types of things. And obviously the best manufacturers of coco are doing a good job, washing their product. As far as heavy metals in it.
[00:44:48] Jason: I would hope that coco is probably less likely to have that type of stuff in it, because most of the processing is an organic process. You know, we're taking a naturally produced. I'll ask. And getting it. [00:45:00] Typically sun dried and chopped and washed. You know, there, maybe there's some processing chemicals that are involved in it that might contain some of that stuff. But, but none that I'm familiar I've at this point.
[00:45:10] Seth: Yeah. Typically, I think that would come from Coca that was grown in contaminated areas. And, you know, we don't really see a whole lot of that because coconut's a food product and, you know, coconut actual coconut producers have to go out of their way to have a saleable product. Therefore, They don't want heavy metal contaminated coconuts.
[00:45:29] Seth: So it's [00:45:30] not something we see, certainly not typically for most of the brands you've heard of. But. I do, actually, I really, I really do think they would be paying attention to that. I mean, there are vegetable producers that have to use coco, even non-organic ones. You know, you salts. Because the areas they live in are too contaminated with heavy metals to grow saleable vegetables in the graph.
[00:45:52] Seth: So, if you're wondering ever, that's absolutely a question you can ask your coco supplier. And indeed should. [00:46:00] It's great to ask him questions and figuring out if they're sourcing. The material in a way that you agree with and works for your processes. I've certainly know there's a. A range out there. A lot of them have some commonalities in the way they operate and some are different than others. So.
[00:46:15] Seth: Find the product you like and support the company you like. Yeah.
[00:46:18] Jason: And I was going to say if you know, if they get offended that you're asking that or important interested. You know, some examinations of their product. If they get offended, then. Just somebody else. Yeah. They should be happy to provide [00:46:30] these types of results.
[00:46:31] Seth: Yep. And while we're on that too, it really never hurts to start getting your incoming media. As soon a lab for Aspirgillus heavy metals, pesticide contamination, anything like that, that way. At least, you know, You know I've, I've worked with several clients lately that have been struggling, struggling, struggling to pass for aspergillus in different locations.
[00:46:51] Seth: And at the end of the day, we've gone through a bunch of different variables in their facility. Then they get their incoming Coco tested and go, oh this coco is [00:47:00] not sterilized as well as we thought it was. It's in, it's coming in with live aspergillus spores in it. Okay. Now we at least know where to attack that we're not chasing our tail.
[00:47:10] Seth: Looking around this room, scrubbing everything with bleach. When in fact a room is not the issue, that's what we're bringing into it.
[00:47:18] Kaisha: Thank you guys for that answer. Yeah. Josh made a point here. We're in a pretty tight we're in pretty tight parameters in Canada for rec market. Totally hit that. Yeah. So being mindful of the products you use, what goes into. Home [00:47:30] is important. A lot of considerations there. I'm right, Dylan. Just posted a question and Dylan, I'll read it out. If you want to add anything to that, do you want to name yourself? You're welcome to, but he wrote, Hey guys, I get a pretty significant spike in humidity right after.
[00:47:42] Kaisha: Lights turn off. Any thoughts on what causes that and how to control it?
[00:47:48] Jason: Here's it just has to do with, I mean, we see this even worse in HPS rooms than we do. Led rooms is the whites are burning off humidity. And so when we turn those lights off you're going [00:48:00] to see this spike and humidity. Transplants are still transpiring for a little bit of time and those lights go off. So we're getting, you know, substantial amounts of
[00:48:07] Jason: Water vapor added to the room. And when we have a main component, that's, dehumidifying the lights burning that humidity off. Turn those off. And the humidity is just going to spike.
[00:48:18] Seth: Yeah. Some of it goes back to actually why it's easier to give color in HBS room and that's because your heat source disappears at the end of the day.
[00:48:24] Seth: It's a lot easier for your temperature to fall down. If you just turn off the heat, right. Rather than with LEDs, you're [00:48:30] managing much less heat and put into the room. So your ambient temperature has to be kept higher. And the, you know, the big thing there is like, When we look at, when you think of relative relative humidity and absolute humidity, absolute humidity is telling us how many grams of water are in a given space and say the air, usually a cubic meter.
[00:48:48] Seth: Relative humidity is. What percentage of the water that, that air can hold at that temperature. So as the temperature goes down, the air can hold less and less water yet. There's still [00:49:00] the same number of grams of water. Inside that same cubic meter. So basically as the temperature goes down, that RH.
[00:49:06] Seth: At relative humidity line skyrockets. And like Jason said with APS, We, we just, we're not burning off any, you know, that's the best way to think about it burning off your humidity. We're not doing any of that. When the lights turn off. As far as solutions go, sometimes programming your dehumidifiers to kick in.
[00:49:23] Seth: Half hour, 45 minutes before the lights turn off, dry it out. Work with your HVAC system to make sure that your [00:49:30] temperature doesn't suddenly fall off quite as sharply. Right at lights off, you know, one thing we've kind of encouraged people to do is a. Just kind of slowly taper. That temperature, light, that temperature line down. That's one thing I know a lot of people struggle with is like,
[00:49:46] Seth: If your room typically doesn't have a problem cooling off. For instance. We go, Hey. Lights are shutting off. Give me a 10 degree deaf. Okay. Your AC system and that side of the room can do it. And let's say five minutes. Drop that 10 degrees. All right. That's too [00:50:00] fast to pull the humidity out for your team at a fire. So.
[00:50:03] Seth: Phasing out that AC. Slowing down that drop to happen instead of inside of 10 or 20 minutes inside of let's say three or four hours to make sure that your DDS can keep up. And then also remembering that your dehus. He's losing efficiency. As that temperature goes down. So really playing with that. And then also, you know, we've.
[00:50:23] Seth: Science has kind of told us like, Hey, if you sit outside all night, It doesn't immediately drop 10 degrees just cause the sun went down. [00:50:30] The night's also dynamic. The temperature goes down, down, down, down, down, down, down. Continues to go down until the sun starts to come up. So we don't need to have a full 12 hours at 65 degrees necessarily. We might only need.
[00:50:44] Seth: Two. Four. To really achieve that depth. So you got a little bit of room to play with ramping that down and trying to keep that humidity under control. If you have the control capability.
[00:50:56] Jason: Yeah, I think this is where, you know, it's [00:51:00] amazing how. Amazes me how effective some of the really simple solutions have been in the past and where you can really start to avoid that by getting more advanced with your solutions So we were thinking about any any of the Set Point based hvac parameters usually that's a reactive response right The Measuring something and that's going into a feedback loop that's making changes to try and achieve that set point You know as humans it's pretty cool because we can start thinking of proactive response especially In [00:51:30] something so cyclical And controlled as indoor growth silly. and so we started thinking Hey, maybe We. We want to actually do you know some. some set points that are are Based on a different time parameter Rather than just always running Let's do a conditional control. Control that. that. helps us Avoid those Spikes when there Our dynamic Changes
[00:51:50] Seth: In the room. And Unfortunately one thing I've run into is Usually not usually [00:52:00] [00:52:30] [00:53:00] But [00:53:30] [00:54:00] [00:54:30] oftentimes [00:55:00] [00:55:30] [00:56:00] that