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Tune in every Tuesday for a brand new episode of Don't Eat Poop! A Food Safety Podcast. Join Francine L. Shaw, the savvy CEO of Savvy Food Safety, and Matthew Regusci, compliance connoisseur and founder of Fostering Compliance, as they serve up the latest in food safety with a side of laughter.
Explore the ins and outs of food systems, responsible food practices, and food safety regulations. Stay informed about food safety awareness and the not-so-occasional food recall. Delve deep into the complexities of the food supply chain with our dynamic duo, who blend expert insights with a pinch of food safety humor. Whether you're knee-deep in the food safety industry or just passionate about what's on your plate, this podcast promises a fresh take on staying safe while eating well.
Expect candid conversations, personal anecdotes, and occasional guest appearances that spice up the discussion. Shaw and Regusci bring their combined decades of experience to the table, making each episode as informative as it is entertaining. From industry trends to must-know food safety news and regulations, they've got your back (and your lunch).
In essence, Don't Eat Poop! A Food Safety Podcast is not just about imparting information; it's about fostering a culture of food safety. By shedding light on the intricacies of the food supply chain and the latest food safety news, it aims to promote awareness and encourage responsible food practices among consumers and industry professionals alike.
When it comes to food safety, knowledge is power, and a good laugh is the best seasoning. At the heart of every episode is one golden rule: Don't Eat Poop!
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Matt Regusci: [00:00:00] You know what? Who knows? That might actually be a benefit to this. Like a lot of times people have citrus smelling detergent, so salmon and citrus, those two go together. So it could be a little extra lemony. When you get your detergent on your salmon, by the way, the detergent has on the side of the packaging do not consume, and then generally there is a place for poison control in case you have consumed the product.
intro: Everybody's gotta eat and nobody likes getting sick. That's why heroes toil in the shadows, keeping your food safe at all points from the supply chain to the point of sale. Join industry veterans, Francine l Shaw and Matt Regusci for a deep dive into food safety. It all boils down to one golden rule. Don't.
Eat poop. [00:01:00] Don't eat poop.
Matt Regusci: Hello? Hello Francine.
Francine L Shaw: Hi Matt.
Matt Regusci: Okay, so today we are going to do an episode that is a refresh from a blast from the past.
Francine L Shaw: It is. We're gonna get back to some fun. We get something fun though a couple weeks.
Matt Regusci: That's true. That's true. Although I'm not quite sure what it says about our sanity when we say we did something fun from a couple weeks ago and it was talking about a murder.
Francine L Shaw: Yeah.
Matt Regusci: Francine, the look on your face. Oh yeah.
Francine L Shaw: So one of the girls that works on our podcast sent me a link this morning and said, this is right up our alley. There's actually a documentary about the woman who murdered her family with the mushrooms.
Matt Regusci: The Australian lady? Yes. Who offed her family? Yes. With beef Wellington?
Francine L Shaw: Yes. She sent that to me this morning.
Matt Regusci: Now I gotta watch this documentary. What is it [00:02:00] on?
Francine L Shaw: She sent this to me this morning. I got it this morning.
Matt Regusci: Is it Netflix
Francine L Shaw: or is Mariana sent it to me?
Matt Regusci: I love Mariana.
Francine L Shaw: Bdc.com/ice. Oh wait, no, this is a different one. Norovirus. Oh, norovirus is at the Winter Olympics.
Matt Regusci: Shocking.
Francine L Shaw: Already. They haven't even officially started.
Matt Regusci: Norovirus, herpes gonorrhea.
Francine L Shaw: Oh, wait a minute. Let me just talk. We are foodborne illness people. So how did we spawn off into herpes and gonorrhea?
Matt Regusci: Well, because there a lot of diseases that get transferred at the Olympics. It's not just foodborne.
Francine L Shaw: What just happened?
Matt Regusci: I, I live in Colorado Springs, so let me just say I hear stories that happens in the Olympic training centers here.
So.
Francine L Shaw: Let's say that a lot of weird stuff comes outta Colorado Springs I've noticed. [00:03:00] And no offense to Colorado Springs, I don't want nasty emails just saying, I'm noticing the news.
Matt Regusci: You get a lot of high type A personality. High healthy athletes all across the world in one place. Let's just say the franchise is.
Francine L Shaw: We're both Type A personalities, so no offense there either.
The Australian who killed in-laws with Beef Wellington, now he has its own TV series.
Matt Regusci: Really?
Francine L Shaw: Netflix.
Matt Regusci: Okay, so we're gonna have to, I'm gonna watch this.
Francine L Shaw: I hope you enjoy it. What do our listeners think about me? Oh, dear God, I don't wanna know.
Matt Regusci: Okay. We're gonna have to watch this series and do an episode on this series.
That'll be my homework. 'cause I know for sure you're gonna watch it because those are the type of shows you watch.
Francine L Shaw: Oh, no question.
Matt Regusci: So I will watch [00:04:00] it as well for research purposes.
Francine L Shaw: This fixation I have. Anyway, yes, she sent that to me this morning. At 1:20 AM What was she watching?
Matt Regusci: Well, she's in a different country.
Francine L Shaw: I, yeah, she's in a different country, so I don't know what time it was where she was. It might not have been 1:20 AM. Anyway.
Matt Regusci: Francine got lost a while ago when we first started this podcast on crazy things that influencers do with food on TikTok and. I am not a big TikTok person.
I have a TikTok account and my TikTok account is collated based upon what my family sends me or what Francine sends me. That's it. Like I only watch videos that people send me.
Francine L Shaw: In fairness is people send me the stuff 'cause I don't do TikTok either. Unless I'm posting our stuff, people send me stuff. Yes.
Matt Regusci: Yes.
Francine L Shaw: We should do more TikTok.
Matt Regusci: We should, my [00:05:00] son-in-law, our future son-in-law, send me a TikTok that was very similar to the salmon in the dishwasher episode that Francine and I did when we first started this podcast. Like, oh my gosh, almost three years ago. Yeah, three years ago. Three years. Yeah. It'll be three years ago.
By the time this thing posts over three years, we did a salmon and dishwasher episode, which was really funny and Okay. Some guy and looks like he would be type of guy to have a whole bunch of other blue collar dudes over for a Super Bowl party, did a TikTok and it went viral on how to get ready for the Super Bowl party by cooking and I should say steaming hot dogs in his dishwasher.
He puts the hot dogs on the little spikes of the bottom shelf. He just sticks 'em into the spikes and he sticks [00:06:00] the buns in its packages. So Lord knows how much BPA and phthalates are on those buns after steaming them in a dishwasher. I'm guessing. I'm guessing, on the packaging of the buns.
It does not say to do this, but they probably just assume you're not going to do this. Do not steam your buns that are in a plastic bag. In the plastic bag, like you're going to end up getting all that plastic residue into your buns. Okay? But.
Francine L Shaw: Okay, so my dishwasher would melt the bag to the buns. It gets that hot. Zero question.
Matt Regusci: Well, it depends all the setting.
Francine L Shaw: If I put the, the dry, extra dry setting on my dishwasher, it would melt it. It melts some of the plastic, I dunno, Rubbermaid. It'll melt that. Yes, it would melt. It would melt that to the buns.
Matt Regusci: So I mean, an entrepreneuring guy, he came up with an idea. Does that [00:07:00] idea work? Yes, it will definitely steam the hot dogs. It will definitely steam the buns in the bag. Is it safe? No. This is not something safe to do. And your dishwasher for many, many, many reasons.
But that led us on a rabbit hole and we were like, okay, what advice is out there in the world of the Google world of using your dishwasher for cooking? Let's just say Francine and I are not the only food safety professionals in the world that thinks that cooking food in a dishwasher is not a good idea. Not a good idea. In fact.
Francine L Shaw: It's just not smart.
Matt Regusci: Well, it depends. I think that guy thought he was really smart. Okay, so right off the bat, if you Google this. Google AI which it just pops up automatically, right? It says, cooking [00:08:00] in a dishwasher involves placing vacuum sealed or tightly foiled food in the dishwasher machine during a wash cycle, utilizing the heat and moisture to poach or steam items like fish, vegetables, lasagna, or hot dogs and buns, I guess is generally.
So just fill in the blank because people are going to end up finding creative not safe uses for the dishwasher other than what it's intended for, which is washing dishes. It is generally considered a novelty or a poor man sous vide method that risks food poisoning due to inconsistent temperatures and is not recommended by experts.
That is one paragraph for Google AI and yes, I would agree. Francine and I started looking into this deeper, and we have another thing where the consumer reports did a thing on this [00:09:00] and Francine started reading the consumer reports and she's like, okay, I'm not gonna read this. Matt, you've already read this.
I just want you to read this so we can see what my face looks like for all the crazy things. You'll find this in the notes below. Strangest things people have put in their dishwasher by consumer reports. This is insane the things that people put in there. Hopefully hope. God. God, I hope. I hope people are not putting some of these things in their dishwasher and then using their dishwasher to cook food after, because that would be very unsafe.
Okay. So I guess this has been a trend for a while because on May 30th, 2016, the Association of Home Appliance Manufacturers came out with a blog and it said, cooking in your dishwasher. Bad idea. So please, this is [00:10:00] from the association, basically begging people not to do this so that their manufacturers that support the association don't get sued 'cause somebody is ultimately gonna get sick.
This is what they write on this. Okay. A number of cooking and lifestyle blogs have reported the novelty of using a dishwasher to cook food. Recipes might include salmon, eggs, chicken, and other food. Eggs. Eggs in the dishwasher?
Francine L Shaw: Poached maybe.
Matt Regusci: I just seem so inefficient.
They go further on. It says it's a unique concept that most people probably haven't considered. Yes, that is true. Most people probably haven't until TikTok came out about six years later and then spread it across the inner world of the internet, and now people are utilizing this for followers.
It's a bad idea. They continue to write and appliance manufacturers don't recommend it. Yes, because they don't wanna get sued because you got sick by cooking food [00:11:00] in an appliance that's not designed to cook food. Many of the articles tout the alleged energy savings, ease of cleanup, and unique cooking approach as reasons to try dishwasher cooking.
But there is little said about the risks and here are the many risks. Harmful bacteria. Yes, duh. Would you like a side of e coli or salmonella bacteria with your dishwasher's cooked meat? Probably not, but that's what you get when you do this. Many factors including water supply, determine how hot it gets in the dishwasher during the cycle. That means it may not reach 140 degree minimum cooking temperatures the USDA Department of Agriculture recommends to kill potentially harmful microorganisms. You could end up giving harmful bacteria an environment at which they thrive in as they tend to multiply in temperatures between 40 and 140 [00:12:00] degrees Fahrenheit. Yes.
The next thing, contamination. Regardless of how food is sealed, even a tiny opening will allow spray from your dishwasher and possibly detergent to reach the food. Like dishes, food can move during a cycle and the movement may cause punctures or tears in otherwise watertight wrapping. Yes.
Francine L Shaw: With the seal. That seal, if it gets hot enough, could break open and now you've got a little bit of jet dry in your food. It's gonna be nice and sparkling. Well, I didn't put detergent in there. No, but if you put jet dry in there, it's coming out.
Matt Regusci: You know what? Who knows? That might actually be a benefit to this. Like a lot of times people have citrus smelling detergent, so salmon and citrus, those two go together.
So, it could be a little extra lemony when you get your detergent on your salmon.
Francine L Shaw: Lemon fresh [00:13:00] fish.
Matt Regusci: By the way, the detergent has on the side of the packaging do not consume. And then generally there is a place for poison control in case you have consumed the product. So.
Francine L Shaw: Do not induce vomiting. A lot of times.
So, which means we don't want it to make multiple trips through the digestive track.
Matt Regusci: You know what would be hilarious is at the end of these TikTok videos, if they're like, and I eat my dishwasher salmon with a side of charcoal pills just to make sure everything it is filtered through my system.
Fire. Here's another thing that the Appliance Association says is a potential hazard. Fire. That's probably isn't good in your kitchen other than you know if you have a gas stove and is controlled, but your dishwasher, I don't think is what you assume is going to catch fire. Food could become dislodged during the wash cycle and end up in the [00:14:00] dishwasher's heating element, potentially causing a fire. Yeah, that's not good. That's not good.
And it's a waste of energy. While dishwashers have reduced their water in more than 41% since 2005, they still require about five gallons of water per cycle to effectively clean the dishes. Appliances are designed to perform specific tasks quickly and efficiently, so take advice from the people who make the dishwashers and leave it to the cooking ranges and ovens. Amen.
Francine L Shaw: Yes. Amen.
Matt Regusci: Fire. Can you imagine you're doing your Super Bowl party and you have about, I don't know, 40 or 50 hot bogs on the little hooks steaming away with their buns, and then you're watching the Patriots. And all of a sudden you have a fire in your kitchen. Totally.
Francine L Shaw: In the dishwasher. Can you [00:15:00] imagine being at somebody's home and they open up the dishwasher?
Matt Regusci: I could see this as like a party trick. People will probably think this is cool. I wouldn't, I would say, no. Thank you. I'll stick with the chips. Thank you. Please, please tell me, you didn't put the wings in there too, did you? No. No, but you know what? If the dishwasher did catch on fire, maybe it would provide another element.
So you get the steaming and the grilling simultaneously in your dishwasher.
Francine L Shaw: Smoked.
Matt Regusci: Smoked, oh my God. We're laughing about this, but people are gonna be doing this.
Francine L Shaw: The other things, I mean, did they wash their litter box in there right before they put the hot dogs in there?
Matt Regusci: Okay, so now. We're getting to the fun part if that wasn't fun before.
Okay, so Consumer Reports, this article was from October 31st, so on Halloween 2025, consumer Reports did. What is the [00:16:00] strangest things people have put in their dishwasher? People have confessed to washing everything from toothbrushes to keyboards. In a dishwasher, but is that really wise? Okay. So I'm gonna, I'm just gonna jump down to the parts because they asked, they asked their audience, consumer report, asked their audience, what are the strangest things you have put in your dishwasher?
So this.
Francine L Shaw: I'm gonna go with, no, it's not wise, but go ahead.
Matt Regusci: Okay, so baseball caps. I get this. Okay, because baseball caps in the laundry machine, we have those little cages or whatever that you put your hat in and you throw it in the laundry machine and wash a hat. Okay? That's how we would wash a hat, like in my household.
But I guess some people use the dishwasher, throw it in the dishwasher, I don't know, with your cups and pans and plates and spoons and forks and wash the cup. I would advise. If you cooked spaghetti, [00:17:00] don't wash any clothing in there because spaghetti sauce tends to stain things. And so I don't know. I don't know if people are washing their hats by themselves or like in with other things, but yeah. Hat washing. Okay, whatever.
Clothes and shoes. Yeah, I've seen this. On TikTok, my kids asked me if this was a good idea one time. My family is a Croc family. Everybody has at least one pair of Crocs, and there was a TikTok trend about throwing your Crocs in with in a cycle to clean your Crocs. That is not a good idea.
Think of all the foot junk on the inside of those things. Let alone walking through dog crap, walking through mud, walking through everything with quick Crocs.
Francine L Shaw: What's in the bathroom that you've been in? Like [00:18:00] the public restrooms, the grocery store, the.
Matt Regusci: Women who don't have boys may not understand this, but in the men's restroom, you walk into a public man's restroom and you walk up to a urinal.
That is not water on the floor under the urinal.
Francine L Shaw: In the airport, you name it.
Matt Regusci: So washing your shoes and the dishwasher. Probably not a good idea to say. No.
Fish. This was Consumer Reports fish. I'm just gonna read this portion of it because I think it's interesting.
You would think that an oven would be the best place to cook salmon steak. But some people are willing to experiment elsewhere. Some creative cooks told us that they poached salmon steaks wrapped tightly in tinfoil in their dishwasher, not using any detergent of course, but detergent was used before and will be used [00:19:00] after. Miraculously, they said the fish did emerge, fully cooked. Voila.
Others told us that they've used their dishwasher to thaw turkey or chicken quickly. Lordy.
Francine L Shaw: So.
Matt Regusci: The poultry is sealed at a plastic bag while the dishwasher runs his cycle shortening the thawing process. I know it's unconventional, but it's a lifesaver. A reader said.
Francine L Shaw: When I was training, I had people tell me that they thawed their poultry in the dryer.
Matt Regusci: What?
Francine L Shaw: Dryer. Can you imagine a turkey or a, this was turkey tumbling in your clothing dryer? I can barely take a pair of tennis shoes, let alone a turkey tumbling in the dryer.
Somebody else told me. Now you're in front of a room full of many people. Sometimes when you, and you've got to remain stoic while you're standing there and not react to [00:20:00] these comments other than to tell them, that's not a great idea.
Somebody else told me that they wrapped theirs in an electric blanket. That is in my book. I wrote those stories in my book, the things that people shared, washing collared greens in the washing machine. I don't want my food anywhere in my underwear been, I'm sorry.
Matt Regusci: It makes me wonder if people just don't think of the lowest common denominator. What do I mean by that? Is I'm going to do this. And what are the ramifications or what are the things that were in this device, appliance, et cetera, that could have affected what I am about to put into there and how can what I put in there affect what will be in there in the future?
There's no forethought or long-term thought process in this at all.
Francine L Shaw: Let's think about this. Water drains out those [00:21:00] holes. That moisture doesn't completely go away. It's constantly filled with moisture. So what kind of potential is there for mold and mildew in, I've seen the inside of a washing machine.
Nobody dismantles that thing and cleans inside of there and gets rid of what is in like the motor or the pump. And so, your food, if you do that, is exposed to what's in that pump in the No, don't put your food in there.
Matt Regusci: I just can't get the image outta my head of a turkey tumbling in a dryer.
Francine L Shaw: Yeah.
They're telling me these stories and I'm like just standing there listening to the And because once somebody shares, everybody starts to share and starts to tell you these stories. 'cause it's like, oh yeah, I've got a story. I'm then [00:22:00] explaining to them why this isn't a great idea. So doesn't that bruise your turkey?
Yeah. And then we go from there about why this isn't a real great idea beyond bruising. Now my dryer had a shelf in it, but you could lay things on and it would dry. So not that works better. I'm not condoning this, but as far as tumbling goes. Don't put your turkey in a dryer.
Matt Regusci: No. And when I defrost chicken or poultry in general, chicken, Turkey, et cetera, I defrost it in its packaging.
It depends on how I'm defrosting it most of the time. A lot of times I defrost it in its packaging. I learned really early on, I don't know when I was a teenager, defrosting chicken for my family, that if you just leave it on the shelf. In its original packaging, it leaks as it's defrosting, it leaks, so it may be in its original packaging when [00:23:00] you throw it in the dryer and now you're tumbling it.
So gross.
Francine L Shaw: Yes. I don't think far enough ahead to buy it frozen, so I just buy it already thawed, defrosted.
Matt Regusci: Okay, so the last paragraph on this salmon one is, should you do it? Quote, the short answer is no. Heck no, says James E. Rogers, PhD and Director of Food Safety Research and testing at Consumer Reports, the risks are twofold.
You're potentially contaminating your dishwasher with uncooked food, and the food you're cooking could be contaminated by whatever is in your dishwasher, such as leftover food scraps, detergent, and rinse aid. Duh. It's nice that a PhD actually has common sense too.
Okay. More things that have been put into a dishwasher to be [00:24:00] cleaned. Computer keyboards. I have no clue why you would throw a computer keyboard into a dishwasher.
Francine L Shaw: Yeah, I don't know why somebody would do that. I guess it did come out squeaky clean, or you probably couldn't use it.
Matt Regusci: No, that's the other thing. Should you do it? Not a good idea. Another quote from someone from consumer reports, the high temperature from the dishwasher may damage the keyboard's, plastic, and the water and detergent will most certainly destroy the electronics. Duh.
Francine L Shaw: Mine actually needs clean now. Maybe I'll take it home and toss it in.
Matt Regusci: Run a cycle with a bunch of other stuff. Yeah. Okay. Toothbrushes and combs. Oh man. Toothbrushes and combs. Just buy a new toothbrush. They're not that expensive. Like I understand that there are things that you don't wanna just throw away because they're not [00:25:00] disposable. Toothbrushes and combs are not one of them.
They're not that expensive.
Francine L Shaw: I've had many people tell me they put their toothbrushes in there.
Matt Regusci: There's so much bacteria in your mouth. And I guess there's bacteria from your mouth on the cups, the plates, the silverware, et cetera, et cetera. But like it's in all of those bristles, it's very different. And then you're throwing that bacteria into your dishwasher.
And then on the flip side, whatever bru is in your dishwasher now is on your toothbrush that you're sticking in your mouth. Maybe the gross factor is just too much for me on some of this stuff, but like that just makes zero sense Toys. Francine toys for both kids and pets.
Francine L Shaw: I put my dog toys in there. No, I was just kidding.
Matt Regusci: We have put kids toys in the dishwasher. My wife has done that in the past because we have the sanitization cycle, so that has been done, not the ones that have batteries [00:26:00] in it.
Francine L Shaw: I'm glad you clarified. I put my dog toys in a washing machine. I don't put them in a dishwasher, but I do put them in a washing machine.
Matt Regusci: Okay, so that one is a okay. That has been done by us.
Filters. Filters for your home. Appliances get gross a can. A lot of times the filters are like disposable, aren't they?
Francine L Shaw: What appliances are they talking about?
Matt Regusci: I see. I see the filters in your home. Appliances can get gross if you ever cleaned them.
Several readers told us that they prefer to use a dishwasher to clean the grease from the filters of their stove exhaust fans.
Francine L Shaw: I've done that.
Matt Regusci: Have also tried. What was that?
Francine L Shaw: I've done that.
Matt Regusci: Yes. I have too. Put that in there. Totally. Should you do it? Sorry. It's a no. Says Consumer Reports, you shouldn't wash filters from exhaust fans, air purifiers or, and air conditioners in a dishwasher, because not all filters are reusable or washable.
That is true. [00:27:00] I would never put a U reusable one in there.
Francine L Shaw: Oh no, I wouldn't either, and I would never put one that was loaded with grease in there. I cleaned it before I put it in the dishwasher, and then I put it in the dishwasher to try to clean it more. Does that make sense?
Matt Regusci: Yes, absolutely. But like the exhaust filters for air conditioners, like no.
Francine L Shaw: Well, if they're not reusable, they're not something I, ours are not something that you would put into the dishwasher. Like the dishwasher would kill it. My dishwasher's, there's not a lot that's coming out of there alive.
Matt Regusci: And I understand like those things aren't cheap. We have a few air conditioners and stuff, and I mean, they're not onerously expensive, but they're also not inexpensive. But they're like, they're meant to be disposable.
Francine L Shaw: I'm sorry, I read ahead. You were talking about Crocs. It said, one reader told us that while they put the Crocs in the dishwasher, they got very clean, but they came out [00:28:00] two sizes smaller.
Matt Regusci: It literally melted the plastic of the Crocs and shrunk their shoes.
Maybe we should just stick to dishes. I just only imagined.
So we tend to buy our appliances from Best Buy because the return policy is really awesome. Can you imagine going to Best Buy and be like, okay, so why are you returning to device? What's the reason? Oh, well, it just started leaking. Oh, okay. And was everything fine up until just recently? Yeah, everything was perfectly fine. Dishwasher worked great. Now it's just leaking. Huh? What? What changed? I just washed a few of my hoodies.
Francine L Shaw: Like, is there any particular reason there'd be a sock in the pump?
Matt Regusci: Oh yeah, I'd be looking for that. I'm pretty sure that there's probably a policy in the contract of LG that says something along the lines of, you need to utilize this for the purpose that it is intended for.
Francine L Shaw: Which is not washing clothing.[00:29:00]
Matt Regusci: Or Crocs.
Francine L Shaw: Or sneakers, but.
Matt Regusci: That would be really bad. Crocs are not cheap, man. Like when?
Francine L Shaw: No, they're not. I think at one time they might have been, I don't think I own a pair of Crocs. My husband does that. He wears to the lake, but I don't think I have a pair of Crocs.
Matt Regusci: Yeah. Every one of my kids have two pairs of Crocs and that's.
Francine L Shaw: I'm probably the only one in my family that doesn't have a pair, but.
Matt Regusci: You know what? Okay, so with the kids that come in and outta my house, sometimes I have to like buy smaller size clothes and that type of stuff. This could solve my Croc issue when I have a kid that outgrows a pair of Crocs, but those Crocs are two sizes too big for the next kid down.
I could just send it through a cycle and voilá. clean and the right size. Thank you, Francine.
Francine L Shaw: Oh my God. Yeah, that's what, [00:30:00] yeah. Great idea, Matt. Great idea.
Matt Regusci: And defrost my poultry at the same time. This would be great.
Francine L Shaw: What? And just throw in dinner.
Matt Regusci: And dishes. Just do the whole thing. I like using citrus on my poultry as well, so we just run the whole cycle with the detergents and all.
If there's a little bit of a citrus runoff onto the poultry? Perfect. And it'll make the Crocs smell. Really good for a while and my dishes will be clean. Oh man. I'm always trying to find time saving things. This is great.
Francine L Shaw: Yeah. So people are gonna listen to this and think they need to get back to doing interviews.
Matt Regusci: You know what, after this, why we will put an interview from Food Safety Consortium on there. I think that's a great idea. On that note, don't eat poop.