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Welcome to the podcast. We call it TWICV. It is our effort to provide a fast-paced, entertaining, and alternative voice to the propaganda and hype flowing out of colleges in America today.
This week in College Viability is a proud affilate of The EdUP Experience podcast network.
Gary (00:02.99)
It's April 22nd, 2024. Hi, it's Gary Stocker back with another news and commentary podcast episode of this week in college viability. And where are we headed today? The Higher Learning Commission says we are not a hospice. Stay tuned for details on that. And what happens to faculty, staff, students and the community when a college closes? This is a question from one of my listeners.
And the Boston Globe must be reading and listening to my content. They talk about the right way to close a college. And Webster Universities, one of the frequent performers on this week, Webster University auditors have concerns about the university's ability to continue as something called a going concern. I'll have more on that. And finally, adding college football is not the enrollment boosting panacea that many college presidents have hoped for.
these stories and much, much more. But first, as always, layoffs, cutbacks and closures. No closures this week. Stay tuned for new closures in the coming weeks. There will be some. But the University of St. Thomas in Minnesota is to cut 26 staff positions and leave 30 open, I think, staff positions unfilled. And they make sure to announce that no academic programs or faculty positions were among the announced cuts. And as always, I'll include the link to the story in the show notes.
And this is kind of the Iowa Wesleyan model. The enrollment is up at the University of St. Thomas, but the unfunded institutional grants, you and I know those as loans or merit aid or many just plain old scholarships. They increased $43 million. That's $43 million. 292 % from 2015 to 2022. Don't tell anybody they're giving away the store.
at the University of St. Thomas just to get folks to enroll and they're still not making it. And let me add this, you know I always talk about graduation rates. In 2022, the four year graduation rate at St. Thomas, University of St. Thomas in Minnesota was 34%. The six year undergraduate graduation rate was 43%. That's not a college where you can't graduate your students. That's not even a coin toss college.
Gary (02:23.118)
That's more of a tuition collection enterprise. If you can't graduate student, you're not a college. Maybe the folks at the University of St. Thomas should try graduating at least enough students to be classified as a coin toss college. And trust me, when the admin, when the leadership of St. Thomas comes out later, whenever that is, and announces cuts in programs and faculty, the protests and no confidence votes will come.
flying. And if you're a faculty at St. Thomas, if you want to get ahead of the curve, check out the Private College Viability faculty and staff version of the College Viability app. I'll leave a link in the show notes. You can review nine IPEDS reports about your college and almost 1 ,300 other private colleges from 2015 to 2022. You can compare St. Thomas to regional or national competitors. Interesting. Page two.
Financial Consultant tells the folks at the University of Wisconsin -Green Bay to act with urgency. This is from Danielle DeClos at the Green Bay Press Gazette. Now, what's interesting about this is that the president of the University of Wisconsin -Green Bay, in his note says, well, the auditors or the consultants, I guess is better, the consultant says, we have to act with urgency, but no, he went on to say we really have to act with urgency. All right.
I think that's my, that's my, my Tevye response on the other hand. And then on the other hand, just a bad response, just a bad response from the leadership at the university of Wisconsin, green Bay. And then on to the higher learning commission. And this is a story by Ben Ungelsby at higher education diet. It was on April 18th and the headline reads, we are not hospice. That's in quotes, the race to get faster in predicting college shutdowns.
And the subheading reads, the Higher Learning Commission is based out of Chicago. They have about a thousand or so colleges in their purview. The Higher Learning Commission has been studying institutional closures to understand the signs of distress. Officials with the accreditor said at its annual conference, that was a week or so ago. So in the category of day, late and many dollars short, the Higher Learning Commission has announced they are not a hospice. All right. Well, I, I.
Gary (04:50.382)
I don't know that the metaphor is particularly pleasant, but clearly they have a good wordsmith at the Higher Learning Commission. HLC apparently now sees its role as a college viability judge and jury. And they've had decades to prepare for a reasonably obvious college closure trend. And now all of a sudden they want to be an education mortician of source. I just thought I'd stick with their analogy.
That's not their role. Their historical role is that of iDotters and T -Crossers in an alleged effort to ensure a quality education for college students. Nothing wrong with the concept, but it really, it should be mentioned here back to graduation rates that most colleges in this country do not graduate even 50 % of their students in four years. Sarcasm alert.
If you can't graduate even 50 percent of your students in four years, nice job, HLC and the other five or six accrediting agencies. And now they want to predict college closures. Let's bring in Charlie Brown here, and Charlie Brown's quote is good grief. And again, the show notes will include a link to this story. Sam is a listener to the podcast. He dropped me a note and said, Gary, what happens to all the folks who are being let go after a college closes?
and it impacts faculty, students, faculty, staff, the community and lots. And there's a good book that talks about that, Requiem for a College. I've mentioned it many times. Jonathan Nichols wrote this book about the 2017 closure of St. Joseph's College in Rensselaer, Indiana. The book was just out in 2022. If you haven't read it yet and you're involved in higher education and you're concerned in particular about your college's viability or the cutbacks they're making,
Check out Requiem for a College at Amazon. You're reading your future. John Nichols does a fabulous job, and I'll spare the details this time because I've shared that many times in previous podcasts. So here's my response, and it's legitimate for sure, and it's sad for sure. It's very sad for sure. But faculty and staff, let's look at this and the community. Let's look at this in the context of the bigger economic picture.
Gary (07:16.942)
It has happened in other industries, layoffs and cutbacks, closures going out of business, and it's just now happening in higher education. These sad events have hit individuals and families and communities throughout the country for decades. And if you're a faculty, like I just mentioned previously, I have a dedicated version of the app just for faculty and staff, one for private colleges, one for public colleges. You can use it to compare your current colleges.
or other colleges that you may be considering for a current move. I'll put the link in the show notes as always. Page three. Thank you, Boston Globe for reading my stuff. The headline reads, with the college age population shrinking, some schools won't survive, duh. But they go on to add there's a right way for them to close. And this subheading reads, it's almost inevitable that some New England colleges will close. Thanks for joining the party. That was my comment, not theirs.
but there are ways to minimize disruption. And again, thanks Boston Globe for listening and reading to my stuff. And here's what they said, it's not bad. The projected fall in college enrollment means there are simply too few American students for US colleges to enroll. All right, daily, and I understand. Colleges, it continues, colleges should do what they can to win the game of institutional musical chairs. I've not heard that one before. Institutional musical chairs that will play out over the next few years.
They go on, but some of them are bound to lose. Yes. As the higher education landscape changes, closure and mergers need not be dirty words. And they conclude with as long as they are done well. Now I'll add that Massachusetts appears to be ahead, and Boston of course is in Massachusetts, Massachusetts appears to be ahead of all the other states in preparing for the coming college closures. The globe's a little bit late on their story, but that's not a big deal.
And then 2018 Mount Ida in Massachusetts was the poster child of how not to close a college. They announced closure in April and closed in May of that year. And Massachusetts reacted, it was a year or two or three later, they enacted legislation that lets the state monitor the financial health of private colleges in the state. And they have given a couple of heads ups of colleges that are in trouble, a few and not even a few.
Gary (09:44.494)
A handful of other states are looking at similar legislation. But again, thanks to the globe for reading my stuff. I'm glad to provide you leads any time that you want. Let's move on. Webster University, a frequent podcast partner. Webster University's deficit ballooned in fiscal 2023, largest tax filing shows. And this was a story in the St. Louis Business Journal. That's going to be behind a paywall written by Jacob Kern, K -I -R -N on April 16th.
And why is it, you might be asking, why do I pick on, why do I regularly bring up colleges like Webster and Birmingham Southern and Northland College and St. Norbert and others? Well, each in my mind, each apparently go out of their way to earn a mention on this week in college viability. And here's my first concern before we get into the meat of the issues with Webster University. Why is it that the board chair at Webster, his name is Summitt, S -U -M -I -T, Verma,
V .E .R .M .A. Not Julian Schuster, the president. He's always the one interacting with the local and regional media. What kind of ego are we dealing with here? He has yet, yet over the course of almost a year, he has yet to answer questions live. He only responds via written statement. I guess the rhetorical question I can ask is what kind of confidence should the Western, the Webster,
university community have in an organization that won't directly answer questions. Now, Verma, I'm sorry, his first name is just Mr. Verma. Excuse me. Mr. Verma said that great days are ahead for Webster. All right. Management by PR. We are seeing positive trends, he says, here at a time when higher educational institutions across the nation are challenged. All right. Say whatever you want. But I have data. And what is a positive trend in Mr. Verma's mind?
I normally would go to the debt on this. I'm not going to do that this time because I've done it before on Webster. And even if there is a legitimate one or two year positive blip, and I have my doubts, even if it exists, even if it exists, it's not nearly as important as the awful financial enrollment and graduation rates that Webster University shows from 2015 to 2022. But that's just the windup.
Gary (12:09.454)
because I want to introduce a potentially, I think, a potentially explosive update on Webster. For regular listeners, you know that I am a data and finance nerd. There's no cure for that. So you won't fall out of your chairs when I tell you I routinely read college financial statements. A few weeks ago, I opened the 2022 -2023 Webster University financial statement.
And in the course of routine, I do this few times a week, I always do a control find, search for the phrase going concern. I do that because it's an accounting term that says a college may be in trouble. I'll talk more about that in a minute. And usually in almost all cases, there's two routine references. One is says the accounting firm has responsibility to address the college as a going concern and the management has a responsibility to respond. That's almost all what I see.
Last time I saw any in the reference beyond that was a college called Quincy University in Illinois. I think it was in 2021, something like that. Normally it's two Webster University in the 2022 -2023 audited financial statement had 17 references about going concern. One seven, 17 references. Now let's define our terms. Going concern is accountant speak. For those of us that aren't accountants,
and want to follow this, going concerned is equivalent to staying in business. Accountants assume that any business they audit is going to continue to be a going concern, continue to stay in business. That's their default assumption. Note 24, for those of you that want to go there, I'll tell you how in a second. Note 24 in the 2022 -2023 Webster University financial statement is a serious, serious couple of paragraphs on the accountant's perception.
analysis, interpretation that Webster might not be able to continue being a going concern, read that stay in business. Now, if you want to follow, I use a federal audit clearinghouse. You can Google for that, search for that and find that, find the financial statement. I've got a YouTube video that shows how to do that as well. Now, the story, the regional media has not reported on this yet. I don't know if they will. It might be.
Gary (14:28.942)
too much inside baseball for their readership. That's their decision, of course. And will Webster University close? I still doubt it. They've got a couple thousand enrollment, more than that. But man, the university leadership appears to be doing everything they can to prove me wrong. If this goes down badly, this will be a case study of case studies on how not to run a college. Page four.
Gary (15:01.742)
Waiting too long can doom a college merger, experts says. And this is from Higher Education Dive. I don't have the author for the reporter on this, my apologies. Waiting too long can doom a college merger, experts say. The best window for consolidation is usually gone by the time colleges are deeply distressed. Panelists at the Higher Learning Commission's conference, I talked about that earlier, said a couple of weeks ago.
Now the quotes here, most of the story quotes come from Dr. Ricardo Aziz. And he has a book coming out later this year about mergers and acquisitions in higher education. He is, if there's one single guru on higher education, mergers and acquisitions is Ricardo Aziz. And this story is really, again, the link will be in the show notes. This story is not for those many private colleges for whom the closure die is already cast.
It's really a story for those looking beyond this current closure period to the next closure period. And I'm speculating, educated speculation on my part, it's about three to five years out. These colleges really need to think about scaling, scaling, scaling, just like every other industry that I've talked about before. It's going to hit higher education. It's going to hit higher education. And for those colleges, especially the private ones, but even the public ones to a certain degree,
I encourage you to look out five to 10 years. Don't exclusively paint speculative, rosy pictures about the impact you might have on new majors and new facilities and new students. Those, first of all, those programmatic enrollment changes are problematic at best. Think about every other industry in this country. I've shared just a moment ago and many times before.
All of them I can think of have engaged in significant consolidations over the past many years, many decades. And it's only logical that higher education will ultimately head down that merger and consolidation road. Engage in the outlook, don't engage in the outlook. You do so at your own risk. At least prepare for the possibility. Then an interesting note, and this is the last two stories for today. The incredible shrinking California State University.
Gary (17:26.83)
But it's the headline about decreasing enrollment stuff. But California state universities have noticed steadily declining enrollment rates and are implementing measures to address the phenomenon. OK, who isn't? And this is written by Zach Zavala at the Golden State Express. I think it was last week. And here's the essence of this concern. Both public and private colleges, as they engage in cutbacks and layoffs, and we talk about that every week.
are cutting, as part of that process, are cutting back on the number of sections offered on any individual course or class. And so so many classes, sections, if you will, are being decimated by budget cuts that students are reporting. There's a student quoted in the story. I'm not going to use the name of students ever, maybe first names on occasion. The student reference found it increasingly difficult to find clashes in preparation for the current term. And resulting in that...
It doesn't, it conflicts, it conflicts with her schedule, her work schedule. And so she's going to have to, I said she, well, she's going to have to take extra time to get one of the major required classes. There was only one apparently, the class she's choosing from. So here's, here's what's going on. So very few public colleges will close. I've said that before, I'm sure I'll say it again. Many privates will continue to close. However,
many, if not most, both public and private are cutting back. So instead, for example, of three to five upper level accounting courses, I'm making that part up, or finance courses or biology courses, instead of three or five upper level courses, they may be only offering one or two just to lower their labor costs. So as a result, what appears to be happening, one of the many reasons students are having to stay longer and delay the time,
when they can start earning post -degree income is I have to wait for sections.
Gary (19:25.198)
to open up that fit their schedule, especially if they're not full -time students. Now there's a substantial cost to that, a little bit of it's the cost of the tuition, it's substantial but not a big deal. But if you have to wait an additional year or so, I've done some basic calculations on this and it's about $50 ,000 in combination of increased costs, but more importantly, delaying earning that post -degree income.
And that's a substantial opportunity cost because the college isn't offering enough sections for students to finish their degree. We're out of finally we're out of the college football season and Sportacus Daniel Labitte on April 19th wrote college football unlikely to boost campus enrollment per study. I'll quote his quote from his story, Daniel Labitte.
A study published this month in the academic journal Research in Higher Education, based on a data and analysis at the University of Georgia, concluded that adding a football team has not proven to give a university a leg up in attracting new students and their dollars. He goes on to say, football is not a pigskin panacea. Nice work with the alliteration. Football is not a pigskin panacea for colleges and universities.
It adds that the health risks in football for competing in that sport are real and may well increase for these colleges. And interestingly, that he goes on to add, these will create significant moral questions for college leaders if they anticipate starting teams or resuming competition in the face of declining enrollments. And what they're saying here is our colleges, this is not good, our colleges,
not significantly taking into account the health risks of a sport like football for students as they pursue additional students and their tuition revenue. I'm trying to be nice here. And I did, this is posted on LinkedIn, I think, and I added a comment in LinkedIn asking if the researcher could do a project on the net revenue, the net revenue impact of adding football in other sports. I've had college presidents tell me that all sports are net revenue losers except for the biggest of big.
Gary (21:48.974)
And so let's look at it this way. When you're looking at the financial piece of netting revenue, fixed costs for classes are paid by non -athletes. Envision English 101, Math 101, Biology 101. It's the students that pay tuition, discounted tuition, pay the fixed costs. And if I'm a college financial person, I'm thinking, you know, any tuition paid by athletes drops mostly straight to the net, straight to the bottom line on the revenue side. But...
If you add in the costs from a department of football, which they all are, I don't know if they categorize in that way, I really worry that there's a net loss. So even adding a football team, even though this is a daddy suggests, it doesn't have any long -term impact on enrollment. Even adding a football team, I think is a net loser on the revenue side. It's just another case of college leaders managing by public relations, you know, something with the fact of, look, I added a football team to save our college and it's probably not.
going to be a factor. So let's wrap this up. The stories and commentary this week included one on football we just did on financial statements and our crediting agency that doesn't want to be a college hospice. But I want to close with a story about an AI exercise I did this past weekend. I asked one of the AI tool that I use for a 300 word article on how the FAFSA delays could create a catastrophic college closure event this fall, the fall of 2024.
My college counterpoint podcast partner, Joseph Pilarito, used AI to generate a rebuttal piece. The catastrophic closure piece was scary. I'm not even going to post it. The rebuttal piece that Joseph did was sound, although in my mind, a little short sighted on perspective. And folks, it's one thing for me to do as I do, which is to regularly engage in educated and informed speculation.
on the future of higher education and college closures. I do it. I will continue to do it. But if you haven't pondered the implications of the FAFSA mess in a large scale scenario, trust me, it's a valuable exercise. Even if the catastrophic scenarios don't come to pass, it is better to have pondered responses in advance than engage in frenetic scrambling as it happens.
Gary (24:15.374)
Let's call it a wrap for the April 22nd podcast episode of This Week in College Viability. My name is Gary Stocker. Hey, let's do it again next Monday.