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Where triathlon meets real talk. Hosted by two seasoned triathletes and one Sarah, this podcast takes a deep dive into the controversies, challenges, and triumphs of the triathlete world.
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Speaker 1
Welcome to another episode of the unfunded podcast. This is episode 34 with your host, professional triathlete Lachlan Jones, and my good friend Leighton Wall, also a professional triathlete. How are you going, mate? Living the dream. As usual. I got back into training this week. Oh, I know today. Oh, like yesterday. Yesterday I did my first, triathlon training.
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Speaker 1
Well, I mean, it's a bit of a weird. Obviously. We touched on last week. I, you've made the conversion to a higher rock star. Yeah, I'm a hybrid. I'm a hybrid boxer. Well, I'm not yet. Actually, I haven't finished it, but, Yeah, halfway through my break, I thought it would be a good idea to jump into that race.
00;00;39;09 - 00;00;59;27
Speaker 1
So it's my first proper session for the first proper week back. So proper aerobics training? Yes. The thing that I actually get paid to do. Yeah. My job first week back doing that. But, body is walking sore. Is that from the training, like triathlon training or the rock star training for the rock star training? I will be taking it all.
00;00;59;28 - 00;01;22;11
Speaker 1
Yeah, I'm going to be completely honest. I so, so, so underestimated how hard this is going to be. And I, I do want to apologize if I've offended any hybrid rocks. You've offended all of them all. Every single one of these hybrid rock stars you have offended. You've come in and said, I'm going to go in. I'm going to win it.
00;01;22;13 - 00;01;43;21
Speaker 1
I'm the best. Look, look, look shifty. I'm way more aerobics fit than you guys. I still believe in corking. Yeah, that's probably fair enough. I can shift the exact same amount of tin. I can be a bit slower, I can shift. Yep. True. But I'm still going to win. All of that is true. I just am not as confident with the winning part, though.
00;01;43;21 - 00;02;02;11
Speaker 1
Okay, so I did. On Sunday I did my first, simulation of hierarchies. Obviously you go to race prep. Race prep, just like just like anybody would actually do in triathlon. I thought, you know, I'll do a bit of a simulation. So I didn't do as much running because I thought, that's not really black. My weakness here, mind you, I'm coming off two weeks of training.
00;02;02;11 - 00;02;22;26
Speaker 1
So like I obviously also underestimated how much two weeks of not doing anything was going to cost me. And a week of sickness coming from Korea. So I've really, really put myself in. I'm hearing excuses. No, no, no, no, I'm still really good and I'm still going to do it back in yourself. So I will, I don't know, back myself to win.
00;02;22;29 - 00;02;46;22
Speaker 1
Like, okay, I want to get I would like to still compete. I would I'd be very ashamed if I go there and get fucking demolished. Okay. I want to go there and steal. That's just like a natural racing instinct. Yeah, yeah. You want that, right? Exactly. And I think because, like, you're back yourself, my job is also to be a competitor and like to race in to like again, I've got nine kilometers of running.
00;02;46;24 - 00;03;13;26
Speaker 1
I still back myself there. But after doing the high rock sim on the weekend, honestly, I've never experienced muscle fatigue quite like this and everybody in our training squad has said to me as well, like you does this. It's all running, it's all running. Going to a higher oxygen. Hahahahaha! And you all are. You've backtracked already. You will all realize what I realized on Sunday that fuck it is so, so hard.
00;03;13;26 - 00;03;31;23
Speaker 1
Like I got to. I didn't pace myself at all. So obviously I've gone out of people into my ego. Ego got, you know, hold of me and just we ran amok for the first sort of two workouts. And I did like the I did the first two workouts and then it did okay, probably like 3 or 5, three, ten pace because of my threshold.
00;03;31;23 - 00;03;48;26
Speaker 1
Yeah, you can do that. Easy. Felt really easy for the first one. Got in during the sled pull I got the sled pulled to about 30m and I literally couldn't move it any more. It was so far. Do you have to sled pull 50? So I've got to get it another 20m. So only thing that made me like we were pulling it on concrete.
00;03;48;26 - 00;04;06;08
Speaker 1
So it's a bit it's harder isn't it. On astroturf. It's on astroturf. So it's obvious it's going to slide a bit easier, but still didn't help me in my confidence there. Jumped on the floor, felt good. Did the run. Didn't feel great, but it came back. Did the other two exercises and my god, the last two days of the run.
00;04;06;10 - 00;04;15;07
Speaker 1
You hit a wall, did you? Yeah. Oh, yeah. This is it's not it's it's not tricky. Now. Signs on point.
00;04;15;10 - 00;04;37;10
Speaker 1
So do you think you'll be able to maintain a solid pace throughout the runs I think. Or do you think you drop off to like. So we calculated wasn't it about they run around 343 4350. And if you lose around 30s and exercise you have to run around a 310. Yeah. So you drop to around a 341. You're out of that.
00;04;37;10 - 00;04;54;21
Speaker 1
I don't think I will. So what I found is that I was doing it with another, so I CrossFit athlete. Yeah. And we did the skier and we both finished at the same time. Okay. So I, my ego obviously got ahead of me because like we did, that is the first exercise. I'm fresh, I'm feeling good. I'm doing the ski, and we finish at the same time.
00;04;54;21 - 00;05;15;19
Speaker 1
And I thought that was my first mistake. I should have let him get 1015 20s ahead of me and then run and then run him down. Yeah. Where? And then running at 310 will be a lot easier after an easier ski. Okay. Yeah. So I'll have to just. Except they're better than me at the exercises. You've got to come through in the run.
00;05;15;19 - 00;05;29;22
Speaker 1
You have to play to your strengths. Play to my strengths, where I let my ego get the better of me. And I tried to match him well, I just have to accept they are very good at what they do there. And I'm good at what I do, okay. And it's just complete opposite. So it's going to be a game of cat and mouse, hopefully.
00;05;29;28 - 00;05;52;19
Speaker 1
Okay, until I blow and I'm going to be doing exercise. Yeah. The wall balls. You'll be craving A3000 on as I, I got two. I think I did 50 just over 50 and we wanted to finish. I'd have to do 100. Oh I got 250 and my hammies. Yeah. Cramping up. And I was like, you know that's a good first name.
00;05;52;19 - 00;06;09;01
Speaker 1
We'll call there. Yeah. That was not done. Well, there was also my people in the gym as well. And I didn't want to embarrass them, so I thought I'd advise them or yourself myself. Okay. Yeah. That's better. Anyway, my, my hybrid rockstar training is definitely. I'm taking a big swing for the worst, and I'm going to be eating my words in two weeks.
00;06;09;02 - 00;06;28;18
Speaker 1
Or I could make a glamorous comeback. Okay, I'm back trying to now, so hopefully these, like, two more weeks of conditioning, a bit of aerobics, fitness. Me still in the gym doing this? Yeah, I'm still doing my hybrid rockstar training. I kind of spoke to my coach and she was like, look, do you two weeks just build back into like, the triathlon training for the next two weeks, do your gym stuff.
00;06;28;18 - 00;06;48;04
Speaker 1
So I've obviously like, I was in the gym yesterday, did my strength workout. I'll go to the gym after this, do more like my circuit works. I still got like my two week plan. So who's coaching you for the, Horrocks? I've got a, gym coach that's just, like, just mutual. Yeah. Just helping you out. Yeah, just like with some of the movements and stuff like that.
00;06;48;04 - 00;07;03;13
Speaker 1
So I want to go in there and I want I do. I've obviously only given myself just under four weeks to get ready. So like three weeks essentially get ready for this. So nowhere near as much time. But I like to think I'm conditioned enough just from trying to get through it. Yeah. So I mean our race isn't it?
00;07;03;15 - 00;07;18;10
Speaker 1
Yeah. But man, it's scary. I'm so scared because like, it's not like a triathlon, but like, if I'm up there only get a puncture if I can't do something like you can just kind of like, not that this would ever happen, but you're up the road away from all the crowd. You can probably talk to the. So I'm like, walk home.
00;07;18;10 - 00;07;38;22
Speaker 1
Yeah. Where, where in a stadium. And if I'm on like the sled or something, you're blowing like hands over the head. Yeah. Time in the deep one. Yeah. People are watching every. And I'm in the pro men. Everyone's watching this one. So I literally can't because like like a little boy I compared to that. Yeah I know it's like you're going to be gone from like I look like one of the big guys in the trial circuit.
00;07;38;22 - 00;07;56;23
Speaker 1
I'm gonna look so, so small. Only good thing is, I think a lot of these guys are really small. I say short, short. But my God, they got condensed like a hundred kilos. Yeah, 100 kilos, but just like five foot five. Yeah, yeah. Do that. Do drug testing at all. No. And that's the other thing. That's the other I'm skeptical that I know, I know.
00;07;56;23 - 00;08;17;06
Speaker 1
So like they, they haven't introduced that into I think maybe like the elite 15 races they do but not these pro not these pro races. So okay, in my head if someone's beating it's like you're on the juice. Clearly. Yeah you're clearly on. So is there a different category from the. So what is the code like. Elite 15 I think they might have like it's like the majors.
00;08;17;06 - 00;08;41;02
Speaker 1
I think they might have like six races where it's the elite 15. Okay. I think Melbourne might be one of them. So I think there might be an elite 15 race here. I'm not 100% sure, but yeah, I actually yeah, this World Triathlon bought out spa rocks. So that's for the Ironman. Did or did they. And they're trying to bring in higher rocks into the multisport category of World Triathlon.
00;08;41;03 - 00;09;01;26
Speaker 1
Okay, I almost am thinking higher rocks could be in the next Olympics. It was like, CrossFit that kind of had a bit of hype and then never really got anywhere. Yeah, but it's just so big right now. Yeah. I mean, it's like surf lifesaving. So it could come in. I mean, rock climbing has mean that bloody breakdancing was at the Olympics.
00;09;01;26 - 00;09;16;21
Speaker 1
A lot of these sports come in for one games and then they go, yeah, what do they call it? It's kind of it's kind of like an event that just sort of fits the mold of the host country. Yeah. So like, surf lifesaving will probably be in Brisbane. Yeah. Because it's Australia. It's fit, but then it'll be gone.
00;09;16;21 - 00;09;35;27
Speaker 1
Yeah. Next time it's in Germany in the middle of somewhere where there's no beach, anywhere near, like a landlocked country like Lithuania or something like that. Never heard of surf lifesaving. Yeah. What's this thing? Yeah. Anyway, yeah, that's my job. Rockstar training. How's your actual triathlon training going into it? Yeah, it's carving up the pool this morning.
00;09;35;28 - 00;09;55;12
Speaker 1
Oh, was I thanks you like the line? I was. Oh, yeah, I was so on. Had to I wasn't I definitely wasn't. Nah it's gone. Well Yeah. Just been taken away actually gained a little bit of consistency in I can finally actually back on the injury front start running full continuous runs. So that's pretty good. How long?
00;09;55;15 - 00;10;16;09
Speaker 1
I'm up to 40 minutes. Are you running 40 minutes today? Yeah. Well, yeah. Pretty good. So, Yeah, actually everything's gone. Well, just cruising around, I feel like it again. Like we said, it's kind of a bit of a lull this time of year, especially in the triathlon world. You know, not much is going on. We're just, you know, we kind of start taking through.
00;10;16;11 - 00;10;35;16
Speaker 1
Yeah, we spoke about that. It is just this happens. You kind of have it's kind of like getting through to December where a lot of events kind of happen and then, you know, you go home for Christmas. That's kind of what we're waiting for. Well, that's what I'm waiting for. Everybody's waiting to just go home, finish work, and then have a bit of fun a couple weeks and then move back into it, gather again.
00;10;35;16 - 00;10;54;17
Speaker 1
I think it was really good. And, obviously, a lot of a lot of countries have this like, I know, the US that have a podium, project podium or podium project, all of the British sort of centers, they have a lot of, like Leeds, Loughborough, Cardiff. Yeah. I think bath might have won a lot of those sort of.
00;10;54;19 - 00;11;18;13
Speaker 1
They're all associated with university, but they've all got their High-Performance squads sort of that are run by the national federation. And I think it's good. Obviously coming into the Australian, team that we've produced, the new academy. Yeah. And, I think that's a really good obviously you and I both in that and we've just had 1st of December.
00;11;18;14 - 00;11;33;27
Speaker 1
It was like, this is the kick off date. Yeah. So I think that's relation. Yeah. This is how it's going to move forward. I think it's it's good to say yeah I think it's really important to have that. And I guarantee you like any of the I know, I know the British or the British centers have it, I'm sure the Americans I know the French are really strict on that.
00;11;33;27 - 00;11;49;19
Speaker 1
Like, this is our point where we all come back together and we all go, all right, we're back. It's business time to start getting ready. Yeah, that was kind of. And I said to us, it was January back in. It's like it was you're back in the center at that time, which was I thought that was cool to say.
00;11;49;19 - 00;12;06;25
Speaker 1
It's like everyone's back. This is where it kicks off. Like kicks off. Now we're building back. Everyone's coming off season, then we're into it. Bang. First week if Jan if you start it feels like a job then which is good. But like obviously there's the fun aspect to it. But like what we do triathlon has to be a job.
00;12;06;25 - 00;12;21;27
Speaker 1
Like you have to think of it as a job. So like with yeah, like you said, we had the 1st of December. We come back, we'll all start building together, go home for a little bit. But in the back of our minds, we all know 5th of January. That's when testing start, testing starts. Boom. We're back into it.
00;12;21;27 - 00;12;43;08
Speaker 1
Yeah. Exactly right. That that was something cool that happened August. Exactly. This week. Exactly. Again, we're back on to another topic. Yep. I think the educational base is people. Really? Yeah. That we've got a pretty good feedback. Going back to our roots of, you know, our first 20 episodes. So, I mean, yeah, there's not much happening in the triathlon world.
00;12;43;08 - 00;13;07;10
Speaker 1
This is probably our second last episode for the year. Yeah, we're planning a pretty big surprise. Yeah. So next year will build back as as we do with training. We will back the podcast and, build from there. But yeah, this week our number one investment. Yeah. What are the best investments for triathlon either as an age group I guess it's related to any kind of, ability in triathlon.
00;13;07;15 - 00;13;22;27
Speaker 1
You could be, you know, the best of the best or just an age group, knocking about, you know, you like to travel. I feel like there's there's definitely, out of all of these things that we talked about today, there's going to be some that are really good for pro, some that are really good for age group, and some that are combined for like essential for both.
00;13;22;27 - 00;13;37;03
Speaker 1
Yeah, I think there's a lot of misconception on like what I need to have and I see it as a coach myself. Like people go, I need this, I need that, I need that. And it's like, because there's just marketing and there's so many people like this person has that. And it's like, you know, the grass is always greener on the other side.
00;13;37;03 - 00;13;54;04
Speaker 1
It's like, let's just sort of sit down and go, what's a necessity? What's a luxury? What's you know what and what's actually going to get you faster. Because at the end of the day, we all want to be faster. You want good results. Eat your time. Yeah. Have fun, good results. And that's what makes it fun, I guess.
00;13;54;04 - 00;14;14;18
Speaker 1
Yeah. So number one, number one, we're just going through, random list. Realistically, this is what we can agree. This is, this is probably our number one. Yeah. And it's coaching. Yeah. So a good coach or they might not be the most scientific or the best coach, you know, in the coaching sphere, but a coach that works for you.
00;14;14;19 - 00;14;35;27
Speaker 1
Yeah, I think is the biggest number one investment that you need to make. Yeah 100%. And we like we say it people drop thousands of dollars on trying to buy their way to be fast. I need a new bike. I need a new pair of running shoes. I need this latest gadget. Whatnot. The foundation and the core of what makes a good athlete tick is a good coach.
00;14;35;27 - 00;15;09;19
Speaker 1
That one. They believe in their philosophy, and they believe in sort of their process as a coach. And to the coach works well with the athlete and obviously we all have things that go on, you know, outside of life. And we all have different personalities and who we interact well and who we don't interact well with. And the relationship between a coach and an athlete is so vital to how the athlete is able to perform and how well that coach can do their job and I think that comes to why a coach is probably the best investment.
00;15;09;21 - 00;15;30;27
Speaker 1
It allows for the consistency. If you have a coach that understands you and your schedule, let's say you're an age could be working 9 to 5, you're not going to program them as yourself. Lucky coach a bloody two hour ride during the middle of the day like it's not going to work. So consistency through that coach, I think is the best investment that you can make 100%.
00;15;30;29 - 00;15;49;28
Speaker 1
So that's our that's our number one. I think this is in no particular order. Yeah I think as well like with a coach especially like we see it again like obviously just going back to the coaching program that we have, but it's so much easier for especially if this is a not just an online coach, but a coach that you can go and be a part of a training environment.
00;15;49;29 - 00;16;19;15
Speaker 1
Yeah. Like we have an age group, program, the way coaching and how the biggest feedback we get every time is an age group athlete coming in. And again, they work their 9 to 5 like they have their job. And motivation can run real low in the age group, saying, especially if you've had a really hard day at work or if you, if you've got kids and the kids are pissing you off or, you know, the waffle, the husbands, you know, nagging you, whatever it is like, sometimes it's super hard to get out the door and go for that run or especially go for the swim.
00;16;19;15 - 00;16;39;08
Speaker 1
Nobody listening, but get to the pool and do that swim. But if there's a coach on deck and you know that there's going to be 10 to 15 other athletes sort of, doing the same thing, we're all in the same boat. It makes it easier for us as well. Exactly. It's pros correlates exactly the same. It doesn't matter whether you're in a professional squad or just the age group squad.
00;16;39;08 - 00;16;53;28
Speaker 1
And it's they become your mates. Yeah, that's a big thing. Yeah. Like a good coach creates good environment as well. Exactly. You want that. You want you want the environment. You want the coach and the coaches ahead of that. Yeah. Environment. And it just makes it easy for you to get out the door. I know what I'm doing.
00;16;53;28 - 00;17;10;26
Speaker 1
I don't have to think about it even though. Yeah. You should think about what you're doing. Yeah. But it's like okay, I'll leave it up to the coach they know best, and we'll go with that. Yeah. Cut all of the stress out of any kind of triathlon. And are other stresses in life exactly. Use it as therapy. Yeah.
00;17;10;26 - 00;17;32;24
Speaker 1
Training as therapy. Next one kind of similar to like coaching and training, but, training camps, they obviously are a bit of an extra expense on top of your day to day training. And this is probably more so if you're taking it a little bit more seriously. Like, we obviously look at training camps and it's something that we would sort of look at doing, either mid-season, big base blocks.
00;17;32;24 - 00;17;53;23
Speaker 1
So if you're doing a mid season block, if you're doing a pre-season block, sort of whatever it is, usually you're trying to get a big base or trying to do something specific in these pre-season or during season training, saving camps, I guess. This also goes hand in hand with another, topic we'll talk about, which is races.
00;17;53;25 - 00;18;21;18
Speaker 1
I think training camps are good for the right person and at the right time. That's the only thing with a training camp you can't do them are expensive. Yeah, they do like they cost a lot of money. And that time away from other things that you could be working on because there is stuff outside of triathlon. The thing with, I believe training camps, especially in Australia, I feel as if training camps are great outside of Australia where you can go to an altitude.
00;18;21;18 - 00;18;42;01
Speaker 1
We don't have great altitude in Australia and it's ultra expensive like we've looked in our tube camp this year, I think for Granite Falls Creek and it was mega. Yeah, I think so. Maybe if it's free weight, I think for three weeks we're almost looking at like it was like 3 or 4 grand, 3 or 4 grand, which is and that was, that was with something sort of like subsidized as well.
00;18;42;01 - 00;19;12;08
Speaker 1
Like some things are going to be paid for as well. So like if you were to not have a backing of a federation, you're looking at five, five, five, six. Yeah. Which is you can use that money and a lot like you can invest that money through training camp by staying at home. And just as bad as it sounds or like as cliche as it sounds, locking in at higher, you know, creating a nice environment and you create that with your coach at home where you can the ease of, going to training, going to work, you know, eating, sleeping, recovering.
00;19;12;08 - 00;19;46;16
Speaker 1
You can do that at home if you make it easy for yourself, like organization through a coach. I think that's almost like the the basis of what a training camp is. You're going away from a home environment where there really are the distractions of work, social life, whatnot, and you're literally, like you said, the cliche saying you're locking in for three weeks where I've been on plenty of training camps in my time, whether it's been altitude, whether it's been, you know, just a literal training block in a different part of the world or a different part of the country, and you wake up, you have your breakfast, you get ready for the session, you do
00;19;46;16 - 00;20;04;22
Speaker 1
the session, you come back and you do that for every single session. Yeah. You go to bed at the end of the day and you don't do anything but train, eat, sleep. Yeah. And literally I feel as if the gains are pretty big. Huge. Like because you can just sit there and do nothing else, there's no distractions. And you look at the Norwegians and they're always on a training camp.
00;20;04;22 - 00;20;40;22
Speaker 1
They their life is a training. Yeah. So and they actually talked about it last night in the program meeting and they said pretty much it's a sleep train. Repeat. Yeah. No true camp. Leave the simple. Yeah. Leave the simple life of an athlete. And that's the beauty of a training camp is probably more catered towards like an age group who, let's say, maybe gets four weeks of holiday a year and they really want to lock in for an event and they go down to Falls Creek or whatever, and then they gonna race an Ironman wherever I think that's probably great if they can Skype the actual race.
00;20;40;22 - 00;21;00;12
Speaker 1
Yeah. Of life. There must be like a really serious age group. But if you've got four weeks of holiday, you choose to go to the training camp. Oh my God, I would never. So there's a couple pages, 100% of the people that are spending their four weeks off to go into a training camp hug, have said, I would love it, I would, he would love it, but I gotta go.
00;21;00;13 - 00;21;18;19
Speaker 1
I don't know if you like the end of that, but I guess again, like when it's for us, when it's our job, like they're leaving their job to go and do what is our job. Yeah, our life up here is besides our distractions of work. Yeah, it's pretty much a training camp. Yeah, we do live the we do simple life.
00;21;18;22 - 00;21;37;01
Speaker 1
Alrighty. Now we're to the next thing. We're looking at all the data, toys, the data toys, the data toys we call them all our woops. The aura rings, galactic meetings, the, metabolic testing, all that good stuff. Do you? How many how important do you think is all this? Because you're a bit on edge with this sort of stuff.
00;21;37;06 - 00;21;54;19
Speaker 1
Yeah. See, I feel as if they're great if you know how to use the data and if you're going to use the data consistently, I feel as if a lot of people will use it like it's a new it is literally a new toy. Yeah, it's a new toy. I get it, I look at it, it's nice and shiny.
00;21;54;19 - 00;22;09;20
Speaker 1
I wear my workbench for a couple of weeks. You get to put your stuff on Instagram. It's just more it's more of a, social media sort of like. Like it's a flex. It's a flex. It's a lot of a flex. Oh, look, I've got my rings at 93% recovery. Yeah, but how consistently are you going to use that data.
00;22;09;20 - 00;22;30;08
Speaker 1
Interpret that data to tailor to your program. Yeah I mean I'm not going to say many coaches are don't think going oh your sleep score is a bit low this week. Let's, you know, cut off an hour of riding or whatever. However you going to interpret that data I think the right coach would and I think the right right coach that's a lot of time.
00;22;30;08 - 00;22;46;23
Speaker 1
Yeah. I don't I think you feel like if you have the right coach and if you're in again, this might be one of those ones where it's like a high performance, high performance athlete in an age group athlete or in two different. But yeah, a high performance athlete. Yes. Because they're taken off all the one percenters and the coaches literally paid the big bucks to.
00;22;46;25 - 00;23;05;03
Speaker 1
Yeah, look at, look at. And I only have about 15 to 20 people. Yeah. We were we were told yesterday like there's some things that are essential and like we want to be tracking everything and your heart. Yeah. Right I agree. So you're training tools let's say your power meter. Yeah. That's a bit of a different one.
00;23;05;03 - 00;23;25;23
Speaker 1
But I would say that's an essential I would say it's an essential as well. But like a wolf, I don't think I need to see my recovery score every day when I wake up either, because I feel different. I feel as if that can change your psychology to a. But you can go one of two ways. It can be really beneficial, I believe.
00;23;25;23 - 00;23;48;27
Speaker 1
So let's say you have a coach that adjusts all of your training. You have a big week of work in you fatigued changes, you're trying to be easier and you don't go into a whole or you have or I'm tired or I can't do this training and I never get that training done. So you never actually meeting the demands when you need to do a massive volume block, you're going to be bloody tired.
00;23;49;00 - 00;24;08;13
Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah, Harvey's probably going to drop all of those little things, but you just have to get it done. Yeah. See I'm like, yeah, I'm so tired. It's. But I'm exactly the same. I'm like, because I think I would go for it. But then skeptical at the same time, I would wear it. How much do we need to deep dive into it?
00;24;08;13 - 00;24;26;24
Speaker 1
I think I would almost go like, yeah, I'm tired. My recovery school is not good. What should I do? I should probably rest, but I'm going to go to a 5.5 hour ride. Well, exactly right. But then again, like, we have the then maybe it's rest around the training. Yeah, exactly. Still do the training but then figure out ways to rest more around that.
00;24;26;24 - 00;24;42;06
Speaker 1
Yeah. Yeah. So maybe not go out for the coffee after the ride and sit at the cafe for an hour. Go straight home, go to bed. That's my favorite thing. But yeah. Okay. I guess it's circumstantial, really. Like, if you, if you have the money and it's. And it's something that you like, you think you want to deep dive in.
00;24;42;06 - 00;24;57;09
Speaker 1
It's not, you know, you got to break the bank, go for it. But you know, I don't know. We'll we'll leave it. We'll we'll leave the decision up to. Yeah. When we, when we go through them one by one after, what about the lactate testing? So, yeah, I think it's so important for me. That's a I agree with the metabolic testing.
00;24;57;09 - 00;25;14;10
Speaker 1
I think a VO2 max test is great. Maybe you could do that once a year, maybe once every two years. You know, agents do it all the time. Yeah. I preach this all the time. I think like I personally want to go in and do some more lactate testing and that kind of stuff. So I think that's really cool data to have.
00;25;14;11 - 00;25;33;21
Speaker 1
Yeah. And take that and know how to use it for your training. I've probably said this, God knows how many times on the podcast that it's since since learning it, probably back in like 2022. I think like joining the kind of squad that I was in. I've preached that like this just takes the guesswork out of everything, you know, going like, oh, what am I doing?
00;25;33;24 - 00;26;00;23
Speaker 1
You know, oh, we're going at 80% today. What is 80%? 80% of what, 80% of your threshold? 80% a race. But it's just 80% like, no, like when we are in the professional scene and like even, you know, honestly, even for like the age group as I coach, like when I'm trying to like we have them do not not really specific galactic testing, but we we still get them doing like a 30, like 20, 30 minute FTP test just so we can have some like rough numbers on like what what they can do, what you can and can't do.
00;26;00;23 - 00;26;18;29
Speaker 1
I just think it's so important to take the guesswork out of everything. And like like perceived effort is great changes like, but it does change. So it's like you're never getting accurate. So you might feel like, you know, you running an eight is a eight out of ten. Perceived effort might feel like 331 day, then it might feel like 310 the next.
00;26;18;29 - 00;26;40;24
Speaker 1
So it's like it's so variable. So if we have data specific numbers that we can work out every single day, then it's more consistent training. Yeah. So for me huge necessity. Cool. We're going into the equipment. Yeah. So this is probably where it can get out of hand. This is definitely where it gets at. This is the big spending you know kind of area.
00;26;40;24 - 00;26;59;02
Speaker 1
It's not the flashy sort of like like the like what we just spoke about then like the little widgets and whatnot. This is kind of like the bigger the bigger the big picture things, the things that you actually need for triathlon. So you can have a, you can have a $400 bike and you can have a $20,000 bike.
00;26;59;02 - 00;27;22;11
Speaker 1
Yeah. It's like, what level DNA though. Yeah. Exactly. Okay. So we're going into the power meter. I think that's essential. They're an expensive tool to get. But I think for your training I would never look back. Oh I'm going to say it's dependent essential for us non-essential for age group. It's dependent there because like I've got quite a few athletes that don't have it.
00;27;22;11 - 00;27;37;26
Speaker 1
We just golf hot right data. Yeah. So I was like again, depending on depending on your needs or requirements and depending on I, it can be like you said it can be expensive. So like some people don't fork out a thousand. Yeah I dollars for it. But yes for us we both have them. They're essential. Yeah. Okay.
00;27;37;26 - 00;27;58;05
Speaker 1
Here's another one. The kicker, the indoor trainer. I fucking hate the kicker. Say, I knew this is where would butt heads hate it? I don't like riding on it. You're lying every second, right on the cue. But it is an essential for me. No, it's an essential. It's not. I hate going out. Give me one reason why I need to do a kicker on finishing work.
00;27;58;05 - 00;28;14;26
Speaker 1
I hate finishing work. At 3:00. I can get home at 330, jump straight on the kicker and ride for an hour and a half. And I don't have to go to Gold Coast traffic. You know that is school traffic. You know that is the mindset thing. Yeah, but I don't want to get hit. That's a mindset thing right there.
00;28;14;28 - 00;28;32;18
Speaker 1
You could go I know as you live, you go at Springbrook right at the top of Springbrook and back. Yes. Pain the you've just got to get through Roubaix 100m elevation. That's a mindset thing. Fuck that. You're pussy. Get out of the right, you know, race on the kicker. God, I'd. There's eight games now. Nah, that's going to be does nothing.
00;28;32;18 - 00;28;55;12
Speaker 1
We come around. I have been riding on less so I could honestly cycling. Alfred came out and I still ride out in the rain. You still on something? Yeah. Yeah, exactly. That was different. Is different. I was not my fault. Okay. The carbon shoes. Obviously essential for racing. Yeah, obviously for racing. But if I say one more fucking person training in carbon shoes, running along the sport.
00;28;55;12 - 00;29;14;01
Speaker 1
I saw someone the other day walking from coffee in their carbon shoes. They went for a walk to the cafe in carbon shoes. I was like, you are kidding. I think we need to start, writing permits. I think you need to get something. You need to get a permit. It's almost like a license. Yeah. You can. Yeah.
00;29;14;01 - 00;29;33;25
Speaker 1
License again. Listen, you need to have a gun license. We have car licenses. We need to have carbon licenses. Because if you, wearing a pair of Nike Alpha flies to just stroll down Burnley fucking Esplanade to the nearest coffee shop just because they look cool, because they're so pink up above your ass. Honestly, I'm sick of it.
00;29;34;01 - 00;29;56;17
Speaker 1
Yep. Shogi did not run a sub two hour marathon so that you can walk to the coffee shop. Be quick, fuck off. I'm not having it. I'm not having it. There wasn't all this innovation for you to get the cash like the best. The best sports scientist in the world did not develop these perfect, flexible, bouncy shoes for running at three minute K.
00;29;56;17 - 00;30;18;00
Speaker 1
So quick, quicker. These generational shoes that like, just the my Man on the moon kind of stuff. Yeah, yeah. Just for you to get you a fucking hotel walking. Be quicker. I'm off it. Yeah. It's obviously essential for the right time. Yeah, for racing, for racing. Although in insane that I did do my Sunday high rock session in my car, and, I was gonna ask.
00;30;18;03 - 00;30;31;24
Speaker 1
Surely not. So I had a video. I had a video made on the high rock session, and I didn't post it purely because I had my high. Right. Yeah, you've got cast. All the boys would have absolutely fed. Do I look good? That's on. I still post, but we'll say are you going to wear them for the event?
00;30;31;24 - 00;30;48;10
Speaker 1
Fucking I think are they good under like weight lifting. No. Yeah. They're shit. They're so unstable on the hotspot. And you don't get too off topic with the higher ups again, but it's the grip. Yeah. Trying to find something that I'm okay. So I think you need a medium shoe. We were talking about this stuff, right? Need something like a,
00;30;48;13 - 00;31;08;22
Speaker 1
What's. It's a fly or something like that. Something with carbon hot light on. What does a spider. It's just fox with some 40V. Yeah, 45 is honestly probably best. All right, what about the Dunlop Volleys? I think that'd be pretty good. I probably would be, Okay. Wetsuits and swim skins. These are obviously very variable on how much you can spend.
00;31;08;26 - 00;31;30;04
Speaker 1
Yeah. What about a top T? Wetsuit versus like a mid range? Personally, I'm a mid range wetsuit guy. Mid-range as well. Honestly, I don't think you need. I don't think you need to spend $1,500 on a wetsuit. I don't I honestly, I've worn like some cheap shit wetsuits before and come out. Yeah in the exact same.
00;31;30;04 - 00;31;50;27
Speaker 1
Just do more swim training. Just honestly the sunshine is more important. Yeah. Get yourself get yourself a coach. Yeah. Go back to the coaching I honestly, I like I said, I've not really experienced the difference between wearing. I've worn some really high quality like really good ones before and I felt no different. Yeah I think just mid tier you know not not the bottom tier depends on how much you want to spend.
00;31;50;27 - 00;32;12;25
Speaker 1
But just a good mid tier wetsuit. Just getting everything reliable. Exactly. Aero helmet. This doesn't really apply to us racing short course, but in long course I think it's an essential I don't know, I don't, you know, again, I think this is the balance. The science tells you that it's way quicker. I think it's depending again LA yes, obviously.
00;32;12;25 - 00;32;29;06
Speaker 1
But like some of the ones that are coming out now are getting out of hand. Yeah that's true I like the proper sperm I don't but they're not even just like sleek around the face the 30cm outside of the head. Now. Yeah. Have you seen Happy Islands? I do watch Happy Island stuff. Nah. Have you seen the big hat that he wears?
00;32;29;08 - 00;32;52;12
Speaker 1
He wears these, like, oversize hat. Yeah, right. It looks like that. Okay. It looks like Big head. Well, I mean, it's a bit of a bad reference because you don't get it, but, like, it's just to understand the s-works one, the specialized ones that have come out, so, so big. But imagine crashing in it. So you're, you go down, they hit, you bang your head, and I cannot shift your head.
00;32;52;13 - 00;33;15;26
Speaker 1
I don't know, you'd probably break your neck the way you'd fling off. Honestly, if you corner too much, you might actually start scrapping the helmet on you. Dude, it's not big. It's like you said, the center of gravity is your head. Yeah. That point, I don't know. I'm getting out of hand. Look, again, back to the back to the point I think elite racing obviously essential because this is marginal gains that you need to win age group.
00;33;15;28 - 00;33;39;03
Speaker 1
Just get a fucking helmet that's comfy. Yeah I agree position. Essential. Block fit. Essential essential essential essential. Pro to beginner. Get yourself a good bike fit by a professional 100%. They get your angles right in and goes. You played angles, everything. Because if you go on a bike, you have to feel good on it and prevents injury.
00;33;39;03 - 00;34;02;03
Speaker 1
And it also it also, what am I trying to look for? It also helps with the rest of the race. Yeah. So like if you are riding in an uncomfortable position or something that might be, you know, you might be extending your leg a little bit to, along at the bottom of the pedal stroke. Yeah. You're straining the hammies then, and all of a sudden you're running off and you've got super tight hammies because you've just overused them for the loss.
00;34;02;03 - 00;34;19;14
Speaker 1
If you're doing an Ironman 180 K or 90 K, you're going to get off and you're going to be cramping. Yeah. Like it's just it's going to ruin the rest of your race. Exactly. It could be injuries like whatnot anything super essential. So that's super essential. Yeah. Nutrition and recovery. Yeah I think this is up there with the coach.
00;34;19;17 - 00;34;43;07
Speaker 1
Oh you reckon. Yeah 100% if you don't have good nutrition and recovery. Is that what's the point of doing your training if you don't have any good nutrition or recovery. You're not absorbing, you're not going to grow and better yourself. Is this a bias standpoint from a dietitian, though? Yes and no. Because I feel as if this is drummed into us at an early age.
00;34;43;08 - 00;35;06;16
Speaker 1
I'm playing devil's advocate here. Yeah, I you all right? No, it isn't okay. Because even before I started, like, my dad takes the grain wanting to do that as a career, I think that it was always dramedy being like, if you don't recover from what you've done, there's no point doing it. And like, what's the point of just going smashing out for hours of training, then coming home, not eating, not recovering?
00;35;06;22 - 00;35;22;01
Speaker 1
I think there's a lot of you find, you find it, you find a diet that works for you, or just a meal plan that works for you. You find a recovery method that works for you and you stick to it. Stick to it. Consistency with that is perfect. I think there's a lot of there's a lot of shit going around.
00;35;22;01 - 00;35;38;13
Speaker 1
You go, keto decides you got there all the diets. You got the ice bars, you got the, led you got the sauna is you got the best of that. There's a lot you can't do it all know you can't do it all. Pick the basics. What works for you. Yeah. Stick to it. Stay consistent, and that's all you need.
00;35;38;13 - 00;35;58;22
Speaker 1
We literally keep it basic. In our meeting yesterday, with the academy, we were showing something, and it was a quote from Christian, believe me, felt that said, get the basics right, get enough food in, get enough calories, get enough sleeping. Forget the ice baths. You get the sauna. Forget the recovery boots. Yeah, eat enough, sleep enough.
00;35;58;26 - 00;36;19;04
Speaker 1
You could lose the 95% that you do is do that well before the 5% that, comes after. Like ice baths and red lights and all that stuff. And obviously there is a place for that recovery boots, a great red light to great. I was doing red light led therapy for a while, and honestly, it was like really, really good for like the first part of the year that I was doing it.
00;36;19;04 - 00;36;41;09
Speaker 1
And I mean, funnily enough, that's when I was doing really well. But the again, marginal gains, marginal gains. It is the top tier 1% sort of stuff. Get enough food in, get your recovery diet and sleeping through your sleep. There's no better sleep. There's no better recovery than sleep than sleep. Yeah. So I think we've we've busted that one myth.
00;36;41;12 - 00;37;10;28
Speaker 1
Racing and travel racing. So what are you laughing? It was like laughing is a myth. Busted. Like the MythBusters anyway, right? Can, I think it's good. I think you need to race you. I mean, is that's why you're doing this for. You need to race. But training races and going overseas to race, I think that it's a valuable experience, but it depends on where you're going to race.
00;37;10;28 - 00;37;30;08
Speaker 1
These ones, obviously. Very, again, this is probably more professional centric. Yeah. Because I look at like someone like my mum. Yeah, they could be no more racing in the rest of her career. And she was still sharp to every single session. Yeah. She trains to train like she trained to train in this enjoyment thing. Yeah. Exactly. We're talking about like improving racing.
00;37;30;14 - 00;37;50;17
Speaker 1
If you're looking to improve racing then you need to go race. Racing is the best form of training. Yeah. Like we, we've I raced, a local race at the start of the year, rabbit Bay, just to get a little heat out of the season. I feel as if local races like that, like it's or whatever it is, they're kind of underestimated in the professional kind of space.
00;37;50;18 - 00;38;11;02
Speaker 1
People laugh at him because it's almost like, why would I do that? It's so amateur, but it's like it's still just a training to just try and go through the same process. You still ate the same things like it is literally a sim. Yeah. It's like it's a proxy. It's it's a simulation of what you would do on the day, but it feels a bit more because there's there's still the check in process.
00;38;11;02 - 00;38;35;20
Speaker 1
There's still the start line process. Yeah. The little sketchy you. Yeah. Yeah. Get out there. Yeah. Exactly. So practice race is like a local race. Really good. Yeah. Well more investment. Well, again, worthwhile investment for some people. Not for everyone. Yeah. What about, like, going overseas? So travel again? Only necessary if you have the money. Yeah. Like, really, is everybody going to be able to get overseas?
00;38;35;20 - 00;39;00;27
Speaker 1
No, no. For an elite athlete we have to. That's where it is. That's where the racing is. You're versus Asia when you're 18. What would you say. It's tricky because I do both. Yeah. Depends. Depends on what circumstance during. Yeah. If you can do both maybe do it. Depends where you are. I went over as a 17 year old, I yeah, I first went to year when I was 17 I think.
00;39;00;27 - 00;39;16;10
Speaker 1
So I started going over pretty young, but I was in the Australian team for like the juniors and we went over part of the I think it was the Home Games Association. So I was 2018. Obviously the Commonwealth Games happened on the Gold Coast and I had a little bit of leftover in there. Yeah, yeah, there was a bit left.
00;39;16;10 - 00;39;31;15
Speaker 1
I don't think so. We could take some of that. And we, we basically got half our trip funded. I think we were there for three months and I paid like three. So it was worth it. It was worth it then. Yeah. So I like and it was great exposure I like I went over there, I race a Junior European Cup.
00;39;31;17 - 00;39;46;27
Speaker 1
It's actually my best European Cup performance to date. I got fourth in that. So I still had that. So like we race that we got to go and train with some of the guys in Loughborough. That was the only time I've been in with of. Oh no, sorry, that's a lie. But we trained with the Loughborough squad there in the UK.
00;39;46;29 - 00;40;02;14
Speaker 1
We went to a SoC, we went to Switzerland like we raced a lot, we trained a lot. We got to experience a lot over that three months and it was a really, really good learning experience for what I went over the next time by myself, because it wasn't my first time that I kind of knew the system and knew how to get around and whatnot.
00;40;02;14 - 00;40;18;28
Speaker 1
So it's good if you can get there. Yeah, it's not the be all end all. Yeah. Like I go there and my only thing with that, if you are going over there for the first time as a 17, 18, 19 year old, find a group and go with a group. Yeah, I was trying to be isolated. No, not at all.
00;40;18;28 - 00;40;37;06
Speaker 1
I was 22 and I went over there by myself after doing it when I was obviously cuz Covid happened. So I went over there when I was like 17, 18 and then Covid happened that I couldn't get back over there till I was like 21. Yeah, I think I was 21 actually. And I went over there sort of by myself doing a lot of like I was with my squad, but it was and it was hard.
00;40;37;07 - 00;40;51;21
Speaker 1
It was so hard, even though I'd been over there a couple times before, it was so hard. So I if I didn't have you over there and Ollie, it would be your first time and you wouldn't know exactly where, like, I've been over there, I think four, 4 or 5 times now. So, like, I know what I'm doing.
00;40;51;21 - 00;41;11;06
Speaker 1
I can get a bit of a base. I'm fine. I'm five for crew. If you can go exactly, especially to your Asia, you can definitely. Yeah, I think that's a bit better. I went to Asia for four days the other day to Korea just for the out didn't an hour job. Yep. Cool. Should another one. Oh sorry. No ego education and mentorship.
00;41;11;11 - 00;41;31;10
Speaker 1
I think that that's underrated. I think this is free. You can educate yourself. Be a sponge. Yeah. So taking all the knowledge that you can from your coach, you know online I ChatGPT that will tell you everything there is a is podcast. You can listen to us. Yeah we'll educate you whatever I think it's low cost high value.
00;41;31;14 - 00;41;49;13
Speaker 1
Again with that though. Don't like we said, we spoke about this again referring back to it yesterday. The grass always seems greener when someone's advertising it really well, so don't take it as gospel when you're listening. Like we were kind of told we we 100% trust the people in the coaching in the program that we're in right now.
00;41;49;16 - 00;42;07;12
Speaker 1
Yeah. If you trust the process where you are, water the grass that you're in. Yeah. Don't look somewhere else and go, all that sounded good. I'm going to abandon ship and I'm going to go over there because if you do that, you're never getting consistent sort of progress anyway. You kind of deepening, dip dipping out different in, different out what sounds good.
00;42;07;15 - 00;42;23;27
Speaker 1
And it's not going to work. So find something. Do you research and find something. Stick with it. Yeah. Cool. All right. Should we do a little should we do a little bit? Yeah. We'll do some quick fire one. So just to finish it off, we've obviously went through a lot of, like, gadgets before and a lot of, like, sort of this and that.
00;42;23;27 - 00;42;46;03
Speaker 1
We're just going to go quick because obviously we went into a lot of depth. Yeah. Then no depth. We're just going to say whether it's worth it or not. Yeah. We've been ordering not for no. Yeah. Not worth it. Try specific GPS watches. Yes. Worth it. Monthly coaching. Yes. Worth it. No more tech boots? No. Not worth it.
00;42;46;05 - 00;43;08;05
Speaker 1
Or here's one speed tattoos. Or like the Aero. Yeah. Aero stickers. Not worth it. Not worth, not worth it at all. If you, Unless you. Sam. Lightly. Yeah. Bluetooth block shifting, like eight Apple data too. Yeah. I mean, it's not essential, but I've. I have it now, and I can't go back. I think elite's worth it.
00;43;08;05 - 00;43;27;15
Speaker 1
I'm sure it's more of a snobby thing. Yeah. It's not worth it. It's not really needed. Aero socks. Not. No, not worth it. Shaving your legs, was it. Yeah. It's worth. That's 100 cent with you. Can't make chocolate. I got to shave my face. So that's. So they change everything? Wind tunnel testing. Not for us. Not worth it.
00;43;27;17 - 00;43;51;17
Speaker 1
Lactic testing? Yeah. Worth it. Let's, high end racing, race day headphones. If you're writing, you know, if you're racing the headphones, I'll tell you. I hate people doing marathons with headphones in. Yeah, I just can't get around it. Well, I don't know, because like I said, when I did the half marathon a couple months ago, somebody asked me like, what?
00;43;51;18 - 00;44;04;03
Speaker 1
What music you listen to? I was like, well, I didn't even think of that. I didn't bring my headphones, but I didn't. Why wouldn't I, though? I don't know, I mean, the rice just absorb the atmosphere. Although, to be fair, when I got halfway down and there wasn't a lot of people, I thought Fox and music would be good.
00;44;04;03 - 00;44;25;16
Speaker 1
But, can't get around it. Personalized personalized black name decal decals. That is so not worth it. Don't you decide it's worth it? It's probably not worth it, but I've I've had them. They just like, came with the cycle club and they printed them out for everyone. So you've done it. Well I've had them. Yeah. They just like a no new black right now.
00;44;25;16 - 00;44;48;18
Speaker 1
No. It's just like a little thing. It says like light a wall. Yeah I know what they are. That's not great. Yeah. I was in a country. Yeah, actually, that's kind of worth it. Yeah, that's probably right. We'll go a couple more anti blister socks only really? Socks or socks. Just get a good pair. Get like a good pair to a few socks.
00;44;48;19 - 00;45;07;15
Speaker 1
Oh I think I never thought I was if I was ever to do an Ironman I'm definitely getting them. I'm looking like the anti blister brand where I'm just getting one. I jog around it. Sorry mate. We disagree that okay. We'll go one more. We'll try to find a good one.
00;45;07;17 - 00;45;32;12
Speaker 1
This is one that I can't stand. I don't know why. When you get when you costume paint your when you custom paint your carbon rims and your bottle cages and your everything to be, like one color spec. Now, when you, like, get a full course, you're going in out there. I'm actually gonna out someone here, one of the boys at training Cardiff, he's got like purple and pink rims.
00;45;32;17 - 00;45;52;29
Speaker 1
We say that pink bike not it. And like the bottle cages are all custom painted to be like purple and pink and oh my, there might be something else, but no way. Horrible. Nah. Unless you're the world champion, you get a clean, squeaky clean bike. That's rainbow. Let's just go. Any custom painted black if you can, for free.
00;45;52;29 - 00;46;07;06
Speaker 1
Yeah. If you if you're paying to do a custom painted black. Yeah. The loser don't do it. You're a loser. All right. Cool. I'm happy to agree that one. We just added a few boys because off the top of my head, I can think of a few, custom painted blocks that are getting around on the ICU circuit as well as yours.
00;46;07;08 - 00;46;27;17
Speaker 1
I don't know what's lightning McQueen. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's pretty cool. That is kind of cool. But that's also like, not worth it. Yeah, not worth it. You spend your money elsewhere. Sorry. Travel in trouble. Yeah. Oh, yeah. You're going to come at us. Shit. All righty. Well, that is your least now coming into Christmas time. That's probably a bit handy, actually.
00;46;27;17 - 00;46;44;24
Speaker 1
They you do's and don'ts. What you what you want. You wish list. Yeah. That's your wish list right there. We've just helped you out. What what, what you should spend your money on and what you should, you know, maybe you keep money spending on something else. Anyway, like we said, we're probably going to wrap up the, the unfunded podcast season next week.
00;46;44;29 - 00;47;01;14
Speaker 1
Yeah, we're going to we're going to try playing something, you know, pretty special. We're going to have like, probably the, the unfunded awards night. Yeah. It'll be recorded each night. Yeah. We invite only. So, check out, check out your Po boxes and, keep your emails refreshed because, you know, you might be getting an invite.
00;47;01;14 - 00;47;23;00
Speaker 1
Yeah, I will say yes to no, I will RSVP, but let's just say let's save ourselves the embarrassment. Yeah. All righty. Well, once again, thank you for listening. This is the unfunded podcast, episode 34, brought to you by official Be proud sponsors of the podcast. If you would like to get in touch with us, we are on Instagram at the unfunded podcast.
00;47;23;06 - 00;47;43;08
Speaker 1
Or you can send us an email. I sorry, we go to the correct email. We didn't do it right last week. Yeah. So our producer actually cut out the email because I sent the wrong one. The so unfunded podcast at gmail.com. They have it. All right. If you want to send us an email, if you want to get in touch, if you want to have a little chat, you know, send us some iron wetsuits.
00;47;43;15 - 00;47;48;02
Speaker 1
That'd be cool. So I'll be on it. Hey. Thanks, guys. Season. Cheers. But.