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Stacey Flaster and Dori Goldman are two ladies obsessed with cults and true crime. Join them as they take us into the depths of some of the most notorious cults, crimes, and killers that the world has ever known. They consume content and ask deep dark questions that only a certified expert can answer... enter Dr. John Mayer. Dr. John is an internationally known Forensic Psychologist and expert on violent behavior and crime prevention, with 35 years of experience consulting to law enforcement and testifying in hundreds of court cases as an expert witness. He is the "Real Deal" and will help Stacey and Dori get to the bottom of of their curious criminal minds.
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Stacey/Dori
Keep sweet. Pray and obey exposes a command and control system built to manufacture compliant girls
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Stacey/Dori
for sexual and marital assignment under a profit figure. Age was not a barrier. Children were transported, paired to adult men and told their bodies were sacral instruments of obedience. Resistance was defined as heresy.
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Stacey/Dori
This documentary shows the machinery that made it possible for boys expelled to thin the male population.
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Stacey/Dori
Income and housing held hostage. Plural marriages conducted in a locked temple and sexual acts performed under ritual instructions. Jeffs recorded a scripture, not hidden impulses. Engineered abuse. The raid footage makes visible an architecture built for crime compounds designed to isolate birth records falsified to erase ages. Women relocated across state lines without legal agency, entire lives notarized to protect the perpetrator rather than the child.
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Stacey/Dori
Even after conviction, Jeffs continued issuing rules from the prison, proof that the violence was not a deviation of one man's appetite, but a system that could run in his absence because obedience had been carved into people as doctrine.
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Dr John
The FLDS Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints is a radical Mormon sect that continued the practice of polygamy after the mainstream LDS church renounced it under the leaders, including first Rulon Jeffs, then his son Warren Jeffs. The FLDS confined followers in isolated communities, controlled and arranged marriages, housing, income, education, and arranged plural unions, including to underage girls as young as 13 and 14 years of age.
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Dr John
They sold this to the followers as their religious duty. Male dissenters, especially teenage boys, were expelled, and if they had wives, these women were reassigned to be wives to others within the group. The community has been the subject of multiple criminal investigations and prosecutions involving child marriage, rape, coercion, and financial and social control.
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Speaker 1
Outside my window. It's only raining.
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Speaker 1
When the wind blows in. I feel pain.
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Unknown
And I don't need no doctors.
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Speaker 1
Maybe I'm not sick. My body's been lined up. I've broken up cells in every.
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Speaker 1
May.
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Stacey/Dori
Let's go to it. Lee. Baloney! Holy baloney. You know, it wasn't any more. It was. So it was still as shocking when I watched it.
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Stacey/Dori
Now, the second time through, the thing that really that I took away from it is the. And I want to talk to chapter John about this, the idea that when these people when these women are, from a very young age, indoctrinated with this, whatever, they tell them to do all the rules and, you know, away from secular life that when they become saved, like when somebody comes to save them, they don't know why, they don't know why they're being sent.
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Stacey/Dori
It's almost feels like when people were released from concentration camps, they were so gone that they couldn't even realize that they were free. And these women, they, you know, as we go throughout this, you know, the the children, when they raided the place, they took all the children away from the women. And the women were like up in arms about it.
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Stacey/Dori
And, what ended up happening was the children were given back to the parents, but it was it's just a mess there. And it's still going on. Dory, what do you see? Yeah. It's interesting. Well, it's interesting that you say that. And I've also this was the second time I watched it too, and I'm glad that I watched it a second time, because I'm not going to lie, I didn't remember a lot of this.
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Stacey/Dori
I've seen so many of the documentaries on here. You have to, on Warren Jeffs. So, this one, I was like, it's I think it was out in what, like 2022 or something like that. So it's been a few years since I've actually seen it, but it is it is a great point that you mentioned that, that, you know, the, that the mothers were so appalled when they were raided that the kids were being taken away.
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Stacey/Dori
However, this whole religion is based on production of children to become wives of old men like children of nine, ten, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19 years old to marry these old men and to procreate more babies. The children are treated like utter garbage. They are molested, they are raped. But the what? The mothers. The parents who they themselves.
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Stacey/Dori
A lot of these mothers are children themselves. They are 16 years old. They are 15 years old. But they were so adamant about protecting their kids when they were raided because like you said, it is that brainwashing thing. They were they're not even happy.
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Unknown
Who?
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Speaker 2
underage brides. Raise them like calves in the stall. That way, you're going to have this pool of pure, clean girls that are going to be going to these old lectures.
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Speaker 3
We believed that, maturity of our girls was higher than Gentiles and apostates. Age didn't really matter. So, like, you could be married of 14 and God thought that you were worthy at 14, then you know, it wasn't a big deal.
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Stacey/Dori
The other thing I want to bring up, because you you reminded me of something, think about it. And I blp Orthodox Judaism they don't in Mormonism and it's Mormonism and FLDS they don't teach anything. So when you're molested, you don't know what's going on when you don't know anything. So they can do whatever they want to you. They don't know anything.
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Stacey/Dori
They have no information. They the women that were just toys. Yeah. The exactly the women that were interviewed in the documentary actually said that the first time that that they had sex with these old dudes, they had no idea what was happening to them. They were crying. They begged. They felt bad. It a bad about them. It is a complete and utter rape is what it of great children in docs discussion about don't do these things and this thing is bad, this thing is bad.
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Stacey/Dori
Come into my room. I'm going to do exactly what I told you out there not to do. And then what the hell are the kids thinking? Or they don't know? They're like, wait, I'm being bad? And then they say that they and the girls invited it. Yeah. Didn't they, didn't Rebecca say, okay, so Rulon is Warren Jeffs father?
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Stacey/Dori
Yes. And at the time, she met, she married him. They made her marry him. She was, what, 19? And he was in his late 70s.
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Speaker 3
It's what's called the placement principle. You didn't court and decide who you were going to marry. Only the prophet could choose who you married.
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Speaker 4
It was a big deal in our culture. When a girl is ready to get married. To turn her into the prophet. And that was to go to the prophet and say, here's my daughter. Do with her as you will. Whatever has God's will. And so when I turned 19, my father, he brought me to rule. And Jeffs.
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Speaker 4
It had become known that there was a specific handshake that he would give to girls that would then later become his wife. And that day he shook my hand and he squeezed it three times. And that meant I was supposed to marry him. And my dad was so excited for any man in the FLDS to have their daughter marry into the Prophet's family was a massive honor.
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Speaker 4
And I think my dad felt like finally he was getting the respect that he was entitled to and that he deserved. But I was just like you rule. And Jeffs was 85 when I married him. And I was 19.
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Speaker 4
So I got married, and then my father got his third wife.
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Stacey/Dori
Can you. Stacy. No. I miss you both matter how much, how much money you get. Well, see, that's not right. I'm kidding. How was. How would you like it if I were like, Stacy, I'm your matchmaker.
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Stacey/Dori
Have I got a man for you? You're 18 years old, and I owe this man. Who's Abby Cummins. Oh, my goodness. Just with him. Does he wear a diaper? I hope I get to change his diaper. You know what? What I say thank you, sweetie. He wrote so it's so gross. Cheap bitch. They had all hippies wives.
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Stacey/Dori
Had to, like, kiss him and be with him even when he was, like, at his death's door. How? That's the one. God, Dori, forgive me if I'm wrong. Is this the one where the girl would massage his feet so that she could have? Yeah, so she would, because I watched another thing after that. So I'm totally confused. Oh, yeah.
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Stacey/Dori
She they would watch, she would wash his feet so that time would go by and maybe he'd fall asleep, and then she wouldn't have to,
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Stacey/Dori
you know, endure any of that
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Stacey/Dori
disgusting closeness. Just like procreation. So I don't wait. Did did Rebecca have kids from Wuhan? Did she have any kids from him? That's a good question. Let me look.
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Stacey/Dori
I don't know, but let's talk. Okay, so then there is the. So Rulon dies. I mean, he's an old dude. Then Rulon dies. And then, you know, Rulon has a million children. But one of the kids is this Warren Jeffs. So, okay, I know that there is a pattern of me, you know, connecting with some of these people that we talk about that are discussed.
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Stacey/Dori
No. However. Oh, no, no, au contraire, au contraire. Okay, good. Warren Jeffs is the most I think, disgusting physically person. Now he's. He's so okay. But here's a funny thing that I found about Warren Jeffs when they showed that clip of him singing, I honestly thought of like, what if this were, like, Mormon American Idol where he was, like, trying out for a, like an idol, and he saw all these video pop star.
00:13:08:22 - 00:13:39:01
Stacey/Dori
And then later they say that when he was on the run, he was going to Disneyland and he, oh, I know to get a motorcycle and a car. And he was drinking. I could really see him wanting to audition for like American Idol or The Voice. Like, Here's Warren Jeffs, our next contestant. You know, listen, that song that he sang from prison to those women who were sitting there with her like, they were like taking notes so they could bring it back to the, you know, to Zion.
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Stacey/Dori
He was he was.
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Dori
In it.
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Stacey/Dori
You are sweet. Like, it was this gross, weird voice. It's like. And he caught it. You should cut that as a demo. And then the girls are like, keep it, sweetie. Pray. Okay? I love the father. And they're singing in this. Weird. The whole thing is so fucked up. Well, it and ugly looking. Everything's boring and ugly.
00:14:10:09 - 00:14:28:24
Stacey/Dori
It's. Everything is just dark. Everything is dark. Okay, so, Warren. Disgusting. However, what else was stronger? Was Jeff's brother who was interviewed. You wouldn't kick him out of yours. He's kind of easy on the eyes.
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Stacey/Dori
well, this is definitely for me, but, like, even, like, then, like, he talks about he had a million wives and he had a million kids.
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Stacey/Dori
Oh, let's just say this too. What? Isn't it the fact that, like, the more wives you have, the better off you're going to be having sex world, right? Yeah. They're next. Yeah. So you want to have these wives? Who was the one? Stacey? Well, I don't remember her name. Who was the sweet woman who had. Oh, who initially was, like, so into it and then married one of Warren's brothers and really liked him, but then was told by Warren that she couldn't be with him anymore.
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Stacey/Dori
What's her name? Yes. You know what the story I remember. The problem with me is I never take notes on names. You know what I mean? I know exactly. Oh, I loved her. The short brown hair. Who was in love with the guy? She was terrific. And her kids, for example. And they're. They're living a regular life.
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Stacey/Dori
She's Alicia. Great.
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Stacey/Dori
Wait a minute. Her name was on the week instead of Warren Jeffs voice. I know it's I know.
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Dr John
God.
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Stacey/Dori
I know it's Halloween, but, you know, we are recording on Halloween. I we are. Sounds a little bit like the cult leader. Doctor John Mayer. Who it does. I appreciate giving us the the name Alicia. Yeah. You know, we're here like, you know, trying to figure it all out. And you are the voice of God. Now, do we want to introduce him yet?
00:16:03:21 - 00:16:16:05
Stacey/Dori
Or are we there? Do we even need to introduce him? I think he's already here. I think it because he. This Halloween, he may have flown out of the green room. Yes. You know, he's dressed up.
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Dr John
Of course, of two. I have a cult of two.
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Stacey/Dori
Whatever you say. Up and.
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Dr John
Growing and whatever.
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Stacey/Dori
You say.
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Unknown
Oh. They.
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Stacey/Dori
So, doctor, mayor, what did you think? Because we haven't discussed this.
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Dr John
Oh, my God, as long as I'm here out of the green room, I barely finished my last chocolate chip cookie. But wow. I have to admit to to you two and a thousand kudos to both of you. Because, you know, I you said, oh, we're going to take this on as our next assignment. And I'm going, okay, Mormon, you know, ism, etc..
00:17:00:08 - 00:17:28:09
Dr John
But I started to watch this and I have to tell you a little, little clip it a vignette. I finished my office hours one night at 1 a.m. in the morning seeing patients, and I just said, I'm going to watch about five minutes of, the documentary for the broadcast. And I stayed up. Another hour just was capped off, and I think it was episode three where I was just like, this is just so messed up.
00:17:28:11 - 00:17:57:12
Dr John
So audience, this is just a crazy, crazy situation and so evil. There's a lot of things that, I want to say and, you know, the the other thing that comes to my mind is I compared it to in a, in an interesting way to the Jim Jones massacre, the Jim Jones situation has become such a part of our cultural lexicon, you know, as Jim Jones in that that's, you know, ultimate evil increase.
00:17:57:12 - 00:18:23:04
Dr John
And this is of the same scope, if not more evil, because little kids were being raped. And, you know, I have used the term which we've coined here on the Candy of psychological murder. You know, and I and I hate to say it this way, but with the Jim Jones massacre, people would, you know, drink the Kool-Aid and and and died.
00:18:23:06 - 00:18:47:05
Dr John
But these people are living the rest of their lives with these scars and this evil that happened to them. And what to in my mind, that's that's just such torture. That's why I call it psychological murder. So those are some of my initial reactions. It's just this is really an evil, evil situation. So I agree with a lot of what you were saying.
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Speaker 1
After I found out the truth about Warren, I realized that my whole life was a lie. Everything I was told to, believed or thought. I felt so betrayed and so angry.
00:19:06:19 - 00:19:24:20
Speaker 1
Because I loved God. I love this prophet so much. And I said in my mind, I am never going back. That was the turning point once I said that in my brain. I never questioned it again. And by dam I was not letting my children go back to that.
00:19:25:17 - 00:19:49:00
Dr John
One of the a couple of comments I want to pick up on from what you both were talking about is the the ignorance that the followers had. You know, they were kept ignorant, they didn't know what was going on in the world. And that's what fuels things like this. You know, people don't realize that there's alternatives.
00:19:49:02 - 00:19:53:12
Dr John
I thought it was poignant when the first girl, I think it was,
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Dr John
Rebecca Wall, who left and she got a job as a waitress, and she didn't even know common slang or way people talked. And she was just seen. She she was so compelling how she was just lost in the world because of how she was kept isolated.
00:20:14:22 - 00:20:47:02
Dr John
And that I think that's, you know, such a crime that happened to these people. And you both are right. When you talked about the the mothers, you know, crying for their kids, I think we we mentioned how the, the state of Texas finally gruesome coneys and, raided the, the place because they had some evidence of, of the, sexuality that was happening to, to, minors.
00:20:47:04 - 00:21:08:24
Dr John
And they raided the place and, the mothers were crying for their children. Had no idea the one girl was also very poignant. The one girl, probably about 12 or 13, said, I didn't even know what these people were, these people in uniforms and guns. She had no concept of police.
00:21:09:01 - 00:21:24:16
Stacey/Dori
They don't know what that that's that's what I mean. It's like they have no idea anything about the outside world. So for them, it would be like a baby, you know? You know, like seeing all these things and being like, what is this? They wouldn't know what was protecting them necessarily.
00:21:24:18 - 00:21:49:14
Dr John
Yeah. And another aspect of this, and I loved how Stacy and Dory was, was imitating, the Warren Jeffs and his voice. You know, we we hear him and he's so mealy mouthed. And yet there was this one statement by one of the followers saying he was such a good preacher and such a good orator, and we're going, what?
00:21:49:16 - 00:22:22:07
Dr John
But and again, it goes to their eagerness. They never heard lectures or speeches from Martin Luther King or Obama or, you know, they don't know what a good speaker is. And then this man, well, everybody, you know, the go on, God almighty, you know, and we're gone. People are following this guy. But in perspective, we have examples in our in our world and in our life of people who are powerful speakers and, and reach us at a deep level.
00:22:22:09 - 00:22:27:11
Dr John
This is all they knew, which is, I think, an important point. That's why they follow.
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Unknown
You.
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Unknown
Have.
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Speaker 1
We were told that our prophet
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Speaker 1
would never die. That he would be renewed to be young again. We believed the prophet knew everything we did. Knew every thought we had. Knew our dreams, knew our wishes, our desires. He also was the one that created all arranged marriages.
00:23:06:06 - 00:23:21:03
Speaker 1
he was the final say behind any decision that was going to be made in our minds. The police and even the president of the United States had no authority over us because we're in Jeffs as our president. He was the prophet. And
00:23:27:11 - 00:23:50:23
Dr John
The other general comment I want to make is that there's such a a crime here. This is grooming of sexual predation at a mass level, grooming these these girls were groomed to be such sexual objects for these old men. And and you both hit it, right on the head.
00:23:51:00 - 00:24:01:14
Dr John
This Rulon at 85, takes one of the people who left Rebecca Wall as a wife when she was 19, just let alone.
00:24:01:14 - 00:24:05:24
Stacey/Dori
By the way, I looked it up. She did not have kids with Rulon Jeffs. I just wanted you to know that. Yeah, they.
00:24:05:24 - 00:24:06:24
Dr John
Seem like they didn't.
00:24:06:24 - 00:24:23:04
Stacey/Dori
Seem like she did not. They mean he had kids with with his nephew, with Warren's nephew or something. And they got along. Probably couldn't get it up. I mean, let's all let's all call it what it is, right? Rulon probably needed the little blue pill.
00:24:23:10 - 00:24:30:23
Dr John
Or nothing in the bank. You know, even in and I, we didn't have any, anything to to give.
00:24:30:23 - 00:24:47:18
Dr John
By the way, for our audience, I think the numbers are important. Both of you said, you know, that Warren had zillions of. I. Warren Jeffs had 64 wives, 64 wives. Crazy.
00:24:47:20 - 00:25:18:23
Stacey/Dori
Well, and he had all those, like, we should also say to I'm sure those that are probably going to listen to this understand, but the the girls have no choice about who they marry. Great point. So it's all about like Warren Jeffs as the prophet Rulon before him, as father, before him deciding who he would marry. And all the other men in this group are going to marry.
00:25:19:00 - 00:25:50:24
Stacey/Dori
And again, let's call it for what it is he's picking these kids to have sex with. He's picking these women to just he has 64 wives because he want to have sex with a bunch of women. This is what it is all about and continue to create these babies within this faith. The thing that was also so sad to me is they don't make any money.
00:25:50:24 - 00:26:06:24
Stacey/Dori
They have to give their money to him. They were giving him weekly money. He was getting 300,000. And the guy said or more a week while he was on the run, all their mother, this guy, it's like it's me saying I'm a prophet, you know?
00:26:07:01 - 00:26:49:20
Dr John
And these also remember they showed that some of these men were very creative and industrial people. One started a business that was, you know, multi-million dollar business. I think there was a couple that started incredibly successful businesses and they had to turn everything over to the church, you know, which, you know, some I hope one of the goals that Kandi has to make change in this world is I think we need some kind of legislation or some kind of evaluation of what creates a church in this, this world we have.
00:26:49:20 - 00:27:14:24
Stacey/Dori
So, yeah. And you know what? It's never going to happen. Yeah. I don't think I really wanted to it's never going to happen, that they don't pay taxes and they don't have to pay follow the money. It's the biggest front for rape abuse, control, manipulation, isolation. It's the one thing they can use to support what they're doing.
00:27:15:01 - 00:27:19:13
Stacey/Dori
And they can always support it. It's it's it's insane.
00:27:19:15 - 00:27:46:03
Dr John
You know, one of the things I want to get to, too, that really bothered me and cuts to my core, is I was always taught when I was in med school and earlier that incest was the universal taboo. I remember one professor saying that, you know, you can go across we find aborigine tribes and, you know, people in the Amazon in em.
00:27:46:03 - 00:28:12:00
Dr John
And incest is the universal taboo. No society, no culture, condones incest. And here we have this dispelled because this, this whole thing with all these mixture of wives and trading wives and giving groups of wives to another man, is so incestuous and so, fundamental.
00:28:12:00 - 00:28:17:10
Stacey/Dori
Yeah, but cousins, the cousins were married. They're there. I mean,
00:28:17:10 - 00:28:29:20
Stacey/Dori
this is still happening. It's not like this was, you know, this is no longer like this is what is happening today. And that who stops this?
00:28:35:01 - 00:28:36:00
Speaker 2
and said.
00:28:36:02 - 00:28:37:08
Speaker 3
Becky.
00:28:37:10 - 00:28:52:24
Speaker 2
Your sister Lisa is going to get married. And I was like, what? How can that be? She's only 14. For what reason would a 14 year old girl be told to marry her first cousin, no less?
00:28:53:01 - 00:29:21:03
Speaker 3
My cousin Ellen stayed. I had grown up sort of knowing him, and I just grew a really intense dislike for him. He had been mean and rude to me my entire life. There was this feeling that I would get when I was around him. My skin would crawl and I didn't feel safe in his presence. And because of my stubborn side, I did a few things that most girls of the FLDS don't do.
00:29:21:03 - 00:29:49:00
Speaker 3
And that is to speak against this impending marriage. I was quite defiant and I just. I will not do this. I cannot do this. I cannot marry him. When I finally had the opportunity to sit across from Warren, it felt like for me that I was fighting for my very life. I was crying and scared. I was intimidated to be sitting in his presence.
00:29:49:02 - 00:30:05:04
Speaker 3
And it was compounded with him asking me, are you questioning the prophets? Well, do you believe that you know better than the prophets? He was immovable. My pleas and my requests were ignored.
00:30:05:04 - 00:30:12:17
Dr John
One of the things I thought the documentary which was well done, fell short was, the epilog. I.
00:30:12:19 - 00:30:13:02
Stacey/Dori
Yeah.
00:30:13:03 - 00:30:15:04
Dr John
Do they still exist? Are they still.
00:30:15:04 - 00:30:36:19
Stacey/Dori
Running? Yeah. Yes. 0I0 they're definitely still. Oh no. Now granted. So I did look it up I'm sure Stacey you know our pod candy researcher has also looked into this as well, but. Yeah. Warrants a Warren I think was recently like sued again. He's still in prison. He's probably going to be in prison for the rest of his life.
00:30:36:24 - 00:31:00:23
Stacey/Dori
But just like the documentary said back in 2022, he's still kind of running everything from prison. So just means it's going on. And, it's still active. Though its presence and membership have dwindled significantly in recent years, the leader, Warren Jeff, continues to exert influence as the prophet of the church from prison, where he is serving a life sentence for child sexual assault, and they're still active members.
00:31:00:23 - 00:31:36:10
Stacey/Dori
More than 3000 to 10,000 members remaining. A subscribe 3000 to 10,000 remain fewer than 3000. So what about what about what about those recordings? Ian? When they moved to Texas and they were talking about the recordings, were the little girls where they had the big bedroom, the big white bed. That was crazy. I mean, what where Warren would rape these young women who supposedly are his wives and there would be kids screaming and wild.
00:31:36:14 - 00:31:38:12
Dr John
And some of the other wives were.
00:31:38:15 - 00:31:38:24
Stacey/Dori
And the other.
00:31:38:24 - 00:31:41:02
Dr John
King watching at the time that.
00:31:41:02 - 00:32:03:03
Stacey/Dori
He was in it. It's the it's the most awful sexual stuff for people that say it's I can't believe the hypocrisy. And it's it's hard to imagine that bed in that in the temple. The temple is a place where not everybody gets to go. It's like a very special place. The Mormon Temple is what stands out from my reading.
00:32:03:08 - 00:32:14:23
Stacey/Dori
So going to this Mormon temple, the kids probably thought, you know, we're going to a great place, you know? And then they go in there and they go behind the wall and there's a giant white bed. Well, nothing.
00:32:14:23 - 00:32:38:17
Dr John
Else in the room. Just the just the bed. Just bad audience. This is a this is a, I think like, you can picture it like the attic of this temple was the upper floor. The room is completely, very bright white with this very bright white bed and linens on it. And this was the rape bed, you know, that's what I'm calling it.
00:32:38:17 - 00:32:39:13
Dr John
The rape bin.
00:32:39:13 - 00:32:44:17
Speaker 4
We had been taught that the temple was
00:32:44:17 - 00:32:52:06
Speaker 4
the most holy place on this earth, that there could possibly be.
00:32:52:08 - 00:33:10:01
Speaker 5
There was a lot of mystery around it. What had actually happened in that temple was always kept secret. And so I was quite curious when we were given the opportunity to go in with some of the law enforcement.
00:33:13:17 - 00:33:38:16
Speaker 3
Working our way towards the back. There was an area that was an arched entry, and it had a real pretty curtains over it. As you go through there, there is another inner room. And we discovered a, a bed in there.
00:33:38:18 - 00:33:48:20
Speaker 3
It was a tall bed. It was actually like an altar where you'd carry a person and put them onto that bed. And it was about waist or above high. And it was very white.
00:33:48:22 - 00:33:57:23
Speaker 5
Just seeing that room, I realized that something wasn't right with it. The way that it was laid out, you just you could feel it.
00:34:01:10 - 00:34:06:03
Dr John
And the. And wives would watch this happen as he raped it.
00:34:06:06 - 00:34:18:20
Stacey/Dori
We have to remember, too, that like I mentioned before, and this is not to give them a pass, but a lot of the quote unquote wives were also teenagers at the time. Yeah. And
00:34:18:20 - 00:34:28:11
Stacey/Dori
also, I did find it kind of, fascinating that like the one woman with the dark pixie cut, that's Alicia, that what we said her name is?
00:34:28:17 - 00:34:59:23
Stacey/Dori
Yeah. Then there's Alissa, and then there's a. So Alicia was very young in her teens and wanted to be married young. She wanted that. Then on the flip side, you have the other two girls. You have Rebecca's young sister, Alissa, who eventually this is why Warren Jeffs is in prison. She and Rebecca really help the FBI to, bring up a case against him.
00:35:00:00 - 00:35:33:23
Stacey/Dori
And then you have, Alissa Alissa's friend. I don't remember her name. Who with the other boy that she loved so much and that Warren said she couldn't marry him, and she tried to escape and then she went back. They found this whole thing repulsive. They begged their parents. Do not let me marry an old man. And. But then this is why I'm mentioning this.
00:35:33:23 - 00:36:01:11
Stacey/Dori
On the flip side, Alicia wanted that. She wanted to be married. She was so into this. And I'm not gonna. I'm just going to say this. I think if things didn't go down the way that they did with Warren taking over, taking her kids to Texas, she may be one of those that would still be in this. Just my thought, just my observation.
00:36:01:13 - 00:36:01:22
Stacey/Dori
Well, that's I.
00:36:02:01 - 00:36:27:22
Dr John
Think that's the strength of this brainwashing. You know, we have both grooming, going on, grooming these children to be sex objects. Horrible. But then there's Britney. People are just absolutely brainwashed, you know, this is the way to be, you know? And that's why they still visit them in prison and sing with him and take sermons for the, their services from, from this absolute evil criminal.
00:36:27:24 - 00:36:52:09
Dr John
Who who would think that that would be right. And then the line, you know, and the people don't even turn against him when there's lying. And then let's emphasize this whole, time when he was on the run because he felt the pressure of the law coming down on him when they were in Utah. So he goes on the run and he's living the high life.
00:36:52:09 - 00:37:01:07
Dr John
He's going to the Super Bowl and football game, strip clubs. You know, spending money, drinking.
00:37:01:09 - 00:37:05:04
Stacey/Dori
Watching tons of porn, watching tons of porn.
00:37:05:05 - 00:37:35:01
Dr John
Hello? Isn't that everything that these people say is evil about the world? And yet they forgive him, you know, and they don't turn away from him after all this activity, they. Maybe they didn't know that this all happened, but a couple of them that, you know, I think and I love how Stacy in our episode, she'll she'll undoubtedly mention heroes, a little later, but I want to point out some of the people that were so complicit in this.
00:37:35:01 - 00:37:48:10
Dr John
I'm the one guy who's sat there calmly and saying, you know, we put money in, empty tomato sauce cans, and to send to him so it wouldn't be discovered and.
00:37:48:15 - 00:37:50:06
Stacey/Dori
Oh, my God, it's like money laundering.
00:37:50:06 - 00:38:06:08
Dr John
Like $100 plus a week a week. So he could live the life that, you know, this decadent life that, you know, he exposed, you know, was against in his church.
00:38:06:10 - 00:38:11:03
Stacey/Dori
How could he have? He has no conscience. He's definitely sociopathic. And he's proud of.
00:38:11:04 - 00:38:20:14
Dr John
You know, this guy sat there on. It's like he was like, cool. I'm. I'm I'm giving you these facts for this dark money. But but you're an evil bastard yourself, you know?
00:38:20:19 - 00:38:22:11
Stacey/Dori
Right? You smug.
00:38:25:22 - 00:38:27:21
Speaker 3
this day.
00:38:27:23 - 00:38:43:17
Speaker 4
It would later come out that while Warren was on the run, he was living the high life. He went to Disney World. He had his favorite lives, was in warm gentile clothing.
00:38:43:19 - 00:39:02:06
Speaker 4
They went to Mardi Gras in New Orleans in strip clubs, and he was watching porn in motel rooms for his wives. He had Harley-Davidson motorcycles, so he never really learned how to drive.
00:39:02:08 - 00:39:14:24
Speaker 4
He was really out living it up, enjoying all the pleasures of the Gentile world that he supposed to this despised.
00:39:15:01 - 00:39:38:03
Speaker 5
Every week from the crew. People would come and turn in their donations or tithing, etc.. And we would collect it. Envelopes full of cash. The money actually just was transported in boxes to Warren.
00:39:38:05 - 00:39:48:02
Speaker 2
It began to be like, okay, we need money this week. Every one of you come up with $1,000. Every adult in the home, no matter what it takes.
00:39:48:04 - 00:40:00:00
Speaker 1
And we had very little resources for even fuel and gas money to get around. It was hand-to-mouth, paycheck to paycheck and worse. Maxing out credit cards to try to meet the call.
00:40:00:02 - 00:40:05:09
Speaker 5
And tell his brother Seth was caught in Colorado.
00:40:05:11 - 00:40:17:19
Speaker 4
Seth was acting as a courier, transporting money and mail and information for Warren, and he was arrested for aiding and abetting federal fugitive.
00:40:17:21 - 00:40:23:03
Speaker 1
Mr. Jeffs, can you say anything to us? Where's your brother? Where are we? Where are you headed?
00:40:23:04 - 00:40:32:06
Speaker 6
Where are you headed? Texas. South. Got a slap on the wrist. And I was one of those kind of things. They didn't get him for very much, but the evidence was there.
00:40:32:08 - 00:41:05:16
Speaker 5
So we had to change the tactics on how, the money was transported. And we go to Costco and get both boxes of cans, like cans of tomato sauce. And we would drop $50,000 in one of those cans and then glue it so it looked like it had never been touched. And when he was on the run, when he sent Warren an average of about $300,000 a week.
00:41:08:11 - 00:41:13:23
Speaker 5
Every week? No, not once a month. Every week.
00:41:15:13 - 00:41:42:06
Stacey/Dori
I a lot of these people, too. It's all about hypocrisy. I mean, often you definitely highlight. We've been highlighting this. It's all about, With this, it's definitely do what I say, not do. Oh my gosh. Oh my God. I was literally thinking of that phrase and I was trying to say the same thing, but I was going to say do as I do as I do as I say now, I did.
00:41:42:08 - 00:41:42:18
Dr John
Not as.
00:41:42:18 - 00:42:00:08
Stacey/Dori
A senior, Stacy and I, I don't know, Doctor John, can you tell us what, Stacy and I are so on the same wavelength of friends we separated in birth for. This is there really, like, a logical term that Stacy and I are so connected with? I would say the same thing. Oh, my God, that was so exciting.
00:42:00:08 - 00:42:09:14
Stacey/Dori
Like, you literally in the phrase is so out of nowhere. Yes, exactly. Do as I say and don't do what I do.
00:42:09:19 - 00:42:11:09
Dr John
Yeah, yeah.
00:42:11:11 - 00:42:16:08
Stacey/Dori
But they think what they're doing is right. I don't know, they just justify it. Do you think that they're aware?
00:42:16:10 - 00:42:40:14
Dr John
That's my point. And I don't want to be redundant here. But you're putting money in a empty tomato sauce. Can descend to the sky to go on this, you know, heinous. What's the word, hedonistic journey? Even these brainwashed people. Can't you see that this is wrong?
00:42:40:16 - 00:43:09:08
Stacey/Dori
The man was wearing jorts. Yeah. I mean, I me hanging on flds the jorts. Yeah, I don't know what. You know what's interesting? The, you know, the clothing that he chose for these women is very conservative, covered up and pastels and all of their hair had to be in this weird French braid, you know, and they looked so the period wasn't.
00:43:09:10 - 00:43:14:05
Stacey/Dori
It doesn't even look period. It looks like they're in like another realm
00:43:14:05 - 00:43:19:00
Unknown
Oh. They.
00:43:19:00 - 00:43:35:16
Stacey/Dori
Can we visit the idea of Zion? Please. So, like that whole thing there were building Zion, continuing to build that. This guy could lie to them because he trained them to not know anything. So he could tell them anything. And they believe it. Anything.
00:43:35:18 - 00:44:04:06
Dr John
Okay, let's let's inform the audience that here's what's, and inform them and kind of give you an answer to that. Remember, they were feeling heat in Utah because there's a lot of indication that, you know, the law was going to come down on them and possibly raid them in Utah, which never happened. So Warren Jeffs figures I better get the hell out of here.
00:44:04:08 - 00:44:22:00
Dr John
So first he goes on this this, you know, he runs away and has this hedonistic journey, but he also figures we're going to move to another location. And they they carefully researched that Eldorado, Texas would be a great place to go.
00:44:22:02 - 00:44:23:01
Stacey/Dori
But El Dorado.
00:44:23:07 - 00:44:55:17
Dr John
Failed the raid. I'm sorry. But to answer your question, that was just a ruse. He creates the excuse for the, community that. Well, we're moving in. We're moving to Zion, where it's Paradise. Zion, I guess is, you know, like Paradise. And so that's the excuse he gave people. Why? Why should we move? Everything in our lives is just great.
00:44:55:17 - 00:45:05:08
Dr John
Warren Jeffs is our leader. We have everything we need. So why are we moving? Because we discovered Zion Paradise.
00:45:05:09 - 00:45:25:22
Stacey/Dori
And, well, in Paradise included extreme child labor as well. So, Zion was built on the backs of young boys who worked round the clock. And the young women, two who worked round the clock as well. All for free.
00:45:25:22 - 00:45:30:19
Dr John
so they build businesses, especially construction businesses.
00:45:30:20 - 00:45:32:14
Stacey/Dori
This is what I was going to say. So yeah.
00:45:32:16 - 00:46:11:18
Dr John
See, we're we're all psychic. They built businesses where they would build distribution sites and factories for our wonderful friends like Walmart and Amazon, and they could outbid other companies because they had no labor costs. They had their teenage boys building these, these things, and, they could outbid other companies. So, you know, our wonderful, good, ethical, responsible citizens of Walmart and Amazon, you know, also contributed to this whole thing.
00:46:11:23 - 00:46:12:06
Dr John
Yeah.
00:46:13:02 - 00:46:27:00
Speaker 1
Essentially, under Warren Jeffs, the FLDS would take over the businesses owned by its members, as well as the profits that those businesses generated.
00:46:27:02 - 00:46:29:16
Speaker 1
That was a lot of money.
00:46:29:18 - 00:46:45:15
Speaker 2
So Warren had enormous resources through all the companies which the church controlled. They have huge agricultural operations, manufacturing operations, construction, multi-level commercial buildings.
00:46:45:17 - 00:46:54:15
Speaker 1
And a lot of the customers for these FLDS businesses are no names. Walmart, Amazon.
00:46:54:17 - 00:47:26:20
Speaker 2
What gives the FLDS communities the edge is the fact that they have unlimited free labor through all the boys in the community. If they were good workers, Warren Jeffs, he'd keep them around. Because if you're a contractor, labor is half your cost. That's their edge over legitimate businesses. And so the church businesses literally bring in millions of dollars a month.
00:47:26:22 - 00:47:46:02
Speaker 2
I consider the FLDS the number one domestic human traffickers in the country. They have boys being transported on work crews all over the United States. And it's the same with girls, too.
00:47:47:06 - 00:48:06:22
Stacey/Dori
You know, what I was going to say is why when they were, you know, putting drones over there and like, looking to see what's going on, they're all like, we don't know what's happening out there, but there's something big going up. Like if, if why wasn't anybody curious? And also why did they excuse the FLDS? Like that's their stuff.
00:48:06:24 - 00:48:31:09
Stacey/Dori
You know what? You wouldn't say that to somebody. Like, I mean, oh, I forgot their business. I also forgot to say something to that I want to throw in there because there was the, there was the investigator who was a part of the story or a part of these, series. And there was also the reporter, and I'm just going to throw something, just little in that.
00:48:31:11 - 00:48:40:07
Stacey/Dori
The reporter used to be a real hunk of a hunk boy. Later in life. Not at all. That's all I wanted to say.
00:48:40:09 - 00:48:43:23
Dr John
Like jump out of that guy with the the long, wacky hair.
00:48:43:23 - 00:49:09:10
Stacey/Dori
And I loved him, I love him. He was younger. He's wonderful. But when he was younger, he was a looker. When they showed those clips of him, yeah, he was the same guy. But that's why that just triggered that thought. Because, yes, that the neighbors, don't we all find that though, in that rude when they're in town, by the way, we don't find that the one society that like neighbor like people, just people in general.
00:49:09:10 - 00:49:24:23
Stacey/Dori
We're all like, oh my. I mean, look at what's going on in our current climate right now in the US. And we're all like, you know, oh, this is going on. It's bad. It could be bad, but I don't want to get involved. I think that it comes, I.
00:49:24:23 - 00:49:27:14
Dr John
Think was epitomized by that young girl.
00:49:27:14 - 00:49:29:11
Stacey/Dori
And that's what I'm talking about.
00:49:29:13 - 00:49:34:17
Dr John
There was interviewed and she said, you know, that's the you know, they said.
00:49:34:19 - 00:49:35:05
Stacey/Dori
That's their.
00:49:35:07 - 00:49:44:20
Dr John
Keep these people. I have a polygamy going on and possible, you know, minors being.
00:49:44:22 - 00:49:46:14
Stacey/Dori
Married and pregnant.
00:49:46:15 - 00:49:56:02
Dr John
And, you know, that's their thing. You know, I don't I don't get involved in other people's lives. It's like, you're right, you know, that seems to be the case.
00:49:56:02 - 00:50:13:08
Stacey/Dori
She was a clown. That's his thing. Well, we're not to that. We're going to leave him alone. Let him be a clown. Yeah, I, I don't. Stacey, are you mentioning that did you start the new gay? So. Not yet. I haven't started the gay because I wanted it. I mean, not documentary. Sorry, it's not a documentary. It is just a it's a it's a gay special series.
00:50:13:09 - 00:50:33:15
Stacey/Dori
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The gay C is on my radar. And right now I'm watching the, Because you guys brought it up yesterday. The Aileen Wuornos. I'm sorry if I'm pronouncing your name wrong. The one that that monster that that Charlize Theron. Theron who I love starred in that movie. And are you breaking? Brilliant. Are you breaking news?
00:50:33:21 - 00:50:44:24
Stacey/Dori
Is that possibly going to be our next podcast? Because I can see. I know what's up. Well, John, you've got as our I.
00:50:45:02 - 00:50:47:20
Dr John
I always follow your leads, you know.
00:50:47:20 - 00:50:54:06
Stacey/Dori
So I think we go I think we do the Lorraine I or not Lorraine. Her name is not Lorraine. Her name is Amy.
00:50:54:06 - 00:50:55:16
Dr John
I said I get it.
00:50:55:18 - 00:51:00:03
Stacey/Dori
Yeah. He's doing it right. Yeah.
00:51:00:05 - 00:51:02:18
Dr John
And. Aileen. Aileen. Wardrobe.
00:51:02:21 - 00:51:04:01
Stacey/Dori
Aileen.
00:51:04:03 - 00:51:05:18
Dr John
What wore nos were.
00:51:05:18 - 00:51:13:12
Stacey/Dori
Not worn us. I was just breaking news making this podcast. Candy people that are follow us.
00:51:13:12 - 00:51:18:21
Unknown
Oh. They.
00:51:18:21 - 00:51:34:23
Dr John
to our current topic. I just want to call out because I know Stacey to call these people out as heroes and they are, the name of that reporter who was such a hunk when he was younger and got wacky, is wacky.
00:51:34:23 - 00:51:37:02
Stacey/Dori
Looking, not wacky. Is a person.
00:51:37:06 - 00:51:56:15
Dr John
No, no no no. The good point. His name is Randy Mann. Can. And the private investigator who was on Hound Dog, and this whole thing was in it from the beginning to the end, was Sam Bone. And these guys are.
00:51:56:15 - 00:52:11:12
Stacey/Dori
Those guys here, you know, good for them for just, you know, not being bystanders and, like, getting up there and, and and just, you know, calling it out. And now everybody can see it. There's still people in it, which goes to show that this thing is powerful culture.
00:52:11:14 - 00:52:23:21
Dr John
Now I have a correction here. You have a correction I have the correction. Wrong name. No can was the reporter and newspaper owner in the rainbow, Texas, who.
00:52:23:21 - 00:52:27:02
Stacey/Dori
Was all I know who year to that he was going to.
00:52:27:04 - 00:52:27:14
Dr John
You know.
00:52:27:14 - 00:52:29:17
Stacey/Dori
So who is the private investigator again.
00:52:29:19 - 00:52:33:03
Dr John
I oh, Mike, what case?
00:52:33:05 - 00:52:33:16
Stacey/Dori
Okay.
00:52:33:20 - 00:52:42:16
Dr John
Journalist and the hero. One of Stacy's heroes. We're going to start to call that segment Stacy Stacy's Heroes.
00:52:42:16 - 00:52:48:21
Stacey/Dori
I like it, Stacy's heroes. You know what? Do I get more? No, no, I want to.
00:52:48:23 - 00:52:50:09
Dr John
Get the who's the hottest.
00:52:50:10 - 00:52:57:03
Stacey/Dori
Who. But I don't have a corner. I don't have a separate. Now you're in in a corner. It's got a corner. Three story.
00:52:57:04 - 00:53:02:20
Dr John
Stacy Sinner who I who's who's the person in this episode? I would do.
00:53:02:22 - 00:53:27:09
Stacey/Dori
No, wait. So. So it's Stacy's superstars and Dory's dumb asses. So I like phrase dumbasses. It would be like Dory's not less. No, Dory's heartless trying to make a Deedee. Yeah. Dory's heartless. You know what? We should start a hotlist for Dory. The criminals and or people on the Pod Bandits episodes that we should reference.
00:53:27:09 - 00:53:29:00
Dr John
Stories hotlist this.
00:53:29:00 - 00:53:32:01
Stacey/Dori
Week. Dory's hotlist? Yeah, we always find something.
00:53:32:01 - 00:53:36:14
Dr John
Hotlist is, that's Warren Jeffs brother.
00:53:36:16 - 00:53:42:05
Stacey/Dori
This this week is Wallace. This episode is Wallace Jeffs on my hotlist. Yeah.
00:53:42:07 - 00:53:43:18
Dr John
Within the wall.
00:53:43:19 - 00:53:49:22
Stacey/Dori
And I don't need to be the 20th or 30th wife. I'm good, I'm good. Everybody.
00:53:49:24 - 00:53:55:24
Dr John
And the pinch hitter. When Wallace is not available would be Mike Watkins, the reporter.
00:53:56:01 - 00:53:57:03
Stacey/Dori
Back in the day.
00:53:57:06 - 00:53:59:15
Dr John
The young, the young Mike Watkins, the.
00:53:59:15 - 00:54:11:22
Stacey/Dori
Young Bucks let me time travel back to the young Mike Watkins. What is that like 1980 here in Chicago, Illinois that would like to do. Yeah. Young Mike Watkins.
00:54:11:24 - 00:54:12:16
Dr John
Hey, I think.
00:54:12:16 - 00:54:14:09
Stacey/Dori
I like his personality.
00:54:14:11 - 00:54:43:05
Dr John
I think I'm gonna chip into this conversation and see what your reactions are. This is a crazy thought that came to my head as I was watching the documentary. Warren Jeffs was unbelievably unappealing. For 80% of this documentary, as a young man, as a middle aged man. But I kind of thought as an older man and got kind of, you know, a little better looking.
00:54:43:07 - 00:54:45:02
Stacey/Dori
This grew into a slacks.
00:54:45:04 - 00:54:46:12
Dr John
Am I crazy?
00:54:46:14 - 00:54:59:24
Stacey/Dori
This is I'm sorry, but this is crazy. Like, this is like me saying I would do Aileen Wuornos. Spoiler alert, everybody. Our next up is, Okay, I get it.
00:55:00:00 - 00:55:05:20
Dr John
In that episode, I might. I have something to say. Just watch it.
00:55:05:22 - 00:55:19:16
Stacey/Dori
Wait, wait, wait. I just have to clarify this. Okay? Older Warren Jeffs from, like, where did you get prison? Oh, he's my stepdad. Look, human prisoner in the courtroom or courtroom in prison.
00:55:19:18 - 00:55:23:20
Dr John
I didn't I could have thought as an older man, he wasn't unattractive.
00:55:23:20 - 00:55:33:05
Stacey/Dori
Okay, doctor. John, look at that. Hit it. Oh, yeah. Courtroom. Warren Jeffs, everybody.
00:55:33:05 - 00:55:38:11
Unknown
Oh. They.
00:55:38:11 - 00:56:14:21
Stacey/Dori
Well, my final thought is, you know, FLDS is one of the most dystopian crazy, cults, but I find that I blp Scientology, regular Mormonism depending on what and and Orthodox Judaism are very similar. But for some reason this FLDS thing is insidious. So I don't know if it's like it's not that it's worse, it's just really deeply gross to me.
00:56:14:21 - 00:56:20:24
Dr John
Well, I don't I think those mainstream religions you talked about, they're not raping 12 year old.
00:56:21:01 - 00:56:46:05
Stacey/Dori
No, I just wasn't talking about mainstream religion. I was talking about Orthodox Judaism, you know, high sects and I was sects. It what people don't learn anything about women especially don't learn anything about sex. In any of these things I DLP which is the Duggars and all those, it's the same thing, but it's different. It's a different color and a different style, but it's the same thing.
00:56:46:07 - 00:57:16:10
Dr John
Into a bigger degree. You know, the amount of sexual grooming that went on and brainwashing is so far something we haven't seen yet in our podcasts. And it's maybe we will never see it at this scale. My finally back at the plagues me is what does it say about our societies and our communities where, for example, it took Texas twice to really come down on this the first time they put some pressure on and they raided.
00:57:16:10 - 00:57:46:17
Dr John
Thank you. I, I give some applause, but then they backed off to take it to the next level because of political and financial, I think pressure that, you know, we gotta, you know, we can lead these people on and then they it finally the evidence got so heinous, so horrible that they had to shut this thing down. But what does it say about us that it takes, you know, that it takes so much for us to stop this kind of evil in society.
00:57:46:19 - 00:58:06:14
Stacey/Dori
Why isn't Warren in isolation? Why isn't he in the shoe? Why is he able to talk to people and give them information? It's like they're letting him do it. He's still doing it from prison. Just like what's his name in, in, what's it called? The one with what's happened to me lately? Guys, you might need to get me a new brain.
00:58:06:14 - 00:58:18:20
Stacey/Dori
I might have to get severed. Next. Yeah. The next item called. He's in jail, and he's still, like, giving. Like he's still, like, touting his bullshit, right? I know that's so crazy.
00:58:18:20 - 00:58:30:12
Dr John
We have we have gang leaders in, in, jail and mob, mafia, figures that still run their organizations from jail. So this is nothing new in our jail population.
00:58:30:16 - 00:59:14:06
Stacey/Dori
Well, this is why I like, documentaries like this. That I hope that others also watch these, because it really does open your eyes. And I think the more we continue to speak out about these, hopefully, the more that maybe things will stop and change. And that is my hope. I'm just worried about Christian nationalism in general in the country and it becoming, you know, the evangelicals, you know, are becoming more powerful and bigger and like, what it like I said, these evangelicals make up all of those, you know, religions that I mentioned, including, what's that other one called?
00:59:14:06 - 00:59:27:08
Stacey/Dori
What's that place called? What's I love that you're like, what's this, what's that, what's this, what's that? I feel like I'm talking to my mother, Jody Goldman. Shout I know, I know. Well wait. Hold on.
00:59:27:08 - 00:59:29:06
Dr John
Shout out to Jody Goldman.
00:59:29:08 - 00:59:31:23
Stacey/Dori
Yeah. Who can't even form those questions
00:59:31:23 - 00:59:37:09
Unknown
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Unknown
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Unknown
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