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A podcast that holds horror to standards horror never agreed to. Hosts Jeremy Whitley, Ben Kahn, Emily Martin and guests watch, read, listen to, and check out movies, tv shows, comics, books, art and anything else from the horror genre and discuss it through a progressive lens. We'll talk feminism in horror, LGBTQ+ issues and representation in horror, racial and social justice in horror, disability and mental health/illness in horror, and the work of female and POC directors, writers, and creators in horror.
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Jeremy: I've decided after Alicia,
uh, misunderstood you guys being
excited about talking about Jackie,
that we should just refer to yellow.
Jackies as Jackie's.
EC: yellow
Bee: Yes.
Oh
Jeremy: talking about that
show with the Jackies.
EC: the Jackie Show.
Jeremy: Yeah.
You know, the Jackies.
Bee: It's like all this time you've
been talking about how you like
these flawed women protagonists.
I'm just thinking like, dear Lord,
wait till you get to yellow Jack.
EC: Oh my God.
Oh my God.
I've been waiting.
Jeremy: Like Alicia watched the
first episode with me and she has
taught, Lord of the Flies, been forced
to teach Lord of the Flies enough
times, and she's just like, oh fuck.
Is this the Lord of the Flies?
No, I'm out.
Bee: Yeah, but what if Stephen
King did Lord of the Flies?
Jeremy: That's what I said is
like, I, I like both the like split
timeline stuff and then also like
how much more interesting it actually
is than the Lord of the Flies.
The Lord of the Flies is like the
one time something supernatural
happens, it's very clear that
it's just somebody hallucinating.
Bee: I will say I feel like
Season one did a very good job
of keeping the overall quality of
the two timelines very consistent.
I think it is less so in season two,
Jeremy: I,
Bee: think.
EC: I'm thinking, I'm considering
Jeremy: I, I haven't seen any of two yet.
Uh, you wanna go ahead and, um,
Emily, do you want to kickstart
EC: So I'm gonna, I'm gonna,
I'm taking the, the show
hostage so I can eat it later.
But Jeremy, what do you
want me to introduce you as?
'cause I'm the cinnamon roll of
SNA Bites, but now I'm the host.
Jeremy: I don't know, man.
EC: do you wanna be the
cinnamon roll this time?
Jeremy: ooh, I don't know.
Uh, that, that doesn't seem right.
Um
hmm.
EC: the Frankenstein of fun guys.
Jeremy: God,
Bee: the powerhouse of Poltergeist.
Jeremy: yeah, sure.
Let's go with that.
I.
EC: The powerhouse of Poltergeists.
Jeremy: Sure.
I, I, I don't have any
better ideas right now.
So,
Bee: Uh, my only other
one is the, uh, let's see.
No, what is it?
Is, uh, Nope, I've lost it.
Yep.
Powerhouse of Puler, guys, as best I got.
EC: Okay
Jeremy: notorious supporter
of Of women's wrongs.
EC: well, I like that.
Bee: Mm-hmm.
EC: like the notorious
supporter of Women's Wrongs.
Jeremy: Yeah.
EC: yeah.
Jeremy: Ally of women's wrongs.
EC: women's Wrongs activist.
Jeremy: There you go.
EC: Yeah.
There we go.
Okay, I'm gonna start.
Jeremy: Clap.
EC: Good evening and welcome to
Progressively Horrified the show
where we hold horror to progressive
standards it never agreed to.
I am your host tonight, Emily Martin,
your friendly neighborhood, mega
moth and cinnamon roll of Cino Bites.
I have, I am holding this show hostage
in my basement for important blackmail
crimes, and also to eat it later.
And with me tonight, I have a
panel of Cinephiles and Cina Bites.
It's the Horror Squad folks.
First up, we have Ben Kahn
here to challenge the sexy
werewolf, sexy, vampire binary.
Ben, how are you?
Bee: I like between Ted Lasso
yellow jackets and blue lock 2022.
2023.
Really, the last few years
we've had soccer shows for men,
women, and anime of all genders.
EC: I haven't seen blue lock.
Bee: It's very what if
anime's played soccer?
EC: I thought that was like
Bee: What if soccer was a battle anime?
EC: Okay.
For once I am, ignorant of this anime.
Bee: It is the anti teamwork anime.
It's what if a sports show is also
a Hunger Games esque survival drama?
EC: Interesting.
Well, that brings us to our former
host and one said future host.
Oh, no.
Bee: got Jay Leno.
EC: uh, oh, don't worry.
Bee: Fuck it Taken away, Conan.
EC: We have the Women's Bronx
activist Jeremy Whitley.
Jeremy, how are you?
Jeremy: I have mainlined all
of season one of Yellow Jacket.
It's in roughly the last 36 hours.
So, um, I'm in a dark place,
Bee: Good for you.
EC: for steak
Jeremy: never.
Bee: This was I, I rewatched the first
three episodes for this discussion.
I've watched all the
way through season two.
I've been watching this weekly since
like, Episode three, maybe like I
I, I hopped on the Yellow Jackets
train, uh, with my partner, or should
I say the Yellow Jackets plane?
Early on
Jeremy: Yikes.
Bee: rewatching the pilot would now
have it with two seasons under my belt
with such a wildly different experience
EC: Oh yeah.
I've also seen all of the
first and second seasons.
it's interesting seeing
things in perspective,
Jeremy: When this was first advertised,
I saw like Karen Sama was involved and
like the whole sort of pitch of the
story was really interesting to me.
I was like, that's definitely
something I'm gonna have to check out.
And then it was on Showtime and I
don't know how to showtime anymore.
So I was just like, well, I guess
I'll get around to it at some point.
I'll figure it out.
And then suddenly the two seasons of it
were out and I was like, oh, well shit,
I should actually watch some of that.
And so you all have finally
forced me to do that for the
show, to actually like sit down.
And I was theoretically only
supposed to watch three episodes,
Bee: it's just too good.
once you pop you can't stop.
Jeremy: I, I forget exactly how the third
one ended, but it was something that I was
like, well, I can't fucking stop there.
Bee: Oh, the third one ended
with, uh, they found Travis.
Jeremy: Oh yeah.
Bee: they found Travis, in a noose
EC: Yes.
Jeremy: You know what's really rough
about this first season is like, you find
out Travis has committed suicide at the
beginning of it, and then because of the
way the timelines work, you just wish
Travis would die for the rest of the show.
Like, I just keep,
Bee: But you know, he won't.
Jeremy: wishing harm
Bee: No matter how annoying
Travis gets, he can't die.
He is functionally immortal.
EC: he has to suffer.
That's
Bee: Well, no,
EC: you watch him suffer.
Bee: his suffering is baby boo boo.
Next to the fucking saint of suffering.
That is Coach Ben.
EC: The Saint Sebastian of this show.
Bee: Nobody suffers in this show.
Quite like Coach Ben.
EC: Coach Ben?
Jeremy: rough man.
It, you know, when people are
like, uh, it really sucks to be
a guy in particular property.
I'm like, ah, whatever.
But this is one where like, yeah, it,
EC: Yeah.
Jeremy: of sucks to be
a dude in this show.
with the exception of,
of Travis, honestly.
Like, I hate this kid, but
like also strongly relate.
Having been a high school teen at one
time myself, He's on some real like Jess
Mariano Gilmore girls shit, where you're
just like, oh, would you just fucking.
Chill out.
Bee: It is
EC: Yeah.
Jeremy: the stick out of your ass for
five minutes and try to like figure
out what somebody else is feeling.
Bee: again, like watching it the
first time was just like, oh,
there are dark mysteries afoot.
It is intrigue around every
coroner, all of these characters.
I don't know who they are.
I'm figuring out their
relationships, what their deal is.
I'm wondering what could
happen to all of them.
Now, I look back on the second
time and I'm like, Aw man.
Coach Ben, look at you here
with two legs and intact sanity.
That's not gonna last long.
Jeremy: Man, it's, uh, one of those
shows that I feel like somewhat like
punishes you for choosing favorites.
You're like, oh, I really
like that character.
Oh, well, maybe not.
Bee: Unless your favorite is
Missy and you're just rooting for
Christina Richie to be fucking like
psychotic and delightful, in which
case you're gonna get a lot of that.
Jeremy: Misty is horrible,
but in a very consistent way.
Bee: The psychology of
Misty is a very sound
Jeremy: yeah.
Bee: a fucked up psychology,
but it's a very lo.
The logic of Misty's thought
processes and actions is always
very understandable and consistent.
EC: Yeah.
As a, as an activist yourself, Jeremy,
how do you feel about Misty's wrongs?
Jeremy: Hmm.
You know, Misty really, um, appealing
as a character to me, while also being
like very difficult to watch because
like just within those first couple
episodes, especially the second episode,
it becomes so clear that like she is a
nerdy kid who like, has never been in a
good place, has never like been the one
that people actually look to for anything,
and is, is just really struggled with
all the like, social parts of things.
But then like, she's put in this situation
where it's like, oh, suddenly she has all
this ability and all this power and, and
by the time, you know, she, uh, sabotages
the transponder at the end of the second
episode, you're like, yeah, I get it.
Like, I get why you did that.
but also you're fucking horrible.
Bee: Oh yeah.
Just fucking killing
people with cigarettes.
Jeremy: The moment that you think
like, oh, people should be nicer to
her, you're like, maybe she's not
that bad, that's when she's gonna,
kill you with your own cigarette.
Bee: I love like, the evil teammate, the
one who is just so objectively trying
to support the protagonists, but is also
just so unambiguously evil about doing it.
Jeremy: she, she really reminds me
of, um, in, uh, orphan Black, the
like psychotic blonde, clone that
is like, sort of the bad guy, but
also like does want to be on team.
Good guy.
Occasionally.
EC: Yeah.
Bee: There's something very,
like Joker thinks he is
Batman's best friend about Misty.
EC: Very Lego Batman.
Bee: Yeah.
Yeah.
EC: I just recently watched Lego Batman.
I, I,
Bee: Delightful film.
Love it.
EC: it was, my friends had to like,
would you, could you want a boat?
Would you, could you in a boat?
And I'm like, Hmm, I don't know.
It's this Eggs are green.
And they're like, would you,
could you with a cat on a mat?
I was like, fine.
And then I, I thoroughly enjoyed it.
I was like, this is genius.
It's brilliant.
It's really well written.
the animation is great.
the technique is great.
The presentation's hilarious.
Yeah.
Bee: Like as incredible as Misty is,
and as batshit villainous as Misty is,
no character in this show truly embodies
women's wrongs quite like Shauna Shipman.
EC: Yeah.
she doesn't fail upward.
She just fails around so far
Bee: she is just failing
like on an eternal escalator
EC: Yeah.
she fails so hard.
We don't know where up
and down is anymore.
Bee: I talked about like the
rewatch, feeling so different.
First time around it was like, oh,
here's Jackie and there's Shauna
and oh, they have this interesting
friendship, relationship and detention
there, and oh shit, Shauna's like
sleeping with Jackie's boyfriend.
Like what kind of drama is
that gonna cause down the line?
Like what is happening?
Who are these people?
Like what web of intrigue and
drama is this all leading to?
Now I get to that scene of
them hooking up in the rewatch.
I'm just like, here we go, everyone, Mr.
And Mrs.
McPhail face.
Here's Shauna, Jeff, king,
and queen of Fail Everyone
point and laugh at the family.
EC: Well, and here's the thing
is that they are so different in
the way that they fail together.
But I do wanna get to the recap here.
I have opted to take the recap
responsibility partially 'cause
I'm holding the show hostage.
And I mean, if you've been listening,
you know that these people are me.
I mean, they were seniors
when I was a freshman.
I'm technically ally in this, which
kind of tracks because I probably have
a broken leg before I'd play soccer.
Bee: I'm van, making snarky comments
after getting left to die in a fire.
EC: I wish I was van.
Maybe
I
don't wish I was
Bee: I mean, van is definitely the
fantasy character to be, if only because
Van gets to hook up with Jasmine Savoy
EC: Oh, I, yeah,
Jeremy: you know, It's funny to me
that like, over the course of, of
the first season, like Van quickly
became my favorite character.
Like the relationship between Van
and tasa and in the past is great.
Like the, the way it plays out, the
way it's done is, is really cute
for those first several episodes.
And then like the stuff with
the wolves happened and I was
like, well, so, so long for Van.
I think I literally texted
you guys like, uh, r i p Van,
my favorite character.
And then, then I watched the next episode
and I was like, well, oh, she's back.
Oh.
Bee: Van just popping up inexplicably
surviving Fire and wolves.
EC: So apparently Liv Husen, just
was so good that they were like,
we can't write this character out.
They really acted.
Their way into staying on the
cast there, which Amazing.
Jeremy: there.
Alright.
They were in the inhuman show.
EC: Oh,
Jeremy: All
Bee: Oh, oh, no.
EC: Well, I
Jeremy: they have survived
a true, a true gauntlet of horribleness
to, to get to yellow jackets.
So,
EC: Live Huen
Jeremy: good On Nin
EC: redemption arc.
You did it.
Jeremy: I gotta say the adult,
especially the adult female cast in
the show is so, like all bangers,
EC: Yeah,
Jeremy: Melanie Linsky, Tawny Cyprus
fucking Christina Ricci, Juliette
Lewis, like This show could just
be about the four of them, and it
would be one of the best shows on tv.
I really turned around on, uh,
Warren Cole's, Jeff over the season.
I was like, at the beginning of the
show, I was like, oh, fuck this guy.
And then like, over the season I
was like, well, he's not so bad.
EC: Yeah,
Bee: the evolution of my feelings
about Jeff as season one aired.
EC: yeah.
Like I was not feeling like I would feel
sorry for Jeff you know, I'm team Shauna
all the way, Probably because like, I wish
I was van, but I know that I'm Shauna.
Jeremy: I was not sure about
Shauna for the first few episodes.
Then that moment, the morning after she
runs into her daughter at the club, when
her daughter tries to like blackmail
her and Shauna's like, let me tell
you what it would be like living alone
with your divorce dad on the weekends.
EC: Oh my
Jeremy: it just like, Melanie Lipsky
has such a way of being evil in like
the calmest, most upbeat kind of way
between this and the last of us.
she's so good.
Bee: Shauna, especially gets, and
Melanie Linsky routinely gets what
I can only call like Walter White
breaking Bad monologues in the show.
EC: Oh my God.
And like, and one-liners
Bee: There is a scene she
has in season two that will
fucking shake you to your core.
Jeremy: I'm sure.
And I, I mean, Tommy Cypress has
some of those things as well,
Bee: It was so delightful seeing Tawny
Cyprus after seeing her in season one
of Heroes seeing her pop up in Yellow
Jackets was the most lovely of surprises
and she's wonderful in the show.
Jeremy: that scene where she wakes
up outside her like son's window
and like, She's having this like,
horrible revelation of who the woman
in the tree is and that it's fucking
her and that she's been sleepwalking
and like just that moment that she
has, that's just like dialogue free.
And then like, her washing
her hands and trying to like
catch up with everybody else.
like that haunts me.
That scene is just like like
some baba Duke shit right there.
Like
where you're like, oh no, I am the
villain in my, my child's nightmare.
EC: yeah.
Bee: show legitimately like creeps
me the fuck out in ways that few
of the movies we watch accomplish.
not only is she sleep tree climbing
and dirt eating, she's sleep
ritualistic, dog sacrificing.
Is one of the most fucked
up, scary as things I've
Jeremy: Yeah, she hasn't, by the
end of season one, she hasn't, she
doesn't even know it's her wife that
finds the fucking dog head down there.
I don't know what happens with that yet.
'cause that's like right at the end of
Bee: Yes.
That there's your cliffhanger,
EC: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
God.
Bee: not, not spoiling.
What happens there?
You.
We will just have to wait until you
finish season two, which I assume will
be by lunchtime tomorrow at this rate.
Jeremy: the unfortunate thing is
like, this is absolutely a show
I cannot watch around my children
because it's like, it, it,
Bee: No, no,
Jeremy: starts with a teen girl falling
into a spike pit and then having her
throat cut, bled out, and then eaten.
I was like, Hmm, gonna have
to watch this one at night,
Bee: Truly, one of the greatest pilot
episodes I've ever seen in my life.
That is one of the best first
episodes any show has ever had.
Jeremy: and that, that opening is
EC: I had seen Tumblr gifts and stuff,
and I had heard that it was good, and I
knew that Juliette Lewis was in it, and
I knew that Christina Ricci was in it.
And there was also some sort of like
Elijah Wood being involved, being a
Bee: boy.
Does Elijah Wood get involved?
Holy shit.
That storyline,
EC: And I was like, okay, cool, whatever.
And so, and finally like, I
came around to it, and all of
the needle drops, it was like,
Bee: oh, the soundtrack is incredible.
The the nineties music they pick
out for this show is perfection.
EC: I talk a lot about things
that see me I've tried to like go
into films with the heart on my
sleeve and try to be vulnerable
and let them, show me who they are.
But you know, watching that first
episode, I was staring into the darkest
of dark mirrors and I was like, okay,
you're pulling out fucking little
fish, big fish, and like hole and
like today by the smashing pumpkins.
and then, you know, all of these like
teens with their teen problems and
then also like weird forest murder.
And I'm like, well,
Jeremy: I have to say.
The percentage of teen drama to Forrest
murder was a lot higher on the teen
drama percentage than I expected.
Bee: You know how some, stories that
you call 'em, like a slow burn romance?
Jeremy: It's a slow burn forest murder.
Bee: There you go.
EC: Yeah.
Bee: but once you get to that
forest murder, mm, that's
some good forest murder.
EC: yeah, I think it's a really
interesting storytelling structure.
When you're sort of jumping back
and forth, it can be a pain in
the ass, but like, the climax
of the story is in the middle,
Bee: I do feel like you can go into
this show with a bit of a cheat sheet
if you've seen Lost because I will
say when it comes to theories, if
you just go around guessing, well,
it's what they did in Lost, you
are honestly gonna get pretty far.
They don't do it in the
same order, they mix it up.
But if you think to yourself, wow, it's
how Lost did it, you're probably not
gonna be too far off in a lot of cases.
EC: I really hope they don't do with
this show what they did with Lost though.
Bee: What be terrible to
all the actors of color?
Me too.
EC: Yeah, yeah.
And also have it be like
some Jacobs Ladder thing.
Bee: It was not a Jacob's Ladder.
The
Jeremy: All right.
We, we can't, we can't get
into the lost debate right now.
We
EC: I haven't actually seen Lost,
Bee: parts of one season
were a Jacobs Ladder thing.
EC: wasn't that the last season?
Bee: Yes.
Jeremy: thing I kept thinking about, about
Lost while watching this show was like,
what if Lost was a streaming TV series?
And like, it had been like so many other
streaming TV series that are imitating
it canceled after three seasons.
I can't imagine what the TV
landscape would look like
Bee: having lost in Yellow Jackets.
'cause after watching Yellow Jacket
season one with my partner and me
being like, yeah, that's like How
fucking Lost did my partner was
like, let's fucking watch Lost then.
honestly, it's still a great binge watch.
The characters are all
super likable and great.
It's a fun time.
But it made me realize just to
the degree that the Lost survivors
were playing on fucking easy
mode compared to Yellow Jackets.
Yellow Jackets is fucking Devil may cry.
Three original Northam American
release compared to like, what the
fucking lost, lost fucking crush.
And it's like, oh, look at this
island with its infinite boar and
fish and fruit in this wonderful,
tr year long tropical environment.
EC: Like some Gilligan's Island shit.
Bee: Yeah.
And you look at the who they have
on the crew, it's like, oh good.
Here's our fucking like world
renowned spinal surgeon.
Here's our, here's our like
communications equipment expert.
What's that?
You were raised in a fishing village.
You're a survival expert who brought a
whole like suitcase full of hunting gear.
Fantastic.
Like they had everything
they need to fucking thrive.
Jeremy: And also Kate.
Bee: and Kate, who's so good at
climbing shit, Kate climbs the fuck
out of any fucking, like you could
put a rock wall or a tree in case why?
She's gonna climb the shit outta that.
And that definitely comes in handy a lot.
So Kate can climb
yellow jackets.
They got misty.
EC: Yeah.
So let's discuss this movie.
I'm gonna do a little bit of, um,
Jeremy: it away.
We, we won't interrupt you.
Blast through it and
we'll
EC: much.
Okay.
So creators are Ashley Lyle and Bart
Nickerson starring Melanie Linsky, Juliet
Lewis, Tawny Cypress, Jasmine Savoy
Brown Sophie Thatcher, Ella Purnell, Liv
Husen Sophie Elise, Samantha handwriting.
Sarah Deja, RHA Sharma, warren
Cole, Kevin Elves and Steven
Krueger are our main cast.
So we have a, we have a lot of people.
As we have said, the show
opens up with a very cold.
open, cause it's winter and we have a
girl screaming, running through the woods.
She falls into a pit trap.
She is killed.
Her body is slaughtered for meat by
mysterious figures in frozen masks.
Their leader dawns the new
symbol of unspeakable horror,
which is a pair of antlers.
So here's our story.
1996.
The yellow jackets are a high school
girls soccer team from New Jersey, and
they get to go to nationals in Seattle.
They're champions.
However, their private plane goes
down in the Canadian wilderness and
some of them survive, some don't.
Our characters, our, soccer team
characters are Jackie, the team
leader, played by Ella Purnell.
Jackie is popular upper class, bossy,
but generally sensible, at least
in the parameters of civilization.
yes in exactly yes, precisely,
Bee: Jackie.
Jackie.
EC: if, vampires did show up,
she probably could stake a few.
Shauna is Jackie's alt grudge best
friend, played by Sophie Elise.
She has good taste in music.
Natalie played by Sophie
Thatcher is the punk.
She's haunted, but pragmatic.
Taa the powerhouse, is played
by Jasmine Savoy Brown.
She is assertive and decisive and she
gets the job done no matter the cost.
Lottie the Simon to refer to Lord of
the Flies is played by Courtney Eaton.
Lottie is a talented athlete with mental
conditions that require medication.
Her stress response is medium.
van.
The affable goalie is played by Liv Husen.
Uh, van is TA's secret
girlfriend and she keeps it real.
Laura Lee Lee's a bible camper played
by Ja Jane Tup is, uh, part of it.
She tries her best.
And then we have Misty, the
Overenthusiastic coach assistant
played by Samantha handwriting.
She is an outcast and has
not issues but subscriptions.
And then there's Ali,
the one that got away.
She's played by Pearl Amanda Dixon,
and her survival is guaranteed
by her mediocre soccer playing.
She takes first blood in the TV
series when Tasa conspires question
mark to break her legs so she can't
cause them the game at nationals.
Ali's gruesome compound fracture
excludes her from the plane flight.
And finally, we have Coach
Ben, played by Steven Krueger.
He is gay.
later we have some survivors.
We don't know how many people survive
yet, but our story follows Shauna,
who is now played by Melanie Linsky.
is now an a average
housewife on the brink.
She has married Jackie's high school
boyfriend, Jeff and has a teenage
daughter, Callie played by Sarah
Deam and continues to make choices.
Natalie, who is played by Juliette
Lewis is a recovering addict.
She tries powerfully and gives
no fucks and is even more haunted
and pragmatic than before.
TASA played by Tawny Cyprus is now an
influential politician running for Senate.
She is out married and has
a son with her wife, Simone.
Misty has taken the direct road from
psycho teen to Angel of Death, and now
is a nurse in an elderly care facility.
She is a true crime nut derogatory and
longs for the affection of more than
just her African gray parrot named Kula.
In the year 2021, the survivors are
being followed by a quote unquote
journalist, uh, Jessica Roberts, played
by Sharma, who is trying to encourage
them to confess their true story.
This sets events in motion for our
present day protagonists to reconnect.
So their plane went down.
after an episode of
just regular team drama.
there's underage drinking, there's
parties, there's teenage posturing.
Gone too far, needle drops.
Shauna's banging Jeff behind.
Jackie's back.
This is a problem
Jeremy: Jeff once.
Bee: the perfect start
to their relationship.
EC: yeah,
Bee: The only way that start
could be messier is if Shauna
asked Jeff to call her Jackie
EC: I mean, she did say, if you
come inside me, I will raise
the baby outta spite to become a
killing machine and, What was it?
hunt you down.
Bee: foreshadowing question
EC: mark.
That's a big question mark.
Bee: the funniest to me seen it in
hindsight though, has to be the principal
telling Jackie or I forget the coach
telling jackie what a leader she.
Yeah.
Coach Martinez telling Jackie
what a leader she is has gotta be.
What the funniest in hindsight
scene in the episode.
EC: Yeah, woof.
Jackie is bossy and popular, and
she takes her leader leadership role
seriously until she's in the wilderness.
Then she has all of the, the parameters
are just out the window, so to
speak, just like Coach Martinez.
He doesn't survive this plane crash.
Most of the team does.
Jeremy: One of the girls, I,
I don't know her name, I don't
know if she got a name, because.
She goes so quickly, gets a,
a large metal pipe drilled
through the middle of her chest.
Like we, we only sort of see her in
the aftermath and it's like, oh no.
EC: yeah.
One of them catches fire and is mated.
The other one is impaled on
some kind of plane spike.
So it's rough.
Jeremy: Yeah.
Coach Martinez gets sucked out the
open door and, planted in a tree.
EC: yeah.
in this chaos, Misty finds her purpose.
She once bullied, once ignored, now uses
her babysitter first aid class knowledge,
and tends to the wounded and saves
coach Ben, who is in fact her paramor.
It's not mutual by, uh, amputating
his leg with an ax and emboldened
by her new powers of life and death.
She destroys the plane's
black box transmitter.
The survivors, including the coach's
sons, Travis and Javi decide to explore
to find water and or civilization.
They do find a lake and a sus cabin
full of antlers, porn, and a dead guy.
But there's a Cessna, so that's something.
And things just slowly break down.
You have a, general conflict of
interests as people try to, assert
their different ideas of how to survive.
Some people wanna leave, some people
wanna stay, Lottie has visions.
And, all in all a lot of it
comes down to just trying to make
sense of a nonsensical situation.
the other half of this story in 2021
involves the survivors trying to, make a
life while being haunted by this trauma.
Especially when a bunch of them,
not Shauna, but Tassa, Misty and
Nat, get little postcards with
a weird black lodge symbol that
has also appeared in the woods.
That is some kind of blackmail threat.
So basically give us money
or we'll spill the truth.
And so Stakeouts ensue, Shauna meanwhile
is pissed off because her daughter
is an asshole and Jeff is probably
seeing somebody on the side and lying
to her and all this kind of stuff.
So, um,
Jeremy: He does follow her to a hotel.
It is a very reasonable suspicion
that he is cheating on her,
EC: Yeah.
Ev without any other context.
Yeah.
Jeff is cheating on her whether that
means that Shauna should cheat on him
back with the little like, fuck boy artist
man that she picks up after rear-ending
him, so to speak.
Jeremy: dream boy.
EC: Yeah.
Her straight up, she gets a mad
at Pixie dream boy and relives
her lost child, or, or high school
dreams with him for a little bit.
Bee: yeah, when we say Shonda's
a hot mess, we fucking mean it.
EC: oh my God.
Oh my God.
But, you know, she's, she's trying to
Jeremy: She is remarkably holding it
together better than anybody else in
the crew, but I, although Misty has
her shit under control, her shit is
fucked, but it is under her control.
EC: Misty is living her
dream of being like a super.
Well, essentially an angel of death,
which is, you know, a, fucked up nurse.
Bee: I truly think Shauna is
the most psychotic of them all.
It's just papered over by D
layers of just sheer tiredness.
EC: I, I think Shauna,
she's pretty fucked up.
But, you know, we get, we find out why,
because she's also like in the past
of the, uh, the survival group, her,
her role in the group becomes butcher.
She butchers a lot of the meat.
Why this is the case.
It's just because she's there
and she has the ability to do
so.
Yeah, she's good at it.
She has a talent.
She's a champion.
Bee: Shauna has a habit of just doing
wildly irrational things and then kind
of disassociating and getting exasperated
by her own wildly irrational actions.
EC: Yeah.
Well, I think she, just kind of like
rolls the dice, but then she does like
take, responsibility as much as she can.
Jeremy: it's interesting to me,
everybody sort of like deals
with their shit differently.
obviously we have like Nat who deals
with it by doing drugs and drinking.
Like if she's been in and out
of, you know, rehab several
Bee: Ned, I think is the most
normal, least fucked up of
Jeremy: Yeah.
I mean, that is dealing with it.
She's just dealing with it in a bad way.
Uh, TASA is completely under control
while she's awake, but she tucks it down
so deep that she starts sleepwalking
and doing nefarious shit in her,
in her sleep without her knowledge.
Misty is just like, living
life the way she wants to.
Bee: Mi Misty is straight
up Nurse ratchet.
EC: yeah.
She's fully integrated her, demons, like
she and her demons are a machine that
works with high efficiency, you know?
Jeremy: I think it's interesting how
Misty is portrayed because I think to
some extent there, there's some amount
of like textbook sociopathy there where
she is like doing her best to be friendly
and nice to everybody, but she doesn't
understand why people don't like her.
Like she doesn't understand why people are
bothered by the way that she like talks
to them the way that she acts, this sort
of bright and cheery exterior that she's
putting on, on top of everything else.
And I, I think it's interesting how that
manifests differently between her as a
teenager and her as an adult.
Bee: Yeah.
I think there's like just that
narcissism of needing control
or wanting to be needed.
I mean, how she routinely breaks
her own or others' cars in order
to force people into giving her
rides or taking rides of her,
EC: manipulation is so second nature
to her that when she is caught, she's
just like, well, it was necessary.
Like she understands why she's doing it,
and she's just like, it's basically the
quickest way to do something for her.
Like a lot of sociopaths will be
confused when people don't act the way
that they want them to act, but they
won't be as vulnerable about that.
'cause Misty gets like,
Bee: I think there's
maybe more narcissism with
EC: yeah.
yeah.
she cares too much in a way.
Jeremy: as a kid, it feels
much more like a, like a mental
illness that she is, is struggling
Bee: diagnosing.
Jeremy: Uh, like that she
is, she is trying to figure out,
Why people don't like her and what
it is that she does that, you know,
they don't like, and she's trying to
calibrate herself to do these things.
Whereas, you know, as, as an
adult, she's just like, oh.
when Nat asks her why she sabotaged
her car, she was like, oh, I knew
you wouldn't take me with me.
Take me with you otherwise.
So like, I had to obviously.
Right.
So like, it, it's very clear that
like she makes these sort of plans
with like, enough, time in advance
to like, ask for days off at work.
Like
it's that level of like planning out
her seemingly irrational decisions.
EC: One of the main plot points is,
you know, who's the blackmailer and
Misty, Misty is sort of sidelined
for this investigation that tasa Nat
and Shauna implement to just kind of
figure out who the Blackmailer is.
Jeremy: Well, Shauna is sidelined for some
of it too because she doesn't realize that
other people are being blackmailed because
EC: yes.
Yeah.
She's not getting the blackmail
letters, but she's been hooked into
the, effort by the others who have been
Bee: The blackmail definitely is
part of a trend in the plot threads
of the present day storyline,
EC: And the, blackmail here has a
lot of moving parts that we, as the
audience are sort of introduced to
like Adam, like Jessica, the journalist
Jeremy: Yeah, so we find out that
Jessica is not a journalist, but that
she's working for TASA as a fixer,
to make sure nobody else is gonna talk
about what happened in the mountains.
As she's running
for state Senate,
Bee: what would Taisha have
done if one of them had talked?
EC: Who
Jeremy: confronted them
EC: probably confronted them and
probably, I mean, like it depends on,
like how in control the bad tasa was.
Shauna and Tasa and Nat have kind
of a fun big leki style stakeout
where they're trying to figure
out who the, blackmailer is.
which leads Shauna to think that
Adam has stolen her journals, has
done all of this research, and
now has reason to blackmail her.
Now, if this seems flimsy, it is,
Jeremy: Well, she thinks that's Adam,
ultimately because Adam hides in their
closet when, uh, her husband comes home.
They've been hooking up in their house and
after he leaves later, she finds like the
various confetti and sprinkles that the.
blackmailer got all over him in the closet
and then goes to confront him about it,
accidentally murders him, and then, uh,
figures out that it wasn't him at all.
It was her husband, which is why
it was in her husband's closet and
why she wasn't being blackmailed
'cause he didn't want their name.
Bee: Also, it sure was convenient that
he just happened to be at the hotel.
She followed her husband too.
EC: Yeah, I mean, he was
very suspicious already just
because also he wasn't online.
Like there was a lot of stuff
going on with him that was, for
lack of a better word, sussy.
Bee: in the present day, season one
definitely had a bit of a habit of like,
here are interesting mysteries and plot
threads, and the big reveal is these
fucking messes did it to themselves.
EC: yeah, so it turns out that Jeff was
blackmailing the others, because he wanted
money to pay some loan sharks that helped
him keep his furniture business open.
And one of the lone sharks is a
beautiful woman that he met at a hotel.
So, um,
Jeremy: very afraid of,
according to him at least.
EC: yeah, he's, he's terrified of her.
He also involved Randy, who's a
character that I haven't mentioned yet.
He's sort of a deadbeat once, like
idiot kid, now, idiot, adult that
they all knew in, high school.
who once had a, crush on Shauna.
But he is sort of, kicked around in
this whole situation as somebody who
is even less understanding or even
qualified to be dealing with this
level of intrigue and or trauma.
So that's Randy in a nutshell.
Shauna threatens his life a couple
of times because she's mad about it.
but all in all just her funsies.
Yeah.
And we also have Misty taking her
own steps to solve the mystery
by kidnapping Jessica and putting
her in her basement and basically,
Holding her hostage and waiting
for her to confess what she's done.
This leads Misty some places, but
not enough to keep Jessica alive.
Jeremy: Yeah.
So I mean, like you were talking
about Ben, like the fact that a,
a lot of the reveals in the first
season are they did it to themselves.
I think that's true, both of the black
male and of the reporter, both of
which, Turn out to be related
directly to our characters.
The one thing that isn't, they keep
assuming is related back to them, which
is that Travis has been found hanging.
the police have written it off as a
suicide, but they like found a, like his,
bank account was closed the day after he
died and somebody withdrew all the money.
And then also there was several
imprints left from candles being,
uh, lit under where he was hanging
in the shape of the symbol that
they've, you know, seen in the lodge.
They all know about they
got on the blackmail.
Since Shauna covers up for her husband
having done this stuff, they have no way
to know whether or not, there's something
else going on with with Travis, uh, until
the end of the first season where, Nat
who is on the edge of killing herself
gets abducted by a group of people.
Well, also we hear the voicemail from her
former AA sponsor or I guess NA sponsor
who is, uh, very upset that she has gotten
her involved in something big and horrible
involving one of the other people who
we haven't seen alive in the present.
Lottie I think the thing that struck me
the most about this series is that, um,
I initially going in was like, alright,
we crash in the deserted wilderness
and weird shit starts happening.
The first person I'm
worried about is Laura Lee.
'cause like Laura Lee is
very,
Bee: So
Jeremy: very super Christian.
Like, has like a lot of thoughts and
ideas that immediately for me I was
like, this is not a person I wanna
be stranded in the wilderness with.
and
Bee: when she goes, then the first
thing she looks for is her teddy bear.
Jeremy: Laura Lee to her credit, dies in
a blaze of glory trying to save everybody
else, but not before she sets up Lottie
as the main bad guy of this, part of the
story, Lottie sees visions, legitimately
sees the future in some way or another.
Like that is pretty finely
established in the story, is like
They're not always very clear, but
like, that's actually happening.
And it's not been happening
because she's been on medication.
And now, now that her medication
has run out, it is happening again.
EC: Yeah.
Jeremy: And so, like
Lonnie is afraid of this.
Laura Lee is like, oh, it's a gift.
Like encourages her to, to embrace
this and assume that it is a
gift from God and that God is
working through her in some way.
And that turns Lottie into very quickly,
uh, cult leader type who then gets a
lot of like, that status justified when
a bear just straight up walks to her
and lays down and lets her kill it.
Which, you know, that when they're
getting ready to start starving
because they don't have any food.
it was interesting to me this swap
I was immediately like, I don't
want anything to do with Laura
Lee, but I was like, I like Lottie.
Lottie obviously is tortured, has
this thing going on, you know?
they swapped that one out they
do the same thing to some extent.
Obviously I haven't seen season two,
but they do the same thing a little
bit with Van, who throughout most of
the first season is, is with tasa.
They have a very like, cute relationship
as teens and like, they legitimately
care for each other and love each other.
And then like despite not wanting
to, she follows TAs out when Tassa
wants to go looking for help.
And then gets ravaged by wolves when
tasa like falls asleep on guard duty and
sleep walks off miraculously survives
despite TASA and everybody else's
effort to give her a Viking funeral.
Um, she wakes up on,
the pire and then like,
Bee: We need like a van on fire
counter that goes off in the corner.
Jeremy: Yeah, I love that Van
immediately makes a joke out of this.
She's like, are you kidding me?
Fire?
Like, come on.
But like, she's very
self-conscious about being torn up.
So when they go to the, when they decide
to have a party, like TASA makes her a,
a mask, that she wears a match in one
of, so they can be cute and everything
together, but also like, we begin to find
out that like she also, she thinks she
saw something while she was dying that has
given her a, a, void to fill for faith.
And Lottie is an obvious like
receptacle of that faith.
by the end of it, she is, you know, we
see her and and Lottie and Misty sort
of like praying together in the woods to
this, I guess it's the heart of the bear
that they have put in this tree stump.
they're
EC: all sorts of stuff in the
tree stump that they've sort
of set up to be an altar.
Jeremy: Yeah.
So, uh, it's, I don't know where
that goes from there, obviously.
We'll, I'll find out when I watch it.
But yeah, the van sort of goes from
being like this, this one's my fave.
I like her to being practically
dead, to being like, oh God, I
don't really know where van's at.
But like, it makes so much sense.
This like, She has this argument with
TASA where like tasa is a diehard atheist.
TASA is like, there is an
explanation for everything.
I will not accept that this is
unexplainable or that there is something
supernatural or religious going on here.
And that like ends up, pushing van away.
' cause Van has had an experience, which
she is sure is, proof of something
and she's not sure exactly what.
EC: Well,
Bee: yeah,
I love all the supernatural
mysteries in this show.
I'm into it all.
Like the dark quasi forest spiritualism
is just like, hmm, let me just
suck that all up with a straw yumm.
EC: uh, oh, yeah.
I mean, that's, that's
delicious aesthetic.
I love it.
I'll, I like, love it.
Gotta have it.
But the one thing that I haven't
talked about in terms of recap that
I think is important just to kind
of put a cherry on this cake is the
doom coming, which is, uh, I think
the penultimate episode of the, of
season one or maybe the last episode.
Which is where they, arrange a
homecoming in the woods for morale.
Jeremy: They're sure they're gonna die and
they're like, let's have it one last party
before we run out of food and start dying.
EC: Yes.
they're just basically
like, well, fuck it.
let's party.
And
Jeremy: Misty has pulled out her
special hallucinogenic mushrooms
so that she can, uh, fuck her gay coach,
EC: well, the mushrooms are mostly
accidental, but she doesn't,
um, intervene as much
as she probably should.
Jeremy: she intends for
that to be the outcome.
Somebody else picks them up and
puts them into the stew that
they're making for everybody.
And then she's like, I can't tell them
that that was so I could rape my coach.
Um, I guess we're all gonna get high now.
the only person who
doesn't eat it is jacking.
Bee: Jackie's a square.
EC: well, and Jackie
is busy fucking Travis
Jeremy: I'm hating everybody else,
including herself.
Bee: Jackie is such a fucking hater.
EC: she is, and you know, I mean, I can
understand where Jackie's coming from.
You know, she, was so sure of
herself and the world that she came
from, and now nothing makes sense.
She has lost all position, all
authority, like all the, parameters
that gave her status in the civilized
world that she's used to are gone.
And now she has really nothing to offer.
now we're, we're embracing doom.
We're doom coming now.
So she decides to fuck Travis because
she's, you know, she wants to get the
whole virginity thing over with 'cause
she has made a big deal out of that
previously, like she's established to kind
of, she thinks that's an important thing.
Jeremy: She wants to fuck somebody
and seems to have no idea that
her best friend wants to fuck her.
So
EC: Yeah.
Jeremy: I, I feel like that gets muddier
as the series goes on, but I feel like
in the first couple episodes, it's very
clear that Shauna wants to fuck Jackie
she ends up having sex with Jeff because
she wants to have sex with Jackie, and
Jeff wants to have sex with Jackie, but
she's not having sex with either of them,
Bee: The
psychosexual friendship between Jackie and
Shauna is the stuff of messy queer legend.
EC: my God.
I mean, That definitely goes places.
Bee: The amount of, I hate her.
I wanna be her.
I wanna fuck her.
I hate her.
I love her, is just
off the fucking charts.
Just an endless rollercoaster
of like, Jackie is fucking
a hundred percent a lesbian.
And oh my God, when the other girls are
just being like, fucking, we're desperate.
Travis is cute.
And Jackie's just being like,
no, I'm free in the forest of
compulsory heterosexuality.
And then Shauna is just the
messiest goddamn disaster by
EC: Shauna has a lot going on.
Bee: Shauna gets the most sexually into
it is just in places that will be like,
SHA, what the fuck are you doing Shauna?
EC: oh yeah.
Later on.
Yeah.
Shauna and Jeff.
it's one of those things where you,
it's like an improv where you're Yes.
Ending at all the wrong times,
Bee: You're right, they fail in com.
they are utter fails in such
completely different ways, and yet
it's like two puzzle pieces fitting
together to just make like more fail
than you thought was scientifically
possible in a single couple.
EC: Yeah.
But you know, they become
stronger as a family.
But anyway,
Jeremy: they all eat the soup
EC: They start tripping and then
suddenly there's this primal force that
Jeremy: well,
so yeah, everybody trips balls and goes
and has sex except for this group of
this chorus of teen girls who get pissed
off that, Jackie is, is sleeping with
with Travis and decide to go take him
back from her because she has taken
something that doesn't belong to her
they basically go seize him and have.
What starts out rather like an orgy and
then turns into a sacrifice with them
expecting Shauna to butcher him for them.
Um,
EC: It's very mysteries
at Delphi kind of thing.
Jeremy: they, they seem to want
to consume him any way possible.
EC: yeah, they see him with
a deer head and they're like,
oh, we're gonna kill him.
And then they are
stopped from killing him.
Bee: Fucking Jackie
dramas herself to death.
EC: Yeah, well, jaggy, that's the thing.
She does.
She's like, fine, I won't
hang out with you guys.
And then she, decides to sleep
outside and she freezes to death.
It's unclear whether the girls are
mad because Jackie, fuck Travis and
like Nat was supposed to fuck Travis.
Or if they see Travis as some kind
of Taliman because he's like the only
eligible dude in the group but there's a
lot of wh shit going on with everybody's
kind of reasoning as they're trying to
figure out reality out here in the woods.
But with Lottie, like Straight
up predicting shit and like
magically summing bears.
you know, there's a lot of weird shit.
Like they slaughter a buck that's
like losing the antler velvet,
so it's like all bloody and shit.
the buck is actually like, it's probably
got chronic wasting or something.
'cause it's, like full of maggots.
Bee: it's, some great horror imagery.
EC: yeah, I mean it's nature.
Like a lot of the stuff is, explainable
as like weird nature shit going on.
So there's never really like an intense
yes or no, whether it is supernatural
or not, other than like, how pretty spot
on lottie's, um, hallucinations are.
But again, she's just like, I
saw an explosion in a Red River.
The Red River is full of I iron and clay.
And the explosion is the plane,
you know, and these are both
things that are vague enough.
But it does say a lot of interesting
things to me about groupthink and
group mentality dynamics, which really
reflected that there was this, Trying
to come of age as a teen and like
dealing with alien feelings and also
trying to, uh, make sense of what
you're supposed to be as opposed to
what you are and things like that.
I mean, it's very general, but there's
something very specific about how out
in the woods and everybody's like,
become this sort of community structure.
There's a lot going on there.
I think it's really interesting.
Jeremy: I appreciate the, like, shifting
dynamics of this story and that like,
it starts off like, Jackie's the leader.
Everybody listens to Jackie, but as
Jackie refuses to survival skills,
they start paying attention to
tasa who's more of a go-getter.
She's gonna get things done,
she's gonna fix things.
Jackie is just sort of playing waste roll
and oh, somebody's gonna come save us.
Uh, whereas Tasa like has plans,
but Tessa's, fa plans all fail.
they start following Laura Lee
because she's like, she has this
plan, she has faith, she's sure that
you know, she has a way to save them.
And when that fails, they slowly
start sliding towards Lottie.
Cause Lottie her character,
she just drew it.
And nobody, nobody seems to have realized
that until like the end of the season.
She can summon animals and she has,
some ability to predict the future.
EC: she does have divine spells.
Bee: Lottie is the maid.
you don't fuck with the maid.
EC: Well, and that's the thing
too, is that Lottie just kind of
says shit, and then people start to
incorporate it into their reality,
Bee: Well, I like the, the one girl
who, I don't even know her name,
she's been in the show for two
seasons, but she's just like trying
to set herself up as Lottie's Pope.
EC: Yeah.
There's a couple girls that just
kind of preach the gospel of Lottie,
Jeremy: there's Mari.
who is who throughout the
entire series is just a bitch.
She just, she just like, she's
just there to deliver the
things that are too horrible for
anybody else in the group to say
in a lot of cases.
Like I think she's the one that's
like, We would let you near the food
Misty after you poisoned all of us.
Bee: Theory time.
I don't think we're gonna
get adult Mari in this show.
Time.
EC: Yeah.
I mean the other thing about all of this
is that we have, from the first episode,
We have the girl getting killed in the
woods, so we know at least one of them
that is currently alive is gonna get eaten
Bee: so I did count it up.
How many people were in that
like antler, queen eat scene,
you know, which is, I guess, our
maximum for how many can survive.
if I counted correctly, which
EC: to,
Bee: Or.
EC: yeah.
Bee: Is uh, eight.
Well, no, because they more people
could have died after that scene in
between for, we don't know where that
is, be between there and the rescue is
ma like, it could be like eight people.
And as of season two, we know seven.
EC: Yes.
Bee: There's Travis, Misty Nat,
Taisha, Shauna as we find out at
the end of season one, Lottie and a
seventh that we meet in season two.
EC: Yes,
Bee: So we, there is still one other
person who ostensibly could have survived.
EC: It's Coach Ben.
he's like on his yacht, they show
him on his yacht and he's like
listening to Night At the Roxbury.
Bee: cut to Coach Ben and
he's just wearing sunglasses.
Been like, been nothing but blow jobs
and great times for the last 20 years.
EC: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Jeremy: I think for a lot of the, like
first season, there's sort of the group
that's the chorus and people start to
drift into being like major characters
throughout because it's really just
like that sort of core four for a while.
And then like, it's like, oh, and
there's Van, oh and there's Lottie.
But then you have like also
Mari and Akila who are sort of
like, they're extra, you know,
EC: and some of these characters
do get a little bit more fleshed
out in season two as well,
Jeremy: I would assume they don't
have Jackie taking up so
much time anymore, you know?
Bee: That's true.
I wanna see like the reverse side of
this, where it's like all the people
that are there for soccer nationals,
then one team shows up just having gone
through a whole yellow jacket situation.
I'm at, they got back in time and
now there's just like one team
that's just full of fucking insane.
EC: they'll show up with
the furs on and they've got
Like
Bee: like
insane fucking Yeah.
Like the fucking crazy
cannibal like soccer team.
EC: God, it's like in Shell and
soccer, how they have the evil team.
Bee: Yeah.
EC: They're like using
fucking witchcraft and shit.
Bee: Just parade it around.
Jackie's frozen corps.
Just throwing it around like a mascot.
EC: yeah,
Jeremy: I was trying to kind of track
time in this, and it feels like the
first season is about six months.
They say they were out
there for a year and a half.
Then the first season it goes from
they're missing prom to go to nationals.
And then by the end it's, you
know, Jackie gets killed because
she goes to sleep outside.
And then there's like, Three
feet of snow overnight, and she
freezes to death by the campfire.
EC: yeah.
Jeremy: By her Really shitty
Bee: more so, more of the story.
If it's snowing out, try your
best not to sleep outside.
EC: that, and you know, if
you're in a survival situation,
you get in a fight with somebody,
it's not worth freezing over.
Okay.
Jeremy: Especially not if
there's two floors in the house.
I mean,
EC: yeah.
Like you can sleep in the
fucking dead guy attic.
Okay.
Like, I know there was a dead guy
up there and, but they did get
rid of him and they did a seance.
And, and I do wanna say like Laura Lee
for being like the religious one did
not make as much of a big deal about
the seance as I thought she would.
Like, she was still like, she was a
team player I kinda like that about
Laura Lee she, she tried her best.
Jeremy: Lauralee turns out
Bee: I mean she re, she repaired
an airplane that would've worked
if not for dark forest magic
EC: I think the airplane was fucked.
I think it was that the airplane
was old and it was full of like
Bee: that teddy bear
spontaneously combusted.
That was some forest magic.
I'm team forest magic
EC: I think the teddy bear was
probably made of like, I don't know.
Uh, yeah.
Jeremy: I mean I think the problem is
like these two sort of dynamic sides
of like the Laura Lee Lottie side of
like everything's God and or magic.
And then tasa on the other side, that's
like, nothing is God or magic They're,
they're really headbutting quite a
bit and like, that's what leads to a
lot of the friction is like, nobody
is like, maybe some of it's magic,
EC: yeah.
Yeah.
Jeremy: like there is something clearly
fucked up and weird going on here, but
also not all of it is fucking magic.
Bee: magic for some tiny
American flags for others.
EC: well, Theban, I feel kind of rides
the line a little bit, but she is kind
of sipping on the flavor aid it feels
like towards the end of season one.
I wanna get into some of the
progressive politics, especially
the way that this is dealing with I
don't wanna say like mental illness
because Laie isn't so much mentally
ill is that she is just on medication.
Her parents
don't know what is going on with her.
But she is, I'm pretty sure
she's taking antipsychotics.
Bee: With Lottie really remind
me of just kind of, that.
Historical connection the way some
societies have interpreted what
we consider to be mental illness.
some societies have considered
to be communing with other
powers or spirits or worlds.
So thought that was an interesting
angle on it that to put us in
like, oh, is this in Pilate's head
or is this real in its own way?
Jeremy: I mean, I feel like it hits
a point very in between those that
like it is real, but also it is
disruptive enough to her life that
like she was able to control it with
medication and that was like, important
to do in normal day-to-day life.
But she definitely has some sort of
premonition powers if nothing else.
Bee: you know, who they become and
the differences like I think it just
shows, the way that in one world they're
a celebrator, condemned for these
traits that save them or doomed them.
Like everything, that makes Jackie,
someone who's able to thrive and rise
to the top in a high school environment
utterly fucks her over in a survivalist
woods environment like, When she's not
smashing responders, Misty goes from,
you know, looked over and completely
unvalued to someone that's relied on that.
They wouldn't know what they do
without in a lot of instances.
So I, think there's what, in one
world is a disease to be managed is in
another world, a gift to be celebrated.
EC: yeah.
there's a bit in the very beginning
when Allie breaks her leg that Misty
is trying really hard to address it.
And she's like, well, you gotta set
it and you gotta do all these things.
And nobody take, like, they just basically
push
her
away.
Yeah.
Like, you don't know what you're
talking about, blah, blah, blah.
And then the moment that there
isn't somebody to push her away.
She manages to do the things
that she says she can do.
And I think she doesn't quite
believe it either, you know,
until it becomes like routine.
Bee: yeah, and that's again, I,
you know, keep comparing it to Lost
is like, it does go like what this
place is and how supernatural it is.
Like it's never as
overt as it was on Lost.
Lost was straight up.
This man was permanently paralyzed
and then could instantly walk again
the second he got to this island
like,
Jeremy: made of smoke.
Bee: And there's a monster
made of smoke, like
Jeremy: No smoke monsters in this one.
Bee: just like wolves.
That'll fuck you up.
EC: yeah.
And the wolves.
yeah, those are regular,
regular wolves will fuck you up.
But the perspective of this group and
then sort of, the fact that like Vladi
says some random shit and they're
like, oh yeah, you know, whatever.
She said, you know, the forest is angry.
We need to give the forest
something, you know?
it doesn't work necessarily
because that's how things work.
It's because that's how they see it
working, Which is a big issue with.
Group think, it's a, it's a big
issue with a lack of critical
thinking in a, desperate situation.
Especially as a teen there's
already a lot going on as teens
that they're trying to figure out.
And their, definition of the world
around them changes drastically.
I think writing in this is
really fantastic and that
how it portrays the teens.
I was reading that one of the, Ashley
Lyle heard about a reboot of one of the
flies where it was all girls that was
pitched, or it was like announced and
nobody thought it would work because
they were like, well, girls wouldn't
do the same thing the boys would do in
a survival situation, like in Lord of
the Flies, and they're all, there was
all this skepticism about it because
there's all this like sexist bullshit
about how like, girls are sensitive
at caregiving no matter what, and they
weren't, supporters of women's wrongs.
Jeremy: I do think it's interesting
in the ways that this is and isn't
adaptation of Lord of the Flies and
that like it is conceptually the same.
And like that was you know,
something Alicia was noting as
we were starting to watch it.
And I think if you watch the first
episode having seen Lord of the Flies,
they plant something in there to trick
you, which is, you don't see Misty as an
adult until the end of the first episode.
And you assume Misty is the piggy of
this story because she is the sweet,
caring, sensitive one who wants people
to like her and you know, has glasses
as well and is just sort of like, has
difficulty with people.
And
Bee: ain't the pig.
EC: Nope.
Jeremy: yeah, by the end of the
second episode, she is trashing the
transponder so people cannot find them.
She finds herself more useful
in this scenario than she ever
has been in, in normal life.
Which is, like it's a great twist
for the first episode, especially if
people are going into it thinking,
oh, it's lord of the Flies with girls.
EC: Yeah,
Bee: I love the moment where like
the bully calls her and she thinks
she's gonna win by quoting Play-Doh.
And of course the natural teenage
girl response is like, what kinda
fucking weirdo is quoting Play-Doh?
Jeremy: yeah.
EC: yeah.
Opinion is the wilderness
between knowledge and ignorance.
Bee: This is why they
make fun of you, Misty.
Jeremy: and that finishing bit where
Misty is introduced at the, at the
end of the first episode working
in the, uh, adult care facility.
And, um, she is still getting
bullied it seems, by these old
ladies that she's taking care of.
And like she puts this woman's, dinner
on the table, this woman's chat herself.
She's upset that like, she's just
changed this bed and while she's turning
around to get the sheets, the woman
like, throws her food on the floor.
And the reaction with which Misty turns
around and says, oh, I think this pain
medication is upsetting your stomach,
so you're just gonna have to miss this
dose, and like, takes it with her and
then says, don't fuck with me, is like,
The best, the best, twist.
That isn't a twist at all.
It's just introducing the,
you know, the character.
But because you're going in thinking,
oh, this is this, you know, pathetic,
sad character who's gonna end up
dying, you know, you then see that, and
then they reveal that she is, the one
behind the, fur mask and the, ceremony
that we've seen at the beginning.
Bee: There's a reason they cast
Christina Richie for this character.
EC: I mean, between the needle
drops and the presence of Christina
Ricci and Juliette Lewis, this
show knows who it's talking to.
Bee: also, let's give it up
for fucking Melanie Linsky.
who gives like a
performance of a lifetime.
As Shauna,
EC: She is incredible.
Bee: Just like the way she's
able to balance intensity with
exasperated casualness about
the dark as shit imaginable.
Makes me think that Melanie Linsky
should play a James Bond villain,
EC: yeah.
everything she does is
sort of exasperated casual.
Like her whole life is exasperated casual.
She's a
Jeremy: he exasperatedly
casually stabs a man.
And then,
EC: Yeah.
Jeremy: in the bathtub,
EC: Yeah.
And she's just like, everything.
She's just exasperated over, she's
exasperated about the rabbit, she's
exasperated about her daughter.
Bee: To the point where like everyone
is justifiably being like, Shauna, you
murdered a man, and she is responding with
the energy of that she forgot something
when she went to the grocery store.
EC: She's like, why are
you guys being so mean to
Bee: Yeah, like honestly, it's
like they're having to cover up
a murder and she's just like,
look, we all make mistakes.
Okay.
Stop being so mad.
EC: Yeah.
Yeah.
Jeremy: I, I guess that sort of leads
us naturally to talk about the, feminism
of this show, because I think talking
about some of the speeches that, not
just Melanie Linsky, but specifically
Melanie Linsky, but a lot of the other
characters, given this story, it really
reminds me of if you guys have seen the
first episode of Glow, there's this like
scene where Alice Bree's character goes in
to read for a part and she's like, reading
this great monologue speech, and they're
like, oh, actually that's the man's part.
You're supposed to be
reading the secretary.
That's like, yes sir.
Okay sir.
And like, this show is just like hacked
with like speeches and, and bits for
the female characters that are just
like, So chewy and complicated and dark
in some spots that you're just like,
damn, like the writing in this is good.
Like, there's so many interesting
female characters that for so long
there just weren't room for on tv.
Like there just wasn't a place where
you could see characters like this.
And now
this show has like 12 of them.
Bee: yeah, any show.
Throwing this many compelling,
complicated, messy, captivating women
characters at you is inherently feminist.
EC: Yes.
I mean, it's no question.
And, and that was the thing I
was saying with the Lord of the
Flies thing, is that Ashley Lyle
was like, yeah, you can do this.
Women are people too.
Support women's wrongs.
Women's can wrong.
Women can wrongs.
You know what I said?
Jeremy: Yeah.
I, I wanted to talk a little bit about,
like, we talked about the adult female
cast a lot, but specifically like
Sophie Thatcher who plays teenage.
Natalie is so good.
Like I haven't seen, the only thing
I've ever seen her in is Boba Fat, where
she plays one of the like random teens.
Bee: It has a completely
inexplicable British accent.
Jeremy: There for no reason.
And that's fine.
Whatever.
Boba is fine, but like, in this show,
she's simultaneously so fragile,
but also like the strong one.
Like she is constantly in this like
space of between crying and talk people
to fuck themselves that is like so good.
And this, this, like these conversations
that she has with Coach Ben, where like,
she's the only one that's perceptive
enough to realize that he is gay.
And like the only reason that
she gives for realizing it is
he never stares at their boobs.
Which, you know, I've never been
a teen girl playing sports, but
I assume that's something that
you would notice at some point.
And the, the sort of like relationship
the two of them have, and the way
that she ends up being sort of the
voice of reason despite having more
reason to be angry than most of them.
And she's, she's constantly the one
that's sort of like saving other people.
Her and Shauna both.
The actress who plays Shauna is.
fantastic.
She's really written in a lot of the
ways that, like Willow is for the first
couple seasons of Buffy, of like the
best female friend who's kind of sad
and hasn't figured her shit out yet.
but she's so much deeper and more
interesting than, you know, Willow ends
up eventually having more to do, but
she's so like much more of a, person.
EC: yeah, there's a bit of like a sort
of cartoon clueless dynamic at the very
beginning i, the show's really good at
setting up archetype and just breaking
free of it in such a meaningful way.
With the characters, like a lot of
their Vignettes about their particular
situations and everything in that
first episode, especially like Misty
watching the rat drowning in her pool.
we're sort of preparing to see how those
stereotypes are going to be broken.
And the process feels very like
graceful and literary in a way that
like you can write essays about.
Jeremy: Yeah, the, the
writing is excellent.
The only real concerns or problems I
have with the writing is that sometimes
they're trying to do a little too much.
I mean, the first few episodes are,
are a little confusing because there
are a hundred characters and you
don't know who any of them are, and
Bee: It's definitely, it's definitely
one of those shows where it's gonna
take a while, like it, a little like
Game of Thrones or Walking Dead or
something where it's just like there's
a lot of characters and it's gonna
take you time to get fully invested.
And just understanding who is everyone.
Jeremy: Yeah, because like in the,
you know, the second episode is
where the plane crash actually
happens, and like when we see the,
the girl who's been impaled by the
steel pipe, I was like, who is that?
I don't know.
Like I, I'm sure that should be tragic,
but I, I don't know which of the a
hundred characters I saw last episode.
This is I found that really frustrating
in the first episode or two, but like I,
it's part of the process with this many
cast members especially with this many
of the cast members being teen girls.
There's a little bit of like, who is that?
But I, I think, you know, they do actually
do a good job of having a, a somewhat
diverse cast especially in like body type.
I, I think in a lot of shows and movies
calling Jackie, like the pretty one, you'd
be like, yes, but they all kind of look
like that within two or three degrees of
her, um, because that's who they cast.
But like,
Bee: I mean, you've got
Jasmine Savoy Brown is great.
I mean, the whole great,
like young Shauna's great.
I mean, again, I, I love this cast.
I don't, there's not a, they all
do fantastic jobs and I think,
again, the characters both young
and old, all work really well.
EC: Yeah.
Jeremy: and
I.
Bee: up really nicely.
Jeremy: There's a lot to be said for
the wardrobe, especially in like the
first episode of, of teen nineties
girls that like, there's a lot of just
the, the way they dress, the way they
stand, the way they import themselves
in the world, like tells you a lot
about the character from the get-go.
Like you can tell a lot about Shauna,
by the way, Shauna dresses and you
know, the way that she is uncomfortable
with Jackie's suggestions about how
she should dress to go to the party.
you know, Shauna and her
flannel are inseparable.
Bee: Jackie's like wanting to control
slash be with Shauna is just like the
degree to which Jackie always needs
Shauna on her side doing what she wants.
I mean, this is again, truly one of
just a tier platinum class, psychosexual
girlfriend, romantic girl friendship.
of the toxic variety.
EC: Yeah.
And also we have, speaking of L G B T, we
have so much representation in the show,
Bee: Oh yeah.
EC: The, the TAA situation is so
interesting because we have, like,
I remember at the very beginning
there's a photographer that's saying
that, oh, you're such an inspiration.
You're so brave, and having TSA be
the, powerful token gay is really,
it's, it's an interesting choice for me.
And it's also like, of
very progressive choice.
in terms of the characters
that we have surviving.
'cause you know, we have Coach Ben, we
don't know what happens to Coach Ben.
Bee: Yes, coach Ben was
still remains a big mystery
EC: coach Ben is a mystery.
Bee: coach.
Ben might be one of the biggest
mysteries at this point.
EC: yeah.
Bless his heart.
Bee: Bless his poor gay suffering heart.
EC: yeah.
Young Tassa and Van's
relationship is very cute.
And also, at a certain point when they
come out, everyone's like, yeah, you know,
there's not really any resistance there.
Jeremy: There's a couple of people
that are like, wait, are they together?
And other people are like, yeah, duh.
EC: yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Bee: I did love a true television
adaptation of their lesbians.
Harold.
EC: Yeah.
Jeremy: Yeah.
the scene with them, like at the lake
together, writing things on each other's
back, seeing if like the other person
can figure out what they're writing is
like, it's such a, like, cute interaction,
um, in the midst of all the other
shit that's going on at that point.
for most of the season, they're
the only functional couple
.
Everybody else is having like legit
teen drama and their drama, although
you know it escalates, is much
more of the survival type, not of
the like bitchy teen drama type.
EC: yeah.
And I do like that we have pretty
good precedent of this in terms of
like this space that we don't see
of them surviving in the cabin.
like they have a routine about what
to do about their period and they
have you know, how they do their
laundry and how they manage their
waste and all that kind of stuff.
So like the problem isn't
that they're by themselves.
They have figured out a survival.
It's not like the immediate.
Crumbling of, of any semblance
of civilization that you see
like in Lord of the Flies.
But, the character development
is what matters about that.
And the fact that there are other things
involved in the crumbling of this society.
You know, whether they are
supernatural or just like one
toxic element in the community, or
Jeremy: Yeah, that I, I think
it's interesting that we see sort
of the difference between TA's,
teenage presumably first queer
relationship and her adult marriage
to another woman, which is like a
very different sort of relationship
which goes south in its own way.
But like they're not, not
necessarily, I think they're not
necessarily portrayed as so brave for
being, you know, in love with each other.
And together they're just
like, this is a relationship.
And, and sort of the way we were talking
about, about they slash them, where
everybody who's queer is so brave.
Um, you know, they're just like, they're
married, they've been married for a while,
they have a kid, they're living together.
They do love each other, but also
like they have you know, her, her
wife in particular, uh, has very
like real boundaries of like, okay,
I, I do need to think about myself.
I need to think about our son.
Uh, this is not
a love conquers all situation.
Bee: Taisha has lots of problems.
Being gay is not one of them.
EC: yeah.
And the, the way that they depict that
photographer saying like, you're so brave.
Being like,
they're like,
Bee: give me the Kennedy's.
EC: yeah.
It's like well, thanks, but
this isn't about me being gay.
Can you shut up please?
Like, I've, you know, this
isn't what defines me.
I'm also trying to make a
difference in the world.
And, the being gay doesn't
really come into her whole,
having like trauma in fugue.
Jeremy: I ask is sort of weirdly
nebulous in this and that, you know,
they all sort of are out in the woods,
but also like they do have a spread
from like, Nat whose family lives in
the trailer, who are very poor, that,
you know, her dad is, is abusive and.
Fucking horrible and
fucking dead because of it.
And that, that's a fucking twist
that that scene where we've seen her
dad with his head half blown off.
We know that he's going to get shot
and that she, does pull the trigger,
but he has the safety on safety
he goes off talking shit about
her after it's come to this and
then ends up accidentally blowing
his own brains out when he trips.
Is it is like that's that was wild.
I did not expect that to turn out.
That seemed to go that direction.
EC: Yeah, like, I'm glad that it wasn't
her, like just, but she, you know, in her
mind she might as well have shot him and
that's what is communicated in her, arc.
And I think, you know, her
mom blames her for it too.
Jeremy: Yeah.
But when we see her, we see, like,
TASA is obviously better off,
I forget whose parents it is.
They, They,
say arrange the private flight,
Bee: It's a Lottie, which I will
say Lottie being independently
wealthy makes some stuff in
season two make a lot more sense.
That explains some stuff.
I had forgotten that detail, that Lottie
is apparently very rich and that, yeah,
season two is not quite a pothole as
much as I thought it might have been.
EC: Yeah.
there's a lot in the first episode,
even like, where she has a maid give
her her meds and she's on, like,
at the head of this long mahogany
table in a, in elaborate dining
room with like a view and stuff.
Jeremy: I think the only time we
really actually see her parents
is in her double flashback,
which like, those are the
episodes that I'm a little
less there for at some points.
At the point that we are
balancing three timelines,
um,
You know, Natalie's a bit closer in time
to the 96 past, but like the, the episode
in the first couple where it's focused on
TASA and we're seeing the future or the
present tasa, the 96 tasa, and then also
Baby Tassa watching her grandmother die.
And I was like, Guys, you barely
have enough room for the stuff
you've already got in this episode.
Like a third timeline.
The, the flashing back
to the flashback is like
Bee: You didn't like yellow.
You didn't like yellow jacket babies.
Jeremy: It's
just like
Bee: I, I, I agree with you,
but also that fucking eye.
Man that is death.
Like just fucking creeped the
everliving fuck out of me.
EC: it was creepy, but I didn't
know, like, I mean, it was cool,
but it, you know, I think it
would've been fine without it.
Jeremy: I think it would've been, and
this is a little bit of like comparing
it to lost in unfair ways that like
loss was like, we flash back, we flash
present, we flash back, we flash present.
This is like, we're balancing three
timelines in a single episode.
Lost eventually would, you know, do flash
forward bits and like it was very sort
of consistent with what it was doing.
The, pacing of some of the stuff
in this series feels a little
more sort of all over the place.
I was saying this to Emily at, one point
that like partially, I think because
it's structured for Showtime and there
aren't commercial breaks, it's just like,
we're gonna do two minutes in the present
and 30 seconds in the past and five
minutes in the present, and 30 seconds
in the past and three minutes in the
present, and then 20 minutes in the past.
And it was just like,
She's like, whoa, God.
Like I, the structure is,
is not, not always good.
The story thankfully is very good.
The writing is good, but like sometimes
the structure is a little unwieldy.
EC: that's a little overwhelming at times.
Bee: Yeah, that, that, that's fair.
EC: I did wanna mention a character
that I neglected to mention, and, and
this only obliquely has to do with
the L G B T Q I A representation.
I was sad that Kevin
Tan did not transition.
The,
Bee: Yeah.
Kevin Tran.
Oh my god.
Jeremy: Kevin
Bee: Kevin Tran.
Transitioning from Golf to Cop
was not the transition I wanted
EC: yeah.
For, For, real.
I blame Marilyn Manson.
Bee: Yeah, that, that was the red flag.
EC: Yeah.
Marilyn Manson definitely.
Like, if he had like a Bauhaus shirt on or
like a cure shirt on, I've been like, oh,
Bee: uh, Kevin Tan should have been on
that Golf Boy to Trans Girl Pipeline,
EC: Yeah.
That might've been, well, they enlist him
later.
Bee: still a cop.
No,
EC: Yeah.
Well, I mean, they list them later for
the help with their mystery solving.
Bee: We do need to give a just a
special highlight before we end the
episode on one of the greatest line
deliveries in the history of television
of Jeff's devastated bewilderment and
learning that book club isn't real.
EC: God,
Jeremy: the Jeff has been, we thought
cheating on her throughout the season.
But like Jeff has several moments
throughout the season before the reveal
of what Jeff has been doing that I
was like, what are you doing, Jeff?
There's a moment where they, like on
the anniversary of fucking Jackie's
birthday, every year they go over to
her parents' house and just listen to
her parents talk shit about how great
Jackie was and how much Dick Shauna
sucked for like, hours, it seems like,
and that like, clearly this is fucking
up Shauna, but she can't say anything
because she feels guilty about Jackie
also, you know,
her
Bee: it you will find out all
sorts of reasons why Shauna feels
obligated to put up with like this
fucking ritualistic emotional abuse.
Jeremy: Well, yeah.
And that, that Jeff, at the
end, like after talking to
her is like, you know what?
We were fucking before Jackie died
also, my wife is fucking great
and smarter than Jackie ever was.
So just chill the fuck out you assholes.
EC: like,
Jeremy: And that like, he has
several moments of like, Shauna
is nothing but down on herself
and lets everybody, including her
best friend, talk shit about her.
And Jeff is the one guy that's
like, no, actually Shauna is great.
Fuck all of you guys?
Bee: also sometimes the
ghost of her best friend.
EC: oh yeah.
Jackie's ghost appears quite a
Bee: Yeah.
Jeff defending her like Jeff is
clearly more into Shauna than Jackie.
Like all in all
you, like I go into the show
just expecting to be like, this
is a nothing of a relationship.
Jeff is gonna be a nothing
but a piece of shit character.
And now I'm two seasons in and I'm
like, man, I don't know if y'all
are, just terrible in general,
but Jeff and Sean, I can't imagine
either of you if anyone else.
Jeremy: I hope you get a cell together.
just
For, for a show in which like, the
women are the starring attraction.
The men are like, surprisingly
well, they're not all likable,
but they're all well written
well, I guess, I mean
obviously we all recommend
EC: Yeah, we absolutely recommend this
for sure, for sure.
Bee: this, that.
Pete Golden Age, t drama tv.
EC: yeah, and especially if you're, you
were a girl in the nineties, it's, like
those nostalgia organs will be working
overtime with all of the needle drops.
Like they really, they
really nail it, so to speak.
Although Trent watch is still on.
Do, do, do, do Trent watch.
Trent has not been seen yet.
We got Tomos, we got Alanis
Morissette singing some of,
like the banger theme song.
A couple times doom Coming, the
Dance for Doom Coming was kissed
from a Rose which was I remember
my middle school, 1995, middle
school dance, they played that shit.
Jeremy: and we got what there was is
it, this is how we do it was in there.
EC: They had
Jeremy: Um, shoot.
Yeah.
This is the third piece of media in like
the last two weeks that I've heard Chupe,
and I don't know what it is that I'm.
Encountering Soup everywhere.
But, uh, yeah, it was great.
Uh, my recommendation aside from all the
music in this is, uh, is Melanie Linsky.
uh, if you haven't seen the Last
of us, she is, uh, like a lot of
characters in that, or like a lot of
great actors in that, A bit player.
She's in like two episodes, but her part
is so good and she is so good in it as
sort of like a, villainous character that
still has the same sort of like, has the
same sort of energy as Shauna and has
this mixture between like, being scary,
but also like seeming like she just wants
to talk to the manager of the apocalypse.
Like it's fantastic.
So definitely that.
And if you haven't seen I don't
think we've ever talked about xx,
which is a collection of short horror
films that are all female directors.
Uh, and she is in, one
called The Birthday Party.
Bee: and not a prequel to
X X X starring Vin Diesel,
Jeremy: no,
Bee: the end he gets the third X.
Jeremy: no.
Although I would love to see Melanie
Linsky as like a, a, Triple X character.
Uh, like that, you know, Melanie
Linsky and the Fast and Furious.
Universe would be fun.
EC: she could do it.
She
could so do it.
Jeremy: but yeah, XX is all sort
of like short films by female
directors with great, casts.
I know Karen Kasama directed one in there.
Is it?
Okay?
It's not, the one that she's in.
The Birthday Cake, which is the
one that, uh, Melanie Linsky
is in, is directed by St.
Vincent.
So definitely checkout xx.
it's like five quick short films with, you
know, horror films with female directors
and they're all worth checking out.
EC: Awesome.
I recommend all the movies that Van makes,
uh, that van references in the show.
And if you wanna see Juliet
Lewis not really play a burnout.
She's not really a burnout
in from dust till dawn.
Jeremy: And as much as anybody
is not a burnout and fromto,
Bee: Fair.
EC: Well, she's the least burnout of
everybody except for the, her brother.
but, you know, watch out for the,
Quentin Tarantino ness of that movie.
' 'cause
Jeremy: it also has enough
Robert Rodriguez ness to kind of.
Even it out a little bit,
EC: yeah.
Like the Robert Rodriguez.
This is what saves it.
But, you know, Quentin Tarantino
is so heavily involved that he does
have to lick Selma high's feet.
And
Jeremy: you know, that's the whole
reason he's even in that movie.
He is just like, yeah, I'll do it.
Just let me lick, sell my hayek's feet.
EC: Yeah.
Yeah.
It's part of his, uh, uh, his reader
Jeremy: uh,
I'll be in anything.
Oh my God, I'm, I'm not even gonna
finish that sentence out loud 'cause I
don't want a recording of me saying it.
EC: I will say that Almaha can do to me
whatever she wants including ignore me.
And I am,
Jeremy: she's doing
a great job of that
so
EC: She's already, she's doing great.
Five, five out of one star.
Bee: Perfect rating system.
No flaws.
EC: No flaws, no notes.
I do love so Hayek, but at least as far
as I know if she turns out she's a turf,
um, I'm sorry, but I don't think she is.
Anyway.
Bee: we're, we reserve the right to
rescind a love of celebrities upon
discovery of their shittiness at any time.
EC: Yes, thank you, Ben.
So, yeah I do hope that yellow jackets,
I've, I look forward to season three.
And they should take all
the time that they need.
So writers and actors get
the rights that they reserve,
they, they reserve and deserve.
Um,
hey, execs, they'll pull a heroes, please.
I don't know if Lost was
affected by that too, but I
like I never got into lost ever.
Jeremy: I think lost, avoided
being substantially affected by it.
Somehow.
I don't know if it was that they
just delayed it or what, but uh,
it did not have the same sort
of plot fuck up that heroes did.
Um, that's
Bee: Oh God.
Heroes fucking.
Oh boy.
Yeah.
Don't let anything be heroes.
I will say, even before the
writer's Strike Hero, season two
was not off to a promising start.
EC: Oh no.
But yeah, so, I will wait for season
three of Yellowjackets and you should too.
As long as it takes for our, creators
of various types to get proper rights,
Bee: Yes.
The, the real recommendation is donate
what you can to your local strike fund.
EC: yes.
Jeremy: Yeah, yeah.
Support W G A support sag.
They have not said that anybody should
boycott any movies or anything like that.
So if anybody's telling you that,
mean, as of now when we're recording
this, that is not the case.
Bee: Yes.
Watch anything you like.
Pro profitably Venture
Brothers, that's a good one.
If you're looking for something to
watch, check out Venture Brothers
Jeremy: sure.
Bee: big finale movie coming out soon.
It will already be out by
the time this episode airs.
EC: Oh, and if you wanna watch a
cool movie about women in that in
the nineties, that young women in the
nineties that are like running through
the woods and stuff, there's Fox Fire.
Jeremy: I
thought we were gonna get
back into recommending the.
EC: I was almost there, but I was
like, Hmm, that's too on the nose.
So, um,
Bee: I recommend arts and crafts
'cause we all need hobbies.
EC: absolutely.
All right, well, I think it's about time
for us to talk about ourselves some more.
You can find me on the
internet@megamoth.net.
That has links to all of my other
socials, uh, except for Blue Sky.
I'm Mega Moth on Blue Sky as well.
But yeah, on Twitter, mega Under Moth
on Instagram, mega Moth on Patreon,
Bee: Uh, you can find me@benconncomics.com
on Twitter at ben the con.
You can check out upcoming works,
including l Campbell wins their
weekend, which you can pre-order now.
My pro debut coming out October 17th.
Jeremy: nice.
EC: Nice.
Jeremy: And uh, you can find me on
Twitter and Instagram at jro five
eight on Blue Sky at Jeremy Whitley
on tumblr@jeremywhitley.tumblr.com.
You can go buy the dog
night, it's out now.
Go buy it.
There's other things coming, but
we'll let you know when we can
let you know about that stuff.
You can also find me on my
website@jeremywhitley.com.
And of course, you can find the
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EC: you
Bee: Always.
Jeremy: and until next time,
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