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Seth Holehouse is a TV personality, YouTuber, podcaster, and patriot who became a household name in 2020 after his video exposing election fraud was tweeted, shared, uploaded, and pinned by President Donald Trump — reaching hundreds of millions worldwide.
Titled The Plot to Steal America, the video was created with a mission to warn Americans about the communist threat to our nation—a mission that’s been at the forefront of Seth’s life for nearly two decades.
After 10 years behind the scenes at The Epoch Times, launching his own show was the logical next step. Since its debut, Seth’s show “Man in America” has garnered 1M+ viewers on a monthly basis as his commitment to bring hope to patriots and to fight communism and socialism grows daily. His guests have included Peter Navarro, Kash Patel, Senator Wendy Rogers, General Michael Flynn, and General Robert Spalding.
He is also a regular speaker at the “ReAwaken America Tour” alongside Eric Trump, Mike Lindell, Gen. Flynn.
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Man in America. I'm your host, Seth Hullhouse. I'm overjoyed because today, I get to sit down with one of my favorite people that I've been trying to get on for quite some time. And it's doctor Sherry Tenpenny. So you're probably familiar with her.
Seth Holehouse:She's been on the frontline exposing COVID, the vaccines, the medical big pharma industrial complex, you name it. She's a fearless woman. And so today we're gonna be talking about disease X, talking about our what's in our food, our skies, our water, how to stay healthy, how to not live in fear, but also how to be aware of the different agendas that they're rolling out and what vectors they're using to try to get rid of us. Yeah, you and I so folks, please enjoy this interview with Doctor. Sherri Tenpenny.
Seth Holehouse:Doctor. Tenpenny, it is an honor to finally have you on the show. Thank you so much for being with us today.
Speaker 2:Oh, are you kidding me? I've been wanting to be on your show for a long time. So thank you so much for asking me. It's a pleasure to be here.
Seth Holehouse:Absolutely. It's, it's funny because we've met a lot of times in person we tried to coordinate but it just never never happened. But here we are. And it's, it's it's a good time to be talking because there's a lot going on as we're looking at, you know, we're in an election year. It looks like based upon what the public wants, it's not in the best interest of the deep state.
Seth Holehouse:So you can assume there's gonna be some sort of shenanigans that's gonna that will allow them to rewrite our elections again or who knows what. And, of course, there's disease x that, you know, Klaus Schwab is warning us about and Tedros and all the the cabal criminals that want us all dead. So I I guess, as we're entering into this year, and we're looking ahead, I knowing that for my belief that it's going to be a rocky year, not necessarily a bad thing. I mean, we're I think we're gonna get through it. But what are you focused on for this year?
Seth Holehouse:What are what are, like, what's what's catching your attention as we're heading into this year?
Speaker 2:Well, thank you, Seth. That's a good question. And I believe that you would probably all of your guests who kind of share the same feeling that this is gonna be an interesting year. I mean, the beginning of 2020, before all of this stuff nonsense started with COVID, you know, everybody was high hopes about, you know, the election and the economy was on fire. And I can remember on New Year's Eve, you know, going into 2020 thinking, man, this is great.
Speaker 2:America's finally kind of righted the ship, and we're back on track. And then bam, you know, March of twenty twenty, you know, all hell broke loose, pardon my French, but just kinda did. You know, that's just an expression. And then, you know, we we've muddled our way through the last three years, and here we are in 2024, an election year. And I think everybody sort of shares the same feeling of kind of ominousness, if there is such a word, because it is an election year.
Speaker 2:I think there's a lot of people, myself included, who feel they'll they'll do they're gonna stop at almost nothing to make sure that our elections either don't happen or that they are again corrupted because we never got rid of the dominion servers. Know, they're know, all the election fraud stuff is proven and it's still there. I mean, it's one thing to say, hey, look, we've proved This is bad. It's another thing to do something about it. And I think that their disease X thing is and I'd like to say to your audience is that, you know, I I said to you before, I have an expression that I've that I use and I've used for years.
Speaker 2:It's like, fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice ain't gonna happen. So it's okay to admit that maybe you you bought the Kool Aid, look hook, line, and sinker. Maybe the fear got the best of you. Maybe your friends and family and everybody else pushed you into something you didn't wanna do.
Speaker 2:Your employers pushed you in the wrong place. If you're in the military, they pushed you in the wrong place. But don't let it happen again. Don't let this fear thing about, oh, this is gonna be 20 times worse and all these different things gonna be 20 times worse with more deaths and twenty million people dead. And the people that don't die are gonna have neurological problems.
Speaker 2:Really? They don't even know what they're talking about. They can't even give it a name. You know, disease x was actually a placeholder. When you read that legislation that they tried to float June of last year about the covered countermeasures and getting BARDA involved again, you know, the bad guys.
Speaker 2:When you actually read the legislation, it says that the name disease x is a placeholder for such such a time that we have a future pandemic. And I think they're just trying to rev up the fear factor machine in order to get everybody saying, oh, please sign that WHO treaty. Please sign it so that we can be all protected. Well, if you're gonna be willing to give up your protect you know, give up your protection give up your freedom for protection, then you really should have neither. And, you know, if we really succumb to this World Health Organization treaty, there's been a lot of blowback in in Europe.
Speaker 2:I still don't think a lot of, you know, common folks here in The US because people don't pay attention. And I think that they really don't know how bad it could be. You know, talk to some people that, you know, left Eastern Europe and came to The United States when communism came into those countries and fascism took over a lot of things. Talk to people. I have friends that used to live in Venezuela before the Venezuela crash and everything that happened down there, they moved to The States, and now they're seeing the same those people are seeing people are seeing the same thing happen in The United States, and they're just like terrified and in tears at the same time that because once our freedoms are gone, once our constitution and our bill of rights is shredded, we aren't ever getting it back ever.
Speaker 2:And I think that people need to get to come to grips with that and stand up and fight, you know, fight local. And if you don't feel comfortable fighting nationally, at least fight local, because we can't let our legislators pass this treaty. We just can't.
Seth Holehouse:And it's interesting to mention a person from Venezuela, and I've also worked with a lot of Chinese. You know, as we're talking about before we started recording somehow back in the liberal arts school in the early two thousands, I got this mission to fight communism and and got really involved with working on, you know, especially fighting against the Chinese Communist Party and trying to expose their human rights atrocities, whether it was the Uighur Muslim camps, Falun Gong, or the underground Christians. And I met a lot of overseas Chinese that they saw the writing on the wall, you know, decades ago in America. And and they were they were worried about what was coming. And I think now a lot it's good.
Seth Holehouse:I think a lot of Americans see it, but it's I hope it's not too little too late. So one question I do have though, as you're watching all this unfold, and you're watching the reaction of people to this, and the the the engine, fear mongering engine that they're trying to hype things up and get everyone scared. From my perspective, in a lot of ways, it doesn't seem like it's working. And I find that a lot of people just aren't falling for it anymore. And so looking, you know, looking at what the what we had just happened in the recent primaries, right, we can see that, you know, Trump is overwhelmingly leading ahead and has a massive support, I think, from well over a hundred million American people that want to get him into office and in this this, you know, the reign of this communist coup that happened in 2020 that's that's been destroying our country, destroying our borders.
Seth Holehouse:And so it seemed like there is this this mass awakening of people that are saying, I've had enough. I'm not gonna allow us to happen. I'm not going to fall for the next thing. You know, again, fool me once shame on you for me twice, it's not going to happen. Right?
Seth Holehouse:So as we're progressing towards the elections, and we see that actually the people have an overwhelming support for the candidate that the deep state would want dead, you know, if they could just press a button, that'd be their best option. How do you see it playing out? Because I don't like if you look at their playbook, and another, you know, virus or another pandemic, it doesn't seem like it's going to work in the way that did before because there's so many indicators that show that people aren't, they're not following that they're not following CNN, they're not following anything really that's going to lead them in that wrong direction. And we've got Twitter with open dialogue and everything. So how do you see things playing out?
Speaker 2:Well, I think that what you said about people not really buying into it, I think it's it's sort of like an inverted bell curve. You've got people over here on this side that are absolutely not gonna go for it at all. And then you've got people over here on the other side that are okay with their seventh and eighth booster. They're still wearing mask. You know, I I fly I've flown a few times in the last couple of months.
Speaker 2:You still see people getting on the planes with n with n 90 fives and got their their kids all masked up. And you see people walking through airports, seeing people driving their cars, still with masks on. Occasionally, I see a person walking down my street outside walking their dog with a mask on it. So there's still people that are not willing to give up the narrative no matter how much direct evidence that you show them that it was a the whole scandemic was a scandemic. We never did have a pandemic of a lot of people.
Speaker 2:We had a test demic that we were testing and all these people were positive, which then when they found out that the tests were fraudulent and just racking up numbers just for the sake of racking up numbers and money and we've got this was way back in '21. We had at least a 50 published studies showing that masks do not work. And the only thing that they do is make the people who wear them sick and make the people who wear them unwell. The fraud of the PCR testing, it was proven from the very beginning. We all know all of the money that was involved with hospitals and doctors and people on the take, you know, for all this stuff with these COVID shots, but yet there are doctors still pushing them.
Speaker 2:And I know, you know, Peter McCullough, Peter's a friend of mine too. And you know, has made pretty bold statements about these are not only bioweapons, they're deadly bioweapons. And I said back in May of twenty one, when I did the 40 mechanisms of injury, you know, I did two webinars, so 20 mechanisms of injury, and then I repeat it, did it a second time with 20 more. So a total of 44 mechanisms of injury of how these COVID shots can make you sick or kill you. And at the very beginning, people were asking me like, yeah, right, doctor Tempany.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Right. I get it. When do you think all these people are gonna start dying? I said, well, there's gonna be four places.
Speaker 2:One is immediately, which we saw people that all this big bunch of people of why they took j and j shot and AstraZeneca off with blood clots, heart attacks, strokes, and all those things within the first forty eight to seventy two hours. That was, you know, phase one. Phase two is, I said, spike protein death. It's gonna take a while, and it's gonna be about three years. And they're like, yeah.
Speaker 2:Right. Well, here we are in 2024 seeing a hockey stick a number of death rates. I mean, like, you can't go a day without seeing somebody that you know had the shot because of their line of work. Either a professional athlete or somebody in Hollywood or, you know, something like that. They were forced to do this because of their line of work.
Speaker 2:So even though it may not be written in their obituary, I would say ninety percent of them probably died of spike protein blood clot related deaths of somehow. The third wave is gonna be somewhere between eight and ten years from now. So I wrote a SubSAC on my my SubSAC. It's called I am the evidence, and it can be found at dr10penny.SubSAC.com. And then in that one of my it's one of my most read Substacks.
Speaker 2:It was like, I took the shot and I'm okay. Well, not so fast. And I explained why you're gonna have to look over your shoulder about ten years to, you know, out if you don't have autoimmune disease, neurological complications, brain dysfunction like Alzheimer's, Lewy Lewy Lewy body dementia, Parkinson's disease, cardiovascular disease, all kinds of chronic things. If you can get ten years out from when you had your last jab and you are symptom and disease free other than maybe just an age related thing, then you can say, well, I think that I got lucky, thank the Lord, And I got one of those shots that maybe were less toxic. Maybe one of the ones that are placebos, if you really believe there is such a thing as a placebo vaccine, which I do not.
Speaker 2:I mean, it may not have had the active ingredient in it, but it had something in it. They weren't gonna spend all that money and all that effort to give people shots that were blanks. I'm sorry, that's just not how the industry operates. It hasn't done it ever. Why would it start now?
Speaker 2:But it's gonna, you know, we've got we're still seeing sudden deaths. And now we're in that hockey stick upward trend of the three year limit of what I said way back at the very beginning of beginning of twenty one, that we would see this hockey stick about three years out and we're seeing it. And then we're everybody so many people are now saying they're sick from something. They've got the turbo cancers. They've got, you know, headaches, migraines.
Speaker 2:You know, when the Pfizer documents first came out, Seth, where it's, you know, right at the beginning and the first tranche of Pfizer documents came out, there was a document in there that listed 1,200 different diseases and conditions that they knew that these shots could cause before they even released it. So when people say to me, hey, doctor t, do you think that the shots could cause x and just fill in the blank with whatever kind of syndrome that comes to your mind? My answer is always yes. They knew 1,200 different things. Go look it up on that document and see if it's on there.
Speaker 2:If it's not, that's, you know, it's probably something that was missed. But if so whenever anybody says, do you think the shots cause, or if I got the jab two years ago, can I still die from it? The answer is yes, because we're seeing people all the time. And when you say, oh, I got the shot. Does it cause eye problems or kidney problems or infertility problems?
Speaker 2:Fill in the blank. The answer is yes. Sadly, yes.
Seth Holehouse:And, you know, you mentioned this hockey stick curve of these increased deaths. And I've seen a lot of different experts giving different numbers of the deaths that they've measured, whether it's a couple hundred thousand, you know, fifteen million. I mean, it's it's varying because obviously, there's no central database that's tracking this or at least not one that we're aware of that we have access to. I'm sure that maybe the CDC has theirs in some sort of secret digital vault where they're tracking their their progress towards their depopulation agenda perhaps. But with these phases of deaths, this is something I'm really curious to hear your thoughts on.
Seth Holehouse:And I've asked Doctor. David Martin some similar questions. We've kinda gone into this. In terms of the the bigger picture of this long term effects, because right now, here in America, let's just say hypothetically, there's been, you know, say, four million deaths, rough roughly one percent of the population, right, you know, be a ballpark from this. Life still seems pretty normal.
Seth Holehouse:And maybe most people, like, know personally, I have, you know, say, family or friends or, you know, relatives that have had heart attacks or, you know, they've they've passed away. And there's not conversations really among family where everyone's just saying, gosh, it's it was a vaccine. There's a few people that might know it, but most people seem to be pretty oblivious. And so from looking at the amount of shots that were given to people, you know, you know, billions and billions distributed, and then looking at where things are. I think for, like, me, if I were to rewind and go back to where I was two years ago and said, Seth, given the number of shots, you know, given the information that you've discovered, you know, a lot of it through watching yourself, it's like, where would you think the deaths will be at by 2024?
Seth Holehouse:I would have thought, gosh, maybe it's gonna be in the hundreds of millions, right, based upon what we saw. So where do you think that this goes over the next, say, five or ten years? I mean, I know it's a difficult question. But if you had to look at the change in population, of the world population over the next five or ten years, and I mean, if you wanna even include infertility, these things that certainly affect the trajectory of a world population, I I think a lot of people are looking at what the vaccine's done, and thinking, okay, well maybe it made a dent in things, but it wasn't this massive shift. I tend to think that we haven't really seen the real outcome of it yet, but I really wanna hear your thoughts.
Speaker 2:Well, first of all, how do you know we don't have a hundred million deaths? The ones that we know are the ones that have been reported. What about, you know, some little villages in Northern Thailand, or things that have happened in Indonesia or people in South America that they don't have any databases or anything at all? Is there's no way of knowing, you know, how many deaths we've actually had. There have been some people that have looked at least in America along the lines of like casket orders and, you know, grave sites and things like that trying to figure out.
Speaker 2:And they knew that the the casket order, particularly small caskets for children, had been like double, triple the size. They did that that study in Canada where they were looking at that. So I don't know because they don't want us to know. All they cared about from the beginning was a, you know, 3,500,000,000 people to be gone. There's no place of being able to track that.
Speaker 2:And yes, it's a very, very wide gap between 15 the CDC says, I think 15,000. And then there's other people that say worldwide, it's somewhere between fifteen and twenty two million. Well, those are the ones we kinda know about or we can extrapolate on. But think of all of the countries, like like I said, Northern Thailand, Laos, you know, Bangladesh, you know, Afghanistan places that have no tracking mechanism whatsoever, but they were all given their, you know, boatload of shots. How do we, we know that it's not already a hundred million or more, we don't.
Speaker 2:And so and we don't know how much longer it's gonna take, you know. Everybody kind of points to the Diegel report, you know, which said by 2025, we'd have this huge depopulation. When that first came out, what, ten, fifteen years ago, when that first floated around, it was quite a while ago. And because I everybody who knew about it and was talking about it in our inner circles were going, how in the world would they do that? I mean, short of a nuclear war all out, you know, guns and bullets thing, how would they ever kill off that many people?
Speaker 2:Well, here we go. Their death shot of doing it to everybody and doctors that are still advocating for it and pushing it, pediatricians that are still, you know, saying the kids need to get it, which they don't. And then that comes to your second point about the infertility rate, which has dropped all over the country, all over the world actually, below replacement level. Replacement level means that, you know, two people get married and they have at least two children to replace themselves, preferably a boy and a girl, but it doesn't always happen that way. And so but the infertility rates have dropped everywhere.
Speaker 2:And I said way back at the beginning when they first, you know, did that interview where it said, yes, we lied. We caught them in a lie. It doesn't stay in your arm. It very quickly gets absorbed through the muscle into your bloodstream and disseminates everywhere, which anybody that would have believed that from the very beginning that it's just gonna stay in this depot place in your arm has no concept of how vaccines ever worked because they never stay in your muscle ever. That's why they added aluminum because aluminum is supposed to hold it there long enough for the white blood cells to come by it and to stimulate the production of antibodies.
Speaker 2:This had no aluminum. We had all the real massive freezing cold things that they were doing, you know, with shipping around at the beginning. But to say that people, I mean, believed, honestly believed that it stayed in the arm, but instead it went to the ovary and the testes, you know, primarily. I said from the very beginning, Seth, I said, you know, if if the powers that be and the global people, the world health the World Economic Forum and whoever else is above them that we don't know that they are just the puppets of, I don't know who that might be, but I'm sure that they their front people like Klaus Schwab and Bill Gates are, their strings are being pulled by somebody. If they're gonna go to all this trouble and all this expense and write all of these laws about EAUs and covered countermeasures and have multiple countries all around the world with no quality control, no legislation producing billions of vials and bottles of this stuff.
Speaker 2:They're going to go to all that trouble to put all this stuff inside of people to kill off a sizable portion of the population. They wanna make sure that those young people don't start having babies and start filling the pot back up from the bottom. If we take everything off the top, we want it to stay that way. We don't want them to start having children and fill fill it back up from the bottom. And that's what's happened with infertility rates and, you know, my, you know, my cycle story that's been published, you know, talking about all the people just being around people that have been that had gotten the jab and been had the had the shots, how it disrupted their their menstrual cycles.
Speaker 2:They either got really heavy or they stopped or postmenopausal women just started bleeding again. You know, we have all of that, that documentation and all that data. And then we've got the turbo cancers that have come up in prime, a big, big swatch. I did a short presentation a while back. It was called the name of the presentation was called the assault on men.
Speaker 2:And it was taught, and I talked about the turbo cancers and that how many this, the lion's share, a huge amount of these turbo cancers were prostate and testicular cancers. And for your audience, what that means in terms of turbo cancers or where that term came from. Because prior to COVID, as a physician and in medicine, we never had that term before. This was something that has come out of these cancers that have been blossoming from these COVID shots. And what it means is that from the time that you are diagnosed with that cancer, whether it's leukemia, lymphoma, breast cancer, prostate cancer, lung cancer, whatever it is, from the time that you are diagnosed until you die can be months, weeks, sometimes even days, because it's so aggressive and happens so fast.
Speaker 2:We had a and I can tell you a real life story here. I live in I live in Cleveland, in one of the suburbs of Cleveland, and as another suburb on the other side of town, there was a a young boy, I believe he was 12, 13, somewhere around that age. It had the jab to be able to play sports, and it played soccer on Friday or Saturday just in a regular tournament. And by the first of the next week, wasn't feeling well, had a low grade fever, went to the doctor and said, well, let's just order a routine CBC in which has red cells and white cells and stuff in it, just to see what it is. The lab test came back that the young man had leukemia and was dead in four days.
Speaker 2:You know, and previously had just, you know, a week previously had played in a it was either soccer or basketball or something like that. It was played in a and it was a pretty public. It was, I'm not telling any stories out of school. It was all over those papers and everything up here. And that's not a unique one off position.
Speaker 2:That is a representation of many things that we're seeing. So to that's a long winded answer to your question about the infertility because we're gonna continue to see this. And so to answer your bigger question about where do I see this going? They're gonna do pull out every stop that they possibly can to make sure that we get jabbed with something. I mean, there was just that report that came out earlier this week or last week about the Ebola vaccine that they've used now at the Denver hospital.
Speaker 2:I really thought, and I'll tell you just an aside here real quick. When COVID first started in March of twenty twenty, and the month before that in February of twenty twenty, when all this stuff was kicking up in Europe and they were just at the very beginning of the hysteria, the CDC had its quarterly ACIP meeting. The Advisory Committee of Immunization Practices meets quarterly in the CDC in Atlanta. And I thought, well, I'm gonna go down to that meeting because I I'm gonna just go and see what they're talking about that has to do with this. What's this?
Speaker 2:What is COVID? What is STARS COVID two? I wanna go hear from them what they have to say about this. So I took a flight, went down to Atlanta, was there for a day and a half of meetings. They had literally ten minutes.
Speaker 2:They had a gal come in right after lunch and stood at the podium for ten minutes talking about COVID and SARS CoV two. The entire rest of the meeting from the time I got there until I left, which was about a day and a half, the entire rest of the meeting was about Ebola vaccines and about Ebola vaccines and and who they who because this is a live virus vaccine, which means it can spread from person to person. Who should be entitled to get the vaccine? And they were talking about lab workers and people going into endemic places like The Congo, transport people. They were making very clear distinguishing of who could or have access to this vaccine because it was live virus, which is, you know, not good.
Speaker 2:And then they then right before lunch, somebody on the ACIP committee said, well, what about pregnant people? And the two gals who were given the presentation standing up at the podium kind of were like, I don't know, pregnant people? And they were saying, yes, pregnant women that they, you know, maybe they work in the lab and now they've found out that they were pregnant. Should we be able to give it to pregnant women? Well, let's break for lunch and let's talk about it after lunch.
Speaker 2:So we broke for lunch. We came back, and the committee voted over lunch to yes pregnant women could get this live virus vaccine. No studies, no research, no anything. And I came home from that meeting going, woah. You know, not knowing anything about SARS CoV two and not knowing what was gonna happen over the next over the the next three years thinking, wow.
Speaker 2:There's gonna be they're gonna try to pull something with Ebola. They're just gonna try to pull something, and they're gonna show those stock photos that they have from the CDC of people bleeding from their eyes and, you know, laying on the grounds with and all these hazmat people walking around these stock photos that they've had for decades about Ebola and get everybody all fired up about it. We even went so far as me and one of my business partners and another person actually set up a, you know, resist Ebola website. We even actually developed a website. We were so sure that this was gonna be the big hysterical thing that they were bringing forth.
Speaker 2:Well, obviously, we shut that all down because we were wrong. But I'm just saying that to say they've had this vaccine in their back pocket since February of twenty twenty. And so to be able to bring up the big fear factor about Ebola or a disease x that looks kinda like Ebola and has those same sort of things, these things get planned years, if not decades in advance. And that's, in my opinion, kind of where we are right now with it.
Seth Holehouse:Hey, folks. I've got a quick message for you. So I'm sure you've heard a lot of people, myself included, talking about the importance of buying precious metals, gold and silver. But what's really behind that? Is it just a thing of, hey.
Seth Holehouse:Buy this gold. Buy this silver. Right? Or is there something deeper that we should be looking at? So I recently came across some figures about house prices.
Seth Holehouse:So in 1930, the average family home was approximately $4,000. Fast forward to 02/2023, the average family home is just over $400,000. So you have to ask yourself, why is that? Is it because things have just gotten more expensive? No.
Seth Holehouse:It's actually because the dollar has lost 99% of its value since 1930. Right? When people talk about the collapse of the dollar or inflation, this is what it means. Now let's take a look at gold. So in 1930, if you wanted to purchase your home in gold, it would take approximately 200 gold coins.
Seth Holehouse:So 200 gold coins would purchase the average family home in 1930, about $4,000. Now if you instead of buying a home with that gold or cash, you set those aside. If you set aside $4,000 in cash in 1930, it would be worth $4,000 today. What can you buy with $4,000? Can you buy a family home?
Seth Holehouse:No. You can't even buy a crappy used car. But if you set aside $4,000 worth of gold coins in 1930, which is 200 gold coins, 1 ounce coins, that would be worth approximately $400,000 today. And this is the key lesson about precious metals. It's not about getting rich.
Seth Holehouse:It's about putting your money into an asset that protects you against inflation and against the destruction of the currency, which is what happens to all fiat currencies, especially now we're in the end days of the dollar. And so that's why it's important, maybe not all of your money, but a portion of your money, a portion of what you have, I highly recommend putting it into precious metals of gold and silver, because what it's doing is it's protecting you. This is an asset that has stood the test of time, not just stood the test of time since the nineteen thirties. We're talking about the rise and fall of civilizations. Gold was used to buy houses back in ancient Rome.
Seth Holehouse:It's still around. It's an asset that will forever have its value. So folks, if you want to do this and you need someone you can trust, there's no person I can recommend more than doctor Kirk Elliott. He's a very good friend of mine. He's a strong Christian patriot, and he's out to really help people to protect their savings and what you've worked for against the destruction of the dollar, not to mention also protecting it against the dangers of a central bank digital currencies.
Seth Holehouse:So to learn more about this, go to goldwithseth.com or call (720) 605-3900. Again, that's goldwithseth.com or (720) 605-3900. Both those places will allow you to set up a quick appointment where you can talk to a wealth adviser that will help get you started on this path. Again, goldwithseth.com, 7 2 0 6 0 5 3 9 0 zero. And that brings me to an interesting talking point or trying to understand this because from my understanding of this, and I'm not a doctor, I've obviously talked to a lot of brilliant people like yourself.
Seth Holehouse:COVID was relatively harmless. I mean, it was it was in a lot of ways just flu symptoms. And yes, okay. Just like the flu, people can die of the flu. Okay.
Seth Holehouse:But it's not it's not something that you would see spreading killing everybody. I remember watching one of the old Little House on the Prairie shows, and there was a I forget what it was. There's a certain disease in one of the episodes that was spreading. And, I mean, it probably had a ten percent mortality rate. I mean, people were just dropping dead left and right.
Seth Holehouse:Like, that's what a real pandemic looks like when the streets are lined with with bodies. Not, you know, where everyone's walking around saying, do I am I sick? Let me go to CVS and get a get a a rapid test to see if I'm sick because Which there's still is running. But with Ebola, because I remember seeing outbreak as a kid and thinking, oh my gosh, that's so scary. You know, you'll probably see outbreak footage on CNN pretty soon.
Seth Holehouse:But, you know, with Ebola, from from my understanding, that actually is a pretty serious you know, virus or or is it not? I mean, it
Speaker 2:It's it can be treated with an I I don't wanna really say it here because I don't wanna shut down your show. But there is a med there is a medication that you can get. I know that Todd Callender talks about it on show Oh, Ben, is he? Oh, okay. So you've talked about that.
Seth Holehouse:Oh, yeah. Yeah. And and this won't be on YouTube, so we can talk about election fraud and So
Speaker 2:penbenzol, I think they come in two fifty milligram tablets. If you take two of them, it's over. It's a virus infection. You talked to Judy Mikovits about what they were doing to try to make it spread aerosolized because it was a heavy sort of virus that didn't spread very readily, you know, and so they were doing things to manipulate that way back when. And so it's, it's all, all of it is just nonsense, you know, it's just, it's just not, it's noise.
Speaker 2:It's just ways to get, you know, our fear factor goes up, which means our cortisol level goes up, which means our immune system goes bound down. That makes us more susceptible. You know, I had written one of the first papers I wrote about SARS CoV two when this stuff all started was, I went backwards in time and there were seven, I believe if I It's been a while, but I believe there were seven coronaviruses that they had known about since the 1960s. And in any given season, any given flu season, about twenty to thirty percent of people who came down with what they would call the flu was caused by a coronavirus. And then in the particular year when, know, and every year they always talk about, oh, get your flu shot because seventy to eighty thousand people die every year from the flu.
Speaker 2:Well, the year that SARS CoV-two came out, what happened to the flu? There wasn't any report of it because nobody was focused on the flu. And, you know, I don't I don't really wanna get into the conversation about virus versus no virus. I I feel like that is just one way to continually divide us. I read a a substack.
Speaker 2:I I can't remember who wrote it, but they were called it was written by a medical doctor that said virus versus new virus. I don't know and I don't care. And that's kind of like my position on that because I kinda feel like viruses can be laboratorily made and synthetically made from amino acid sequences that they peel off the internet, but I also believe that there is something out in nature that cause there's there's the tobacco virus plants, there's things that that make plants and animals sick out in nature that they're not pulling something off of the computer program to make it. So I, my position on that kind of is in like, why does it have to be all or nothing? Why is it either all yes or all no?
Speaker 2:Why can't we say it depends or it, you know, depends on what you're talking about and some are synthetically fabricated made and really don't exist big in nature. And then there's other ones that might, that can. I mean, I think it's just another way to divide us quite frankly. And and anything that they can do to divide us on religious grounds, on color of your skin, on this transgender, you know, agenda. Anyway to divide us is one more way to decimate America and put, you know, their foot, either heel of their foot on the back of the neck of America to break it.
Speaker 2:You know? And I just feel like this whole big discussion about virus versus no virus, I don't know. I don't particularly care. I don't agree with either camp totally. Now you'll probably get a lot of I'll probably get a lot of messages of people saying, then I'm just a freaking idiot if I believe that viruses exist.
Speaker 2:But it's, you know, nobody and I've talked to a lot of people and nobody has yet totally convinced me that they don't they don't exist. I had initial conversations with Andy Cohen and or I mean, Tom Cohen and and Andy Kaufman, and you know, I've had conversations with, you know, Lee Merritt and a lot of other people, and I'm not convinced yet. I might change my mind, you know, I reserve the right to change my mind or have my mind be changed down the road, but I don't think that this should be an all or nothing discussion. I think that we can say that SARS CoV two was not a natural virus. It didn't come from a wet market or or a a bat or a snake or anything like that.
Speaker 2:I mean, it's something that was fabricated that we can't isolate. We can't do anything with it. But knowing that it's got chunks of HIV in it and it's got all these different things that are in it, you know it was made in a lab. So why can't we just have the discussion about that not really existing in nature? Why do we have to roll that over to say none of it exists in nature?
Speaker 2:And again, this is just my opinion and I'll cut and I'll preface it with that with saying this is just my opinion from looking at a lot of things. And I've spent a lot of time looking at in the GMO industry. I'm doing a big, big research project right now about vaccines in our food. I mean, it's a whole lot more than messenger RNA. And it's and why why we why we really need a food revolution, and we need to get these people's hands off of our food.
Speaker 2:And so it's I just don't I never really think that most things in life are all or nothing, Seth. You know, except we have to we have to die someday and we have to stand in front of our maker someday. That's an absolutely all. But It is. Not like, oh, maybe that'll happen.
Speaker 2:I'm not sure. Well, guess again.
Seth Holehouse:It's funny because I I feel like it's it's nice hearing you say that because I've interviewed Tom Cohen a handful of times. And and then I've interviewed, obviously, Peter McCullough, and he talks about it as a virus. My you know, I've interviewed people that say the earth is flat. I mean, maybe people say the earth is round, and I've interviewed a lot of really smart people, and and I find that there's a lot of evidence on all sides for all these different things. And I I really reserve myself like, there's very few things that are black and white for me.
Seth Holehouse:Like, one of them is heaven and hell. Like, good and evil. These are black and white things. Like, there is a God. Right?
Seth Holehouse:There is Satan, and these are very black and white for me. But and it's interesting that because so I'll interview Tom Cohen, and then I'll interview Sam McCalla, and I'll see all the comments. People are like, why are you bringing on McCalla? He's a shill. He's pushing the virus theory.
Seth Holehouse:I thought you were better than that, Seth. And it's like they they think that because I had one conversation with Tom Cohen that now I'm in the no virus camp. And I'm not saying it's like, no, I think a lot of what he says absolutely makes sense. But there's also some other things that I'm still figuring out, and it's it's difficult, especially when you're in the in in the limelight like you and I, where we're putting our opinions out for, you know, potentially millions of people to see that you can't please everybody.
Speaker 2:Exactly. And I think that people that are in the no virus camp need to do a lot more research into animal viruses and illnesses and plant viruses and illnesses. And, and I've the the blowback that I've gotten from some of that as well. It's just pesticides. No, not in every circumstance.
Seth Holehouse:Go read the Bible. There are diseases and there are problems
Speaker 2:about crops. Yes.
Seth Holehouse:Before Monsanto as far as I know, maybe maybe Monsanto was was there actually. And it was some sort of sacrifice ritualistic
Speaker 2:There were pestilences and diseases as far back as six thousand years ago that there were no computer lines and stuff like that. Oh, well, it was just a lie to call it a virus. I don't know. But I really like to go to default back to that substack that I read. I wish I could remember the gentleman the name to give him credit.
Speaker 2:But you know, just the title to me says it all, you know, virus, no virus, I don't know and I don't care. So there are more important things to be spending our time talking about. Does that does being on either side of those camps, does it stop the vaccine? No, not really. Does it make our, get to do away with election fraud?
Speaker 2:Not really. Does it make our food safer? Not really. What about the stuff they're spraying on us from the air? No, not really.
Speaker 2:There are a lot more. That was just the the trip of the iceberg off the top of my head. There are a lot more more serious things for us to be debating about. And the next time, and I'll say this to your audience and to my audience too. The next time that you feel compelled to get into that argument, just stop for one second and go, so you are so determined to be right.
Speaker 2:What does that do to change anything? And is it really that important of a discussion? Does it change everything? Kinda like the flat earth discussion. You know, I've been tried people have tried to draw me.
Speaker 2:I'm glad you mentioned that. I've tried to draw me into that for a long time. I said, well, it's not particularly biblical, and I don't really care. You know? And I know that when you fly from England to South Africa or you fly from Los Angeles to Australia, I don't know.
Speaker 2:Does it go straight on forever? I mean, and what about when you see the sun come up over the horizon, know, over the horizon when you're flying at night and then suddenly, I mean, seriously, there's a lot of things in that argument that really don't make sense to me. It's the biggest thing. The biggest problem with it is I think the earth is circumferentially a lot bigger than what they they use in their arguments. I think it that somewhere along the line, it hasn't been appropriately measured, and I think that that that's part of the fault with all of that.
Speaker 2:But, again, that's just my opinion. I haven't I would spend any time on it. So please out there don't be sending me like a zillion things read this read this. I'm not I've got my own history.
Seth Holehouse:Yeah, well, that's one the hard parts. Think that we're we're we're even what we think we know is like 10 layers of lies deep. Like we haven't had control of our history
Speaker 2:well said. Said.
Seth Holehouse:So we've been even things that we think are so historically accurate, and we know for certain, I think oftentimes have been they might have been changed six hundred years ago in the history books. How how would we even know?
Speaker 2:So Exactly.
Seth Holehouse:The one question I have that that I I just I'm curious about is because, okay, if we look at the vaccine rollout, and we look at the harm that's caused, and that's just one of so many things, the foods, Monsanto, everything, the chemtrails, you can see that we share this planet with this group of people that think it's their God given right or their Satan or Lucifer given right to eliminate and control large amounts of the population of us, you know, the the the commoners, the, you know, whatever, you know, the the chattel or the cattle, whatever you want they wanna refer to us as. And so we know that these are very evil people that are really hell bent on getting rid of us. And one of the concerns that I have, and even based upon reading some of the leaked speeches from the CCP, right, that talking about biological warfare, talking about needing to eliminate between one and two hundred million Americans as part of their their their their strategy to take over and colonize this continent. One of the concerns that I do have is that is that whether it's disease X or whatever it is that they might actually release something very deadly.
Seth Holehouse:And I don't want to live in fear of that. You know, I've you know, maybe two years ago, when I've got Mike Adams always on the background, I'm like, okay, this is gonna happen and get my food and get my guns and everything. And I've had to really kind of come to a new place where it's like, okay, you know, God's gonna tell me when it's my time now time to go. And I'm not gonna live in fear. I'm still gonna be prepared, but I don't want live in fear.
Seth Holehouse:But that is something that does concern me though, is that is that as they get more desperate as they get that they're losing control of the narrative, they're there. They've got a lot of the population, you know, we're now at a place where we're like, yeah, COVID was a scam, and I'm not going to fall for it again. But it's like, what if they do release something? What if it is some sort of hybridized, you know, Ebola or something that is this genuinely deadly and threatening thing because I wouldn't put it past them. I really wouldn't put it past them.
Speaker 2:We don't have any control over that.
Seth Holehouse:There you go.
Speaker 2:And we in so if you spend a lot of time in that space, does it add a cubit to your life? You know, it's not, it doesn't, it doesn't change anything. You know, I had a Monday night I do a bridey on TV show called the 10 penny files on your health. And last, well, guess, yeah, it was last week, last Monday night, I interviewed Jeffrey Smith. I'm sure you've probably had Jeffrey Smith on your show before.
Seth Holehouse:I haven't yet.
Speaker 2:Oh, you you need to get him on. He's Jeffrey's been a friend of mine for years, and he has an organization called responsibletechnology.org. And he's been probably single handedly the most vocal way person in the world to let people get educated about GMOs and genetic engineering and all of that. And he was telling me when and I'm I'm making this point of of saying they can release something. His biggest concern right now is that the CRISPR technology has become so commonplace.
Speaker 2:They're starting to teach it in high schools. And you can get a CRISPR kit to manipulate bacteria or whatever you want for about $2. And he said his biggest concern is that somebody will manipulate a bacteria and put some sort of a deadly gene inside of that bacteria. And bacterias, you know, swap genes and stuff all the time that could actually be so bad. It's interfere with the microbiome of the planet to the place where it could completely destroy the Terra Firma and not be able to grow food anywhere on the planet ever again.
Speaker 2:And he gave some really interesting and important data about that. And so his point of bringing that up is to let people know that if you're, you know, what's happening with the CRISPR technology and why it's important for us to be aware of it. And if they're starting to talk about that in your high school where your kids are going to school to go in and educate the teacher, the science teacher about the problems that they might do unwittingly. They might just create something because anytime that you do genetic engineering or bioengineering, because sometimes you can buy food products now, because they have a new labeling law that went into effect January of last year, actually of January of twenty two. No, that's not true.
Speaker 2:They passed the law in '22 and it went into effect in January of this year, this labeling for bioengineers. So now you can pick up a can of soup or a package of crackers and on the side it has to it will say contains bioengineered ingredients.
Seth Holehouse:Actually
Speaker 2:So when the first the the first time I saw that, went, what is that? And so I went down the rabbit hole, and I was gonna write a article for my substack about that, which turned into a 44 page research paper that of of what I found out about the difference between genetic engineering, gene editing, genetic modification, and and all the different techniques and how they do it, And the 14 different plants and animals that they have, because we do have genetically modified salmon now and all the, and there's 14, there's 13 other grains that they have approved for use. And what is that is what is actually happening inside of our food supply is just, you know, so when you read that thing, that bioengineered has the have you had anybody on your show that you've talked about this new labeling law? The labeling law is horrible.
Seth Holehouse:No. I haven't. I haven't.
Speaker 2:What they what they talk about in this new labeling law was under the pressure of people constantly putting pressure on them, like all these organizations and individuals saying, we need to have labels on our food to know whether or not there's genetically modified stuff in there. So it took them a couple of years, and the USDA is beholding to the the the agricultural industry. The USDA, you know, Department of Agriculture is beholding to the large egg organizations and big food in the same way that the FDA is beholden to the pharmaceutical industry. So they came up with this labeling way to do it. The amount of genetically modified stuff that's in say a package of cookies.
Speaker 2:If it's below a certain amount, it doesn't need to be listed on the on the package. Even if it is listed in a certain amount, if water and flour and different things are first, it may be listed way at the very end. So people don't really know how much is in there. And the other thing that for people to think about with bioengineered foods and also with food additives, all
Todd Callender:of
Speaker 2:the food additives, there are a hundred millions of pounds of food additives in our food. And all of them have been approved for use by the FDA based on single dose usage. Like if you have one dosage of in your mouth of aspartame or sodium nitrite or something like that, causes no problems and they say it's safe and they can put it under generally the labeling, which is generally recommended as safe, but they are generally recognized as safe, but they don't take into consideration. You don't have to label how much is in there. So aspartame, it doesn't have to say so many milligrams or sodium nitrate, which doesn't need to be labeled as a how much it is.
Speaker 2:And with people eating so many packaged and fast foods now, there is no data anywhere on cumulative dose. And so what they have done to our foods, like so many people are got their knickers in a knot right now about, oh my gosh, they're gonna put messenger RNA vaccines in our food. Oh my gosh. The stuff that's already been in there and been in there for years. And when you start reading packages that say bioengineered you know, contains bioengineered products, know that that means GMO.
Speaker 2:And they chose that language, Seth, bioengineered ingredients, because people are on to the idea about GMO. And they they've they've heard it and talked about it and know that it's bad and they shouldn't eat it. But this whole thing of bioengineered ingredients, I didn't know what that was. I mean, what does that really mean? Is that one thing?
Speaker 2:Is it the rice? Is it the this? Is it the that? And that's what took me down the rabbit hole looking at it because people don't recognize that as a genetic engine genetic and the difference between genetic modification and genetic engineering, genetic modification is you've got a slurry of cells and you have a gun, literally a a gene in gun that shoots DNA into this pot of these cells. And you hope that some of that DNA goes into the cells and creates a brand new organism because every time they do it, they're modifying it and becoming out with a brand new organism.
Speaker 2:Genetic engineering and gene editing is supposed to be that you have a little knife and Here's the strip of of DNA and it's supposed to cut out a specific place and put something specifically in. Like, really? I mean, we're talking about things like microns in size and for a, like, a a gene and then it's less than that for a specific thing. So they've sold it under the under the guise that gene editing and genetic engineering is really specific, and it doesn't and there's no errors and no mistakes. And because it's really specific, it's not like this genetic modification stuff that's just a shotgun approach.
Speaker 2:This is really like laser surgery. So we don't have to worry about it leaking out into nature. We don't have to worry about coming up with resistant plants and resistant bugs because we know we've done this so specifically. It's all deception. All of it, it's just deception and lies.
Speaker 2:And for you, and I'll just say this, and then I'll quit rambling here. But in China for years, they would not allow genetic GMO plants, organisms into their country because they felt that they were very dangerous. Well, the USDA and the big food industry has now sold China and China's Scientists on the fact that genetically engineered or gene editing is not nearly as dangerous. And so they are now passing laws in China to allow that those grains and those foods into their country under the ruse, under the ruse, under the lie that it's safe and it's gonna be okay.
Seth Holehouse:It's incredible.
Speaker 2:There's so much to know about our why we need a food revolution. It's just so that's one of the that's when you asked me at the very beginning of the show, what am I what am I is my big thing that I'm working on this year? It's gonna be vaccines in our food. Because I've talked about vaccines for twenty three years, and now I've taken a pretty deep dive into our food supply and oh, talk about rolling your eyes back. You just won't even gonna believe it once I get done with this.
Seth Holehouse:Which is interesting to look at because I find that a lot of times there's the the red herring or there's the thing that they want us to focus on. And now that there's this new emergent, you know, grouping of, you know, conservative voices that are, you know, blowing up on Twitter, and now they're guiding the narrative, I find that there's still there's still a lot that's missing. And I'm concerned that that that there's a still this slight of hand to take us away from looking at what really matters. And I think that the food, like what you're talking about food and and, you know, I've interviewed Dane Wiggington, for instance, on geoengineering. Like, to me, those are the the ticking time bombs.
Seth Holehouse:Those are the things that are so detrimental. Those are things that could collapse the population. And so with it, I'll I'll throw a quick, you know, kind of just personal note on this is I know that you're from Ohio, and you probably grew up maybe did eating Graters ice cream. Right? So Graters for us was a household name.
Seth Holehouse:We always had Graters. And I remember looking recently and seeing that they use bioengineered ingredients in their ice cream. And I always thought Graters is this little local, you know, French pot style ice cream in small batches. It's like they're using bioengineered stuff in there. It's like, like I was feeding my daughter graters every once in a while.
Seth Holehouse:It's like, gosh, no way. So so you think that even with this whole discussion of disease X and everything that obviously there's various threats and vectors are trying to, you know, kill us with, but that fundamentally, say we need a food revolution, like you're saying it fundamentally, instead of saying, I'm not gonna get the vaccine. Okay, you've checked the first box. But you need to say, I'm gonna buy from my local farmer. I'm gonna stop buying, you know, processed foods.
Seth Holehouse:I'm gonna stop buying foods from these few giant companies like Unilever and Mars Corporation that are killing us. Is that is that where you're really getting to this that actually that
Speaker 2:food is so important? That's the first step on the bigger scale. That's on the macro scale of really knowing where your produce and where your your hamburger meat and where your your stuff comes from and growing locally. And, you know, I interviewed Renette Senham, who is who started an organization called saveourskies.org. And she is, you know, talking about all the stuff that's in the jet fuels.
Speaker 2:And we talked about what do we do? How do we keep, you know, if we're not gonna, you know, we're getting water filters and we're gonna grow locally. How do we protect ourselves from this all this stuff coming out of the sky? And I thought that one of it was such a simple idea, but it was so brilliant when she said, get the things we have to start doing things in co ops. You know, we can't just do it on our own.
Speaker 2:We can't be the lone ranger. You have to do it on a community basis or a bigger family basis or something like that. And the first thing that you you can if you can find a little piece of land, a little tiny little piece of land that maybe all of you can invest in and put up a greenhouse so that you're growing your produce without the stuff falling out of the sky. And if possible, get filtered or better type of water. And you can do it if, you know, depending on where you are, that you can do it at least in the summertime.
Speaker 2:If it's you like like us living in in Ohio, you can at least do that in the summer. But if you're in more moderate states, you can have that all year round. You can have shared responsibilities of whose whose day of the week is it to come in and and pick the pick the vegetables or to plant them or to water them or to fertilize them or whatever you do about, you know, like raising those things up. Because that can keep you from getting this showering of all this stuff that's coming out of the skies. And so I thought that that was a great solution for people to start thinking about is doing things together as a collective.
Speaker 2:It saves you time. It saves you money. You can't do the whole thing by yourself. And it's also sort of reuniting a sense of community of being able to do things with our food. Because if we don't have good food and we don't have clear purified water and air that we can breathe, I mean, what is there?
Speaker 2:You know, they wanna take the carbon dioxide out of our air. I mean, really? And nitrogen? I mean, do these people ever go go through high school chemistry class? I mean, you know, it's like, it's bad enough talking to the, you know, the the the global warming people and all these things that are happening that it's bad enough, you know, for that because there's opposite sides to that.
Speaker 2:Just like what you said, there's a lot of different things. But like buying the Kool Aid about, you know, getting rid of carbon the car carbon footprint, killing off all of our plants, getting rid of our nitrogen, which will kill off all of our plants. So it's sort of like what you started by saying when we started this discussion, Seth, about we're killing off all these people up here. We don't wanna fill up the pot at the bottom, but because of the fertility rate, They're also trying to kill us from our air water and our food. So it's our collective way to fight back.
Seth Holehouse:Such an important point. So Doctor. Tenpenny, where can people follow you? I know we've pulled up your sub sack, right, which, which I showed a few different times. I'll make sure these links are in the description.
Seth Holehouse:This is Doctor. Tenpini. Substack dot com.
Speaker 2:And that one that one gets released every Saturday. And it's, know, I call it eye on the evidence because it's really much more scientifically based. And really on you know, I pick a topic and take a take a deep dive, and I link in, like, like, articles from PubMed and, you know, nature and things like that. So it's much more scientific. That gets released on Saturday.
Speaker 2:And then on Sunday, I do one that's called Tenpenny Walk with God. It's my spiritual giveback time that sometimes I think I write it more for me, you know, to really keep myself on task and on path with my with my spirituality. But that gets released every Sunday morning. And then on Tuesday, we do morning coffee with doctor T that gets posted on the Substack. I put on Monday night my Friday on TV show, the Tempenny Files on Thursday there.
Speaker 2:And on Wednesday, we're starting a a project that's just just announced today for just for our members only. You know, something a little bit of a give back for people that are willing to support the work that we do. And then our main website is Doctortenpenny.com, you know, Doctortenpenny.com, that one, that's where we have our stores and know for our supplements and apparel and, and please go out and join our web, our email list, We, you know, if you can get it from right there about joining our email list because we put out emails three times a week, Monday, Wednesday, Friday. Monday just sort of tells you what's coming up for the week. You know who the guests are and my all my subs all my all my podcasts that I do.
Speaker 2:Wednesday is an educational day that we put a lot of articles that I wrote and other guests people write. And on Friday, it's called Friday favorites, and we have special deals for supplements and apparel things and joining things. And I'm so proud of my staff that puts these things together, and they're just freaking beautiful. And I always tell people, please just just join our newsletter and open it up and take a look at it. Even if you don't read or you don't buy, just take a look and appreciate all of that hard work that went into doing that.
Speaker 2:That would mean a lot to me.
Seth Holehouse:Wonderful. Well, you certainly give a lot to people and thank you for giving us this time. It's been just I thought we could keep going for hours and we'll have to do more of these. But it's just it's wonderful to finally have you on the show.
Speaker 2:Well, thank you so much. It's been a pleasure. I hope that that we can do this again sometime. So thank you so much.
Seth Holehouse:Of course. Thank you. Alright, folks. I hope you enjoyed that interview. I've now got a really important and actually pretty brief discussion with Kirk Elliott about some very significant news that happened this past week as it relates to banks and the manipulation of the prices of precious metals.
Seth Holehouse:So enjoy this interview. Kirk, it's good to have you on as usual. How are doing?
Todd Callender:I am doing awesome. It's great to see you.
Seth Holehouse:Thank you. Thank you. So we were chatting a little bit before we started recording, and you've obviously okay. We've both been talking about precious metals for quite some time. That is your it's your life, but there's been something very significant that just has happened as it relates to precious metals and an indicator that is tied to the manipulation of precious metal prices, which is something we've talked about.
Seth Holehouse:So what's going on?
Todd Callender:So first, let's talk about the manipulation because I hear this all the time. It's like, Kirk, when is manipulation gonna end? Why do they keep manipulating silver? Why do they hate it so much? Right?
Todd Callender:Well, they don't hate silver, they being the big banks. So to put it into perspective, to kind of explain the backdrop of this story, a few years ago, BlackRock bought the silver ETF, SLV, from State Street. And when State Street had it, it was HSBC was the custodian of the physical silver that was basically backing up those ETF shares. So when BlackRock bought them, they dumped HSBC and said, we want JP Morgan Chase. So interesting side note, JP Morgan Chase, the year before, had got hit with a $900,000,000 fine for lying about number of ounces that they have under custodianship.
Todd Callender:It's like, what in the world? Why would they want to hire the crooks? Right? It's like, why? Well, I think BlackRock's dirty too, right?
Todd Callender:They control the world, right? So you can't have somebody that's clean and complete marriage partnership with you. They'd be unequally yoked, so to speak. So they had somebody that just as dirty JP Morgan Chase, right? And got caught with their hands in the cookie jar lying about the number of ounces.
Todd Callender:So that's what they have. Now, why does JP Morgan is the largest shorter of silver on the planet? So here's the reason why. So let's say you're a business person and you're manufacturing something. Do you want your cost of goods, the things that you need to build a product?
Todd Callender:Do you want them lower or to be high? Well, you want them low, right? So it all impacts your revenue and your profits. So what do they do? Let's say BlackRock issues them an order that says, hey, we need 10,000,000 ounces of silver today.
Todd Callender:We sold all these shares. So what does Chase do? They issue naked short contracts. They don't have to own the physical metal on a naked short. They can just I mean, it's illegal for us to do that, but a big bank, they have the ability to sell something that they don't own.
Todd Callender:It's like, what in what world does that make sense? Well, does when you're a big bank. So they issue naked shorts. That drives the price down because it's selling pressure. Then when the price gets down, they buy all this physical silver.
Todd Callender:And then all that demand for physical silver causes the price to go up. Then they do it again. Say, okay, we're going to issue more short contracts. Boom, price goes down. They buy more physical silver.
Todd Callender:Demand causes the price to go up. This is the vicious cycle of manipulation that we've seen for decades. Right? Okay. So the basis behind manipulation is short contracts.
Todd Callender:So we've had this going on since the beginning of time. I can't remember, and I've been in this industry for twenty nine years, I can't remember a time when big banks or hedge funds have not been shorting silver or gold. And you go back to the price points in the year February, silver was $4.5 an ounce. In 2020, silver was $11.91 And maybe a year and a half ago, fifteen months ago, silver was $17.97 Today, as we record this, it's $22.5 So, dollars 4.5 to 22.5 Well, it's 500% increase. It's insane, right?
Todd Callender:It's a lot. That's over the last twenty years. Last three and a half years, eleven ninety one to $22.50. That's roughly close to 100% gain, averaging over 30% a year. Nobody's going to squawk or complain about those kinds of returns.
Todd Callender:Realize that's with manipulation in the markets, which acts kind of like an anchor. What would it be without manipulation? Through the roof. Right? Which is why you see some economists like, oh, Bixweer, Bull Pony, different people saying or or even usdebtclock.org says with the current money supply, silver should be over $1,100 an ounce.
Todd Callender:And they're saying silver should be in the thousands of dollars an ounce, not 25 where it is today, right? It's actually under that. Well, people, they have algorithms that actually give them those numbers. Here's where this could make sense. In a world without manipulation, silver is just a function of supply and demand and market forces, right?
Todd Callender:There's nothing else holding it down. So if we run out and Sony, Samsung, LG, Tesla are needing to buy it and there's not very much available at COMEX depositories, well, they'll offer any price necessary so they can actually finish up the production of their whatever they're building, a TV, an electric car, whatever, right? So this is the backdrop of where we are. Well, what happened last week? Last week, the number of net short positions in silver by banks decreased by 50% in seven days.
Todd Callender:Fifty, right? So all of the short positions in silver all over the world, half that have taken decades to accumulate, they got rid of half of them in one week.
Seth Holehouse:So basically, if I'm to simplify this, a short position is me saying, hey, Kirk, I'll bet you $10 that apples are gonna be worth less money in a month from now than they are right now. That's kind of like a short position. You're you're betting on the value dropping. So all these banks that have, as you've mentioned, spent decades accumulating all these short positions on silver, which is part of what keeps the price of silver suppressed is all these short positions. You're saying that over the course of the past week that they've that half of those short positions have been pulled out.
Seth Holehouse:So would that mean that these banks are looking at silver thinking something's going to happen and the price of silver is going to go up and my short position will then become a losing position? Is that
Todd Callender:It's exactly what I think is going to happen because if you have a short position and you have to cover those and silver goes up, let's say, per ounce, you just lost money hand over fist. It's not a dollar for dollar move that you lose. Short contracts are leveraged. So it's like multiplied losses. So if you have people unloading, unwinding their short positions, why?
Todd Callender:Because they think that the price is going to go up. That's the only reason you would unwind your short positions. And to do it in that kind of mass, 50% of all net short positions globally are gone in one week. That tells me that the big banks think that silver is going to go through the roof because they have to unwind these or else they lose money hand over fist. Multiplied losses, not just dollar for dollar losses, multiplied losses, and they can't afford that.
Todd Callender:Now, I'm not a technical trader. I'm a fundamental investor, right? So, difference between fundamentals and technicals are this. Fundamentals are what cause a market to go up or down. So for example, what causes stocks and bonds to go up or down?
Todd Callender:Well, if you have raising taxes, raising interest rates, people don't spend money. They don't have enough money to spend. You have inflation, so people can't afford. Those are the fundamental forces that would cause people not to buy. When people don't buy things, profits come down, revenues come down, and stock prices come down.
Todd Callender:Right? So you have the opposite like you had during the Trump and Reagan years, lowering taxes, lowering interest rates, job creation, inflation was held in check. People had a lot of money to spend, and therefore the stock market boomed. Right? So these are the fundamental forces that cause something to move.
Todd Callender:It's usually legislative action of some sort. Okay, same thing with gold and silver. What causes gold and silver to move? Unsustainable debt, inflationary pressures, political conflict, geopolitical conflict. Everything that we're seeing is a propellant to move gold and silver up.
Todd Callender:So you look at that and say, fundamentally, it's there. So technical traders are people that just look at charts. They look at entry points and exit points. And they're usually like day traders. It's like every single penny counts, right?
Todd Callender:Because they're going to be in and out of a position really, really quick. So then I'm not a technical guy because I've never really known one that's actually done well. It's always the fundamental forces that drive everything. That's why I look at that. But I was talking to a technical trader friend of mine yesterday.
Todd Callender:And on the price of silver, there's this, I would call it like a harmonic convergence of price, which is a bunch of fancy algorithms, right? But it says when silver approached 22, there was this harmonic price point that said, this is actually probably the best time over the last numerous years to buy silver. Because you go up and down, up and down, up and down, and then you go down and it tests like this support level. If it goes through that, you're probably going to sink a little bit further. But what does it do at that support level?
Todd Callender:So if it starts going up, it's going to probably act like a trampoline and go through the roof. It's exactly what it did. So yesterday, it's kind of like the landscaper guy always has the worst lawn in the neighborhood because he never has time to actually deal with it, right? Because he's always dealing with somebody else's. That's how I felt yesterday.
Todd Callender:We were so busy. I saw this harmonic price point. It's like, man, silver's like close to 22. I've got to buy a bunch of silver. I ran out of time.
Todd Callender:Didn't do it. So then today I look, oh man, silver's up like $0.39 So it hit that, bounced up like a trampoline. Is it still a good value? Of course, I'm going to buy some today. It's just $0.39 more than what it was yesterday when I wanted to do it, right?
Todd Callender:But here's where it hit that support line, started bouncing up. See, these are what the technical traders look at. So you've got fundamental, technical, all coming together at the same time. Wrap that around with this big bow on this present, which is short positions were cut by 50, meaning whatever the big banks are looking at, whatever they're looking at, they see that silver is going to go through the roof. No other explanation, Seth, as why they would want to unwind 50% of their short positions.
Todd Callender:Because if they have these short positions and the price keeps going down, they make money hand over fist. But they're not keeping them. They don't think that the price of silver is going keep going down. They think it's going to march forward. This is exciting to me.
Todd Callender:When I see these kind of things and this convergence of technical, fundamental, black swan events, things that were not foreseen, which is banks getting rid of 50% of their short positions, it's like, this is like an opportune time. If you've been sitting on the sideline riding this fence, it's like, I would allocate now. I would truly just get in now because, look, don't be like me if I was too busy yesterday to do it, and I had to pay $0.39 more per ounce. This is one of those times where it's like, this is a great time. And whether you wait in silvers a dollar more, almost immaterial to me, because I think this is one of those times where I think it's going to go up rapidly because the manipulation game is 50% less than it was a week ago.
Todd Callender:Right? I think that that manipulation is going away. And markets can then just move with normal market forces, supply and demand when it's needed, when it's not, what the perception is, why is it safe? People are looking at all that stuff in a world where they realize my bank isn't safe. The stock market's overvalued.
Todd Callender:We've got political conflict. We've got wars going on. We don't know what's going to happen. We don't know what's going to happen. And so, boy, this is exciting to me, Seth, because everything that we've been talking about for close to a year now, it's like, all right, the stage is set.
Todd Callender:This is this is really positive news. The most positive news I've ever, ever seen for silver. And I've been doing this since, well, before 02/2002, I started. So it's been a long time.
Seth Holehouse:And it's interesting because we've talked about following you know, seeing what the big banks, the big families through the, you know, the private exchanges, you know, through COMEX, etcetera, what they're doing. And we've seen these trends of more and more big banks, more and more central banks, more and more sovereign banks are stocking up. They're they're buying huge amounts of precious metals, specifically gold, which, you know, silver and gold are very tied together. And so we've been following that, and and that's what it's really been is it's, you know, don't do what Jim Kramer tells you to do. Do what the Rothschilds are doing.
Seth Holehouse:Right? Do what the Vatican's doing. Do what BlackRock is doing. Right? Do what the the Federal Reserve what these these big institutions are doing that they don't tell you about on typical mainstream media.
Seth Holehouse:And so when I see this, it's it's interesting, and that does feel really positive. It's like, yeah. Again, if I you know, if back to the original analogy, if you and I've got this, you know, looking at the price of apples, and apples are $5 an apple, and I'm I'm saying, look, I've I've gotta I've got all this money betting that the price of apples is gonna keep dropping and dropping or stay close to that and, you know, whatever, then I'll keep that money there. I'll keep making money. But if if I have this idea, this feeling, or this insight information that that there's gonna be a drought next year, and apple prices because the drought are gonna triple and go from $5 to $15, I'm gonna pull all my shorts on that apple because I'm not gonna lose all my I'm not gonna lose my shirt on that apple.
Seth Holehouse:So, yeah, it's really the only thing that makes sense is that I believe that the, you these the markets, the price of these things, none of this is just happen chance. It's all controlled. It's manipulated. They know they know when the stock market crash is coming. They know when the prices are gonna go up in in precious metals.
Seth Holehouse:They know they're gonna come down. So this is a big indicator. So if if somebody wants to allocate in the precious metals, specifically silver at this time as we've talked about. So we've we've got a link set up GoldwithSeth.com takes you right here. Now this is actually you've simplified this landing page.
Seth Holehouse:This is great. So they they go here, and what do they do?
Todd Callender:They just fill out their information. It's like, what's your name? What's your phone number? Best time to reach you? Then there's a note field.
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Seth Holehouse:Fantastic. Well, Kirk, thank you for the good news. Thank you for being here today, and I'll catch up with you again next week.
Todd Callender:It's my pleasure.
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