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Seth Holehouse is a TV personality, YouTuber, podcaster, and patriot who became a household name in 2020 after his video exposing election fraud was tweeted, shared, uploaded, and pinned by President Donald Trump — reaching hundreds of millions worldwide.
Titled The Plot to Steal America, the video was created with a mission to warn Americans about the communist threat to our nation—a mission that’s been at the forefront of Seth’s life for nearly two decades.
After 10 years behind the scenes at The Epoch Times, launching his own show was the logical next step. Since its debut, Seth’s show “Man in America” has garnered 1M+ viewers on a monthly basis as his commitment to bring hope to patriots and to fight communism and socialism grows daily. His guests have included Peter Navarro, Kash Patel, Senator Wendy Rogers, General Michael Flynn, and General Robert Spalding.
He is also a regular speaker at the “ReAwaken America Tour” alongside Eric Trump, Mike Lindell, Gen. Flynn.
Welcome to Man in America, a voice of reason in a world gone mad. I'm your host, Seth Holehouse. On this show, I get the opportunity to interview a lot of amazing people. But what I really enjoy is when someone interviews me because oftentimes, I don't get the chance to, you know, kinda go deep into my own story and what I'm working through and what I'm learning. And so lately, I was a guest on Scott Kesterson's podcast, Bards FM, and we went into a deep two hour long interview, which I think you'll really enjoy.
Speaker 1:So today's show is actually gonna be that interview with me on Scott's show. Now for those of you that are familiar with Scott, he does an audio only show, so there's no video aspect for this. I'll just put a picture up for you to look at if you wanna stare at something. But it's gonna be an audio only interview, but I think you're really gonna enjoy it and see a lot more behind the scenes of really what's going on in my life and, you know, things I'm focusing on and what I think about the future of this country and this world. So please enjoy the show with me as a guest on Scott Kesterson's podcast, Bards FM.
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Speaker 2:Well, Patriots, I am really honored today, always honored, in fact, to have Seth Holehouse with us, a man in America. If you don't follow him, we'll get all that contact for you too, but do follow him. He's got an amazing show. He's a he's been a long time voice in this whole episodic time in which we live in trying to wake up truth. And he's a husband.
Speaker 2:He's a father. He's a homesteader, and he's just a great pursuit of truth. So, Seth, welcome to the show. How are you?
Speaker 1:I'm great, Scott. And it's it's such an honor to be on here because, I mean, I so I started this the podcast, my wife and I did back in 2020 after the election. And for most of the year of 2020, you were the most consistent podcast at that time. And you you still are. Like, you're still very relevant.
Speaker 1:And and my wife or either, you know, either of us are often I was listening to. Know, my mom's a big fan of yours. And but I I I can say this with all honesty that you were one of the big influences for me wanting to start a podcast. Oh, wow. Because I I just I took so much away from what you were doing and with you county by county and everything that you were working on.
Speaker 1:And it just felt like, gosh, you know, if Scott can do this, like, can do it. And I thought, I'm gonna do it. So, yeah, you you were one of the probably only two or three kind of main influences I had at that point that really, I think, gave me the encouragement and the confidence to go out and start something on my own. And here we are. So it's great to come back around full circle, you know, five years later and have this conversation.
Speaker 2:Oh, it is. I mean, it's you and I talked about this on your show last week that, you know, there's not we've seen a lot of people come and go in this place, and a lot of voices have gone really high and then they almost vanish. And this is one thing that I I say about your show as well is it's very consistent. You've had a very steady flow, solid you had a really explosive time early on when you're I think it was your video on election fraud got exploded out there. I mean, that was a big one.
Speaker 2:And that was a it's when we were all so much on Twitter. But the the message that that I respect so much about what you're giving is just constantly just pushing for that truth and informing to make smart decisions in the world. And I think that's hopefully what we're all trying to do. You know?
Speaker 1:I think so. It's funny because we recently added a tagline to the show. It's it's a voice of reason in a world gone mad. And that's what it's really it's it's kind of it's recognizing
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:That, yes, the world has gone mad. I I do think that we're living in the in the end of an empire, and not just an empire of The United States, but we're I think we're ending living in the time where we will see great changes, coming to our civilization or or human civilization. If you look at the just the structures of evil that have been built up around us for not just for generations, but for millennia. And I do believe that these structures are in the process of being exposed and being dismantled, that I think that a lot of things will change. But I think that contributes to a lot of the madness.
Speaker 1:But when I say it's a voice of reason, which is why I I don't have all the answers. I think similar to you, I just try to walk through and take people through my own process of understanding and explain why I believe something, explain why I've changed my position on something where I I might have been some way a year ago, and maybe I I've learned something new. Like, actually, I just had an interview, this morning. I haven't published it yet, but with, Matthew Arret, who's a brilliant researcher. And he, in a lot of ways, helped me reframe a lot of the the perspective of what's going on right now with the discussion of do the Jews control the world and this and that, you know, all these different ideas.
Speaker 1:And that his conversation is like, wow. It really opened me up to something that I thought was really interesting. And so I I, yeah. I just I really enjoy doing my best to be intellectually honest and just being myself. And that's why I commonly hear I know you're like that too because I've met you plenty of times offline, and it's like, oh, you're just you're the same guy on the radio.
Speaker 1:Right? Where I think some people you meet them and you realize, oh, you're just an actor. Like, you you know how to put a show on, but you meet them elsewhere, and they're very different. And that's why I like that. Like, I meet people and they say, oh, wow.
Speaker 1:You're you're just like the Seth I hear on the show. It's like, yeah, that's that's all I am. Whether it's to you or my wife or my kids, I'm just this corny dad that has a podcast.
Speaker 2:I'm with you. I think that's just it. I mean, it's, I think we can get lost in our position of this place of like, you know, I'm a podcaster or I'm an influencer. I I don't I can't resonate with those, but people do. And when they do that, I think that we lose perspective on what we're really trying to do here.
Speaker 2:We're having conversations. That's one of the reasons that even in my interviews, when we do them with guests or however this is, these are just conversations. And I make a point of titling at that because it's not people have different levels of expertise and people have different ways of telling a story, but ultimately stories are what shape us and we need to have that context to really appreciate the world and its complexities. It's not just binary. And I and we do this so much.
Speaker 2:We get into this binary and it's a bipolarism, you know, this is good, this is bad. You're bad, you're good. You're part of this party, that party. I mean, it's just so so unreasoned. And with that, we lose we lose the humanity and and when we add that fuel to it that we're just talking online too many times and we're not sitting down literally breaking bread, having a conversation from one another, we we our humanity slips away.
Speaker 2:And I think that's the biggest piece is how to maintain that conversation. In fact, just to finish that thought, I mean, my mom was talking about this just yesterday. Went down and saw her and she's just like, this world to her, she's looking at it, she would love your tagline by the You know, and and that's and she's looking at it, she's just shaking her head. She's like, I don't even know how you operate in it because in my time, we there were roles, there were things that we did. We were we would there was honesty and integrity in the basic way we lived, and we worked very hard at at just sitting with one another and having conversations.
Speaker 2:And very different world now, you know, it really is.
Speaker 1:Oh, it's a completely different world. And, I've I've actually I've I've thought about even doing a a segment of the show called remembering America, where maybe I go into nursing homes or, you know, know, find different people that are much older, you know, 80, and just sit down and ask them, what was America like when when when you grew up? How much how much was your first house? Did your wife work? Was she upset she couldn't work?
Speaker 1:Or she stay was she happy to stay at home with the kids? What was the family what was the community like? You know, just to to ask these things because I think that, you know, as I mentioned before, that just in understanding the just the layers of the of the of deception of of how controlled things have been, you know, around us and how, you know, we're really at the at the kind of last stage of this of this empire. And that we're at this place where everywhere you look, at least once you start looking for it, it's like, they live. Right?
Speaker 1:The old John Carpenter movie. Right? You you have your glasses, and you put your glasses on. You realize every single thing that is is constructed around us is part of an agenda. Right.
Speaker 1:And I think that so much of that agenda has fundamentally, it's a satanic agenda to destroy God's creation, destroy man. Right? To to get man to turn turn turn against God. I think that's the the very base of it. But I think that the mechanisms of that agenda, which have been carried out for millennia, in a large part have been to destroy what I believe is the god given culture of how humans are supposed to act and how humans are supposed to treat each other and and have civility, even how we're supposed to dress.
Speaker 1:I mean, look at how people dressed in the eighteen hundreds. Mhmm. Right? Like, very you know, my wife and I, we love watching historical dramas and seeing, well, you know, war and peace. Look how beautiful.
Speaker 1:Even the the lower class, they still presented themselves well. And now you you walk around, and you see, you know, teenagers wearing pajama pants and and girls wearing shirts with their breasts hanging out and, you know, things, you know, way too small. And and it's just I think that's another aspect of it is that there's been a systematic destruction of the real human culture and the real traditions that we're supposed to have and even how we've been uprooted. You know, if you look at you know, say, go back a couple hundred years, you might have grown up in a small village. You don't leave the village.
Speaker 1:You don't say, oh, hey, I'm 18 now. I'm I'm I'm leaving. I'm going to a different country now to live, or I'm moving across. No. You stay there with your family.
Speaker 1:You walk across the same bridge that your great, great grandfather built, you know, a hundred and fifty years ago. And I think all of those aspects of tradition and that culture is what it it's what grounded us. It gave us these principles. I think that now we're living in a world that truly has gone mad, where there is no there is no the only culture is what Hollywood and the music industry are shoving at us. And that culture is just the it's the inverse, I think, of what human culture is.
Speaker 1:And so that's what you know, and we'll get into this too. But think that a lot of it goes into, the idea of, like, what's what's behind the homesteading movement? What's behind a lot of these lifestyle decisions? And it's actually maybe at some point, could have said it was about a survival mechanism. But now it's actually for me in our family, it's much deeper than that.
Speaker 1:It's about returning back to human tradition and trying to live as God wanted us to live. And I think that's actually the greatest defense that we have, to against this onslaught of this very satanic globalist agenda that is trying to destroy us.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I couldn't agree more. And I think that's a good segue because the principal, you and I both have have a big belief in homesteading and the main and many differences, I mean, and the many challenges it brings. And as you probably heard me talk about, it's it's more of a mindset than it is a physical location. So as I like to talk about regularly, it's like if you live in an apartment or a condo, which is frequent, you can still make efforts to start growing some of your food even if it's sprouts, but it changes a mindset.
Speaker 2:It changes your heart position. If you're in a community and you want to grow, then become part of community gardens or work to build one or get one set aside and start working that change. Because once we start to touch what we grow, it transforms everything. Anecdotal on this, five years ago, my parents didn't have a garden. And when I moved in and buying their house, and they're still there, but I spent the first two years just aggressively building out a very involved garden.
Speaker 2:I've talked a lot about that. It's it's small space gardening, high intensity agriculture. That handoff has been made and it's now there. And then I talk about it almost every phone call, but he's he's actively just in he's become the gardener. And he's just and I was just over there yesterday, and it's absolutely beautiful what he's done and the detailing he's done and how he's taken it to another level.
Speaker 2:But to see the also the excitement of as the fruits of the harvest are coming now, the tomatoes are coming in, that that some of the early onions are in, you know, that some of the early squash is coming about. And to see all that and to see the transformation and and how it changes everything. You no longer look to the store as your your relationship with food. It's it's what you're growing. And those subtle things change us so deeply in in the root of who we are as humans.
Speaker 1:Oh, they they really do. And, actually, I have an interesting story. So a there's a couple that are very good friends of, my wife and I, and it's a Canadian woman, just lovely woman, and she's she's really into Ayurvedic cooking and medicine, and and she's a fantastic cook. And her husband is Indian. He's also one of my long term friends, and he is a extremely advanced, like, developer.
Speaker 1:You know, like, you know, he's someone that would be, you know, very high up like I say, a Microsoft type company developing AI or something. I think he actually is working a lot on that, but he's extremely intelligent. But what's funny is that the two of them recently in the past year bought an organic farm. And so he's someone that was, you know, working, you know, in, like, the the super, super tech world. I was I was at I was at their farm.
Speaker 1:Yeah. You know, because they're they're, like, four minutes from us, which is amazing. And I I was there this this past weekend. I was talking to him, and his name is Kanan. He's such a he's a wonderful man.
Speaker 1:And I was talking to him, I was like, what's this been like for you? He goes, oh, he's like, it's crazy. He goes, I'm he's like, I'm looking around thinking, okay. What can I automate? What can I use AI for?
Speaker 1:He goes, but then, because, you know, this morning, he goes, I my job was I was trimming basil. He's like, I I sat there for probably an hour just trimming the basil with scissors and and cutting the basil up and packaging it to sell. And he he said that he first thought, okay. At the very beginning, okay. How can I automate this?
Speaker 1:What's a better solution? What's a better system for this? But then he realized that the process of of holding the vegetable and trimming it by hand was something that you couldn't achieve through technology. And it and it he's going through this very profound spiritual transformation. Wow.
Speaker 1:Going from, again, someone did everything through, you know, automation and and computers and tech and was always living in that world to he still he still has a tech job for a a big company, you know, as but he works remotely. But now he's going through this process of learning how to farm the land and get his hands dirty and learning how to grow food. And and it's just it's amazing seeing that process because if someone can go from being on the forefront of a career in in technology and and database understanding and, you know, large language models and AI and everything, and he goes from that to then also running an organic wellness farm. It's it's just this beautiful transformation, and I'm seeing it through a lot of people. A lot of people that I know actually, you know, yesterday, it was funny because we, we have, you know, some friends, and their daughter was it was over with us, and then one of the other people came over.
Speaker 1:And before we know it, we had, like, five or six people that were here, and I was getting ready to cook dinner. Said, hey. Let's just do a cookout. Invite you few more people. And before we know it, had probably five adults and and eight children all over.
Speaker 1:And I cooked this huge cookout with sweet corn and sausage and everything, and we're talking to them. And now they're all gonna be homeschooling. And so they decided they're all gonna be homeschooling as part of going back and getting back into their their culture. And so I'm seeing that there's just this interesting shift that's happening of people wanting to go back to the traditional way of doing things. But as you and were talking about on the show on my show we did have recently, it's not being done out of a fear mindset.
Speaker 1:It's not being done out of this thinking of I need to prep. I need to get, you know, five years of food. I need to get, you know, 50,000 rounds of ammo to defend the five years of food. It's obviously, I think those are those are important aspects of survival and everything, but there's a much deeper shift, I think, that's happening. And it's it's amazing to witness it both within our own home, but also within the community we're seeing around us.
Speaker 2:Those are good. Those are good. Let's let's talk a little bit about this conflict of culture that we're facing right now because we are truly in that, I mean, I would frame it spiritually wide gate, narrow gate path where everybody's being told this narrative that you can't stop this future of AI and the fourth industrial revolution, which creates a a false positive. When I say that, it's a it's a start to look at all the things that are done in terms of, quote, winning, in terms of promoting that world because you you've accepted the premise that you can't stop it. And yet as you step into homesteading and trying to get back to the land and starting to provide for yourself, you realize that there's a completely alternate path.
Speaker 2:And that alternate path is taking you into a place of and for me, it's it's spiritual freedom, spiritual peace. What's your thoughts on that?
Speaker 1:Oh, I I think it's deeply connected to the to the spirit. Absolutely. Lewis, I think that if you look at the, say, the fourth industrial revolution, right, you look at what's happening with with AI, with technology, with smart cities, I think what you're seeing is this divergence where you're seeing that there's there's there's almost there's two paths. You're seeing the people that are just embracing the the technology. You know, they're lining up to get their, you know, eyes you know, retina scans so they can get the new, you know, the new digital currency from Sam Altman or, you know, their their and they've got their Alexas in every room, and they're so they're so impressed with it.
Speaker 1:Right? We were looking at cars the other day, and and we're we're car shopping because, and we set one of the cars. The guy's like, oh, check this out. He goes, hey, Google. Do this.
Speaker 1:And and the car respondent is like, okay. Okay. And I'm like, okay. We're not getting this car. Right?
Speaker 1:Like, how do you deactivate that? So you can see that there's people that are they're really embracing it. And, of course, it has its conveniences, but look at what Google as a search engine has done to us. It gives you the convenience of, you know, having this this information brought to you. But now through the censorship and everything and not not to mention the data mining and all that kind of stuff, what what has it taken from us?
Speaker 1:And so I think that, to me, everything I see in the world around, it it boils down primarily into the spiritual battle of is is this good or is it evil? And you can see and what I what I'm seeing is that the evil has really attached itself to this technological development and through this trying to and fundamentally detach people from God's earth. And I think the inverse of that is, you know, say, spending all day staring at a computer screen versus going out and spending spending your day gardening or, you know, tending the chickens or whatever it is. And that's something that we've a change that we've made in our family is that now every day, we try to start with some sort of outside activity. So instead of just starting the day and making coffee and sitting down talking and everything, it's like, no.
Speaker 1:But let's go let's go outside. So we take our girls out. We go let's go monitor the mama, you know, mama chick, know, and her baby chicks. Right? We've got, you know, I think 11 little baby chicks running around in our in one of the the pins we built.
Speaker 1:Or we'll go do some gardening, or we'll go look at the frogs in the little frog pond that I I built. And and and you can see the difference so that when you go out there, all so much of the stress and you mentioned, like, the biofield and and how these programs I imagine even Elon Musk's, you know, this this phone actually, think even AirPods can can can read the biofield. Saw some patents for that. Right? You look at how all of that is able to they can say the phone.
Speaker 1:They can take that phone, and and you can they can probably monitor your interaction on x and measure how your how your energy energetic field is reacting to what you're being fed on x, which is a whole new level of data set that they're gathering on people. And you take that that can quickly kind of pull you into a place of negativity, of fear, of hopelessness, or even of anger or desire or any any of those things. Right? So easy to suck into that. You leave the phone inside and you go out, and hopefully you can see this, you know, see the blue sky that day, you know, dumping chemtrails on us.
Speaker 1:But you go out and you see the sun, you hear the birds. Even last night, my wife and I went and sat. We made some green tea and spent our entire evening sitting on the front porch, just listening to the bugs and listening to little waterfall of the frog pond and just talking. And that's it it was spiritual. You could say it's grounding in a way that it brings you back into into the focus.
Speaker 1:I think that's what I think that's what a lot of the movement is about. It's about getting back to nature, getting back to think what God designed and not what man has designed.
Speaker 2:I I couldn't agree more. And one of the things I've built as a pattern with my dog is we we go walking late. I mean, we I take her out a number of times, but we walk down the driveway usually at 11:30 or 12:30 at night. And she loves it. But I've also kind of walked with her pattern because she likes to sit and watch.
Speaker 2:And so I'll flash my headlamp off. It's a pretty long drive. And I'll pop my headlamp off and we just sit there under the stars or in and then just in the world. And it reminds you of just that place of seeking calm and really what so many people don't have because the world is pretty frenetic and it's it has in many ways gone mad in in in ways. And I think that so much of that is I I make that comparison to someone who say does is a great singer that can hold a frequency and gets the the crystal glass to vibrate.
Speaker 2:And it's not that the glass suddenly breaks, it's the frequency the sustained frequency creates micro cracks within the glass until finally there is a total systemic failure. And so it's not just one explosion as they like to show. It's a a frequency. You can whether you sing or whether it's a generated frequency, that frequency is moving steady and those micro cracks continue to go and grow and grow until it completely fails. And I would say that the risk of that right now is pretty true and pretty real with what we're seeing in society because there's a there's a level of of frequency that's causing this this increasing destabilization of who we truly are.
Speaker 2:And so the real question is, you know, down the way, which it's not I mean, we could hold do a whole show on this, but where does that leave us when things finally when people just finally break? And that's either a good or it's a bad. It depends on how what what the main influences are, which I think gets back to your point of why the root of the homesteading movement is so important. It because it establishes solid anchor points like islands, if you will, around and they're out there, they're scattered, but it's the wisdom that comes from God and comes from our relationship with the land that is held and and is outside of this craziness. Your thoughts?
Speaker 1:I agree completely. I mean, I think that it's interesting because, I like your analogy of the of the glass because I think that that if you get into the Schumann resonance and you get into some of those things, you can see get into HARP and, you know, five g. You know, they have the ability to to do those things. Right? They have the ability on a cellular level, not to mention with all the technology that's inside of our bodies, even even for people that never touched the mRNA technology or anything.
Speaker 1:You're still breathing in nanotech that's being dumped on us, you know, from the skies. Right? So it's you know, obviously, detoxing is very important, but that stuff is all remotely controlled. I mean, they can and it sounds kinda wild, but it's not not for you and, I think, not for your audience that, you know, people that understand, you know, these technologies do exist. And but I I think that that's exactly what what's happening.
Speaker 1:Because I think that they want it to break, and I think that that's what they want. Right? This is the order from chaos. They want to create so much chaos that they can they they they're then forced to come in as the saviors, as the people that will then bring in chaos and say, look, it doesn't know, as you can see, it doesn't make sense to have these sovereign nations. You know?
Speaker 1:The idea of having a nation is so outdated. We need to have one, you know, global centralized rule, one centralized religion to unite everybody, which I think even the religious wars, I think it's all fomented. Right? I think that it's absolutely part of the plan to get the Christians, the Jews, and the Muslims primarily to be so at each other's throats that they they can come in and say, look. As you can see, these religions have reached their end, and and now they're just full of violence and hatred.
Speaker 1:So we're gonna bring in our own religion, the the one world religion. So you can see these these patterns of trying to create enough stresses and fractures that the glass breaks, which I do think is is is the is the plan. Right? And that's the thing is, again, tying into the idea of of homesteading and preparedness. I if you look around at this world as I you know, we talked about earlier and you see how much of it has just been constructed around us, whether it's the science that we're being taught, the the media.
Speaker 1:I mean, almost everything that we're seeing is a is false unless you go out to nature. You go out, you know, barefoot, walk through the woods, and feel the trees, and smell the air. That's real. But so much of what we've has been created around us has been fake. And that's, think, especially post COVID, people are now realizing that.
Speaker 1:It's like, oh, yeah. The government they're they're all liars. They're all fakes and cheats. The the media, it's all fake. The music industry is all fake.
Speaker 1:It's all just part of a social engineering and MKL for programming and all kinds of stuff, subliminal messages, the education system. Like, you you're just we're seeing, you know, the medical system that all this stuff is actually it's it's not actually it's not just fake, but it's it's evil and rotten to the core. And it's being but it's being presented as this this beautiful solution to everything. But I do think, though, that, you know, I'm not like a doomsdayist kind of person where I think all world's gonna die in fire and brimstone. But I do think, though, that if if we believe that in our lifetime that this evil will be purged or there'll be some sort of, you know, I I think kind of flood type event, where the the world is cleansed of this.
Speaker 1:We have to rebuild. Like, we have to get through whatever that phase looks like. And I think the key is getting through it while maintaining our morality and our virtue. Like, that's one of the one of the things I'm really kinda honing in on more now. There's a lot of preppers where it's almost like throw your morality out the window when survival's at stake and shoot your neighbor and whatever it takes.
Speaker 1:Right?
Speaker 2:You know,
Speaker 1:put my mind's in your front yard.
Speaker 2:And Yeah.
Speaker 1:But I but I do think, though, that there's that we are entering into some sort of significant shift that's coming. And and I think that, homesteading and, you know, getting back this way of life, I think, is actually it's it's the way it's the path to get through it. And, anyway, I'll I'll let you respond to that. No. No.
Speaker 1:I think that's that's where I'm at.
Speaker 2:It's good. I mean, and you just kinda it was it used to be survivalists, and then it became preppers. And now the maturing of that is the homesteader because you're what you're trying to do, it's like like you said, I I had this conversation. We had a conversation, but I've also had a conversation with others the same thing. It's like, there's no more desire to like in the original prepping or survivalist, you're gonna build your sniper height and you're gonna have your perimeter and you're gonna have your your long range rifle ready and you're gonna set up your lights and you can't survive as an island.
Speaker 2:It's just not gonna work. And the realization that all of that is is just kind of a a framing around the old world, the old way, the the dying empire, the dying age is all about fear rather than embracing this this unity where we can really get along well. May I
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Speaker 2:This community, mean, here is everybody's kind of on their own, but great neighbors. Like, you wanna count on somebody, just a great example the other night. It's gotta be like 11:00 at night. My neighbor calls me. Is that you down on your property?
Speaker 2:I'm like, no. And he's like, something's going on down there. And he just looked out his window and somebody was down at the end of the party property parked with their lights on and just letting me know. You know, we don't hang out. We don't do barbecues, but it's it's a it's a looking out for each other.
Speaker 2:And that's that sort of respect. If I need help, he's there. But I'm just saying that's kind of everybody doing their own thing, which I think is just a real exemplar place of a community. You are you went jumped into homesteading like all of us. You're actually on your second project, so to speak.
Speaker 2:But I want to kind of I want you to kind of walk through that because in in a small way, I I did community gardens for a long time years ago, then didn't do anything. And then when I moved back to Oregon, I took on the project of building a sustainable small garden and homestead in the back of my in in the backyard of the house down there. And now I'm on to a new project, which is cattle and and chickens and other things. So talk a little bit about your first project of the challenges and some of the lessons learned. Because I think a lot of the times when we talk about homesteading, it seems like it's an easy thing and it's there's it's really for me anyway, I don't wanna speak for you, but I think it for me, it's been there's a lot of trial and error in it that you have to you have to fail to understand how to how to succeed.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So in 2019, early two thousand twenty, my wife and I were living in New York City. I think we're I was we were on the, what, like, 30th Floor. We we were in a high rise apartment in New York City, which I would say is arguably probably one of the worst places you could ever possibly want to live if there's any kind of natural disaster. Right?
Speaker 1:I remember back during sand when Sandy hit, I I lived in the fort 14th Floor of the apartment. The power was out. So I had to walk up and down 14 flights of stairs in a pitch black, you know, kind of service, you know, kinda know, everyone uses the elevator, of course. Right? So, you know, the the this the the service stairs are never used, but that was how you got up and down.
Speaker 1:And it was this realization of, like, oh my gosh. We are so fragile. Now but that was you know, again, that was, you know, Hurricane Sandy. That was quite a while ago. But, you know, so, you know, we were living, I think, living in a high rise building.
Speaker 1:And it's actually early twenty twenty, late twenty nineteen, there were it was kind of like more of like a luxury kind of high rise ahead, like a swimming pool and some of those things like that. There were a lot of young Chinese that were there, which is very common. Right? So, you know, their parents are sending them, you know, to go to school in New York, etcetera, they're they're putting them in in these buildings that have these amenities, like gyms and pools and everything. And around that time, before COVID was even announced in America, we noticed they all started wearing masks.
Speaker 1:And I was like, okay. This is strange. Like, when you're in an elevator with six Chinese that are all wearing masks, it's like, this is not common. Right? There's something going on here.
Speaker 1:And we had been wanting to leave too for a while, and that was when we found that, that my wife was pregnant with our first child. And, so that was the time. So we actually left New York City and and moved back to Ohio. Right? So I grew up in Ohio, and it was kinda like, okay.
Speaker 1:Let's go back to the the countryside. You know, we we rented a few places when we first got back there. Then our first kind of this is, again, this is right during COVID and everything. We bought a a five acre property that was about an hour outside of Columbus. And it was kinda it was kinda rural.
Speaker 1:It was still part of a neighborhood, but it was it was still five acres. We had a big pasture. And and so that but that was during that time. That was, let's say, 2021, 2222. Still COVID was really a big thing.
Speaker 1:There's a lot of fear. There's a lot of fear narratives. That was when the Ukraine war started. There's a lot of the discussion about the chemical fertilizer shortage and food shortages. And so there it was a very fearful time for us.
Speaker 1:And so the we kinda took the approach of prepping, but it was it was we we were very overzealous with it. Like, it was because it was very fear based, we really pushed ourselves to the extreme. You know, like building we we built let's say, one point, had 50 chickens for a family of three, mind you. Like, know, husband and wife and a one year old daughter. Right?
Speaker 1:We had 50 chickens, which was way too many chickens. We built, like, massive gardens. We, you know, we built we we we had a in our house we owned at the time, we had, like, a cement basketball court that the previous owner had built. We turned the entire basketball court into this huge raised bed garden. So I went out and bought all these these big, you know, two by twelves and two by tens and built this huge raised bed garden.
Speaker 1:And we, you know, we had so much food coming in. I took our our whole front yard and turned it all into gardens. We, you know, we built fruit, you know, fruit tree guilds, and, I we we went so over the top with it. And, actually, by the time harvest came around, we couldn't even keep up with that. I'd go out and come back with, you know, two five gallon buckets of peppers and tomatoes, and we had so much food coming back in.
Speaker 1:And but it was a it was very, very fear based, but also what we realized is that we had no community. And and that was one of the big things is that we we had no community. So even though we had all this we had no one to even to give the food to. Mhmm. Like, we maybe knew a couple neighbors, but it was it was very slow to get to know new, you know, get to know new neighbors when you're from an outside area.
Speaker 1:And and so that was one of the big things for us that was was so difficult. It was just that we felt so isolated, and we thought, like, what are we doing all this for? Like, what's what's the purpose? Is our is our plan just to build up, you know you know, you know, we had a couple years worth of stored food. We had a freeze dryer, so I was freeze drying eggs, freeze drying beef.
Speaker 1:You know, were canning. We had a big giant pressure canner. We're doing all this stuff and accumulating all these things. And, you know, of course, Ohio has great gun laws. I'm, you know, every week, there's a thousand rounds of ammo showing up at the front door, you know, and, you know, a new AR 10 and, you know, new shotguns.
Speaker 1:And so, we're, you know, we're we're kind of accumulating all this stuff, but we felt so alone, actually. And and it was because it was from a place of fear. And so, anyway, so, in I think it was about a year and a half ago, we said, look, this isn't the right place for us anymore. And so, we actually so we now live in Upstate New York. I've I've never I've never told anybody publicly what state we live in because I in Ohio, people would show up at our front door.
Speaker 1:They'd figure out where we live somehow, and they they come knocking at door and like, hey. Is this man America's house? How on earth did you figure out where I lived?
Speaker 2:Dude, I've had this.
Speaker 1:And so when yeah. So because my wife and I, we spent most of our adult lives living in New York City and in some parts of Upstate New York, we had actually built this huge network of friends, that, you know and so, anyway, we said, even though it's a blue state know you're you're in Oregon. Right? So you're
Speaker 2:Same thing.
Speaker 1:You understand what it means to kinda be behind enemy lines, but the thing is is that New York is a red state with big blue cities in it, like most states. Right? So in our region, it's it's, you know, it's amazing. There's there's we've got this beautiful, you know, raw milk farm. It's, like, five minutes away from us.
Speaker 1:Beautiful, beautiful people there. So, anyway so about, you know, a year and a half to two years ago, we said, you know, we need to go back to that region because that's where our community was. You know, I had some family that were back in Ohio, but, you know, they had their own lives. They're busy, and it wasn't what we had really thought it was going to be. And, so anyway, so we came back here, And we, bought so we had to kinda start it over.
Speaker 1:And the funny thing is is that the house that we put so much work into back in Ohio ended up like a doctor and his wife bought it, and they hated everything we had done. So they actually like, so as much money and time and effort we put into building all this, they wanted us to, in the clause, give them, like, an allowance to actually dig up all the gardens in their front yard, to get rid of the chicken coop, to tear out the the wood burning stove I put I put in there. Because we had a gas had a gas fireplace. I ripped it out, put in, like, a really great Blaze King wood burning stove. They wanna tear that out.
Speaker 1:So we we dug a well on the property, spent $12,000 digging a well. They wanted to go back to city water. So it was kinda painful because we had this all this stuff, and someone came in that just absolutely hated everything about it, but liked the house and liked the neighborhood. And thankfully, we didn't get to go back and see it because it would've been so depressing that they would've gone in there and just took out everything that we had done, which is just you know, that's just how it works. Right?
Speaker 1:So, anyway, so we ended up about a year a little over a year ago, we bought a property up here. It's, you know, seven acres. Maybe about two and a half to three of it's cleared. The rest is forested, but in a very rural area. And so we've gone through we we took all those lessons learned, back in Ohio, and we've applied them here.
Speaker 1:So we've been way more strategic in terms of constructing our gardens and building, you know, pens for the animals. And and, you know, the the chicken coop, it's like we we built an amazing chicken coop. We poured concrete for the base of the chicken coop, and it's it's bear proof. And so it's it's like we we really did things properly. But what I have to say, though, is that the best thing about coming back here is that we've now found a community again.
Speaker 1:And even when I mentioned that, you know, this couple that we're very good friends with, we've known for fifteen, twenty years, Three minutes down the road, four minutes down the road, they've got a 12 acre organic garden, or organic farm, wellness farm. So, we go over there, they've got vegetables and plants coming out. They got greenhouses, and you know, they do weddings and, you know, they do, host events. Actually, we'll probably end up doing some meetups there, which will be lovely to do. But so we've come back to this region, and actually, was interesting because in the journey of preparedness, I feel like I went through it backwards.
Speaker 1:It's like, okay, step one, secure my water. Okay, then secure the food. Make sure I can protect it with a gun. Make sure I got enough ammunition. Learn how to use that.
Speaker 1:So, we kinda went from the very, very raw survival out. And, actually, the last thing it was like it was almost an afterthought was the importance of community. But, actually, that's been the first thing for us here. And, obviously, we're still doing gardens, and we've still got a lot of our food stores and all those things that are very important to us that we've done. We've built up the, you know, a lot of supplies to you know, so if we have to live, you know, without any any any external inputs of food, we can we can survive for a couple of years if we had to.
Speaker 1:Right? But what's key, though, is that we started to establish a community here. And I think that's the thing that is so easy for people to overlook when they start getting, like, that survivalist mentality is they overlook how important the community is. And somewhere you know, we have neighbor we have neighbors that you know, know, we're not doing barbecues with them, but one of my neighbors has probably two acres of just firewood, and that's his main thing. He's a firewood guy.
Speaker 1:So he charges I think he charged $282,180 bucks for a quart of firewood delivered, which was fantastic. The other neighbor right across the street from him, right around the street from us, you know, she's a retired nurse. It's like, okay. I've I've put that in my mind. Okay.
Speaker 1:She's a nurse. So we're we're starting to kind of meet these neighbors and build this community, but then we go within five or ten minutes of our house, and now we know we've got the farm stand. We've got the you know, we had the milk farm where we get our our raw milk. We've got, you know, the other friends that own this farm. Like, we we're really starting to assemble this community.
Speaker 1:So even if I need you know, Sam, I'm doing some solar work or whatever, and I need a hand, I've got 10 different people I can call and say, hey. Can you come over for a couple of hours and help me put these panels up? I they're too heavy for me. And we have that now. And that's I'd say this this is the most amazing part about the process is actually reconnecting in that community, not to mention the homeschool community too.
Speaker 1:That's one of reasons we wanted to come back here is now it's you know, we'll we'll tell our friends, hey. We're doing a party for something, and we'll have 20 or 30 kids show up. And and they love coming over to our house because we've got the frog pond. We got the chickens. We've got dogs.
Speaker 1:We've got kittens. We had goats. We we had goats for a couple of months, but actually ended up getting rid the goats because it just it wasn't the right arrangement. I got really sick because of the goats too, which is a whole different story. But anyway, so it's yeah.
Speaker 1:So this this is where we're at now. And so we took all those lessons learned. But I think that, again, like, the biggest lesson, I think, is that, like, community has to be first because, like, one of the the things that you'll you'll discover when you're reading any kind of survival, you know, advice books or, you know, novels or whatever, no one ever survives alone. No one ever survives if they're just that one family trying to hold down their entire property. It just doesn't work.
Speaker 1:You need to have the community.
Speaker 2:Citrus, there was a piece that I came across. It was during COVID. It was really eye opening. It was written by a survivor of the civil war in in Serbia and in Bosnia, and that was the takeaway. It didn't matter how much ammo you had.
Speaker 2:Ammo just became a a trade commodity to get food. Didn't matter how much gold you had. In fact, it didn't mean anything because it was even worse worth less than than ammo because ammo was that piece, but it was the community that allowed them to survive. And we we forget that key component. I'm agreeing with you a 100%.
Speaker 2:A lot of your discussion was very much my pathway in the first garden and and that first homestead section I built aggressively. And it was so much like you're talking about. It's like, you know, maximize everything, double dug beds, high density planting, add as many capacities within the space as possible from from terracing the back part of the property to create big beds, build a greenhouse over it, do the, you know, put in the extra water supplies, which is good. It's good either way, but everything you could possibly do. Grow bags in every other place I could put them, everything we could do.
Speaker 2:He put in the wood stove, which was good, which ironically, the weather has been such that don't think my parents have used the wood stove, but just a couple of times. Right? But that's all fine, but I'm just saying that I'm I'm with you, you know, including buying new guns and stacking ammo and adding my ham radios and and every chance you get just like it just seemed like deliveries between UPS and and the mailman and Amazon flow or or FedEx was just a constant flow in and out of the house just to bring stuff in as I'm working. Up here, that pivot has really been different. It's a different pace, you know, and it's a lot less urgency.
Speaker 2:My my dad the hand off to having my dad do the garden, is awesome to see, and I enjoy watching it because he's now tailoring it to their lifestyle. It's just two of them. It's with me, it's three. We had the same problem. I had the same problem growing way too much food and then you don't have the outlet to bring it.
Speaker 2:It's like, okay, we'll bring it down to the why where people have stuff out there, you know? And because the other other folks in the in the grow stuff in the community are all self sufficient anyway. So it's we have some of that in there. So definitely a change in mentality. And then when you get back to the principles of community and and that's really the core.
Speaker 2:I mean, as an example, it's this goes back to maybe even three years. Early on with taking on cattle, that was that's been a whole journey. But I got the the guy that was helping me told me, be careful when you get out in the lower field, it's pretty wet. Just and he was careful with his truck. I I have a Jeep, so who cares.
Speaker 2:Right? I can four wheel drive my way through anything. And I go down on this lower pasture and I'm bringing in hay and I feed the hay and then I've got the trailer behind the Jeep. Well, it is straight up gumbo down there in the fall and winter and I buried my Jeep. And so I'm out there with my winch and running that and trying to run straps and my phone rings.
Speaker 2:Scott, this is Paul. Like, what's going on, Paul? And he's like, are you stuck out in that field? And he's way over on the hill. I go, yeah.
Speaker 2:He goes, one of my guys looked over and thought you were. He said, I'll be over in a minute. So he comes over with his with his vehicle. My dad came out. I don't know how that he think he called me and said, how are you doing?
Speaker 2:I'm like, not good. So he comes out. So we and it suddenly we have this instant community. Right? And we got the Jeep out.
Speaker 2:Trailer sat for the whole winter until I got to the spring. I was like, I'm not gonna touch it. I'll leave it. But it's again, it's those are the moments when you realize, like, you really have good neighbors, you know, and good a good community around you. It's and mine here, like I said, isn't defined.
Speaker 2:I I think what you have is fantastic. It sounds amazing with the connection between families and children and homeschooling. Here is nobody has kids out here. So it's it's not that that's a negative. It's just that everybody has everybody's trying to just get their stuff done on their property and but always ready to help.
Speaker 2:And my neighbor up the road I had a calf drop, a twins drop and I had one that was stillborn. And I I'm out of my league on this. And I call him and he's like, call his wife, both of them. And she was busy and she's like, hang on. Ed's available.
Speaker 2:And so Ed jumps on the side by side, just races down the hill. And so he's coaching me from the roadside as I'm on the other side in the field and he's telling me like, this, do that. You know, it's just, that's just the way we survive and how we come together. And at the core of like you're saying, it's it's the root of great homesteading, but more than that, it's the root of where we're stepping into, I believe, in the direction we have to go.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. And it it's interesting because, well, so many things to dig into, but, I feel like I I do and maybe it just is me. I'm not sure, you know, your sense, but I I just have this sense that within my lifetime, probably within the next, say, five or ten years, there's going to be some sort of very significant shift in humanity. You could say it's akin to a flood. Right?
Speaker 1:That's why, you know, I'm writing a book called Prep Like Noah, which which which we can talk about if you want to at some point. But it's it's the idea that there's something coming. And but I I believe that whatever it is that's coming is a thousand percent part of God's plan. And so I don't think, though, that as much as I've gotten into, like, you know, different disastrous scenarios like EMP and all these different things that that really wipe out so many people and turn neighbor against neighbor because everyone's starving. And I I just I just had this feeling that whatever's coming, it's not gonna be something that was going to turn everyone into heathens and survivalists.
Speaker 1:I think it's something that will disrupt our life as we know it, because it needs to be disrupted, because we're living in a fallen wicked world. So it needs to be changed. The flood has to come and wipe out this evil. However, I really believe that that part of the process, part of this change is going to be taking humanity and returning it back to the path of tradition and back the path of human culture. And that's why I I think that even this sense of, you know, what I'm so, obviously, I've had the podcast, you know, for for some time and covering a lot of, you know, geopolitics, which I'll contain that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1:But I'm really feeling like that the next couple of years, I'm I'm be focusing a lot more on community building, a lot more on trying to teach people about preparedness, the importance of it, but not not in a fearful way. Right? But, also, I think that if you look at these these scenarios, these different kind of disaster scenarios, one or two things can happen. One is that everyone turns against each other, and you've got complete chaos and and and raping and looting and pillaging and murder. I think the other is that what you have is you have communities that then turn inward on themselves, and they and they strengthen.
Speaker 1:And I think that that's the path that we're on. Is it whatever is whatever is it it is that's kinda coming, whether it's a solar flare or a pole shift or whatever it is, I just I just have this feeling deep inside of me that it's going to be something that's gonna disrupt everything that we know. These evil systems will collapse amidst it, but and it's certainly gonna be difficult. Like, I think the people that are just are not preparing, and right now, they're spending their extra time watching Monday night football, and, you know, maybe they're gonna be caught off guard. And and but still, I think that they're good people.
Speaker 1:There's still hope for them. Right? Because if it was only the thing is is that, say, there's some sort of cataclysmic event. If the only determining factor of who survives was how we we prepared, how well, you know, you've in building your bunker, we're all screwed. Because I can't afford a a $100,000,000 bunker like Mark Mark Zuckerberg.
Speaker 1:Right? If that was the case, only the elites would survive, and and they're certainly preparing. But I do think that it's something that, I think, you know, again, by God's hand will will change so much of what this world is, but I think that it will be done in a way that that difficulty will forge communities. I think that it will forge people in a way that it brings us back together. It it really will make us human again.
Speaker 1:And not human in terms of, like, the fallen human, but actually human in the way that God designed us. Strong communities, strong moral foundations. Because I think a lot of what's led to the moral decay in this country has been the lack of disasters. It's been the comfort. It's been the the complacency, the entertainment, the bread and circuses.
Speaker 1:And I think that when all that is taken away, that we will get back to a place that maybe is more difficult and more difficult way of life, but the average person won't be arguing over how many genders there are or, you know, which politician is gonna help save things. It's people who just be coming together and and and working together as communities. And that's why I feel like that my calling at this stage of this journey is to try to to bleed into that even more and talk have these conversations. You talk about the importance of community as we see it. Because there's there's a lot of people that maybe they fear they see something about a pole shift, or they see the Maui fires and these things, and they get really scared.
Speaker 1:And they think, okay, we gotta make sure we have food, and they aren't hearing this kind of message. You go to YouTube, and you go you search for preparedness, and it's very fear based. Right? It's very And it's also okay. Make sure you have these 10 items that I get a commission on.
Speaker 1:Right? This is the whole video. But I think that there's gonna be a different shift that what you and I are talking about I have a feeling that you and I say in two or three years, we could look back on this conversation and we could say, man, you know, we were both sensing something. We didn't we didn't know what it was, but we were both sensing something that was coming. I think now at that time, maybe we'll see what it is.
Speaker 2:One of the things I've I remark on to myself, I may have mentioned it to you, and I think we talked about it pre show last week, but it's to your point exactly, there's very few people that I encounter that you arrive with not just the conclusion, but the process of getting there is so similar. I mean, a lot of the things you talk about are very native to what we talk about here. The process and stepping, the whole seeing of the picture of where we're going. One of those things that I think is happening right now is that as we go through this shift, I think people need to take a step back and realize what it's doing to them. If you're really gonna be focused on that community and moving forward versus being feeling the torsion and the tension in a system that is torquing you, it you're going to start seeing the eruptions.
Speaker 2:Here, we see it already. It's happening. And it's really with those places, especially in the in the this very frenetic environment of the web, it's so important to take a step back and get to the land and really feel the feet on the ground to get that anchoring because this is a there is a big shift coming. I I 100% agree with you. It's coming like a freight train.
Speaker 2:I think it's obvious by all the indications. I mean, I I even say many times it's I even wonder sometimes if most of the elites are gone and they're just using the technologies now to simulate that they're here, which is quite possible. And then give us the illusion there's leadership, but that leadership is all intended to keep us in conflict so they can roll over the new control grid. Right? But it's only controls you as much as you're willing to step into it.
Speaker 2:And it's and that's where that line of trust in God and trust in in in faith and community and really building on that center of where there's just love and respect for one another is a completely different area of living. It's it's literally that split. And when we get there, there's so much more liberty and freedom that exists within that space. I think you've been describing that a lot. Let's talk a little bit about the principles of homeschooling because that's obviously a big topic for you and your community.
Speaker 2:Are are you looking at this in terms of, like, you homeschooling alone, or are you coming up with, like, community sharing pods or things like that?
Speaker 1:Well, we're still early in the process just because we have a one year old and a four year old. So even our four year old, we're, you know, we're in no rush to start trying to introduce a curriculum. Right? You know, to me, it's like the the homeschool lessons for her are, hey. Let's go take care of the chickens together.
Speaker 1:Let's go weed the garden. Let's go let's go pick some food, let's go look at the frogs in the pond. Or we're walking on a path and say, hey. Look. What what plant is that?
Speaker 1:June. She goes, oh, that's poison ivy. Okay. Yep. You got it.
Speaker 1:There's the three leaves. You should say, what does that sound like? Oh, what does it sound like? Is that an owl? No.
Speaker 1:It's a dove. That's what you hear in the day. Because owls are gonna hear at nighttime because they're nocturnal. What's that mean? So a lot of what they that's what a lot of it is right now is just, the learning through going through life.
Speaker 1:Know, my wife right now, she's at the grocery store with our four year old. And I'm sure, you know, she's also been trying to do this more too and kinda teaching. Well, this is how this works, and this is how that works. And so that's part of it. I think that in realizing that you are your child's greatest teacher, whether you want to be or not as a parent, you're the greatest teacher they're gonna have.
Speaker 1:And so so we're we're we're still figuring out a lot of these specifics of how we're gonna go about things. But one thing that we definitely want to do, this is what it's what's really great that we're finding this is that we wanna build a homeschooling community. And not like we're gonna start one. Mean, there's other there's communities that exist. We have lot of friends.
Speaker 1:Mean, because between just the friends that we have in this area, we probably have, you know, 10 families that have kids that are, you know, under, say, eight or 10 years old. And so and there's probably 30 or 40 kids. And so even with that small community, we plan on doing, you know, even, like, every week, we're gonna have a homeschool day. Maybe maybe we we rent some rental place or something like that where everyone goes together, there's a little lesson in the curriculums. Even our property, there's you know, part of what we wanna do with our properties.
Speaker 1:We wanted our property to be the place that maybe once a week, we have a homeschooling day here where we take the kids out and say it's, you know, fall, and it's a fall harvest. So we'll take the kids out, and we'll show them how to harvest the vegetables. Here's how you tell, you know, if a tomato is ripe or not. Here's how you pick a bean without ripping the whole plant off out of the ground, right, from little kids, obviously. And so we're still figuring out, but what we've what we've come to is that we don't wanna be homeschooling in isolation.
Speaker 1:Like, that's something we know. Like, we we really want to have our children growing up around other children as much as possible because they they learn so much, but we also don't want that to happen through dropping them off at a at a bus stop and having them leave our oversight, even go to a nice private school. Right? There's some, you know, Waldorf schools around here. Believe the Waldorf schools are they're teaching a lot the LGBTQ stuff we're finding in the curriculums.
Speaker 1:And so even we wouldn't even trust those schools. So but I think that very at the very foundation of those, we want to be able to regardless of what curriculum, what path, we wanna be able to do together with other families and other children. Because and and to me, that's what we're seeing. You know, having kids is one of the best ways of building community because even for, you know, families that we know, say there's a stay at home mom and that she's got two kids she's homeschooling. If she has a chance to come over to to visit our house and we make her some tea and I make her a nice coffee and the kids are out playing in the yard together, It's it's it's, like, the best day for that mom who's looking for a ways to get out of the house.
Speaker 1:And so that's what we're trying to do is really lean into that and create much more of that community where there's no it's not isolated, actually. You know, that that's that's how we're approaching it.
Speaker 2:I think it's good. I I had I have two adopted sons, and I homeschooled them for a couple of years, but it was just me.
Speaker 1:Really?
Speaker 2:And it was that takes us back to the nineties. So but it was it was grueling. I mean, it's a huge commitment. There was this is pre Internet the way we have today. It was, you know, getting up early, a little lot of PBS programming, a lot of studies that I would and then just whatever I was making my own curriculum as we go, so on a daily basis.
Speaker 2:And it was everything you say, we included. I was I was managing a community garden, so that became part of it. Kitchen activities became part of it. Daily life and and became part of it with martial arts, all of these things I was leading. But it's very demanding.
Speaker 2:And so one of the things I talk about frequently is what you just hit on, which is if you aren't homeschooling, you can help build community or help support in different ways. Some of that may be just helping with curriculum. Some of it is connecting other people. Some of it is offering yourself to teach a day for a mom or something like this. It's all really important because in that that is where really the the root of the great homeschooling was is when there's a measure of community, even if you were in the communities a ways away, but that would be the the adventure to do that.
Speaker 2:And and it's something we really it's for me, it's one of the critical nodes in this new step of getting the children away from the indoctrinated programming that is so endemic because it's it's hitting them young. It's crushing their their joy, it's crushing their innocence, it's also crushing their inspiration and creativity, and it's shaping and boxing it in so much. And then there's nothing more inspiring than to see a young child into an environment where they can explore and they can do things in so many ways.
Speaker 1:It's it's so important. It was also one of the things that I'm I'm I'm, you know, really realizing. So I've you know, I went to art school, but I was very much so just an entrepreneur, you know, and did did did a lot of work in, in media, worked with the Epoch Times. That was really kind of passion driven, you know, right out of college. But that's one the other things too is that I well, for one, especially because we we've got two girls, you know, I I want them to just know that if if their only aspiration in life is just to be the best mother possible, I will support that fully.
Speaker 1:A 100%. Right? That that's the in my opinion, that it's the best thing that they could strive for is just to raise the next generation. And but beyond that, though, what you realize is that the regular curriculum of school, it's all about just building slaves. It's all about building people that as you look you know, when Rockefeller took over the education in, you know, early early nineteen hundreds, it was all about building people that wouldn't threaten their power position.
Speaker 1:People that would just be good little factory workers. It show up at doing work. Now it's you know, they they go they show up, and they go sit in their cubicles and do their work. And so that's another thing too, is that I'm really looking forward to I've I've been really trying to integrate these things into some of the early lessons I've been teaching my daughter, my four year old, is this the idea of entrepreneurship and showing it's like so she certainly grasped the idea of money. Right?
Speaker 1:Like, oh, like, you can buy that. It's like, okay. If you do this chore, here's a dollar, and she can buy a squishy toy with that dollar, right, if we go to the store. But that's one of the other things too is that I'd love for, you know, say by the time they're 10 years old, they might you know, let's say 10 and seven, maybe they've got a little Etsy store. There's some and they're selling things.
Speaker 1:Like, I really want to to grow them into people that aren't limited with the thinking that they have to go get a job somewhere. It's like, no. You can create your own wealth. Right? Like, don't don't be burdened by that.
Speaker 1:Like and that's and that's also one of the important things I wanna make sure that whatever direction we're we're going through with the homeschooling, that it's building that type of thinking. Like, that's really, really important. The thinking that they can actually like, through their creativity and through their ability to sell and to negotiate, they can they can expand, and they're not limited in the same way that many people are limited thinking that, gosh, they've had the same what what's my resume look like? I've had the same job for twenty years, and gosh, I I can't I can't go create a business. Like, I can't lose my four zero one k.
Speaker 1:It's the golden handcuffs that they trap so many people. So I I really hope that a lot of the lessons that we can teach will, help them see beyond that.
Speaker 2:It's really good. You're you've, in the past, anyway, were pretty big on gold and silver. I think you still are. This new economy obviously is just fast forwarding into the the whole digital space and and pushing it very quickly. When you start looking at that direction, how are you what's your mindset in terms of homesteading and keeping true to true money and possibly alternative economies?
Speaker 1:Well so I'm I'm I'm definitely I'm not a a crypto person, like, at all for a lot of reasons. I mean, for one, I I think that I I think that, you know, it might offend some of your listeners perhaps.
Speaker 2:Oh, no. Because they know what mean. I'm so anti crypto.
Speaker 1:Okay. Yeah. So, like, I I think that Bitcoin was was created by the government. You know? I think it was created by whether it NSA or, the agencies as a way to, to basically introduce digital digital currency, to get people excited about digital currency.
Speaker 1:I think it was also one of the ways of getting people to again, if you look at what the process of the corruption by the elites has been, it is a process of getting us to exchange real things for fake things, getting us to exchange our hard earned labor for a four zero one k tied to the stock market, right, that they have complete control over. You know, getting us to trade real things for fiat currency, you know, the the the numbers in a bank account that they can slowly or actually quickly these days degrade the value of through inflation and through overprinting. So I think that, you know, to me, that that crypto has been if you look at, for instance, some of statistics of how many how many households own gold or silver now versus, say, fifty years ago, It's kinda the same trend as how many houses had a garden before. Right? I mean, I mean, how many families were in farming before?
Speaker 1:And so I think that a lot of the the people, the younger people, especially that should be taking their hard earned money and putting it into things like gold and silver and land, they've got caught up in putting it into crypto. And it's things like, well, yeah, of course, you know, people say that everyone wants crypto, and so there's there's that desire. There's the that creates the value of it and look how high Bitcoin is. But, you know, once you say Bitcoin won't be at, you know, $5,000 a coin in a year. What happens if there's some sort of grid down scenario for a couple of months and no one can even access their Bitcoin?
Speaker 1:What's gonna happen then? Right? So that that's my perspective from that. But with the, yeah, with the girls, especially with with June, my older one, I've I've taken her. I've shown her, so, okay, this is you know, see, these are my silver coins.
Speaker 1:I've got you know, I've always got a 10 ounce bar of silver sitting on my desk, and so I'll occasionally show it to her and say, look. This is real. This is silver. This is a real precious metal. Even, you know, if if she does really well, I might give her, like, a a silver quarter.
Speaker 1:Right? Here's a, you know, like, a nineteen sixties quarter. This is silver, so make sure you save it. So I'm starting to bring that into bring it in. But, yeah, that's a big thing.
Speaker 1:I think it's it's also a big aspect of of the education is, you know, creature from creature creature from from Jack Wyland. Obviously, I'm not gonna be reading her the book when she's six years old. You know? It's she ought to be the most boring book ever for her, I but think it's also important because I think that we have to decouple ourselves from that way of thinking. I think as an adult, I'm still stuck in that level of thinking.
Speaker 1:As much as I know about these things, it's like, you know, my framework was built on this. So that's one of the hopes, is just, you know, kinda educating them on what is real what is real money, what is real value, and and even, you know, educating, you know, on, like, you know, credit cards and and dollar bills. Like, these are fake. They're fiat. Right?
Speaker 1:It means that it's fake currency. And, of course, you can use it to buy things, but, yeah, I think that that's that's a central thing, actually, in terms of my overall plan in education is just to help them understand the monetary system, but also understand how it's been absolutely weaponized against us and why it's not good to go into debt and, you know, the the struggles that, you know, I've had going to debt and getting out of debt and all these things. Like, those are those are crucial, crucial lessons.
Speaker 2:Tucker Carlson just did an interview with, I think it's called prince Guy that wrote the book, Princess or Prince of the Yen or something like that. Anyway, it's stunning. I I'm drawing a blank on his name. It's stunning interview when he's actually proven that individual banks create money by credit extension. So there's actually it's not the idea that we think that the Federal Reserve generates the money or central banks, but individual banks do, which just creates this extension of a Ponzi scheme beyond beyond anything we can comprehend.
Speaker 2:Real money is a it's and what you're saying here is really solid because it's it's just back into the tangible. And and I'm with you. We don't think that way because we didn't grow up that way. Right? We don't think in terms of having coin in our pocket, like real silver, real gold in our pocket.
Speaker 2:And yet my grandfather knew that and my my grandmother knew that and my great great grandfather and great great grandmother. So it is it is truly a reset in a different way. And I think what you're talking about is pretty fantastic. Just to highlight something you said, I looked it up as you were talking. And this is a pretty stunning statistic.
Speaker 2:Currently, approximately 55% of US households now have a garden and which translates to about 71,500,000 households or represents over 185,000,000 people. That is a huge shift from the awareness of where we were. In fact, The United States now ranks third in countries in the world for gardening. How's that? Wow.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Incredible. It would have been incredible. And I think what the testimony to that is, as you've spoken about it and I've spoken about it and many others, I'm not I'm not isolating, but it's it's the it's a it's quite frankly a feel good moment where you're like, you're part of helping something grow in such a positive way. The the Victory Gardens, obviously under Eleanor Roosevelt, which was originally test run or or done in a small way in World War one, but then she picked up program in World War II.
Speaker 2:The group that fought her was the agriculture department because they were afraid that people would out produce commercial agriculture. At the end of World War II, The US commercial agriculture had produced 10,000,000 tons of food. At the end of World War two, US households had produced equally 10,000,000 tons of food. And with this comes the other problem though, and I think this is where homesteading is a big shift, is food waste. And this is the one that just drives me nuts.
Speaker 2:Here's a statistic for you. Americans currently waste 108,000,000,000, with a b, pounds of food per year, and the trends are on the rise. And then that gets to so that's according to a source, The United States discards nearly 60,000,000 tons or 120,000,000,000 pounds of food every year, which is estimated to be almost 40% of the entire US food supply. And it is. It's a that has lost touch and this is why this gets back to the moral and spiritual root of homesteading.
Speaker 2:Because when you grow it and tend to it and you see it, you don't cast it away. You don't you don't waste it. It's a it's a real to me, this is an incredible statistic that gives us a glimpse of a society separated from the land and literally living in a in a decadent perspective that there's an unlimited supply and you can just do as you will with it. And and it's such a such a tragedy when we start looking at this because we know that that statistic, like you said, in three years or five years, we look back on a show like this and we're like, look what we are talking about. In three years or five years, you look back on a show like this and look at those numbers again, and it might be the difference.
Speaker 2:Those numbers might have represented people living or dying. Where it's really that critical. And we already have that problem. We have children that are suffering food scarcity in this country right now. We have massive amounts of homelessness.
Speaker 2:And again, I'm with you that whatever is going to happen has to the entire system has to be shaken, whether that's to tear it all down or whatever that is. But we have to get to a place again where we value one another and value some of the essentials, which is like this, like, wasting us. In the seventh pillar of county by county is conservation and stewardship, and it speaks right to things like this, this statistic where you're literally looking at the waste you have and just taking it for granted. Even the rules and regulations around food that is they throw out at a store or food that they they throw out at a at a restaurant and how you can't reuse it. You know, a buddy of mine would and I was down in Georgia and I was living with him on a on a ranch or a farm, And then I was raising a pig down there while we were there.
Speaker 2:And he would go out and get bread from the day old and bring it in. And then they they it was lauded out. So it'd be like $40 for a a massive truckload of day old bread. Of course, you bring them back, you're like, well, there's like 10 loaves that are nearly perfect, but say they're off by whenever that expiration date is or may some not even off by expiration. They just got they didn't sell and they're clearing inventory.
Speaker 2:So again, it's just this this massive amount of waste that we get accustomed to, and we and we don't manage it well. And I think that, you know, maybe speak to that a little bit on the homestead, how that mindset changes so much.
Speaker 1:Well, it's crazy because as you're you're saying that I'm thinking, I don't think that we raised we we don't waste a single morsel of food in our household. And the reason being, not because, you know, we eat all of our food for every single meal. We scrape our plates clean, especially with a one year old and a four year old. Half it ends up on the floor. Half it's on my shirt somehow.
Speaker 1:You know, half of it's, you know, not eaten. But the when you when you have the the systems that you can set up with it with this even a small homestead, it doesn't doesn't require seven acres of land. You can do it with a tiny little setup. It's like, Food scraps from cooking, go to the compost, go to the chickens. The leftover watermelon, you know, you get a big watermelon, cut it up and for a party, and half it's still there.
Speaker 1:Chickens love the watermelon. So that now that that watermelon is turning into my eggs, which is great. We have a big, you know, big compost. So everything that you actually, the compost is in the chicken yard. So everything goes into the compost.
Speaker 1:The chickens are it's great. They go through they scratch everything up. They'll pick at what they wanna eat, and the rest of it gets turned into compost. We've got a worm bin. So, you know, we have a I think it's it's like a hungry bin or something like that that my that Kate, my wife, manages.
Speaker 1:So a lot of the scraps go into worm bin, which then then creates worm tea, which is an amazing fertilizer for our our our our, you know, plants. The dogs get their fair share. So that that steak bone that, you know, that t bone steak with the fat, and you can't get you can't, like, kinda carve it all off, whatever, or you just have leftovers. Right? Because sometimes you're eating and you're like, oh my gosh.
Speaker 1:I'm just I'm way too full, and I I feel sick if I eat the rest of that. Well, the dogs, they're gonna love it. We got two Labrador retrievers. Like, they they love eating it. Makes them healthy because it's it's nice organic, you know, non mRNA meat that we're eating.
Speaker 1:And if if they're if they're not gonna eat it, maybe the cats are gonna eat it. So there's there's you you create these systems where it's like, of course, you know, we try to eat as much as we can. We try to waste food on a plate. But sometimes, especially with kids, you you will have that waste. But it's it's beautiful having your own system.
Speaker 1:And even if we go out to eat, say we have leftovers, nine times out of 10, we'll we'll take it all to go. Like, actually, put that all in a box for us. And, like, really? This is scraps. Like, pizza crust or whatever.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's good for the chickens. So, like, everything like, that's the way to me, like, that that's not waste, actually. Again, yeah, maybe it's waste from from the perspective that it's food that someone else could have eaten, but the thing is is that we're turning it into eggs.
Speaker 1:We're turning it into fertilizer. We're turning it into compost that then helps us produce healthier food and healthier, you know, plants that come back the next year. And so that's that's how we look at it. And that's just the amazing thing about having just a little small homestead. Even if you have a couple of chickens, couple of chickens, a small garden, a little compost bin, it's all it takes even for, you know, a small sized family to no longer have
Speaker 2:I understand. Agree. We just pulled out six dump truck loads of cattle muck out of the lower pasture. Now is I'm not I don't have that level of composting setup that's coming. Right?
Speaker 2:But what's
Speaker 1:Yeah. That's a lot to deal with.
Speaker 2:I'm not kidding. But fortunately, my neighbor had the dump truck and he does have the capacity. So it was an easy trade and he brought he brought the dump truck over and loaded it up and then he got the compost waste. And there that's again too just a reflection of an alternate economy because it's all of that is working together for who benefits and nothing again is wasted. I think everything that you mentioned, which is important, it's not waste.
Speaker 2:It's it's a process of a living ecosystem that we're talking about in homesteading and increasingly kind of come to that place of how do we better use everything. I'm I'm with you. I don't you don't waste anything. The dogs will always get at the end of the day what's what no one else wants. They usually want it.
Speaker 2:The chickens are actually great weeders and and great in use of anything of extra fruit or vegetables you have. They're just gonna consume it. And and the cattle just are normal, their process, you know, they're gonna they're gonna graze and their cycle that and that's another thing that's interesting is the the misconception about cattle about and why I like to say I'm primarily carnivore, but being carnivore is actually truly being vegetarian because cattle eat grass, grass gets converted to something our bodies can use, which is beef, and then we eat the beef. So we're not able to process a lot of these as a true vegetarian or like a cow has three stomachs. And when you look at grass, how much it takes to process that grass and break it down, it takes three stomachs to do it.
Speaker 2:Right? So there's a there's a real interesting thing when you start to get back into the balance of all things, of how everything does feed in. Nothing is wasted. If I had pigs, there's even less waste. As one of the things that and and as we're moving towards probably this next year, I've been it depends on how quickly I get it done, but eventually there's gonna be a butchery on the farm, on the ranch.
Speaker 2:And one of those things to look at, obviously, when you have the guts and so forth from the cows is what you have to deal with that waste. And you can compost some of it, but it's also in within, like, feeding it over time. It's great food for pigs. So even though I'm not a pig farmer, it it opens opportunity up down the way to look at that as a possible use of a natural recycling, which just, again, helps things overall. So there is a there is a balance in everything we do, and I think that's the realization when you're the separation and realization.
Speaker 2:When you're on Homestead, the realization how everything has part of the ecosystem, and when you're living into the city world where there's no connection, there's really no other thing. You either eat it or you throw it away. And if you don't like it, there's nothing else to do with it. So it ends up in the garbage, which is a real tragedy. Just not that's one of the probably the biggest testimonies of the failure of the modern state, in my opinion.
Speaker 1:Oh, absolutely. And I lived that. In New York City. Mean, I rarely cooked at home, ate almost every meal out, you know, or or got to go or delivery. And it all cut it shows up, and it just it's in all this Styrofoam and plastic and and aluminum packaging, which ends up just go shove it down the trash chute in your apartment building.
Speaker 1:And it just I mean, as much as, you know, the controllers or, you know, the elite I don't like using the word elites because it's it's like it gives it too much too much credit to them. But as much as they they talk about the green agenda and everything, know, putting people into cities is one of the worst things you could possibly do. Those things can generate so much waste because you have no systems for this. But you live out in the country, it's it's it's like it's exactly it. It's what we're talking about.
Speaker 1:Now, of course, you know, we waste there's packaging that things come in, and those get wasted, and you need to throw them away or, you know, burn the cardboard or whatever it is. But the the the idea that when you're living integrated with the land, especially if you start getting into permaculture and setting up, you know, sustainable and and renewable systems like that, it's it's just it's incredible how much bounty that that God gives you. I remember actually it was kind of disappointing when remember, you know, when Trump was first getting in, and they had Joel Salatin was being kind of tapped for some stuff. I was saying, gosh, imagine if if America can kind of start stepping away with this giant, you know, Bayer Monsanto monocrop agriculture and start introducing permaculture. And if you look at permaculture farms and, you know, on an acre of land, they'll produce more than what 15 acres will produce of monocrop agriculture.
Speaker 1:It's just there's so much bounty there. And so I think that, again, it's just one of those lessons like, okay, Seth. Don't rely on the government to do it. They're not gonna do it. Right?
Speaker 1:They're still owned by big pharma. They're still owned by big ag, by big food, but but do it in in the small community. And that's that's key.
Speaker 2:As we kind of bring things to a close, let's really dig however much you want to talk about it. But I think a great way to kind of pull this all together is your book that's coming. And and that's prep like, it was a prep like, what what is it? Yeah. Prep like Noah.
Speaker 2:So go ahead and talk a little bit about it. I think it's exciting. I've seen the cover of it. It's a great cover, by the way. Nice design.
Speaker 2:Did you do that?
Speaker 1:Thank you.
Speaker 2:I did Yeah. So that's a lot of good. So
Speaker 1:Thank you.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Talk about that.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah. Well, so it's interesting because the initial idea was to create, like, a 20 page ebook and just just kinda give out for people and say, you know, you know, kind of a basic guide to prepping. But it it got much deeper, and it it started to get more tied into a lot of what we're talking about, this spiritual feeling. And the thing is is that, you know, I've if you said, Seth, what is your favorite kind of book to read or listen to?
Speaker 1:It's books about preparedness. Right? Which you know, typically, I'm listening to audiobooks, of, you know, novels, you know, nonfiction novels, or is it no. Sorry. Fiction novels, about EMP scenarios or I I I'm fascinated by the by these these books.
Speaker 1:They're very I find very entertained to kind of walk through what this family does for, like, the first five years after an EMP goes off. Right? Because they're all always they're written by experts, and you learn so much. And but whether it's those or whether it's the other books that are, you know, the Prepping one zero one books, rarely is there any any aspect of spiritual or higher calling that's worked into that. They're they're very much so survivalist.
Speaker 1:And so the idea with crap like Noah is I I do feel like that we are in the days of Noah. You look back at, you know, what was happening, the genetic modification, the the blending of species, the evil that was rampant. I mean, I think that we are living in the days of Noah. I think a lot of people that especially your listeners would probably agree with that. And so the the premise of it is it's fundamentally it's it's really kinda written to be a prepping one zero one guide.
Speaker 1:Right? So it's written to be something that, you know, someone who is a hardcore, hardcore prepper, they'll still learn from it, but they've got encyclopedias. They've got foxfire. You know I mean? They've got hardcore encyclopedias and and and stuff.
Speaker 1:So it's really written to be something to make it feel accessible. Right? So maybe someone who's really dedicated in preparedness, they might read it like this is a this is great, but this is a great gift. Right? So, like, you know, my mom, I've been trying to encourage her to do more.
Speaker 1:It's a book that's kinda rewritten. It's gonna hold people's hands and walk them through history, looking at, like, how easy it is, how fragile our supply chain is. It's helping to kind of educate people on why it's even important to live like this and how actually our grandparents, they didn't call it prepping. They called it living. Right?
Speaker 1:That's one of the one of the the themes to it. But it's framed from the perspective of Noah. And it's like, look at this guy, Noah, who spent, I think, was, like, a hundred years building an ark, mocked by his community. But because he he had faith, and he felt like there's this bigger plan for him that he was following. But, also, the idea is that, like, Noah didn't build an ark for his family to survive.
Speaker 1:Noah built an ark so that his family could help rebuild civilization on the other side of the flood. And and that's where I feel like that we are. It's not about surviving. It's about understanding that there's a greater purpose to why we're doing this. And I don't know what it is yet.
Speaker 1:I have a feeling, but it's like, I don't know what it looks like. But I I it's like I can have the mental picture of what it's starting to emerge. And so that's a big part of the book because it's merging that that higher perspective into the overall narrative of preparedness that it's actually not about survival. It's about a a moral responsibility as a as a head of a household or as as a pillar of your community. And so that's that's really what it is.
Speaker 1:It's just it's it's walking through historical, walking through the spiritual battle, the battle of good and evil, what's happening on on on this planet right now, the threat of AI, the threat of these fragile systems, the threat of being put into a situation where you only get your food if you have your your digital passport that shows you're you're up to date on your vaccinations. It's it's walking through the very real scenario that we're facing as humanity, but then taking people back into the the the purpose and walking through the own journey that we went through that preparedness should not be done out of fear. It should be done out of out of a responsibility and, I think, fundamentally, of a deep soul level desire to return back to tradition. And so that's the the framework the whole book is written on. So instead of it being an ebook, it's it's actually gonna be probably a 300 page printed book.
Speaker 1:So I'm actually I'm designing the book as well. You know, my my background is design. I'm laying it out, putting graphics, and it's gonna be a really easy book to read. It's not gonna be a dense text. But also so part of it, and this is what's emerged in the past couple of months, that we real you know, we realized that the book is one part, but actually, again, the lesson I was talking about earlier, going from the survival preparedness to the community aspect of it.
Speaker 1:So simultaneously, we're actually we're we're building the Prep Like Noah community. And so that's gonna be that's actually I think that's actually the bigger thing. Like, the book is part of it. I think the community is is the bigger thing. And so we're the idea with that is that we wanna build a a digital place for people to meet where they can then form offline relationships.
Speaker 1:Right? Because, that's as much as I hate technology, it's like, well, you can still use technology to listen to your Bards FM podcast. Right? Or to, you know, find your friend on Facebook or in your Telegram group that, knows how to, you know, take care of a chicken that has the egg that has issues coming out. Right?
Speaker 1:So as part of the the book, we're is we're building the community, and the idea of the community is that we wanna have an online place that people have access to a huge library. So I wanna slowly build out, like, a massive library of content, how to tutorials for water purification, you know, how to, you know, preserve food, how to freeze dry meat, how to install solar. Right? So we wanna build up a massive library, but also then have, you know, probably weekly live q and a's. So, you bring in experts every week that will come in and and do live Q and As.
Speaker 1:Like, you know, Billy Bond. I'm sure if you know Billy Bond. He's he's got Perma Pastures Farm. Amazing, amazing guy, but he's an expert in permaculture, and, pigs and everything. So bring him on.
Speaker 1:So hey. This week, we're gonna do a live q and a with, Billy Bond, right, on permaculture. So that but also, I think one of the keys, though, is we wanna build it in a way that everyone's profile shows what they're an expert at. And then you can also then go in, and you can find your region, and you can find your chapter. So say you go in and you find so say you're in Ohio.
Speaker 1:Right? You say, oh, okay. I'm gonna join the Ohio chapter. But then there's actually there's, like, the say that that, you know, Ohio is divided in, say, five sections. Then the Ohio Northwest chapter of the prep like Noah community, but then we wanna encourage people to then have chapter heads that are actually holding local community events.
Speaker 1:So they maybe we'll do, like, an annual meetup, like, annual kind of, like, everyone prep like Noah community meetup, that everyone can kinda come in. And maybe it's like a three day weekend type thing where we have guest speakers coming in and everything. But one of the keys, though, is just allowing people to kind of meet those those people in their local area that align with them. But also, we wanna have it so that on every person's profile, you can see what their expert what what their expertise is. Right?
Speaker 1:And so if if someone, like a friend that is an expert in solar, I kinda want him to join in. So way, people say, hey. This guy's a solar expert. And so that way, there's there's a forum aspect to it. So if someone's having an issue with solar, they can find this person that can answer their questions.
Speaker 1:And maybe they say, look, you know, offline, maybe hey. How about I'll give you, you know, you know, 200 rounds of 556 for you to come spend a day and help me with my solar setup. Right? We wanna encourage that as part of it. So and that that's I feel like that that's becoming actually the bigger the bigger project is building this online community.
Speaker 2:So what's the projection for when you're released? Do you have one?
Speaker 1:So we actually so the the first step is so initially, we're thinking, okay. Let's build the whole thing and then invite people into it. But then the what we realized is, like, no. Let's actually get the community to help build the community. Right?
Speaker 1:So what we've done is actually, just on our show last week, at the very end of it, I put a little message out there saying, Hey, look, we're looking for what we're calling our community pillars. Right? So, the people that want to come in at the very beginning and join, like I would say, a weekly call where we're asking because that's also what I realized with the community is I don't know everything. I know so little, but we want to invite people in that will actually help us think through, help build this. So, what we're doing right now is that I think we opened up I think we opened up 75 spots.
Speaker 1:It might expand to say, you know, a couple 100 of people that want to become community the community pillars. People that are passionate about it, and they want to come in and help establish the community, come in and help, you know, have a meeting with me and some of the other community pillars where we're saying, Okay, hey, what are some of the core functions we need? Because maybe someone says, Hey, you know would be really helpful is if you could include this feature. It's like, Oh, I didn't even think about that. Maybe, you know, we wanna have a map where you click on your region.
Speaker 1:You can can see where everyone's at potentially. Right? Or maybe there's a, you know, whatever it is. So so that's we're already opening up. I I made the announcement.
Speaker 1:I think we probably had, you know, 30 emails come in so far. We still have an email address. It's community@preplikenoah.com. So if anyone wants to kinda come in as one of the pillars, and they wanna help us kinda launch it, then we're saying, look, just shoot us an email, introduce yourself, and let us know what your what your specialties are so we can start to kinda build out that initial core. We call them the pillars.
Speaker 1:So even with your listeners, if any of them wanna come and and join it, and it's so what how we're doing it is what I'll tell you. I'll finish that. They can just email community@preplikeNoah.com. That's it. So community@preplikeNoah.
Speaker 1:Now long term, we we're thinking about, okay, how do we how do we structure it? Do we do it as, a big free community, or is it something that has a paywall? And what I've decided I wanna do is make it so that it's pay what you want. So, if someone wants to join and say they're really tight, if they wanna pay a dollar a month to be part of it, they can. Right?
Speaker 1:So, it's kind of like there's no It's not gonna be something where it's like, oh, it's another $20 a month charge. But the reason being is that we want people that are serious about it, which, know, it's a buck a month at a minimum. Right? But also what that does is it prevents all the AI bots coming in. It prevents all the other things coming in.
Speaker 1:Because when you open up just a free thing, unfortunately, you'll get so many bots and so many AI coming in. So but also, that way, we can start to develop it, so we have, some income to kinda build it to host events and everything. So But for the What we're doing is anybody who comes at the pillar level, which is free, lifetime membership for them, they get access to it because they're helping us build it. We really appreciate that. Then once we launch it, which it might be so like I said, the community, the pillars, we're already doing things.
Speaker 1:We're already starting. We're sending emails out, you know, getting them signed up, to kind of start the initial process of brainstorming and coming together. But then the actual community community itself in terms of launching it properly publicly, it it might be three to six months or so. Depends on, how quickly we can get things done. But that's the idea, though, is it's gonna be a place that, you know, people are very serious.
Speaker 1:They're dedicated. But, like, fundamentally, though, there's mission of allowing people to gain access to other people. That's something that I hear a lot too whenever I do, like, know, Bards Fest or go to different events or I talk to people. Oftentimes, I'll hear them say, I feel so alone. Right?
Speaker 1:And I know that you've done a great job building your, your Bard's nation. You've done a great job building your community. I think that your listeners are very lucky to have that. I think for a lot of people, though, they don't they don't know how to find people. They're they're in an ocean of of this.
Speaker 1:It's only them. Their family doesn't prepare. They can't find people, you know, locally. So I think the idea is part of it is to really help build out these chapters and build out this this big movement of people that are all really, you know, the most were ideologically aligned with stewardship and a lot of things that you talk so much about. So that's that's the plan with the community.
Speaker 2:I think it's totally awesome. Something we're working on and just you might add to what you're doing. I mean and you're welcome. I wouldn't like to get you involved in kind of one of the next steps we're doing.
Speaker 1:I'd love to. Whatever it is, I'd love to.
Speaker 2:It's all like, okay. Here we go. We're actually it'll probably launch this is part of the re with the website remake right now, And we're getting ready that I don't know if it's gonna be December or if it's gonna be January, but we're gonna be putting out a quarterly printed journal. And I'm in the in reverse of the normal release so that it's gonna be require an address so that you actually get it. It'll be printed and mailed to you.
Speaker 2:And it will be the delay will be the digital component. So usually you get the digital first. I'm gonna reverse it. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2:And what I'm I'm really trying to gear up here and why I'm I'm encouraging you to, you know, wanna I I mean, in fact, I wanna do more than that because I wanna have you write or I wanna do a we'll talk about what that looks like. But we're gonna have feature writers and I would like to have you contribute and and do a like a feature piece on Prep Like Noah and we can do a whole issue. But my my point of this is that, by getting addresses and it's been well received by the community and we're we're just beginning or we're getting ready to put all that together. We are creating an ability to step outside of the dedication on the web. We're going to probably some sort of central, as we know, central digital ID and the Zero Trust Network stuff.
Speaker 2:And that's really my red line because I'm just like, I I can't go down that way. And so what I'm trying to prep the ground for for ourselves, and we've talked about this for about a year, but it's finally coming together, is how do we stay connected in a place when I don't wanna connect through digital anymore? And we kinda go back to on the express, so to speak, metaphorically speaking. And with that, there's one of those things that I'm committed to is if we start doing that, if we get to that place, I can report record podcasts and put them on a USB stick and send them so we can have a connection by by story and a connection by written. And of course the writing piece is important because we're back to touching as part of that, you know, full ecosystem of learning.
Speaker 2:We're touching, we're turning pages. So anyway, that's that's the project we're heading on and we're really trying to support the pillars of county by county and other events. And I think it would be a great as we go forward and I'll talk to you to more about this offline, I think it's a great opportunity to bring some of what you're doing and take advantage of this and get to where you have an expanded reach and a connectivity source that's not just dependent on the web. That's my thoughts.
Speaker 1:I I love the idea of that. I mean, I worked in in newsprint for Right. Probably, what, ten or twelve years. I mean, I was, I've, you know, redesigned magazines. I, you know, did newspaper redesigns.
Speaker 1:I I was the per you know, visiting the printing press every week, smelling the fresh ink. I'm I'm a big believer in in print. And this is that time you know, this is back in, you know, 2008. I started working at the Epoch Times. And this is that time that everyone was going digital.
Speaker 1:Like, no one wanted to to touch a physical newspaper. Right? Yep. But, actually, now I I I subscribe, and I I love I I don't make enough time for it, but I love sometimes being able to sit down and just unfold the big newspaper and read the articles. Right?
Speaker 1:And with no screen involved. And, yeah, I I think that that's absolutely fantastic. And I I was thinking of some ideas like that with the Prep Like Miller community as well. Maybe there's some ways that we can, combine our efforts on that.
Speaker 2:Right? Absolutely. No. I I think we need to I that's part of again, that's community. We're, you know, we're bringing communities together.
Speaker 2:A 100% agree. And we'll talk more about that as we get a little closer. The our website redo is happening now concurrently, and it will be over the next it just depends on how long, probably forty five days or so. And then we're kinda doing the relaunch. And with that, it's, is a big part of this is prepping for that next piece, which is the the print.
Speaker 2:You know, it's and I think that as you're doing it's interesting because I've got about three books penned out. And I'm smiling as you're you're telling the story of building your community and that's essentially like what's the pre step to the book. Right? You know, and that is from us here. We we built out in our website, we already have, which again, I'm happy to share that information and to help you, but we've already built a community social media site on our website.
Speaker 2:And that was quite an effort. And, as we go down the road, happy to share what knowledge I can with you to avoid ridiculous costs. You know, this is, oh, man. I'm telling anyone to get into that, but anyway but we ended up with just a a really cool community site that's kind of a hybrid between Facebook and and Telegram, And we're going to reintroduce that, obviously. And what it allows for is building intentional communities.
Speaker 2:That's kind of the whole piece. I think what you're talking about is intentional communities. It's not just I'm I'm really wanting that my focus and everything we're doing and kind of reshaping is getting away from this this just anything, post anything, common anything idea, and and just creating environments where we're intentionally having discussions. And with intentional discussions, we have beautiful change. And, I sound like Trump.
Speaker 2:Beautiful, beautiful. Not trying to do that, but I'm saying we have real change that happens because we're in discussions. We're not just, you know, slamming whenever we want on the web, saying whenever we want. It's there's a design of why you're there. So there's there's within each group, there's boundaries which have to be one of the coolest, I'm gonna there's a group I just follow.
Speaker 2:It's a it's a group on just raising chickens on telegram and it's just constantly all they talk about is every possible thing under the sun of chickens.
Speaker 1:It Make Chickens Great Again?
Speaker 2:Yes. Is. Yeah. That's it.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I'm in that.
Speaker 2:Okay. So that there so there it is. I mean, that's that's an intentional community, a great example of an intentional community. In fact, one day I accidentally sent, I was moving quick and moving something to my saves in telegram when I accidentally threw something in there. They're like, why did you put this in there?
Speaker 2:I'm like, sorry. You know, and I'm glad they called me out on it because it was I didn't even know I'd done it, but that's the point is keeping things focused on these communities is a is a something I feel very strongly about as we build these things to be intentional about what we're trying to do and not just like everybody else. Like, I'm just gonna open up the comment section so you can smear and post whatever you want out here. That's that's absolute we've got to get past that. We've got to start moving towards a purpose and an intent of what we're trying to achieve, in my opinion.
Speaker 1:I couldn't agree more. And that's the idea with starting with these, what we call the the community pillars. Right? The people that want to come in that have, you know, a long term vested interest in helping moderate, helping to, you know, become part of the community. And it's why it's not something that it's not me building some community for everybody else.
Speaker 1:It's actually everyone else building a community together. And that's why we're going about it this way and why we're, you know, starting. It's amazing, actually. I just mentioned it just briefly on on on end of the UNI's interview, which is already it's almost an hour and forty minute interview for the people that made it to the very end. It's congratulations.
Speaker 1:But it's like, I've gotten the most amazing emails so far. People emailing me. It's like, Seth, I love the idea of this. You know, I'm a retired ER doctor that I've been living off grid for the past twenty years, and we've done this, right? People emailing me saying, Oh, I'm a You have these amazing people that like, how I love to be able to contribute.
Speaker 1:Like, that's the idea of it. And, you know, I like because I played all the ideas. Like, okay. It should be something that is just free and open to everybody, or should I limit and say that's why I came up with the idea of, like, what? Just make it pay what you want.
Speaker 1:It's like, if you can only afford a dollar a month, that's fine. Right? But it's I think that that already starts to limit.
Speaker 2:It does.
Speaker 1:Because what you don't wanna have happen is a bunch of anonymous accounts that are coming in there and is just stirring. Like, you look at my Rumble comments or, you know, your Rumble comments or whatever, and it's, like, you know, people say the most rotten things on there. So that's the idea is that we wanna make it so that there's some level of requirement to come in that you're serious. You're a real human being. And and it's gonna be there's gonna be very strict rules, like civility.
Speaker 1:Like, we're we're I'm working right now on the mission and vision for the book and the community and and everything, but civility is gonna be really important. You know, we're we're civil with each other. If people are are trolls, whatever, they're gonna get kicked out. Doesn't matter who they are, because we wanna build that kind of place. But ultimately, it's funny how you're it's like with the the chicken or the egg.
Speaker 1:Right? Because I think the the really, the idea is I think, who knows, maybe in three years, we have no Internet anymore. Like, I have no idea. Right? But the idea is that what the most important function of it is building these offline connections.
Speaker 1:And that's why the chapter is gonna be really, really important. Agree. You know, finding people that are chapter heads, they're organizing their areas, and they're people together. That's gonna be such a critical point of the entire thing. And also making it so that people have access to all the information, all the tutorials, and maybe we'll find some way of ax you know, giving them, you know, offline access.
Speaker 1:Hey. You can download this if you wanna download the library. Here's a way you can do it. But yeah, it's it's just funny how how in sync that we are in this journey.
Speaker 2:No. It is really. It is really amazing. And, you know, like you said, Epic Times Epic Times does a good job in a lot of that. They they really do.
Speaker 2:My parents love the Epic Times newspaper. It is like that is their they don't even take they take a local just to keep up with it like a Sunday, but their paper and it is up for renewal. My mom was like, are you paying for this? And I said, well, yeah, like, no, you're not. We're paying for it.
Speaker 2:I'm like, okay, we'll get in that discussion later. But anyway, they love the paper and it's it's really amazing to see. And one of the reasons they love it so much is the articles about applied things, whether it's recipes or gardening or health.
Speaker 1:Does Perdition.
Speaker 2:It does. It does a great job at it. So anyway, fantastic discussion today. Seth, give us a couple addresses where people can follow you. You mentioned your Prep Like Noah.
Speaker 2:I know you have Man in America. Where where can people link up with you?
Speaker 1:Yeah. Well, so first off, anyone that that is interested in becoming a pillar of the community, just email community@preplikeNoah.com. That's it. The prep like Noah dot com website, we haven't set up yet. So if if someone visits that, I'm not it might just be a redirect to, like, a promo or something like that.
Speaker 1:So that's not built yet. But in terms of people following the podcast, the Man in America podcast, which is where our recent interview was on, basically, any place that they that, know, except YouTube. I still have a YouTube channel, but only 10% goes on there. Actually, I I put our interview on YouTube. It never got canceled.
Speaker 1:So it's it's still up on there. So your voice yeah. It's amazing, actually, because I know your your voice probably has flags all over it.
Speaker 2:Oh, it's it's a rash.
Speaker 1:Dreamist. But really so Rumble's the main place. I I I wish, we were talking about before, I wish I would have gone the audio only. I I it I love audio only for a lot of reasons, but I do video because I think it allows you to reach a different crowd because they wanna watch. They wanna see who it is and and whatnot.
Speaker 1:So, so Rumble, they wanna watch video. But for podcast, you know, Podbean, Spotify, Apple Podcast, any place like that, they just go search for Man in America, and and they'll find the podcast on there. All all the all the Man in America content's free. There's no similar yeah. To you.
Speaker 1:It's like, okay. There's the occasional ad in there for something that's, you know, I like to use. But other than that, there's no paywall for men in America.
Speaker 2:Yeah. That's it. That's good. Well, we always close with a prayer. It's okay, I'll do a prayer.
Speaker 2:That's good.
Speaker 1:Oh, please do. I was looking forward to it.
Speaker 2:And, Father God, I just wanna thank you for this time. A just a great conversation with Seth. And just, again, it's just a reminder of how you just work with us and we end up walking very similar paths and it's just bringing hearts in alignment and just visions in alignment. It's just a very refreshing and blessing converse blessed conversation today. We just wanna pray over his vision of prepping a prep like Noah, which is, again, building intentional communities and really taking that spirit of getting back to the land and building community at its core and just pray a blessing over all that for all the success that he has and may that continue to build bridges both internal and external and to lift each other up to really realize that we're at such a critical time right now that we need each other in such a critical way that we need to find the ways and pathways through to find peace and love in our heart.
Speaker 2:In Christ Jesus' name we pray. Amen.
Speaker 1:Amen.
Speaker 2:Awesome conversation, man. Always enjoy it. You are welcome here anytime. And I I would like to. We mentioned this on the other show, but I really like to stay in touch and, you know, especially as you're going forward, maybe once a month or something, have you on if you're okay with that.
Speaker 1:I'd I'd love to. Yeah. Let's, we'll we'll get those connections set up offline and and, yeah, we we could just do on my show once a month. I'm on your show once once a month. Perfect.
Speaker 1:Just as a regular check-in. I'd I'd love it.
Speaker 2:That's awesome. Alright. Well, that's great. Well, have a blessed day, Seth. Thank you for your time and just it's just awesome.
Speaker 2:We'll talk soon.
Speaker 1:Thank you too, Scott.
Speaker 2:Alright. God bless. Well, Patriots, I'm with Seth Holthouse, man in America. Great guy. Interesting how over the years we've come to know each other and just a lot of respect for him and all that he's built.
Speaker 2:Do check out his programs. They're outstanding. He he does great interviews and he has great guests and just some really good programming all the way around. So with that, keep your head up and your eyes forward. Never bow to evil.
Speaker 2:Never relent. Always press into the fight. God is with us. He'll never forsake us. And in the end, God always wins.
Speaker 2:But we are here in this time, in this place for just such a time as this. We are at war. So walk boldly and fearlessly with Christ. Occupy the land. Expand the kingdom.
Speaker 2:Subdue the enemy. Mission forward. Patriots, I'll see you tomorrow morning for Bard's AM. Until then or until the next time. God bless.
Speaker 2:Good night. Thank you. And out for now.