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The Road To Your Name Podcast series grew out of a program started by Aboriginal Legal Services (ALS) in 2016 that helped people going through the justice system and their families to strengthen and deepen their cultural connections. Host, Lisa VanEvery, examines many aspects of Haudenosaunee culture and teachings with a wide range of guests.
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Lisa: On this episode of Yo Hot Day Ne Sauna, the Road to Your Name Podcast. On this podcast, our guest is joining us in person in the studio, and this is Tyler Hill. Tyler will be talking with us about lacrosse and about. Other things he's doing in his life. Tyler's from the Mohawk nation and a lifelong lacrosse player.
So I hope to learn a little bit more about lacrosse and his view on the spirituality of lacrosse. So let's get to it. Welcome Tyler to the podcast.
Tyler: Thank you. Thank you for having me.
Lisa: Okay, where should we start? Let's start with, uh, where you're from and where you grew up.
Tyler: Yeah, so I grew up playing lacrosse on a Onaga Nation.
Played all my junior years there. And then actually after my junior years for there, I came up to six Nations to play for the arrows for a few years, and then I went back to [00:01:00] Onaga to finish. Currently playing for seniors there now.
Lisa: So can you recall how old you were when you first started to play lacrosse?
The very first time.
Tyler: My very first memory probably be playing catch with my dad, probably around seven years old. I was probably playing a little bit before that, but that's my first memory. I remember my first stick, it was a wooden stick. I think it was made by either a Williams or a Logan. It was a wooden stick and it was, it was like per, it was a perfect stick, and my dad gave it to me and just played lacrosse with him all the time in the yard.
Lisa: Oh yeah. Do you still have that stick?
Tyler: I still have it, yeah. Oh, wow. Yeah, I still have it.
Lisa: Wow. That's got a lot of history in it.
Tyler: Yeah. Yeah, it does. It's a special stick. I probably never give that one up.
Lisa: Oh yeah. Do you like playing with the wooden stick or the other kind of stick?
Tyler: I like playing with both.
I think it's important to. Everyone's got their sticks now. Modernized sticks, plastic and [00:02:00] aluminum or titanium, whatever. But it's always good to be keeping your wooden stick alive and in good shape.
Lisa: Yeah. So when you first started to play lacrosse, what were you taught about the game?
Tyler: Uh, when I first started playing lacrosse, the first thing I remember being taught was actually defense.
Mm-hmm. And not building the house. And being one stick apart from your other teammate and backing each other up and just having a strong house.
Lisa: Mm-hmm.
Tyler: And the other parts like offenses just came naturally. I wasn't really coached too much in the beginning, just a. Let me go. I was always fast so I could run even at a young age and I would use my dodges that I learned from basketball.
'cause I played basketball when I was a kid too, and basketball transferred over to my lacrosse. And the good thing about growing up was that my dad told me that whatever sport I [00:03:00] decided to go into, whether it's soccer or basketball or lacrosse or whatever, he would always be there and he'd be helping me with it.
So I did all that. I did all those sports and he was there and all of those sports helped me to be the player that I am, that shaped me to be the, the lacrosse player that I am. The agility in soccer. And the footwork in soccer helped me to be able to move around my defenders and just be able to have good, good foot footing.
And then in basketball, all of the movement that you have to move back and forth to try to shimmy your guy away, and just the movements and the shooting. All of that combined into my game.
Lisa: So with playing all those sports, this is an interesting question with playing all the different sports, did you feel by being ho Oshodi, did you feel a special connection to lacrosse?
Tyler: Yeah, I did. Lacrosse was always there, even though I played other sports. [00:04:00] I wanted to be an NBA player. I wanted to do basketball real, real bad. Michael Jordan was my idol, just like a lot of kids' idols. Mm-hmm. I grew, I grew up watching him. That was my era. And so he influenced me a lot. His passion for the game and his drive.
Watching him play basketball, helped me play basketball and helped me play lacrosse too. So lacrosse was always there no matter what I did. And in the back of my mind, I said, I can always go back and play lacrosse. And that's what I ended up doing. But there was a path that I had to take before I came to lacrosse, and that was like my training, if you would, it as now my training to get to lacrosse.
I, I played basketball, soccer, football, all these other sports hockey, and that was my training. So my connection to lacrosse was always there because I watched my dad play. I heard stories of my grandfather being told to me, and it was always there. My uncles, and you know, they, they played lacrosse and just to watch them handle a stick and [00:05:00] to play catch with them, it was meant to be.
It was always, no matter how much I, how bad I wanted to play basketball, I came in full circle. I stepped up into lacrosse.
Lisa: So did you learn about not only the rules of the game, how to play the game, but did you learn about the game's history being the creator's game, why it's the creator's game, those kinds of things?
Tyler: Yeah. I did learn a, I did learn about that My, my father talked to me about that. My grandfather talked to me about that and. There were lessons in the backyard that were told and given to me while we were playing, and they're showing me how to shoot and what to do on the field, and I just. I guess they didn't actually come out and say, this is the creator's game and this is this and this is that.
It was a [00:06:00] long ways to go and I was learning the game from them. And after I had a lacrosse game, we would come into the yard and they would tell me what I did wrong and just, I just learned as I went like that and. The history of the game came, I don't even know. They must have told me, but I can't recall them actually sitting me down and telling me mm-hmm.
This and that. It just, it just came as mm-hmm. As I, as I played. Mm-hmm. And 'cause lacrosse is in the creation stories too. And so when I heard those stories being told, I would always perk up when I heard lacrosse in there. Mm-hmm. 'cause it's very. Important that it's in there. And lacrosse has played as a means to, um, the two brothers played.
Mm-hmm. To determine who was gonna rule over the earth and. So that always stuck with me there. That was, that was a big thing for me to know.
Lisa: So with the creator's game, [00:07:00] lacrosse being so tied to our culture and our, it's in our creation story, the spirituality. How do you find lacrosse today? You're involved in the world of lacrosse today.
What's the status of it?
Tyler: So I think the status today is that lacrosse players are. For the majority, just that they're lacrosse players and they know how to play lacrosse at a high level and they're real good. But I think that we can do better than that, and the spirituality part of it needs to be strengthened, and I think our communities will be strengthened from that.
If we do focus more on spirituality and we do get rid of the booze and the other, hold on. What do you call those? I guess I'll just say the problems will get rid of those problems that come along with after the game. Like everyone will go out drinking after.
Lisa: [00:08:00] Yeah.
Tyler: It's, it, it is a way to, to bond with each other, but I think that we have to come up with a better way.
To, to do team bonding than getting together and drinking.
Lisa: Yeah,
Tyler: I wish that would go away and we gotta come up with stuff to do. Other than that, maybe go for a team dinner or go for a fun night out at, at the casino, even though that's not, that's look, that's frowned upon too. But at least it's better than drinking.
Lisa: Yeah, like try to have lacrosse, bring it back to where it was originally and how the game was honored in our culture. Very much so honored and how it, it is a medicine game, so we all also play it for the people in the community who for their enjoyment and. You know, those are really good reasons to play lacrosse.
Yeah, so I think we can get back to [00:09:00] that. It's a matter of changing a culture of doing things one way and doing then doing them another way. But it takes leadership
Tyler: time as well time, and it takes exa leading by example. I think.
Lisa: Yeah. The
Tyler: more people that we have doing that, the good way, I think it will make a difference.
And we need our younger generation to follow in those footsteps.
Lisa: So where does the good mind come in when you play lacrosse?
Tyler: I think the good mind comes in when you're playing lacrosse and everybody gets mad when they play. Maybe you'll get hit too, a little bit too hard, or you'll get hit in a in your leg and the first thing you want to do is turn around and hit him back.
intro: Mm-hmm.
Tyler: And it's hard to control yourself, but it's a power that you yourself have to make. Sometimes you will turn around and hit 'em back, but it's [00:10:00] your own decision that you're making to keep that good mind and to play through it. Yeah, and I've noticed that when you do play through it and you let that go and you just focus on what you're supposed to do, you gotta get the ball and you gotta score a goal or whatever it is that you're supposed to do at that moment in the game, that's what you focus on.
And I've noticed that when I do focus on that, it always turns out good. It's always good. It was always a good decision that I did that. And so knowing that you just try to keep on that good way and you don't try to hurt nobody else, even though the game was rough back then and we did slash in the head we did slash in the legs with the wooden sticks, no pads.
It was still even then. You take the shot and it's all good because it's for the creator and you just keep playing. And when they get the ball and it, [00:11:00] it's your turn. You, you're on defense now. You'll still try to, you, you're still gonna play hard as hard as you can, but you're not gonna try to hurt them.
Mm-hmm. Just because they hurt you.
Lisa: Mm-hmm. Just,
Tyler: it could have been a mistake, you got hit in the head, so you still play the right way and you still play with a good mind. You still just try to get the ball away from them.
Lisa: So we talked about the good mind in the game of lacrosse, and we talked about the culture of alcohol affecting the game of lacrosse.
How do you think a player, would it be a struggle, maybe they could be having, if they're partaking in mind changers and playing the game? And if they're trying to have a good mind, that could be a real conflict.
Tyler: Yeah, it makes it very difficult to try and have that good mind and to continue to play with a good mind when you're influenced by alcohol because I've noticed [00:12:00] that when players drink alcohol, they're more prone to fight or they're more prone to play dirty, or they're more, more prone to do not the right things.
So I noticed that if sometimes players play drunk. And you can tell that player's drunk because he's out there trying to fight with everyone.
Lisa: We have a lot of work to do, Tyler, to clean this game up.
Tyler: Yes, we do. Yes we do. And get
Lisa: it back to where it used to be. Where it should be.
Tyler: Yep. Yeah, we do. I think it starts with just leading by example and making those decisions not just for you.
You're not just playing for you, you're playing for other people too. And that's one of the things that my uncle told me now that. Now it came up, but in our conversation here, when I took a shot on the goalie and it was a bad angle shot, there was no way, uh, in the world that I could score that goal. But I still took the shot 'cause I wanted to score.
When I [00:13:00] was young, he told me this whole game here is not all about you. But there's other people here. You have other teammates. If you're not open for a shot, you gotta pass it to them. There was a person over here that had a better shot than you. You gotta pass it to them so they can score. And that goes with this too.
You're not just playing for yourself, you're playing for everybody else. And it goes as far as the decisions that you make in, in your life after the game, when you're playing, when you're not playing.
intro: Mm-hmm. When
Tyler: if you choose to drink, then. You know, you're setting that as an example for people who are watching you, people who hear about you, you don't want that.
Lisa: Mm-hmm.
Tyler: You wanna be known drinking protein drinks after the game.
Lisa: Mm-hmm.
Tyler: You wanna be known for eating organic, healthy meals after, because as a lacrosse player, you need to be healthy.
Lisa: Yeah. And also the older [00:14:00] lacrosse players in our communities are watched by the younger lacrosse players in our communities, and you never know who's watching you as a lacrosse player and what they're picking up from you.
And I think we, we really need to promote that more to the teams.
Tyler: I think it's important that the coaches, I think that's where it's gonna start from is the coaches will, when we're, when they're coaching, bring the guys together in the huddle. And you're not just talking about lacrosse, you're talking about life too, and uh, what to look for when you get outside of this, when you step off the floor.
And I. I would like to see coaches talk about, they always talk about not drinking. The team's gonna do what they're gonna do, but I've been on teams where when we decided not to drink, we won a [00:15:00] championship and that was so good that we could refrain from drinking and we got what we wanted to get. We won the whole entire championship and that was good.
And if we could just keep doing that and doing it, I think it would be a lot better. But another thing that I think that coaches need to talk about with the players is things like more about life. Like how things are going in your life and how to get it back on track. If you're struggling with something else in your life, maybe you're struggling with relationships.
Everybody struggles with relationships and what to look for in a woman, what values that we need to be looking for. I think a lot of people have trouble with. Being blinded by the other influences that we get from, uh, music videos or TV or, uh, music and stuff like this. Just the rap and, and everything like that.
It's not about the physical aspects of a, of these people. Everybody wants to a nice looking, uh, partner, but. [00:16:00] It's more than that, and a lot of people don't even know what to look for because it's not being told to us. You want a hardworking person. You want a person that brings value to your life and helps you as well, and you help them out too.
And as soon as it starts getting toxic and as soon as it starts getting arguing about stuff, I think that's a time to really reflect on it and don't keep going with that person. You gotta step back and you have to realize, is this worth it? Is this person good for me? Because, uh, if you decide to do that, it could take you down a road that you're not meant for.
And it's not that it's not meant for, but it will be harder. It'll be a harder road for you. Mm-hmm. And just if you know what you're looking for and you know what the right things are, it'll help you to live a good life and have a good life in whatever you choose, whether it's lacrosse or. Whatever.
Lisa: So I guess [00:17:00] what you're saying is every lacrosse team needs a lacrosse coach and a life coach.
Yeah.
Tyler: Yeah, that would be good. Yeah.
Lisa: Yeah. Or the same person who knows about everything. Let's talk a little bit more about. The actual playing of the game. And you've, you must have played a phm amount of lacrosse games up up until now in your life. Can you describe to our listeners what it's like to play lacrosse?
Tyler: Wow, that's a good, uh, that's a good question. So what it's like to play lacrosse? Is when you get good, that's when it, that's when it's the most fun. When you're in really good shape and when you've developed all your skills, that's when it's, that's when lacrosse is fun and lacrosse is, it's always fun all the time, but when you get real good at it [00:18:00] and you've ran your miles and you put your miles in and you can run for miles and miles and you can do the things that you imagine in your mind.
Uh, and you can do it in real life in a game, that's when it's fun because there's things that come up in a game where you won't even plan it. You won't even think about it. You're just doing it. And there was a time that I can think of when just in my last game that I played for Onaga against the new town, I was behind the net.
I took it behind and I came around and I dove. I dove to the front of the net and I scored like that in the air. But that's against the rules. You can't do that. But it was something that just came to me. I still put the ball in the net, but it's against the rules, so it didn't count.
intro: Mm-hmm.
Tyler: It would've counted in, uh, in a different league, like the NLL or something like that.
That's where I seen it, so I did it and I accomplished it, but it just, it was something that just came to me. I didn't have to think about [00:19:00] it, just, it just did it on its own. And that's where you want to get to. You wanna get to the part where you don't really have to think. It's just, it's all you're doing.
You're making all the right decisions without having to think about it.
Lisa: And when you do something like that, is it, do you feel joy?
Tyler: Yeah. Yeah. It's joy. It's it's freedom. It's freedom. Because you're freedom. You're free to create. How you wanna play and use your creativity. All the things that you learned and all the things that you practiced, you're putting 'em together and you're putting 'em together in front of.
It matters, and it's, it just, it feels good to, to play good. And that's the medicine of it. You want to hear people cheering and you're, you're looking around, try not to look around too much at the stands, but you can feel that good energy. From them and you're playing your best so that they can get the energy from you.
[00:20:00] That's all the medicine, and you just try your best.
Lisa: Mm-hmm.
So far in your lacrosse career, where are you now? Where would you say you're, you are now in your lacrosse playing?
Tyler: Unfortunately, I'm at the end.
Lisa: You got a ball, you're still young, toddler. Yeah,
Tyler: yeah, still young. Probably got maybe five or six years left to play and after that I'll be coaching.
But yeah, I can, it's scary to think that I'll, I'll be stopping pretty soon, but yeah, I'm gonna finish strong and I'm still gonna be putting my miles in and doing all my practicing and because even at this stage, I still need to practice. You still have, I'm still learning about the game. My grandfather, he's still giving me pointers after the game.
Much needed pointers.
intro: Mm-hmm.
Tyler: And I'm still learning, and I'm still open to being a student of this game and making my, being a perfectionist and being able [00:21:00] to do the things that I wanna do on the floor.
Lisa: You probably played a lot of great games. Yeah, you have a lot of great memories of lacrosse games.
Tyler: Yes.
Yeah, I have a lot. Yep.
Lisa: So are you looking forward to coaching little lacrosse players?
Tyler: Yeah, I was. I have been doing, I've been getting involved in coaching the last few years now, and I've coached all levels, even girls, and it's really good to see them improve. So much. And just to give them the right direction and the push that they need, and just to see 'em pick up on it quickly is a reward.
And to see the excitement and the fire in them get bigger and to see 'em get better is, uh, man, it's, it's good because I was once there and I know how that is. And I just try to give them all the right tools that they need to be the best player that they can be. And I think it's every coach's job. I [00:22:00] think every coach has a job to make the other players better than you were.
I think that's, that should be how it goes. Every generation should get better than the one before it, and that's how it's been going. I think as far as the cross is concerned, the skills of these players, even now that I see coming up, the younger players are, man, they're good. They're real good. It's, I can tell it's I'm on the way out.
Lisa: You just have to learn a few more moves, I guess.
Tyler: Yeah.
Lisa: And also you'll be able to, when you're coaching, you'll be able to teach them. About the history more and the spirituality and the creativity that can go into playing lacrosse,
Tyler: right? Yeah. That's an aspect that I'm definitely gonna be including in my coaching, is to make sure that the guys are good off the floor too.
intro: And
Tyler: I always play with a good mind and everything that's involved with, with the spirituality of the game.
Lisa: Mm-hmm. So how many [00:23:00] lacrosse sticks would you own Tyler?
Tyler: Oh man, I got a lot now. I used to only have a couple, but since I started my lacrosse business, it's called Four by Hill. I've had to string string up lacrosse sticks, different ones and had to figure them out.
They're all different, and that was a learning process in itself. Stringing different ways for different people. The way that I string is different, a lot different than other. Another person. I have my own preferences and my own top string that I like to do and my own sidewalls and everything. It's way different than other players.
So I had to learn different stringing tactics and different tricks like that to to provide everybody's needs for lacrosse. So I think I got at least 10. And then for my business there's, I think I got like a good amount, maybe 40 sticks that are on hand, ready to go. And they're all strung up by me and they're all different.
But yeah, that was another part [00:24:00] That is just everything I do, I try to involved lacrosse and it, I was thinking about. What I can do with my life, and I don't really know too much else except for lacrosse trying to get involved with other careers, and I don't want to go that way because I know lacrosse and I want to improve.
Lacrosse is game in every aspect. That's why I wrote the book too. We didn't. We'll talk
Lisa: about your book in a minute. Yeah. Tell me everything that's involved in your business. Four by Hill.
Tyler: Okay. So for four by Hill. I have lacrosse sticks the heads, the mesh shafts. I don't have any equipment yet. I'm just focusing on the sticks first.
And then I also had, I was just looking into business stuff, so I needed the shirts and the merch and mm-hmm. Hats. I got this hat right here. I designed everything and everything that went into the business. It took a [00:25:00] long time because I did everything on my own. So even making the LLC. Doing all the paperwork and everything that goes into making a business.
All the research that on all the time that went into it is what took it all up. And I had to make the website.
intro: Mm-hmm. So
Tyler: I did all that on my own and I had to learn how to make a website and do all the coding and stuff. I'm finding out that there's a lot more to it than just. The business. There's that.
There's a lot of other stuff that goes into it too. And that's the same thing I found out with that book.
Lisa: Oh, tell us about the book. What inspired you to write this book and what's it called?
Tyler: The book is called Worm Burner, and my inspiration came from my own kids and I wrote it for them. That was the. I just, I wrote it for, I wrote a story that they would like and that we would wanna read to them at bedtime because the other storybooks that we were reading, they were good messages and good stuff, but there it was not really about lacrosse.
[00:26:00] And our day that we spent, it was about, if you give 'em mouse a cookie, what's gonna happen? Well, this story's about a 10-year-old. His name is Canoe, and he just. From the moment he wakes up, he wakes up with the sun and the he, the good morning sun is giving him a hug. Mm-hmm. To, to wake up. 'cause that's what you feel when you wake up and you feel the warmth of the sun.
That's, that's the creator giving you a hug, waking you up.
intro: Mm-hmm.
Tyler: And so that's how it starts out. And it just goes on through the day of what he does. And he plays lacrosse. He eats breakfast. And as soon as he gets up and he goes out and plays, plays, lacrosse, comes back inside, brushes his teeth, we go over the things that my kids forget to do.
We, for they forget to brush our teeth sometimes.
intro: Mm-hmm. So I
Tyler: have it in there and he brushes his teeth. He washes his hands, he practices good hygiene thing. So it's like a lesson for them and uh, an example for them to follow. He eats healthy. And talk [00:27:00] about just playing the cross in nature. Sometimes like he'll take a break.
But he rak, he's raking up a pile of leaves. He jumps in the leaves and smells real good and he's looking up and well, he notices that the birds are singing their songs, so then he sings his own song too. And so it just promotes being a good kid, being a good kid, playing lacrosse
Lisa: and uh, and connection to the natural world.
Sounds,
Tyler: yes.
Lisa: And why did you title it? Worm Burner.
Tyler: Worm Burner is actually the name of a shop that this kid is working on or that canoe is working on throughout the book. And it's a shot that is an underhand shot. It's known throughout the lacrosse community and the golf community, and it's a shot that stays low to the ground, and if you do it hard enough, the ball will heat up and it'll burn the worms in the ground.
The worms will come up. So that's a shot that he's trying to develop right now. He's 10 years old. [00:28:00] He's all, he also does this shot here too. This one here is a fish shot.
intro: Mm-hmm. And so
Tyler: instead of the ball staying low to the ground here and going in the bottom corner, he's bringing the ball up just like the root, the pathway of this fish going up to the top of the net.
Mm-hmm. He's bringing it. He's bringing the ball up. So that way if the goalie catches on, you're shooting a lot of low shots, the goalies tend to drop low, so you're gonna find that space up high for your next shot.
Lisa: Tyler is showing us an illustration from the book, and there's a lot of wildlife in the background in this illustration, and it's of the boy playing lacrosse.
Yeah. So where can we get the book?
Tyler: The book is actually available only on my website right now. Okay. What? Uh, for by hill.com
Lisa: and And it's the number four?
Tyler: The number four, yeah. Four
Lisa: by hill.com? Mm-hmm. Okay. The listeners can go and check it out and maybe get some [00:29:00] merch like that. Great hat you're wearing.
Okay. What else are you doing, Tyler, in the world of lacrosse?
Tyler: Some other stuff that I'm doing is. I'm trying to get some lacrosse camps going with my grandfather. We wanna start teaching some teams and anybody teaching kids of all ages, even advanced like college, just putting a program together for them.
And it involves lacrosse, defense, offense, but it's also gonna. Involve the things that we talked about, like spirit, the spirituality of it. Mm-hmm. And just having a good mind, and also just how to be off the field too, and how that helps to carry over into your game.
Lisa: Mm-hmm.
Tyler: Another thing that I'm working towards lacrosse, I just want lacrosse to be on all facets.
Where it should be, because right now it's still growing. We don't see it on TV as much. We [00:30:00] don't see it on in movies. We don't see board games. So all those things that are missing, I'm trying to put lacrosse on, on, on there. So I actually made a board game. Lacrosse.
intro: Mm-hmm.
Tyler: And it's called Rip It. It's not out, it's still in development, but it's called Rip It.
We played it at my house with my friends and my family.
Lisa: Mm-hmm.
Tyler: And it came out pretty good. It's pretty fun and we're still making it right now. But yeah, I wanted to do that. I wrote a script. For a commercial. It's not a commercial, it's a short film. And I just put that all together. I have all these ideas that come in my head and yeah, one, it just to get 'em out on paper is, IM, is just the first step.
Lisa: Mm-hmm. And I,
Tyler: I want, I wanna work with more. Seeing lacrosse more on film and putting it out there so that people can see it and people can understand it more, and it'll be a normal thing just like basketball and hockey and baseball. Mm-hmm. As big [00:31:00] as those sports, I want it to be.
Lisa: Wow, that's a big, tall order, but you seem to, you'll probably do it Tyler.
You have a lot of energy and I can feel your passion for lacrosse. I love lacrosse too, and uh, I wish you all the best to do this and accomplish your goals. I can't wait to get the book and read about Worm Burner. Anything else you'd like to add?
Tyler: I didn't think about that one. Lemme see if I can end with a good message.
Lisa: Okay.
Tyler: I think I just wanna say, no matter what you're doing in your life, and no matter what's going on in your life, you always have the power to make the right decision and to do the right thing. And, and you can. And we all can. And I think the more that we do make those right decisions in our lives. And in our lives, and [00:32:00] no matter how bad it gets, no matter how many times that you made the wrong decision or the bad thing, or you chose to do something that you know you shouldn't do, you can always come back and make it right and do the right thing at any time.
And the more we do that, I think we can lift each other up and we can all, we can all do the right thing together.
Lisa: That's a really great message, Tyler, let's end with that, Yahweh Tyler, for joining us at the Road to Your Name podcast. I've really enjoyed this conversation about lacrosse. I love talking about lacrosse.
I don't know why. I just do.
Tyler: Yeah, it's the best thing to talk about. I think just especially to hear the old. Elders talk about lacrosse and the games that they played and
Lisa: Oh yeah. It's
Tyler: really, it gets really fun to listen to them.
Lisa: Yeah. Well come back again and join us after you've put out your game and [00:33:00] your film and, um, all the things you're doing with lacrosse and you have it on TV all the time.
You're gonna do all this. I know it.
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