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The Sleuths are real private investigators here to help you find the truth when you need to know. With sometimes shocking, heartwarming, and hilarious stories from the field, they keep it real. Interviews with experts bring you insights on how people leverage P.I.'s in their lives and businesses. When you need to know, call the sleuths — licensed by the North Carolina Department of Public Safety, Jamie hosts this entertaining and informative podcast to educate individuals and business owners.
[00:00:00] Jamie: The world is crazy and you need to make sure that you're paying attention. Head on the swivel.
[00:00:03] I love
[00:00:03] Cohost: that. Wait, I need that on a bumper sticker. Seriously, pay attention. Right.
[00:00:08] Jamie: Really?
[00:00:09] Welcome to the Sleuth Podcast. Good morning, afternoon, evening, whatever time it is that you're listening to us. We are your favorite PIs here, dropping wild stories from the field and sharing insider tips to level up your street smarts, which is really important in our crazy world. Think of us as your personal guide to spotting red flags and staying one step ahead.
[00:01:04] So get ready to sharpen your game and let's crack open some cases.
[00:01:09] Cohost: Yes. Love it.
[00:01:12] Jamie: I worked on that.
[00:01:13] Cohost: So good. Oh, we can tell.
[00:01:16] Jamie: Good morning. Good morning. Or for us. Good morning. How are you, Brooke?
[00:01:19] Cohost: good. How are you? I'm
[00:01:20] Jamie: doing fantastic, Joe. How you doing over there? I'm good.
[00:01:24] Joe Woolworth: I'm good.
[00:01:25] Jamie: He just finished. Playing Irv,
[00:01:28] Joe Woolworth: finished
[00:01:29] Jamie: playing our intro
[00:01:30] Joe Woolworth: If you don't know, if you're first time listener, I do always play that piano part live while I, while I say those words, I'm just super consistent.
[00:01:39] Cohost: authentic. Yes. All right.
[00:01:41] Woo-hoo. We are back in the podcast land today and I am very excited. We've got some fun things for you. So I know last week we focused a lot on like a real true life story on Casey Anthony, and we are gonna do some more like true crime exclusives, but I think we're gonna kind of go back to the original format a little bit.
[00:02:03] Jamie: switch it up. Switch it up. Yes.
[00:02:04] Cohost: Just switch it back.
[00:02:05] Jamie: Switch it back, right? Yes, because you know, the kid gave me a review and he was like, you didn't really talk a lot about PI stuff, so I was like, you know what? You're right son. We're gonna bring it back and we're gonna make it fun all over again and not so, criminally Murdery case home. Right? That was a sad, just, you
[00:02:20] Cohost: somber
[00:02:21] Jamie: right, . I want to highlight here in this episode, black Men Detective Services New Star. She's our newest star to the team. Brooke, we introduced her a little bit last week, but we're gonna talk a little bit more about what makes Brooke Brooke and what makes her so awesome.
[00:02:37] So
[00:02:38] Cohost: So thank you. It's an honor and a privilege.
[00:02:40] Jamie: so I'm, I'm, I'm gonna be learning things as well. Today that I probably have never known about you.
[00:02:46] Cohost: Oh. I'm gonna be learning things today.
[00:02:47] I've never known about me. We're all learning here.
[00:02:50] Jamie: So I'm excited about it. Okay, so first we're gonna talk a little bit about, because I, this is the time of the year where, you know, the pumpkin spice is back.
[00:03:00] I'm not a pumpkin spice fan. I've, I have been pumpkin out. When it first started, I was like, I don't want another piece of pumpkin. But I do enjoy my warm drinks my teas and my coffees and all the things. Yeah. Coffee, not so much anymore, but my favorite thing that I wanted to share with everybody, and I don't, I've never seen this on the menu but we did visit the Starbucks and I got a medicine ball.
[00:03:24] Have you ever had a medicine
[00:03:25] Cohost: Oh yes.
[00:03:25] Jamie: love the medicine ball? I love the medicine ball and it's probably the cheapest thing medicine
[00:03:30] Joe Woolworth: What is a
[00:03:30] Jamie: at Starbucks. I'm getting ready to tell you.
[00:03:34] Cohost: drum roll. Right?
[00:03:36] Jamie: So they sometimes call it the honey citrus mint tea. It is known for its soothing properties.
[00:03:42] It is a combination of peach tranquil tea, jade citrus, mint tea honey hot water and steam lemonade. So you kind of get
[00:03:52] Joe Woolworth: steamed lemonade. They just hot lemonade. Okay. Yeah, let's call it steamed.
[00:03:58] Cohost: listen. It's better than it sounds.
[00:04:00] Jamie: my gosh, it's wonderful. So they do like half of the tea, half peach, half jade, citrus add honey and then the lemonade.
[00:04:08] And then, you know, it just makes this nice little, like citrusy, sweet, warm, you know, it's good for if you're not feeling too great or, you know, it's just good for cold seasons. And I
[00:04:20] Cohost: sick before right. You won't be anymore. Yeah. Hey, thank you Starbucks. You could pay me for that one.
[00:04:27] Jamie: Yes. If you're sick before, you won't be
[00:04:29] Cohost: have Venmo.
[00:04:30] Jamie: They need to they certainly need to show this off a little bit more 'cause it is a fantastic drink.
[00:04:36] And for those of us
[00:04:37] Joe Woolworth: Well they named it wrong, the medicine ball.
[00:04:40] Jamie: I know. Well, and sometimes you go, you know how you have these special drinks and some people know what they're called, the fancy names and sometimes they don't. And so I ordered it and they were like, honey centrus mint tea. And I was like, I don't know.
[00:04:54] Cohost: Maybe
[00:04:54] Jamie: if that's what it's actually called. I don't know what I, I was like the thing with the hot lemonade and they're like, oh yeah, that's it.
[00:05:00] Joe Woolworth: and
[00:05:00] Cohost: show
[00:05:00] is not gonna be trying the hot lemonade.
[00:05:03] Joe Woolworth: I always get a flat white and I saw like a reel and it was
[00:05:05] Jamie: like, oh, that's boring.
[00:05:06] Joe Woolworth: it was people from, yeah, it's basically a, A latte. A latte with two shots, but that has its own dumb name. But I was watching somebody's reel and it was like, this is how you know, who ordered at Starbucks? And it was like Starbucks employees, and they were listing off like black coffee cop, you know, it was like, and then like there were drinks that they would name and it would be like, cool people.
[00:05:26] And then they'd be like, flat white person that doesn't know what they're doing. I'm like, Aw, Joe.
[00:05:32] Jamie: dang
[00:05:33] Cohost: dang. Amateur. Amateur.
[00:05:35] Jamie: Well, usually I get a dirty chai. That's usually my favorite. So I
[00:05:38] Joe Woolworth: That's what my wife gets. Yeah.
[00:05:39] Jamie: Yeah. With one shot of dirty is what I, is how I say it. And they're
[00:05:44] Cohost: Not
[00:05:44] Jamie: okay,
[00:05:44] cool.
[00:05:45] Cohost: bit.
[00:05:45] Jamie: one shot of dirty. Don't make it too dirty
[00:05:47] Joe Woolworth: figured out. I'll ask her, but she figured out how to make it like $6 instead of $9 by just ordering the pieces and getting, it's the same drink.
[00:05:55] Jamie: Candace, she is your spirit animal over there because Candace can get like the largest drink at Starbucks and it's like $5. I'm How, like, how did you do this? She was like, you just had to build it. Yeah. I'm like, I don't have the time to build it. Like, can you just build it for me and just add it to my favorites and then I can just click that next time I have to go.
[00:06:13] But I do love the mobile order from Starbucks that saved me at the airport over the weekend. And that line is ridiculous and the people are all hanging out, , in the middle and they're like, if you're here for Starbucks, you need to be behind the
[00:06:26] Yeah, Little partition
[00:06:27] Cohost: That's too much.
[00:06:28] Jamie: Yeah. Well the people had attitude, so I was like, I'm sorry that you only have one Starbucks in the, you know.
[00:06:34] But anyways, I think we have given
[00:06:36] Starbucks enough money, but a little bit more. Hold on. Yeah. So Brook's favorite drink is this Ice passion. Tango tea. Yeah. This is something I have never tried at Starbucks. I didn't know that it was decaf. So that's exciting. It's herbal. Do you know about your tea?
[00:06:52] Cohost: Yes. So it's an herbal tea. It's naturally caffeine-free. Hi,
[00:06:56] Jamie: Hibiscus, lemon grass, and apple. So it's this nice bright red tea. That was exciting. Over ice. Optional sweetener. I didn't put any in there.
[00:07:04] Did you want sweetener?
[00:07:05] Cohost: I'm sweet enough.
[00:07:06] Jamie: No, you are.
[00:07:07] You don't need it. Okay. Shake and serve. So we are ready. Those were our fabulous drinks for the day, so I figured I'd share that with you guys. Thought you might wanna know.
[00:07:16] Cohost: sip along with us,
[00:07:17] Jamie: Yes. Or have a drink. If it's,
[00:07:20] Cohost: yes, depending on the time. I'm
[00:07:22] Jamie: like, if this was after like 12 o'clock, no,
[00:07:26] Cohost: 12 o'clock
[00:07:27] Jamie: just like it's 1115.
[00:07:30] Joe Woolworth: It
[00:07:30] Jamie: It was after 12, then we would be making this an alcoholic
[00:07:33] Cohost: goodness.
[00:07:34] Jamie: you know, thank God it's Friday. So we'll save that for the weekend. Stay safe out there. No drinking and driving. Call your Uber.
[00:07:41] , I have been doing a little bit of digging, talking about current events, kind of. So you know, we've got, election season is going around. We've got. Old Trump, Trump out there and miss Kamala Harris.
[00:07:56] Jamie: So super excited about that. Everybody is very important for us to get out there and vote. I
[00:08:01] Joe Woolworth: I really appreciated her little nieces explaining how to pronounce her name 'cause I felt like I was that stupid white guy that was like, Kamala, Kamala, Kamala Shema. Kamala came, but then her little nieces came out at the, at the convention and they're like, this is how you say her name.
[00:08:15] It's like a comma and then la like you're singing. I'm like, great. Got it locked in.
[00:08:19] Jamie: Oh, that is so cute. Kaa la.
[00:08:22] Cohost: We got it.
[00:08:22] Jamie: I love it. Well, she's awesome. I really hope that she wins,
[00:08:26] Joe Woolworth: Trump needs to watch that video. He can't seem to get it straight.
[00:08:29] Jamie: well, the fact that he thinks that she looks like Melania on the Time Magazine was ridiculous.
[00:08:37] Cohost: I missed that one.
[00:08:38] Jamie: Oh my gosh. He, I forget he was on
[00:08:40] Cohost: I'm glad I missed that one.
[00:08:41] Joe Woolworth: I like the, I like the one he was with the reporter and he was like, trying to get her to come with her.
[00:08:44] He's like, yeah, she used to be like Jamaican, but now she's Indian. I mean, now she's like, and the reporter is like, what the heck are you talking about? Like,
[00:08:52] Jamie: Let like, move on sir. This is ridiculous. You can be a mixed race. It's okay.
[00:08:58] Cohost: Quite all right.
[00:08:59] Jamie: in our country now are mixed race of some kind. So anyways, it
[00:09:03] Joe Woolworth: was funny that he was like claiming like, it was like a unique thing. Like I can't believe it. Just two different races. It's like
[00:09:09] Jamie: That's 'cause he's pure bred, Lord have mercy. Ooh, I get a little nauseous to be honest.
[00:09:16] Especially in our state, we can go both ways. We are truly a purple state, so it just depends on who likes who and when and what's going on. ,
[00:09:25] Joe Woolworth: it's gonna be entertaining, that's for sure.
[00:09:27] Jamie: Oh God. And I hope that we don't make it all the way till what January. And we're like, they had to send the vote to the Supreme Court or something.
[00:09:35] Correct. Doesn't that,
[00:09:35] Cohost: oh, I'm terrified. I'm shaking in my cowboy
[00:09:37] Jamie: Oh my goodness.
[00:09:38] Cohost: under the table.
[00:09:38] I'm like, whoa,
[00:09:39] Joe Woolworth: like, whoa,
[00:09:40] Cohost: it's too much.
[00:09:41] Jamie: much. So, I don't know. Whatever you do, get out and vote. If you are one of those people that send people text messages to kind of annoying me. I'm trying to be nice, but they keep asking me am I gonna vote for her? I'm like, yeah. I already said, yeah, don't keep asking me this.
[00:09:54] But we need those people to be out there and sending those messages. So, you know, even if you are not received with love, just know that we appreciate you.
[00:10:03] Joe Woolworth: Looking forward to a debate. I hope it happens. I wanna see one. I was all excited about the last debate and then you watch it and you're like, three seconds in, you're like, not what I wanted. This is, really bumming me out.
[00:10:14] Jamie: This is not what I was
[00:10:15] expecting.
[00:10:16] Cohost: be honest. The debates, gimme acid reflux. It's a
[00:10:19] Jamie: lot.
[00:10:19] I don't watch
[00:10:20] 'em. it's a lot.
[00:10:20] I'm kind of terrible at
[00:10:21] Cohost: I'm conflict a adverse. I just, it's not my thing. I, I can't,
[00:10:26] Jamie: I know, I'm like, it just, I, I guess my whole thing is I just want to, I would love for our president to be somebody who loves people and wants to do the best for the people with their skills and talents in this whole political field.
[00:10:43] Yes, he should, right? I mean, Trump just has zero skills, so it's kind of hard to think that he's gonna be doing what's the best for multiple people for their whole country. So, I don't know. Vote, go, vote, vote again. Vote
[00:10:56] Cohost: Vote again.
[00:10:57] I dunno.
[00:10:58] Jamie: Vote as many times as you can. You can vote one
[00:11:00] Joe Woolworth: Yeah.
[00:11:01] Cohost: just to clarify,
[00:11:02] Joe Woolworth: time.
[00:11:03] Jamie: unless you have a child.
[00:11:04] You can make your child. But I mean, that's not, you're not supposed to do that, right?
[00:11:08] Joe Woolworth: No. You can't vote for other
[00:11:10] Cohost: force a child to vote.
[00:11:12] Jamie: well, I was the,
[00:11:13] Joe Woolworth: you could bribe them with Starbucks, I feel like. That's
[00:11:15] Jamie: right. And then you just say, go on here and
[00:11:17] Joe Woolworth: you go vote and I'll get you a medicine
[00:11:19] Jamie: Right. My my mom was like, I wouldn't say she was into politics, but she was into voting and making sure that, , we did our part.
[00:11:29] And so I used to just be like, mom, who are we voting for? Like, gimme the list. And I just would go in there with my little note on the back of a, like gums pack or something. Yes. And I'm like, nobody sees me writing and, and I'm like, oh, it doesn't matter if you bring notes in there. I thought like, it's like
[00:11:44] a
[00:11:44] Cohost: sneaky. Yeah.
[00:11:46] Jamie: I was like, are you allowed to bring notes into the ballot box with you? Like Yes you are. It's okay. I mean, you don't need like a book or anything because you're not gonna be in there all day. But especially when you're talking about all of the little people, , I can't remember all these people's names and who we picked for what, and so it's always nice to have the little card and not the card that they give you because that could just, those are just the people for the party,
[00:12:07] Joe Woolworth: with those, like those names, that's just like whatever name I can remember from this yard signs. like, that must be the one
[00:12:14] Jamie: Right. And there are some questionable people out there. Y'all, I know that and I, that Mark Robinson man kind of makes my skin crawl. So, just 'cause he's brown doesn't mean that, you know, he is with the brown people.
[00:12:27] Joe Woolworth: We almost had our governor be the vice president, but he
[00:12:29] Jamie: I know,
[00:12:29] Joe Woolworth: said no. I
[00:12:30] Jamie: I know. Because he said he didn't wanna let Mark Robinson take over or he wanted to be here. I think I read that somewhere. I could be wrong, but I think I'm right. But I think he he didn't wanna leave us free to deal with that man. It would've been cool if he was vp, but I
[00:12:47] Joe Woolworth: I love Kamala's Choice. It just seemed like a Kamala. Oh my gosh.
[00:12:51] Jamie: camel. Like a camel.
[00:12:52] Cohost: You gotta practice that. Practice that.
[00:12:55] Joe Woolworth: Joe. So when I saw the, the pick, it was like, yes, let's find the whitest man who fishes
[00:13:01] Jamie: Goodness.
[00:13:02] Cohost: Oh goodness.
[00:13:05] Joe Woolworth: and we found him,
[00:13:06] Jamie: We found
[00:13:07] Joe Woolworth: Minnesota.
[00:13:08] Jamie: Oh my gosh. Well, hey, I like Walts and I like his family and I think it's cool. And you know, it's definitely showing all of the divi diversity
[00:13:18] Joe Woolworth: like the sweet moment where his kids are really proud of him during the convention. And then somebody made fun of not realizing that his son has developmental disabilities.
[00:13:25] I'm not sure what it is, but he was very excited and clapping and like crying for his dad giving a speech. And then people were teasing him and didn't realize that, that he had, I don't know what it
[00:13:36] Jamie: whatever he special needs. But
[00:13:39] Joe Woolworth: I was like,
[00:13:39] Jamie: that is our world. We live.
[00:13:42] Joe Woolworth: why do we gotta make fun of people like their dad?
[00:13:43] You like your dad. Good one.
[00:13:45] Jamie: syndrome.
[00:13:46] Cohost: I know.
[00:13:47] Jamie: I know, I know. It's the mean girl syndrome. Like people are just gross out here. So I want people that want to just. Just generally be nice to people. You know, God said, love God first. Love your people second and everything else falls in line. Love your neighbor like yourself.
[00:14:02] So
[00:14:03] Joe Woolworth: our politics went sideways when we made it who we are. Like I am this and so therefore I can't possibly side with anybody else.
[00:14:10] Jamie: and that's ridiculous. 'cause if we were all the same, then the world would be boring. Like, no, we're not all the same.
[00:14:14] Joe Woolworth: what a weird thing to make your identity about, you know?
[00:14:17] Jamie: right, right. You're like, okay, here we go.
[00:14:21] In different news I have been looking at this AI music thing and you know, Olympics happened and Snoop Dogg was like the to
[00:14:30] Joe Woolworth: watch the Olympics?
[00:14:32] Jamie: Was it not great?
[00:14:34] Joe Woolworth: It was so great.
[00:14:35] Jamie: The sparring was probably, I don't know if the sparring was the best or the ping pong. Was it, is it ping pong?
[00:14:41] Did you
[00:14:42] Joe Woolworth: All of it was good. I saw 'em like race people in the pool. I saw, like when I first saw like they had Keenan with Kevin instead of on the, instead of Snoop, I was like, oh no. And then when I saw Snoop in the field, I'm like, that's why they did
[00:14:53] Jamie: it. Yes.
[00:14:54] And he's getting ready to be on the voice coming
[00:14:57] Joe Woolworth: Yeah.
[00:14:57] That's gonna make the voice fun.
[00:14:58] Cohost: oh
[00:14:59] Jamie: gosh. I
[00:14:59] Joe Woolworth: that guy's personality. He's so cool.
[00:15:02] Jamie: check? Snoop, can you just gimme like one of the checks from the things from this year. So he was awesome. That was great. And been looking at AI music and I want to share with you guys this interesting Thank you Joe.
[00:15:16] 'cause I was scrambling trying to figure out what I like. 'cause they all seem a little inappropriate at times. . But basically AI music, they can take somebody else's voice and dub it over top of music and kind of switch it up. And so I have a fun one for us today.
[00:15:31] And Brooke, you're gonna figure out what song it is. Okay. Lemme see. I'm gonna go back
[00:15:36] Cohost: Let's see how good
[00:15:37] Joe Woolworth: music is from one song and the lyrics are from another, and you gotta guess both.
[00:15:42] Jamie: You got it?
[00:15:43] Cohost: I'm sweating. Let's do it. Okay. Okay.
[00:15:58] Jamie: Do you know what it is? I'm trying to
[00:16:14] Cohost: The, I'm trying to figure out the song, like the music piece, not the lyrics, but the music piece. Is it like Ella Fitzgerald or something? I don't know. I
[00:16:23] love, I love like jazz and older music. I don't
[00:16:28] Jamie: It is,
[00:16:29] Cohost: Dogg.
[00:16:30] it's, yeah, I mean we use that one in that part. Gimme an A
[00:16:34] Jamie: forever. A Forever
[00:16:35] Cohost: for
[00:16:36] Jamie: bare Necessities. No, look for the bare necessities.
[00:16:41] Look. Oh
[00:16:43] Cohost: gosh,
[00:16:43] Jamie: I don't know the words.
[00:16:43] Cohost: it's been a minute since I
[00:16:45] Jamie: that. I love Jungle Book. That was probably one of my favorites. And then Gin and Juice. So yes,
[00:16:51] Cohost: Yes. I got
[00:16:52] Jamie: that
[00:16:52] part
[00:16:52] slash
[00:16:53] Joe Woolworth: The Cartoon Jungle book, right? Not the
[00:16:55] Jamie: remake.
[00:16:55] Oh yes. I don't even know anything
[00:16:57] Joe Woolworth: I don't know what they were
[00:16:57] Jamie: remake.
[00:16:58] Joe Woolworth: remake.
[00:16:59] Cohost: I was more of an Aladdin
[00:17:00] Jamie: putting real people out
[00:17:01] Joe Woolworth: there.
[00:17:02] why they gotta try that, messing it up.
[00:17:05] Jamie: I love Aladdin as well, so
[00:17:06] Joe Woolworth: Although people told me Little Mermaid was entertaining the live one with Melissa McCarthy and
[00:17:11] Cohost: I didn't see that.
[00:17:11] Jamie: That was interesting. I don't say think that was like actually the Little Mermaid story.
[00:17:16] It was so weird. It didn't follow
[00:17:18] Joe Woolworth: they feel like they had to change it so that it was different enough.
[00:17:21] Cohost: Yeah,
[00:17:21] Jamie: I don't know. It was weird.
[00:17:23] Joe Woolworth: trying to remake the seven dbs ones no white. Right. And they're having all kinds of trouble because,
[00:17:28] Jamie: because
[00:17:29] yeah, the little people, because,
[00:17:30] Joe Woolworth: yeah. And they're trying to make it very like, woke
[00:17:34] like, she doesn't need the Prince to save her, like she's gonna do her. And I'm like, well, that's not the story, but
[00:17:38] yeah. Do
[00:17:39] Jamie: is why we love Disney movies because they are imagination.
[00:17:44] Cohost: Imagination.
[00:17:46] Jamie: This is, we know this is not our reality, but this is why we watch Disney, because we want to live in an alternate space. For the moment, I love Disney.
[00:17:54] Cohost: when I was a kid.
[00:17:55] Jamie: I am single.
[00:17:56] Cohost: Oh. Oh, that
[00:17:57] Jamie: escalated
[00:17:59] Cohost: Sure. No, I'll say the same. I feel like the mother always died in the Disney
[00:18:03] Jamie: movies
[00:18:04] Cohost: and I felt like that was
[00:18:06] Joe Woolworth: Bambi. Yeah.
[00:18:06] Cohost: children.
[00:18:07] Yeah.
[00:18:07] Jamie: Or there just was
[00:18:08] Cohost: no mother.
[00:18:09] Joe Woolworth: a, there's a lot of
[00:18:11] Cohost: I think he had, I think he had mommy issues to be honest. Mr. Walt. Mr. Walt
[00:18:16] Jamie: Disney.
[00:18:16] Yes.
[00:18:17] Cohost: he he had some
[00:18:18] things to work out in therapy. We gotta call Faith back. We gotta get our guest therapist back here.
[00:18:23] Help him out.
[00:18:24] Jamie: Mr. Walt. They figure out what happened with your mama while Ci Cinderella's. Mom. We never even saw her. Oh
[00:18:30] Cohost: Oh yeah. Cinderella. Dumbo.
[00:18:32] Joe Woolworth: Lost the mom. Cinderella. Both parents dead. Lion King, lion dead.
[00:18:37] Jamie: Hercules.
[00:18:38] Joe Woolworth: Foxing the hound Mom dead.
[00:18:41] Jamie: Really? There's no mothers.
[00:18:43] Joe Woolworth: Peter Pan. Peter Pan? No. Parents?
[00:18:46] Jamie: Yeah. He had nothing.
[00:18:47] Cohost: None at all.
[00:18:48] Jamie: He was all alone.
[00:18:50] Cohost: Yeah. That's kind
[00:18:51] Jamie: That's kind of sad. I
[00:18:52] Cohost: Oh no. We're getting somber.
[00:18:54] Jamie: are, we're supposed to be,
[00:18:55] Cohost: Let's cheer up.
[00:18:56] Jamie: on this one. Okay. Well be on the lookout. Paralympics is happening.
[00:19:02] Joe Woolworth: Commercials look
[00:19:02] Jamie: cool.
[00:19:03] The commercials look cool. I don't, I haven't watched any of it. And they were like, you know, the USA is the dominant country. I'm like, duh. We're probably the only people that actually like give people with disabilities rights and
[00:19:16] Cohost: we're doing something,
[00:19:17] right.
[00:19:17] Jamie: can right. One thing.
[00:19:19] Cohost: Right.
[00:19:20] Joe Woolworth: u us a u us a.
[00:19:21] How do they, I've always wondered this, and I'm not, this isn't, this isn't insensitive. I feel like it's fine. Like, when the people that are running have the, the specialized legs that help them run who are, who have lost limbs, how do they determine like how much of a souped up leg is legal and how much is like, 'cause those things look like, man, you could really fly in that.
[00:19:42] Yeah. That's a good question. I wonder, I haven't looked into
[00:19:45] Jamie: I'm sure there's like, you probably just can't have like h hydraulics on it or something.
[00:19:50] Cohost: Motorized. I'm not,
[00:19:51] Joe Woolworth: wheels, like remember that
[00:19:53] Jamie: This, this doesn't count. You have to like, you can only have like the bouncy foot, you know the
[00:20:00] Joe Woolworth: but like, I wonder, I just wonder how do they determine like how much bouncy, you know, like they're always like, you can't be on certain performance enhancing things, but I wonder if the Paralympics there is like a money component.
[00:20:10] Like, yeah, I got the good stuff.
[00:20:12] Jamie: Well, they don't make that much, even the no, they don't the, the real Olympics. They're not paying
[00:20:16] Joe Woolworth: was a very small amount, right? It was like, yeah. Was it like 18,000 for a gold
[00:20:20] Jamie: medal
[00:20:20] or
[00:20:20] something? Yeah,
[00:20:21] it's, it's not much at all. I was kind of shocked. So you're literally out there for bragging
[00:20:26] Joe Woolworth: But they're getting those bear commercial sponsorships.
[00:20:28] You saw Simone in every commercial, so hopefully she's making some money other ways
[00:20:33] Jamie: Well, she's married to NFL. Speaking of NFL, we all know Cowboy Nation over here. Are you even an NFL fan
[00:20:42] Cohost: Brooke?
[00:20:43] Jamie: oh Lord. We're gonna have the, perhaps
[00:20:45] you can honorary, you're gonna be an honorary Cowboys
[00:20:48] Cohost: Fair enough. I got my boots on. Yes. I'm halfway there.
[00:20:51] That so easy. Yes. That is so wonderful.
[00:20:54] Jamie: I'm adaptive. Yes. So, my favorite number 88 finally resigned with us. So Des Bryant is probably my favorite player, and we talk about this, but he was a wide receiver sometime back
[00:21:05] Cohost: I'm smiling and nodding yes. Oh, oh, of course I know
[00:21:08] Jamie: Yes.
[00:21:09] So when I played flag football, that was my,
[00:21:11] you played flag
[00:21:12] football.
[00:21:12] I did. I love
[00:21:14] it. I know.
[00:21:15] Cohost: I like it.
[00:21:17] Jamie: I was scared though to get hurt though. So, I, I think the, even though I don't want to admit that I'm older the thought of being hurt. Playing a sport kind of just makes me nauseous a little bit. So, that I won't be doing. So, but I have been working out with my friends.
[00:21:34] I'm gonna shout out David and Scotty. We are working out at like one of the local fields and we've been like running routes and I've been getting
[00:21:43] skinny and like we are working on all the things. So I'm out there feeling like Dez Bryan again.
[00:21:50] Cohost: Just channel him during your runs.
[00:21:52] amazing.
[00:21:53] Joe Woolworth: Are people, is it like a chill, like a rec league vibe in flag football or is it like people just being too dang serious?
[00:22:00] Jamie: Both. It really depends on the team. Yeah. Some coaches are super hardcore. Some of them are just like, Hey guys, we're just out here trying to stay fit, , but you cannot play flag football and think that you're just gonna take your time. 'cause you will get hit. Playing football and like being on the line and , getting smashed in between people. Your body feels like you were hit by a truck. So I understand why they get like, what, two or three days or something to just like relax after the game. 'cause you literally probably can't move. I mean, and then they're like, they
[00:22:33] Cohost: you use those foam rollers?
[00:22:35] Jamie: to massage the muscle?
[00:22:37] No, but I should. They actually work and they're very nice and they're really good for like ear quads and stuff like that. But the kid has the foam roller, so I don't have it. And that means I have to go to the gym to use it and then I don't do it when I get in there. Yeah.
[00:22:51] Cohost: yeah. How many people have rolled with that phone?
[00:22:53] I don't wanna think about
[00:22:54] Jamie: that
[00:22:54] Cohost: I don't wanna think about it.
[00:22:55] Jamie: I was about to say the grossness covid iss out there again,
[00:22:58] Cohost: is.
[00:22:59] Jamie: Somebody I was talking to think they got it from the gym. So, we've had, I've actually known a couple of people, like in my circle that have had covid. So please wash your nasty hands people. It is disgusting to
[00:23:10] Cohost: out. Call 'em
[00:23:11] Jamie: still go outside of the bathroom and don't wash their hands.
[00:23:16] It's disgusting. Yeah. And we're touching and we're hugging again and, you know, I kind of like the six foot distance
[00:23:24] Cohost: You can still keep away from me. That is fine by me.
[00:23:26] , I was thinking at the airport., we're all in that tube walking to the plane and I'm just like, there are just germs circling around
[00:23:35] inhaling other people's breath
[00:23:37] in
[00:23:37] their,
[00:23:38] Yeah.
[00:23:38] Jamie: So, speaking of breath, this is my last side note. I was driving here today and there was a lady with a cute little dog. The dog was cute. The big dog can call it a little dog, but he was bre he was literally in the passenger seat. She's in the driver's seat and the dog's face is like three inches from her face.
[00:23:57] And it's just like, and I'm like,
[00:24:01] Cohost: that's love.
[00:24:02] Jamie: that's love. That is
[00:24:02] not love.
[00:24:03] I'm grossed out. I'm like, the dog's breath has gotta be funky and you're literally just bathing in it while you're sitting at the stoplight. I mean, it's, I, you know, I get the whole animal thing. I have a cat. Brooke has two.
[00:24:17] Cohost: I got two Kins. Yes.
[00:24:18] Jamie: But some, you know, we're just giving them too much freedom.
[00:24:22] Cohost: Hopefully the dog doesn't have covid. 'cause she's a goner in that case.
[00:24:25] Jamie: Right,
[00:24:27] Joe Woolworth: It's right.
[00:24:27] Cohost: Go. Sacrifices we make for those we love.
[00:24:30] Jamie: I know. Okay, so tell me about your cats. I think we talked about them last time, but a little bit. Gimme a funny cat story. What has been happening? First off, can I say, and you don't promise to still love me after this. Of course.
[00:24:41] I have never seen anybody tend to cats the way that you've attended to these cats
[00:24:46] Cohost: they are my infants. I guard them with my life. Okay. I bought a stroller, a cat stroller. Okay. Today they turned five months today. So they're moving
[00:24:57] Jamie: up
[00:24:57] in the
[00:24:58] world.
[00:24:58] Okay. They
[00:24:59] Cohost: They have almost all their adult teeth. I, I got a little baby tooth that fell out from Miss Holly the other day.
[00:25:06] Jamie: Oh, wait a minute. Go
[00:25:08] Cohost: bad. How?
[00:25:09] her little baby teeth. So she's teething, so their baby teeth come out and then the adult teeth grow in.
[00:25:14] Jamie: See, this is too much. I didn't even
[00:25:16] Cohost: know. It's a circle of
[00:25:17] Jamie: teeth fell
[00:25:18] Cohost: Oh, yes. Dental
[00:25:20] Jamie: I don't recall my cat having his teeth fall
[00:25:22] Cohost: Mm-Hmm. As a baby, they all come in at six months.
[00:25:26] So tis the season for pumpkin and teeth. Spooky a spooky season, right?
[00:25:33] Jamie: Okay. yes.
[00:25:34] Cohost: So Holly and Hugo are my kittens.
[00:25:36] Jamie: They're
[00:25:37] Cohost: They're litter mates. Holly is Calco. Hugo is just plain black. He has some white hairs by his tush and yeah, I, I bring him around the neighborhood and a little cat stroller. And I would like to say, I think there's something called stroller privileged.
[00:25:50] So I do not have any human babies, but when I started using this stroller, people smile at me more. They actually let me use the crosswalk rather than threatening to mow me down with their car. So I like it. You know, I may just bring the stroller everywhere, even if
[00:26:04] Jamie: the kids
[00:26:04] aren't
[00:26:05] Cohost: in there. Just thank you for letting me cross
[00:26:08] Joe Woolworth: attitude change if they see that it's a cat? Like does all the privilege evaporate immediately? Yes.
[00:26:14] Cohost: I have gotten some concerned looks for probably my
[00:26:17] Joe Woolworth: for you being like, oh, let me get that door for you. They see the kid and they're like, get your own
[00:26:20] Jamie: dog. I know.
[00:26:21] Cohost: Exactly.
[00:26:22] Jamie: Well, the way people are here now, they would ushering you in gladly Yes. With the animals. So I baby, well dog sat my girlfriend's dog.
[00:26:33] That was a very interesting situation. But you are absolutely right. I've never had so many waves from the neighbors and everybody's like, oh, hey, look at a cute little dog. And besides the time we got attacked twice by unleashed dogs. That's get your dogs under control people. Yeah. Nobody wants to. I'm kicking the next one.
[00:26:53] I'm sure
[00:26:53] that's
[00:26:53] Cohost: my
[00:26:54] God.
[00:26:54] Jamie: no-No, but I mean, what, what, what am I supposed to do as a human that you're putting me in a weird, I'm not, I'm gonna kick first and get away
[00:27:03] and then Well, you can cry for me and the dog,
[00:27:05] Joe Woolworth: Are you, are you fight or flight? Jamie? Are you fight or flight?
[00:27:08] Jamie: I am fighting while I'm fighting.
[00:27:11] Cohost: Oh my goodness. freeze. I'm freeze.
[00:27:14] Jamie: no, I'm striking. And then I'm out of here.
[00:27:17] I'm like is it Melissa McCarthy on the one with the guy identity theft
[00:27:22] Cohost: Oh
[00:27:22] Jamie: chopped the people in the neck. That's me.
[00:27:24] That's
[00:27:25] Cohost: That's you
[00:27:26] Jamie: a good, like knuckle to your throat. And then I'm outta here.
[00:27:31] Joe Woolworth: I was at a friend's house, wasn't even that close of a friend and he was like, oh, my dog is nice.
[00:27:35] And his dog came up to me and I'm kind of fighting not flight. And so the dog jumped and I just punched it right in the face. Like I was
[00:27:42] Jamie: like
[00:27:42] Joe Woolworth: two feet from the guy. He was not being nice, you know, the fur was in the little diamond
[00:27:46] Jamie: on
[00:27:46] the
[00:27:47] back
[00:27:47] Joe Woolworth: and the dog jumped at me and I'm like, and then
[00:27:49] Jamie: Yeah. And
[00:27:49] Joe Woolworth: just looked at the guy, like my
[00:27:51] Jamie: bad.
[00:27:52] like, sorry, but you didn't have it controlled over here. Because, you know, if they bite the dog, I mean the, if the dog bites you, you can have it put down.
[00:28:00] Right? Isn't that a rule? Isn't that a
[00:28:02] Joe Woolworth: rule?
[00:28:03] Cohost: I think so.
[00:28:04] Jamie: Yeah. So get your dogs under control people. 'cause
[00:28:08] I'm
[00:28:09] Cohost: striking,
[00:28:11] Jamie: striking
[00:28:12] Cohost: leave my house again. Just live in my laha
[00:28:14] Joe Woolworth: I don't think anybody's punching your kittens.
[00:28:16] It's, they're probably fine.
[00:28:18] Cohost: Yeah. Oh, oh, oh. They better. Freaking not. I may not to answer me. I would be fight then. Mama Barrett coming out with the claws
[00:28:25] Joe Woolworth: oh, lemme see your baby cat.
[00:28:27] Cohost: Oh. Oh no.
[00:28:31] Jamie: Oh my goodness. Okay. So, Brooke Ski?
[00:29:12] Yes,
[00:29:13] ma'am. Hey
[00:29:13] Cohost: girl. Hello. So
[00:29:15] Jamie: I wanna learn about you. Who are you? Where are you from? Tell me about you.
[00:29:18] Cohost: Sure. So,
[00:29:19] well,
[00:29:20] Jamie: know, don't give the people all your for real business. Oh, no. But just general. Okay.
[00:29:24] Cohost: am a native New
[00:29:24] Jamie: York.
[00:29:25] Cohost: Okay. I grew up mostly on the Connecticut shoreline. There's a little. Main situation. And then I moved down to Georgia which is why I
[00:29:34] haven't, why'd
[00:29:35] you go to
[00:29:35] Georgia?
[00:29:35] Oh, I started grad
[00:29:36] Jamie: school. Oh, okay.
[00:29:37] Cohost: okay. For creative writing. And then I switched paths to cybersecurity and criminal justice as one does.
[00:29:42] Jamie: Of
[00:29:42] course. Yes. I
[00:29:43] Cohost: I love a good story. And then yeah, I was in Savannah, love Savannah, and then I was in Florida for four and a half years. Here we are,
[00:29:49] Jamie: half.
[00:29:50] Here we are in Oh, north. North.
[00:29:52] Cohost: Kaki.
[00:29:54] I love it here. So,
[00:29:55] okay.
[00:29:56] Jamie: While you were in Florida Yes. What were
[00:29:59] Cohost: you doing?
[00:30:01] A lot. So when I was in Florida, I went back to school.
[00:30:04] For cybersecurity and criminal justice. And I interned with my local police department and, oh, life changing. They were like family to me. My passion was always digital forensics and solving computer crimes, things like that. Combating human trafficking, catching child predators. I've done a lot of volunteer work with that as well in some task forces.
[00:30:22] But I focused primarily on it. And then I was in professional standards for a bit circled around in
[00:30:28] Jamie: what's professional standards?
[00:30:30] Cohost: um, what that mean? Like HR
[00:30:32] accreditation. training, things
[00:30:34] like Training, things like that. Okay.
[00:30:35] Jamie: And so you guys got to work, were you working with law enforcement or were you working with a PI company?
[00:30:42] Cohost: police officers when I was interning and then I did private investigations down there. It's a little different. So you start out with your class CC intern license. Okay. So you're essentially at the trainee level. So I did that for a while, but then I started the hiring process for working as a crime analyst for the sheriff's office in their real time operation center.
[00:31:02] That was an incredibly cool
[00:31:03] Jamie: tell me about it. What was cool
[00:31:05] Joe Woolworth: about it?
[00:31:06] Jamie: Except for
[00:31:07] Cohost: other than everything, yeah, yeah. Say the whole process.
[00:31:10] Yeah. So I think not that many people know what a crime analyst does. I think they often get it confused with being a crime scene investigator, but no crime analysts. We are behind a computer.
[00:31:22] We love research, we help detectives solve their cases essentially. But when you're a crime analyst and a real time operation center, you also assist dispatch with real time crime. So you're looking at surveillance cameras throughout the city, looking up information on suspects, things like that.
[00:31:37] Jamie: That's cool.
[00:31:38] And then you report to who?
[00:31:40] Cohost: We actually report to the command staff and we provide daily briefing reports on crime patterns and trends that occurred typically overnight and the day before to best execute.
[00:31:49] Jamie: the
[00:31:50] Cohost: The best way to go about solving crimes and what we need to do to make
[00:31:54] Jamie: So every day you had to update, like, so you were looking at the video cameras, the street cameras from what area in Florida were you in like high crime area or
[00:32:04] Cohost: So Cora
[00:32:05] Joe Woolworth: I think you covered that. You said Florida
[00:32:08] Cohost: listen,
[00:32:09] listen,
[00:32:10] Jamie: Florida
[00:32:11] Cohost: man is job security. I will put it that way. But I was mostly in Naples, which is a rather affluent
[00:32:19] area.
[00:32:20] I would say the average Naples citizen is retired, is financially well off. For example, judge Judy used to have her mansion there. She sold it.
[00:32:30] Jamie: She sold it. I love Judge Judy.
[00:32:31] Cohost: Yeah. But yeah, it, it definitely is divided between those who are financially well off and those who are not. So, we definitely did see disparities in the county versus the actual square miles of the city.
[00:32:43] Okay. Mm-Hmm.
[00:32:43] Jamie: Mm-Hmm. Cool. Yeah.
[00:32:45] Okay. And so you were down there doing that for some time.
[00:32:49] How did we get to North Carolina?
[00:32:50] Oh, yeah.
[00:32:51] Cohost: So, rent in Southwest Florida is very
[00:32:53] Jamie: expensive,
[00:32:54] Cohost: and they wanted to raise my rent almost a thousand dollars each month. And I actually evacuated up here for hurricane when I was living in Georgia.
[00:33:03] And I loved it up here. And I thought one day I'm gonna, I'm gonna move here. And I was remote at the time. I was finishing my master's degree in cybersecurity. And then I was on track to start teaching remote as well as an adjunct professor for cybersecurity and computer information systems. So I was like, all right, now's
[00:33:18] Jamie: what chance.
[00:33:19] Here
[00:33:19] Cohost: We gotta go.
[00:33:19] Jamie: Here
[00:33:20] we go. And so it looks like you had a lovely stint. It was a short stint, short st. With our middle school children
[00:33:29] here. oh,
[00:33:30] Joe Woolworth: Oh, I did.
[00:33:31] Cohost: Oh, I
[00:33:31] did. Oh, I did. What did she
[00:33:32] Jamie: told me she was a teacher, I was like, who are you? What? Okay, so tell me, how did that go? Middle school babies? Absolutely.
[00:33:39] Cohost: Loved them.
[00:33:40] It was character building to say
[00:33:41] Jamie: the
[00:33:41] least.
[00:33:42] Cohost: You know, you really discipline is a major part of the role and I, the reason I love higher education is because you get to focus on
[00:33:49] content, right.
[00:33:50] Rather than like, please don't bite each
[00:33:52] Jamie: other.
[00:33:52] Cohost: You know, like, I like to dig into the content. So, I love teaching college.
[00:33:56] That's my jam.
[00:33:57] Joe Woolworth: Did you get to teach pre or post covid?
[00:34:00] Cohost: post
[00:34:01] Joe Woolworth: Oh, see, you had the, you had the tougher, the tougher
[00:34:04] Cohost: Yes. Yes,
[00:34:06] Jamie: absolutely. So Did
[00:34:07] that affect anything? Could you, I mean, definitely. Tell me, I mean, did you have a fun, did you have a favorite child?
[00:34:13] Cohost: Favorite child? Oh, well, they're all her favorites, right? In their own
[00:34:16] unique ways. I will
[00:34:18] Jamie: really, no.
[00:34:19] Cohost: I feel like, and I know this is cheesy to say, but I felt like I.
[00:34:23] I learned just as much from my students as they learned from me. I learned so much about life, I learned about fairness, I learned about communication, just everything,
[00:34:32] You know, going after your dreams. And they really inspired me to reach my own goals.
[00:34:38] Jamie: Aw, yeah.
[00:34:39] Cohost: I so sweet.
[00:34:40] It was a very inspiring place to be.
[00:34:43] Jamie: So, it's interesting you said that because I was looking at you know, coming up for topics for the day.
[00:34:49] Yes. And they were talking about anti ambition vibes. Mm-Hmm. And you know, for the young ones who are Gen Z mm-Hmm. It's 97 to 2012 that they just have a different a more relaxed balance to work and life and, , we kind of grew up I think I'm still young, so, but anyways, so we grew up, you know, it was very important to do all of your work, do all the things, get into school, you know, just pressure, pressure, pressure.
[00:35:20] Joe Woolworth: Yeah. Be in all the clubs, do
[00:35:21] Jamie: the
[00:35:21] right
[00:35:22] thing, right, right. I'm like, I can't club at night and get all my stuff done. Good gracious.
[00:35:28] When am I gonna chill out? But now it is interesting to find that the young folks aren't trying to do that anymore. They really want a minimalist lifestyle. They want to make sure that they are enjoying their work, that they, that, that there's purpose behind the job. And so I think that's really interesting.
[00:35:47] We do a lot of background checks through black women detective services, and we have some clients who are really struggling to hire good people. The drive to work is just not really there. And most of these people probably are not Gen Zers, they're the regular, you know, gen X and millennial who just don't feel like working anymore after they got their little check from the government.
[00:36:12] And so they feel like, you know, I can just wing it at this point, which is not a great idea.
[00:36:17] But I have recognized that like hiring for black men detective services. That, you know, it's all about purpose in the job, purpose in your work. You know, being able to be a positive. What am I,
[00:36:34] a
[00:36:34] positive
[00:36:34] speak for me.
[00:36:35] Influence.
[00:36:36] Yes. A positive influence on like your work space
[00:36:39] and your coworker. Right.
[00:36:40] And we just want to, , love our work, love our job, be helping people, and it's not stressing us out the whole time.
[00:36:48] For
[00:36:48] sure. Stress is not good.
[00:36:49] Cohost: I would say something that I definitely recognize. So I am.
[00:36:54] Three years older than Gen Z. So I'm a baby millennial and I will say most of my friends are here, are actually Gen Z. And there is definitely a difference. Like Joe was saying, for me, I grew up, I went to a boarding school.
[00:37:06] There was so much pressure to, , get into Ivy League schools and or private liberal arts college, which I did go to.
[00:37:13] And now there's so much less pressure to do it all, be it all hustle culture is on the way out. But good, good he says,
[00:37:23] But
[00:37:24] I think Jamie hit the nail on the head that people want to find meaning behind the, the work that they do which is incredibly important to me as well. You know, I love what I do here, but at the same time it is harder to find folks who are willing to work if they don't resonate with
[00:37:38] Jamie: the work
[00:37:39] Cohost: they do.
[00:37:39] So it just takes a
[00:37:40] Jamie: little
[00:37:40] longer,
[00:37:40] Right. And so I have a child he is 20 and he is definitely a genzer. And he is into basketball, right. And so we're gonna do this whole basketball thing and we're gonna go play some basketball. But now, and he's super smart. Like he's he's getting his degree in accounting. And so he's a, he's a math guy.
[00:38:00] Okay. So he's really. Really, really smart with those things. And so now he wants to actually coach basketball at a higher level, not like NBA level, I guess, yet, but , he wants to coach basketball. And then I think, , that was, I had never even thought about that. I mean, that was never even, I'm like, how do you even get to be a coach?
[00:38:19] I just kind of thought that you volunteered and then Yes. Well he can be an an athletic director. So the goal would, in my, James, you're listening.
[00:38:30] The goal is, I would think. , after he retires from being a coach and all of these things, and you could go to like your favorite school or the school that you just left from or whatever, and be an athletic director and they have budgets and they have to make sure that all the kids have their things and the uniforms and all that stuff.
[00:38:48] And I'm like, what a nice cushy space to, , build your life in. And the lack, I mean, I'm sure there are gonna be some stressors, right? 'cause there's, that's life.
[00:38:59] Joe Woolworth: NILI think is gonna change it a lot.
[00:39:01] Jamie: Yes, you're right. And I, I don't know, I wish he'd get some NIL money. Y'all wanna give James some NIL money?
[00:39:08] But anyway, , it's just very important to make sure that we're out here loving what we do and it helps us love the people that are around us and not be so fussy and not be so high stress. Right? Yes. Because
[00:39:21] Cohost: Low stress is good.
[00:39:22] Jamie: I hate running into people who are like super tense. I'm like, I don't even know what to do with you.
[00:39:27] Like
[00:39:28] Cohost: Like, we need
[00:39:29] Jamie: we need some meditation
[00:39:30] Cohost: right now. Yeah.
[00:39:31] Jamie: out. Just looking at you.
[00:39:32] Joe Woolworth: I feel like don't you feel like every generation kind of like reacts to the opposite of the last one? Like you think about people like in the sixties and the seventies and free love and hippies, and then you got the eighties with the guppies and we're going to Wall Street and we're making the money. I feel like Gen Z, like they're getting a lot of credit.
[00:39:46] Like they just care about work like balance, and they're probably like, nah, just they're doing
[00:39:50] Jamie: it wrong. Right.
[00:39:51] Joe Woolworth: I'm even doing that
[00:39:52] Jamie: crap.
[00:39:52] They're like, this is stupid. Why would you even do all these things?
[00:39:55] I
[00:39:55] Joe Woolworth: telling me I go to college for like eight years and I don't have enough money to buy a house
[00:39:59] Jamie: Now right, right. right. I went through all this and I have more debt than I can even, I mean if people are still like in their forties paying off school loans, Lord have mercy.
[00:40:12] Cohost: that's rough out here.
[00:40:13] Jamie: Okay. Give me your favorite story
[00:40:17] prior to you coming to Blackman Detective Services. Gimme a baby story time.
[00:40:22] Cohost: Baby story time. So in the investigative field of
[00:40:25] work? Yes ma'am.
[00:40:26] Or, okay. I don't know a favorite is the right word, but the one that has stuck with me the most fervently there was a case, it was as a crime analyst, and this is public knowledge, so not disclosing any, any secrets
[00:40:41] here.
[00:40:42]
[00:40:42] Cohost: When I was a crime analyst, there was a case at the Naples
[00:40:44] Jamie: Zoo Mm-Hmm.
[00:40:45] Cohost: people, you can look it up if you wanna read about it. And a gentleman who was under the influence
[00:40:53] decided
[00:40:53] that it would be a great time. He was a janitorial staff. It would be a great time to feed a tiger. A pop dart. No. Oh, yes.
[00:41:03] Jamie: Okay.
[00:41:04] Cohost: And so,
[00:41:05] Joe Woolworth: remember this is Florida.
[00:41:06] Cohost: This is Florida. Florida man. Florida man. A fence was hopped. Second fence was hopped. And an arm was eaten.
[00:41:13] Jamie: Just
[00:41:13] Cohost: his arm.
[00:41:14] Jamie: Okay.
[00:41:16] He
[00:41:16] Cohost: lived
[00:41:16] the
[00:41:16] tiger did not.
[00:41:18] Jamie: the tiger didn't live.
[00:41:19] Cohost: No
[00:41:20] Jamie: What
[00:41:21] Cohost: Tragic.
[00:41:22] Well,
[00:41:22] you know,
[00:41:23] Jamie: they shot him.
[00:41:24] Cohost: he had a cold. Yes. It was his time. It's not, it's
[00:41:27] Jamie: not, that's not his fault. That is
[00:41:28] Cohost: terrible.
[00:41:30] I feel, I
[00:41:30] Jamie: I feel like if he didn't kill the man, then we should
[00:41:33] Cohost: bad for the big kitty. Well, he was trying to kill the man.
[00:41:36] Jamie: How did the man, okay, tell me I need more. How did the man get out of the cage?
[00:41:41] Cohost: he hopped the, oh, well,
[00:41:42] Jamie: you know,
[00:41:43] after he hopped in,
[00:41:44] Cohost: responders arrived to the scene and, you know, we worked the case.
[00:41:47] And So
[00:41:48] where was he?
[00:41:50] in the cage? With the line with the tiger,
[00:41:53] Jamie: with no arm, no Pop Tart. No Poptart.
[00:41:55] Poptart was gone. The
[00:41:56] Cohost: pop dar was eating more than the pop Dar was eating. Yeah. So
[00:42:00] Joe Woolworth: That's what started it. It started with a Pop-Tart. He
[00:42:02] Cohost: with the pop
[00:42:03] Joe Woolworth: that was delicious.
[00:42:05] Jamie: Let's keep
[00:42:05] Cohost: going.
[00:42:05] The appetizer was eating and needed, you know,
[00:42:08] Jamie: That is so interesting. Did you have the interview? The man I. No. Did you get to hear an interview with the
[00:42:12] Cohost: meal? don't
[00:42:14] Jamie: you see
[00:42:14] Cohost: video?
[00:42:14] There was video,
[00:42:16] Jamie: yes.
[00:42:16] Cohost: I think it is publicly available. Yeah. For those
[00:42:18] Jamie: who,
[00:42:19] of the, of the arm getting eaten. You have to pull it up for
[00:42:21] Cohost: yeah, I'll have to find it
[00:42:22] Joe Woolworth: type in Florida man, comma. Oh, there's a, it's all
[00:42:26] Cohost: yeah, yeah. No, it was, it was very tragic. It really did rock the community
[00:42:31] Jamie: and,
[00:42:31] aw,
[00:42:31] Cohost: you know, it's tough.
[00:42:33] We have to respect animals and their wild nature. You know, it's like sweet, big kitty,
[00:42:38] Jamie: but like,
[00:42:39] this is why I have to kick the dog. Oh God.
[00:42:41] Cohost: gosh. See,
[00:42:42] Jamie: see, we're bringing, coming on back
[00:42:44] Cohost: to that
[00:42:45] Oh
[00:42:45] Jamie: sometimes if they're not being controlled. Now, the man was wrong for going over the two fences, right. To feed the poptart. That's totally his fault. And I hate that the tiger had to go because of that.
[00:42:55] 'cause that was, he didn't initiate that
[00:42:58] foolishness. Okay, well that's a very exciting case. I would've loved to work that. Candace always thinks I'm crazy 'cause I love to look at like, the evidence photos.
[00:43:08] Cohost: Oh, no. It's fascinating. It really is.
[00:43:10] Jamie: My mind is like, what, how did this happen?
[00:43:14] So, okay. Well I wanted to discuss our story of the day. We're gonna go ahead and get to it. Okay. Is a story about our famous Fayette, Vietnam out here in Fayetteville, North Carolina.
[00:43:31] Story for the day. Kelly Bordeaux. She was a US Army nurse who went missing in 2012. Her case drew significant media attention because she basically disappeared after a night out with her friends at a bar in Fayetteville. And she was seen leaving with this man named Nicholas Holbert. They investigated the case, , she went missing, they investigated, couldn't find her case, went unsolved for, , a year or so. They say several years, but it looks like they caught him in like 14. So maybe it was like maybe a year and a half. But the reason I kind of wanted to bring up this case, so they didn't, they, she was almost like a missing person, right?
[00:44:12] So she went missing. They weren't really sure, like if it was her choice, if she wanted to go off with the man or what happened. And
[00:44:18] Cohost: so
[00:44:19] Jamie: a lot of times we deal with missing persons cases where we always say like, is the person like a transient person? Are you actually, like, are they a responsible person and you just can't find them?
[00:44:31] Right? Because that's kind of two different things. If the person is transient, then that kind of means that they aren't walking around with their ID and social security card on them, or then likely they're maybe on drugs, maybe there's some mental health stuff going on. And they just, , they're not logging in, , or going to an apartment complex or something like that.
[00:44:54] They're living on the streets, they're homeless. So, once you're over the age of 18, you know, the police aren't going to do an entire. , investigation looking for you, right? Unless they have some, , really good leads or somebody saw the person or they just have something to follow up on.
[00:45:13] So in this case, they did use like cadaver dogs and ground penetrating radar in the wooded areas, but they were never able to find Ms. Kelly. So Case went cold for a little bit. And there was a pi by the name of Marshburn, David Marshburn. So he was in the area in Fayetteville. He did not know Kelly personally, but before he got involved in her case, he has been an investigator that specializes in missing person cases. So he was drawn to the case, due to his high profile nature and the fact that it had gone unsolved for such a, , long period of time.
[00:45:55] He, , reached down inside and, , decided that he wanted to help this family find closure. And so he kind of goes into this whole case. He basically befriends the guy that last saw Kelly Nicholas. So he'd befriend Nicholas. I guess he's like going to the bars and hanging out with him and learning about him and, , asking questions and just kind of, , befriend him really, and ends up drawing out a confession and where her body was, which, yeah.
[00:46:32] Cohost: So
[00:46:33] Jamie: he is working with the police at this time. So I'm, I'm assuming like, 'cause they're, we don't work with law enforcement often, which is kind of, I was kind of talking to you about that a little bit with your Florida experience. Like how were you guys. Received or did you work with any PIs while you were working with law enforcement and you know, people were working together?
[00:46:54] Cohost: Yeah. We collaborated, I would say more frequently down there. Absolutely. With the sheriff's office more specifically.
[00:47:00] Jamie: Absolutely. Okay. So sheriff and not police,
[00:47:03] Cohost: Right. 'cause the city was so
[00:47:04] Jamie: small.
[00:47:05] Cohost: So more of the bigger cases were countywide. Yeah.
[00:47:09] Jamie: So we don't really have like as much interaction with law enforcement probably as you did down there. And I was shocked, not shocked, but it was interesting to hear that this Marshburn fellow was able to like communicate with law enforcement Now.
[00:47:24] I'm assuming because it was a cold case and they never found the body, there wasn't, there wasn't any evidence really to, , hold withhold from Yeah. The investigator. So I'm assuming that he just kind of went down there, said, I'm gonna be working on this case. Do you guys have any issues with that?
[00:47:41] They probably were like, no, do what you do. Right. Because they're not going to do massive searches and stuff like that, , because they assume, could assume that this person decided to walk off on their own and is, , that they're not dead. They're just don't wanna be bothered. So he does all of this research.
[00:47:58] He befriends our guy, Nick figures out what's going on, and he's able to turn that information over to the police. And then the police end up arresting Nicholas. And then he goes
[00:48:10] to jail. So. Fantastic.
[00:48:13] Cohost: Right.
[00:48:13] Save the day.
[00:48:14] Jamie: right.
[00:48:15] So,
[00:48:16] Joe Woolworth: it's
[00:48:16] Jamie: It's interesting. I was talking to a friend of mine about this, , they asked, do we get these cases?
[00:48:21] Yes. We, people call us all the time with missing persons or, , just trying to locate folks. And
[00:48:27] it, takes a lot of man hours to look for missing persons. You have to, , go to homeless shelters, just go, I mean, pretty much anywhere , that the person was last seen and kind of.
[00:48:41] See if you can draw up some kind of leads whether it's people that saw what was going on, saw them at the time, I mean, I can, my mind just goes like all over the place when I'm thinking about like, which direction would you actually take this? Except for starting with Nick, right. Because they knew that she was at the bar with him, , it was easy to focus on him, but sometimes we don't even get that much of a lead.
[00:49:06] So we refer, and I'm gonna throw out David here, Emrick, who is a PI that we work with as well, and he specializes on these missing persons cases. So whenever we get, , we try to like work them together. So if there's some, , research stuff that we can do we do our research and then kind of like pass it along to him.
[00:49:24] And then he kind of does like the, the hit in the streets type of work. So, I don't know. This was an interesting one case because it was and I mean one reason because it was in North Carolina in Fayetteville, and two, because, , how do PIs work with people or work with law enforcement when they're trying to work on these, on these type of cases.
[00:49:45] So, , always start off with some research first, like people do a lot of true finder and all that kind of stuff. And so disclaimer on like True Finder, they literally combine everybody in the world who's Brooke and put it all on one piece of paper and they're like, here's all this
[00:50:03] Cohost: Yes.
[00:50:04] Jamie: And then you're thinking that, , Brooke's a mass murderer,
[00:50:07] Cohost: Oh gosh.
[00:50:08] Jamie: but actually they spelled Brooke a little bit differently, , and it's not
[00:50:11] Cohost: that E.
[00:50:12] Jamie: right? So, , private investigators are awesome because we can help kind of slim down the leads. Where is there, , is there someplace that we can actually look for these people?
[00:50:24] Is there some way we can assist the family in, , at least eliminating some of these things that we know that, , she's not in this area. They're not in this area, but you know, could be here. And then we just kind of send people out. So
[00:50:36] Cohost: the tools and resources that we have available to us in the investigative field are greater than what's available to the general public.
[00:50:43] Jamie: right?
[00:50:43] 'cause we're not on a goose chase. We actually understand, like we can pull up somebody's information and say like, yes, they do have a current, , residence that they are associated with. , we can verify that information with like tag numbers and stuff like that so that we are sure that that's the right place.
[00:51:03] And then, you know, to double check, double check. We wanna make sure that we go there, do some surveillance, see the people coming out the house, whatever. That's the nice easy way to do these things. Mr. David Marshburn was an awesome investigator 'cause he pretty much dedicated his time and all of his efforts to, , befriending this guy.
[00:51:23] I just can't imagine having that much
[00:51:25] time. We are very busy
[00:51:27] Cohost: Yes. Yes.
[00:51:28] Joe Woolworth: There's a, there's a Dateline episode about it and it says that he spent more than a year befriending him.
[00:51:34] Jamie: It's a long time. Do you know how much that retainer is? I need a hundred thousand
[00:51:38] Joe Woolworth: And then, like, when they finally arrested him, it says that he tried to call his good buddy and he just didn't even pick up the phone
[00:51:44] Cohost: oh my goodness. Or
[00:51:45] Jamie: Poor Nicholas. After you confessed and told the man where, what you did and where the woman's body was, that's
[00:51:53] Cohost: He really thought he'd pick up
[00:51:54] after that.
[00:51:55] Jamie: an idiot. Well, he's obviously not a smart guy. He's out here killing folks. Right. So, but had he shut his mouth, he probably would've got away with
[00:52:02] Joe Woolworth: Who was paying that private investigator for a year?
[00:52:05] I don't.
[00:52:05] Or was that just like
[00:52:05] Jamie: a
[00:52:06] passion
[00:52:06] He, he just did this out of the kindness of his heart because he is aligned with his passion for helping families find
[00:52:12] Joe Woolworth: Alright, we're like two hours away. This guy should drive up here and we should, we should ask him some questions.
[00:52:17] Jamie: come on up here, Marshburn. We, and maybe we could put him on the list,
[00:52:21] Cohost: yes. Let's do it.
[00:52:23] Jamie: I wonder if he would come and talk to us about that.
[00:52:25] Joe Woolworth: certainly
[00:52:26] Cohost: so. I
[00:52:27] Jamie: don't see why he wouldn't. I
[00:52:28] Cohost: he could be out there befriending people though. He may be very busy making
[00:52:32] Jamie: that's probably at night. He could come in here in the daytime and, and do a podcast. We could
[00:52:36] Cohost: a medicine ball. He can't say no to that. Right?
[00:52:40] Jamie: Come get some nice. Steamed lemonade. But , he was driven by compassion, right? He's building trust with the individuals, following leads, conducting searches, demonstrating his dedication to Kelly's case. Despite not knowing her personally. So I could probably see myself putting a year in for
[00:52:57] Cohost: like a friend,
[00:52:59] Jamie: like if my friend went missing, then like, yes, I'm constantly working on this, you know, I'm gonna figure it out.
[00:53:05] Yeah, I'm coming for you, Brooke. Something ever happens, appreciate you. It will not
[00:53:09] Cohost: go quietly. Good.
[00:53:10] Joe Woolworth: a lot of self-control the PI had too, to not pick up the phone instead of picking up the phone and being like, gotcha.
[00:53:16] Cohost: I
[00:53:16] Jamie: know,
[00:53:17] but you know what, when you work, when you work on these type of cases for so long, it's like, first off, you're relieved that you've actually figured it out, right?
[00:53:28] And then two, it's kind of like you don't want, I
[00:53:30] Cohost: mean.
[00:53:31] Jamie: You want the, the processes to start at that point. And Ms. Mann has, , gotten away with it for a year and, .
[00:53:38] Cohost: the reward is the justice, right? Yeah.
[00:53:42] Jamie: And I didn't see, did you see anything, Joe, about if there was a trial? It's not
[00:53:46] in the synopsis, I
[00:53:47] Joe Woolworth: so it must be one of those datelines where it's like, and that's what
[00:53:50] Jamie: happened.
[00:53:50] Well, I, because,
[00:53:52] well,
[00:53:52] well, and after you confess to a PI who has basically spent his time just to figure you out and you confess to the man, they are 1000% gonna move forward and use him as their number one witness.
[00:54:06] Cohost: he record the confession?
[00:54:07] I dunno. Mm-Hmm.
[00:54:09] Jamie: I don't know. They're like, he's like, just go check by the
[00:54:11] Joe Woolworth: If they didn't, he probably could've just called him real quick. Be like, Hey, remember when we were talking the other day? Tell me that story again.
[00:54:20] Jamie: That is, this guy's an idiot. , idiots deserve to go down. So, so I wanted to talk really quick about like, what is too far, like what can a PI do in North Carolina?
[00:54:30] What can't we do? , we have to have, we have rules and regulations that we have to follow. However, if you wanna work for free and solve a murder without any help, go for it.
[00:54:42] Cohost: Yeah. I think that there have been a lot of legal issues popping up in the PI field interstate. I would say one of the biggest issues is misrepresentation as a police
[00:54:53] officer. So PIs are not police officers. We are not sworn we don't have powers of arrest. So when it comes to things like badges, probably don't wanna be wearing that.
[00:55:04] Jamie: but we, but
[00:55:05] Cohost: a little one in a
[00:55:06] wallet. Yes.
[00:55:07] Keep it in the wallet. Not on your
[00:55:08] Jamie: hip. Not on your hip. Not on your
[00:55:08] hip. Yeah. You can't like wear it.
[00:55:10] Yeah. But you can have it. Yes. So
[00:55:12] you
[00:55:13] Cohost: strutting around
[00:55:13] Jamie: Yeah. A little billfold thing. Exactly.
[00:55:15] Cohost: Yeah.
[00:55:16] Yes.
[00:55:17] Because that's a problem, that's a problem. Additionally making sure that you're on public property, not trespassing on private property. That's a big one.
[00:55:25] Jamie: So there's a new rule that they gave us maybe beginning of the year that says 'cause we are still allowed to use GPS trackers in North
[00:55:33] Cohost: Right.
[00:55:34] Jamie: And the, one of the new rules is that you cannot be on somebody's property between the hours of 12:00 AM and 6:00 AM. So if you know. Usually if you were gonna put a tracker on a car, you know you want to go dead at night, right?
[00:55:52] Like two, three o'clock in the morning is like ideal because nobody's really up and doing things unless they're coming from the club.
[00:55:59] Cohost: hey,
[00:56:01] Jamie: But so now
[00:56:03] Cohost: kind of club, not like extracurricular clubs of the millennials.
[00:56:06] Right. I'm going to Athletes club. Right? We're talking
[00:56:10] Jamie: We're talking about the club. But 12 to six. So if somebody is on your property or a pi is on your property, right between those hours trying to fix the GPS to your car, that is not good.
[00:56:24] They can be charged. You can actually do something about it, you know, if you were to catch them. So, we wanna make sure that we're following all the rules because we don't wanna put our clients at jeopardy. We don't wanna put cases in jeopardy, and we certainly wanna make sure that we are doing the right thing.
[00:56:39] Cohost: Oh yeah. Additionally fun fact, slightly different from pi, but still under the same branch of private protective services the digital forensics
[00:56:46] Jamie: field. Mm-Hmm.
[00:56:47] Cohost: So new laws have been put into place about that and you definitely want to get your license for that. Similarly, to a PI license, it's the same thing. So you don't wanna be conducting digital investigations without that license.
[00:57:00] So
[00:57:00] Jamie: So tell me, what is a digital investigation? Break it
[00:57:02] Cohost: Sure, sure. So private investigators, once they take a 40 hour course and they have certain experience testifying in court, they qualify in many cases to obtain their digital forensics. Yes they do. You got me digital forensics examiner license. And so a digital investigation would mean going through somebody's phone for digital evidence so you can actually recover, deleted photos, deleted text messages, going through hard drives on computers, things like that.
[00:57:31] Anything with a digital component as part of the investigation,
[00:57:33] Jamie: computer. Right. So you just can't be sneaking and peeking in. Everybody's sneaking beacon? Yes. No. Sneaking a beacon without a license.
[00:57:40] Cohost: Legal authorization, I'm just thinking like a dirty or a, a divorce case that turns ugly. So if like a spouse goes through your phone, it's not admissible in court or is that just different 'cause spouses are different?
[00:57:50] the spouses are different.
[00:57:51] That is a good question.
[00:57:52] Jamie: Well, I think that it, I think it all depends on if the phone is locked or not. And if you have access to the phone, so as a spouse
[00:58:00] Joe Woolworth: like if you have the password
[00:58:01] Jamie: right? Then you're like, at some point we discussed this and so you knew that that was my password.
[00:58:06] And so you can look through the phone also,
[00:58:09] Cohost: whose name is on that phone bill?
[00:58:11] Because if that spouse's name is on that phone bill, you can go look at the phone, right? Only if they are no longer like, living together. It's almost like, when you're a party to the conversation and you're recording, right?
[00:58:22] Jamie: We're one party state. So at, even if we are married I can't record audio in the house that I'm not a part of the conversation because there is an expected privacy. Yes. You and your house, we're not in here talking. So if I'm sitting here listening to your conversation, , by way of the security camera or some bug device that I put in there, you're not gonna be able to use that information in court as wire.
[00:58:48] Cohost: wiretap laws and
[00:58:49] Jamie: Yes. Wire tapping is a no-no.
[00:58:52] Joe Woolworth: don't understand that putting video cameras all in my house thing. I don't get
[00:58:56] Jamie: people do it all the
[00:58:57] Joe Woolworth: I know They
[00:58:57] do it for their kids and then they just, their kids grow up and they just forget and they're like, yeah. just leave those on forever. I'm sure nothing bad will come of this.
[00:59:06] Like always.
[00:59:06] Cohost: always comes
[00:59:07] Jamie: comes from it. I mean, either that, I mean, and it's, it's weird, right? Like I have a camera, I have cameras in my house, but I only have like two. And they're facing like the common areas.
[00:59:18] They're
[00:59:18] Cohost: helpful to watch your cats. It's helpful. Listen, it's helpful to watch
[00:59:22] Jamie: it. Jordan is never in the picture.
[00:59:24] Joe Woolworth: and America's Funniest Home Videos wouldn't have survived this long if we didn't have those security
[00:59:28] cameras to,
[00:59:29] Jamie: right.
[00:59:30] Joe Woolworth: would you do something
[00:59:31] Cohost: That's a fair point.
[00:59:31] Jamie: That's a fair point. They're like, we need more content. But yeah, I always tell clients, especially domestic clients.
[00:59:37] , understand what you can do and what you can't do. Understand , how this is gonna affect your case. If it's gonna affect your case negatively or potentially affect your case negatively, you don't wanna do it. We have a lot of clients that, , want to do the whole audio recording thing so that they can like, figure out what's going
[00:59:56] Cohost: on.
[00:59:56] be careful.
[00:59:57] Jamie: You could definitely get in big trouble for that. And you're definitely not supposed to like bug your kids.
[01:00:02] Cohost: Oh yeah. No.
[01:00:03] Jamie: so there are people who will wanna put like a bug device or something in a book bag or , something so that they can, , glean information from the other party while the child is with them.
[01:00:14] That is like a huge
[01:00:15] Cohost: the move.
[01:00:16] Jamie: Judges
[01:00:16] do not like it. Your attorney is gonna be pissed with you and it's just not gonna be a good thing. So, with all this to
[01:00:24] Cohost: say.
[01:00:25] Jamie: This was an excellent episode. Oh yeah. I wish we did get into our story a little bit more, but I was actually having more fun talking about Snoop Dogg and,
[01:00:33] Cohost: That was an
[01:00:34] Jamie: and all the other things.
[01:00:36] Right. So, did
[01:00:38] Joe Woolworth: ever watch that show Snoop Doc had about dumb criminals? No,
[01:00:40] Jamie: No.
[01:00:40] Cohost: No.
[01:00:41] Joe Woolworth: it only had like two seasons. He hosted it and he just showed internet clips of dumb criminals, like, and he just reacted
[01:00:46] Jamie: to '
[01:00:46] em
[01:00:46] Joe Woolworth: and it was, it was, so
[01:00:48] Cohost: what I'm doing
[01:00:48] Jamie: later. I, I would say I preferred him and Martha Stewart.
[01:00:51] That was an excellent show.
[01:00:53] Cohost: team.
[01:00:54] Jamie: I know. They were cute and they got together dur through, also during the Olympics when they were doing the jockey stuff, they were doing something with the horses, so that was cool. Anyways Martha, so PLE look
[01:01:06] Joe Woolworth: so dumb. It's criminal hosted by Snoop Dogg, if you wanna look it up.
[01:01:09] It was a one season from 2022. So dumb. It's criminal.
[01:01:13] Jamie: Okay. That was an after Covid thing. He was just trying to figure out how he was gonna get
[01:01:16] Joe Woolworth: I'm just sitting around watching TV when as well. Turn into a TV show, get some
[01:01:20] people over
[01:01:21] here,
[01:01:21] Jamie: right? And now I'm on the voice. I'm excited to see that. Okay, so, please come to us at Blackman Detective Services. We offer a free on the phone consultation.
[01:01:34] If you wanna come into the office, we can make that happen as well. But sometimes you just need to figure out what your options are. You need to figure out what you can do, what you can't do, what's the best way to gather your information, and then how a PI can help you capitalize on that information so that you're actually able to bring it to court and use it in your case and, , hopefully, , get the outcome that you are hoping for.
[01:01:56] If it doesn't go your way, sometimes you know the truth is the truth and you just can't make it up. I mean, you gotta stick with it. So,
[01:02:04] Cohost: the truth is
[01:02:05] Jamie: goal.
[01:02:05] the truth is the goal. You're right. We wanna make sure it's, it's really easy for us to just stick with the facts because we don't have to pick a side.
[01:02:14] We don't wanna pick a side. We just want to be on the side of the truth because , , all the stuff in between and how we even got here is like not even my business. So it's nice to just focus on the facts. So please give us a call. You can find us on the webs,
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[01:02:50] Cohost: Oh yes.
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[01:02:58] Cohost: It talks about scams, it talks about we have a little cybersecurity
[01:03:01] Jamie: corner.
[01:03:01] Yes. I love that.
[01:03:02] Cohost: Some case stories. Yes. Some red flags. Good
[01:03:05] Jamie: stuff
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[01:03:05] Yes. 'cause you need to know all these things.
[01:03:07] The world is crazy and you need to make sure that you're paying attention. Head on the swivel.
[01:03:11] I love
[01:03:11] Cohost: that. Wait, I need that on a bumper sticker. Seriously, pay attention. Right.
[01:03:15] Jamie: Really?
[01:03:16] So fantastic. Thanks for coming and hanging out with your favorite sleuths today. Come back and listen. You can always revisit older episodes and see ,
[01:03:26] Cohost: the evolution, if you will, dare I say
[01:03:28] Joe Woolworth: Kamala
[01:03:29] Jamie: Kamala,
[01:03:30] Cohost: oh my gosh,
[01:03:30] right.
[01:03:31] Jamie: Say Kamala's name right y'all. And thanks to Joe as always for having us.
[01:03:37] , podcast. Carrie is the bomb and I've never seen turnaround on a podcast so
[01:03:41] Cohost: quick.
[01:03:41] Jamie: Yes. That was your plug for
[01:03:43] Cohost: so humble.
[01:03:44] Jamie: All right, y'all have a great day and we will see you next time. See ya.