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Where triathlon meets real talk. Hosted by two seasoned triathletes and one Sarah, this podcast takes a deep dive into the controversies, challenges, and triumphs of the triathlete world.
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Lockie
Oh.
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Lockie
Welcome, welcome. Episode 33. Now, the double three of the unfunded podcast. I'm Alan Jones, your host, professional triathlete with good friend light.
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Lleyton
And, well, also a professional triathlete.
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Lockie
I kind of mumbo jumbo that one. We are brought to you by official beer. Yeah. Get your hands on the jersey.
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Lleyton
Like I say is.
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Lockie
Like we said, it's getting into festive time, so, cracking them open. It's been a it's been a weird week, hasn't it? Has it? Well, I mean, looking at these two, but now it looks like it's been,
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Lleyton
What?
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Lockie
We've got a very weird week.
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Lleyton
I know we've kind of converted to people that we've, you know, had questionable thoughts on.
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Lockie
Yeah, actually, kind of the people that have been, with us, you know, sort of from the start. And because looking at both of these things that sort of we've done like, I think us ten months ago, you know, was a.
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Lleyton
Crazy increase stood out.
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Lockie
We would be hiding it like us ten months ago to hate ourselves right now.
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Lleyton
Maybe it's the social media game that we've, come into.
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Lockie
Yeah. I mean.
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Lleyton
I used to bag you out. Out about the social media stuff, but I think it's corrupted me as well.
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Lockie
Yeah. Yeah. So tell me about your week. What have you gotten up to? What have you done, you naughty boy?
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Lleyton
I went to a run club. Oh. No.
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Lleyton
What I don't think is. But as bad as what you did. But. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Okay. Oh. Who's that? Yeah.
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Lleyton
I'll tell you what type of run club it was. Have you heard of the how I sport podcast? Yeah. Of course. Yeah. Okay.
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Lleyton
So they're more like blokey bloke.
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Lleyton
Talk about the cricket and you know sports. That's their thing. So they, they're just like Pharaoh. They're like oh they're like mid 30s. 40s.
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Lockie
They're not, they're not.
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Lleyton
Old but they're just like yeah they're punters. I just have a crack every day. Do, do a bit of running. It's just be a piss take. Anyway, they had a run club on the Gold Coast code. Go is run club or something like that.
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Lockie
But it was it.
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Lleyton
It was a biscuit. So I ride on like hedges, so like they did it. Profile. Yeah. You kind of. If you don't a run club on the gold is going to be on hedges.
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Lockie
I'm pretty sure I the first run club I ever saw was what was that Mega mega on Mega mega run.
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Lleyton
But it was based at Mega Run HQ.
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Lleyton
Biscuit. Right. And then we ran down for like two and a half K back. So it was like proper. Yeah, it was quite funny. They must have like tried to hit the Gold Coast demographic because they brought like some high rocks, influence rain and they were all there. Those they know I don't know some chick.
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Lockie
Fan I couldn't.
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Lleyton
Care less. Okay.
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Lleyton
Anyway then. So that was it's like little group of.
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Lleyton
High rocks is about five of them running. And then those like just like footy blokes. So I went with Joe because you know we like listen to it and whatever. It's just be a piss take. But that was just like 50 or 60 like footy blokes like in their footy tops. Like you know the barrier will go in is shit like that.
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Lleyton
So it was pretty funny. It wasn't like the wrong club demographic that you would think. Yeah. But it was, it was quite funny. It was just like a bit of a piss take.
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Lockie
So yeah, it was just like five k, five k.
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Lleyton
Yep. Five k and at five K, 530.
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Lockie
But you got to start somewhere.
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Lleyton
It was paced by the higher rocks up. Yeah.
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Lockie
Okay. Cool.
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Lleyton
But there was like blokes there in like cricket kits and everything. Like it's just a piss take.
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Lockie
It is almost like, like you got the Mad Monday crew out doing a voice.
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Lleyton
Exactly right. They. Some of these blokes had never on five in their life.
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Lockie
They gasping for air at the end of it.
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Lleyton
There was a bloke having a diary.
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Lleyton
By the way. So that's awesome. Yeah. Like a diary. And they were running next to him. What time is this? Like it start at 6 a.m.. Oh yeah. It's a it's like sequel in character.
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Lleyton
Oh yeah mate. So those are rough units there.
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Lockie
Yeah, it was funny. And he didn't get to see. He's probably fresh from the, not too.
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Lleyton
Happy Alan was there as well. Oh, so it was.
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Lockie
That's the kind of demographic you got there.
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Lleyton
Yeah. So that was the wrong club that I've turned up to. I haven't fully committed.
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Lockie
To be the best one. Yeah.
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Lleyton
Exactly. So I think it was a good show.
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Lockie
Mates all those, like.
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Lleyton
Hedges and actual like.
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Lockie
Like kind of Tulsa ones like that.
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Lleyton
Yeah, but you still had to have the couple of hierarchies with their shirts or.
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Lockie
You got it. You got to write as much of. Yeah. The demographic as you possibly can. So yeah, it's funny because they, we definitely had I think we had a specific episode or segment where we were bagging.
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Lleyton
The hierarchies and the wrong.
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Lockie
Club and the wrong club. So we were literally going like run clubs and this and that, and they doing shit here. And, to be fair, I think we always, always liked.
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Lleyton
The community aspect.
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Lockie
Community aspect and people getting out there and getting fit. Yeah, the only part we didn't like was and they were giving misleading information.
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Lleyton
Online, like selling shitty programs.
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Lockie
Yeah, we were going to this thing where can sell you this program. You've just learned to run yourself. Yeah. You can't be selling them.
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Lleyton
You're running for 40. Yeah. But I mean rest of running 530.
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Lockie
So this doesn't seem like it was anything like that. So that's a that's a run club I can get around.
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Lleyton
So I'll be back at the next one if there's no one.
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Lockie
Oh it sounds oh go ahead. That's awesome. Yeah I'll, I did tell you a bit silly.
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Lleyton
Yeah. Your weekend. I don't think I can actually look at you the same way.
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Lockie
Yeah. See, it's something that I actually I actually said it on the podcast, I think at the start again, when we were, we were talking about the high rock scene in the influencer scene and I said, oh, look, I think I'd, I think I'd win it. I think I'd go there and win it. So I've gone and decided to put my money where my mouth is, and I've entered Melbourne Higher Rocks in three weeks time.
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Lleyton
I can't believe it.
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Lockie
I know.
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Lleyton
The game's gone.
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Lockie
Game's gone. Game's goals game is well and truly. It was so funny. So I, I entered, I entered on the Sunday Sunday night, so I'd actually like had a couple beers and were with some like friends who and my girlfriend and, and they're all going to do it.
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Lleyton
Because rocks in.
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Lockie
Their in their big car rocks. And so I was going there originally just to spectate, just to be there a bit of a weekend. Anyway, they they said like, you know, you should enter, you should enter. And I spoke about it for a while. Yeah, that would give me up massively. And, all of a sudden I've entered.
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Lockie
I'm not just entered, I've entered the pro.
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Lleyton
Category.
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Lockie
And I've put myself in the fastest category as well. So I've gone.
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Lleyton
Well, you got to do it. You've, you've talked the talk, you have to walk the walk.
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Lockie
And you know, I'm giving like obviously I couldn't let this interrupt my triathlon season. So I wasn't going to start doing high rocks training, you know like a month ago. Well, you know, you probably should start if I'm going to do it. I probably should have started at least a month ago. Yeah, I've started this Monday and I've got three weeks.
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Lockie
Okay. I've got three weeks.
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Lleyton
And you got to taper off as well, surely, because you don't want Doms going into this.
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Lockie
I don't want Doms, but at the same time I need as much training as I can get. So I've really hurt myself here because we've obviously finished my last race in Hong Kong. Yeah. Last weekend. Not the way. So you know. Yeah. When this comes. Two weeks ago, I had a full week of being sick. Yeah, I lost about eight kilos.
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Lockie
I got down to, like 68 kilos, which I haven't been since I was about 15 years old. Like light weight, terribly sick. And now I've gone. Well, I've ended this. I need to try get some weight back on, get some muscle back on. And I also need to not lose my run fitness because that is my strength.
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Lockie
Like, hopefully running around 310 pace while everybody else is running 340 pace. So yeah, I'm throwing myself in the deep end. I've started my hierarchs training. I haven't told my coach about it. Hopefully she's not.
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Lleyton
Used to that.
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Lleyton
The hybrid rock star.
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Lockie
But yeah, I will be a hybrid rock star in three weeks time.
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Lleyton
Okay, Will, you'd be disappointed. What will you be disappointed with?
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Lleyton
Or will you like not going there and be disappointed if you get absolutely destroyed by the higher rocks because you're in the pro category? Yeah, you've talked the toll. Yeah. You can't go in there and look stupid. That's probably the worst thing that you could do. And for the whole triathlon community.
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Lockie
Yeah.
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Lleyton
Is to get absolutely flogged.
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Lockie
See, I don't know. I do personally feel like I'm in a win win situation here where like, if I win, I win and I look fucking awesome, right? Because I've done this of three weeks of training or I maybe it's a career move. I mean, or I go in and I get my ass handed to me and I could be like a voice.
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Lleyton
I'm not.
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Lockie
I'm not a rock. So this is a bit of fun for me.
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Lleyton
Okay.
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Lockie
So okay. But at the same time, I think I'm going to know very quick where I stand.
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Lleyton
Yeah, I think you'll be like the first. So what's the activities again.
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Lockie
So I'm going to run a and then I'm going to go and do a ski egg.
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Lleyton
Yep.
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Lockie
So it's ski dog sled push sled pull row the. Yep. Yeah. The rowing machine. And then I can remember this last few orders, but then it's, lunges, burpee broad jumps. Farmer's.
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Lleyton
Carry. Oh, yeah. And then.
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Lockie
Warbles. I can't remember those last ones. The last four. Now what I but I know I end with the warbles and there's A1K run in between h. So apparently it's about like 8 to 9 k's all up of running, which I think I'm going to put, I'm going to probably put like closer to 2 or 3 minutes on them in that running.
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Lockie
Yeah. It's just probably close to three minutes in that all up. How much will I lose in the activity. Yeah I will.
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Lleyton
How long. Yeah. Yeah. You got to lose some time in those activities. Like there's some big some big boys, strong boys throw around some white.
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Lockie
And I know that. Yeah. And I know that I'm really I know I'm going to lose time there. But is it going to. Am I going to lose more time than what I gain in the run?
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Lleyton
How many minutes on average other activities.
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Lockie
Around like 2 to.
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Lleyton
3. So it's comparative to the road.
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Lockie
So less like more like 3 or 4. I think it's I mean, I personally think it's there's only one activity that got close to four minutes.
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Lleyton
Okay.
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Lockie
And a lot of these top guys are running like three 4340.
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Lleyton
So it's like relative to the run to the exercise. Yeah. So if they put 30s on you in the exercise which could happen, you need to put 30s back on the run which could happen.
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Lockie
So I think it actually can be pretty exciting. I do honestly think.
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Lleyton
It's like a live stream.
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Lockie
Maybe I think it's actually on stand. Oh.
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Lleyton
That's big time.
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Lockie
So you actually I'm, I think I might be on something else. I might be thinking about something else. Maybe it could be how it could be on and I hope not.
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Lleyton
So you can add to the list.
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Lleyton
Professional triathlete and professional hierarchies.
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Lockie
So I've done.
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Lleyton
This in Melbourne. This is my year. My name is Lachlan.
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Lleyton
Jones and I'm a professional Hardrock.
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Lockie
So this is my year of kind of just going like doing some side quests here. I did a half marathon, which I've never done before, and that went pretty well.
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Lleyton
Festival running now, festival run on.
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Lockie
So I've got a half marathon, I've got a 106 half marathon, my name, I've got a couple of Australian podiums to my name in the trough on, and then hopefully Australian High Rocks team.
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Lleyton
Is that, is it a.
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Lleyton
Australian Championships I.
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Lockie
Doubt it. Oh I mean maybe Melbourne one's pretty big so I don't know if they have an Australian champs. We'll find out. Honestly I just threw my hat in the ring literally two days ago okay. I've done two sessions. We need more info. Light. And actually we saw a double quickly before we move on lighting. I saw started at the coffee shop just before and he's like as the legs, big fella grabbed me.
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Lleyton
And I jumped out of my seat. I was like, do not touch my quads right now. Give them a little squeezy. No.
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Lockie
Honestly, I, I've, I have not experienced Doms like this obviously, cause I ended on the Sunday and I'm proper panicked. I'm going. Yeah, squats, weights.
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Lleyton
Yeah.
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Lockie
I'm doing everything and I'm so sore right now.
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Lleyton
Yeah. It's not fun.
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Lockie
Anyway, like we've said, we've completely turned in the people. We've turned into the people that we said we never would. And we're completely corrupted right now anyway.
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Lleyton
We'll move on. Maybe next year we'll go back to straight one. Yeah. Triathletes.
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Lockie
Okay. Maybe, before that. So as we are kind of nearing the end of the season, we'll go back to the triathlon related stuff. The stuff we're actually here to talk about. We are nearing the end of the racing season. Not a lot of racing left. I think there's a couple tailwind, hundreds. I don't think there's any World Cups.
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Lockie
I think I think we're basically at the.
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Lleyton
End there's like one, two, 100 and I think that's it. Yeah.
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Lockie
We're going to go back to our roots this episode, and we're going to discuss a bit more of an educational piece, educational sort of content, I guess, sort of thing. Offseason training. All right. As we're coming into it, how does it differ from your normal in-season training, and what are some of the reasons that it is so important?
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Lockie
And what are the struggles that come with offseason training?
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Lleyton
Yeah, like planning a proper off season. Yeah. Exactly where both in the offseason now. Yeah I've kind of been in a longer than you, but I feel as if there's, I wouldn't really call an offset. There's like two seasons in truffle, there's racing season and then there's off season, which isn't off season. It's just kind of base building.
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Lleyton
That's how I would see different.
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Lockie
It's a different training strategy. Yeah, really like a different, stimulus. You're doing two different things. Yeah.
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Lleyton
Really I.
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Lockie
Think like, and I think where it differs compared to most is I think the key thing is the time off between what your lost like when you start your no training to when you start training again. How long we have two weeks.
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Lleyton
Yeah. It's about two weeks off of nothing. Yeah. It's completely nothing. Yeah I was swimming around. No running.
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Lockie
But like you compare that to anybody playing like a team sport. Anybody in athletics, anybody in like surf life saving. Like they're having like two months off.
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Lleyton
Yeah. Exactly three months.
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Lockie
On. Like I told, I told, some friends that I was having lunch with on the weekend. That. Oh, like, you're an offseason. How long are you having? I'm like, oh, I, I go back December 1st. Yeah. Like that's next week. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've already had a week off. It's two.
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Lleyton
Weeks. Oh yeah. So maybe you frame it as like your time off. Yeah. That's your time. That's off season.
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Lockie
Yeah. Yeah I, I do right off and then like again build back. It's build back. You slowly build back and again it's in the season. So cut yourself a bit of slack. Yeah. But I think like how, how you would sort of frame it is it's the offseason is building your engine that's going to take you through the racing season.
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Lleyton
I was actually it's your base. You don't really have enough time throughout the racing season to get fit. You should be fit by the time you get there, and then you tune yourself up when you're racing. Yeah, that how you would throw it.
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Lockie
In 100%, be like like use it like like building a genuine, genuine engine that's going to last you a full year in the sport. Yeah. It's not going to take a full weight block. It takes a good I've had my best seasons of 3 to 4 months of off season, and you're just doing for anywhere from 4 to 6 week blocks of just long, boring aerobics hours.
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Lockie
Yeah, like nothing crazy. Obviously you'll have some specific stuff in there just to keep your mind ticking over, but it's boring as shit.
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Lleyton
Yeah, it's just monotonous. After a couple weeks ago. Oh, yeah, I'm back into it. After you've done your little build back up from your two week break, you build back up and it kind of trickles away and you can still do a couple other things, but then the L start to build. That's how many weeks of just big hours, boring hours.
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Lockie
How do you personally tackle I can all season like what would an offseason look for me personally like if we're going to go like obviously we can give a broad description of what it is for everyone. But for you personally, what do you do in an off season that's different than last year?
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Lleyton
I kind of stopped racing late in the year. Yeah, which kind of felt like I didn't have a big offseason, which I mean, I don't think that helped me throughout the year. This year, I feel as if I kind of just petered off, painted off, petered off.
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Lockie
When was your last race? Sorry?
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Lleyton
Last year. Yeah. Like September? Yeah. Kind of September. Yeah. So then it was like September. I got back from Europe in October and that was November, December, January start racing. It started Feb. Yeah. Which wasn't enough.
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Lockie
It's tough for the Aussies. Aussies and Kiwis have it tough when we do have to come back a lot early.
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Lleyton
But then my. So I feel as if I'm a bit weird because the last couple seasons it's been either racing light or injured in off season, which I think has actually benefited me where it's going. Cut your racing short and then it's unfortunately injured and then it's build back, build back, build back. And I think that slow build is obviously I've had 2 to 6 weeks off of like not much.
00;16;07;07 - 00;16;28;13
Lleyton
And then it's build, build build build build. But I think when I've got injured it's been the best time to get injured because it's like okay stop reset. Yeah. And that's a build back. I think that's the build back. And then not racing until February at least, or March. Yeah. So it's just a long slow build and it's because of getting injured.
00;16;28;13 - 00;16;37;23
Lleyton
I think it's taking slower when you take it a lot slower than what you would if you were straight back into it. And like, you don't really have what have you two weeks before.
00;16;37;23 - 00;16;38;02
Lockie
Slow.
00;16;38;02 - 00;16;39;20
Lleyton
Down. Yeah. It's a full slow down.
00;16;39;24 - 00;16;59;20
Lockie
Sometimes I think you might need that anyway to kind of be like, all right, look, there was clearly something going wrong and you've you've spoken about like that on the podcast. You were clearly doing something wrong. Clearly something wasn't like, yeah, going right. Injuries don't just doesn't happen. Yeah. I think I think that's a big thing that people got to realize is that you might be whether it's consciously or subconsciously.
00;16;59;20 - 00;17;01;06
Lockie
Injuries don't just happen.
00;17;01;07 - 00;17;03;23
Lleyton
I don't unless you've fallen off your bike. Exactly.
00;17;03;23 - 00;17;19;29
Lockie
Unless it's something like something like that, a stress related injury or something that doesn't just happen. There's something, whether it's you, you're technically wrong, like techniques wrong, you're overloading you. There's stress in some part of the area, something is going wrong, and you need to look at the big picture and go, what is going wrong?
00;17;19;29 - 00;17;20;20
Lleyton
And I think that.
00;17;20;20 - 00;17;25;21
Lockie
So I just go, I'm a, I have bad luck. Yeah. No you don't. I'm sorry. There is something that is going wrong and.
00;17;25;21 - 00;17;37;00
Lleyton
I think that's probably. Yeah. So you take that time to figure out what you've done wrong and then it's okay. Reassess with your coach and build back slow. It's just a slow Peter. Back like with everything. So I've been injured.
00;17;37;01 - 00;17;38;07
Lockie
This is when you're coming off an injury.
00;17;38;07 - 00;18;01;21
Lleyton
Yeah yeah yeah. But even I think going into next year. Yeah. It would be take two weeks off, figure it out and build it back. As if not that you've been injured because you can have a high volume when you come back. Yeah, but slowly build it back up exactly the same. And have a longer extended period of time of like six months or five months of building base.
00;18;01;21 - 00;18;02;12
Lockie
So yeah.
00;18;02;14 - 00;18;03;27
Lleyton
Yeah, I think.
00;18;03;28 - 00;18;28;23
Lockie
I agree with you to an extent of like if you're injured. Yes, that's clearly the right way to go with this. Slowly, slowly coming back. I think if you're not injured you are able to obviously come back quicker quickly. Yeah. Especially if it is a robot loading like understand what your body like. Everybody's different. I'm very fortunate where you know Touchwood I don't I've never had a stress related injury and I've, I've never had one.
00;18;28;25 - 00;18;55;07
Lockie
So like oh I can probably come back quicker then build it back. Other people, you know, I, I've run consecutive 90 kilometer weeks for God knows how long. Some people can't do that. Yeah. And like that's you just got to know what works for you and what doesn't work for you. I think, like, and one thing that I've again, I've spoken about this on the podcast before that I love, I love to do, after sort of that two week block.
00;18;55;07 - 00;19;12;14
Lockie
And I think that I think that two weeks completely off is so imperative, like so, so, so impaired. I've had I've had like seasons where I've come back from Europe or whatnot, and I've come off highs and I've gone I'm just buzzing off this like I think when I won Hong Kong last year, yeah, came back and I was like, I don't want to stop.
00;19;12;15 - 00;19;27;15
Lockie
I just want to keep going. I'm gonna I'm going to roll right now, like, let's go. And I had one week off. The second week I got told I could do bits and pieces. I basically and like a 15 hour week, like bits and pieces, just because I was so eager to get into it. And I did kind of get to like February, March.
00;19;27;15 - 00;19;44;11
Lockie
And I was like, I'm tired now. Like I've just gone four months of like big, big. And it was again, perfect off season. But I was mentally tired. So like, even if physically ready. And I actually spoke to Aspen Anderson on the weekend about this and she was mentally like, she was she was wanting to come back. Yeah.
00;19;44;12 - 00;20;05;19
Lockie
But her support staff around her actually said, no, take a toll on you having two weeks, having a full to it. I think she had three weeks. Like it's going to be a big season the next year especially is all these again. Yeah. So don't come back too early. I so off that I love to use the off season to do a lot of testing.
00;20;05;24 - 00;20;07;05
Lockie
So like that's something that I've loved.
00;20;07;05 - 00;20;08;18
Lleyton
Yeah. You've done that for a couple of years.
00;20;08;18 - 00;20;27;14
Lockie
I've done that for a few years now and I find it so beneficial. Takes the guesswork out of everything you do. So you obviously can't do testing straight away. Yeah. So like I'll essentially come back, have two weeks completely off of my head, then anything and then come back again. It'll probably do. I'll probably do like a four week build block just again.
00;20;27;14 - 00;20;41;23
Lockie
When you do nothing for two weeks it's hard. So I for Wakefield block probably get maybe close to like my peak K's have a week and then I'll have another week. Where I come back, I'll do one week and then the week after that is when I'll do all my tests.
00;20;41;23 - 00;20;43;10
Lleyton
So it's about a six week.
00;20;43;11 - 00;21;03;14
Lockie
Yeah. Build five six and then that seventh, seven, seventh week. That's that's when I'll start to do my testing. Because you don't want to do your testing like when you're super unfair because the point the numbers are all inaccurate. So, yeah, I love and we do a lot of for me, it's not really the VO2 Max testing because that's not super important during an off season.
00;21;03;17 - 00;21;08;21
Lockie
I do a lot of, like, sub like, sub threshold testing, so. Yeah.
00;21;08;23 - 00;21;09;19
Lleyton
So you lactate.
00;21;09;22 - 00;21;24;24
Lockie
You're literally going from anaerobic jog to, like, what you essentially go, like, say my run one, for example, eight five minute is starting at five minute pace. The last one is at three minute pace. So you're going through a full range of.
00;21;24;26 - 00;21;25;27
Lleyton
Paces, paces.
00;21;25;27 - 00;21;41;21
Lockie
And you're, you're finding the LT1 spike, the L2 spike. You're finding your general your your realistic aerobic zone. So I know when I'm going on a road bike ride, even I know that my heart rate can't get over a certain BPM. Yeah, because if I'm over that, I'm then in the tempo zone.
00;21;41;21 - 00;21;50;20
Lleyton
And is that straight off all base aerobics training you go into that testing session. Yeah. Or will you do a couple of those spot like.
00;21;50;26 - 00;21;51;04
Lockie
Within.
00;21;51;08 - 00;21;51;18
Lleyton
I'll.
00;21;51;18 - 00;22;08;09
Lockie
Do some like sort of tempo threshold stuff. But it's not nothing really. It's just to sort of semi suppress the heart. Right. Yeah. Really. So that I'm not going off a super like fresh. And then all of a sudden my numbers are saying your aerobics zone is 150 hot. Right. Well it's no it's just because I just had two weeks of doing nothing.
00;22;08;09 - 00;22;29;04
Lockie
Yeah. Just watch like that. So yeah, it's just to sort of get in the groove a little bit before you start doing it. Pre-season testing. So also to do that I guess probably around like December time, like probably mid December, I'll probably start trying to do that. And then I'll retest basically two months later, then we'll retest.
00;22;29;04 - 00;23;01;06
Lockie
And then we have about another month before we start start racing. I'm also a bit different. I don't know how what your take is on this where and I specifically remember doing it this year especially. And again this is like this is different for Australians but not really worrying too much about any race specific training. Like for me personally, I would usually say that my off season training finishes around like March, April, and that's when I start to go into more race specific stuff, like still sort of dabble in a bit of race specific stuff, but like.
00;23;01;08 - 00;23;03;06
Lleyton
Not really the sport.
00;23;03;06 - 00;23;21;14
Lockie
The sport's European based. Yeah, like let's be real, the real racing. And to get points and to get like somewhere in the you have to be performing over in Europe. Yeah. I like I sort of showed it this year. I got two Australian podiums, podiums. And then I went over to Europe and I didn't race too well. It did nothing for me.
00;23;21;14 - 00;23;44;14
Lockie
Yeah, those two podiums at the start of the year, I didn't medal realistically. So, yeah, I, I would sort of suggest to anybody, it's such a long season, you don't want to be starting your super high end anaerobic race specific stuff in December, January. Yeah. It's tricky if you're a junior. Yeah. And there's selection races.
00;23;44;14 - 00;23;56;22
Lleyton
And there's so many points that you get in Oceania. Like I think now for next season 2026, what is starting to be racing in March. Yeah, March mid-March and then.
00;23;56;22 - 00;23;58;26
Lockie
But then when the World Championships is in October.
00;23;58;27 - 00;23;59;27
Lleyton
Yeah. So you.
00;23;59;27 - 00;24;13;26
Lockie
Can't sustain. Yeah. Like people like genuinely having to have mid-season breaks now with having a week off. Yeah. Because you can't start doing race specific stuff in February, March and going all the way to October.
00;24;13;27 - 00;24;17;09
Lleyton
Yeah, exactly. Because you racing what, every month on the month pretty much.
00;24;17;09 - 00;24;37;00
Lockie
Yeah. Probably you do more. They probably more than more. Yeah. For the one one race a month. So yeah it's it's so tricky. And I think this is also why we're starting to see such an increase in injuries, especially in young athletes, because young athletes that aren't being guided correctly, they're just going out and they're excited and they're just thinking, we're going to go, go, go, go, go.
00;24;37;06 - 00;24;58;19
Lockie
Otherwise we'll be left behind. Yeah. And we've had a disgusting amount of injuries this year. We've already spoken about it on the podcast before. Yeah. We need to sort of have a bit more education and maybe come in, especially if you're a younger athlete. My I guess bit of advice for you would be sit down with a professional, figure out, like whether you're your coach, whether it's the team around you, what are your you always have an A to be.
00;24;58;22 - 00;24;59;23
Lleyton
Race on the race. Yeah.
00;24;59;24 - 00;25;07;03
Lockie
Well chance at the end of the year. That's the race. Qualification for that race. That should be race. Yeah. What fits around that.
00;25;07;10 - 00;25;22;27
Lleyton
Yeah. Where are you going to have a rest period. Yeah. Where is it? Build block. Yeah I think that's probably the most important thing, in that let's say two week break to the first four weeks of training is figuring out what are you going to do with your coach in the season. Yeah. What are you going to do?
00;25;22;27 - 00;25;42;01
Lleyton
What's your goal? Because after the mental refresh of two weeks, you've probably forgot about like obvious races or good races. Yeah. Clean slate. And you're thinking about the new season. It doesn't matter what you've done last season, it's all about this next season. And then sitting down and planning out, okay, we're having a rest now. We're building back.
00;25;42;04 - 00;26;02;21
Lleyton
This is how many weeks blah, blah. And then let's say we've got a we have two races, qualification races at the start of the year, which most people do, and our world champs are in October, or where are we going to have another little break or yeah, another block of training. I think that we've talked about like the periodization of training before, so we don't really need to get into that.
00;26;02;21 - 00;26;06;15
Lleyton
But I think sitting down and planning within your offseason is such a big thing.
00;26;06;19 - 00;26;19;25
Lockie
And a good and a good coach will understand that. I finished my race and Tong Yong and Nona came up to me and she was just like, gave me a hug. And I was like, I quit, knows I'm done. I hate this sport. She was like, not.
00;26;19;28 - 00;26;20;17
Lleyton
Do a two.
00;26;20;17 - 00;26;29;12
Lockie
Weeks. So that's a that's all you looking at two weeks, two weeks off I'll be doing you get back. Yeah. And I was like, all right, cool. Obviously you go home. You're not going to quit. No.
00;26;29;15 - 00;26;30;22
Lleyton
You got to keep going. You gotta keep.
00;26;30;22 - 00;26;36;00
Lockie
Going. I want to get a couple more races in, like before I quit. It's like. Like, you know, we'll sit down.
00;26;36;00 - 00;26;38;08
Lleyton
You need more than. Yeah, yeah. Just that.
00;26;38;11 - 00;26;52;22
Lockie
Exactly. So it's like, no, go. Have you two weeks. We'll sit down and then we'll plan the next year. Yeah. And then obviously we've got our own goals and like yeah it's coming up three years now. But like how do we then where do we go from here. What can what can we do. What can you do?
00;26;52;29 - 00;27;14;14
Lockie
I think another big thing that I sort of saw a lot of people doing is to bigger blocks into, racing. So like I saw, I know a couple of the juniors who decided not to go, overseas. They sort of finished because the last race is really April. So yeah, that would have like a week or two off in April and then like, oh yeah, I'm having my mid-season break in April.
00;27;14;14 - 00;27;15;25
Lockie
Yeah. And then all of a sudden it's.
00;27;15;25 - 00;27;19;09
Lleyton
Like starting in May, June, July, August, September.
00;27;19;09 - 00;27;19;27
Lockie
October.
00;27;20;00 - 00;27;23;01
Lleyton
Tober. That's too long. That's nearly six months.
00;27;23;05 - 00;27;41;04
Lockie
I just personally think to have like you probably think because realistically, you're not going to have a full month. What are you going to do, a four month ice block? Yeah. Into a two month race specific. Like it's too much time training, like there is too much time there and I understand. But like there are races that you can do.
00;27;41;06 - 00;27;52;22
Lockie
Yeah. Around that you can just stop and not I understand that extend try extend that season, add a little bit, race a couple Asian races, race a couple local races, like extend that.
00;27;52;24 - 00;27;55;26
Lleyton
Yeah. Race. Look then have you break and then go, yeah.
00;27;55;26 - 00;28;05;27
Lockie
You're in like June-July time. And then I think because that's when I've always had my off season break, I usually have my off season break over in Europe, and then I'll sort of have a second half to my European. Yeah.
00;28;05;28 - 00;28;18;18
Lleyton
Yeah. You kind of, you've been over to Europe. That's kind of within your program. All for the loss. Have my years. Yeah. Kind of finish that Australian season. Don't you have like a break for a week? No. No to Europe. No.
00;28;18;18 - 00;28;35;00
Lockie
I actually I continue on that block into my first couple of European races. So the last couple of years I've, I've sort of gone over to Europe, either raced sort of straight away or I'll do like a race on the way, whether it's over in Asia, over in, you know, we went to breakfast in like a couple of years ago.
00;28;35;00 - 00;28;42;08
Lockie
So something on the way, a couple races just like to keep the momentum from the Australian season and then have a break over there and,
00;28;42;11 - 00;28;43;11
Lleyton
Get back into it and.
00;28;43;11 - 00;28;45;24
Lockie
Then get back into it. Have a bit of like a six week block and.
00;28;45;24 - 00;28;47;20
Lleyton
Then race on the way back home.
00;28;47;22 - 00;29;07;03
Lockie
Yeah, essentially coming back home race and then come home from, from there. Yeah. So yeah. Again, like we said, it's a good time to sort of sit down. If you're into the testing, you have you plan testing, if you're if you've got the right coach, you sit down and you'll essentially plan the year ahead. Yeah, essentially.
00;29;07;05 - 00;29;15;07
Lockie
And I think that kind of goes in like kind of the next, next topic is like more have you ever ignored like offseason recovery?
00;29;15;13 - 00;29;36;14
Lleyton
I think personally, like looking back, you know, I think of seasons. Great. Time for reflection. Yeah, I, I think I'll do that this year. Yeah. To be honest, I didn't take a two week break. Yeah. I was like, you know, when you get in your head and you're like, oh, I need to do this. Yeah, this is how I'm going to improve off the back of a couple of races.
00;29;36;15 - 00;29;43;20
Lleyton
Yeah, yeah, okay. This is what I need to do. I'm going to run. Yeah. And I just ran run, ran and ran and ran myself into the ground. Yeah.
00;29;43;20 - 00;29;53;10
Lockie
Pretty much I also think like the and I mean like we're not going to like everybody's a everybody's the same. They go off season. Let's go.
00;29;53;10 - 00;29;54;04
Lleyton
Party.
00;29;54;06 - 00;30;08;11
Lockie
Well oh yeah we're like we're not. No. Nobody's kidding themselves here. Like we're professional athletes. And I can tell you right now every single countryman, every single person from every single country, they're doing the same thing. They're on the dance floor. They're drinking few too many vodka Red Bulls, and.
00;30;08;13 - 00;30;09;01
Lleyton
They live.
00;30;09;03 - 00;30;21;20
Lockie
JK lagers. And you go to bed 2 to 3 weeks of that and then I think you go, fuck that, I'm done. I'm no pod anymore. I'm back into training and you rush back in because you're like, you've kind of had these huge high parties and you're like, it's not all it's cracked up to be.
00;30;21;21 - 00;30;22;18
Lleyton
Yeah, it's pretty shit.
00;30;22;18 - 00;30;34;05
Lockie
Three weeks, I'm hung over, I'm tired, I've got no money, and let's go back into training. And then you sort of rush back into it. Yeah. Like it's not a race in the United.
00;30;34;08 - 00;30;35;21
Lleyton
To get back into it. I agree.
00;30;35;22 - 00;30;45;24
Lockie
It's not a race, Lisa, if you want to like, trust me, like we've just said, we're the first people to put a hand up and say we love a party. Yeah, we will. Like, don't feel guilty.
00;30;45;24 - 00;30;48;19
Lleyton
About going out, about going out to be having to.
00;30;48;21 - 00;30;54;07
Lockie
Let your hair down. You're human. You're allowed to be human. Even though you're professional athletes. You can be human.
00;30;54;09 - 00;31;07;06
Lleyton
All right. I think anything you need to do that. Yeah, yeah. Otherwise, as you said, you might you probably get to February when you need to be locked in a racing UK 000.
00;31;07;06 - 00;31;10;29
Lleyton
Is that it going out for being silly to go out like.
00;31;11;05 - 00;31;17;09
Lleyton
Yeah. It's like not, not the time or the place to go, you know, have, have you found that you need to have.
00;31;17;11 - 00;31;32;19
Lockie
Pick and choose your times lock in when you need to lock in. Have you found when you're allowed to have your fun? Yeah. All right. And any any successful athlete will say that like I don't I don't we're going to we're going to cut the bullshit of like yeah professional mindset all the time. Locked in 24 seven because it just.
00;31;32;19 - 00;31;42;03
Lleyton
Doesn't it doesn't work. You know, especially as I mean we can probably agree is 20 mid 20 year old males. You need to go have a few beers with the boys. If I.
00;31;42;03 - 00;31;44;03
Lockie
Had a wife it'd would be very very.
00;31;44;03 - 00;31;44;14
Lleyton
Different.
00;31;44;14 - 00;31;57;20
Lockie
Yeah, I would understand if you're growing up like what are you doing at the club? Yeah, exactly. Like you know, we don't have, we don't have that. So let loose so that when the time comes, when, you know. So the end of December, it's also Christmas and New Year's.
00;31;57;20 - 00;31;59;01
Lleyton
Yeah. Everything goes on. Yeah.
00;31;59;07 - 00;32;04;19
Lockie
Exactly. So I sort of give myself around like to, mid-June and then from mid-June on.
00;32;04;19 - 00;32;07;18
Lleyton
It's like, yeah, it's come light switches year and stuff. Yeah. You're in the.
00;32;07;18 - 00;32;15;01
Lockie
Position. Yeah. That being said, I don't want people thinking we go out and party every single weekend because we don't. I actually think we have yet.
00;32;15;02 - 00;32;18;06
Lleyton
No, we haven't done anything all year.
00;32;18;07 - 00;32;20;18
Lleyton
We actually have something boring.
00;32;20;18 - 00;32;24;11
Lockie
I, we have been, but we we basically are acting like we've got to watch and get it on.
00;32;24;14 - 00;32;25;26
Lleyton
No. Fucking no.
00;32;25;29 - 00;32;30;13
Lockie
Oh, God. It's changed. Oh, we'll have to fix that. We'll go out this weekend. Should fine.
00;32;30;15 - 00;32;36;24
Lleyton
Bugger twisted my god damn that juicy lager, right? Yeah. It looks good.
00;32;36;27 - 00;32;40;20
Lleyton
No, no, we're locked in a little horror training.
00;32;40;23 - 00;32;46;24
Lockie
But, yeah, I think that's. And I think that's the big the big thing. Listen to your body. Yeah.
00;32;46;24 - 00;33;06;23
Lleyton
If. Yeah. When you need that time off. Have that time off and you might need it. You might want to keep training after your season. And that might be a good thing to finish training. You know, keep training for a couple weeks after you finish your race, walk to get to an appropriate time to have a break and have two weeks off and then build back from there.
00;33;06;25 - 00;33;13;28
Lockie
I also like to, like because obviously off season training can be very boring, like it's very long and just sort of.
00;33;14;00 - 00;33;14;09
Lleyton
Every.
00;33;14;10 - 00;33;20;15
Lockie
Week maybe include some different things like go for a man bike ride instead, like.
00;33;20;18 - 00;33;21;08
Lleyton
A game of golf.
00;33;21;08 - 00;33;24;21
Lockie
Yeah, literally we were just in a coffee and playing our golf.
00;33;24;24 - 00;33;25;09
Lleyton
Day like.
00;33;25;13 - 00;33;29;02
Lockie
It's okay to just go and do some. It's still active recovery. Yeah.
00;33;29;02 - 00;33;34;16
Lleyton
Like it's doing the ocean swim. So you want to go like yeah. You don't have to be in the pool at 5 a.m..
00;33;34;16 - 00;33;42;17
Lockie
In saying no. I've just sort of said that it is, we are very much just talking about all these here because you think about what you're saying right now.
00;33;42;17 - 00;33;44;10
Lleyton
They're all, they're they're in winter.
00;33;44;11 - 00;33;45;11
Lockie
Go for go for a.
00;33;45;11 - 00;33;46;12
Lleyton
Sports country ski.
00;33;46;13 - 00;33;59;19
Lockie
Go for a ski. I actually I've actually seen a couple I think it was, kind l forgot his first name. The the Austrian. The Austrian. He's a World Series. Okay. That's. You should know him. Hey, you.
00;33;59;19 - 00;34;01;06
Lleyton
Haven't picked him yet, so.
00;34;01;08 - 00;34;10;04
Lockie
Yeah, he, he essentially said, like, almost, almost time for the skis to come back out a little bit for us. So I, I went I went for a surf the other day. I guess that's.
00;34;10;06 - 00;34;11;15
Lleyton
Our version of it. Yeah.
00;34;11;17 - 00;34;17;18
Lockie
So, yeah. Do do something else. Like do something you don't usually get to do a bit of mental recovery, bit of, you know, some different for the body. Yeah.
00;34;17;18 - 00;34;40;01
Lleyton
So yeah. Catch up with you mates that, you know, might not be as, you know, involved in triathlon like, I think that's also a good, little tip surround yourself with like, let's say you mates from school or you mates from uni that are involved in your. Because it is really refreshing to have you two weeks off and talk to people who aren't involved.
00;34;40;03 - 00;34;42;11
Lleyton
I don't think we've really seen each other in.
00;34;42;14 - 00;34;43;01
Lockie
No.
00;34;43;06 - 00;34;44;28
Lleyton
Besides doing the podcast, to be honest.
00;34;44;28 - 00;34;46;09
Lockie
I think that's such an important.
00;34;46;15 - 00;34;53;29
Lleyton
Just like surround yourself with other people that really don't give a shit about trough. No they don't, because it's not the end of like the world, I think.
00;34;53;29 - 00;34;59;06
Lockie
I think that's also a very good way of not having your whole identity be.
00;34;59;09 - 00;35;00;09
Lleyton
It's like, yeah.
00;35;00;09 - 00;35;30;19
Lockie
Because we've seen it with some of our close friends. Their whole identity is trough on their friend groups, trough on, all they do is trough on. And they really, really struggle to detach themselves from that when that's no longer an option. If it's whether they've just, you know, sort of they're struggling to sort of accept that they have to retire from the sport or move on from the sport, or if they're injured and they're really struggling to know what to do with themselves, because all my friends are triathletes, like, so if they're all training that I can't, then what am I meant to be doing?
00;35;30;19 - 00;35;32;15
Lleyton
Because it's such a big social for us.
00;35;32;19 - 00;35;33;09
Lockie
Yeah, we.
00;35;33;09 - 00;35;37;18
Lleyton
Do enjoy going out and riding with the boys and girls. Yeah, yeah.
00;35;37;18 - 00;35;45;14
Lockie
So it's fun and I think we're both very fortunate where like, you know, I mean, it's not like we're trackside. We've got all these friends, but like, we have friends outside.
00;35;45;14 - 00;35;46;17
Lleyton
Outside of sport. What we.
00;35;46;17 - 00;35;49;21
Lockie
Do. So like you can kind of go in like talk to them just about.
00;35;49;22 - 00;35;52;09
Lleyton
About the footy or whatever like yeah, other.
00;35;52;09 - 00;36;00;22
Lockie
Interests. And I think that's, I think that's super imperative. And I think that's super important to not get so mentally consumed with the pressures of the sport, because.
00;36;00;23 - 00;36;01;21
Lleyton
I have to do and.
00;36;01;21 - 00;36;04;21
Lockie
God, it is so easy. It is so it and I've, I.
00;36;04;21 - 00;36;06;01
Lleyton
Think you've done that before.
00;36;06;01 - 00;36;16;03
Lockie
Like I fell victim 100%. I actually had this conversation with my girlfriend Paige, off the tongue young. And I think it was the first time where I'd become so solely consumed.
00;36;16;05 - 00;36;17;07
Lleyton
With triathlon.
00;36;17;07 - 00;36;37;28
Lockie
With the triathlon. And I think coming back from Europe, it was it was the first year where I spent all my time in Europe with a triathlon squad, in a triathlon household, and then I came back and I, and I moved into this new performance squad with all triathletes. And because I was doing really well and I was progressing really quickly, I didn't really hang out with any of my other schoolmates or like my mates from sort of outside the sport.
00;36;38;00 - 00;36;55;16
Lockie
And I finished trough, I like had a bad race in Tokyo and I just felt like and it was, it was, it was, it was the wording even like page sort of brought it up to me where she said, you're not saying like that was a bad race, you know what I'm saying? The race was shit. You're saying you're shit.
00;36;55;19 - 00;37;18;29
Lockie
And like that you can't be describing yourself like that. Like that's a horrible way. Like just because you had a bad race does not mean you're a bad person. Yeah, like almost getting the physical, your physical ability is so consumed with how you then behave yourself. Yeah. So I think, again, splitting the two. Yeah. You want your own career.
00;37;19;01 - 00;37;24;28
Lockie
You are a separate identity. You are this whole sort of. Yeah. Ecosystem of, you know.
00;37;25;03 - 00;37;25;28
Lleyton
Whatever you have.
00;37;25;28 - 00;37;35;02
Lockie
Yeah, you're you're a surfer. You're a friend to these group, maybe your friend to these group of people. You're also like, we're podcasters. We got a pod. Whether we retired, we can still talk about triathlon.
00;37;35;09 - 00;37;42;28
Lleyton
Exactly right. It's like. Yeah. So I mean, like, let's say triathlons going in the identity of racing. We put a podcast on.
00;37;43;03 - 00;37;45;07
Lockie
Exactly. I still can coach it. I actually talk.
00;37;45;07 - 00;38;00;13
Lleyton
That yesterday with, this is kind of off, off topic, but like with Aaron, like around, mood, just having a laugh and we're talking about a Jack and Aaron guy's Jackie gay getting fucked by two old blokes. Yeah. I said, you know, year old really have a podcast. Yeah.
00;38;00;13 - 00;38;03;27
Lockie
All right mate, you you are 22.
00;38;03;29 - 00;38;08;07
Lleyton
23. Yeah. But like he's 17. Yeah. And Aaron's however.
00;38;08;09 - 00;38;10;19
Lleyton
26. Yeah. But he threw.
00;38;10;19 - 00;38;12;11
Lleyton
Me in the old dog category but
00;38;12;18 - 00;38;14;21
Lockie
Oh that's. Yeah. I don't want to I don't want to be in the old dog category.
00;38;14;21 - 00;38;19;01
Lleyton
Yeah. Having something like other than just triathlon to identify yourself and.
00;38;19;07 - 00;38;38;11
Lockie
I do I do not expect any 17 year old to get that. Like we like we are what, 2325 it would be. No, no this is this is only I've only been doing triathlon as a job for two years now. Like it wasn't until I sort of was 23 where I was able to put the tools down. And, you know, I sort of found out other ways to make money.
00;38;38;12 - 00;38;52;20
Lockie
Yeah. Figuring out all the ways to make money because like, at the end of the day, money makes the world go round. You need money to do the sport. You want to do the sport the best you can. You want to not have to focus on working for. Yeah, you know, other someone else. Exactly.
00;38;52;23 - 00;39;05;15
Lleyton
Another thing here, which, people may or may not, I guess like battle with is you need traction and recovery. What do you think about that in your off season?
00;39;05;18 - 00;39;06;16
Lleyton
Because I.
00;39;06;16 - 00;39;15;25
Lleyton
I firmly believe like doing is, studying dietetics. I think people will completely change what they do and what they eat between season and off season.
00;39;15;28 - 00;39;24;15
Lockie
I honestly, I'm the worst person to ask about this because I eat whatever's in front of me. I don't I for me, for me, it's very much.
00;39;24;18 - 00;39;25;22
Lleyton
Same, same for me.
00;39;25;22 - 00;39;36;03
Lockie
The training, the amount that we do, I don't actually look at like I'm not weighing anything. I'm not getting a certain amount of calories. I'm just going, where is my protein source? Where's my carb source.
00;39;36;03 - 00;39;36;27
Lleyton
Where's my good fats?
00;39;36;27 - 00;39;46;04
Lockie
Where's my good fats? Get a source of fiber in and get it all. Yeah, get it all in one place. I got I got breakfast, lunch, dinner and I snack.
00;39;46;04 - 00;39;49;27
Lleyton
When I'm in between. Yeah. For me that I totally agree.
00;39;50;00 - 00;39;50;29
Lockie
Yeah, I.
00;39;51;01 - 00;39;51;29
Lleyton
Would just say a point.
00;39;52;02 - 00;40;15;16
Lockie
Honestly. Don't you think people, especially in this sport, realize how many calories you are burning? Yeah, like there's honestly days and you'll know if we have a big six hour day. You almost can't physically get in the amount of calories that you've burnt so that when you have an easy day, don't go, I've had an easy day. I can't, I can't eat that much because you need to catch up from the days where you trained more.
00;40;15;18 - 00;40;36;16
Lockie
Were you burnt more than what you consume? Yeah. So like, if you're hungry, I can eat. Yeah. Even if you're not hungry sometimes eight you. Yeah I honestly I'll have a big bowl of dinner and then before I go to bed, I'll either have a yoga ball like a protein yoga bowl. I'm not I might not be hungry, but it's just to get a little top up protein in before bed or I'll have a protein shake.
00;40;36;16 - 00;40;39;22
Lockie
Yeah, just get a neutral top up like you just need the calories.
00;40;39;22 - 00;41;03;15
Lleyton
Do you going to offseason or coming out of offseason go. Because obviously over time we're going to like get into let's say rice right. Like you kind of just naturally will deplete like deplete yourself and like lose a bit of weight. Yeah. You've lost a lot being sick. Yeah. But do you consciously ever go I need to like, not bulk up, but like, you know, increase my.
00;41;03;15 - 00;41;08;03
Lleyton
So I'm like a bit heavier or like I've got more in me for like season or.
00;41;08;05 - 00;41;09;00
Lockie
No, no, I.
00;41;09;00 - 00;41;09;14
Lleyton
Think about it.
00;41;09;16 - 00;41;09;27
Lockie
Never.
00;41;10;01 - 00;41;14;02
Lleyton
I feel like you're like me. Yeah. I don't have to think it, I don't know.
00;41;14;02 - 00;41;31;01
Lockie
I think it naturally plays its course unless unlike. And I think unless there is some sort of, you know, you've got some sort of, I guess like for vegetarians or for vegans or something like that where you're missing a vital source. Yes. You might have to obviously look at other.
00;41;31;01 - 00;41;33;01
Lleyton
Options like supplement different things.
00;41;33;03 - 00;41;48;17
Lockie
And that's fine. And then you go to then consciously look at weight. Maybe you should take it in creatine or something. You might have to look a bit more weight there because there is the aspect of, you know, power to weight ratio. Yeah. You want to be, you know, good. I'm also and this is might be a bit of a controversial one.
00;41;48;17 - 00;41;57;23
Lockie
I don't know if other people agree, but I'm all for taking, what are they? Creatine? No.
00;41;57;25 - 00;41;58;03
Lleyton
Oh.
00;41;58;03 - 00;42;03;01
Lockie
Skin, false skin folds. I'm all for it because, like, for me. And I actually saw.
00;42;03;03 - 00;42;08;11
Lleyton
That as a over the years over the six just to decide that you haven't dropped anything.
00;42;08;12 - 00;42;09;17
Lockie
God. Yeah. I mean, just.
00;42;09;17 - 00;42;12;01
Lleyton
Staying in a nice, healthy range like way.
00;42;12;03 - 00;42;25;08
Lockie
For me if I need to, if I need to, like, drop a bit of weight, tell me I'll drop a bit of weight. Like, if there's if there's somebody that knows more about that sort of thing than me because I'm no expert. I'm purely just like I'm a sponge for info. I want to get better. All I want to do is get better.
00;42;25;14 - 00;42;50;22
Lockie
So and I think I actually heard this on the, In the Beginning podcast from Courtney Atkinson. He said this, he said, I don't understand why people are of shying, especially in the elite sport. Why are they shying away from it when all we want to do is get better? We want to be the best of the best and that is vital information to help us understand how to weight, you know, any courses coming, our degree, it's information that's going to help us get better.
00;42;50;22 - 00;42;52;24
Lockie
So why would you not want to jump in that? Yeah, I.
00;42;52;26 - 00;42;59;05
Lleyton
Use it as a tool rather than one. Right. Yeah. It doesn't have to be a negative tool. I don't, which I think there's a lot of connotations to.
00;42;59;05 - 00;43;00;10
Lockie
Yeah for sure.
00;43;00;13 - 00;43;12;20
Lleyton
Just with society these days, it's kind of changed the negative thing, like your skin folds or whatever, taking that kind of metric. Yeah, well, I think yeah, a great tool to measure over the season. Like how we. How's our body tracking? Yeah.
00;43;12;20 - 00;43;13;20
Lockie
Is it still staying at a.
00;43;13;20 - 00;43;14;03
Lleyton
Healthy.
00;43;14;08 - 00;43;14;22
Lockie
Table?
00;43;14;23 - 00;43;23;19
Lleyton
I think that's probably one of the key things as well. Like staying healthy I think is you off season sets you up to be healthy throughout the whole season.
00;43;23;19 - 00;43;29;14
Lockie
Yeah I'm a big sucker for info. So you can you can pinch my fat all day.
00;43;29;17 - 00;43;32;14
Lleyton
Pinch it off. Yeah. You got nothing on me at the moment.
00;43;32;17 - 00;43;35;25
Lockie
All right. Now it's a bit sensitive. I think that's really all.
00;43;35;25 - 00;43;38;17
Lleyton
Yeah. So stay healthy, okay?
00;43;38;22 - 00;43;40;00
Lockie
Yeah. Say, hey, enjoy it.
00;43;40;03 - 00;43;41;21
Lleyton
Enjoy your off season. Yeah.
00;43;41;22 - 00;43;55;07
Lockie
Surround yourself with good people, because that's the easiest way to get through a very boring long aerobic off season. Yeah. Surround yourself with a good squad, surround yourself with people and create a routine and just stick with that. And do not feel bad.
00;43;55;07 - 00;44;00;07
Lleyton
About trying to get into it too early. Yeah. Do you think that's where a lot of the mistakes are made? Have a.
00;44;00;07 - 00;44;05;24
Lockie
Be? Or if you feel like having to be, have a glass of prosecco. If you don't have a glass of prosecco, eat that chocolate. Just have it do.
00;44;05;24 - 00;44;06;07
Lleyton
Whatever.
00;44;06;08 - 00;44;11;00
Lockie
Because it's the festive season. You don't want to get to the end of your life and think, I just sacrificed ten festive seasons.
00;44;11;00 - 00;44;12;19
Lleyton
And it's like, yeah, well, I was 20.
00;44;12;20 - 00;44;25;00
Lockie
Yeah, you know, you still going to be a good athlete? Yeah. A couple of weeks of eating and drinking is not going to hurt you just when it's time to switch on. Switch on? Yeah. If you really don't want to, it's fine. It's also fine. Okay.
00;44;25;04 - 00;44;30;12
Lleyton
But there might be consequences throughout the season. Little plateau decrease in performance.
00;44;30;13 - 00;44;39;18
Lockie
Final worksheet. We found what works for us. Like we said, we haven't actually really done any partying yet. What we do is do it in December and then I'll get bored of it again. January?
00;44;39;21 - 00;44;40;11
Lleyton
Yeah.
00;44;40;13 - 00;44;55;16
Lockie
I we are getting old when like, yeah, I actually thought that the other day I was like, can we all be like starting to get to that age? Or it's like like I remember when offseason came, like we'd had that two weeks off. It was like three nights a week. We'd be like, I'd be so tired.
00;44;55;16 - 00;45;00;13
Lleyton
I don't think it would. I never did three nights a week, but definitely did. It was it was always.
00;45;00;16 - 00;45;02;19
Lleyton
Hey, barbecue this weekend.
00;45;02;19 - 00;45;09;09
Lockie
Barbecue at my place. We just ended up Bender. Well, we haven't done that yet. Not I really, I honestly don't really have much interest.
00;45;09;09 - 00;45;11;04
Lleyton
But we do a golf day.
00;45;11;07 - 00;45;13;21
Lockie
You see, we're doing different kind of. We're doing bad stuff. Now go.
00;45;13;22 - 00;45;16;00
Lleyton
Oh fuck it.
00;45;16;02 - 00;45;31;24
Lockie
All righty. Well, thank you very much for listening. Yeah, that's our take on all season. Take it or leave it. Hopefully you might have learned some stuff. We we do like coming and sharing our sort of $0.02 and a bit of knowledge that we've got, So. Yeah. Love us, I hate us. That's how. That's how I am.
00;45;32;00 - 00;45;46;16
Lockie
All righty. Well, that's, that's all. Episode 33 of the unfunded podcast. If you want to follow us, we are, the unfunded pod. Or if you want to send us an email, we are the unfunded pod at gmail.com. We'd love to hear from you.
00;45;46;19 - 00;45;49;09
Lleyton
I don't know if anyone even checks that email.
00;45;49;11 - 00;45;52;26
Lockie
I don't know what. Just in case. And hopefully you can see me.
00;45;52;27 - 00;45;53;18
Lleyton
Yes.
00;45;53;20 - 00;45;55;25
Lockie
Someone. All right, well, have a good weekend.
00;45;55;25 - 00;45;56;24
Lleyton
And for listening.
00;45;56;24 - 00;45;58;02
Lockie
We love you.
00;45;58;04 - 00;46;01;13
Lleyton
Oh, bye. Oh.